 Thank you, Jo. Thank you everyone for coming to join me in this park because just before we started, Jo was asking me that it's pretty neat now to be a messenger of peace to get to deliver this message as a full-time job, so to speak. It's really nice. I said I almost feel like that, a full-time messenger or a full-time channel, but the only difference I guess is all for me. So that actually makes it very simple. I just want to focus on that whatever is going on that is for an experience that I can tap into now. It's not like anything that I strive for for the future or anything that I need other people to get or to bring along. So it's constantly becoming an invitation in this moment and everybody can join me. And that's really the purpose of today as well. And I have David Hoffmeister join me again. Thank you so much. It's great. It's great to be here. Yeah. And I know this is all for an experience just for us to be together like this. This is it. Yeah, it's beautiful. Beautiful park and sugar house and blankets laid out, chairs, jerry's all relaxed with their feet propped up. A little creek flowing gently by us. It's a beautiful mountain. Yeah, mountains behind us. Amazing. Yeah. That's Jessica coming. Oh, another recent Salt Lake City resident. Jessica Rary, let's have a hand. Here she comes. It's interesting too. When we're just sitting here too, it's like I just had this thought that dropped in my mind from the course of miracles where Jesus is saying that, you know, Christ is an idea in the mind of God. And he's saying that you have great difficulty. It's very challenging to think of yourself as an idea as the whole part of separation and the whole part of the seeming fall from grace or the idea of falling asleep in it and taking on a dream is that it's really thinking in terms of concretes and specific. Even a body seems to be very concrete and specific. It seems not like an idea at all. We were never told by our parents when we were growing up that we were an idea in the mind of God. That never came about. It was finish your spinach and eat your peas. And if you don't clean your plate, you get no dessert. But they weren't talking about that we were an idea in the mind of God. And I was just having a meditation this afternoon where I was thinking how wonderful to be told that, first of all, by Christ that I am an idea in the mind of God. And then furthermore to start to think of that this is a world of ideas. And that's something that we were never told either. That's the first time I heard that was in A Course in Miracles that this is a world of ideas. And then you go a little bit further that all of these ideas that we call time and space, they're all equal. I mean every single concept and every single thought that we think we think as far as this world is equally the same. Everything. Whether it's a snow cone or a world war, or whether it's intense rage or a little bit of irritation, or whether it's an ant or a tree or a mountain, they're all equally ideas. And that's really the realization it's going to take for us to come back to being an idea in the mind of God. First we have to deal with what's in front of us, in perception. And just to open your mind to that idea that everything is equally an idea, that this is a world of ideas. You really have to forgive spirituality to do that because spirituality, a lot of spiritual teachings will teach you there's thoughts and then there's the manifest world. That there's a difference between the thoughts that you think you think and the world that you think you see. And that it's there are invisible things and there are visible things. And that the visible things, you know, the images are very different from the invisible things. There's a big difference between the visible and the invisible. Like I could think, I could just throw out an idea or concept of a pink donkey. Okay, sounds like something out of more of an animation or something. What's that one where they have all the animals, Madagascar, all the different amazing animals. But okay, we'll show out the idea of a pink donkey. Now people can say, well, there really aren't pink donkeys. But if we open up to the idea that everything is equally an idea, then pink donkey is just the same as gray donkey or pink elephant or anything else. It's just a convincing, but it really can't be that hard to give yourself over to the way things actually are that everything is an idea. Nothing's really projected because projection is not an attribute of God, you know, God doesn't project. So if God doesn't project, it can't be real. So we have to let go of this idea that that somehow there are levels and there are degrees and gradations and that everything is more than a world of ideas. And I absolutely enjoy the experience of the world being a world of ideas because there's nothing to protect, there's nothing to defend. You don't have to stand up for something or protect something or deny something. It's just simply an awareness that this is a world of ideas. It's great. I mean, that's the message that we're sharing. And that's why there's no problems. If this is a world of ideas and they're all equally unreal, then how could there be a problem out of that? If that's the soup that you're dealing with, so to speak, then you don't have a problem. Is it practical? I think it's the most practical to start to see the world as a world of ideas. Walt Disney made up a lot of characters and a lot of things we call animation, talking animals and dancing animals and dancing broomsticks and all kinds of things, but it can be entertaining and it can even be more than entertaining can actually be peaceful if you just see that it's just a world of ideas. How could you have an argument if it's a world of ideas? It's when you think that some ideas are more important than others or you're identified with some of the ideas and not with others, then that's where the difficulty comes in. It's unthinkable. An idea can't think of itself as an idea. It's like that's why you can't think your way to reality or to truth. It is an effect, that it's not something that can perceive itself. It almost has to job. It's not something even when we come together, it's not really about getting or acquiring or gaining any understanding. It's actually about dropping any understanding so that what you were talking about can be experienced. That's my experience, I think. I was talking to a friend a few days ago just about this transfer of training idea, because that is what I see as practicality. To practice across the miracles and eventually transfer it to everything and every idea, every thought and have no exceptions. The experience of that in the end was I think I was asked particularly about you, how I see you. I remember my answer was it actually really took me, this kind of practice really took me beyond to see a person as a person being more right than others. It's actually really lifted up to to seeing the spirit behind it and the experience of it was that I said I always can't see because it almost feels like a clear lake. I feel like I always can't see the bottom, but as soon as I drop to where I thought was the bottom it was deeper and I keep dropping, keep dropping and it's always deeper and deeper than I thought. That's my experience living this way. I don't know how deep the rabbit hole is. It actually seems shallower than it actually is. It's almost like you can grasp, you can always grasp. There's a temptation even to the egos wanting to see that it's gonna get there soon and some kind of arrogance of I know what this is about and I can get there very soon, but it's the very opposite in the experience. It's actually this constant humbling experience and opening up and then realizing oh my god I thought this is it. It's still the floor keeps opening up and I keep dropping through the lake and do not know where the bottom is and just that that was my answer to a question of my experience with you is this constant humbling experience and to see a guide has walked through the practical steps and always think ah I know I know now I get it but then when I get there I was like oh my god that's the lake keeps getting deeper. Yeah it's nice. Yeah it's nice when somebody even asks like what's your opinion. The first time that happened it was like oh that's funny. It's a funny thought what's your opinion but then or even when somebody says share your thoughts and so forth and yeah I guess it gets to be it's just such an expansive experience and feeling that there may be something to speak or not and but we're all it seems like every talk we do we come back to that involuntary nature that there's nothing to figure out whether to speak or not to speak. Actions seem involuntary a friend of ours from Las Vegas contacted us and she was pondering this whole involuntary thing but you can just feel how relaxing it is to open up to just a couple ideas that I've shared. One is that everything is an idea equally an idea because you don't have to order them you don't have to arrange them you don't have to identify with them you don't have to to figure them out there's nothing to analyze if everything's equally an idea then it takes away all conflict and then the involuntary nature so there's nothing really to explain. You're in an experience you feel the connection you feel the joy but there's nothing that needs to be explained because there aren't persons that need to be explained to and in the end you're not a person that has to explain yourself it's that's ultimate freedom is is a state of acceptance where you see is beyond the personal entirely always has been it never was something there you don't have to justify actions you don't have to justify inactions. It's very freeing not to explain anything and justify anything actually because it's a state of guiltlessness if you don't if you're innocent then obviously there's nothing to justify one way or the other but this also means that that there's nothing to pursue because if this is just a world of ideas then and they're all equally the same thing it just talk about wiping everything out Joe played a song and everyone was laid out but that's really what forgiveness does it it's like it throws a blanket of peace over the whole world and says no there's nothing to get huff about as the Beatles said there's an ease with that everything all is well in forgiveness and and that's because there's nothing to pursue there's nothing to defend yeah we talked about you know swallow swallow the red pill have we swallowed the red pill yet like the matrix metaphor yeah you have taken it but it's in the mouth have you you know get it fully down there yet but you know when we yeah the temptation is to think if if we have done that it's almost like a again another thing to achieve you okay i'm gonna go for it but it's a total opposite really when we if we have swallow is that swallow is it that's a word if we have swallow swallow the the red pill it's really then you swap everything clean basically that's really what's going on in the mind you don't carry anything with you anymore from the past or achieve anything in the future and that is the opposite of what the mind is thinking it's like okay i'm gonna go for the end of the rabbit hole i'm going for it but it's no it's allowing yourself to drop allow yourself to be carried and you yourself quit that's like you leave everything you leave everything you leave you go with empty handed and allow yourself to to fall with the spirit every moment that's what it means yeah let's let me let's just review that scene from the matrix because he goes to visit morpheus and morpheus is wearing those sunglasses that are reflective and you can see neo in the sunglasses and you can see that that there's two two pills the red pill and the blue pill but before taking the pill into his mouth and taking the glass of water there's a glass of water there too to help the swallowing morpheus is the symbol of the holy spirit morpheus pauses and says remember it's a pause before he actually takes the red pill remember all i'm offering you is the truth so imagine that you go through this whole so-called spiritual journey and you think you read books and you listen to teachers and you go to seminars and workshops and you pray and you meditate you do all this stuff seemingly as a human being and then you get to one point where you've got to commit your your whole life over to the spirit without compromise unequivocally you've got to do it and that will say is taking the red pill but right before you do it the spirit says like in morpheus saying remember all i'm offering you is the truth i'm not saying this will make your life better in the world i'm not saying that it will make the world a better place i'm not saying it will make the world a happy place uh what i all i'm offering you is the truth and there's a pause there because in order to take the red pill you've got to decide for it and then when he actually does take the red pill he puts it in his mouth and he takes a drink of water and he swallows it then the thing the whole scene shifts very quickly where they they get move into another room away from the tall chairs and everything and remember that's the one where they start hooking things up to him so immediately as soon as he takes the red pill everything starts to be set in motion for a very different kind of experience and then you remember that's the scene where he's hooked up and then all his like this uh kind of a mercury this shiny gooey liquid starts to come all over his up his arms and he's cold so now he's gone into another room where it's just like mercury coming up and then it comes all the way up and it comes up all the way to the neck and then it comes all the way to the first or orifice that the mercury finds which is his mouth it starts to come up around the neck and it starts to go in and that's almost like a symbol of dissolving of the personal self because the mercury the shiny fluid mercury is like the spirit again the holy spirit is like water in some cases but this is like shiny mercury and then when it starts to go in it's like his whole personality the whole person just kind of implodes and that's when he drops down into the I call it the subconscious mind where he's all plugged in you know he's he's gone from the surface Neo or surface Neo to yeah mr. Anderson down into the unconscious mind and he's still undoing but that's I think that's really the point that you everyone has to come to where they're willing to let go of everything that they think they know about the world about themselves about survival about family about community about everything that's truly what leaving the world behind is it's actually you know last time we talked about seemingly leaving the tangible things and a job that is like the beginning if you believe you're compromising then that could be you know some something to opening up and as a starting of not compromising this inspiration and happiness anymore but in the end leaving the world behind is leaving everything like my drive to towards anything in the world you know every kind of past associations what I think I am and what I think I I know about relationships about friendships about career security health everything needs to be leave behind it's in the mind that's been left behind yeah yeah even something like loyalty I mean when I was being raised you know loyalty was a very important thing you know you you trust to have loyalty you keep the faith and so on and so forth and then but loyalty is still at the level of of interpersonal the way it's talked about in the world but in the end can one be loyal to peace of mind can can you be willing to when all the concepts are getting washed away instead even loyalty even personal loyalty and some of the things the noble things of the world those are starting to get rinsed as well you know you really have to let go of everything because everything that's aimed at persons is getting rinsed away even personal loyalty loyalty to a to a spouse to a teacher you know to a friend those things are the things that movies are made of you know and then in the end you know there's like a a disillusionment with all that and then it's just finally an experience that comes that that is completely unlike the human condition right it is very practical if we really you know talk about even the practicality is actually practical to leave everything you know behind and you know come to this blank slate every moment just be willing to to job that you know everything can be used for us to see where the hooks are and to see what has been brought to this to this moment from the past or try to achieve in the future you know it's actually not that hard to have these kind of realizations yeah yeah so i think it's you can see why it has no ambition in it because it's just so focused in the present there's not a shred of ambition to make something happen and that's also the relaxation with it it's like that the gateway is let you yes yes your no be no and then there comes a point when when yeah everything falls away even the yeses in the nose but but to trust that unwinding to reach that point of of serenity of acceptance just taking your moment by moment flow like you're saying going deeper down the rabbit hole however it feels just giving yourself fully over to that with no attempt to control anything or direct anything in the end linear time is the grievance that has to be forgiven it's not so much with persons that's just the trick to kind of keep the guilt in place but yeah and you can feel it when your mind just is letting go letting go more and more and more just sinking sinking deeper and deeper inward how many of us have seen that linear time is the grievance like you have seen it you have seen it that's great you can see linear time is a grievance it's not it's not even specifics between people let alone is the person in and of itself it's linear time yeah i love the line in the course beware of the temptation to perceive yourself unfairly treated imagine that you could see the world in a way in which you see that there's never been a mistreatment ever of course that would wipe out history but that you know that they're not only that they had been corrected but that there never was it reminds me of us we were just in sugarhouse was it a couple days ago we were guided to go see x-men and days of future past you know i had to laugh when i first saw that title because i used to talk about that for years the past past and the future past and they're both equally unreal but it's beautiful because there there's an awareness that grievance has to be released and they nobody knows how it's going to happen and when it finally comes down to the scene of the release it's it's i think it's more so not the mystique character dropping her weapon but it's more so that charles says i've always tried to control you he realizes he can't control mystique nor anyone else you know he's he's been a helper but but there's been an aspect of control there and when he says i've always tried to control her because there's somebody saying make her freeze her mind or you know as if he has the power in his mind to do something to her to save the day and he won't exercise that option he lets go he surrenders yeah i love that because she was trying it's a little like butterfly effect like in this realm like she was trying or they were trying different ways to stop her but they could try whatever they want it's still gonna play out like they could stop her but then something else would happen to to make it happen as well you know nothing could really eventually stop the war or the grievance or the the inevitable outcome except the forgiveness that's the only way that they completely dropped the whole seemingly impossible scenario there is when seemingly she for she chose to forgive but he saw his control of her and when that dropped and i love it because i we went to we have seen that movie many times we were just guided to to see that again and i noticed you actually drifted off a little bit during the movie and i did that too and when i woke up you woke up in turn to me that was a very scene you said this is the revelatory scene and i was like yeah and we were just went there for that very scene actually we paid our dollar fifty to go in there for big spenders we spent the dollar fifty for one scene and then we both are like and when the scene came i'm like it was so great but what was so great about that scene he gave up the control she dropped the gun and then the seeming future scenario just vanished so it's like a hypothetical destruction scene from the future that really it's not like it's the forgiveness stopped the scene or saved the day or stopped the bad ones or whatever all that like the typical things it just the whole scene was gone and never was you know and that to me that's what forgiveness is it's when you think of your life in linear terms and like if you'll somehow somehow make the right moves and do the right things and say the right things it's not really that it's just all hypotheticals and when you finally forgive you give up the control you come to the accept the atonement acceptance then you see that it never was so for all of you that have had trouble healing relationships it's the problem is you're trying to heal something that you're you think really happened that's the problem that's how deep it goes you know like jesus says in the course forgive your brother for what he did not do well the only way you can forgive your brother or sister for what they did not do is if it was just a figment of imagination did you notice when some of you came in the park today that that was in flowers that was what was written out imagine there now we're kind of coming into the park here to say okay what's how can we relax beyond even beyond imagine yeah that's it we've enjoyed the movies but now we're they're kind of running running out to everything's running out yeah this movie festival we're doing in september that better come to it because we made we might be going beyond movies soon you know as much as we've enjoyed them the spirits use of them yeah this is how deep it goes like but we start with the leaves and that's that's where the perception level is that i remember i kind of remember watch an interview or something the last few days this guy was saying that he he had this attraction to to this girl but he did something really embarrassing he i can't remember the details but he did something really embarrassing that i just unbearable to himself that he did that to the girl so he will and the girl wasn't aware of it completely so so he from that point on for years and years he just avoided seeing her and when the topic came up from friends and he will attack her but all of this attack and grievance and anger towards her she was not aware of it has nothing to do with her was all started from seemingly this this experience of he did something really embarrassing and he couldn't bear to remember that event so just like her existence was almost like a memory or a trigger of this this deeper grievance or this guilt that came up but that is at the the surface level you know that's where we can start to see even to forgive the other person that go of the other person because you can just get caught in how i don't like the other person and how you know that is just not the case at all and then when you go he's grievance he did something embarrassing that is not it either you know just but that is opening up to a possibility to go deeper eventually it will open up to nearer time that's that's what it really is about not an action that is embarrassing what come up as a guilt is not because of an action or because of anything it's all coming back but that's what really the process is about is that we we do not deny the the specific because that's a great entry point and to be used that to really drop deeper and if without forgiveness this dropping process will not be able to happen so the whole thing is to you know with every single specifics is to to say you know to jesus or spirit hold my hands so that i have the courage to drop further to see what is really underneath this that's the wind that's that's my favorite prayer is to you know have this picture that i'm holding jesus hand to come to a place that maybe at this point i i'm not even have the courage to see you know so it's not about even figure out a specifics but it's really about how can i let this specific go so i have the courage to drop deeper to what's really really really is the source of this grievance so every time i think about that i feel grateful for this process you know just knowing that the specifics in everyday life that we can see you know just just staying there can never really heal anything really yeah yeah it's beautiful just to be able to stop and and realize that's not it and then you don't put your attention into pursuing trying to solve the problem where there is no problem the wind got very still for us that's good but we have a live audience here anybody want to inquire about something with since we're on the mics we'll we'll repeat whatever you've got that you'd like to to share comment question inquiry jerry yeah jerry's asking if everything's an idea or all these ideas to be let go of i i think from the ego's perspective it looks like a let go from the spirit's perspective it's more of an integration like more of an acceptance of like oh these are all equally in my mind so it's not so much a let and go it's more of an embrace like it's a big embrace like oh these are all all ideas in my mind yeah yeah and that embrace we'll call that forgiveness that's that's still a concept too because in heaven there's nothing to forgive so even forgiveness must be a concept but it's like an all-embracing all-encompassing concept and how is that practical well i did it the show i think with francis very recently maybe a couple days ago and i've done some shows recently where i would say it doesn't matter to me what people believe anymore whether they believe in god or they don't believe in god you know that seems to be a pretty big distinction as the world would see it believers and unbelievers you know you know you want to be on the right fence there with that one believers or unbelievers but but i was seeing that really people are just ideas so all people are just concepts as well and they're equally concepts so there's not better people or worse people or right people or wrong people you know you really have to see that in the end in terms of the world right and wrong morality that's deep when you start to say oh those are those are a bunch of concepts as well but this embracing concept of forgiveness which sees that they're all the same to me that's where the peace of mind is so it doesn't have to be seen as a letting go because it could be like as a person what do i have to let go and and that's that's still the assumption that you're starting with being a person and you somehow got to let go of these concepts that are like whirling around in there but but in the end even letting go of the person seeing that's just another concept as well yeah i think yeah it's the embrace is from the ego perspective it can seem like a letting go because it thought it had in the first place from this from the higher perspective you can't really let go of what you never had and so it's more of an opening to the real world or the happy dream of just seeing that everything's an idea so it's not really a letting go it's more of an opening to an appreciation of what is in the sense that the Course tells us that the Holy Spirit answered the separation as soon as it happened simultaneously so we're really just accepting that correction it's not really an action thing it's not really that a person ever goes oh i've done it and even when we look at history and we say well Jesus did it now we've got to deal with the rest of us you know he says when i awoke you were with me kind of implying oh no when i accepted this embrace everybody was with me and and we're all home in this embrace so isn't that a relief you don't even have something to let go of you don't have to it gets easier and easier it's more of just seeing that you're just opening to an acceptance an acceptance that's why in the Course it says accept the sole responsibility of the miracle worker or the teacher of God is to accept the atonement for himself accept i like that it's it's already there it's not you don't have to come up with it you don't have to come up with it say is this good enough is this do i get back can i come back home you know it's you don't have to keep is it you don't have to come up with this process of of hoping that you've come up with something good enough you know yeah that's lesson 189 that simply do this be still and then it goes on lay aside all thoughts of what you are what God is hold on to nothing do not bring with you one thought the past is taught and or one belief you learned before from anything forget this world forget this course and come with open arms unto your God from the ego's perspective remember the course is is written for the ego or for the even more specifically for the mind that believes in the ego because that mind is going to have to make a choice for another way but it's got to come in egoic terms because when the mind believes in the ego everything it perceives including the book of course the miracles is perceived through that filter of separation it seems to be a separate book it seems to be a blue book with gold letters somebody just sent me a purple book with gold letters it's called a course of love so now i've got two books there in my room purple and blue gold but but still it's perceived through the filter as if there's separate books and separate words but ultimately i would say that's just practical for the mind that's waking up is to describe it from a letting go perspective you know it's the same thing we you know give up something for lent or you know in christian terms you have to give up things and mystics and saints had to give up things and we even talked about give up the world but i'm saying from a higher perspective it does dawn in your mind that it's more just an embrace or an integration because most of us know that integrating and wholeness sound good you may not know what how that happens or what that really is but integration and wholeness has a good ring good resonance to us and that's actually from the holy spirit's perspective everything's just coming whole because it's already whole it's just wholeness is coming into awareness integration is coming into awareness integrity is coming into awareness and that's more of a of a sense of embrace or coming together than it is i've got to peel the onion just keep throwing off as many onion peels and layers as i can that's certainly how it seems as you're going through the process so that's that's why it's in there that way it's just to be practical oh you all look so relaxed out there it's even more relaxed than in in a studio in a garage is out there on the grass on the blankets it's very relaxing it's great seeing you again john you look so relaxed the sunglasses on just kicking back it's beautiful it's beautiful it's a way to have a friday afternoon laid out in the grass with your friends that's it time just flew by it's already five so isn't it this is really what what this is all about just to be together and job together this is like excuse the show is excused so they will go come out and be together it is it's a great excuse to backdrop just to be together no expectations isn't it nice just to be together without an agenda without an expectation hmm how freeing that is i mean it's got to be the height of relationship just to be in a state of beingness acceptance and and embrace this this itself is an embrace yeah it's like there is no future there's no next moment and and just for now just for for now that we can be in this together ego has its own version of early retirement and the holy spirit has a version of holy retirement the holy spirits version is is one of of acceptance of everything right here right now and then the egos is very much again on the timeline work hard maybe have to do things you don't want to do maybe have to do a lot of things that you don't want to do but save your money invest your money have your nest egg and then retire and have a pension or a retirement fund or something that will sustain you and then you know it it will throw things in like well you know sometimes pensions get raided or get squandered or you know it just will say well yeah you know that there's nothing for sure in this world but yeah just forget put that aside for a while and stick to the formula and you know try to use the formula but basically i i think i had to see that following the holy spirit was a purpose and literally i felt like i could feel emotionally and experientially like that was an early retirement because i was not working for a boss in linear time anymore just that comfortable small still voice that i could connect with at any time then that was at the time that was the way i saw it now it's more like a merge like you know it's there's nothing yeah nothing to get huff about there's there is no you know buying into the formula in any way it was always about an acceptance and some of you have been following the news like with robin williams recently with the suicide and then it it came out you know just recently two more details that it was like he had been diagnosed with parkinson's and some of you know like what michael j fox and different ones that have gone through that that are kind of celebrities and the public eye and it's again it's just a self-concept but robin wanted to bring laughter to the world he wanted to bring joy and inspiration he didn't want to bring frailty weakness concern you know parkinson's is so associated with it being a depilitizing kind of disease where you lose control of faculties we're here we are at spiritual terms we're saying lose control lose control but to the ego it's the worst thing especially if you see yourself as a bringer of laughter and funny active supporting supporting children supporting people all over the planet you know with your roles with your movies and everything so it it either it's kind of came down to a sense of do i have to let go of the role that i'm accustomed to that i want to offer as a gift or do i have to you know move into something that seems very scary like loss of control leaving control over the body you know that can seem very scary and in those terms the suicide can even you know that that's how it goes in the mind is suicide can look more like an out like i can't stand to be in the public eye in kind of a diseased falling apart way i would rather take a bow you know like the truman show good afternoon good evening good night and stop while i'm ahead but what we're learning is you know we we it's not really a letting go of control because we never really had it in the first place god didn't really create us to be controlling the world controlling bodies having even control over motor control you know that's accepted as part of the dream but it's really still another aspect of what never was it just it's just starting to realize that's hum humbleness to start to realize no everything that i thought i was i wasn't and they were talking about all of his you know movies mrs. doubt fire and good morning vietnam and all these movies but they said the one that that most fans identified with and found most comfort with was the one with anabelle scorsi and the with the paintings yeah what what dreams may come and that was about a suicide actually if you remember anabelle you know and he he played the comforting character that his wife was tormented with suicide at the thought of losing her husband and he you know he cuba gooding jr was played like this character they all it all turned out that it was a world of ideas and he was told by cuba gooding jr jr you know you can have it be however you want to be the sky it was all like a painting it's a beautiful movie but i think of all the movies that we were aware of that's one of our movie watchers guide to enlightenment that just touched a lot of us because it was a transcendent movie about facing and going beyond suicide beyond the belief in suicide that there was something there beyond it that death wasn't the end and it's how appropriate you know really with with the way things played out with robin it just gave everybody a chance to go oh yeah let's come back to that movie of transcendence you know that was that was it of all the movies that was forgiveness that was transcendence it was there's more don't lose hope don't don't think that death is is the end yeah and in that movie you might remember even though he had he found that tracker and that guide and and he had his helpers along the way that turned out to be his children even helping him but it was like that he had to go into hell to try to rescue his wife but the course is so good it's teaching us you can't bring the truth into the illusion you just have to see the illusion for what it is you have to see the illusion of hell and you have to bring the illusions to the truth the truth of who you are so that's what we're doing you know that's why we have a wayshower who showed us it won't work to bring the truth into the illusion keep questioning your illusion keep raising up the unconscious beliefs keep raising up the darkness to the light and see that the darkness will disappear that's the way that the way that the wayshower has given us and that's the way that I took you know it whenever it came down to me having a thought those people aren't getting it when will the world change when will this happen Jesus is like come on would you quit singing that tune you we're not going to bring the light into the darkness we're not going to ever bring the truth into illusion you're never even asked to take the light into hell like your brothers are in hell and you're going to have to go deliver be the great messenger deliverer Jesus is like no way just start to see that everything that you perceive was made up by the ego and and you don't have to identify with any of those thoughts and you're free and so I like that that the way is clear you know we don't have to hesitate we just have to apply it you know we have to apply it we have to apply it yeah what do we need a wayshower and and and those instructions apply it as best you can try not to make exceptions to the lessons well that's pretty simple give me the lessons give me the instructions and just say now do it or undo it so we did it again out of the blue out of the blue comes Francis weird the show is so effective it's becoming weird to complete the title but you like out of out of the blue yeah thank you thank you everybody thank you for joining us yeah thank you