 It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa is time for us to go through the pages of a national days We call it off the press open above Katara joins us this morning open above It's good to have you join us. Good morning and compliment of the season All right, then let's take a look at the leadership newspaper The leadership says at a rise TV town hall a tick who will be Conquer so denounced poverty rate in Nigeria. I don't know what that means Identifying security as major cause Rolls out plans for education and health sector these are you know, the riders underneath the boat caption It's just two of them Underneath that particular one. I probably like to run through it again a tick who will be quank or so denounce poverty rate in Nigeria identifying security as major cause Rollout plans for education health sector following that town hall meeting to noble speaks at Chatham house Today and seven years after Buhari. Okay Turnable speaks at Chatham house today seven years after Buhari has boldly written on the leadership Emo attack. I neck loses seven Office to arsonist in four months. That's according to the leadership illegal custom checkpoints for straightening trans border trade she pass and Just before we move away. You have a Cuttard 2022 England beat Senegal to set up Quarterfinal showdown against France. I know a lot of persons were you know rooting for Senegal, especially those in Africa Nigerians hoping that Senegal would do that magic, but men when you look at the you know the Combination when you look at the lineup for England you look at all of the stars there Quite amazing, but of course not to write of the fact that Senegal, you know did very great We have the nation as quickly move up from away from the leadership the nation newspaper Ex depo price hits 225 per liter as petrol sketch the city persist Ex depo price Hits 225 naira per liter as petrol scarcity persist and Marketers urgent and PCL to stock product for 60 days You have pricing gap widens to 34% Again, how to curtail the rising debts profile by DMO, but Nigeria saying that I mean, I remember You know some report that we talked about Finances saying I just not broke well within a spell boring and Nothing wrong 500 doctors left in two years as medical counsel a Delay case certificates my live under threats as PDP shifting and Still looking at the front page of the nation governors Bajabia Mela others with Chernobyl in the United Kingdom very obvious in that picture you see You know the governor of crossover state is there. I think it was one picture. I made the rounds and Navy rating keel policemen Or never rating keel policemen in your orders in Lagos Bandage shoot a man a Lot of things are happening at this period. We'll just take a break We'll just move away from the nation newspaper and quickly look at the punch the punch says Bouchie Gombe fight over new oil wells or really For oil wells are in Gombe boundary commission hypocritical says Governors special advisor Marta taking different dimension Bouchie will consult Commissioner ashore stakeholders and again These are the riders you find underneath, you know the boat caption for the punch newspaper this morning Buhari six improved security in a cause region Federal government unveils new curriculum for varsity today and please Accuses of plotting mother suspect release Poor network I neck to meet NCC and telecoms on Tuesday Nigerians telecom subscribers hit 214 million Marketers resort to private depots as shorted hits the NMPC It's a lot a tick who will be quank or so lock horns at town hall meeting The daily trust is an next paper we'll be looking at the daily trust talks about bandits of doctor 46 in Katsina villages or village attack and Students worshippers children among victims Imam orders wounded kidnappers demand new narrow nodes for ransom We have rescued for chasing the attackers. That's what the police is quoted to say and NNPC Chevron secure 610 billion are funding to drill that is seven all wells Buhari Reels unconstitutional regime change in West Africa I pop behind attack on emo I neck office. That's what the police is saying Interesting I neck tracks 52 campaign incidents in two months ASP start to death as novel office, please or police officers clash in Lagos a tick who will be quank or so renew pledges at The town hall meeting that was held right recently There's also weekly security review right there, but we just quickly move away from the papers and Have open above Kataria share his thoughts this morning Okay, no boss get to have you join us once again and thank you How do you react to The headline from the leadership a tick will be quank or so denounced poverty rate in Nigeria and They identify insecurity as a major cause as a rollout plan for education and the health sector That headline is very explicit And it's also very natural for presidential candidates or candidates at all levels to denounce or denounce all kinds of fights They are talking about poverty of course. We all know that poverty in the land is possible. It's our basic Nigerian Kind of difficult to even have a stomach Also, they are likely there have to believe in terms of school fees taking care of the family maintaining the family and so so Advice in half and it's natural for politicians to say those things that They're very likely and he will be appealing to the both of us so they'll all denounce that We are sick and tired of rhetoric We want action We want these concrete performance and that does come amout all this Sanctimonious Promises and so on statements, so it is normal, but who will match the world with this that that's what I'm looking for Talking of insecurity we agree Insecurity is part of the problem But the truth is in security for the major problem The major problem has to do with malignments with some bad leadership, apocalyptic leadership Lack of focus, he lead us in that is rather less. This is the major problem, not necessarily Insecurity, yes, we are going to have no one going to deny that But you have this security in every part of the world even in the most civilized times you have the security You have to see the economy booming So they should not start to do people in security. It is rather lack of It's a morass of leadership activity that is responsible for the bad economy in this country But let's still stay further with the report. I'm sure that you are Aware of that report that talked about multi-dimensional poverty Especially in the rural community where you have about 72 persons Being poor and we've also seen arguments from the government blaming the state governors for being responsible But I like us to look at the reality. You come from a rural community I come from one and there are several, you know local governments in Nigeria if you have gone to any of them recently Um, how would you rate it? Would you say that you know the statistics and this figures are nothing to you know There's a discrepancy or there's a disconnect Loud and clear I mean a lot of people have this cute understanding of what leadership is all about Did I say it is not all about building roads, skies, papers and so on Most times those who build those things don't build The views of certain people, not necessarily because they are being so For the people most of them that is how they replace the treasury because they have to justify the text and so they build bridges, they build roads and Maybe a road will cost about 10 billionaire and they replace it to about 30 billionaire and pocket And in the eyes of the people, yes, this man is working So it actually didn't show Because that is the best way that he can steal money from the treasury That is not leadership at all. When you talk of leadership, first and foremost, you're talking of the wealth We lead a leader So you can move into a state, you can move into a local government And you find out that the place is peaceful, no doubt about that But the people are poor and what sense of this may be, just like when CTOB, for example, kept saying they left some 18 billion or whatever amount to the treasury Now that people make sense when you've met At least 70 to 80 percent of the yen ends of the people, then you can say I left this You cannot, for example, now Your sons who feel this 10 millionaire have protected you Your son's group is 10 millionaire, so I hope you're going by the dollar rate now to 10 millionaire and Probably you have 10 millionaire in your account and rather than pay yourself stupid, you go around telling people I have 10 millionaire in my account. It's ridiculous. It makes no sense Because if you pay yourself stupid, you're not going to have that 10 millionaire in your account And which means if you're telling me of this by not paying yourself stupid, you have to pay yourself stupid So this this is just hypothetical So the the advice down to leaders Now, even if you go to the grassroots, how many of the local government and chairmen have come up with policies that will put food on the table of the people? I always make reference to a man like David Smith The very first governor of this aspect, at the young age of 24-25 Probably because he had good advice He told about the greatest need also ensured human capital development in addition to fiscal You could see going just things that so far but we go see People living where and again was also building roads and bridges and so that is what you call leaders It must not be one-sided and that's why a lot of people have this cute What understanding of what we're going to tell about when you build all those roads and bridges and the people are hungry Precious It completely means nothing. They cannot even afford to apply those roads and bridges. So it means nothing You know, so you must have to create a condition environment for businesses to try You must have to ensure that The people might There should be industry and so on and then you can talk of leaders because human capital development is much more important Than the physical development that is really emphasized right now. So it all boils down to leaders Okay, um away from that, uh 2023 elections is almost here We're counting days now Just to that election But there are a lot of issues that are of a major concern And one of it is the fact that there's an attack again on INEC facility or office in emo state According to you, you know statistics of costs from INEC itself is saying that this is You know an attack. How many attacks have they have they had seven attacks in four months? Should this be um, you know A worry for us as we inch closer to the elections Yeah, the competition of attack And almost here it cannot Uh, why these these attacks have been have been carried out. They're carried out. Sorry. I've been carried out I can't really because what's the rationale behind it. It is rational and explicable What what are you attacking this opportunity for? Do you think by attacking the facility? INEC will not conduct the election. So that's part of it. INEC will conduct the election Even if we create a sense of insecurity the elections will go on because of cost it should not matter and then What The the attacks are still to understand is that if for example There is the concentration of attacks in the particular area Those living in that area are jeopardizing their lives and how they're jeopardizing their lives the federal government will move in security The soldiers will move it where are that other communities might have just say 10,000 policemen in this other community that is going to attack. So you always have attack You find out that they are going to send 10,000 policemen and 10,000 soldiers And you know most of these soldiers are so reckless You know, they will not act between Uh, the the remit. We do not they will not just go there to carry out instructions They will go there and even go beyond they'll see their briefs by maybe assaulting the people and so on So, I think it is intellectual property That that that is made into this because the elections will still take place there It is a mark this is my spell doom. What does this not spell doom for the elections? I mean all of this attack It doesn't spell do because it's but how about you know, the How about the um, you know Infrastructures the things that have been destroyed materials and what have you that would have been destroyed That I I was I was not addressing that now the sensitive materials are not there It is not going to spell doom The only thing is going to cost more because they'll be replaced. They might not rebuild that structure immediately But those materials will be replaced. There any German has said this repeated me those materials will be replaced It's going to cost more because the sensitive materials are not there yet But you see the irony of this all is that When they'll be moving the sensitive materials to those places that they'll make sure that they send Excuse me. They'll make sure that they send enough military personnel P. S. Movie military personnel. So all those living in that community I mean their lives and then that because we all know that in Nigeria when you send this to the prison Yeah, the women will suffer these young ones will suffer in no sensitive to suffer That's some of them with it. Some of them will be assaulted without any justification and so on And that is what they feel to understand But that the elections will not be able to take me they might not rebuild that they might take another structure and then protect the whole place so that there won't be a rehearse of this Ashing that deputy they will do but that the elections will not be because the sensitive materials are not there yet They are talking of those office equipment An office equipment is something that you can replace between 24 or 48 hours. We replace all of them What I the fact I let me I let me go to do and even the headquarters will have photocopies of whatever they send to that place In any case There is nothing that have been destroyed that will affect the conduct of the election because you may just be Why concerning the conduct of the sensitive materials and they are not there yet So if the people think that they said this way to affect the conduct of the election in those areas Then they have failed. They better have everything Okay um another is um On the nation newspaper X depot prize hits 200 and 25 naira per litre as petrol scarcity persists The scarcity is still going on and it probably might just be connected with the recent revelation from the navy Where they say, you know, the nnpc has not been very honest nnpcl has not been honest With Nigerians as regards why we are faced with, you know, uh, fuel scarcity So, um, the nation talks about depot prize X depot prize that hits 225 naira per litre and fuel scarcity is still ongoing Well, I think the first activity is artificial Because uh, the subsidy is still there. It's going to be removed next year The I listened to some of the marketer. I think they're complaining that It cost them a lot to move and I try most of the filling stations are closed It cost them a lot to move the product from one end to the other Basically, that is what So I think the deputy national chairman was about their marketing and The general marketing whatever association or something That was the excuse me the the high cost of Uh, lifting the or moving it from the particular for moving it from the depot to the retail the Retail outlet that is expensive My dear the simple solution is For us to ensure our refineries are working Until the refineries start working We will draw the clown in the morass of procedures And the issue will get exacerbated We must ensure how can I spot our food refineries and bring it in Look at even the cost of exploiting the group the cost of refining and if you not deduct all this It is going to positively affect the price of Of particular in the country So the only partner share to this what whichever you look at it is to get this refineries working And unless the refineries start working the prices of petrol will spy It will spy there is nothing we can do about that. That is just the solution Because by the time you deducts And now if by next year the remote is succeeding it will test out the situation By time but by time you deduct the cost of exploiting The cost of refining there and the cost of importing you can imagine if you make this deduction What if you have to get affected by the price of petrol in the market? So that is the only solution and suddenly the federal government thinks there's huge sums of money maintaining energy Isn't with the p.i.a Huge sums of money maintaining energy the stars are paid the facilities that i'm in say where i mean facilities i'm talking of Not the refineries i'm talking of the buildings and so on the fee bashing stationaries and so on Look at the we're just wasting money they still employ People into nmpc So we're just wasting money it boils down to leadership for seven years It's just government promise that within how many months it was going to turn around the refinery It was even going to build a new refinery for seven years is moribund And you expect the petrol price to come down. It's not possible It's just definitely not possible. It's going to be a pretty delusion to think there will be a reduction in the price So you must pick the refineries if you must address The the the quagmire that we face You So but i'd like to share your thoughts I know that you are not part of you know the nnpcl And uh, you probably are not you know in the chain of command and what have you but What what do you think is responsible for the petrol scarcity and the crises that were faced with at the time? Do you think it has anything to do with all tests or the corruption in the nnpc? Or you know the ukraine war or the fact that we're unable to Refine our crude. What exactly or where exactly lies the problem? I just I just that is exactly what I just said to you forget the test and so on because the steps Yes, we agree. I'm sorry, but this is what it's about to say The The capture involved in doing the nnpc cannot be a solution Excuse me, but uh, yes, there are few studies where they might not know about my death It knew the high path technology to be able to steal food. That is the truth. That is one thing Then number two like I said Until we get the refineries working no matter the steps in the situation won't have been this bad I'm not trying to justify but it won't have been this bad So we are talking of corruption in the system Which has also led to the failure of the turn around maintenance Because of corruption you have the cover Monies are being Allocated I think every every two three years every four four years and nothing has been done That is the corruption we are talking about Then the issue of exploitation refining and importation of the of the finished product is also It's also bothersome corruption because you have a cattle in thousands and you see the high cost now What is marketer are saying? the movement of the products For example to the retail outlets is expensive and when they do that they don't have They cannot make profit because if they have to make profit then which means they have to increase The price of the food and what they do that Nigeria's will not buy Some say they don't think that even their creditors are on their neck because they've not been even able to defraud your spending debt So it still boils down to corruption But like us but the point I am making is why they address the issue of corruption? Why they address the issue of debt? Because it is the future about it is that the problems are multifaceted. It's not just one But why they address the issue of corruption? Why they address the issue of debt? We must turn around the refineries and ensure that they start production Once that is done, it will alleviate the situation, the sufferings that Nigeria's are facing with personal problems Because if these people don't move it, they could have thrown the debt to the retail outlets Then how do you buy? And if they move at exorbitant cost of funding, they are in there out there to make profit They will increase the price. So it will keep increasing But if the refineries are working, there will be a reduction because you must have deducted the cost of exportation The cost of refining there and the cost of import So it's almost the case of you know How do you give what you don't have because you have reports that we have not been able to process fuel for export since around February and March 2022 But we have reports from the nmpc telling the federal government that the product is not you know being We're not been I mean nmpc saying that it's it's thefts But the case is that we have not been able you know to channel this product What we're even refining or producing we've not been able to channel it You know through the channel the export channel to get out. So we're not sending anything out And and and that could also confirm and that's could also confirm with the zero remittance You know to the federation account as well So so I said if for example you turn around that as I said Whichever way you look at it no matter the semantics You have to get out and I was wrong Why do you have to export? That's the point I'm making but the why we don't always do this semantics. We're not talking about semantics here The bottom line is the refineries must walk They are saying because it's not been able to export. Why do you have to export? What what are there? Shouldn't we be worried about where what we have produced where exactly is it? I mean Yes, why should we export but if we have not been able to export it through the channel that it should go through Then where exactly have we been exporting it through? What is going on? Where is the crude? in his raw form The crude in his raw form could maybe still be there with benefits, but that is the corruption That's what the federal government should interpret But the federal government will not interpret it because it's a cabal That's that's what is the cover all these things won't happen the issue of Where is the crude at if you sign as we are working because you just don't see your final that you produce it You have you you you are finding to put you're selling Do you want is it the whole thing is orchestrated By a cabal to make money That's why I say even this is your status is artificial So by the time they do all this then they will there will be justification for an increase in the platform price of petrol It's artificial. That's what what is orchestrated look messy. We take one way you look at it Unless you pitch the refineries We are still going to have problems one way or the other If the finalists are working, nobody will tell you guys the truth. Where's the one we have we have we have Drills, where is the clue? Nobody will tell you but as a concept you're going to refine But because the cabal is working Encounters with the government That's why we're having this problem First and foremost let us address these of the refineries and we must have addressed 70 percent of the problems the industry is facing We must address the refineries otherwise every other thing will be battered on the sticky weekend. That's the truth about it That's just the truth. There are no no semantics nothing Adjust the refineries make sure they are working and when they are working, we are never going to talk of next month We are never going to talk of refining abroad. So you have addressed at least 70 percent of the problem There is a minute 30 percent have to do with corruption and tax Or it's a but you must address the refineries. That's simple as that. That's the major solution You must address the issue of refineries Okay, um, uh, the punch quickly Might just be the same thing that happened between aqua boom state and cross river state Where you know 76 oil wells were ceded, you know to aqua boom now about Do not come by us Bauchi and Gombe might be fighting or fighting already over new oil wells And we're here with no refineries who are still experiencing fuel scarcity and irony We're not even able to meet up with opec, you know quarter for production for Nigeria Now we have, you know states fighting over oil wells. How do you react and respond to this? That's right. That's right. It's actually a contradiction of power Uh, um They're fighting. Yes, it's good. Let them fight. I said I go over there. It's actually a matter of boundaries Yes They would not start realizing we won't work from me for the start during the five realizing what it takes I want the Niger Delta sufficient Where it comes to oil oil production or owning owning this, uh, wealth But the truth about it is, uh, mercy is normal. It happens with us by also You mentioned cross river even rivers and that's why I'm so this thing's happening because oil is it's money And any state that I have I mean automatically because richer Reacher really we are talking about rivers for example. They're talking about five ones. You're talking about biologists And so these are very state and it's because of the oil So it's what fighting for what fighting for now What the band of dust man commission should do is to define it because I tell you this might not work out to supreme court What what I mean? Watch out if you go to supreme court Because no state will want to let go no state will want to let go If any band of dust man comes out tomorrow to say this is this oil well belong to this state The other state will go to court and it will move out of supreme court They got between states it's supreme court The new state supreme court, so it will get up to supreme court So it's not something that you can resolve. It's not something that the band of dust man commission will resolve It's not something that the new state will resolve. I tell you the court will be the final of this matter All right And and just before we move away from the papers this morning We take a quick look at the daily trust newspaper The daily trust newspaper talks about bandits and another abduction of 46 in katsuna village The attacks When are we going to see an end to all of this attacks? I have seen it Of course Why we are not going to see an end to all of this attack mercy I'm I'm happy to to see that don't know that you hold me very high as spiritual It's interesting I look for believing I have the gift of Clegoean Or the gift of prophecy It's good. We are going to see an end to this attack when a leader Who really and sincerely wants to turn end to this attack assumes something We are going to see an end to this attack when we're right now the services are committed. I can tell you that they are more Complicated than they seem There they are more it's still free. It's not really for that It's not your brother after all What's that? Doing nothing if we had a couple of services after that time they will never try the issues But you know the same services you came up with and said they are so supreme. I said, so did nothing Yeah, it's a constant day So it's not about saying it And when they look at since they took over what has happened Of course, the continuity is not an overnight in the issue of pushing the element Cannot be overnight, but they have tried so when you have a leader A president that is committed to the elimination Of these criminals Then I tell you there might not be an end and I don't think there will ever be an end But there will be a reduction. We will have this there will be that even in America You can never have an end to primal stability But there will be a reduction and Nigerians will have this have that book That yes, they can once more travel from one end of the country to the other end of the country With minimum impacts Minimum you have any you can never complete that But with minimum I see you like also go back to the issue of oil But of oil at this point is in a different dimension and that's on the daily trust It talks about nmpc and chevron securing 610 billion naira funding to drill 37 oil wells All right, so um Are we ever going to get to a point of diversification? It feels like we're still very focused, you know on Oil we're discovering oil. We are still digging the oil wells But you know, are we going to get to a point where we diversify the economy? Especially when you look at the the pattern which the world is moving towards clean energy Yes, but these are these are private companies When you talk about diversification, you should be looking at the government These are private companies and Yeah, they are there to make money They don't know how to do this And they are not going to diversify because If they are sticky oil oil companies So When you talk about diversification, it should be the private companies It should be the private government And we have the issue of agriculture. I mean Before now, what was the main thing of our economy? The development we talked about in the days of the regions When I want to work in the way and go when the health suede And all the built is so car From agriculture This is from agriculture Cocoa and all those stuff So I do push everybody and of course there are other new areas that we can explore That is anyway That has to do with it. The private government are not the private to the bigger The private man or private company of private entity Result the right to Dive into what it seems to make more profit So I think it's a private company. I don't think it's in the federal government investing so much in the private company Federal government should be talking about diversification But the private companies it is within its remit to decide what's best what to do what seems best for itself Ok, we'll probably have to let it go at this point in time. Thank you so much for being part of the Breakfast of the press to be precise. We look forward to sharing your thoughts as we you know inch closer to 2023 Thank you. All right, then have a great day and compliment of the season That's the size of off the press would definitely return tomorrow with more interesting headlines And great analysis and insight. Let's take a break when we return we'll be looking at our first conversation Right. Yeah, he's still with us