 Not a date plus seven. This is first four weeks. Oh, it's four weeks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, it would be date plus Hulu It was live viewership date plus second third and fourth dates. I Assuming you're Netflixing and chilling. That's why oh, no, I did not By the way, did you see that Cardi B has called for action on the government? I did yes Cardi B presidential historian offed political pundit She Has added her voice to the escalating showdown which indeed today escalated as There seems to be a war of of publicity stunts of Although I will I will be able to work in a relevant political take into our main discussion today Because Axios is a great article about how many antitrust Questions that incoming Attorney General William Barr got indicating that You know the the space between Washington and Silicon Valley as we will discuss by way of Tim Cook today Indeed draws ever closer we We also should note that if you lose Cardi B you lose the nation. I Mean you would leave at least the Bronx certainly the Bronx. Yeah, I don't think that would be exaggerating Yeah, that's that's crazy times, you know on our bonus show which goes out to the co-executive producer tier and above We noticed five years ago a bunch of privacy violation stories all related to Edward Snowden and And it hit us as because what we're doing on those shows is looking back at the lineup from five years ago, right? what hit us was The government has successfully pivoted away from responsibility for violating your privacy They have the five years ago when there was a snapchat You know snapchats leaking your phone number story It was and the bad consequence of this is government surveillance today That story is and the bad consequence of this is they have your privacy now and can sell it to advertisers Like government don't enter into it anymore that that Snowden related conversation just fizzled Yeah, I mean I Think that there's a couple reasons for that and I don't know whether or not I have time to get into any of them Considering now we should probably we pick it up after the year. Yeah All right We miss Sarah, but we'll do the show anyway Are you ready? Yes, then let the games begin. Oh Wait, I need to do one more thing and it does not involve a reference to Taylor Swift I hope I can pronounce this person's name, right? I'm gonna apologize in advance. All right, here we go in three two Tom DeGion Vittorio, Jr. Has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Tom become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, January 17th 2019 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt from the mesmerizing shores of Lake Merritt I'm Justin Robert Young and sitting under a very dark cloud. I'm Roger Chang the show's producer Not just the dark cloud of his life folks. It's literally been raining for like six days here in Los Angeles By the shores of Gitchy-goomy is what you made me think of there Justin. I don't know I haven't thought of that a long time No, no, I just sit here and pay pay homage to the lake in your in your honor here Thank you. Yes, it is my lake after all and I'm glad to keep an eye on it for me We are going to talk about Tim Cook's plea for privacy regulation and whether it's self-serving or if not, how much it is self-serving Let's start with a few tech things we should know Microsoft has promised to use five hundred million dollars to address housing issues in the Seattle region Microsoft will loan 225 million at below market interest rates to developers of workforce housing on the east side of Seattle near Microsoft 250 million will go toward market rate loans for construction of affordable housing and 25 million will be donated to services for low-income and homeless residents It comes as a result of work by former governor Christine Grigori's challenge Seattle's Organization which also is working with other area businesses like Boeing Amazon and Alaska Airlines Paper in science robotics details how Swiss scientists have trained a neural network in a computer simulation to figure out how to get a Robot dog back on its feet after a fall and it works in the robot dog The training was done in simulations which made it much faster They just used a typical PC so they saved on computing resources And when the results of the training regimen were loaded into the actual robot It caused the dog to recover from a fall 25 times faster run one and a half times faster and be able to roll over and get Back up after being pushed over the robot is called any mall Don't know if it's a tribute to Ellie Goldinger And that is mall is an ML not MA you well in case you were terrified good point fair point Google announced that it was increasing pricing for the G-suite services for the first time since launching in 2006 G-suite basic edition will increase $1 to $6 per user per month While G-suite business edition increases $2 to $12 per user per month Pricing for G-suites enterprise offering remains unchanged. The new pricing goes into effect April 2nd, 2019 Everybody's raising their prices inflation Going up. Let's talk a little bit or about Europe's copyright directive. We haven't talked about this in a few weeks So let's update you. They're still working on the final wording The if you remember we talked about this in September the the copy directive passed But it in in Europe's way of doing things. It's taking a little while to get to become a law Google has taken issue With the directive and put out a warning of what its search would look like in Europe if Article 11 of this new copyright directive goes into force article 11 is the one that gives publishers the right to demand paid Licenses for the use of snippets of stories, right? So saying like look if you use any of the words from our story, you got to pay us for that Otherwise all you can do is link will Google's test screenshots shared with search engine land show a page of results for latest news So somebody searched latest news Results have no images no headlines because that would be considered a snippet and only the names of the news sources and Timestamps so like Daily Mail 1 17 p.m. With no other information The legislation is enclosed or negotiation right now between the European Commission Council and Parliament The European Council will vote on Friday January 18th on the directive They can make changes to the wording that might be why Google's out there making this push right now The directive would be followed by negotiation if it passes that January 18th vote with the European Parliament starting January 21st and then a final vote would happen sometime in March if it passes all of that It doesn't go into law until all the nations pass it sometime in 2021 So this is them trying to demonstrate that they would not have a product, right? I Mean it's a little bit of a scare tactic But it's it's basically saying if we wanted to be the most conservative Followers of this directive. This is what we'd have to do to make sure we didn't step on anybody's toes and part of that is that Google fears that I think They do have reason to assume that they should play as conservative as possible to this kind of regulation, right? Like Google they got a lot of cash. They they fight in the courts all the time If if they if they felt like it they could put out headlines and claim that this is you know a fair They don't have fair use in Europe But that this is a fair way of displaying it and it's not necessarily a snippet because it's a common name Etc etc Google has all kinds of AI they could do some processing where they change the wording and so they get across the gist of What they're linking to without actually using the exact wording etc There's all kinds of things they could do to make this more usable This is them being obstinate and saying well, you know what? We're not gonna do anything. This is what you want I will defend Google here I do think that they that yes, this is them saying all right. We don't have a product You don't get the traffic. This is a lose lose for everybody I think that they are trying to demonstrate that but I don't know if they're in the wrong to do so The more that they challenge the more that they invite further regulation and whether or not they are exactly complying with this one Then the next round of it might be more Restrictive and they would rather make a deal I think the reason why they're doing this is they want to show the the forces that are pushing this To say look, you'll like the traffic that we give you You just don't like the fact that people don't go to your site by reading too much of it on our site So let's show you what zero looks like. Yeah. Yeah, it's a threat, right? And I don't I don't even disagree with anything you just said I don't think this is what Google actually does if they lose this fight Yeah, they might do that they might but then they still have to deal with regular search results as well Which is what this page is showing sure I mean, then they can depreciate news search results to the point where they don't show sites that they feel like they can't legally Fossil makes 14 different where OS devices and today Google announced it is acquiring 40 million dollars worth of fossil smartwatch IP as well as members of fossils research and development team that support that IP Google told wearable. It's getting quote new product innovation. That's not yet hit the market Unquote that came along with misfit when fossil acquired it in 2015 Fossil is finishing development of the product and will make it available on its existing lineup Google says the features and benefits aren't in the category today So it acquired it in order to be able to make it available to other partners This is a really interesting Interesting move fossil has been one of Google's best partners on the smartwatch Seen Fossil actually created a great R&D department that came up with some features that Google think will distinguish Wear OS devices from Apple Watch and Fitbit and Garmin and all the others out there And so they bought it. They said great fossil We'd like to buy that so that we can give it to Motorola and Samsung Well Samsung may not be using wear OS so much but but yeah, they they want to be able to give it to their partners So so that they can stand out as the platform operating system. I guess there's really not that much to discuss here It's not it's not that controversial I think it's notable though as a move that only a company the size of Google could make to go to one of their partners and go Oh, you invented something great. We'll just buy that portion of your company Please thank you very much and fossils like great We'll take your money and we'll keep using the technology we developed and you'll spread it far and wide and we all In I do wonder why Google doesn't want to just make the Google version of Their own hardware for for for the watch though Well, that was that was my first idea with this is like, oh, they want to make this the the Google Pixel watch Right or whatever they would call it but then when they say they're giving it to partners I'm like, well, maybe not so much I guess that makes sense to to just get it out there But I wouldn't be surprised if you're right Justin if that's not also part of this well, I guess that that it was when I read this I was like well, this feels like more of a Google 2014 kind of move other than a Google 2019 kind of move in that People have raved about the pixel though the pixel, you know, the more that Google has done their own hardware The more people seem to like it All right This is this is one that is both wonderful and sad Mastercard has a new policy for dealing with free trials for Mastercard to authorize a credit card hold for a free trial of a Physical product subscription. All right, so we're not talking about Hulu. I'm talking about Netflix. We're talking about stitch fix We're talking about Bomi box. We're talking about Pop sugar with any any of that stuff where you subscribe to something and you get a physical thing brought to you for those Kinds of subscriptions merchants will have to agree to some new conditions Before the first charge can be made at the end of the free trial merchants must notify customers by email or text that the free trial is coming to an end That message must include the amount of the upcoming charge and instructions on how to cancel the service The merchants must also agree to send a receipt for every charge after that Which will also include instructions for cancellation So there's a couple things first of all, it's just physical stuff not not online services Mastercard says they might extend this to online services But they want to start with the physical subscriptions and second of all Even though Mastercard says you'll have to they'll have to get your approval before they keep charging everything I've read Basically says they have to notify you and I think if you don't respond to the notification Then the charge can continue so I don't think you I don't think you can not take action and not get charged But they do have to notify the they do have to tell you like hey, you're about to get charged Here's how to cancel if you don't want to I would Take a wild guess that the reason why the move is made here is because they have had a lot of charge backs and Dispute is based on things like this but part of me thinks you know based on my own spending habits, this is going to crash the economy as I Salvation is that most people don't read their email and forget that they got text messages So even though they're gonna get these notifications a lot of people would be like alright, I should probably cancel that I'll get to that next month And and then Mastercard will be able to stop charge backs like well you knew you got the the text message You got the email So I don't know if you can really claim a charge back on that I I love this because it has all of the trappings of a government program Like they're gonna enforce new rules without involving the government in any way and if this catches on I would assume Visa would step in and probably offer some similar sort of protection for people It also Creates, you know for Mastercard a little bit more of a proactive approach I mean that they are not the card that deals with charge backs right in general. They don't like doing it They they don't respond as favorably as other cards like American Express or something like that So this is them just saying all right, but let's eliminate one more headache for ourselves. Yeah, it's not perfect, but it's better Jeff Bezos you heard of him He's opening up the invite-only elite gathering called machine learning automation robotics and space aka Mars to the public now called Recolon Mars The conference will be held in Las Vegas from June 4th through the 7th So far all the workshops and demos listed are from Amazon the speakers are almost all from the academic world like MIT's Robot human interaction specialist Kate Darling and UC Berkeley's roboticist Ken Goldberg You can find out more at remars.amazon.com Yeah, you're not gonna see Google join this willingly You know they have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this you're not you're not gonna see an apple joining this This is an Amazon conference, right? I It entertained me to think why don't they have it in Jackson Hole? Why don't they have it at Davos? You know, why don't they have one of those elite places like they were having their secret AI conference before? Oh, no, they're gonna have it in Las Vegas But of course, you know, you got to you got to find someplace that has enough hotel space and that that's Vegas fine I think all in all though outside of those two thoughts This is a positive thing because you'll get more AI Presentations it certainly is gonna help Amazon, but it also can probably help a lot of people because it's opened up So I'm glad I'm glad they've opened it up. I think it's smart to open up in 2019 I don't know exactly what the threshold where I would bat an eye at somebody's starting a conference there are Happen on a constant basis that I think that this is just makes sense and and you want to know what? I'm glad. I'm glad Jeff Bezos has something to Busy himself with His time Let's just say that that that 2019 has been the dark side of new year new me for Jeff Hey, yeah, exactly. He can he can go to Vegas and what happens in Vegas for Jeff will stay in Vegas Let's the inquire gets it. I do wonder what the cosplay at remars is You get to be one of those Mars drones and just like wander around the floor and people are like no It's not Mars the plan never mind All right Have I been pwned founder Troy hunt published a blog post outlining a data set seen on the filing sharing service mega That Troy is referring to as collection number one. It's important to understand if you've heard of the story It's not a data breach. It's a collection of data from previous breaches So we're not talking about new stuff here Well, what's the significant about this is it's all been correlated together to make it easy for hackers and attackers to use It has 773 million email addresses and 21 million passwords Which beats the previously largest data set on have I been pwned which contains 711 million records Also, because the list covers people multiple times So because of the combinations of passwords and an email addresses it actually contains 1.16 billion email password combinations So, you know think of it the fact that you have an account and a password of multiple places But it's the same email address at all those places some people who sadly had the same password at all those places Means that you drive this number up really fast The collection seems to be a compilation of many smaller breaches dating back to at least 2015 It allegedly includes over 2,000 databases of de-hashed passwords. So they're in the clear collection number one included more than 140 million new email addresses Previously not listed on have I been pwned That's a big deal. They've been doing this for years now Almost everybody's email address that's made an account has been involved in somebody's breach with yahoo and Kickstarter and patreon and Target and everything. So the fact that there's 140 million new ones in there is I think pretty significant The upshot of all this Justin is really nothing new Which is make sure that you're using long strong passwords make sure that you're not using the same passwords at Multiple locations that you've got a unique password at everyone You'll probably need to use a password manager to do that although might using it in a notebook Works just fine for a lot of people but you shouldn't use the same password at multiple locations and You should change your password if you've seen that it's been involved in a breach Go to have I been pwned put in your email address It'll tell you what breaches your email address has been in and if you haven't changed your password at those places Although most of those places make you reset them in these cases then you should the bigger risk is That password that you reset at Kickstarter after its breach was also used in some other thing And that's what these databases are used for they they take those those combinations And they know they won't work say at target anymore But then they try them at a bunch of other places to see if they work somewhere else Yeah Man, I feel like this is another one of those DTNS greatest hits conversations certainly is right. What happens when we get into the post password world is it would seem to me that as we now have a Deeper access by the browser or even by the OS when you're talking mobile to password keepers like Last pass and the like That this almost should be something that is more seamless than it then it is like if you are logged in on a certain level you should be able to to Prefill out and just make sure that you're always, you know that you're automatically Updating to a new strong Password periodically that you'd never see right because you're just logging into your own biometrically secure access point In other words, they should really fix the system of passwords Those are all good ideas that like you say they're greatest hits we've talked about it before We talk about Fido all the time and password We're actually making progress towards getting rid of passwords and having a secure authentication without using passwords With with Fido keys and things like that and as soon as you can build that into a phone Which I which most people have then I think that really does start to catch on but you're right Yeah, something needs to be done about this because this is not going to go away And these passwords as long as they're lingering out there are going to be a security risk for somebody Also just in the way that these things work if they are servicing on I have I been pwned There are databases that we don't know about that. Oh, yeah No, 140 million addresses showed up now that had that hadn't been known before that just proves what you just said like up Until now there were a hundred forty million addresses out there that weren't on have I been pwned that it had been circulating around in other breaches Yeah, that there's a hundred and forty million passwords that have been rung drive for as much as the people that had them before wanted to ring them You know, I just want to mention this real quick We are doing an experiment for people who would like to subscribe to just DTNS Without ads but without patreon breaker dot audio is Where Roger has been uploading the the versions and you just pay breaker. It only works on iOS right now They say they have an Android app coming out. So I haven't pushed it a lot I just want to try it out But I bring them up right now Because breaker doesn't have passwords When you log in you put in your email address and it sends a link to that email address to log in Yeah, I like that. All right You want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Tim Cook, you know him as the CEO of Apple He is also an opinion piece writer for Time magazine at least today is Tim Cook in an op-ed piece for time called on the US Congress to pass comprehensive federal privacy legislation He outlined principles that should guide this privacy regulation including the right to have personal data Minimized in other words only collect what is absolutely necessary and strip identifying information from it The ability to access correct and delete data that has been collected about you everybody should be able to see what was collected and Modify it if they need to as well as the right for that data to be secure In other words, we should have all these breaches that we just been talking about Now Cook recommends the US Federal Trade Commission establish a data broker clearinghouse and Require all data brokers to register giving consumers access to that data and the ability to correct and delete it Rich Strafolino who does daily tech headlines for us and helps out the show in a bunch of other ways point it out to me that This is kind of a tradition now for big companies to call for regulation Once they've comfortably risen to the point that the regulation won't hurt them as much as it might hurt competitors Yes, and I don't think that this is that that's that's a incorrect point Apple even back to Steve Jobs has been more pro privacy Than other companies. This is largely because they sell privacy. That's their whole stick is Their ad sales is a very small portion of their bottom line and even then they they have they've you know I ads was not a success for them. They did not want to they did not want to push further into that market and so now when you talk about Data collection you are talking about the current advertising Market right this play advertising be it on television or in print is Dying to dead the way that you spend money is by buying people's targeted advertising Through Facebook and Google being that the key players there the fact that Tim Cook is writing about this is unsurprising He's made these kind of comments before but I want to take this one step out, Tom and just Let's talk about in 2019 is the the metaphorical space between Silicon Valley and Washington DC as close as it has been since the Microsoft antitrust issues in the late 90s because it feels like The the the war drums are are beating on on not only issues like this where Apple's bringing it up themselves But also William Barr the incoming Attorney General for the Trump administration Replacing Jeff Sessions was asked more Jeff Sessions got zero questions about tech company regulations when he was when he was Confirmed William Barr got many many many more than that during his confirmation hearings over the last few days It feels to me as somebody who follows both that we're headed for a collision Well, my perspective might be Just just first blush to your to your proposition here The biggest companies are always the companies that get the attention from government Yeah, whoever whoever the big big companies are the ones more likely because if for no other reason than they employ More people are more likely to have rubbed people the wrong way I'm because their products are successful. There are more people out there who are gonna be mad at their product That's just a rule of scale if nothing else And so the government's always going to be going after them I think this is just a symptom of the fact that technology arrived within the past five years we went from Google being a sort of a scratch still being thought of as a scrappy technology upstart to Biggest company in the world Apple is no longer recovering from the doldrums of the 90s It's biggest company in the world Amazon is not disrupting retail with us online sales. It's biggest company These are the biggest companies in the world Microsoft is back to being the biggest company in the world from being is Microsoft even relevant anymore so all of technology has just Risen to the top of business for these companies and And and so they are going to get the ire I don't know that smaller companies out there that are going under the radar like people developing You know robotic dogs that that stand back up are getting that kind of attention. It's the finance part of it Not the product part of it Okay, great dodge you explained a lot about why this might You know the roots as to why this might happen, but yes or no Are we are we looking at a data privacy legislation push? Are we okay? Sorry looking at an antitrust case because because you know Here's the problem with all of that. We're not going to get a privacy legislation because Congress can't agree Who they should punish if they were all getting behind it together and that still could happen then I'd say yes But right now It's a political football, which is to these companies advantage Tim Cook coming out and saying you should make some privacy legislation is almost the safest thing he can do because he knows There's there's not the political will to make this happen right now But it makes him look good It is hard to to look at where the political lines would be drawn on this 2016 I thought was going to be the moment when when tech became a Political a talking point at the very beginning of that race. You saw a little bit of the uber, you know You know gig economy kind of a thing become a bit of an issue and then obviously we wound up talking about other things throughout the rest of That campaign, but I feel like it's here. I feel like it's arrived Tom and whether or not it is something that Will go all you know go all the way I believe it's going to be something that we will be talking a lot more about this year Yeah, for sure and from here through 2020 I agree with you there. I'd be remiss if I didn't point out There is this there are multiple solutions to this problem that don't require the FTC to get involved such as MIT's solid Which is a distributed secure way for you to manage your data and give approval and remove approval for who has it and you operate it yourself and I am Very sad that I don't hear Tim Cook talking about that I'm very sad that I don't hear Google talking about that that I don't hear Amazon talking about that not surprised But I'm sad because the solution is there Tim Berners-Lee who's behind solid He knows he knows he's not going to get those people behind him So he's trying other ways to get this to take off and I hope it does Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and Facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. We got a couple things in the mailbag David wrote in and said he listened to our assistant war Discussion and made him think that interoperability can be easily achieved if all assistant vendors would allow for a custom wake world I would be more likely to mix my assistance if I could just say hey Guido and whichever device heard my query would answer If I wanted a specific assistant to answer I could use the old wake word Of course this presumes that I have assistance everywhere in my home, which I already almost do I Think the problem with this is even if you use consistent assistance right now There are problems with multiple versions of the same assistant hearing you Yeah, we would need some kind of Coach right like we would need Guido would have to be something that disseminate that knew the strengths and weaknesses of all your Assistance and was able to Find the best solution and make sure that they play nice together when they're trying to fulfill your request if two of them from different Ecosystems hear you. Yeah. Yeah, and then Kyle pointed out something that my Google home can do that I didn't realize I think maybe because I only have one Google home He says Tom made the comment near the end of the show. Hey turn on the lights You know which ones and ideally it would just work I'm not sure what echoes and home pods can do but I do know if you go overboard with Google home It actually works like that set up the Google home app with rooms Associate individual Google home speakers with smart light switches and outlets in those rooms And then you can say things like turn on the lights and it's smart enough to only turn on the ones in the rooms Where the Google home speaker heard you? Very nice smart. Yeah, I don't know the echo can do that. No normally we have to assume we have to assign You know names for each thing so we have the studio lights hooked up right right lights hooked up do it Well, thank you Justin Robert young for being with us today Justin inspired me to start free tech newsletter calm Because he has got such an awesome resource and free political newsletter calm. What else you got going on? 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I forgot about that. That's funny. So what should we call this show Justin robber young Showbot dot chat realm dot net we have suggestions feed feed it in fed in from our chat room live Don't call it a data breach. It's been leaked for years That's a pretty funny It's a little long but it's funny google watch is not extinct, but it's got some great fossils my little pony PWN that's why that's pretty good. Have you never used my little pony? I can't I don't think we have because if you haven't I think we might have to all right Dtns out of lane violation because with no Sarah lane today I gotta give it gotta give a nod to all the name puns. That's another Greatest hits is for somebody's out the name pun Show without merit Uh with great pony comes great pony ability I'm partial to hate Guido. Hey, that was pretty great Uh Yeah, my little pony that's that's gotta be it my little pony it is Uh and bio cow points out dts 2907 was called don't call it a soft launch and dts 23 87 was called don't call it a zeitgeist So we've definitely caught done the Kanye thing No, it's not Kanye. Why did I say Kanye? You know Kanye and Steve Bezos when they used to Steve Bezos, yeah Kanye Kanye mess me on my mind ll cool j. Thank you very much I watched an hour-long interview with solja boy. Oh, did you? Yeah Uh fascinating fellow solja boy entrepreneur he uh has really dug into The Chinese manufacturing market he has just found Every way he could possibly put his name on the stuff that is like readily available to be produced Out of china. That's interesting. Uh on last week's it's a thing mollywood Made mentioned that a lot of nba players Are doing the same thing especially players who who have a name, but maybe not big enough to compete in the us market For for clothing deals are getting like crazy deals in china Well, that's yeah, no, that's that's more straight out endorsement. Uh, this is Solja boy saying I have a video game console now. Okay And and just buying with dubious legality in terms of uh, how many emulator uh games are on there And then selling them for as long as he can in america But you know, it really shows you uh, there was a thing that we covered on jerry not too long ago or earlier this week about The new trend in instagram Uh influencers That they are giving away for free Iced out chains tom can you can you imagine it? What how do I get in on this? So you get you swipe up to get iced up is the slogan from I think it was supreme patty the instagram star Hey So when you go swipe up to get if you indeed swiped up to get iced up You would find that it is free zero dollars. It costs you to get this chain unfortunately It's 20 dollars to ship it Well, I mean, but that's fair. It's you know, you want it to be securely shipped, right? You don't want your ice to get iced Uh, so it is drop shipped from china via media mail Which uh, uh is about two dollars for the weight Uh and also The Hundred dollar chain that you were getting for free You can find on ali express for about another two dollars So you get it by swiping up to ice up. That's part of the experience, you know millennials like experiences Exactly and and you do you have an experience tom you get to experience suspense The the the uh a motion that steven spielberg made a career on Because you'll be waiting for up to two months to get your free chain Which I guess it I mean it is free. You're sure you pay 20 bucks for shipping, but uh, uh, you have to wait To get it and then uh, you find out that it's a two dollar chain from china Uh download file is good to go Yes, it is So we live in a post Monroe world A postman row world post Malone. My god. What's wrong with me today? Wow. Yeah, you are you are firing on all cylinders are on no cylinders I think we're making a joke about james Monroe our former president That would have made more sense That would be the tom I don't even know where I was going with that. So let's let's uh, what we were talking about something right before the uh, the show started Oh Uh, we were were we You something and I had a reaction to it But I couldn't talk about we started by talking about cardi b Uh calling for action on the government shutdown. We did Then did we talk about netflix? Oh, right. We were talking about the netflix numbers But I thought we talked about that before maybe quite possibly Hold on. Let me I'll listen back Hmm. Hmm I'll have to I'll have to keep listening if you don't mind Wait a minute. What's going on? What do we have to? Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Such silence Yeah man That's tom listen. Oh, it was the the the bonus show where we had mentioned that Privacy violations were always seen as a government risk And now they're seen as a company risk. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So here's my hot take on that number one It took edward snowden one of the most blockbuster Narratively rich Uh moments in history for us to even talk about that for as long as we did Like these stories the idea that the government has made deals with telecom companies or technology companies to put some kind of Tracking or monitoring that they they hope is used sparingly Is nothing new It is it is something that has happened for as as long as we've had telegraphs. We've had government trying to figure out a way to Uh Use it to law enforcement's benefit, right? And let's leave it there before we get into any kind of nefarious element of it Let's let's even assume that Everybody who is doing this for the government is pure of heart and is only doing things for the right reason And they're only catching bad guys Uh snowden was such a unique Moment where not only was there a whistleblower There was a moment of peril where we did not know Where the whistleblower was going to go where he was going to end up. There was a cultural moment of well Are you for him? Are you against him? And then the charges were explosive and and seemingly ironclad, you know project prism was something that that Not only was fairly clear laid out about as bare as you can lay out a top secret program like that But the kind of deafening silence from the partners that were there kind of seemingly confirmed it My point is yes, we are now talking more about privacy when it comes to companies But I think that that is the rule and edwards snowden was a very very loud black swan exception The natural order of things is we don't question whether or not The government is invading our privacy But we do always complain about companies overreaching once they get big Yes Because and and that fits that definitely fits because like we were talking about in the main show There is that that point Where companies get big enough that they get they get too much attention and they get they get targeted And the tracking has been going on for decades. This was an issue in the 90s We're like, wait a minute these banner ads are setting cookies, right? And it's just gotten worse and worse and worse And i'm not saying the size of the companies is the only reason But it's probably the biggest reason that the reaction has been as big as it did as it is Yeah, I I do think that part of it is what your initial point was that People understand it more people can wrap their head around Uh, uh, what's going on in a way that You know my well, not my grandma because both of them are dead, but uh, my mom who is not super tech savvy Uh, we'll be able to you know, can go to facebook and then go to another ad Go to another website and be like, wow, isn't it weird that the vacuum? I just searched for is now the only thing that I see on a bunch of different sites Like that's kind of weird and odd. I wonder how that happens There's a natural curiosity In point to wonder about what data privacy and collection is In a way that I guess here's my point about the snowden thing If the if everything that snowden revealed every last stitch of it Was reported in the new york times In the biggest way that the times could do it a four-part series all of it on the front page Gigantic blown out infographics. They did everything that they could do to make it a gigantic deal It would have gone not on this site or not on not on dtns But for the public at large it would have gone away in a week We would have had another thing to to focus on in a way that It wasn't with snowden because we had a guy We had a person we had a larger conversation and for that for as long as he was in china and then went to russia There was the question of like Well, where's he gonna go? Is he gonna get extradited to the united states? It was You know the the the white bronco chase exactly That that's that's exactly right. I I do think that there is when you pulled back though like that's the 10,000 foot view It's not super close out when you pulled back to the 100,000 foot view. There is something interesting just as a social trend that Within this tech coverage world right because you can make an argument based on that pew study yesterday that A lot of people aren't really paying that close attention to what facebook's doing tracking them anyway, right? That that is is somewhat within our bubble from that 100,000 foot view You can make the argument that it is interesting That every privacy violation During that snowden era was a this could lead to government surveillance I don't mind snapchat having my phone number But what if they have to give it over to the government because of government surveillance or subpoenas or whatever? and then at Round 2016 around that election time around the time people started to think that maybe russia did something with our election It becomes I don't want snapchat having my phone number because companies do bad things with my information and then they try to fake news me into voting for the wrong person And that and all of the privacy violation stories tend To to point to that as the risk Whereas government surveillance not even not even mentioned anymore Uh, and I do think that's interesting And all doesn't contradict any of the reasons you're saying I do think it's interesting that that just evaporated. Yeah Poof gone Yeah, I I I totally agree. I I think that there's uh You know, there's there's there's there's no doubt that these conversations are kind of evolving Uh I would wonder if snowden happened today I think it would play differently. Oh, yeah, wouldn't it especially him ended up in russia I mean that's an element of it that yeah there are still You know, there are plenty of people who believe that it's no coincidence that uh He's in moscow. Well, and it's not but it's not that he planned it It's a enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of situation, right? Uh, yeah, I mean There were there were those who who do go where uh, british john stossel That was a shocking revelation to me. You realize that british john stossel is just john oliver Hey folks, thanks for watching the video I hope you enjoy it and uh, we will be back tomorrow. Sarah's still gone for one more day tomorrow But then she'll be back next week and audio folks stick around. There's more to come