 Name another podcast like this Check it check it check it. It's a unique horseshoe boy e ceo, and I'm here with the lovely amazing official Mr.. Mako, what's going on? Hey, man, it's good. It's good to be back in the in the place to be right. Yes, sir Hey, man, we got a very very special guest today, man This guy right here man I a man his name came up and I had to try to find him my god Steve below is in the building What's going on man? Oh man, I'm here man. Say thank you for coming on the show today, man Thanks for having me man, man. So just to um, you from Dallas. Yeah. Yeah Dallas originally Yeah, I was born in Shreveport. What? Yeah, Google Road. Yeah I was born in LSU hospital though. Okay. Okay, because both of my parents are from a town called Nagatish I don't nagatish that's like like 45 minutes out of Shreveport exactly you ever go back down there Oh, yeah, that's what most of my my relatives are You know my immediate relative really like my my grandmother auntie really that food good down there. Oh, yeah, absolutely, man Man, so so naked it so you was born in Shreveport from how was you when you came up to Dallas? I was an infant you the infant so you basically my parents were both here in Dallas And then you know my mom was pregnant with me Then she went to a nagatish to stay with my grandmother while she was pregnant with me and then she had me in Shreveport and then my dad came to Came to Louisiana and got both of them Wow back to Dallas So I was I was in all the schools here elementary. What part of Dallas did you go to first pleasant Grove man to the grove? Right up the street. Yeah. Wow pleasant Grove, man. So how would did you go to where'd you go to? Was it Brian Allen? Was it Sam? Yeah, where'd you go to high school when W. W. Sam? Yeah, there it is W. W. Samuel from 9th grade to 10th grade and then I went to Lakeview Centennial my 11th grade year and Then came back to Sammy my senior year and finished out at Samuel But as far as junior high with the Florence Fred F. Florence. Yeah, it's called something else now. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, but uh, yeah, you know why the move. Why didn't you just stay at Simonville the whole time? No, no, he's talking about his elementary. He went to the smaller school. Oh, okay He didn't go to spruce But I think you're saying like because you said you love this great, right? You left a little bit in high school I want to just see something different. So I went I went to Lakeview Centennial had a cousin living out there So let me I just wanted to switch schools. That's the way I went in and enrolled myself Started going to Lakeview my dad was like, you know, I came back, you know, first week of school He said, hey, how's school going? How you liking Samuel this year? I like that Do it anymore. Yeah, we talking back in the 80s. Yeah, I went to love it. I moved from East Texas to West Texas. I went just for some Semester in West Texas. So I get it. Like you be wanting to know what else is going on like when you young if you're Explore, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's how I was soon as I got my license, man I was I was all over the city. I would just I would get on 635 and just circle the city Are you the youngest or oldest? I got one younger sister. Oh, okay. Okay. So a lot of times she wanted to tag along No, how much? Okay, that's just like me and my brothers I'm 10 and 12 years younger than there So I always felt like an only child because he was gone. They were both gone. So I was just like, yeah Wow, well, I tell you man that the thing that I Can say about Dallas, Texas man is it's the place to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Everybody want to move here. Everybody frequently says, you know what? Let me move to Dallas California people love Texas. I love that that everybody want to be here the economy is great If you from up there because they pay a dime for bags. I found that out the hard way I went up there Plus, you know what they pay for in a house So where did the name below Kim that's not your legal name is it it is my last name be low be low How many people spoil your name and say below I mean if you what spoil your name like say below instead of be low You know what a lot of people most people when they first pronounce it It's it's below and then a lot of people say bellow and then a lot of people ask me well How do you pronounce it? I'm like look just as long as it's spelled right on my check. I don't care Never hear that name before so a lot of so when I saw that name I'm like that must be like he did that name That's your name that you put on for stage name or something like that. I didn't expect that to be your real name Yeah, yeah, that's my real name. That's a pretty cool name. Where did it originate from? Do you know Louisiana? Really? Yeah. I think at one point it was originally be LLO Which would probably be pronounced as bello or something like that in French because you know my dad's you know Creole here heritage, you know, all his people are from France like his his immediate Well, his great-grandmother and grandfather Was from France So there's a lot of that French going on and then some somehow down the line it got changed and I want to say almost everybody's names because I did a family Tree the other day creating it and you'd be surprised how many people the parents the great-grandparents Somebody spelled the name incorrectly and they just didn't go and fix it So all of a sudden now you have a totally different name that's spelled pronounced the same way But it's spelt differently. Right. I'm like, why won't you go and make sure it's properly spelt? You know what I mean? Because when you trace him back Heritage you need to have that proper spelling because just like your name. You said if it was spelled B. E. L. L. L. O And you're going back to search back in France and so forth. It's hard to really know for sure Is that what it was? You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah, I'm so when you when you think about Dallas and Some of the things that didn't happen here I always ask to all these questions, you know for as the music and the way this the scene of Dallas heels What do you think? What do you how do you feel about it? Where things are today? Where they are today? I think I think Dallas is at its Is at a height at its highest level of potential more than it's ever been ever before Wow and I think it's like that because of the internet and how communication is so much more So much more possible now, you know, I think back when I was coming up in the music game All we really had is you know the phone and this city was this city is so spread out You know I'm saying so if you don't have a car something like that is just so hard to network, you know And I think now with the with the internet and things like Instagram and all these social media sites, you know People from Dallas can see what other people from from Dallas are doing and they can get in touch with each other You know and start collaborating, you know, just like you and I yeah, you know, I'm saying like, you know, he's he's Eleo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I mess with him He got he about to come back on the show, too. Yeah, he doing his YouTube thing He running he on that y'all just trying to get it going. He's I'm doing this YouTube was that yeah Yeah, let's do it but y'all see what each other is doing. Yeah So yeah, he knows he can reach out to you and vice versa vice versa and then you know When you were looking for me, he knew where to find me exactly, you know, it's just the communications network Yeah, the networking possibilities are so much more broader now than what he used to be than what it used to be Wow, and I think I think the music is I'm loving it You know, I'm loving to see cats like yellow be easy and and you know, all of these other cats, you know Come up and really go out here and get get deals. You know, I was I was a fan of mode three You know, God rest his soul, you know, I'm saying I really I really hate to see how things went down But you know, that's that's over. Yeah, it's over my head. You know, but I really would have loved to be able to see You know them come together and do some stuff and really take this city over the top, you know I mean, you know, we're gonna advance eventually, but you know, I man, we was right there. We still I think I think we're gonna Come right back because yeah, there's another kid out there somewhere right now. That's very talented I don't know who he is, but it's always, you know time changes thing You know that and he when he when he pops up It's gonna the red carpet is laid out for him because of the way that have been paved thus far Yeah, what you're saying with it being at the scale that it is now if if a guy got some talent and he step into that And I've seen some of these youngsters come through here Oh, yeah It's just a matter of time before one of them click and when it does it's gonna be on because at the end of the day The the work has already been put in place. What do you think? Absolutely? That's pretty good, right? Oh, yeah Yeah, I think you know people put that work in go ahead, baby I have a question in the many years you've been in the music industry Have you ever think of when you're talking about a mode three and a yellow beads in so far You know, you always have the beefs in between, you know artists and so forth. Have there ever been a time where? They say, you know what? Let's just come together and to show unity. You know what? I mean, let's let's end this just to show that they're bigger to have an influence on the people who are watching has any artists ever done that ever That you can recall You mean like from Dallas or just no just from in general because just like you have your two-pocket biggie You know that never squashed, you know, you have all of the different artists that always had I Would say if I had to say you want him to say me I both yeah I think Nas and Jay-Z and they try to do it That's a great example, but but it was after everything had already been right. It was a later on I think Gucci and GZ GZ had a hard to do it But it was when you got bodies in the situation that we got loved ones have lost their lives, man And you come in and you do a versus like they did It's hard to put something together like that because there's so much tension if you if I if you try to set me up My life was on the line that I don't know how receptive I would be to yeah coming back together after so many years Yeah, it would be hard to get over something like that, you know, I Understand you seen it right Like I mean, you know, you're sitting down or you whatever whatever Whatever Gucci situation was, you know I'm saying and you you sitting down and These guys come in and you know, they your life is on the line now. Yeah, you know, yeah And you just blessed enough to make it up out of there man It was close. Yeah, you you don't know how that's gonna affect But you don't know what kind of fake that had on him. Well, you know It had a big effect on it. Yeah, think about it. Look at his look at his whole career Yeah, if people don't realize that when that happened he he was gone for like a year out of the music, right? He didn't cut he wasn't doing on me. I remember that. Yeah He was hot right then when that song came on but then after that he had to fight for his life Yeah, so it had it pulled back from his career. Now look at what happens after that the from from Um altercation after altercation ice cream Tattoo on his face people, you know people going in on him, but he still had good work ethic don't trip He they were saying he was crazy. I remember all this when he's super talented. This dude's super talented. Yeah work horse Oh, very his work ethics can be denied. Yeah, and you know that that it's just you can't put something like that back together Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's hard then you say I want to put them together. I don't know who made they call Think about that for a minute. Hey, man. I want y'all do it versus you it It had to be some money involved or something because it seemed like a lot of that's what overcomes a lot of things It's the money if it's enough money, they both will do it which they did so And they ultimately were able to be in the same space and at least Hash it out. You know what I'm saying? Although, you know, you know went went the way it went, you know still at the end of the day It ended peacefully and I think you know, there was there was at least some kind of Some kind of dialogue. Yeah, you know that was started and you know, both of them went their separate ways and was able to you know to Move on but I think it was good for the culture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I really do I wish more people would do that because it set an example if you can be the bigger person I know that your life is at risk and it's hard to trust people because you have to always wonder are they Doing it to set me up to that like what y'all were talking about But then it's a bigger picture it life is bigger than just us. Yeah, it's who you impact You know what I mean? That's why When we started this and I've met so many musicians before this I didn't realize how powerful these mics are and how powerful because I'm not one of these people that listen to music and go out here and do whatever they're saying But you do have a lot of people who do you know what I mean? That's the thing. It's like Not not to not to interrupt you but I'll go ahead. You know, you made me think about something. It's like how do we How do we show these kids and sometimes even these adults that you know, this this is entertainment So you take your your your kid that's not raising that kind of environment and Then he you know, he listens to the music and you know, I this whole thing about how music doesn't influence people's behavior I think that's a that's that's the biggest joke ever. It does it has some kind of influence One way it just who's strong enough to look at music and and the words in the music and be like That's just entertainment. I know that I'm not supposed to go out there and do that You know, like take a middle-class kid that's brought up in a situation where he don't have to go out and sell dope, you know, I'm saying But he looks as this looks at this lifestyle and his music and it becomes attractive to him Yeah, you know I'm saying and he and he goes out and does some of the things not because that's what he could afford it Really not even cut from that cloth, but he wants people to view him in a certain light, you know, I'm saying he wants to be like the Rappers, yeah, you know I'm saying he goes out and he and he commits whatever crimes or does whatever he you know He hears in the music and he sees on TV He's not he wasn't strong enough for nobody was there to tell him like that's just entertainment, you know If you go down that road, you know, there's Likely gonna be some consequences, right and not explaining to him Hey, a lot of people that take that role either they were brought up in it Or they just felt like they really didn't have a choice you have a choice So some of the people that you've worked with some of the bigger names that you've seen Have you ever seen anyone come up to these people and said man, you changed my life through your music? Yeah, and I've never heard anybody say that to them per se But you can just kind of tell you like when people approach your energy, right? Yeah Like for one pimp see, you know what I'm saying Just the love that I that I saw him get from people when when he was out and about it was just You know and and it was just always you when people saw him It was just like they were glad to see him, you know, I'm saying and it just kind of felt like You could just see it in their eyes Like they really didn't look at him as a celebrity even people that didn't know him like strangers They didn't look at him as a celebrity, you know, they was hey, what's up him? You know, they speak to him like that, you know, I really never saw people that was like starstruck Yeah, you know because he had that ability both of them him and bun they had that ability to uh Be the rap stars that they are but kind of Be on that that level That that down the earth level, you know, I'm saying to the point to where you you you feel like you can approach them that way You know what I'm saying super dope, dude Dudes man, like I said, I met bun. I didn't get to meet him But I met bun me and my wife and my kids all four of my kids was with me in Vegas and he stopped I was like my daughter wanted to take a picture with him and she was like Dad, I'm gonna take a picture with him and she was excited and he was like, hold on hold on And he just pretty much took a picture with with all the kids all four of my kids I got pictures with all four of them. You know, yeah One at a time. I think it was one at a time But anyway, he was like, uh, you know, I was like, man, I appreciate the love and respect and uh All right, and I say you dope. He's now you dope man. You're the only one here that got Your whole family with you, right, you know, he's seen that in the midst of what I was doing I was trying to show them business really Yeah, I wanted them to see the business side of what we do, you know, and uh, you remember that day, right? And it was just a dope dope time, you know But definitely man always been always looked up to those guys for what they brought to texas for for the south Yeah, uh, them guys are patriarchs, you know, I the way I found you is I heard this right here That's what I heard Yeah It's deep, that's how I found you right there Yeah, it's not fun. Is he so you know that this like for was he so is he right? Did you just did you stop because it wasn't fun no more? I mean, it's you just said I wouldn't go deal with it no more after after pimp. See now man, it was it was a combination of a lot of things because um I had uh, you know after pimp died um You know, I was still still heavy in the music and still wanted to do it but It really wasn't fun anymore, and I didn't realize that it wasn't fun anymore Until a little while after, you know, he was gone. Yeah, you know what I'm saying because uh, you know bun and I did manage to uh, to uh Put together uh the trilog album along. Yeah, you know Some other great producers and you know artists and things like that, you know after pimp was gone um, but after we did that and uh I wasn't working on anything much after that And then it just you know, I was I was getting I was getting a little older You know what I'm saying and my taste in music was changing So I really wasn't Hearing anything that inspired me Because I feel like, you know, if you're going to work on a particular type of music you have to be a fan of it as well So you when you hear things, you know, oh, okay You know, I'm loving it and I I just wasn't hearing anything that I was loving anymore My taste in music was changing My priorities and my life was changing so It it just you know And then on top of that, you know not not working with pimp. Yeah, um And it just kind of it is it wasn't like I just sat up one day and just said, you know what? I'm just not going to do this anymore. Yeah, it one day not working on music turned into two. Yeah Two days turned into three. Yeah, you know, and you didn't miss it. So That's that that's yeah, that's what it was and I really wasn't missing it and I you know When you when you working on the music, you know, don't get me wrong. I love working on music But It's a it's a very taxing activity Many long hours a lot of long hours a lot of long hours and a lot of uh A lot of it's a it's a after a while. It becomes a mental strain Because and do you have a family like wife kids? No, okay. No because I was trying to see, you know, because You need time for that. Right. So I was trying to see how much time Now one thing I was trying to do was put myself in a position. So I could you know, maybe give myself a family You know, so To be real. I mean that music thing. It don't always pay the bills. Yeah, you know, so I'm like, okay. Well, you know And that's crazy. You said that because a lot of people make you feel like music industry Oh, you getting paid. No, no, I think that's a persona They have to portray because you fake it till you're making and you want people to look up to you For the moves that you're making but I always I've taken a different outlook on that now that I begin to Venture into all my interviews and I feel like But I understand that but you fool all these young kids who are looking up to want to do that Yeah, but that's their hustle too. So they're putting money up for their brand and and they're enjoying it When they're doing it, yeah So I can't say that they're not bosses Because when you put the money up, you're a boss. Yeah And now you say, well, that's not real. They don't really have it like that Yeah, but they done it You said, uh, yeah, so I can't disrespect it. Yeah. No, I mean, it's uh, they invest it Yeah, and you know, a lot of them, you know, a lot of them have money already And a lot of them have people with money behind them So they can they can keep up that lifestyle and then, you know, you got some people that feel like, um If they can't do music then they just can't do nothing else and I I ain't never been like that You know what I'm saying? It's like I pretty much do my whole music career I pretty much held down a nine to five at one point or another There were times when, you know, I I say you receive some nice little music checks and I was like, okay Well, I can do this But you living off that money You know what I'm saying and then when they start getting low Like now what I'm gonna do now. I ain't getting no big checks no more. So it's like Go give me a job. You know, go nine to five it out and you know, just just keep working on music keep pressing on You know, I get it. Yeah, so with all the sorry With all the years that you've been in the music industry Do you ever try to give back to someone who is upcoming to try to teach them? You know, yeah, I've had a lot of people that, you know That that have met me and they they've had kids or cousins or relatives that Want to get in the business and I tell them, you know Whether it's teaching them how to work the the equipment Or, you know, giving them whatever knowledge I do have of the music or the business side You know, I give that to them too Because I know I know how it is to dream. I ain't never gonna tell nobody not to You know, not to go chase their dreams. I ain't I'm never gonna tell a kid that I'm never gonna tell anybody that, you know what I'm saying because I know what that hunger feels like I know what it's like to to dream about something and want to go get it, you know, and you know, I just I don't I don't feel like it's it's my right to tell them That, you know, it's just a dream because it's possible. It's possible for everybody And it's it's not going to turn out the same way that it turns out for everybody I mean, look at all of the the football players That are talented enough to go to the nfl But just don't make it because you can only put so many people on a team You know, it's it's I'm pretty sure there's so many cats out there that never made it to the nfl That's way more talented than some of the guys in there But just don't make it because the odds just didn't work in their favor With whatever reason that is, you know, I'm saying I agree. Yeah, so That that was something that, you know, I kind of had to realize about the music business And like, you know what? If if music don't work out for me It ain't the end of my life because I believe in God and I know he gonna have He gonna have me either way it go Whatever I end up is where he led me So I just I let him leave me. Hey man. Hey man. So let's get into it man. So switches and doji like Like did you help him help with that whole underground kings project the whole thing? You know, I don't I don't work like on two songs. Which song was it? It was switches and doja and like that remix like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was you know, you like Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's a version that little john did and then the other version is the one that I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So yeah, so how did you how did you end up in the situation even dealing with you gk? Well, I met them through mail from trill entertainment. Okay. Um, yeah two cast that was over trill entertainment, which was uh mail and another cat named turk Okay, and uh I knew mail first uh pot in the mind named uh curvy shout out to my boy curvy um, he introduced me to mail and uh mail at the time lose them I'm telling turk they're from baton rouge. Yeah baton rouge. That's when he dealt with boosie. Right Right. That was that was that during that time period that that's how I know they linked Yeah, so you met him. How did you meet those guys? I met them through kurt because kurt was another friend of mine because I went to southern university Okay in baton rouge. Got it. And I met a pot in the mind. His name was kurt v Uh, and he's just he's one of those type of cast man that can just talk to anybody You know, he you know, he knows damn near everybody in baton rouge And he you know, he uh, he knew that I did music, you know, I'm saying he was one of my biggest supporters You know while I was down there in baton rouge, you know, I'm saying me and him became real cool Well, as a matter of fact, I'm I'm his daughter's Godfather, you know, I'm saying so But anyway, he introduced me to uh to mail because mail at the time Was just starting up in the music business and he he had another artist named uh smitty smithy de pimp. Okay back then And um, he was looking for somebody to do music. So that's how we got connected and then uh As time went on Mail started dealing with boosie. Okay, you know, I'm saying and then um, I did I did some music for boosie And then I came back to dallas and then when you did that you did the music for boosie Oh, that was back in when he first started out. No, he had already did the the album with uh sea lope. Okay, um He did that album already that he was in that transition from leaving that situation and Then going into a situation with mail. Okay, and that's when I came in and I want to say Oh man, my memories just terrible I want to say I've had to be about 98 99 or something like that Any whenever he was transitioning into that situation from from sea lope to mail That's when I came in and um, I worked on a some some of the earlier stuff He did with trill entertainment. Yeah, and then uh, I came back to dallas for a little while And then while I was in dallas, that's when uh mail and and got with turk and then they started Basically started trill entertainment And then they got with uh They got with mouse they found mouse down there. He's a bad rougie. You know, he he ended up, you know Making some really really big songs for him. So that's kind of you know, he kind of got in that position right there, you know, and then, uh But I went all off on a on another Good. I'm just you don't get back to yeah. Yeah. Yeah, uh But that's how I met pimp was him. Yeah, it was through mail because mail and pimp was tight. You know what I'm saying? Because I think uh mail had stayed out in houston for a while And then I think they met some kind of way him and pimp and then they became tight And uh, they started talking about starting trill entertainment entertainment. Yeah Yeah, how was that meeting how was it meeting pimp? Just he was just a cool person like he was when he met other people, right? I was thinking about that the other day it was funny because I was like man, I remember the day I met Pimp and bun. You know what I'm saying? Yeah at the time Mail had this house, you know where it was doing all the music at it was really just like a house where everybody kind of hung out at And uh, I I used to go over there My equipment and stuff set up over there and I was you know, just making beats all day. Just He had these big old 15 and sir in vegas that I used to love I love them sir. Thank you. Thank you. With the orange, wasn't it? Oh, yeah He told me pimp and bun was coming over one day and um I just remember being in that room all day and like it's gonna have to make me something hard I got to have it when I'm gonna let them boys have it when they come in there when they come in there They're gonna hear it. They're gonna they're gonna have to mess around with it. You know what I'm saying? Like they're not they're not walking up out of here without no music. That's just all and I just had my mind made up Yes, sir. So I worked on some beats all day and I came up with some some really hot stuff man Yeah, it was some bangers man. So they finally showed up because you know, they they nocturnal creatures man They hang out all night. So I think of like 12 o'clock in the morning. They they showed up over male house And uh, they came in the room when I was working on some tracks, man And they were like, yeah, man, you know play some play something for me. So I hit that star button, man And they got that stink face. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah They both looked at each other. They were like He got it. He got it. Yeah, that was that was a good feeling though. Man, it had to be that was a good feeling You know to to be able to meet those cats like that and I had been looking up to them for so long You know I'm saying and I already kind of felt like you know when it came to the music part, you know Me and pimp I actually feel like me and pimp were like musical kindred souls, you know what I'm saying because It's so funny Um When I first started working on music, you know, I was just just getting into that that whole Ham, am I doing it right? Yeah. Yeah, you know, am I am I using the right sounds? Am I using the right samples? You know what I'm saying? So at the time I was working on this track With the eyes of the brother sample Yeah, yeah And I had a role and I was sitting and listening to it And I you know, I was I just kind of learned how to sample and Sequencing and getting all the drums and stuff together And I was like, man, I wanted that jam and I know I like yeah Yeah, I wonder if it's jamming to somebody else And then probably about a week after I did that beat man. I'm riding in my car listening to the radio Dump dump dump dump Like I must be doing it right. It was pimp. Yeah. It was them. I said I must be doing it right What song was that? Tell me something good. Tell me something good. That was the first one I heard. How old was you when you heard that? Man, I must have been about, what, 15, 16? 15, 16. Me? I was a little bit older. How old are you if you're on my math? 49. Yeah, I'm one year older than you. So yeah, I was at the danger field track meet. I'll never forget that day, man, when I heard that song. Just like you just explained it. I tell you that all the time down there. When I heard that song, I knew they was cold. I had to find that music. What, Too Hard to Swallow? What happened was that? It had to be. I think Too Hard to Swallow. That was the first one. It had to be. Don't make me laugh. Boy, I'm telling you that was it. You know me. I'm just telling you that was it, man. I just know when it came out. No, that wasn't it. You're right. Because it had Tell Me Something Good, Pocket Full of Stone. Yeah, B-O-B-U-N-B. I just remember the songs. I know what order they was in. You know what I mean? That's when you really. So you had made that just listen to that beat and you was thinking that's a hard beat. Yeah, I used that sample. That sample. And I was like, man, I wanted this was a good choice. A sample. And then when I heard that song on the radio and I saw that he used it and everybody was loving it. And I was like, okay, I must be doing something right. I must be choosing the right samples. I must have that sound or at least know of that sound that other people won't. Too hard to swap. Yeah. It was too hard to swap. Yeah, that was it. I just know that thing went hard, man. Me and my partner shout out to that boy, LoDeezy. We argue all the time about who the hardest out of eight ball MJG and UGK. Oh, me and LoDeezy. That's Yellow Beezy's analogy. Yeah, I know him. We go back and forth. I call him that. You crazy, man. But he got songs with that. I see, I don't even know you saying that because you got songs with them niggas. Yeah. He's like, nah, they're all this E. I'm like, whatever, man. Yeah, that would give me to say that. Yeah. No, I love them both, man. Me too. I love both of them. UGK all day. I got to say UGK because I remember where I was at, like you were saying earlier. And I just know the feeling I got when I heard that. Now, that one lay it down from eight ball. I remember where I was at when that thing went hard, man. Yeah, yeah. Man, Mr. Big. Mr. Big, Mr. Big, man. When they got with that dude T-Mix, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When they stepped that production up, man. It was on. When they got down in Houston and went with Swab House, man. Swab House. Man, I remember being at Southern, man, listening to them out. I always think about Mr. Mike, man. Oh, Mr. Mike was calling. But went hard, man. Yeah. I was to ask people. Then I asked, I think I asked Pud. Pud said he was Big Pud. Big Pud said he was still down there. You know what? Yeah, I'm looking for that cat. I'm trying to find Mr. I'm gonna find him. I've seen some of, I don't know if they were recent, but I saw him in some interviews. Really? I got to look him up. I'm gonna go. Two years, yeah. We went to Houston and done some, and I'm gonna go back. Yeah, I'm gonna get it. He was cold, bro. I loved it, man. He was cold. Yeah, yeah. You know, I think when you was talking, it's like you, Mr. Lee, KLC that was on here. Who else? He's a Leo. I'm going through everybody running. Running Spence was just on here. You know, I'm going through everybody just talking about pimp. You know what I'm saying? I just love the fact that God lined everything up for me, man. That's what this show them became. Something like, like when you really think about it, my people are centered out. I got to get going. I'm going to get him. I ain't even tripping. I know God, God to put him right there in that seat. But the thing I can say is, man, that all of these people was just surrounding that, that the career. So what was, what was, give me a story between you and pimp, something that you remember that stuck out to you that happened with you and him. Oh man. Something that was just something that nobody would know. I don't know because like me and pimp, like I went down and stayed in his house and that when he was living in Atlanta, like the whole summer, I think that was back in, oh man, I want to say 98, 99. I remember when he was living down there. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, I went down there and pretty much locked myself in his basement. Wow. And barely came, came up for air. Like he would be upstairs. I'd be down in the basement and they go out and party and stuff like that. I'd be down in the basement working on tracks, man. Wow. But one thing that really, really stood out in my mind, we never really hung out one-on-one until this particular time. And I was in Dallas and he was in Houston. This was not long after he had gotten released out of prison. Okay. And he's like, man, you know, he said, I'm just chilling this weekend. You ought to come down, you know, holla at me. So I went down there. And it was really, man, the whole weekend, it was just me and him. Wow. He was living at the, you know, the high rise apartment down in Houston over there by the mall. And we just hung out, man. We just hung out. Like we hung out in his apartment. We didn't really even work on no music. Really? No music? Yeah. He was just like taking a bunch of business calls, you know, trying to, you know, handle some things. And we go out, you know, in the evening and just ride around. That sticks out because he was just focused on just hanging out. Yeah. It wasn't even on no, it wasn't even on no music thing. It wasn't even on no business thing. It was just, you know what I'm saying? Because we, we, I was working with him before he got locked up. And then, you know, he pretty much, he went when he went and got locked up, you know, that kind of just things came at a standstill. Yeah. Man, I missed him during that time. Oh man. We all did. Man, that Tyrell Union. I know he's on Tyrell Union. I was keeping up with whatever was going on. Yeah. Fanning out, you know what I'm saying? Like, man, I can't do, I can't do this, man. Yeah. We got a house on that. Because when you hear him with the songs, he stick out in every song from when he was with Master Pete and him doing songs. Oh yeah. Wherever he was on their song, he going to kill that whole thing. Yeah. I don't care what nobody say. Oh yeah. He had that golden voice, man. Yeah. His delivery was, was like, like no other, man. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So, how did, how was this process? Because I know K.L. said he was like a genius when he come to the music. Yeah. How was this process to though, when you've seen him make music? He just knew what he wanted, man. Yeah. He knew what he wanted. Like, and he was quick too. You could hear him like, I remember when I was living, living with him in Atlanta, you can hear him like he be humming things, you know, in his head and he, he go right then and go work on it. You know what I'm saying? Like he'll go because he had his, his equipment set up, you know, upstairs and then mine was set up downstairs. Wow. Yeah. And I remember, he always say, hey man, you know, you ain't got nothing like this right here. He ain't no. No, it wasn't, it wasn't never like that. Never like that. It was y'all just making music together. Yeah. Like I'd be downstairs. He said he was like his protege or something. That's what Bunn said. Yeah. Cause, cause really man, cause I had been making music before I met him. Okay. But like, he knew that my, my drums could use some work. Okay. So he introduced me to the rolling R8. Okay. Which was a drum machine that he was using and people used to tell me all the time. Man, I do much really like you man. Cause I ain't never seen him show nobody how to work that drum machine. Wow. And yeah. So he showed me how to work that drum machine. So then I started incorporating the sounds from that drum machine into my music. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And it was just really getting familiar with it. Man. But yeah, I remember one time man, he was working on the beat to chopping blades. Yeah. And I was downstairs and I could hear the beat going don't, don't, don't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Damn boy. I was like, you got him. So later on that day, the power went out. He was working on the beat and back then, you know, you got the ASR 10 and I don't think he was working on the MPC back then. No, he was working on the, the R8 and the ASR 10 and he was working on the beat, working on the beat and he had it, he had it going. Had the whole going. And the power went out. Man, he rapped all over. The power went out, he lost that beat. What? Yeah. He lost the beat and all I could hear him upstairs, he was like, ah. He was like, fuck. He had to make that one again. He had to start it all over again. He went back and got it in. Yeah. It was in that era. It sounded just the same. Same. Yeah. Just the same as he had it before. Man. He had to bait it not to get that one. Yeah. But that one right there. That's a classic one. Woo, you hit the club but then boys kick it back. Yeah. That thing was a problem. Yeah. I already know it was, man. Yeah. So, when you think about, because I think one of his sons is locked up right now. I just, I just found, found it out. Yeah. Me and, yeah, I've been in an interview with his mom and he's Leo and she was saying, I used, I said, you know, some of the things that she was saying how, you know, everybody, you know, keeping them in good spirits. I'm like, what is she talking about? Yeah. I put two and two together. I said, well, he must be, he must be incarcerated. Yeah. I didn't know that. So, didn't any of his kids ever come around when you was hanging out with him or staying with him? Yeah. Chattie Boo. Chattie Boo was staying with him at the time. Wow. Which is his, his first son, his oldest son. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty, you know, they, I'm pretty sure my shadow ain't that bad, but when you undershadow like that, Yeah. He alleging and so much expectation under that. That have to be something else, bro. Yeah. People don't think about it, but anytime you see something like that going on, I always think about it. I'm like, that's a big, that's a big shadow to be under. Yeah. And people looking at you and they expecting or wondering that you're young, you're young and you trying to get to know who yourself is. That's right. Just because, you know, that's who your father is doesn't necessarily mean that that's who you are, that's who you're going to be. And, you know, now you're not only trying to get to know who you are as, as your own person, you got everybody saying who your dad was and what your dad did and how he was. And, you know, so that kind of gets in the way of you finding your own, you know, you have to live up to that. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I don't, I haven't seen either of his children in a while. So I don't know if that's the kind of mindset that they have. No, no, I'm just thinking how I would, how I would think if I was in that situation. Oh yeah. Because you don't know what people expect. I'm sure it's something that they have to deal with. Yeah. It have to be, man. So, so far as a bun, what's the situation you and Bun have been in? Did you, because Pimp was the guy that did the beats producing, you know, ear for the sound type do. So when it came to you and Bun, did you ever have to process the music right there on the spot with Bun to make any other songs that y'all did? Not really like it was, we just had to, I just had the time to work on the music and then, you know, I would present it to Bun, you know, and if he liked it, you know, he liked it, then he worked with it. It really wasn't like when we worked on Trilogy, there was some on the spot song making or producing in the studio, but not much. Like a lot of it, like we would go, like I would present beats to him, like on the CD, he'd listen to him, he'd like, yeah, I want to mess with that. And then we go to the studio and record them. We'd work on that, recorded that studio. And then, you know, once we, you know, part ways at the end of the day, I'll go home and go work on some more stuff and then present it to him the next day or whenever I had it ready. So it really wasn't like any, you know, while we was both there. Yeah, yeah. I kind of worked better by yourself. By myself anyway. Okay. Yeah, switches and dojo. So how did you process that? Man, that was, I think the, one of the biggest qualities of that song is the sample that's in it. Man, that thing sound, them guitars and stuff, man, as a beast. Yeah. Do you hear me? I mean, the song is, how did you do it? How was it? I can ask you because you know, how it came together. It was, you know, and I love, I love how it all came together because it was just like one of those, like, magical type of, Yeah. situations. I was riding with my cousin, Greg in his car and he was listening to this, you had this like, Xotico mix CD or something that he was listening to and one of the, one of the songs on it was this, a song called, Step to You by Step Rideau. It was a Xotico artist. Okay. And I was listening to it and I love the melody in the song. I was like, and I asked him who it was. He said, yeah, man, that's Step Rideau. I said, man, you got to give me a copy of that CD, man. I think I want to sample that. You know what I'm saying? So then he burned me a copy of the CD. I took it home and just really just started messing with the sample, man. And I, I wanted to use another part of the song, but one day when I was working on the song, or when I was making the track, earlier that day, this chick I was dating at the time, it broke up with me. Wow. And it hurt me. And that makes for better music. Yeah. It hurt me. She hurt me. I ain't gonna, I ain't gonna sit on the mic. I ain't never been hurt. It fucking hurt. It didn't feel right here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can't get away from that old story. And y'all sick. And, that part, the part that I sampled, the part that I ended up using, because I couldn't, I had another part that I was using, but I couldn't get the chop just right. Yeah. The sample chop, I couldn't get it right. So I found another part to use. I say, let me just use this in the meantime. And when, when I heard it, when I heard that particular part, it just caught me because it kind of sounded painful. Yeah. It sounded painful. You know what I'm saying? It just made me sit there. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was kind of like a release. It kind of felt like a release almost. Yeah. And then, I'd actually just put it on CD. And I was like, you know what, I'm going to go back to it. I'm going to use the part that I wanted to use. But I ended up sending the CD off. And it was really, it really was a song because Pimp said, man, put me about seven, eight beats on a CD and sent it to me. So I had all these other beats. And I was like, oh yeah, he going to love these. He going to love these. And it was like selling songs. And I needed one more track to put on there. And Swishes and Doja was that one. That was the last one. It was the last one. I was like, you know, that it's tight, but I just, I can't, I really can't hear UGK on it. On it. You know what I'm saying? And he hit you back. He hit me back. Like this to one. Man, that, man, that last one you got on that muck. Man, that, so that's, that's the one they ended up using, man. That's when they ended up. When you see these guys come out like that, man, and they do what they do, as far as the way the finishing touch, when they come lyrically on it, man, what do you be thinking? And what did you think at the time? You know, when I, you see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. When I, when I heard it, man, I was like, that's why I'm the producer. And they the rapper. And I was like, man, I was like, when they wrapped on it and I heard it, I was like, I was like, man, you got a lot to learn because you didn't even really hit them cats on that track. Right. And they are ripping it. Hard. And it was at that moment in time, man, where I was like, man, because I used to, what I used to do when I used to present beats to artists, I used to put like tracks on there that I think they'll sound good on. And right there is when I learned just put everything on there. Because you just don't know what somebody else is. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Because that's just like me speaking for them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't never know what they're going to do with what you give them. Right. Right. I get it. You can't speak for nobody else and what they're going to do. You just got to put it out there, put it out there, give it to them and see what they come back with. Do what they do. Because you never know what's going to do somebody here. Your top three artists of all time. I always ask that question. Top three artists of any genre. Just three. Look how she didn't say nothing this time. That's funny to me. You must be kidding. I purposely did that. Really? My wife always say something. She was like any genre because she don't want it just to be rap. But she ain't saying nothing like that. It's your preference. Yeah. Number one. She did say it's your preference, right? Number one. Of all time. I'm going to have to say Prince. Prince. We've gotten that a lot. 27th Instrument. It's Prince. Number two. Number two. Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. Number three. Of all time. That third one. I always get them, don't I? Because there's so many. Yeah. I know. You like I don't know on the slide. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That third one will get everybody. I'm going to have to go with Rock Him. Rock Him. Man that boy. That's the first Rock Him. Eric being Rock Him with hard, man. They changed it, bro. They changed the whole game. They changed it. Yeah. And I have him. That's the first one. Yeah. Them and them and LL, bro. Those cats. LL did his thing, man. They made dudes start rapping. I don't know why I thought about Brunner got a big old butt when you said LL. That beat was crazy wasn't it? Yeah. One of my favorite songs from LL was Jack the Ripper. Yeah. You liked that one? That one, you know. Not necessarily because it was a Kumo D diss, but it's just the way he came on that song, bro. Man, I need love was a bad song because nobody expected him to sing that like that during that time. He was like one of the first to cross that. To cross over that whole situation. Nobody was doing that. Nobody was doing that. He was the first one. He could rap, bro. But he did that head's frog too in the end when I took you to sing. That head's frog. Yeah. He could rap, bro. Yeah. I love that dude go hard. And he underrated too. Oh, very underrated. I remember going to Bruton at the first time I ever saw LL on anything was I don't know if you remember. Was you raised here? I've been around here a long time, bro. Bruton 48 on Bruton. You remember that? No, I don't remember that. I don't remember that. I don't know what grocery store is that now, but it was on Bruton and Prairie Creek. Prairie Creek. Yeah. It's a barbershop with cuts right there now. No, no, that's over one. Bruton and Prairie Creek. That's like June. That's like June. So Bruton would be over Bruton. Is it Bruton and Prairie Creek? You sure? Yeah. Bruton and Prairie Creek because it's the same street that Samuel is on. Bruton and Prairie Creek. That's right there. It was the same street that runs alongside Samuel. Yeah. But anyway, it used to be a thumb thumb right there. And then down further down the shopping center. At the end of shopping center was a movie theater. They tore it down. Yeah. Yeah. Crushed Groove, man. Yeah. Crushed Groove and walked in that room, bruh. He killed it, didn't he? Hold up, hold up, man. He went in, man. He went in. And it was like, bop. Yeah, yeah, he hit that. It was over. And man, let me tell you, bruh, when that song dropped, man, that everybody in that movie theater, man, it was just, it was a party, dawg. I know it did. It was a party. I love that whole, it's funny. And I can say this to you, but like when you see rap come on the scene, you can see rap. I'm old enough to where I remember when rap started. Yeah. And I remember when it was just R&B. I feel very privileged to have seen that whole thing, right? To have watched the birth of a music that has changed this world forever. For sure. Rap has changed this world forever. You know what I'm saying? I agree with it a hundred percent, man. That's something that, and it made a lot of entrepreneurs as well. A lot of entrepreneurs, man. I think that helped our people, man. So when you, I'll ask you, I'm not going to hold you up too much longer. When you think about the music, man, what's going to take to get you back into music so I can get some more music out, man? That's what I need to know. These are tight. I don't want to hear that. You know what, man? I really, you know, I haven't just stopped it all together. We got to find an artist. That's dope. We got to be a dope artist. Well, here's the thing. I've been working on stuff for myself. Okay. And I'm stepping into the Southern Soul Blues and the Zydeco. Get out of here, man. Yeah. And what's been happening with me, man, is I've been, I've got some stuff, some stuff I've been working on for myself because I'm going to, I've been working on it, writing it, producing it and recording it. Okay. Because I can hold a tune. Okay. Yeah. I've been messing with so many different genres of music to the point to where I've been saying, well, you got to, you got to make up your mind and choose one. One, yeah. And then I was like, well, why not just do all of them? Yeah. So I just made it up in my mind to do the music that I like to listen to and the music that I like to hear and put it out there and just let the people, people judge for themselves. I can't wait to hear it. You're going to come back on the show so we can talk about it. Absolutely, man. Got to have it back up. We're putting it out. We'll put it out by the summer. And so we'll be here and we're going to get you going to come back on. We do a little listening session. You'll be the first show out here. That's all I want to hear right there, man. You'll be the first show out here. Lord say the same. God say the same. We're right here doing it, man. Releasing it right here. Just talking about the process of the music again. Right. Because I already know it's going to be dope, man. Because you're a dope dude, man. I appreciate it, man. I appreciate you for coming over and blessing our platform, man. I know you could have been a million places, but you're here with us tonight. Amen. Thanks for having me. Thanks so much for coming, man. Like I said, it's a blessing, man. You don't even know, man. I just to hear those stories, man. And that's where I'm at with it. I just love to hear about what was going on with Pimp. Because I'm a big fan of Pimp, you know. And my wife heard this ever since we started this thing. She got tired of it. She's going to keep me out of here. It's so much to be told about the cat, man. You know, he touched a lot of people. Him and Bun. Him and Bun. Bun. I don't play Bun. But Pimp, you know, just those beat making. Oh, yeah. I mean, and he even said that. Bun even said it. Oh, absolutely. You know, it just, it was so much to him. But then at the end of the day, like Bun said, I just come in there and do my thing. You know what I'm saying? He already have it ready. Yeah. And Bun were quick with it too. You know, when it came to the, when it come to the music. Look how he held Pimp see down during the time when he was gone. I could go in on that. Absolutely. Because he held him down. I ain't never seen no other artist holding, you know, nobody down like that. Absolutely. You know, we talked about what, four years? Yeah. Four years, right? And Bun was out here working, man. That free Pimp see thing was going down. Man, look. That held us on. I don't care what nobody say, bro, because I know it's been a lot of things said as far as what their relationship was like. Yeah. But them dudes was each other's brothers, man. Man, you ain't got to tell me that. Let me tell you something. I didn't been in a room with both of them without the other one for lengthy periods of time. And ain't now one of them ever said anything bad about the other one in my presence anyway. Already. You know what I'm saying? And I know for a fact, just by being around them cats, I know that Pimp would have went to war for Bun and Bun would have went to war for Pimp. Man. And all that other stuff. I don't know about it. Don't even matter to me. But I know what they meant to each other. Or at least I feel like what they meant to each other. Yeah, yeah. That's what matters to me. Well, every time, you know, when you look at someone passing away, you know, it always is, you know, people have whatever thoughts or whatever. But Bun, to me, like I said, you see what he done. His work. Absolutely. You can't deny it. Absolutely. You can't deny that he went in and basically, you know, like I said, it was untimely demise, first of all. Yeah. But the way he went in when he was in prison, it just sticks out to me. Nobody has ever done that, bro. Right. Hell, somebody down like that. Yeah. You know, he and everybody was riding his back too. He was keeping the music alive, man. Every artist that was out during that time, the Jesus and all those people, Bun was somewhere ripping them apart with a verse. Bro. He was killing them. Bro, he was hurting all of them, man. They knew it, though. They respected him. He was on with cash money. He was killing them. He was doing with Jesus. He was killing it. Man, shout out to Bun, man. That's a real one there. But, man, hey, man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. See, below, we love you, bro. Love y'all, too. We love you, man. And you are always welcome to come here. If you call me and say, such and such need to come on there or some talent out there or whatever the case may be, man. You got my number. You can hit me up, man, for show, man. I've been going through this thoroughly, man. Hey, man, you don't even know what it means to me to be here with you, bro. It's for real, man. Thank you so much, man. Yes, sir. 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