 Haha, this is like when you go back to the town you used to live in and you like like I'll just head back to my house for a Moment. Oh crap. I don't live here anymore. It's the worst The second was I got into an actual argument with somebody Trying to handicap who was more likely to show up at dragon con you Tom Merritt making Yeah, Scott Johnson now both were low probabilities But I I I made the argument that Scott Johnson was more likely to come do dragon con than Then then than Tom Merritt was. Oh, wow. What say what say you I would I would call me the better bet honestly Because my my problem with dragon con is is a little bit money a little bit time and time is getting better now So once time loosens up That's that's really the problem whereas Scott just doesn't like to travel Well, yeah, but he also canceled his big thing with the idea with no I know I know so that definitely throws some more weight I was the other thing is I said if Scott does not go this year. He will never go This is the one this is the test year. Yeah, because if he realizes oh wait I also I was just tired and I Don't like traveling still then they'll just start up Nurtacular again and won't go anywhere. Yeah by the way breaking story from Reuters here I'm not gonna write it up per se But Reuters saying that Colin Crowell from Twitter met behind closed doors with the Senate Intelligence Committee So it's different Than the the testifying but it's related Here's his Twitter story, you know Twitter finds Russia today purchased 2700 or 274 thousand dollars worth of ads You know like Russia today for wherever it's funded and we can make decisions on whether or not we want it to exist in America At all but like it is a network Like a network that should have a digital ad budget Yeah, no, no no doubt like it's it's getting a little silly You know, there's it's one thing to pinpoint something. It's another thing to color widely Well, it's like it's like listen is Russia today the mouthpiece of Russia in America draped in like a hip cool millennial skin. Yes You could make the argument that You know, it's it's about as much of an argument as you know Amazon runs the Washington Post. It's like sure they they're probably going to Well, I mean, that's it's unfair to say. Yeah, I mean, you know, it is one minute guys It's just it's just a it's the Russian version of voice of America No, not exactly. No, because Voice of America is avowedly funded by the US government It's RT is is at least, you know on paper an independent organization Yeah, but it's funded by the government. It is. Yes. I mean, or is it more like PBS funded by, you know what I mean? It's like Voice of America is an operation of the government. I don't think RT is part of the government It may get money from the government RT is a brand of TV Novotsky an autonomous non-profit organization founded by the Russian news agency RA Novitsky Yeah, so it's kind of like the BBC. Actually I mean, it's a state broadcaster. Yeah, not VOA is not really a state broadcaster. It's a propaganda. It's a very clearly Yeah, it's a propaganda house All right, you guys ready? Wow Wow Wow Yeah Ready, yes. Yeah, okay. Here we go three two Apparently I wasn't ready. Oh Let's just delete that here we go three two The Daily Tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside organizations if you get value from the show Consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis coming your way Commercial-free find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for September Thursday the 28th Thursday September 28th. There's another way of putting it 2017. I'm Tom married joining me Justin Robert young alongside How are you Jerry? Oh, man? Great great great to be here very exciting topics that we have today We are we're in we're in a rich fertile news period. Yeah We're out of the summer the summer wide wide, but shallow news Lake Yeah, which will occasionally turn up an interesting fish. Don't get me wrong But we're we're into the deep-sea fishing of tech news now. I know this is where we find bodies Yeah Right sometimes literally thank unfortunately Roger Chang producing the show today as well. How are you Roger? I am fine All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know The LGV 30 is coming to the US October 5th for pre-order It's kind of a staggered release Verizon's gonna have it available for order and availability shipping on the same day AT&T I'll have it available for pre-order on the fifth But won't ship until the sixth and T-Mobile won't ship until the 13th Price is very per carrier, but it's generally around at $800 Mmm. Just in time for the Christmas season GoPro announced that its next camera the hero's six it captures 4k video at 60 frames per second 2.7k at 120 frames per second 1080p at 400 sorry 240 frames per second and it also adds touch zoom to the back GoPro claims the camera can offload video three times as fast as the previous model the hero's six cost $499 and is available today It's the hero they want, but is it the hero they need? Taiwan's Gogoro has expanded its electric scooter business to include Japan on the island of Ishigaki The scooters will be available through go-share starting in November users will pay based on how long and how far they Ride you love go-goro. Just admit it go-goro is one to watch. I'm just saying keep an eye Go marry go-goro Here are some more top stories Ikea has acquired task rabbit Which recode sources say will become an independent subsidiary task rabbit lets users hire people to do mostly manual labor like assembling furniture For you if you're thinking along the Ikea lines, but they'll also do things like pick up your laundry Etc about 60,000 workers use the platform to find work task rabbit has been conducting a pilot program with Ikea In the UK, but now it's just part of everyday business. I guess so here's what's really interesting about this I think we kind of identified three vectors that were curious number one. This is a The kind of company that would normally sell to a tech company. Yeah and now it is selling to really the oddest of of ducks in in our modern era as Toys R Us and and all these other gigantic retailers clothes. Yeah, so a brick and mortar retail Concept that stuck that is big box brick and mortar retail concept. Yeah The other thing is this did not sell Well, I tell you I think I think I combined two of the two of the really interesting parts. Here's the third Is this the death knell is this one at the death knell the culling of the people will do things for you Services task rabbit is one of the more successful of them as there are a few but they don't exactly turn the Profit nor do they necessarily scale. They also have very troubling employment problems as Uber found out. So if you are not in that top tier, are we gonna see these things get picked off or fold fairly quickly within the next Year? Yeah, because of those first two things you said about it's a startup being that not going to a big tech company And it's a retailer buying a startup. I don't know that you can make this precedent setting I don't know if this is something that will point the way for the sharing economy Ikea in their press release said hey, we're part of the sharing economy now like they see it as a positive They see it as a plus and task rabbit certainly has evaded some of the the worst accusations that uber for for sure and even Airbnb have had thrown at them, but but it's no saint It's you know, it's still paying people per piece and not providing benefits and and all of that sort of thing So I again, these are these are all systems where if you just want to have part-time work You just want to make a little money in your spare time They're great if you're relying on them to pay the bills and feed your family They are a stretch and you and it is very difficult to make your money at them I don't know that that matters to Ikea But it certainly might be why they keep it as a subsidiary instead of rolling it into the main company Well and for them you never know They have they have proven to been be resistant against the gravity of other retail stores up till this point But you know who knows that I think they're they're smart to kind of get into this this field I am not I'm tempted to make the jokes like they'll change the name to Tolkien for Instead of task rabbit or all of the delivery people will have to be flat But in all seriousness like this does fit into Ikea Fits into Ikea's business better than if then it fits into task rabbit if I'm task rabbit I'm like hmm. Okay. I guess I get a a solvent backer That's that's the positive for me as a task rabbit person on Ikea's side It's like oh, this is great We now own a company that can take a part and take a part They can fill in the gaps that we've had in our service Which is how do you get at home and how do you assemble it? and and so it's an optional Way to pay if you really want to save the money you cart it home yourself you put it together yourself But if you're like, you know, I I don't want to pay as much as a Scandinavian designs would charge But I've got a little extra to pay somebody to put this together for me. It's worth my time Certainly, so I think it makes a lot of sense and it plugs task rabbit into probably a very fertile market of consumers Which is people who are Re-doing their home moving into new places and probably have a lot of use for yeah A couple other helping hands rabbit fertile nice Version six of software for the Nvidia shield is out and includes Google assistant Users can control media playback search and smart home devices with their voice It has more capability than the previous Google voice search It can do everything that Google home would do with the exception of Timers alarms and phone calls and video also announced a $40 dongle that lets the shield talk to Zigby and Z-Wave smart things devices from Samsung Yeah, so this is basically letting Nvidia shield be a partial replacement for Google home without totally undermining the Google home It doesn't have the speaker built-in Although presumably your shield is hooked up to your television with which can take advantage of those speakers But it's more of a hey I can just tell my shield to switch channels fire TV has got that in the dongle that Amazon announced yesterday By having a man is on voice services in there So this is becoming one of the new killer features even Siri is available on Apple TV You got to hold the button to do it though here You don't have to touch anything you just say okay and the name of Google and then it Tell it what you want it to do Yeah, and and it's more Google territory right Google hey Here's another way that we can get our feature or all of our Services out there it makes Google voice better as we all know you know the more time that These programs spend dealing with voices and getting positives and false positives the better the product becomes yep They are the the last arms race. It's a voice race. The voice race is on Between Amazon and Google to get in as many devices as possible US Senate Intelligence Committee has asked Facebook Google and Twitter to testify in an open hearing Examining how foreign actors may have used social media to attempt to influence the 2016 election hearing is set to happen on November 1st Meanwhile right before the show started Reuters reports that Colin Crowell Twitter's vice president of public policy Was among company representatives who met behind closed doors with the Senate Intelligence Committee aides This was not part of this panel. That's going to be open to the public This was a private briefing and the Verge reporting that Twitter has disclosed that more than 200 Russia-linked accounts had been used to spread propaganda and misinformation on the company's platform So this is going from being a political story to being a story where the the Technology companies are being called up to Capitol Hill to state their views on what happened this is a very curious and Interesting situation that's unfolding because what you had seen to this point specifically post-notin was Silicon Valley Trying to draw lines in the sand between them and the government because that was what the their consumers wanted They wanted to show that hey look We are going to put you first before any at least specious kinds of claims on our data and your communication However, since this election was so divisive and there is a lot of hot topic out there right now about exactly how much Russia could have affected the election not only through dealing with the you know hack email stuff, but also with you know lawful purchases of ads that now you're seeing a lot of cooperation However, we're rather yes, and What we don't know and is fascinating the more we do know is Exactly what these messages were the the the ad buys that are being talked about here are within the hundred to two hundred and fifty thousand dollar range which in in you know layman's terms it'd be something that you'd be happy to find under your mattress, but is not gigantic in terms of Real digital ad spends and from what we've seen on Facebook a lot of the messages were not to a single purpose They were if anything meant to just so general divisiveness amongst the American electorate to which I would have to say You you want to tip the hat You know a fold over the the king on the chessboard because if you've looked at social media If what they wanted to do was get everybody angry and yelling at each other. Whoo Tell you what love is a battlefield. I would like to see Someone who has studied the effect of this. I don't think anybody's disputing that stuff happened But we're all jumping to conclusions one way or the other Saying it didn't have an effect. It did have an effect. It had this effect. It had that effect. It's common sense, right? And we can all have opinions. That's great But opinions are not the same as saying we we have a high degree of confidence based on Objective facts that this or that happened I would like to see them not call Twitter up and say hey did people buy stuff and have Twitter go Yeah, they totally bought stuff. I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't allowed that. I don't know should we have yeah Have somebody come up to Capitol Hill who has studied this and said, okay, you know We did an objective study we compared it to previous elections, you know We controlled for variables and we found that It had this effect. I'm not even saying what I what the effect that would be. I don't know I want to see some evidence-based testimony Not just a dog and pony show where you pull up people from tech companies and beyond that to be to be totally Frank. I Don't care about what happened I care what's happening going forward because we're going to be Whatever the ad spend was by nefarious characters from Russia or China or Iran or or anywhere else Number one there will be more nefarious characters that will try to influence elections going forward These digital mediums will only become more robust the ways that we can influence them by way of fairly small ad spends We'll become even more prevalent and we need to be looking forward and not behind on on stuff like this because Whether it be the DNC's hacked emails whether it be John Podesta whether it be WikiLeaks whether it be any of this There are some very very strong decisions that we need to be making going forward because the genies out of the bottle At this point if we're litigating what happened in 2016 We're you know, Dr. Dre and Metallica trying to sue Napster And that and that's what you want to see like what was the effect because that will help us prepare for whatever the next step is Rather than just having people Decide oh, I think it would be bad if these people were allowed to advertise So let's stop them because that that doesn't stop the next thing from happening. No Wired's back channel reports that former uber employee and founder of Otto Anthony Leventowski formed a non-profit Religious corporation called way of the future Buckle up kids According to state filings the mission of the organization is to quote develop and promote the realization of a Godhead Based on artificial intelligence and through understanding and worship of the Godhead Contribute to the betterment of society Now this wired story is mostly about Anthony Leventowski's life. It's like this is who he was This is how he started in engineering But they lead off with this little tidbit and say that although way in the future foundation did not get back to us with comments And I'm like really you're just gonna leave that there because that's at every other reporting of Wired's post is about this yeah, and I Don't know what to make of it. Is it a lark that Leventowski had that now that he's a very closely scrutinized public figure in the Waymo uber case that that got turned up I mean, I I have stuff like that, right? I'm I created an independent Republic when I lived in Austin in our apartment and I didn't file any state filings though So I didn't take it that far, but you know that that didn't mean that I really seriously thought I was seceding from anything It was just for fun Maybe he took the joke too far by filing or was he like trying to figure out a tax dodge here And is there is there a story to be had there? What are their filings with the IRS? Is he just kind of a weird dude who went on legal zoom, you know, yeah There's there's a lot of different ways you can go with this I don't necessarily want to look at this in any kind of nefarious or gawky kind of way It is a bit of a freak show story, but So you what? Uh, you know, I think uh leventowski and his new religion to the rest of the world Show me what you All right, finally facebook will launch a tool in india october 1st That will help match blood donors with hospitals blood banks and patients in need if you probably didn't realize this I certainly didn't before I read this story india On average and it varies by region Has about 10 less donated blood than it needs and users have been using facebook in india To help find donors a lot of times Patients friends or family have to provide the blood for them if they need an operation And sometimes they don't match up And so so people have been going to facebook groups and saying hey, I need be negative over here. What do you got? Is there anybody that that is willing to donate? And so facebook is seeing that pattern of behavior and saying well, let's start to formalize it now right now It's just about donors It's not about recipients yet, but facebook says they are working on adding a matchmaking system to this You know, and this is uh, good guy facebook, right? We can we can look at this and say this is not necessarily in in the way that we are certainly Have plenty on this show point it out whenever facebook wants to paint something that is very very Advantages to their core business as altruistic We we kind of you know Let everybody know that it is walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and it certainly seems to be a duck but You know much in the spirit of of zuckerberg's letter to the president or you know responding to the president yesterday Where he was talking about hey, look we connect a lot of people And we just want to find the best ways that we can make those connections better richer and and More fruitful and this is something that seems that facebook saw people were naturally doing this And so they peeled off an engineer or several engineers in some time to build a little tool that makes it go faster So good on yeah, I mean facebook's out for blood in a good way Your blood for other people not to themselves Hey, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlights.com Which is available as a podcast it's available on the anchor app And i'm very very relieved and pleased to say it is back available on the amazon echo as a flash briefing a huge huge amount of thanks To alex and dan who helped work through this problem and and figured out the solution Which eventually got it done. We never did hear from amazon about it, but Doesn't matter now it's back up and it's working fingers crossed that it stays working So if you have been frustrated by this or if you'd gotten rid of the skill It's safe to go back into the waters Put daily tech headlines back on your amazon echo. Thank you for your patience All right, uh, we got this topic started in the slack a couple of days ago The homeland security department here the department of homeland security in the united states has a plan To collect immigrant social media now. There's a lot of fear uncertainty and doubt out there around this Uh, i'm not saying there aren't things to fear or be uncertain about but you should be Uh fearful or uncertain about the right things if you've decided to become fearful or uncertain So let's talk a little bit about what is and is not happening All right Yes, there's a new amendment Updating records retention to include electronic methods not just paper methods for the information that is kept on immigrants This is not new. They've done this on paper for a long time. They've also been keeping electronic records for a long time They're amending the existing The existing rules to bring them up to speed to their current practices So these new rules are published in the federal register. They're open for public comment Which if approved would then become permanent in the register on october 18th now Part of what it adds it adds a lot of different things but part of what it adds is this Expand the categories of records to include the following country of nationality country of residents No seem pretty, you know, you weren't keeping them. They weren't keeping those electronically So country of nationality country of residents the uscis online account number social media handles aliases Associated identifiable information and search results now that social media handles and search results are the one that got people's attention Department of homeland security says the rules not new. This is not new policy. They've been doing this for a while They feel they have the right to do it because it's public information. They just want to be transparent about it So the things to keep in mind is the rule is not related to the granting of visas This is about immigrants not travelers That's the state department handles visa and there is an issue around social media and granting visas. That's a separate issue though Uh, it's not about border patrol checking your devices Okay, this isn't about will they search my phone also another issue But not this one By the way, border patrol agents said in july that they wouldn't search through a person's cloud data. So there's that It's not about asking for access to private communications Although there's a little bit of confusion about what they mean by search results It really is just notifying that public posts social media handles will be searched Yeah, we want to know that you're ace detect tom if you're immigrating although i'm a us citizen But whatever let's pretend i'm not We want to know your name is ace detect on twitter And then we're gonna that'll allow us to look at twitter if we need to they won't necessarily be looking at every single person The new rule is adding information to the alien file That is a file kept on all immigrants already. So this will go into that file It is acknowledging that the dhs collection retains public postings by immigrants in a database. So it is surveillance It is data collection And it is inclusive of usernames and search results on those names Now again people have asked for clarification when you say search results Does that mean i put in the name i get search results and i keep those search results as a record to see what comes up Or are you gonna try to get into people's accounts and find out what they've been searching for It seems inconsistent with the rest of it to think that that's what they want, but it is unclear Here's what's up for debate and here's what we're gonna talk about now for a couple minutes Should the government do this it's not illegal. We're not saying i let's be clear It is not illegal. This is public information. They're not going in and spying. They're not tapping They're saying we just want to know what your handle is and we're going to go search for it I can do that you can do that should the government do that as policy It's fair to debate whether they should do it or not not whether it's legal or not But whether they should does it have a chilling effect on speech? Just knowing that oh my gosh, you know if I say this publicly if I say this on facebook Somebody in dhs might see it And does it make the country safer? Is it worth all the trouble? Forget the trouble of the controversy. Is it worth the time and effort to maintain this database and collect this information? Those are the points that I think are worth debate. What do you think Justin? Well, let's start with the first one should the government do it I don't know if you can make a compelling case for why They should not if they're doing everything else Right like this is publicly available Data, they are effectively doing on a mass scale What you would do back in our Tom and I would do back in our our single days if we met somebody is you google their name and you know Look them up on facebook see see what is going on right like this is something that I mean the argument against it Though is that there's a difference between I'm in public talking to my friend Justin And I'm in public talking to my friend Justin and I know there are cameras and microphones everywhere Like this is putting cameras and microphones everywhere Well But these these are all things that you have done freely that you have that you have that you have put up I guess here's my point uh is Is it bad that they are doing it? Maybe is it something that I think we can ever really have any expectation to stop when it is public No, I I honestly I honestly don't and well and that's the reason I'm making the distinction between legal and not legal Making this illegal would be carving out a specific thing that the government can't do that you can and that's that's unusual Saying that this shouldn't be your policy like yeah, you have the right to do it But maybe you shouldn't I mean we have the right to do all kinds of things It doesn't mean we should always do them Uh and or or or that the government should do it as a rule, right? That these things should be taken into And that's the other that's the other thing to consider is what they're saying is we would like to we were we will occasionally collect this information They're not saying how often are they going to do it every time or are they going to only do it when they have suspicion If if you're telling me hey when we've got a character We're a little unsure about we want to have the right to be able to go look up their social media handle That seems perfectly reasonable Uh if they're saying just as a matter of course We're going to make sure every immigrant gives us their social media handles and we're going to search on them every time That starts to feel like waste if not overreach Sure It's also kind of the settling of the final frontier of the wild west that was social media, right? You know, uh, this is something that if you We should all at this point understand that our Our digital avatars and how they live their lives on twitter and facebook and snapchat and everywhere else are indeed The the actual Extensions of us and not these fantasy characters And if you do things that could jeopardize Your job or your livelihood or at this point in your citizenship, uh, that that you are going to be possibly judged for it, uh the I guess that's the thing is it should they do it. I I don't my my My heart says The the less that the government collects is is better but This is easier and programmable So almost definitely will this data be collected. Yeah, it will almost certainly be it starts to feel like Security theater to me to say hey, this is what we're doing So you can point to it and say we're doing it versus something that is necessarily effective Because it becomes well know it becomes well known that that they're searching through everybody's facebook and twitter posts People who really have something to worry about will start deleting those facebook and twitter posts Sure. I mean, that's the other thing is that that because of the the the battlefield in which we are talking now It's not like they're taking You know, uh, they're like they're not shooting a chip in us, you know as as we come into the country So they can track us. This is something that we can Smooth or or or not do or or not give all the same handles, right on the same token though In individual cases where there is definitely cause, you know, you can imagine such a case I would want them to have the the lateral ability to do this And maybe this is the only way they give themselves that ability Maybe they have to publish it in the register They say they're doing it to be transparent If that's the only reason and you could have been confidential Then it feels like theater then it feels like well, you shouldn't tip people off that you are doing this Just do no, that's that that's them avoiding The new york times article about how the governor can't yeah. Yeah building this. You're right. You're right Uh, that buzzfeed claims that a briefing document given to the transition team by the obama administration uh showed That Applicant data was successfully used to identify applicant social media accounts But the information in the accounts did not yield clear Articulable links to national security concerns buzzfeed Uses that as evidence to say like so this doesn't work I don't think that's enough data to know whether it works or not But I would like to see more on that. I mean that it kind of goes back to my earlier point About evidence I would like to see more to know like not only does it work? When does it work? When does it not work? When does it work? What do you have to know about a suspect for it to yield something? And if the fact that they're being transparent and letting people know that they collect this information Does that cause less usable information to be out there, etc, etc? Yeah, I mean Whenever you start talking about the government collecting more data and information on its citizenry and specifically its new citizenry specifically when we have Uh, a lot the the you know immigration is a large conversation in this country right now Uh, without getting too far into it So I think there's a reason why these stories kind of dovetail together as You know facebook and twitter are going to speak to you know investigators in washington and we have This immigration conversation this to me seems like the kind of story that blows up because It is hoisted up by these other stories not necessarily because it is a crisis in our uh You know in our in our government Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our show via the subreddit of the facebook group or the slack or the patreon Getting your feedback helps us make a better show every day You can post your comments about the shows on patreon patreon.com Slash dtns at our subreddit daily tech news show reddit.com and in our facebook group at facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show I want to leave you with the thought here from john Who wrote in and said hey all I just heard the details on face ID on today's show given by apple And specifically the fact that if the face is not recognized But the user puts in the password it will consider the face scan as a false negative and adjust its saved scan What will happen as my fiance grabs my phone as she often does Her face will get scanned then she puts in my password to use my phone Will the phones start mashing both our faces together? I guess this relates to the more general question of how can we give access to our secure devices to one other person Right now my fiance has a finger in my touch ID and she gets access to my phone that way Seems that face ID won't allow for a second face to be added So how can I share my device while maintaining the integrity of my own face scan? You know, this is something that i'm very curious about myself because I will certainly be getting the x uh, you know whenever I can get my hands on it and uh, my wife is Zealots she's a zealot when it comes to making sure she has both A pointer finger and thumb print on my touch ID. No kidding. I never even thought to ask Eileen for that nor has she ever asked me Oh, no, she we just make it like when we're driving. I'm like, oh, you gotta put your thumb on it So I can find them rude again. No, she uh, she she she uh, is very uh, very forceful about her Much like the government asking for Social media credentials. Have you asked her to show you evidence? Yeah, does she need this access to? Uh convincing about why she needs that so I was actually curious when I was watching that demonstration on whether or not There are multiple face profiles that uh that it will scan for yeah I mean because they have a multiple account Uh support for enterprise on ipads and stuff like that. I would like to know more about that as well Uh, I would also like to thank everybody at patreon for supporting us and getting us to our goal on monday Sarah lane will be on the show and be a regular on the show because of you guys We're also going to keep doing more and more the more you support us the more we do So i'm going to london. I'm actually going to england for a wedding But because you support us i'm going to do a show in london on monday october 9th Uh, it'll be a meet-up and a live recording of the show with will harris and ian morris You can get all the details at bit.ly slash dts london and friday october 6th Justin robber young you're going to be hosting an episode of dts live at la pod fest with special guest air in kitchen She ended morris jeff canada and allison chariden and you should find out more about that at la pod fest dot com Are you excited? Oh my lord, man. We got an all-star crew here We are going to knock the la podcast festival on its ear. Are you here? What when do you leave for for london thursday night? So you also will do this show meet you in sarah lane. We'll do this show next week We will do this show on thursday of next week Oh my lord And then you will do the all-star episode on friday go and then I go down to la doing a real quick shuttle run day trip Down to old la la land Just another day of sun for me and and uh the the all-star panel there at the la podcast festival It's a city of stars. Justin I mean, maybe we should just repeat that over and over and over again like the movie did Are they shining just for me? Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live on day through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 utc at alphakeak radio dot com and diamond club dot tv Our website is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with paul spain Wrapping up the microsoft ignite conference and len pralta will be here to illustrate talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Bob hopes you have enjoyed this brover Well done I have to say those new time codes are handy because even though we went a little long with a couple of segments I was able to adjust On the phone. I was going to ask you about one of those at line nine where it says 31 Are you saying that you should get through all three? um Like quick story hits in the minute Kind of yeah, okay Yeah, we should move through those pretty quick Because it took you four roughly it'll not for about three and a half took us three minutes this time. All right Well, we'll we'll play with it. We might have to increase it Just because I was looking it's like oh, that's a little optimistic sister already at two minutes Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I was yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we'll that's something we'll have to play with and then uh, yeah What do we got for titles? We got ikea of car carabinog Carabinog carabinog Go go go go goro Go go goro Always watching Ikea takes the rabbit to task Show me the feetons Facebook's out for blood. This is where we find bodies security theater versus all as an arms race Um, honest of ducks flip my game Love is a battlefield Is God a bot or not? Facebook says just got for your blood the government's always watching adding more hate to the haystack Welcome to America my home and ton is your best friend first friend It's still a background music for you Uh flip my gig Godhead facebook's, please Get like papers, please facebook's, please Except that you're applying as an immigrant So loud Great now i'm gonna have I'm gonna have it's an ikea song. I'm gonna have jonathan colman's titanitis Uh Okay, i'm missing something what is ikea of carabinog I don't Do you know jesson? chat room anyone Ikea takes the rabbit to task is clever I'm uncertain if it really works Oh, it's a rabbit Caterbannock. Oh, it's the beast of it's the money python That's the uh with the sharp pointy teeth. Thank you. Thank you strike it rich. Good one Do you want to know what who else had a monty python reference they didn't get Oh, it was uh, uh tim the wizard There was a tim the wizard reference, uh, uh on angry chicken and nobody knew it Some who call him tim Uh, yeah, i can't believe i missed the carabinog reference. I feel embarrassed now I'll tell you what it feels like kind of quaint now because it is back when back in my day My monty python was like the the the magna carta of all geekdom everything led back to it monty python Not anymore. That's what your old man would watch and then reference with his friends Now it's it's like an ozzy harriet ozzy and harriet reference was to us Well, because I think that that was like it for a while There was like three decades where they just made four things for geeks and now there's everything for geeks Uh, well, I don't know what to call this one. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna blank Ikea takes the rabbit to task Facebook's please I I kind of like facebook's out for blood Fud book Facebook's out for blood Yeah, I mean like yeah Did I put I I I actually put it in the description too Oh, did you Yeah, so that that works. What did I put? Facebook's out for blood in india in a good way All right, facebook's out for blood And what's really going on with the us dhs collecting immigrant social media info I'll listen more on tech magazine Did the balance search Or something more Whoa, what happened to your connection there, uh, roger? I mean we have it in my connection nothing. You're fine. Yeah, you go Yeah, you just kind of flipped you flipped out a phase there for a second Maybe you were Maybe I did Uh, I did not hear it, but I don't hear myself. Well, yeah, you wouldn't have It's just very disconcerting what I do I'm gonna write down paul westerberg, but that's not his name. That's the replacements Hi, we're the replacements Hey, we're the opening band So many good songs along those lines all the things They used to make me feel like I wasn't getting old and I was hip or old now Like what like paul and storm jonathan colton yeah apps Knowing about technology So, uh, we put up our poll for the new scott johnson. Justin. Robert young joint Oh the unfriend me unfriend me unfriend me if And uh the poll For our next episode, which will be tuesday list three choices health care okay and tifa Hmm and campus protests Hmm. They sound like categories on the Jeopardy. Yeah, I'll take campus protests for 200. Justin Uh, health care is is what people seem to want to talk about actually that's pro in all seriousness health care would be the one I would choose, I think That is because that is one particularly that affects everyone and The I don't know if you saw oprah's health care Or it wasn't health care. It was it was on the president's administration, but she had a 60 minutes thing Oh, yeah The one thing that it was funny to watch is everybody on both sides agreed on health care They totally disagreed on whether obama care should be repealed or not But when she got them to say well, what do you want from health care? Everybody agreed what they wanted from it And what is what is it that they wanted? Well, I wish I could remember better But it was like yeah, we we need to fix it so that it's cheaper and it covers more people They weren't affordable Yeah, you know coverage that covers things and nobody was against the government being involved in some way Yeah, I mean and I'm I'm probably not gonna We're gonna this is gonna be an interesting uh episode because I don't exactly know what my role Is best as on that show because I I I suspect it might be as More fact guy than opinion guy. Yeah, but or foil to scott just kind of Yeah But I do have very strong opinions on health care and by and large It's uh, you know a pedantic point that people Usually don't like because it doesn't fit into the binary argument Of like should the government be involved or should the government not be involved? Which is that We have a fundamentally broken system in which both hospitals and health care providers Inflate their prices and in insurance companies Uh play along with it Yeah, no, it's it's I've often are I like It's one of those complicated topics. The problem is if you try to go into any nuance there's people there's and there's a You know, there's a desire to kind of be super reductive on everything and to still You know, uh, uh point into something that either either yay or nay Yeah The thing that they they mentioned on the Oprah interview that I thought I finally remembered it is everybody thought That the of the affordable health care act Should be fixed Even the conservatives were like, we don't really care about repeal. We want it fixed and the liberals were like Yes, there are things wrong with it. It should be fixed like everybody agreed that it wasn't sufficient and it should be fixed. Yeah But what that fix is is is, you know, the other thing which is how to go about that fix. Well, and also it's like, you know Now what is happening? for mainstream republicans even Obamacare was always looked at as The gateway drug, right is that once you begin a massive entitlement program around health care That is so obviously designed Uh, you know poorly designed that it's going to to disrupt kind of other folks premiums that They were afraid and I don't think it is unreasonable that Big entitlements don't go away In fact oftentimes big entitlements get bigger bigger And uh, that this would be the playbook would be Obamacare goes out there It is popular for the reasons that it's popular but is ultimately not tenable And then the solution is Well, look how well this did Let's do single payer and that's what what, you know, the the republicans, you know They freaked out like that over Something that isn't anywhere close to single payer And we've we've actually started to stray into something that i'm sure a lot of you are enjoying but a lot of you have expressed very Uh, directly that you really enjoy daily tech news show because it gives you a break from these kinds of conversations So, I mean, I guess here's here's the other thing is what I want to do with with this is just kind of draw a big big big big circle, uh around the history of what The american government's relationship with the healthcare of its citizenry has been and uh, you know, what our philosophy has been, uh, and and and where we look to go uh And Yeah, I there's so much you can say about this talk with that I probably shouldn't say anything because it would just suck everything down the giant rabble Yeah, uh, I would I would mention that dan carlin did a really good episode on healthcare in his common sense podcast and that's worth taking a listen to There's some good stuff out there Um, but hey, how about them go garros? Go get out No, uh, you know you you mentioned this in the show that i'm i'm a fan of go goro I'm not really a fan of go goro like a fan boy of android would be a fan I am a fan. I'm not a fan I think go goro is worth watching Because they are doing what a lot of very successful companies have done Say google Where they find something that everybody's trying to do well and they've come up with a different way of doing it that seems to work So in their case what they're doing is saying let's not worry about recharging and putting out recharging stations Let's just create a way to swap out those batteries Let's make that efficient And let's not worry too much about how people access the scooters in taiwan You buy the scooters in paris. You rent the scooters in japan. You're gonna rent the scooters fine Whatever works. Let's just adapt the platform to the marketplace and make this work because in a place like taiwan There's a really bad pollution problem from this in a place like japan folks are just really into efficient transportation So I I think they're doing something interesting and my gut tells me They are going to keep Expanding and and kind of slowly Become predominant the way google google was just like hey those kids at stanford have this really good search engine I wonder if it ever would threaten alta vista, you know and 10 years later Wow google is more than a search engine. It's a really big company 10 years after that google needs to be broken up It's an antitrust monster Yeah, well, I think what what you admire about them is that they are also outside of the silicon valley Uh growth kind of bubble of like Like grow grow grow grow grow grow fast as possible fast as possible What do you need more money you get more money more money more people scale scale scale Who cares how much you're losing you're if you're if you're growing you're growing grow grow now think later grow grow grow and and then all of a sudden it's like okay Well, I know you started out as a way to find baseball cards, but now you're a cryptocurrency Whatever we're gonna sell you to Of microsoft because that's the only way we're gonna get 25 cents back on our dollar instead of grow grow grow There go go go go go Yeah, no, I think that what what you appreciate about them is that it's like all right. Let's Understand each market and spread intelligently Yeah, and it's always worth paying attention to the people doing the same thing differently with success Yeah, the big the first thing that caught my eye Was them saying we're gonna have a scooter service where we swap out the batteries. I'm like, oh, that's different I wonder if it'll work second thing that caught my eye was we actually announced a product at ces and shipped it Uh, and I'm like, okay people don't do that That's a that's a big step and then as soon as they went to europe Instead of just being like okay, we're successful in taiwan Let's replicate that in thailand and then we'll replicate it in china And then you know they went to europe and they did it differently. I'm like, okay, these guys are smart They're not just trying to do the same thing over and over again. So that's that's when I started to pay attention Well It's time for you to stop paying attention to us because we have to go So pay attention to yourself. You deserve it Give yourself a pat on the back. Give yourself a treat We'll see you tomorrow. See you, bud