 The history of democracy, the history of democracy, the history of democracy, the history of democracy, was first you had the KMT, the B-movie, the amazing movie, the B-movie, the B-movie, so why wasn't it in the, why didn't that democracy movement extend to the main line? My God, you yell a lot for a guy who's dodging a boxing match. I'm dodging the fucking boxing match. Yes, you are. Really? So you want me to dedicate six months of my time at the expense of my streaming career to train to fucking boxing? Wait, wait, wait, wait, you challenged Valsion since he didn't accept it. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Actually, actually, I did not. I did not. No, no, no. You fucking count. Oh really, really? Yeah, you're a coward. Look at this fucking liar, this fucking liar going on record, saying I challenged Valsion. Yes, you did. You called him a pussy for not accepting it. Hey, hey, no I didn't. Yes, you did. First of all, I'm scrolling to it. He says, let's have a boxing match, I will do, I'm, I'm, I'm with my boy Jackson on his roof smoking a cigar. I get this fucking DM. Let's have a boxing match. It'll be fun. And you, and then you, and then you ended? Then I said, then I said, okay, need one month minimum for training and promotion. So you agreed. That's reasonable. You agreed. You're right, you're right. But nobody told me you had experience. Wait, so the problem is you did this. Listen, listen, hold on, hold on. It's not something you just- Let's do MMA then. It's not just something you- Let's do MMA then. MMA is not a street fight either. So literally you're just saying let's go into an alleyway and fight. Would you know I can't do this? If you want, no, no, I'm saying if you want to test my manhood, that's on you. Well, I just think you're a coward and you backed out of it because then you learn to know how to defend myself. Why are you worth it to me? Because you challenge all these people. To what? You challenge Banna Panada, for example. You challenge them. You said you'd go to Argentina. Yeah. Then I say I'll go to your city. Yeah. Because your gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. And you accept my boxing bag and you backed out. So it's worth it to me. So somehow it's worth it to me. You dodged it because you're a coward. So let's continue. You're not a real man. You just- You're the same. You look like a fat, fuck- All right, all right, all right. So you would lose to a fat guy. You look like an in-bred fat in-bred. You lose to a fat guy. You lose to a fat guy. You lose to a fat guy. You lose to a fat guy. You lose to a fat guy. You lose to a fat guy. You look like an in-bred fat retard. So you'd lose to a fat retard. That's what you're saying. You lose to a fat retard. You lose to a fat retard. Oh, OK, the challenge? After the opening segments, we'll jump right into the, like I said, Q&A with a hard close-up. If you help me check that, 2.15, 14.15 for that. With that, who would like to go first? I'm fine either way. You go ahead, Dylan. OK. The history of Taiwan is a history of struggle, whether it be the indigenous people's movements against the Qing dynasty, which they struggled dearly. I believe one of the phrases was, every three years in insurrection, every five years in uprising, all the way to modern ages, as they try to make a bulwark against an invading force, which is consistently tried to be aggressive against the new state of a democratic republic of China. If the question is, is Taiwan a part of China, the answer is, yes. It is part of the Republic of China, Taiwan. When we talk about the justification from a historical perspective, you could look at the resistance movement against Japanese, Spanish, Dutch, and Chinese imperialism in what you can call Taiwan, what you can call the government Taipei, or even the Republic of Formosa, if we're talking about the Japanese. It has a history of democracy. If you look at the Republic of Formosa, the declaration that they put out, it was very Parisian in nature. It was, we are establishing a republic in here to defend against the Japanese invaders. That was in 1895. And when we talk about the modern history of Taiwan, it is a struggle to not only develop an identity, which is a new one, one that is Taiwanese in nature, when the vast majority of the population now identify as Taiwanese, they have their own language, they have their own currency, they have their own judicial system, they have their own military, they have their own laws, they have really their own nation. But it's not a nation in the eyes of some. Why? Because they're plain pretend. They're plain pretend. If I was to take out this phone in my pocket and say, this is not a phone, now it functions in every way as a phone. I can turn it on, I can text, I can call, I can do all these things, but it's not a phone. I'm not being honest with you. I'm lying for any number of reasons. In this case, people are lying because they don't want to piss off the People's Republic of China, the mainland government. Now, let's talk about the conclusions if someone was to say, you know what, I disregard the historical basis for Taiwan's independent struggle in the indigenous community, or its own language, or its own identity that's developed, or the fact that they want their own democracy, I disregard the historical basis. Let's talk about the reality of disregarding that historical basis and saying that the Taiwanese cannot have their own state, and this is merely an internal affair. Taiwan is a nation of 25 million people. It is one of the most dense nations on earth, 17, when it comes to density. If you listen to the Taipei Times, it's actually first if you exclude mountainous reasons. Syria was 20 million, and it ranked 67th on the density scale. If we were to drop our support for Taiwan, the likelihood of war would skyrocket as the leverage that Taiwan has in upholding its democracy would vanish, and a war across the Taiwan Strait would be an absolute disaster. Not only would a refugee crisis spiral out of control worse than what we saw in Syria, but America would actually be one of the prime recipient of refugees, because the Taiwanese community has deep ties to California, and many of them would be fleeing persecution, political persecution that is, from the government coming in. That is something we would have to feel the full effects of. The semiconductor industry, which the world relies on, when one company within Taiwan, the TMSC produces 50% of the foundries necessary for semiconductor production, that would take a hit. International trade would take a hit. Our trade with that nation would take a hit. America's reputation would take a hit, not to even talk about the civil liberties that the Taiwanese have fought against, say, Chiang Kai-shek, for example, to develop. That's another thing. Many people will talk about the white terror or Chiang Kai-shek's government or the brutality of it, and we use that as a justification to delegitimize the Taiwanese people and their struggle for independence. Well, that's interesting, since the people that Chiang Kai-shek purged first were the independence advocates. Chiang Kai-shek wanted to reconquer the mainland, and so he purged the indigenous people's advocates for an independent Taiwan, and those people fought for years to have a democratic Taiwan with his own system of governance. So I'm not gonna ramble anymore. I have a lot of points I wanna go into and a lot of questions for Ha's about the conclusions that would come from his worldview here, but I'll just stop it there. So there's three points I wanna address amidst all of that. Firstly, let me preface this by saying, there is absolutely no historical basis for the region of Taiwan to be a separate country from China. The history of the relationship between the Han Chinese and the indigenous people of Taiwan is a rather interesting one. The only problem is that Taiwan is currently around 98 to 99% Han Chinese. So there's absolutely no basis in the historically indigenous people of Taiwan for the indigenous, sorry, foreign independence movement. As a matter of fact, some of the most renowned indigenous politicians within Taiwan are the most ardent advocates for unification and anti-independence. So it's rather interesting that the indigenous people of Taiwan, by and large, are against independence, whereas some Han liberal elites within Taiwan, pro-American, are the most in favor of independence. So this talk of the indigenous struggle against the Qing or the Han Chinese is a complete nonsensical non-factor in the question of whether Taiwan is a country or not, because indigenous people do not factor whatsoever in the question of whether Taiwan is an independent country. Now, second of all, in the history, I will concede that politics has oftentimes played a role in defining nation-states. France was a historically united region based on the kingdom of France and the common shared language, customs, et cetera, but it did not become a nation-state until it was united by the republic in ideals of the French Revolution. So I will concede that politics often plays a part, politics and religion in the formation of nations. The only problem is that China is not just a nation. It is not a nation-state. It is a 5,000-year-long civilization that has endured many different types of political systems and political forms, while nonetheless maintaining being the one country of China, the one civilization of China, China, the middle kingdom of the world, basically, is how it conceived itself. So this 5,000-year-long civilization is not reducible to a certain political project or a political ideal, which is actually something, sorry, the nationalists like Chiang Kai-shek were able to respect and acknowledge throughout the entirety of the Republic of China's struggle against the People's Republic, a civil war that technically did not end. Both Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Zedong recognized that there is one China. They were merely disagreeing over who should rule that one China. And the independence movement of Taiwan has never been popular. It's always been a marginal phenomena. A phenomena we can infer was definitely propped up by the Americans. Chiang Kai-shek himself had to butt heads with the Americans and engage in minor diplomatic conflicts with the Americans who were pushing independence. The founding mission of the Kuomintang, sorry if I mispronounce it, the KMT was one China. The notion that Taiwan would become an independent effaces the very foundation of Taiwan as a so-called separate country from the People's Republic. The founding mission of the Kuomintang was based on the ideals of Sun Yat-sen for the unification and rejuvenation of the 5,000-year-long Chinese civilization on the basis of the ideals of the modern world. Now, finally, the notion that a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, Chinese invasion of China, in other words, would lead to a refugee crisis assumes that the people of Taiwan, the Chinese people of Taiwan, are willing to fight to defend the status quo that is now in place. Every form of research and study that has been conducted among the people of Taiwan has shown that they are not willing to take up arms, they are not willing to have any bloodshed to prevent unification with China. So there's no impetus for the people of Taiwan to, why would there be refugees when there would be no conflict to begin with? China, if hypothetically this would happen, would simply come in, and finally, I wanna make one last point. The notion that Taiwan's current constitution and laws and whatever would be destroyed upon unification gravely misunderstands the current Chinese system. The Chinese system, the precedent set by Hong Kong, is of one country, two systems. Many different systems can exist under the sovereignty of one China. And China has expressed, the People's Republic of China has expressed its fullest intention to allow the people of Taiwan to maintain their specific system so long as they acknowledge there is only one China. I rest in my case. So the first thing I wanna say, so there's a bunch of things that were wrong there, but I'm just gonna start with the indigenous communities. The indigenous community make up 2% of the population. That is true if we're just talking about people who just primarily indigenous, if we're not talking about people who are culturally indigenous, or we're talking about interfaith marriages we're just gonna talk about the 2%. They make up 2% of the population, yet 60% of the nation's special elite forces, 60%. They make an extremely disproportionate amount of the nation's military. The military that defends Taiwan, the indigenous community, which you say, oh, there are many of them love the idea of Chinese invasion or Chinese coming or any of these things. That's not what I say. They vastly support Taiwan being independent and number two, they are overrepresented when it comes to the military. And if you talk about them being KMT loyalists, that's true. A lot of people support- The KMT wants one China. Stop interrupting me, Hans, okay? This isn't the internet, we're in person. So what, I don't care if it's not on the internet, why do I give a shit? Okay, calm down, Hans, please. Anyway, the indigenous community are overrepresented in the military because they're willing to defend Taiwan and the system of governance that has slowly evolved on across the Taiwan strait. Studies show otherwise. That's not true. By the way, the studies you referenced when it comes to, oh, but the Taiwanese people would not defend. According to the Taipei Times, two thirds of the population of Taiwan have said they'd be willing to pick up arms in defense of Taiwan. Two thirds of the population- That's bullshit. That's just true. That's 100% bullshit. I'm just- If the Taipei Times has said two thirds of the people of Taiwan are willing to take up arms, the Taipei Times is lying. Well, then you're lying to me right now. That's just true. There's no way for us to independently verify this right now, so I'm accusing- Anybody can Google it. Google it. Everybody at home Google it. Then Google it at home. Two thirds. Look up, actual, look up, inform studies. The surveys have shown, the polling has shown, people in Taiwan are not willing to risk any bloodshed in the midst of a Chinese, People's Republic of China. That's not true. Two thirds of the population- You have one source and multiple sources- But you haven't even- Okay, source one study then. I'm Google it at home. Yeah, okay, so I have one source, you have no source. Oh, you brought a fucking binder and I came empty-handed, good luck. Well, that's your fault. You should have come prepared. Well, actually Dylan, the thing is I don't need a binder. That's the thing, I don't need to take- Communist work ethic, huh? Yeah, listen, the thing is I don't need a binder. I don't need to cite a one study from the Taipei Times to the extent of my familiarity, the people of Taiwan are not. It's up to the audience to independently verify it. I can trust that I'll come out on the right when it comes to that. Sure you will. Okay, so when it comes to the KMT, the KMT has lost the two elections. When it comes to the idea that- But the indigenous support the KMT- Let me finish. Wait, wait, you can't keep- You may not- You may not run to me, okay? I'm talking whether you like it or not. So the KMT, this is about a different point, so this is why I can calm down. The KMT, when it comes to the independence struggle and whether independence is popular, have lost the two last two elections. Saiyan Wen has won the last two elections in decent amounts in the Democratic Progressive Party, which is the party that she's a part of, is the independence party, the pro-independence party. And she has stated on multiple occasions and has been reelected on the platform of, Taiwan does not need to declare independence for we are already independent. She points to the judicial system. She points to the military. She points to the language. She points to a separate history. She points to all these things for a justifiable reason to show that Taiwan is independent and the world is upholding a facade that it isn't an independent nation. They're pretending. The thing is, if I go to Taiwan Hawes and I call the Chinese police, the mainland Chinese police, if I'm getting mugged, they're not gonna show up. You know what's gonna show up? The Taiwanese police. In a region of China, it would work the same exact way. You're not gonna call the region in Southern China if you're in Northern China. What a stupid point. Second of all. Wait, are you really saying that the Chinese government has authority over the Taiwanese government? It doesn't have authority in Hong Kong. It doesn't. It doesn't have authority in Hong Kong. It doesn't have authority in Hong Kong. No, it doesn't. Wait, you're telling me. Are you telling me? Yeah, it doesn't. It has an extradition law. It sends agents into Hong Kong. Don't yell at me before your voice. The US sends agents all over the world. So what? But they do it because they're trying to exert their direct authority on them. China has agents in Taiwan. And it is slowly absorbing them. China has agents in Taiwan. That they are trying to enforce their authority. For example, in Hong Kong, let's talk about the two countries. China has agents in Hong Kong and in Taiwan. Let's talk about the one country, two systems. He thinks it's so favorable. Even though the Taiwanese people are horrified at the notion, they definitely have to develop it in Hong Kong. And Hong Kong, due to recent legislation that was passed, if you boo the Chinese national anthem, you can actually go to prison for that due to national security legislation that the Chinese government has put in there. There's similar laws in South Korea. And that came from, and I disagree with those laws. And that came from- So why are you blaming the People's Republic? That's Asian culture. Because that came from- That's part of East Asian culture. You don't disrespect the national anthem. Wait, not Taiwanese culture. If I go to Taiwan and I say, fuck Taiwan, fuck the government, boo the national anthem, they won't arrest me because they have a dedication to democracy unlike the mainland government. That's only recently because of liberalization efforts that came at the expense of the status quo with the KMT. But moreover, there's a number of points you weaseled your way out of. So I wanna pin you down on those points. So first of all, you claimed that, first you made the claim that the overall majority of the armed forces are made up by indigenous people. That's not- I never said that, I said the special forces. The special forces. That's not because they're pro-independence. They have always been a stronghold of KMT loyalism and fierce anti-independence sentiment. So you was just a complete non-point. You mentioned the president of Taiwan say that we're already a country you wanna maintain the status quo. Then maintain the status quo. But try to change your official name to the Republic of Taiwan and see what will happen. It is the Republic of China that is the current status quo. She's saying we basically function already as another country. That's her opinion. See what happens when they try to make that formal or official and see what the response is going to be from China. If Taiwan attempts to pursue secession from China, China will act swiftly in response. And the U.S. can't do a goddamn thing about it whether you like it or not. Military planners just agree with you, but that's besides the point, we're not- They can't do a goddamn thing about it. We're not talking about strategy. I'm sure you're not a military general, okay? No matter how many Soviet caps you put on. Then just wait a few years. We will wait a few years and we'll see what happens. Anyway, when it comes to the idea that the indigenous community, they don't support an independent Taiwan, even though they were at the front and center of every single independent struggle in Taiwanese history, they were at the front and center. They were the first purge. Against the Han Chinese who are 98%- They were the first, they were the first purge by Shanghai- There's no continuity between the historical struggles of the Taiwanese indigenous population and the current Taiwanese independence movement, which is overwhelmingly dominated by Han Chinese liberals. And led by them. It's because it's 98% of the population, but we're talking about a disproportionate amount in the military, specifically the special forces. So why is there a disproportionate amount in the special forces, but not a disproportionate amount in the independence movement? In the independence movement? It is a disproportionate amount. No, there isn't. Yes it is. What percentage of indigenous people support the independence movement? I don't know the exact percentage, but neither do I. It's not two thirds. Okay, tell me your percentage. It's not 50%. Tell me your percentage. It's not a third. Tell me. It could not be more than 20%. Do you have any data for that? I'm willing to risk everything by saying that. Everything? Yeah. Wow. Even your soul? Okay, I'm already doing that by debating you right now. Yeah, I'm sure you are. Okay, so what was the second point you made? There was a second point besides that. The second point was about the history of nation states and politics. Okay, well, that wasn't what I was going to, but I'll address that anyway. So even if we were to disregard all historical basis for Taiwan being an independent nation when it comes to its long struggle of independence, let's just talk about modern history then. The people of Taiwan struggled against Chiang Kai-shek's white terror, and if any of you don't know what the white terror is, the white terror was a system of purges that Chiang Kai-shek and his sons until about 1987 from about 1950, I forget exactly when it started, purged independence advocates and opposition to the government. They were scared that this would jeopardize their ability to reconquer the mainland of China since most of the independent struggle didn't really have any interest in invading to the Chinese mainland and reconquer it, and so they purged them. Hundreds of thousands were purged, to be exact, and those people struggled for years until the 1990s when they were eventually able to actually get a democracy, and that history of struggle is the history of modern Taiwan, struggling against the authoritarian system and government that was in place, and then they were able to institute a liberal democracy, which they have to this day. Do you disagree with the fact that liberal democracy? Of course I disagree. It's not a liberal democracy. The military might of the Kuomintang is the foundation of Taiwan as having any political independence from the mainland whatsoever. It is the arms taken up by the KMT that has secured that, and it is for the same reason that it's the arms of the special forces that you're talking about made up by the pro-KMT loyalists. I mean, the KMT are the ones who are securing the political independence in the first place. If these liberals wanna go in and have democracy, their democracy has not secured any... You're not addressing any of the problems. The liberal democracy you're talking about has no basis in any sovereign power. Okay, I don't... It has no basis in any military power. You're not addressing my point. The same power that made Taiwan possible as a separate state in the first place is something the liberal Democrats have no stronghold in whatsoever. So it is only on the basis of the ideals of the KMT and the view that there is one China that has kept Taiwan separate from the mainland in the first place. Okay, you're floundering. But when it comes to... Can you address the point that I'm floundering? You never addressed my point. What's your point? My point was that the modern history of Taiwan when it comes to the population is a history of struggle against the authoritarian system that Chen Ka-cheng... But in so far... Let me finish, please. But first you have the game... I'm not gonna let you... I heard what you said. I'm not gonna... I'm not finished talking... Finish, finish. Go ahead, Dylan. Finish. I will finish. Yeah. And you'll be quiet. Wait, really? Will I be quiet? Yeah, you will be quiet. I'm bound of what? Me, because I'm talking. Because it's a debate. It's a conversation. Okay, okay. Don't sit here and say you will be quiet. Well, then be quiet. I'm not gonna fucking be quiet. Be quiet. If you tell me to be quiet, I won't be. How about that? Okay, you won't be? No. Okay, then yell, please. Yeah. So would you basically say... We said that's okay. You can keep yelling. You can keep fucking yelling. You can keep fucking yelling. The history of democracy... Okay. ...was first you had the KMT... The B-movie in the amazing movie. So why wasn't it in the... Why didn't that democracy movement extend to the mainland? Because the democracy... Because it's a separate fucking territory. Exactly. Because it's a separate territory. It's a separate territory. It's a separate territory. It's a separate territory. Because the KMT secured it as such. Okay, calm down. Yeah, that's the only reason it's a fucking separate territory in the first place. Stop swinging out and calm down, okay? You're a time waster. You bullshit and waste time. You're not letting me speak. You're a fucking time waster. You need to shut the fuck up. Jesus Christ. Go ahead, say your piece. My God. Okay. So the history, finally for the fifth time. The history of modern Taiwan is a history of struggle against political authoritarianism. Particularly Chiang Kai-shek, okay? Chiang Kai-shek, he did a white terror against the people of Taiwan. And they fought for their freedom. And they earned it through blood and sacrifice against the government. And for the last 30 years, they've upholded a democracy which through that democracy and the consent of the governed, they have been able to elect democracies and politicians who represent their interests. And the vast majority of the people within Taiwan support continuing the status quo. And second, if you would have followed the status quo, is the independence when you check polling. The reason why they choose the status quo currently over independence is purely because if they were, and I agree with Ha's on this, to declare independence right now, they would be bombed to shit and millions would die. It would be a disaster. That's a terrible thing, by the way, that a nation and its people declaring independence, even though it's already independence, the South China. would result in a bombing and destruction of a sovereign people with its own identity, culture, language that has started and continues to separately develop from the Chinese. What happened to the Confederates? Only, let's talk about that. What is the current evil that the Chinese government used to cede from a sovereign territory? You asked me a question. The sovereign is not going to tolerate secession. You have to be able to respond to the question, Ha's. Yeah. Okay, so the difference between the Confederacy and when you talk about this government. The evil is this, from the Chinese perspective. It is cutting off a piece of China and basically submitting it to foreigners. China has endured the century of humiliation. It remembers the century of humiliation. China will never submit to the dominance of Anglo-Saxon imperialists and it will refuse this unbond of war. So if Taiwan were to commit so-called independence from China, it would become a satellite state of the Americans. China is not going to tolerate a piece of its territory being cut off. If people try to take China's territory, they're going to be met with a swift response. It's interesting that I say people. When the people were talking about or the people who live there, those are the people who would want it to be a sovereign nation. It's not the Americans coming in invading. They don't. Just shut the fuck up, please. They don't. You've got to let me speak, okay? My God, fucking, Jesus. Okay, so the people there overwhelmingly, and there's no data you can provide that rejects this, do not want to be part of the mainland government under any circumstances. That's not true. Only 6%, only 6% of the population actually won reunification eventually or immediately with the mainland government. Only 6%, that means 94%. The data you're going to cite, I don't know what it's from. It's from the Beijing Times. Yeah, yeah. Why should I trust the Taipei Times but not the Beijing Times? Okay, tell me what's wrong with the Taipei Times. I can tell you about the state funding that comes from certain news publications that publish the data. There's no difference. So my source versus your source. I've just told you about the funding. That's the difference. Okay, what's the funding difference? Taipei Times isn't funded by the Taiwanese government. Oh, it's just funded by private corporations that prop up the government. Okay, so there's no source that I could source you. First of all, there's two points because you weasel the way out of the first one. Then I'm going to address the second one. The first point is simply this. You're giving this sob story about the history of democratic struggle within Taiwan. All of that still rests upon the foundational bedrock of true sovereignty. Sovereignty in the true Hobbesian, Carl Schmitt sense of sovereignty as in being able to enforce a state of exception, which is the KMT's military might. They have not changed this foundation and the KMT has founded its founding mission was based on one China. Now the second thing we're talking about is whether which sources are, sorry, or sorry with the polling data. Polls have shown that the majority of it is true. People in Taiwan want to maintain the status quo, but as far as the Taiwanese people, whether they want to along the road eventually become independent or along the road want to join with China, both of these are smaller than the percentage who say they either don't care or they would not care either way. So what you're saying is patently wrong. Both of these people, eventually independence or eventually unification, both are a small minority of Taiwan's population. Okay. So the first thing is on this Hobbesian nerd shit, okay? So I don't care about any of that. I'm going to be completely honest. What I care about- You're not educated. Okay. Just like you don't care about China's history. Okay. Shut the fuck up. Okay. So the thing is I can care about one thing and one thing only here and that's the consent of the governed. And as a patriot- That's based on philosophy. You don't want to talk about Hobbes or Carl Schmidt and don't talk about abstract philosophical principles like the consent of the government. Just keep fucking going. I can test your foundational political philosophy. You're trying to impose a statement. If you don't care then don't fucking debate. Well then don't talk to me. If you don't want to talk to me, if you don't think of this- If you want to run from the debate- Walk out of the room. You can walk out because I'm talking about what I want to talk about. But I'm talking about- I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Then walk out. My God. You yell a lot for a guy who's dodging a boxing match. I'm dodging the fucking boxing match. Yes you are. Really? So you want me to dedicate six months of my time at the expense of my streaming career to train to fucking boxing? Wait, wait, wait. You challenged Valsh and said that he didn't accept- No I didn't. Actually- I got the point. No, no, no. You fucking coward. Oh really, really. You coward. Look at this fucking liar. You're going on record. You're a coward. Saying I challenged Valsh. Yes you did. You called him pussy for not accepting it. Hey, hey. No I didn't. Yes you did. First of all, someone came in my fucking chat. Look at that. And asked me. Someone came in my chat and asked me, would you fight Valsh for a prize money of $50,000 or $80,000? Fuck yeah I would. Then you challenged Madam Panada. That would cover all of the streaming, all of the fucking yearly costs. I could sacrifice my streaming career to fucking do that. So of course I'm gonna accept that. Furthermore, you're a fucking nobody. And Valsh has some clout. So there's something there to gain from that. I'm bigger than you. You're bigger than Valsh? I'm bigger than you. How long have you been in the scene? You got your shit. How can you call me money money money money money? You got all your fucking clout from the November election. I'm rapidly rising, average 600 views. I see your viewership when I'm live. You don't have more fucking views than me. I already fucking outpaced you Dylan. And I've been here less time than you have. What happened to being for a showdown? What happened to the showdown is that I came to LA for a month. One month. Oh yeah? One month. I went to LA for a month. I went to LA for a month and got COVID. That's what fucking happened. How could you be so manly online to be such a coward? How am I a coward? You're a coward because you go out like you're a big strong man. I am. You wanna fucking test me outside? Are you really gonna strike me right now? I'm not. I'm saying you wanna ask if I'm a big man or if then go ahead and test me outside. You really wanna go outside and fight me right now. You can test me. You're free to test my man. Dude, don't. You're free to test my man, Dylan. I, you said. Don't assume that a fucking boxing match with rules. Hey, don't assume a fucking boxing match with rules is gonna be the same as a street fighter. You know what happened all the time? Then test me. Then test me. Then go ahead and test me. They all got obliterated. They all went away, okay? The problem is infrared. You asked me, here's all the conditions. You said first, we're gonna, okay, it's Michigan. It's a Detroit. It's gonna be at this gym. It's gonna be 10 routes. And I mean every single one of the things you asked me for that. No, it's not. And then you asked me that I know how to defend myself. I have the DX. And now you're power. I have the DX. Go get them. Yeah, I challenge you. I challenge everyone else. I have the DX. Get them. I have the DX. Here's Dylan. So here's what happened. Actually, here's what happened. It was 3 AM my time in LA. This psychopath, coping loser, he's up at 6 AM all night. He's seething about me, thinking about me. I was banned on Twitch. I forgot who this fucking guy was. He DMs me. He goes, what a weirdo. He goes, look at this. I'm scrolling to it. He says, let's have a boxing match. I'll do it. I'm with my boy Jackson on his roof, smoking a cigar. I get this fucking DM. Let's have a boxing match. It'll be fun. 3 AM. Then I said, okay, need one month minimum for training and promotion. So you agree. That's reasonable. You're right. You're right. But nobody told me you had experience. Wait, so the problem is you did it. Oh. Listen, listen, hold on, hold on. If you don't recognize that boxing is about experience, you're a fucking idiot. Boxing is all about experience. Exactly, that works. It's not a street fight. It's not a fucking street fight. It's not something you... Let's do MMA then. It's not just something you... Let's do MMA then. MMA is not a street fight either. So literally, you're just saying let's go into an alleyway and fight. Would you know I can't do that? If you want, no, no, I'm saying, if you want to test my manhood, that's on you. Well, I just think you're a coward and you backed out of it because then you learn to know how to defend myself. Why are you worth it to me? Because you just go around and you challenge all these people. To what? I was bad at Panada, for example. You challenged me. You said you'd go to Argentina and I say I'll go to your city. Because your gym... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was willing to go there for him because I hate the guy that much. Uh-huh. And you accept my boxing back? So it's worth it to me. So somehow it's worth it to me. You dodged it because you're a coward. So let's continue. You're not a real man. You just... You're saying... Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. You can keep talking about a real man. You look like a fat fuck. All right, all right, all right. So you would lose to a bad guy. You look like an in-round, you lose bad at UTS. You'd lose to a bad guy. You lose to a bad guy. You lose to a bad guy. You lose to a bad guy. You stand back. So let's continue. So Dylan... Dylan kept asking for blood. So wait, I'm a bad guy. So you'd lose them. You look like an in-bred, fat retard. So you'd lose them all about retard. That's what you're saying. Dylan, you lose them all about retard. You lose to a fight by retard. Okay, the challenge is out there. Wrap this up real quick. He kept asking me 21 questions like, what's your weight class? Where do you want to have it? How many rounds do you want to have? And I was just responding to you. I didn't impose all these fucking conditions on you. You got to ask me to do this. I made sure that all the... Then you said 10 rounds and I say, hey, that's ridiculous because you don't know anything. And then you were like, no, we have to do 10 rounds. I'll make sure it's 10 rounds. No, what you said is that... You didn't know anything about... You said a gym would not allow 10 rounds. Yeah, of course they would. I said, I could fight. I said, I could... 10 rounds or an after round. I said, I know of gyms in Detroit that will tolerate 10 rounds. And I'll get that. I didn't force the condition. And I agreed to it anyway. I didn't force any conditions. If you had a problem with that, you could have said so. And I agreed to... Okay, so I think where we've gotten to with this is there may be a boxing match in the future. But being said now, you guys had loved it a little bit about the will of the people, the history of China. Let's wrap it up for the next few minutes. Closing that one, if we could avoid the boxing discussion. I didn't feel he can start out. And so we'll do that and open it up to questions and answers at that point, so... Yeah, Taiwan is not a country. The overwhelming majority of sovereign countries in the world, if not almost pretty much all of them, don't recognize it as one. They recognize it as a vague breakaway province that's still struggling with the central government of China. The country of Taiwan, supposed country of Taiwan, the official government is called the Republic of China. There has never been a significant dispute as to whether there is one China or not. This issue has been forced by the Americans. And it's as simple as that. Both the KMT, which founded Taiwan as a separate political territory, and the Communist Party of China, both have always agreed there is only one China. The pro-independence movement has never actually changed the foundation of Taiwan as being based in the foundational ideals of Sun Yat-sen, which are also shared by the Communist Party of China. Okay. So the first thing about international recognition that needs to be noted here is international recognition matters not at all in my opinion when it comes to designating whether a nation is a nation or not a nation. Because if that's the case, then the mainland was not a country until what, 1971, when it was admitted to the United Nations? Or was it a country when the vast majority, when the majority of nations finally tipped from Taiwan to China, mainland China, that is, when it comes to recognizing what country is and isn't the actual China? Because if that's the case, then what we're saying is that the mainland government wasn't a country until 1971, but 1970, it totally wasn't a country, even though it had all the trappings of a country. International recognition doesn't matter as much to me when it comes to this. Definitely when it comes to the idea of like, well, what about these superpowers that recognize it? Well, America doesn't recognize it. That doesn't matter to me. Doesn't matter to me at all. If every nation in the world tomorrow said we no longer recognize the United States as a nation, that doesn't mean the United States is no longer a nation state. It has all the trappings of a nation state. And when you look at Taiwan, it has its own language. It has its own separate history. It has its own language. Yes, you don't know about 70% Taiwanese language. You don't know that? How is it a separate language? They speak Chinese. Okay, you don't know what you're talking about. Anyway. There's dialects of Hanshineese with Hanshineese too. It's my outro, okay? So fucking stupid. Yeah, you are, you're right. Okay, so the thing is, they have all the trappings of a modern state. They struggled for to build a separate system of governance, a democracy within Taiwan against an authoritarian system. They've seen the offer from Hans and his buddies, the two, one country, two systems. They saw it play out in Hong Kong and the support for independence skyrocketed after seeing the result of that. Cause they don't want that for their future. And let's say that everything, every single thing Hans said about the history of Taiwan is completely true. United States did not exist until 1776. Nations can be built with complex cultures and history in the blink of an eye through revolution and civil geopolitical strikes. And so what I'm saying here is since they've developed their own culture, they've, the Taiwanese identity is a distinct identity now. And if you pull the people on Taiwan, they identify as Taiwanese majority, not Chinese. Some identify as both, I will say that. They have their own system of governance. They have their own judicial system. They have their own everything. Saying it is not an independent country is plain pretend, which I know communists like to do a lot. So that'll be that. All right, well thank you both for that interesting conversation and lively. Before we open it up for a question and answer, I will say please, if you have a question not dealing with the boxing match, feel free to come forward. If it's dealing with the boxing match, we'll handle those at the end. So, and if you'll just stand in the middle, you don't have to be on one side or the other. Not at the other side of the conversation. Give me a step a little closer. Oh, microphones are gonna pick up from the camera. Questions for infrared. Do you believe that it's morally right for Taiwan to be independent? No. And why, sir? I don't think the, people have a right to arbitrarily succeed simply based on, it's a betrayal of China to China's enemies. So I'm against this kind of betrayal. Simple as that. Can I get a counterfeit? They could say the same thing about America in 1776, but our rebellion was moral because we knew that the system of government that the king had was fundamentally wrong. Because we wanted taxation. It says nothing to do with the material factors. Taxation without representation is wrong. There's nothing to do with the material factors behind 1776. Taxation without representation is wrong. And as a patriot, as you describe yourself, you should know that. The Taiwan system would be preserved under one country, two systems. No, wouldn't. We saw what happened in Hong Kong. They passed an extradition bill and there was a Western fueled unrest and chaos that in order to restore law and order, the police of Hong Kong had to crack down on. What happened during the riots of Black Lives Matter and the January 6th, was this all an infringement upon the rights of the American people? What? That the police cracked down on this? Was it an infringement? And many times, yes, actually, police brutality is a major issue in this country. Yes, but does that represent the same level of oppression? Look, you told me to stop over. That's another debate, so let's go to the next question. So I haven't had much time to formulate this question, but it's something like, and I think for infrared first, I'd like the opinion from both, is there actually gonna be a benefit to say China as a whole, or maybe if you wanna say the world as a whole for China to kind of clearly take over Taiwan? I feel like the people of Taiwan kind of like Hong Kong when their rules start coming into play, the Taiwanese are gonna be like, wait a minute, that's more kind of oppressive than we're used to. We're used to these more freedoms. There's gonna be a lot of very, there's gonna be a whole, it's an island nation, isn't it? Taiwanese. There's a whole island nation of very unhappy people with new oppressive laws being put upon them. And I don't know how, like, who's happy about it? I feel like the Chinese are gonna do it. It's gonna be messy for them. It's gonna be messy for the Taiwanese. Why do it at all? What's the benefit? So, I have to preface this. In the first place, it's not about fucking business what China does to its own territory because we are not China. We're a separate country and we have to mind our own business and take care of our own people. It's just the first thing that's most important. But secondly, in case it matters, China has no intention of forcing laws or forcing its system on a people that don't want it. What China is interested in conserving is its geopolitical and territorial sovereignty. China does not want foreigners to meddle in its affairs in attempt to seize hegemony over China's sovereignty and China's territory and so on and so on. China wants to protect itself from people who have a history of express military hostility and antagonism toward China, simply for being an independent rising power that is disrupting the American world order of hegemony. So, China's first and foremost interest is preserving sovereignty. Its interest is not imposing an ideology or system which is not of any real importance. China knows that it can't impose a system on a people that don't want it. So that's why the one country, two systems was even implemented in the first place. So, when it comes to the idea that it's not really our issue, we have had a historical relationship with the Taiwanese government that goes past multiple administrations. A refugee crisis from the Taiwan Strait would be a disaster not only for the world but especially the United States considering that the Taiwanese community is quite large in California. I'm pretty sure a lot of them would like to take their family members because they wouldn't want to be either politically persecuted or blown up. Since again, if you were to exclude the mountainous terrain Taiwan would be the number one most dense country in the world with a population of 25 million. To put that in perspective, Syria had a population of 20 million before the Civil War and was the 67th most dense country in the world. And so when we talk about what would be a largely air campaign in Taiwan that would be a humanitarian disaster creates a massive refugee crisis. This doesn't even need to talk about our trade relationship with Taiwan and our interest there or semiconductors with 50% of the world's semiconductors being produced by a TSMC which of course is based in Taiwan which right now with supply line shortages that being bombed to shit or us not having access to that would also be a massive issue for the United States when it comes to the idea of thought or business. Also China is extremely hypocritical when it comes to this point because it says that well this is a civil war and has correctly technically states that it is technically a historical ongoing civil war not even in the same way that it is in Korea though because there's tourism across lines. There's workers from Taiwan working within there. The tourism industry is gigantic. They trade over like 200 billion dollars and I think in the last 20 or 30 years alone. So obviously a civil war where you're trading tourism doesn't really sound like a very bloody civil war that's currently going on. There has been violence in 75 years but let's say, let's pretend that it's a civil war for a moment, right? That it's not just on paper. In Myanmar right now, there is what is if you would be honest a civil war. One third of the country occurred in a certain analysts. One third of the country according to certain analysts is controlled by rebel forces that are fighting against the military dictatorship that overthrew the democratically elected government of Aung San Suu Kyi. This is irrelevant. Let me finish. Chinese involvement in the civil war. What is that involved in? Let me finish. Military intervention or arms deals. So they have sent aid to the military government. That's exactly it. They have sold weapons to the military government which they then used to not only ethnically cleanse minorities in the country but put down rebellions and what is our involvement when it comes to Taiwan through the Taiwan Relations Act for example? Much worse. Mostly sending them weapons through trade deals the exact same thing they're doing with their involvement in an active, ongoing civil war where people are dying right now. If they're allowed to do it, why are we not allowed to do it? US troops are in Taiwan. US troops are in Taiwan. Not officially but they are. And what about, you wanna talk about? They are secretly and covertly. They are secretly and covertly. Yes. For training operations. Well maybe because they're a dependent nation they're allowed to have that. Okay, well you're saying China's too faced for selling arms and giving aid to government- Yeah, because they're made because what they do is they have friendly relations with that government. They have an ongoing civil war. They're taking sides. Also, the status quo in that country is the government. It's the government that's- You're telling me the military- Listen, China- What's going through with democracy is the status quo. You don't understand China's- They've upended the status quo, Myanmar. What are you talking about? This is a revolution. But officially speaking that is the government of Myanmar. Officially, not recognized by many of our forces. And you care about it. China works with governments that are in power. China works, China works with the Shah of Iran and then it works with the Ayatollahs. China works with whoever's in power and it doesn't care about the internal political- Then America just works with what's in power in Taipei. No, it doesn't because America has a specific agenda to meddle in China's affairs and promote independence of China. And the Chinese are meddling in the affairs of Myanmar. No, they don't. China's very pragmatic- Wait, but what about with the burn down of factories? And the only time the Chinese got interested and it was like, never mind, we really need to stop was when their factory was getting burned down. They don't care that their guns are being used to mow down programs- Yeah, they care- China cares. They don't care. They will help them. We can learn from China. China cares about China. America should care about America. So we should sell more weapons to Saudi Arabia then because it's very profitable. All right. I think that's good stuff right there. I believe you had the next question, sir. So this is for both of you and it's kind of a broader question. We touched on it a bit, but I want to ask directly kind of what justifies sovereignty for a government? What legitimizes a government? What kind of factors go into whether we should support government? This is an issue not just in Taiwan but also across the world like in Ukraine, in Israel and Palestine. So this is a philosophical question. And the German theorist Carl Schmidt does not define sovereignty based on some kind of external measurement. Sovereignty is in short, as Hobbes pointed out, based on material realities. Sovereignty is based on a monopoly on violence. It's based on force. It's based on might. It's not based on some independent source verifying the sovereignty. Now you could talk about other countries recognizing your sovereignty, which is an important thing. But sovereignty is based on material, not moral or ethical realities. Yeah, and the material reality is that Taiwan's government is what controls the island of Taiwan. That's material reality. And let them try and declare. And everyone recognize it as a nation. Then let them try and declare independence and see what happens. Wait, so if it walks like a horse, talks like a horse and it's everything like a horse but it doesn't say I'm a horse. Is it or is it not a horse? It's not a horse yet because it's not allowed to have US troops on its soil officially. So if I said, so if everybody in here said this isn't a phone, would you be like, oh, I guess it's not a horse. Taiwan is literally restricted from doing things a sovereign nation could do officially. Because the Chinese government has tried to do that on the international stage. But by the way, it can't have troops on its soil. It cannot have US troops on its soil. So what you're saying is that the Chinese government, the mainland government in 1960 was not a horse. Let me ask you a question. It doesn't walk like a horse. What is the Chinese? A horse can have troops on its soil officially. I don't know, I don't know of any horse that has troops on its soil. But what I will say, if that's what you're saying, then you would have to recognize that in 1960 the government and the mainland China was not a legitimate nation because it did not have large-scale international recognition or a seat at the United Nations. The People's Republic of China was not a nation because it didn't have international recognition. Yeah. 1960. Well that was, that didn't reflect the material reality which the world eventually woke up and adjusted to that the overwhelming majority of the Chinese people are under the sovereignty of the Communist Party. So eventually they woke up to that reality and is that gonna happen with Taiwan? International recognition happens in Taiwan. Keep waiting for that to happen for Taiwan. All right, back there with the recognition zone. Teach up. Yeah, so you mentioned that China doesn't like to impose things on people that they don't want it, something like that. Except the Uyghurs, Taiwan, Hong Kong, they're building islands. Where does China's border actually end? Like, as you mentioned, the early Chinese. The historical Qing borders that were carved up by the British and other colonialists. But as far as the Uyghur situation is concerned, Xinjiang has been part of China for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. So that is the people who have already been under the system and sovereignty of the Communist Party for a very, very long time. So my point is they're not gonna go to another territory and impose their system. The Uyghurs have already been living under the system. Now if you don't like the details of how that system has been executed so far, it's a separate question. But they have already been living under the system. Why would you trust the colonialists to draw up the borders? Because the Skobro Shoal, for example, which China claims, is mostly used by Filipino fishermen and is claimed by the Philippines in international courts, which China records. Those international courts are illegitimate because the territorial dispute between China and the Philippines has been arbitrated in a bilateral matter. It is not under the jurisdiction of the international court. And you want to know what? In the bilateral matter, they lost, and then they just... No, they didn't. Yeah, they did lose. They came to an agreement with the Philippines. The Philippines didn't like it, so they ran to the UN. And then the UN said what? Doesn't matter. China had... But the UN recognized it matters because the UN has no sovereignty. The UN has no sovereignty to execute its authority over bilateral relations. So UN recognition all by the UN when it comes to Taiwan? No, because it's not a unilateral matter. It is a bilateral matter between the Philippines and China, which was arbitrated between China and the Philippines. And then real quick, though, I'll let you sum that and you'll get the last word, but again, getting back to the whole recognition thing, so it sounds like we could have a follow-on here, but before we go to the next question, go ahead. The people in Xinjiang do not like being monitored in every aspect of their life, and they are. They don't even... Your own sources admit it's not true anymore. Let him finish. You'll have the last one. You're saying that my sources say that there have not been an extreme increase in the level of monitoring the street cameras. You're not claiming it's all done. You're not even letting me... You didn't even let me talk. Jesus, okay? So in Xinjiang, these are things that are undisputable for fact, even according to the Chinese government. When it comes to the monitoring of street cameras and the everyday life of Uyghurs, the Chinese government has heavily ramped up monitoring them. This has been claimed that this is needed to do for anti-terrorism measures, but that does not mean it's been accepted with open arms by the local population. Another thing is the banning of certain religious, I would say religious activities. Now specifically... Are you up to date on your sources? Because they're now saying all that's... They're now saying they... I don't know. They're now saying they've eased up... They're not saying what I'm... Yes, they have. Now let me finish. They said they've eased up surveillance, they've eased up the breakdown, but you're outdated. I don't care. You're outdated. You're timeless. Wait, I'm outdated, yet you're just... Your sources are out of date. You're Marxist-Leninist, and I'm outdated. That's very funny. So, Marxism-Leninism is much newer than Anglo-Saxon liberalism from the 16th century. And what one? Okay, we're getting off topic in there, so... That's a question. So, my question is to infrared here, and it seems like your entire moralistic worldview is based on might-makes-right and material conditions. I'm a materialist. It's not about might-makes-right. Okay, but you keep bringing up the fact that the reason that China has the sovereign authority that it does is because it has a monopoly on power, it's able to exert its control over people, etc., etc., which is a might-makes-right argument. So, if the material conditions are what basically says what exists and might-makes-right, then wouldn't it be in America's best interest to go imperialistic again and take over Taiwan in response to China, since that's what China seems to want to do? There is a country that has tried this. I understand the point, if you want to... Well, I just want to make it sure for the rest of the audience. So, the White House, China has been doing with other countries that border it's... The border it's, such as Tibet, such as Vietnam in the 60s, or 70s, or rather, such as like Dylan brought up Myanmar or Burma. So, that's... Okay, so, Tibet has never bordered China. It's always been a part of China. Now, in regards to other border disputes, China has always settled these matters, not only in a way that's fair, but in a way that overwhelmingly benefits the countries it's negotiating with. China has seated like 80% of its territory in one of its borders with Afghanistan, for example, right? So, when China gets to the books and say we have to settle this territorial dispute, China is very generous with negotiations and has proved so. Now, regarding Myanmar and Vietnam, there was a border dispute with Vietnam in the 70s, but that's what it was. It was a border dispute. It wasn't some kind of arbitrary, imperialist encroachment. It was a dispute about territory that could not be solved diplomatically. Finally, as to the question of Mike Makes Right, you could say, why doesn't America just use its might to invade the entire world? There's a country that has tried the precedent of just simply, hey, if we can do it, let's do it. It was the Nazi Germans. They tried this in World War II. It was proven that this is not a path countries and states can take, just to completely circumvent the customs and norms, which are a material reality as well that are in place. Because when you declare war against the entire world, you're going to have a world war and you're going to have the world unite against you. So America can try this. It just wouldn't be very wise. So just a follow-up on that. I'm specifically talking about Taiwan here. Yeah. It would not be good for America. Within regards to Taiwan, the Taiwanese people seem to be, as Dylan is saying, against China taking back part of America. If America is- So is it in America's interest, as long as well as the Taiwanese interest, to join forces to provide- Why is it in our interest? Because of things like Dylan said, with the chip manufacturing, the territory- There will be no alteration to the chip manufacturing under Chinese- But we have examples- China's already replicating Taiwan's chip industry at home anyway. But that gives more power to China. Wouldn't that justify having it more because then we would want our own ability to take in chips from a separate country? We already can do that. We don't need to invade Taiwan to do that. You don't need to invade- If America wants to replicate the chips that Taiwan produces, it can do so in the same way that China does. By trading and recognizing them as a sovereign nation? No. Because China doesn't do that, and yet it's able to make its own domestic chips. This is a dead-end argument. Let me ask you about something, because you said that they always resolve these conflicts fairly. If you said most of the time, maybe it would have been easier, but the Scorpural Shoal was very self-evident, where they took their chips, they put them on the Scorpural Shoal, then told the Filipinos, you want to fish here, this has been historically your fishing territory, you got to just come to the table and agree with us on all this stuff. Then the Filipinos come to the table. After the United Nations says, hey, you're a member state, and you agreed to follow these rules, China, what about all this? China just disregarded them. The international organization, which you use as a justification to say what is and isn't a nation state due to that international recognition. Yes, you did. International recognition was part of your argument. I said it's a factor. Yes, and this was the United Nations is definitely considered. The United Nations is not the determining factor as far as the international community is concerned. One of the determining factors on the international community. China has contested. The UN is part of the international community. The China has contested the jurisdiction of the UN in that case, in that hearing, because it was settled by Lado. And if you want to know if China act unjustly, China is simply returning to the status quo that existed before the British arbitrarily came with their guns and their opium to carve up the Qing dynasty. What if the Qing... Alongside the Qing Empire, alongside the rest of the European... So what if the Qing Empire was an empire and therefore a lot of the territory it invaded, it shouldn't actually have had control of... I've actually debated with you about this. You're so historically illiterate that you don't understand the structure of pre-modern empires and the manner by which they went about territorial conquest, annexation, assimilation is entirely different from European colonialism. If you don't understand that, you are simply historically illiterate. With that, we're coming up against your time block here. So did you have a question? Yes. One final question. So go ahead and stand between the cables so that the mics can pick it up. Yeah, my question is, well, for both of you, and you know, America, we're known for having really chat energy from separating from Britain. So why not respect the chat energy of the Taiwanese and let them separate from China? Why try to stick up for the guy who lost? Because the circumstances are entirely different between the material conditions that gave rise to the American independence and the so-called independence movement within Taiwan. Now, China is a 5,000-year-long civilization. United States broke with the UK, which colonized the New World very recently. Because the people of America became indigenized and nationally, culturally, civilizationally different from the people in the United Kingdom after centuries and centuries of indigenization. This process has not occurred whatsoever in Taiwan. In Taiwan, the Taiwanese people and the Chinese people are the same people. They engage in trade, marriage, personal relations, cultural exchange, the same movies and TV they watch, the same music they listen to. They're the same exact people who are under the different ideological governments. The Taiwanese people disagree with him. They identify culturally now more as Taiwanese. All the polling data shows that. Also, the reason why they don't like to chat Taiwanese is because they're soying out. With that, I'd like to thank both of you for making this a little bit more lively. Thank you for further information on the boxing match. Yeah, hell yeah. Appreciate everybody's professional questions, Sarah.