 You Can Now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications bell so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live. So my're on and todays' guest we have got Gene Barrello. Gene how are we? I'm doing alright man you know. Out of prison? Yes out of prison again. So you're kind of like that Mae'r amser yw'r ddod yma o'r Mathew yma, o'n yr 80s, 90s. Mae'r ysgol yw'r ddod yma, dwi'n meddwl fel gweithio. Felly mae'r ddod yn y Mathew, ond mae'r ddod yn ymryd digwydd. Mae'r ddod y modd, y modd, roborau, mwylo, ychydig. Mae'r ddod yn ddod, mae'n ddod yn ddod. Mae'r ddod am gyfnod. Ond mae'r problemau fel yw, yn ddod, mae'n ddod, mae'n ddod yn y dyma o ddod roedd,干 yn ychydig wedi cael hynny olaf chi'n cychwyn y gallwn cipdyn nhaw. A tydd, rydyn ni ar y pethau. Rydyn ni'n credu y pethau ychydig. Felly, yna rhagdydd ar y casgliad 90-90 o lwyddon, rydyn ni wedi cael caeddiad. Rydyn ni'n cael diagrygu'n gweithrebu, rydyn ni'n cael diagrygu'n gweithrebu'r Rhysgwyr yn 80. A rydyn ni'n ceisio, yma chi'n arddug adrodd ychydig ar o Kasgliad, a rydyn ni'n cael ddweithrebu'r Rhysgwyr. ddim yn rhan o'r llaw. Felly'r FBI i fynd i'r cyffredin ac i'w ffordd i gael i gael rhan o'r ffordd i gael i'r Gwyrdd. Dwi'n meddwl sy'n meddwl siarad a chael gwlad ac rhan o'r bwrdd. A i ddim yn i'n meddwl chi'n gweithio at gynnwys, fel y ti'n gwybod. Felly mae'n gweithio i gael i gael, dwi'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r gweithio i gael i'r gweithio. Felly mae'n meddwl i'n meddwl i gael i chi. Rwy'n meddwl i chi, drwy'n meddwl i chi. I had my own park, and then Howard Beach, and that was the motherland of Italians, you could say. Was that about a change? It's always on park change now, but Howard Beach is still Italian. Italian, Irish, German, but mostly an organized crime, should I say. What were you like at school? Horrible. Just a horror show. I was kicked out of so many schools, my mother used to hide from the teachers outside, they would come out. It just wasn't meant for me. I couldn't do it. I didn't like it, should I say. What about parents? Good. My mother was good. My dad was, you know, obviously I get his genetics. He was a wild guy, wasn't a mafia guy, but a street dude. He was a shooter, a robber, did a lot of jail time as well. He passed away about a year ago now. That's what he did. Yeah, and I got close to him later on, but when we were younger, he and my mom got divorced at like, you know, eight years old, and I went with my mother and he went to Canada basically. How much does that affect you? As a kid, now you're a bit older. The look back finger was a part of your life where... I mean, yeah, you're always going to go down that route. I don't use that excuse. You know what I mean? It wasn't about him. Not my dad or going like that. I was just bad. You know, it was just in my DNA, I think, and where I grew up, you know, so it was just now blood. Do you see a lot of yourself in your dad? Yeah. I mean, well, his hot, his bipolar hotness and hot head and violentness. Yeah, that's what I inherited from him, should I say. What was it like in school then kicked out all the time? Yeah, I didn't make it to the ninth grade. They put me in self-contained in ninth grade for behavioral problems. I was going in. I went in junior high school. They tried to put me in the self-contained. And then... What's that? That means you can't move around. Like you're a bad kid. They put you in like, you can't go to other classes. They have you in just one class. Like a fucking prison? Yeah, basically like for the misbehaved kids. So then in high school, they kept trying to do that to me and then I was done. I just left. What was your friends like then? All bad. All bad kids, pretty much, you know. Most of the kids I grew up with, a lot of them are dead. A lot of them overdosed on drugs. A lot of them are in prison serving life or in jail. That's it, you know. And what was the mafia? Did you know much about the mafia? Yeah, I did. I was born around it. So my uncle was found in the Ogyano. My grandfather was affiliated with them as well. My cousin Johnny Boy was a Gambino hitter. My whole family was around it. So it was pretty much all around me when I grew up. I was best friends with Gotti's grandson. One of the other grandsons worked for me when I got older. All of us were related, you know. It was just a soap opera. That they didn't tell me, but you know, I mean, nobody in that neighborhood is really going to tell you don't do that because everybody was trying to do that. You know what I mean? So we really didn't have nobody telling us that. My mother, I moved out the house when I was like 17 years old. So, you know. Who was the families in power at that moment? What families? My neighborhood was Bernardo Gambino. That was the most in Howard Beach Ozone Park. That was what was over there. Gambino, Bernardo. That's what you're going to end up with if you grew up in Howard Beach Ozone Park. Was that an attraction for you straight away? Yeah, it was, you know. What sort of, what age did you start getting into sort of crime? And that mafia crime, 15, 16 years old. I started off young, petty stuff, you know. And then I kept getting worse and worse. So how do you get recruited then? I would say, I could say recruited, but I was, they always look for the bad kids. They don't want an altar boy. They don't want a kid that, you know, is a good kid. They look for the bad kids and they look for the kids that, you know, are capable of doing anything you need them to do. You know what I mean? So I was basically recruited by the Gambino's at first, but they really weren't into the violence. And the banana side was. So the crew I got with the bananas, they were still believed in guns and violence and hurting and killing where the Gambino guys I was supposed to go with without true care on them, they were all about money. The bananas were both money and violence. So I had told this story before, why I went with the banana crime families because I had done something. Somebody tried to kill me in a highway and they shot my friend through the throat. And my other friend in the back, I knew who it was. I wanted to kill him. I went to the Gambino's. I said, I'm killing this kid. They were like, no, no, no, you're not doing that. His followers, the wise guy that I said, I fuck you. I went to the other side. I went to the bananas and they're like, yeah, get him. So how is that? Add in the mafia when you try and switch sides? Is that allowed? I was never on record yet with somebody. So I was floating. I didn't know who I was going to go with. You know, I was supposed to go with Gambino's because I was born Gambino, but my best friend was Bobby Geolanzo and his uncle was Vinnie O'Sarrow and Ronnie Geolanzo. They were both captains and soldiers and ranks and they all family was just the structure of the bananas. So I had my choice literally and I ended up going with the banana guys. Who tried to kill you? This kid Phil Galena. We had beat him up and cracked a bottle that was had me and Chris Cagnata and he put money on our heads with the Albanians and they shot into a car. We were coming out of a nightclub and we were on the highway and they shot into a car at us. They tried to kill us, try to kill me in the car. I ended up shooting my innocent friend and another friend of mine. How does that play in your mind? Well, you know, we were pretty, you know, I was pretty mad, you know, because that's not how you carry out a hit. You know what I mean? He's supposed to wake me to come out of my house or sit on me, you know, shoot innocent people. You know what I mean? So he left after that. I went to Italy. He knew he knew he didn't get his targets and you know, I went back. I shot his house up multiple times. I blew his cars up. We threw a half a stick of dynamite in his brother's pickup truck with his brother in it. We tried to shoot his brother with a shotgun. You know, we were going hard at them. We actually made his brother, we actually made him and his family move. Did your friend die? No, he didn't. Miraculously, he survived. He got hit right through the throat, right through here and the doctor just said that he missed everything right as much. He died twice on the operating table. They brought him back and you know, he's like in the record, but like the medical record books almost like the being alive. How old were you at this? Well, I was only 20. This was all this 2005. So I was 21 years old. You feel a committee that this team rough that life? I was involved. Yes. I was. We mean what I involved. Yes, I was. Heavily. Yes. Yes. When did you start kind of making noise and getting attention? 20 years old. We were doing arm robberies. We were doing stick ups, me and Bobby G. We were holding guys up a lot on card games, drug dealers. We were doing scores, jewelry stores. We started getting that reputation as being big arm robbers in violence, stabbing people, beating guys with bats. We started getting that reputation from just me and him doing our own thing. You know what I mean? But they knew we were related and we could have went anywhere we wanted. And then finally, when Ronnie really had enough is and they were basically like, all right, you've got to stop now. We had stuck up a guy coming out of a card game and it happened to be a big shot card game. A game being a card game and we almost, we should have got killed for it. And we had to give everything back. I ended up pistol whipping the guy. It was a bad situation. And we had to give all the stuff back. And Ronnie basically told us, you know, we had to get a little bit of a beating and basically told us, this is it, like no more of shit. You know, and we didn't stop obviously. We told him, yeah, but we were still robbing. You know what I mean? So, but we just, you know, did a little better. What was that like when you had to get a beating and face it? Well, it's better than getting killed. You know, I mean, it's that, you know, you never know, because people say, oh, murder, murder was still around then. You know, did we think we were going to die? I did for a second because that was very disrespectful what we did. But when they made me meet them at a funeral parlabasement. Yeah, so this is scare us. I almost was going to leave. I wasn't going to go. You know, I was. Fuck that. Yeah. I went on over there. But I knew I was going with Bobby G and that's Vinnie Sowers nephew. I'm still fighting these nephew, even though he's dead. My cousin didn't cooperate yet Anthony. So I was like, I don't think they're going to kill me. But anyway, they handed us over to my people and Ronnie and them had to beat up me and Bobby a little bit. Not in bed, but just to give us a, you have to get something. I won them. Not even a one and you have to get something. You know what I mean for what we did and we disrespected their turf. It could look like the banana sent us there to do that. You know what I mean? It could look like they said, fuck that place. Go do it. You know how many people are in their families at this team? So usually all the families stay equal. You always got at least 200 soldiers made members and then you have about 27 captains about that around each family will have that. Boss on the boss consigliad and then you have associates waiting to come up, become members. So you pick the banana family probably had at that time with associates, 500 people. So the five boroughs is still strong on me though. It's a good and we all know each other. You know what I mean? So at the time it was pretty strong. That's before Joe Massino cooperated. You know, was it more political and your leader? It's very, everything's political. Everything's rules. Everything's you know, you can't do this, you can't do that, you break rules, you got to get dealt with or you know, whatever might happen, you know. How did you deal with rules? I broke them. I was there with them. Yeah, I was not going with them. Not at all. Do you become a threat though? Then? No, I mean, yeah, I did, but they liked me a lot because I was very capable. So they knew, you know, they had something good. You know what I mean? Why did you enjoy violence so much? I don't know. I can't explain it. I was just good at it, getting it done. I like hunting people. You know, I could say like, I would like to sit on them. You know, see where I get them. It was kind of fun to me. Sounds sick, but it's a truth. You know, I guess I learned that from doing on robberies because it's the same thing and hunting someone, you know, you got to scope them out, get them, whatever. So when they started to make me get, you know, beat people up, shoot people, it's the same thing. You're just basically sitting on them, hunting them in the best place to get them. You know? What was it like doing your first arm drop at it? Yeah, so it was nerve-wracking because to switch over, you know, to guns and doing that, you know, it's, you just got to, I was, when we're getting taught to do that, just do it. Don't think. You know, don't think everything is going to go wrong at that moment. Just do it. So I started getting, I was a ballsy kid and yeah, we were just running down, you were guns and you know, I would shoot you, so you know. And that was just from a young age? Yeah, I started like 18 doing on robberies. Yeah. How many in your team? I've done, I mean, when I profit, I mean, literally, you know, I can't lie obviously because you know, I have profits. Like everything I admit it to, you can't bullshit because they don't look at your crimes. I probably did over 150 robberies. They had me down as one of the worst robbery teams in like the five boroughs for organized crime, not gangs, but for the Italian community for the five boroughs. There's no bullshit that had us down as one of the worst robbery teams. When did you start to realize that you had something about you? You were violent, you were capable? When Vinnie was bragging about me in social clubs, I knew that I was going to be something. And who's Vinnie? Asaro. And who's he? A legendary gangster from the Bernardo family. So I know when he was bragging about me and his nephew in social clubs, I says, yeah, we're definitely going to make it in this life. You know what I mean? Because you don't talk good about nobody. You never, I never knew he liked me. He was yelling at me. Is that because he tried to get you? Yeah. So when he sees guys that are tough, he tries to knock you down and he don't want you to walk around at your chest out so he'll make you know I'm the boss. You shut the fuck up. I mean, you know. So when did you get involved with the mafia? I'd say strongly 20 years old. And what happens then when they come calling? You have to do it. You never say no. I was taught you just never say no. If you want to prosper in that life, no, don't exist. You understand? So anything they order you do, you just do it. And you were willing to do anything? Yeah. So I mean, it was funny because they would tell me to do something and then they think like I'm doing it a day or two. I come back in a couple hours and I go, it's done. They're like, already? I was like, yeah, it's done already. Don't worry about it. I was on it. I wanted to please them and show them that I was the best guy I had. How many was on your crew? My crew was Jerry O'Sarrow, was the crew captain, him and his father, Vinnie O'Sarrow. Jackie and Ronnie were two acting captains. Then you had Mike Pomecio, Mike Patavona, Ricky Kessler, who was a tough, tough guy. Me, Bobby Geolanzo and then a few other guys. But those are the main guys. Jimmy Unit, Jimmy Aurora, Frankie Bones, Pudgy. There was a bunch of us. How the fuck do you remember all those names? Well, we were together every day. I mean, this is not your acquaintances. We're in a social club together every day. You know, hanging out every day. You know, rhyming every day. Who was the most violent? For my crew? Yeah. At the time, Bobby Geolanzo, my partner, he was vicious because he was with those razor blades and knives. He was like, you know, into that hacking shit. You know what I mean? I wasn't. I'll shoot you. These guys into that fucking massacre shit. You know, cutting people out. Hold your face down and cut. We thought one time we were fighting in a nightclub. I never forget this. It was so gross. And we thought we seen Bobby with his knees planted in the guy's chest. So it looked like he's slapping him. He's got a fucking box cutter. He's frigging hacking his face up in his head. We were calling him Bobby Chainsaw Massacre after that. This kid was like, he was nuts with a knife. He couldn't put one in his hand. So he was definitely the most gruesome. You know, but I was the most ballsy because I'll shoot you and brought daylight for an everybody. Did the police know who he's where? Yeah, at the time. Well, we didn't know that. See the FBI, you'll never know that they're watching you until they come. But we knew our faces had to be on the wall because we're hanging out with people that are, you know, big in that mob in that family. Does that bring heat though? Violence? Yes, of course. Yeah, absolutely. But you understand you have to be violent. If you're a loan shark and you're loaning money and you're a punk, you're not a tough guy, why the fuck am I going to pay you? What am I scared of? Like what is it? Oh, you're going to kill me? You never did nothing. You never beat nobody in your life. What am I scared of? What's the fear? You understand? So what our crew, when they say, oh, we're going to hurt you, people are nervous because we were really doing that. Walk it in your business. A guy over me will beat you up right in your business. You know what I mean? In front of your customers. What sort of jobs are you getting? A lot of dead beat lists. You know, guys that aren't paying, they're backed up or, you know, a couple of guys in our crew that weren't tough, they'd say go help them out, collect the money. This guy disrespected this one, did that, you know, go slap them around, go did this. It wasn't always shoot them, beat them up. That's only on circumstances where you really disrespected us or it could be one dollar. If you say fuck you, I'm not paying you, that's how you get killed. That's the best way to get killed. If you could owe $300,000 and you could come to us and go, listen, I can't pay, I'm jammed up, help me. We'll work with you. But if you say I'm not paying, that's it. How was it being in the mafia at that time, especially with the late 80s, 90s, with everybody tunneling, everybody waiting for wires, everybody cooperating, was it on the back here and made that, this is a fucked up life or that you just want to be part of that? We just want to be a part of it. We really want to think about that. We're like, ah, no, we're not like that. You know what I mean? So we didn't care. And like I said, there was a lot of crew still. In the early 2000s, that neighbor was flooded out with organized crime. Did you feel untouchable? Yeah, I did for a little second. Because not because of who I was with, but because I was a pistol packer. I was really bad with guns. I always had them on me, you know? Why were you so fascinated with guns? I don't know. I picked it up. It was my downfall in life. I picked them up at 16 years old. I just liked them. Sense of power? Yeah, I just liked it. Yeah, I don't know why. Maybe because I was a scrawny, skinny kid and I always needed weapons, I didn't get bigger till I was older. So I figured to win the battle with a weapon. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I guess then I picked up the gun and that was it. I never put it down. Gave you some power? Yeah, and I was capable of using them. Some people, not everyone's capable of using a gun. People say, oh, it's easy to shoot someone. I know a lot of guys that froze up with guns and they're very scared of them. You know? Yeah, I had an ACS manual and he says over 90% of people with guns miss. Missed a target because they'll shake you. And not only that, they're scared. You know, you think it's not easy to go sit on someone and then hop out on them and shoot them. You've got to be a ballsy dude. You've got to be willing to do it. What was it like shooting someone for the first time? Well, like it says, if you're not hitting them in the head or a mean target, you don't even know you hit them. You do know that. If it's a low caliber gun, you might not even know you hit them. You know that, right? I mean, if you play with guns, if you shoot somebody, you don't hit them in the stomach, you don't hit them in the head, you might not know he's hit. You just get out of there. You'll know later on. Right there in there, you might not even know you hit them. I know guys that were shot in their ass to let them know they were hit till they got home. My Ronnie Geolanzel's problem on my Kinsey's, my girlfriend. He got shot six times in his stomach when he was 22. He had no clue till he got into his house, laying in his bed with blood coming all out of him. Yeah. What's the worst thing you've seen in that life? What's the worst thing I've seen? The worst thing I've seen. Me and my partner, a beta guineality debt with a tire iron and brass knuckles. We physically, we thought he was dead. Did you not beat one of your friends up and he shot himself as well? We've heard our own friends, but I mean this was the most gruesome thing I felt we did. We split his head open with a tire iron, we beat him with brass knuckles. The guy looked pretty much dead, you know what I'm saying? How about is that when you get told to hand my friend us? You always tell our friend. That's hot. So I did shoot one of my friends. Right, but he had broke a carnal sin. He robbed us, robbed one of Ronnie's main earners. And he was a real tough guy, Chris Cagnata. He's one of the worst guys around. And yeah, that was grimy when I did to him. He trusted me. I met up with him and I shot him. And everyone knew about that. His girlfriend hit me with a car. Yeah, she's a ballsy girl. I like that. She cracked me with the car. Yeah, respect that. She should have been on the map. Gina Palmer. Yeah, she cracked me with the car. I never forget that. I put four shots at him and she fucking ran me over. Put me in the air. Yeah. Some of the women. Broad daylight. Some of the women are tough. April 2006. Broad daylight. Yeah. What do you think when you get out with the car? Well, I got nervous because I wasn't supposed to kill him. And then my dad was living with me at the time. And I went back to the house. I said, go check out what happened. Because my dad is, you know, he's like, ah, he went over. He said there's yellow tape everywhere. I'm thinking I killed him because there's yellow tape. You know what I mean? I'm not understanding. They'd tape it off for any kind of fire. Anything with guns. So then later on, I found out that I didn't, you know, kill him. But I was happy about that because the order wasn't to kill him. When was the first time you were in prison? 18. What for? Key local cane. Yeah, you were not supplying gear with your granddad? Yeah. Me and my grandfather. Fucked up. Yeah. What chance you got me when you're fucking shifting gear with your granddad? Yeah. So my grandpa was a street dude. And he got, we got set up by a guy named Danny Marcia. He had told my grandfather he'd a brick of coke. And my grandfather says, I got to get this guy a kilo. I says, well, I get good prices. What are you getting for? I says, I'll get a few for cheaper. We'll make more money on it. And it was a sting operation. It was a setup. Man. So we got busted. We went to CVS. They were coming out of CVS. We're like customers, but they were cops. So it was a sting operation. And we, that's when the first time I went to prison. What was that like for you? It was Adolescent Rycazhan. It was rough. It was real bad. I didn't understand it at first. You know, I didn't really interacted with gang members. Always Italians, you know. So I really didn't interact with gang members that much. When I came home, I started using gang members because I seen how capable they were. They had co-honors. But before that, I never really interacted with them. And then Adolescent Rycazhan, it was rough, you know. Did prison make you worse? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, that's the thing is that they don't, they're not both a rehabilitation. We'll go on into the worst county in the country. It's the worst prison in the United States of America. Many mafia and Italians. No, none, none. You're on your own. Only federal has all of us. State, they're not really in there. How are you treated? Well, they like the Italians gang members. They love that mafia issue. They love all of that. But at first, they didn't know anything about me. I was getting into a lot of fights. Got my t-chip that got jumped, a whole bunch of shit, you know. Lost some fights. These kids are strong. Yeah, I was losing some shit, you know, but I never backed down and then I got cool with everybody. I ended up doing 19 months and then I came home. And then that was it. I was full blown in the street. Y gran dad, he passed away in prison? He died in prison, yes. From that? No, in another case. He came home and then he got caught up with another case. So y gran dad's sailing gear. He's in prison. Y dad's a fucking bank robber. My dad was really wild when he was younger. My father was a real nut when he was in his 70s. My dad's older. My dad would have been almost 70 years old now, but my father was wild in the street, you know. T.C. You were going down? He was gone most of my life. He was in Canada. We really would just see when he came back until. Well, I always tell his story now once in a while. My dad had robbed somebody for like 800,000 and took off to Canada. That's what really happened. Everybody knows his story. He ended up robbing. He's a nut. Yeah, he took off with 800,000 in a baseball bag. He's supposed to transport a whole ton of tons of cocaine and he ended up robbing and he had to go to Canada. My cousin yet then he saved me because they were going to kidnap me to get the money back. Yeah. My mother, he came to see me on mother in a hotel before he left. He had friggin 800,000 in cash. He gave us a few, some money out of it and that was it and took off and I didn't see him for years. Then he came back and that was it. That's. What was it like when he came back? Your dad? Well, he went to jail out in Canada so he came back to stay with me. So that's why. What was it like when he stayed with you? He was crazy. Well, I got along with him but he was crazy. You know, he's a crazy guy. Did you build a relationship with him? What was that going on? Yeah, we were basically friends and everything but I ended up going to jail for him. Why? He got jumped at a bar and they hit him in the head with a hammer and I went there blazing and I got caught with the gun firing it and everything. So I ended up doing 36 years for that. What age? 22. So you've always been in and out of prison? Yeah, came home at 26 and then right back to work with my guys. What was present like the second team? Yeah, it was still rough. At that time I was a little older. I went into the state prison and I had a real problem with sex offenders. I didn't like them and they put me in a sex offender jail. So we had a real problem with that. So I didn't make it in that jail long. We were terrorizing them and I had met my good friend Frankie Pascore in there and he got really close. He was a mob guy and we got kicked out of that prison fast. We ended up cutting somebody beat another guy up. We were just bad in there. We got kicked out. The green was one of the worst mediums in the state and then I went home from there but I was constantly in shit, you know? And plus you have to keep your reputation up because it follows you. If they find out you're a punk in jail it goes back to the street, you know what I mean? So I had to keep up the reputation, you know? Why did they put you in next to the sex cases? Because it's like this. In the state it's random. You just go into a hub. It don't matter. They can send you into any hub they want. I went to Lakeview. That's Buffalo and I ended up couldn't stay there so they stripped me to Groveland. Groveland has a sex offender program in it and I'm like, what are you talking about? So 75% of population was fucking sex offenders and I was not okay with that. So I ended up getting kicked out of that spot and going to like a really bad medium. What did you do in your commute after that sentence? Oh, I came home right to a dead beat list. Ronnie was so happy because Ronnie was serving time at the time and Ronnie was so happy I was out and he's like, you know, I got a whole bunch of work for you to do. Right back to work. Straight up here? Yep. I was in home six months. I shot somebody from. Yeah. Were you willing to die on that life? Yeah, I mean, I would have. Yeah, I mean, um, yeah, at that time I would have took a bullet for him as well. You know? So, um, yeah, I was willing to die. Who did you respect the most? I respected in that life. Yeah. I don't want to say Vinnie a Sarrow, but I definitely looked up to him the most, Vinnie. But Ronnie, gee, I respected a lot as well. So I would say I'd be out of them two in that life. They both trained me. That's who I worked directly for. So that's who schooled me on that mostly. So I would say them two the most. So you go to a prison and then you do that. Biting prisons, that correct? Oh, yeah. I had a 50-month run and then it was lights out over for me. What happened? Oh, they had me on everything. They were investigating us for years. We had no idea. Yeah, everybody was wearing wires. My cousin was wearing a wire. The other guy was wearing a wire. We had like four wires on us. Body taps, car taps, you name it. Mike Frew was making millions of dollars. My boss bought a $3 million home. You know, he was hop away with that. He goes and builds a mansion on the corner, looked like an estate. He had no job, no income, but he's living in a house that looks like it's on MTV Krebs. You know what I mean? It was insane. So we were just front and center. We were doing violence. We were making money. We were like, they called our case the last real mafia case. Of the five girls. They had everything on it. Violence, money, everything. 21 people, no more of that, you know? How much were you making? At my high, I never lie. At my high was about 40 to 50,000 a month. That's the highest I ever went to. But I would never see it because I was a party guy. So if I made 50, I spent 80. You know what I'm saying? So I wouldn't even know if I made it. It was like, all right, you know? How much were you drinking cocaine? Have you ever seen this? No, I partied here and there, but I was more of a club guy, night club guy, but I went out from Monday to Sunday. So when Ronnie was in jail, I got away with all of that. When he came home, I couldn't really do that no more, but before he came home, I was just telling my buddy that from 2010 to 2013, I was partying like a rock star. When he got out, it was no more of that, you know? Could you party in that lifestyle if the bosses were out and on it? I wouldn't have got away with it. When Ronnie was away, I got away with a lot more, but they assigned me with Vinny. Vinny I said I was an old time adult, but, you know, I got away with a lot more because Ronnie would have been on me more if he was out, because he's always kept telling everybody, you got to watch this kid. He'll tear the whole fucking city up. You got to watch him. You got to be on him because once you let this kid lose, he starts going crazy. So that was a little bit of a problem I had, you know? I gave them a lot of headaches, you know? Do you miss that life? Yeah, I do. I miss my friends. You know, I miss some people I came up with, but right now I live a pretty good life. I have great friends around me, great people. It's like I have a whole new life with all great friends again, but I definitely miss how can I say it without sounding like I glorify it, but I used to like doing what I did. You know what I mean? I did. I used to like it. Yeah, I can expect that. Yeah, I did. I did used to like it. You know, I was a pistol-packing nut. That's the reputation I created. I had a good name. You know what I mean? I was known everywhere. But you know, we're doing a lot of fucked up shit too. A lot of shit comes with that life that we were doing. You know, grimey shit. And you know, like I said, now I sit back. I have a lot of victims that contact me still to this day. Yeah, it's pretty weird. I had a man on, come face to face with the man he kidnapped and tortured 30 years ago. Right. Yeah, I have some shit like that. Yeah. And again, you can see this distress in both these men. Right. Because we're all fucking human. We all feel. No matter how game or mad we think we are, everything comes to the head. Right. Whether it's fucking 10 years, 30 years, 40 years, something comes to a talk where we end up having a meltdown or something. Because we're all sensitive beings. No matter how many guys people fucking shit our robberies have done. Right. People are sensitive, especially men, but how's that feeling when victims approach you? Well, like I said, you see, with me, there wasn't many guys running around like me for the mafia, organized crime anymore. That's what the problem was. If I was in the 80s and 90s, I'm a dime a dozen. Everybody was like that. Mm-hmm. You had 100 shooters, guys that were dying to kill someone, making a name for themselves. My area, there wasn't really too many. It was a hand full of us. So we stood out like sore thumbs. You know what I mean? So, I mean, to get to the point, to get to your question, when they contact me, I tell them you know the game. It was not impersonal, it was just business. You know what I'm saying? You were a drug dealer, I robbed you. We knew you had a lot of money, we wanted it. I mean, it's that simple. It's not like we had something personal against you, you know what I'm saying? So you were taxing a lot of drug dealers back then? Yeah, we did. How was that? Because you know yourself, the mafia, they don't have drugs, but everybody seemed to fucking sell drugs. We were all selling it. Yeah, it's all bullshit. You know, but you won't. So, it's like this. The mob will be like, all right, you'll go grab a drug deal, for instance. You know, all right, yeah, I'm going to give you 5,000 a month to protect me. We'll take the money. Yeah, yeah, we got your back. If it goes to a table, we don't know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying? It's basically a Ponzi scheme. We really can't protect you. You know what I mean? Unless you want to lie and say, oh, that's not drug money, it's loan shark money. You know what I'm saying? To lie and switch a story of Vinnie used to do that. But we really can't protect drug dealers. So we just better off robbing them. Because if you shake them down, and then we go to sit down for them, we can't sit for them. You can't sit for drugs. No wise guys going to get involved in it. You're not allowed. What was your daily routine like? Oh, I was just fucking collecting money, constantly scheming, plotting. You know, seeing what I need to be done. Going to the club, social club, you know, checking up on. I had to watch card games as well. You know, Ronnie had a card game. I had to always make sure it was all right. Everything to make sure the money was, you know, operating. So when did the whole come on top? What year? With the police? Oh, September 2014, I was arrested. Yeah. What are you thinking then? Because it's not as if you've not done presenting. You've done a few sentences. Do you know what I'm saying? So it's not as if you're fucking turned straight away and cooperated. What was the, what's the moment then? When it comes on top, you see people wearing wires. Because it's the same patterns. First of all, the police fucking love the food. I'm going to make you laugh right now. When I first got locked up, I didn't realize how bad it was. I, you know, I was being locked up for. My cousin set me up. I was going to a wedding. And I went into his house. I stood over, I walked out the house and I got stormed by fucking 100 cops under covers. It was state organized crime task force. I'm wondering like, I asked him, he said, use the FBI. They said, no. So I'm like, all right, I'm good. I was in the FBI. I've been like some bullshit. You know what I mean? I go to fucking arraiment. I had no idea my cousin set me up and they said that arraiment. And then when he said the charges, I knew I was in trouble. Home invasions, guns. I never sold guns. Somehow I got charged with selling guns, gun possession. I had the timer ready for that. So I knew I was in trouble in the state with the guns and that stuff and the robberies. And then Florida re-arrested me a week later. And then I was another armed robbery on a jewelry store. So I knew I was looking at a lot of time. And then when I got the actual discovery for my case, my lawyer had to wheel it in. He had to wheel it in because it was wire taps this high. I was only 2200 of the pages. And my lawyer says, this is bad. He's like, this is federal. You have also federal problems. I says, so what am I looking at? I says, do you think you get me 20 years for everything? He goes on a chance in hell. He goes on a chance in hell. You're going to get 20 years for this stuff. He goes, you're going to get ping ponged all over. Florida's looking to give you 10 years. States going to give you seven. And the feds is going to fry you. They're going to fry you. You know, because all the crimes, obviously they have me on all kinds of shootings, robberies, home invasions, arsins, assaults, everything. Loan shock and legal gambling. And then, you know, I'm looking at 40 years, man. Blow trial and natural life. Because obviously the same patterns that people wear in wires was nobody getting set, started partied down. You never think that, you know, because why are you wearing a wire? What did you really get caught for? My cousin wore a wire because he was selling drugs to an undercover with his baby in his arms, pulling the drugs out of a fucking backpack. How do you even give him a deal? You know what I mean? But they wanted us. So, you know, he set me up. You know? What you find cumin was a challenge you're getting life. I tried to get his dog killed from Rikers Island. And I love animals. I tried to have a little goddie. He was with me, a little goddie. And my friend, Fat Matt, killed his dog. But that's how mad I was. And I love animals. And that's how I wanted to get him because he loved his dog mossimals, like his big bull massive. And I was trying to get the dog whacked out. Yeah. We know his wife was walking it because his wife was living with his grandfather, Courtney. And we were trying to get the dog. I was trying to get the dog killed. Yeah. That's how mad I was. But then eventually, you know, I threw in the towel myself. So 19 months later, I cooperated. How many people were on the indictment? 21. How many people cooperated? Oh, secretly? Oh, dozens. Informants that weren't never locked up? Dozens. I know five guys that were wise. I know guys that committed multiple crimes denying on the indictment. Everybody knows they cooperated. I mean, you're probably talking on my case, the 21 guys didn't cooperate. There was probably about 19 cooperators total that were given information and wearing wise. Do you think a lot of people were trying to get into the mafia knowing they always had that free pass of cooperating if they ever get caught? No. I never thought I'd do that. No, but are some people? I mean, no, because like, guys shouldn't be cooperating over five years or 10 years. You know what I mean? Like that's not even like that's nothing. You know, when you start getting into the 30s, 40s, 50s, life sentences, you don't know where someone stands at. But for the most part, I never thought somebody would cooperate over five years or 10 years. You don't even think that. Like you got to do five years, bro. I could do that on my head. I did that ratting. I had to do six years still. You know what I'm saying? Like that's not a time. So if you're cooperating over that, you should have never been in the street. You know what I mean? A guy like me, it's facing forever and a day. You know, it's rough. You know, it's a hard pill to swallow. How does that change things? Because I know people watch. They go, oh, there's snitches and this and that. Listen, we understand it, but if you're getting off for the 150 years, it changes the game, doesn't it? Right. I was made about a lot of other things. I'm not going to make excuses. I did what I did, but there's a lot of other things. Like my little brother was getting seven years. That was big, hard for me. And I had to get him out of it. And I got him out of it. But you know, there's a lot of things that I didn't like Ronnie did and a lot of things was going on. But for the most part, it was hard to say, you know, I'm 31 years old at the time, you're going to be home possibly when you're 74 years old. You know what I mean? Are you naive to a lot of that life still when you're in it as well, thinking like you say earlier, everything's untouchable. You never think you'll get caught. You're thinking it's because it seems like a movie. I didn't think I'd be facing that much time. I didn't realize the crimes I was doing because the RICO law is so crazy. Their laws are so different. Like you could shoot a guy in the leg for an organization and get 20 years. Where in the state you shoot a guy, you get five years, three years. When they grab the crime, it becomes, you did it to up your position in the organization. They word it horribly. You cop out to these ridiculous guidelines, tend the life, 15 to life. It's up to the judge. You are a minimum mandatory. It's crazy. Their laws are just sick. The RICO law is insane. So when you got RICO, it's it with violence and shootings and robberies, you're done. You're never, you're going to be away for a long time. For the U.K. audience, what was RICO? RICO, RICO racketeering act. So it was built for Italian mafia. They can never get the guys in the back in the seat, and they can never get the guys calling the shots. So they built it, they built the RICO act to get the guys out of the shot calls. They basically can indict you on hearsay. No evidence. He say hearsay. You understand? Yeah. I could just say you did it with me and you're organized crime. The shoe fits, you're going to wear it. It's crazy. Do you think if they want you to get you? Yes. With organized crime, they had unlimited funds at the time when they were powerful. They could extra any amount of money they want. We were over terrorism in New York at one time. We were more important than terrorists. Think about that. So you must have been bringing a lot of heat to the... Well, I was bringing a lot of heat, definitely because we were doing a lot of violence and people wanted us off the street, you know? Could you have been killed? Yeah, absolutely. They made a few attempts on me. When? They tried to kill me in my house when a machine gun, they shot my house up with a machine gun, Chris Cagnata. They tried to kill me in front of my house another time with a shotgun. They tried to kill me in the highway. Just beef and stuff, you know? I wasn't invincible. How do you sleep when you're not that late? I just sleep when I've gone under my pillow. Maybe sick. Yeah, my ex-girlfriend used to laugh. I haven't run under the pillow at all times. Always had it under my pillow. How was the part of Noia? I was... Yeah, I mean I always circled the block. I always watched everything, you know? Because like I said, I was doing a lot of shit. And you know, Robin drug deals too. They could put money on you as well, you know? But yeah, I was very aware of my surroundings. So how long were you unpleasant for before you cooperated? 19 months. What's that decision when you decide to cooperate? There's a piece of... It was really random because I had no intentions on it at first and then I just got like a weird visit. And I knew it didn't make sense because the day that I was getting a visit, I wasn't expecting nobody and it wasn't even a visit day. And a white shirt came to see me which is like a high rank officer. They don't come to bring you to a fucking visit. It's a regular CO. And I looked at her and I'm known for the building. I was in that building a very long time. I was causing a lot of havoc in that building. Fighting with gang members, holding down kids that couldn't protect themselves. So every one of the officers knew me. I was in this house for a particular long time. So everybody knew I was in newspapers. You know, everyone knew what I was in that building. And they told me you have a visit. I looked at her in the cell and I said visit. I said there's no visit today. I looked at her just like I said it's the beds. She goes, I said all right. I said I'm going down there. Fuck this. The time I was just, you know, let me see what they got to say. I went down there. It was agents Robin Adam. They're known, known, but I don't cry for any agents. I already knew who they were. And they says this is the last time. We're only time we're going to come see you. You are indicted by the government. You will be indicted. You aren't like you're very indicted. You will be dying in prison most likely. That's your outcome. Nobody has your back no more. You know, on white tabs, obviously things. Me and Ronnie weren't good anymore really. And they says we're going to give you opportunity right now. And I just agreed. What happens then when you're equal? Is that an easy decision or is that a decision when you feel there's something dies inside? I just, you know, I was a little more than that being said. And I just said, you know, you know, I just thought about it. I said, listen, I got to get out of shit with my brother, everybody. I says, yeah, I says, give me the fucking paper. And I had this line of paper and I had to meet up with the prosecutors. And that was it. How long do you speak to the prosecutors for? Well, I had a lot of shit. So when you got a profit and as much crimes that I had, you know, they have to know everything about you, everything you did. So I sat with them a lot. So this is why even with these podcasts, I know people shout snitching at, but these podcasts are better because people can actually talk what they've done because they've got a free pass to talk. Yeah. And all people came on, I think, because the people incriminate themselves. Even the guy who was talking about the two-pack murder, he's full. Romandi? He says he was in the car at the two-pack murder and he just got... Oh, yeah, he got indidifference. Yeah. Well, you see, if you don't have coverage, you see I profit, so I have coverage on all my crimes. I can talk about anything. But you'll really know because if a guy didn't have a case for the government or didn't profit, you can't talk about your crimes if it's murder because there's no statute of limitation. They'll come lock you up. There's guys that just bullshit on here and say anything, you know what I mean? There's no real crime. It's just fake, you know what I mean? So you can back everything you see up his billboard? It's public knowledge. Yeah. I mean, I just documented in federal paperwork. I'm Associate 1 all over my indictment, which is just consists of guns, shootings, armed robberies. That's the FBI of my... I'm Associate 1. Ricky Kessil is Associate 2. Vinnie Rosetti was Associate 3. And Bobby Geolanzo was Associate 4, which I don't know why. I still can't figure it out to this day. All the ones that were that were cooperators. And Bobby G, my partner, was never locked up. I still can't figure it out to this day because they won't tell you was Associate 4. They never put his name in the paperwork. When you're a cooperator, they don't put your name in the paperwork. And I kept saying that don't make sense. Because when you were on both sides, you know, you could just look at paperwork now and know who's cooperating. He looked like a rat on paperwork. See when you're going... And that's the boss' nephew. See when you cooperate, if you've got to have a lawyer there, because how the fuck can you trust them? If you could admit two things and they may just add to the indictment, how do you sit there with trust? Well, they knew everything already. They needed me because I was just checking off the boxes. You know what I mean? They knew everything pretty much. I was just confirming everything. I was the last guy to cooperate. They already had a case on investigation with guys wearing wires for years. So I was just, you know, datting the eyes, you want to say, you know, crossing the T's, that was it. And what happens if you lie once? Oh, you're fucked. They'll rip your fucking deal up. Yeah, you'll do it for no reason. And how long did you end up doing? Almost six years. So you've still done a six? I had to. I had so much shit going on. Did you have to go to court? Yeah, I had to get sentenced at the end. Yeah, you still... You don't even know what you're going to get. You just cop out the guidelines. It's up to a federal judge. You don't get a deal like, oh, you get five years. You go in front of a judge with a 5K letter and then it's up to the judge. What happens if you got a 20 rate? Because that's not possible. He'll give you anything he wants. Give you 20 years if he wants. Even if you cooperate? Yes, it's up to... There's no agreement. There's nothing saying, this is what you'll get, this is your cap. It's I copped out to 15-to-life guidelines and with a 5K he can go anywhere from one day to 100 years. That's a risk as well. Is anybody like, what more than 10? Yeah. For cooperating? Absolutely. I know guys that got 25 years after cooperation. Better than life. You guys got six, seven murders. Seven murders, eight murders. You know what I'm saying? That's, you know... New York just gives the best deals. You go to other circuits, it's horrible. Guys cooperate at Indiana, Illinois, these states, they're still getting smoked with bodies and crimes. And New York's the only one that gives you those crazy deals. I don't understand that because I had Lara Maso and they've done like 10, 15, 20 murders. Yeah, murders. They can do... The serial killers, they're... I like them, but I love the interaction. I'll tell you why. Because organized crime was so powerful that they had to work with the worst guys to get what they want. Think about that. Sammy Gavano killed 19 people. He got five years. 19 people was killed by this man. Five years because why? They wanted John Gotti senior, right? They had to break down to the judges. You have to give these guys a fair sentence. They're giving us what we need and want. These are huge cases. This is the biggest cases in the five boroughs. So New York is known for the best deals with organized crime. I have friends of mine that killed six, seven, eight people time-served when they go in front of them. Because they give them mob bosses, these big cases, the union rackets, all the stuff. So they have to take care of you to make it like, oh, why am I going to cooperate? These guys are getting fucking ton of time. They make it look juicy, look good. You know what I mean? So when you cooperate, what prison do you go to then? Do you have to go on protection? No. Yeah, I went under a fake name in New Jersey. I went to Somerset County for a year and then they put me into Farrington. Fake name, but that's not really... Yeah, well, no. Just for a year. Yeah, I was out in the middle of nowhere in Jersey. What was that like? Oh, man, a lot of mess. I made a mess in there. I made a mess. Knocked the guy's teeth out. I got into altercation with somebody. He dropped dead of a heart attack. It was bad. What happened with the guy who took a heart attack? Yeah, so we had an altercation in his cell. He was on Suboxone. He dropped dead of a heart attack in the hospital. He ended up dying in the hospital. I tried to save him. I threw water on him, CPR. Threw water on him. I tried not to do. I didn't fucking save him. I didn't know what to do. I'm just saying. I did the right thing. I called the cop. You know, I told him what happened. You know, he died of heart attack. Could you have... Did they investigate that? Yeah, it was proven that they came back. He died of Suboxone. He had Suboxone in his system. What's Suboxone? A caravan. Yeah. What's that like? Your life seemed to be full of chaos. It was chaos. I knocked the guy. So I'm in there, right? And they will flip out on me. And this one too. I punched the guy's teeth in and I beat him with a chair and they were trying to re-arrest me. I'm not who I am. I'm under a fake name. They can't fingerprint me. So they had to work it out where the warden said he was defending himself, you know? And they didn't charge me. I caught staff infection in my hand because his tooth was in my hand. Who's the new sort of prisons? Oh, it's still gang... It's still people just from their area, you know? Is it people who switched? No, no, it's not. It's a regular county jail. I'm just under a different name. They think I'm in there for like burglary or something. Are you worried that anybody found out who you are? I was just coming out of Ryker's Island. I was really wild, man. You know what I mean? I was on jail time, you know what I mean? I didn't give a shit. So what happens when you get moved there after a year? They put me in Farrington. That's what all high-profile cooperators. Then I'm with all like super high-profile people. Who's cooperated? Yeah, huge. El Chapo's cooperators, guys headed cases, arms dealers, you know, biggest gun top terrorists. You know, all kinds of shit. How the fuck do you trust anybody in that prison? You can't. Everybody's told it all. You might be one, two good people. That's it. And then that, rest of them are just, you know, weird. What are the people saying there? Are they honest with cooperating? Because everybody knows who's who? Well, not always, but you know, most of them are. You know, I had some good friends in there, you know? I was with Anthony Arilato in there for Mass. You might have interviewed him. He was a mob guy out of Massachusetts. They, his co-defendants killed Whitey Bolger. You might have, yeah. I was with him. I got close with him in there. I was with Teddy Di Batorro. Who's he? He was a Philadelphia hit man. He blew up Philly Testa with a nail bomb. A nail bomb? Yeah, it's him. He planted under the stoop and detonated it. I was with him. He got life. He got screwed after the cooperation. So there are a bunch of guys. The Flourish twins, Felchapo, Margarito Flores. I was with him. I was with the head of the Tijuana Cartel, Frankie. His brother, him and his brother were like most violent. I think they killed a priest down in Mexico. It was crazy, yeah. With a lot of high profile guys. You've cooperated. You know the old life is done. You can never go back to it. Is that a relief as well? Yeah, it's both. I knew I was going to have a good life. My plan was once I knew I was doing this, I knew what I had. I knew I had gold. You know, all the crew I was with and the money and everything. I knew I was going to write a book. And I had that kind of plan. I didn't know I was going to get into the podcast well until Johnny reached out to me. And we had this idea, but we started the Mafia podcast. We had no idea that it was going to blow up like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. And then they're blowing up. Yeah. I like John Mann. So I do, I like him. You can just tell by his presence that he was not a man to be fucked with. I know there's a lot of shit online and everybody going back and forth. It all seems schoolboy stuff to me. Especially when people were about that life back then. Obviously people can fabricate things and whatever. Everybody tells a story. Yeah, his arrow was nuts though. Yeah, but that's the proper era I know of the Mafia. Yeah. His arrow was really wild. Johnny did a lot of work. So Johnny did a lot of shit in his life. So did you have plans? Because you know now everybody talks. Everybody writes books. Everybody cooperates. It's not like a big thing in the 80s when people were cooperating. The Saturday bill cooperated in the early 90s. It was a massive shock. Yeah, it was. Yeah. It's not a shock, me? No, it's not a shock no more. And you've got to understand, you've got to see the gang members because they don't glorify them. See, we're putting newspapers. We got them on a website, Gangland. They don't have that. So when these gangs, 70 of them get locked up, 50 of them are cooperating. You just don't know who they are because they don't talk about them. When asked when we do it, we're on front page of the paper. You know what I mean? So do you think yours were the last of the sort of mafia back then? Yeah, our crew was definitely the last real crew for organized crime. Right now it's all washed up. We was not, you don't even hear about nothing no more. We were the last, like last hurrah, as we call it. Do you think it's totally closed down then? It's dead. Yeah, it's pretty much dead. So see when you're coming out of prison, do you have to plan? Was that any hits? I was nervous about what I was going to do, but I knew I had the book plans. People told me books don't sell no more. I remember hearing that. And then I sold thousands of books. But the Johnny and Jean show, like I said, that was during COVID. I just came out. December 2019, COVID hit three months later. But Johnny put me on VALAD TV as soon as I walked out the door. So I'm on VALAD and everyone wants to know all about me because I'm modern day. There's no modern day guys out there running around like I was. Maybe do a little loans in sports, not running around like a fucking cowboy. So I had all of that. And then we said, let's do a podcast. And it blew up. How would a newspaper every week? We were putting all the cooperatives on. The government was going crazy. They put me back in jail over it. You know, it was going crazy. Yeah, because you ended up back in prison. You just got out last year. So what happened? You're thinking about screwing the head and going okay. No, because I didn't like that they were like picking and choosing. So they were like, I wasn't even doing anything wrong. I said they didn't want me talking about the stuff. They didn't want me doing this stuff. They didn't want me becoming famous of the podcast. They didn't like the attention that we were getting. And I was still on probation. So they own you. But I was like this. I'm not listening to you. And that's what the problem was. So what did you get charged with? Oh, I mean, I did threaten someone that was also part of the violation. I threatened to kill someone. Yeah, so that was bad. Then I ended up going in four months, jail, six months house arrest. They restarted my probation. I came out three weeks later. They violated me again. And then again, I wouldn't listen, but I had a good judge. Do you never worry that it could have just fucked you off for life because you kept fucking up? I felt like I wasn't really doing bad though. It was like, I wasn't committing crimes. The one mess up I did was to threaten the person, but other than that, I wasn't doing anything wrong. I was just going on podcasts. They didn't like it. How long could that have got you in prison with? Five years, because I was a Category 6. I'm at my points of 48 life sentence points. I'm supposed to be, I'm a lifer. You know what I'm saying? That's what they keep telling me. Like you were fucking not alive for 40 years. You're a guy that's supposed to be gone forever. You know what I mean? So they get mad about that. So what's it like going back to prison? Do you need to change your name or that again? No, I went to the union. I was in the box a lot. I was in the hole a lot. So when I went back the last time, I did most of it in the hole. And then when I went back again, I did a lot of it in the hole. Then I went back again, I did a lot of it in the hole. So I ended up doing like 20 something months in violations. Did you ever get therapy? They always made me go to anger management. Every time I came in prison my whole life. I've been the first thing I'd wanted. Did you ever get him a fucking therapist? You know my therapist got me violated one time. I was on phone monetization. I was supposed to have two phones. I had two phones secretly. So I had one that they were looking at. Anything I text goes to that probation because I threatened somebody. So they couldn't do it to iPhones. You can't go into an iPhone. You have to have a warrant to go into an iPhone. So they didn't have the software program to go into an iPhone. They don't have it. But Android, they go right in. So like you have to have an Android. I said get rid of your iPhone. I said okay, I didn't get rid of it. I had it secretly. And I had the Android. And my therapist seen me with two phones. And she told my probation. She's obligated to it. She's still a law officer, you know what I mean? So that raised flags that they said he has a burner phone. So when they violated the article, it's funny. Burner phones and steroids. That's what they titled it. Because I was taking steroids. And they seized a phone. They thought I was committing crimes in Florida again. I wasn't. But I was doing steroids at the time. And it was on the text messages that I was purchasing steroids. So they made a big thing about it. They said I left the state. They had a rain of charges. My ex-girlfriend was getting me all kind of trouble. Said I left the state without permission. She was getting me in shit. So I went in front of the judge with like a 17 count. 17 counts. They were asking for years. He gave me six months and terminated me. And I ended up going. And then he had another violation. He gave me like an additional 40 days which they were furious about. I actually had a prosecutor James. Listen to this. He hated me so much. He's assigned to Donald Trump right now. That's how big he is. He's a real fuck. And that's the only one I didn't get along with. I got along with Nancy. I mean Nancy, my lawyer who was like family. And that's Lindsay Gertis who was a huge prosecutor. And Nicole Jattery who was like, I think he turned in general right now. She's huge. I got along with him well. This Keith Edelman guy, he just, I don't know what his problem was. But he kept coming at me. He hated me so much on my last violation. I'm going to get sentenced by Judge Block. We already had something worked out with them that's saying, listen, we're going to give him whatever he gives. We're going to say concurrent. Whatever the Judge Block, we're going to say recommend concurrent. So in other words, it gives me a year and a day. It's concurrent with my six months I just got because they could have screwed me and went consecutive and I have to do a lot more time. He flew down from DC. He flew down to DC. He's a DC prosecutor who works in DC. He flew down to my sentencing. And my lawyer goes, Keith Edelman is in the courtroom right now. I was just, the fuck he's doing here. She goes, he's coming. He's trying to screw you right now. So he made it like he randomly was in the courtroom on my sentencing day. He just so happened to be in the Eastern District. And he came there purposely to try to fuck me and Judge Block wouldn't listen to him. And Judge Block still went against him and gave me nothing. 40-something days, they said that I ran from the police. I had to admit to it. Cops wanted to pull me over on the floor and I took off on them. I said I didn't know they were pulling me over. And that was part of my, I don't want to admit to that. What was Florida like? I was doing fine. I was just getting caught up with my ex-girlfriend. You know, a lot of bullshit with that. It was like bullshit. They lied. Said I pulled a gun on somebody in a ball, which was a total lie. The FBI was like lying on me a little bit. Like I was really in shock with that. This agent, Christine Myers, she had like a real hard on for me. Like she was like going to Florida, lying on me. I told the judge I went into that ball. I got into an argument with somebody. If I pulled out a gun, that would be all of a camera and on the news, they'd have the video. There was no gun. They were trying to make it sound worse for me. Like they needed me to be silent against her again. So this judge would give me five years or four years because I'm eligible for five, 60 months. I'm a high category. And he just wouldn't go for it. He goes, I don't know. He goes, I'm going to give him 40-something days concurrent. They were furious and terminated me. What happened with the old crew? My old crew? They're all out again, except for Ronnie. Do you ever speak to them? No. No. Is that done? Most of them are punks. And I'm not trying to talk bad about them. There was like two. Mike Patavono was a tough guy. Ronnie G is a legit tough guy. Vinnie's dead. Sarah died. Jerry can't mess around them all. He's got like three week old case convictions already. Jackie's out of the game. He was, he's done. They actually need to be the consigliate. I told him he didn't want to do it. You know, these guys are all just like, it's all washed up. You know, Mike Palmatio was a good guy. I got along with him good, but he wasn't a gangster. You know, he was supposed to die multiple times. He got shelf like four times. So it's like real dismantled right now. You know, everybody's just doing their own thing. What do you think of that life now? Right now the life is a joke. Because obviously you wanted to bend that life, but it causes a lot of pain. Obviously you've got victims. Obviously your own life is hanging out a prison. You wanted that life. But what do you think of that sort of life? Right now I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. I mean, because it's really nothing to recommend now, but I would tell them if they would come up in my era when it was still crazy at the end. I was promoting it. You know what I'm saying? I was always taught to recruit kids. You know, now, I mean, you just don't need to put them in. You know, they'll organise crime really. It's like a fraternity. It's nothing. There's no more violence. No one's getting killed no more. No one's, you know, there's nothing. If you get an indictment now, you just get sports betting and loan sharking. You know, one's going to jail for a long time no more. You know, so you'll never know where someone stands at. You know what I mean? Because they're not doing big boy crimes. They're doing petty shit. Gene Borello never sits here with you today if I'm facing 15, 20 years. Do you understand that? And I'll be honest with you. You'll never meet me. No one know me. I'd be sitting in prison. You know what I mean? Guys now are never facing that kind of time. You'll never know what their hearts really at. Who's cooperating over five years? Nobody that I know. Six years, seven years. Guys that, the time, the crimes we were doing were facing 100 years, decades. You don't know what someone's going to do. So you'll never know where someone, to recruit someone now, you don't even know what they're really about because they're not going to prove themselves to you. Oh, why would you borrow and lend money out? We had to prove ourselves. I'm running around with guns, shooting people, going, doing crazy shit, tying people up. Kidnapping people, digging holes, we tried to kill a witness, put a guy in a hole. We were doing fucked up and crazy shit, so nowadays you can never know where someone's really about because they're never going to be put to that test. Four organized crime. My biggest regret, I should have listened to Chris Cagnata. He told me, come with me. Fuck these guys. We'll take over. To what he told me. He goes date and that's what he told me. I'll never forget it. It's not a damn date. He goes fuck these guys, Gene. He goes meeting you. Come on, we'll fucking sell drugs. We'll fucking do our thing. We'll never have these worries because if I was with him, I wouldn't have had a bullseye on my back. When you go with these mafia guys, you'll get a big bullseye on your back. I'm walking with Vinnie Sarra every day. This guy committed the Latons of Heist. He's one of the most wanted men. I'm walking next to this guy. What did they put on you? A big bullseye. That's it. How much did they get for the Latons of Heist? Seven million dollars is the biggest airport heist in American history. In the history of America. It's nice, that's nice, but I've read that. He blew it. He got 800,000 out of it. He blew it in a couple of months in the racetrack. He's the generic gambler. He told me. Yeah. Yeah. But you're gambling on anything? Yeah, of course. We all did. I wasn't as bad as he was, but we all bad gamblers. Everyone did the gambling, you know? How hard does it keep a relationship and not leave steel? Oh, when... Yeah, it's not hard, I mean, but you have to have a girl that's willing to be okay with all this shit, you know what I mean? Most of the women I was with were okay with it. Yeah, their heads must be fucked as well though. Yeah, oh yeah. One was in the house with me when they tried to kill me, so the bulls almost hit her too. Yeah. Did she stay with you after that? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. It was just part of that regular crazy life. Most women like that shit, you know? A lot of women like it. Yeah, why does that leave... Why do you think... Obviously for the younger audience, why do you think that's so appealing for people that the gangster lives down? I don't know. I don't have no idea. I can't explain it. I don't know. If anybody gravitates towards it even on Netflix, all the best, all the biggest haters are true crime. Yeah. There's a John Gotti document, you get Gotti number one. Yeah, my cousin did that one. Anthony? Yeah. Ali Canfini? I think he's cool. Yeah, he's a good guy, Mark. So you're related to all these mob guys as well? Yeah. Yeah. How was it when Anthony cooperated? What age were you? I was fucking in my high day. I was in the middle of me, it hurt me in a way. Did everybody knew that I was my cousin? You know what I mean? But you know, it is what it is. Do you get teased for that? No, hell no. No, they just knew that I was my cousin, you know? Did you ever get nightmares? No. When I was in that life? No. No? No. How was it writing your book? It was good. Yeah. How long did it take you? Oh, it took me a while. You know, it was a lot more in it, but like I said, the editor kind of mangled it. But you know, they still like it. But it was good. We did good. Working people get your book. Oh, all over Amazon. You could DM me for personal autograph copies. It's on every book website. It's a fucking crazy life, you know what I'm saying? Crazy. It was an adventure. My life is a movie. And that's just the gods on show. It didn't even break. And it's, this is not a normal life, obviously that I lived. You know, walking out with guns, doing all this crazy shit. You know, it's like, it's not normal. You know what I mean? But that's how I lived, you know? And I can't change that. How did you dress? Obviously back in the day it was all suits. Different. Different. You could have a little bit of torn heart. Sean John. Sean John John John. I'm a lot of truth you're on. Yeah. This is, this is a modern day guy. That's what, that's why a lot of people love that I'm on the air because people that are from my era can relate to me. You know, we weren't wearing three piece suits, running around with suspenders and tap shoes. You know what I'm saying? Heck yeah. That just wasn't our era. I was on the Cymru Gavano show and I said, what was it like chasing somebody in tap shoes? I said, how'd you even chase them? How do you run? You know what I mean? So, whole different era. We wore sweatsuits, you know, Nietzsche, Sean John in my era. Jordan's, you know, all high in fashion. You know, that was just our thing. What did the old school say about that? Oh, they hated the Yankee hats. Cock to the side. They hated that when you put the hat. And they said, oh, they fucking hate that shit. Yeah. They did not like it. Were you a rapper? Yeah. But that is crazy to see because everybody knows that gangsta, especially in New York, has suited and bootied. Not no more now. Yeah, it's changed. That's how it was different from. My era at least, I mean. Your era is different. You still have guys that dress like that the old time is, but we only dress like that when we absolutely had to. Other than that, it's not going on me. What's the best thing about being involved in the mafia? You know, all the money, power, respect. Is that it? Yeah, but it's short-lived. It's short-lived, you know? Think about it. It's short-lived, bro. I'm supposed to be serving the rest of my life in prison. See if you could do it again without getting caught with you. No, I mean, I don't know. I taught the answer. You're fucking with, man. Yeah, it's hard to answer. I'm not going to lie. I don't know. That's all. Like I said, your life seemed full of fucking chaos, man. It was your chaos. You seem to enjoy it, though. I like drama. I like beef, too, so I used to fight with everybody. That was my thing. I beefed with everybody. If you were the toughest guy, I want the beef for you. You know what I mean? What is that, then? I don't know. I just liked... I didn't like bullies, either. Like if I thought you were bullying people, I would make my way to you. Was there many bullies in that life? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, guys that use their name take advantage of people. You know, do things. Who did you feel the most? Who I feared? Growing up. Ronnie Wanham was a really dangerous guy. Everybody was scared of him. Charles Caniglia, Vinnie O'Sarral was really feared. Who are these guys? Who's the first two? Gambino guys. Was the Gambino the strongest family, do you think? Yeah, for a little while. But there were particularly guys that were scary looking, should I say. They were just scary looking dudes. When we were kids, Ronnie Wanham was a really scary looking guy. Very intimidating, you know? How's it got in him now? He's a double lifer. Ronnie Wanham? Yeah. He's gone for life, yeah. Most of them are dead. Most of everyone that I came up with are like, they're all dead, jail, you know, co-op. That's that's our outcome for the guys that were really, that's what I'm trying to explain to you. The guys that were really doing shit, that's the outcome. Nowadays, they're not going to have that outcome. No one's co-operating over five years. No one. You know, this does not happen. Our era was still crazy. So we're facing a shitload of time. All those guys that were where we're from is dead, ratted, life in prison. That's it. What do you do with your life, dude? I do a lot. I do a lot going on. I'm constantly in the mix. I'm really trying to... My book is about to be coming to a TV show. I'm going to a film pony. It's a real Hollywood film. I got all kinds of shit going on, man. Honestly, I took off. Once I got off probation, I took off like a rocket ship, man. How was it to try and change it and try and steal another 8 path and do the 8 thing in life? Was it difficult for you? Yeah. So I don't commit crimes no more. I get to add in my life. But the only problem I have is I don't take shit from anybody. That's not a crime. But it could be if you punch them in the face. You know what I'm saying? But that's the only thing you might get out of me is that I don't know how to walk away from situations, but I'll never go out and commit a armed robbery. I'll never do something like that again. But I'll punch you in your face. You know, don't think you're going to come up to me and say what you want and do what you want. It's not going to happen. That's never going to change. That's just the truth. I don't look for trouble but I don't run from it. Do you think you'll ever be banned in prison? No, not no more. No, the only way I can end up back in prison is if I fuck up and hit someone or something like that. Other than that, I'll never purposely go out and commit a crime. You know what I mean? How is it walking about New York and stuff now? Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Does people know you? Of course. I mean, I'm sure. You know, everyone knows me over here. How did you and John come about, John Elite? How was that? Well, he's a family friend. Yeah, he's been, he grew up in my aunt Connie. He was best friends with my cousin Albert. My whole family know him, you know what I mean? So he had reached out before I got home in 2019 to tell your nephew to call me when he gets out. And that's how. What do you think? All this kind of cannabis? Well, his sons, I know from the neighborhood. His sons used to be on my football team, you know? How do you think now, of the already so-called gangsters and mafia boys' proper hit men, I'm coming young school on cameras and talking, it's fucking, it's weird, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Listen, it's where the money's at. It pays my bills. Yeah, this is where the- I'm not complaining about it, it's weird. You have guys on YouTube making 20,000 a month, 30,000 a month. It's more. You know what I mean? So you guys will say, oh, you're on YouTube. You got guys making a fortune on here. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, you know, we have the Johnny Jean show are rebooted and that's doing great right now. You know? Have you had any backlash? No. No backlash. No, none at all. I'm not on probation. Nobody can say nothing to me. Nobody owns me no more. I can do whatever I want. You seem to own your story. That's what I love about you. Ever. You seem to fuck me. Yeah. You seem to embrace it. You don't really give a fuck what you've done, what you've says. I don't. Because I know, like I can sit here and give more details, but I know what I was doing. I know what I was about and everyone knows what I was doing in prison. Of course people are going to talk shit, but I know who I really was and what I was doing. I know the kind of guy I was. So it is what it is. I cooperate. I did what I did. But let me explain to you, 90% of the people in my generation, if they were in my shoes, they would have done the same thing. About 100%. And if I'm going to be on a shoe and I'm not making an excuse, if my little brother wasn't on that gun charge, I probably wouldn't have cooperated. I couldn't let him get seven years. It was hard for me. Because I sent them. He didn't want nothing to do with it. I made him go. He got caught with a gun. He was fucked. And they were basically using him against me. You know what I'm saying? Like your brother's going to get seven years. You know what I'm saying? So I couldn't deal with that, you know? They were messing with my ex-girlfriend too, you know? She was caught up a little bit. I was in a bad spot. So, but like I said, I was legit, bro. I was a bad guy before I had the mafia. You know, I didn't need them to be a bad guy or a tough guy. You know what I'm saying? I didn't need them to do that. I just got caught up with that life and it let me act out my fantasies, should I say? I mean, because I was always going to do violence and bad things with them, you know? That's what it seems like. It seems like a movie. It was. That people in that lifestyle would feel as if it's a game like a fucking movie. But when does it come? When does reality hit home? I was looking to kill someone every day. I'm going to be honest with you. When does reality hit home? That it's not a game. That it's not a movie. When you're getting 40, 50 years drummed up your ass. Yeah, that's hard. You know, it's more hard when you have people that care, that you love, that are on the outside and you're on the inside. And that you took care of people, you did this, you did that. You know, that's what kills you too. See, when you're in prison, how many friends have you actually got outside that come and visit, send money in? No, I had a lot of people. Had you? I did. I had support always. That I did. I did a lot of... See, all the bad I did, but I did a lot of... I had a good heart. I fought a lot of people's beefs. I took a lot of people's backs. I always held people. That was my thing. I was like... It was so weird. Like you... I had like this great heart and then the next moment I would like, you know, do something heinous. Right, Paula? Yeah, I guess so you could say that. I was like so weird the way I was. How was it... How was things once you had died? How was the relationship? Well, yeah, it's sad, you know, but we were cool. But, you know, Diabetes got him. Do you have any regrets with that relationship? No. No, no, no. He was hysterical. My father should have been still a comedian. He was just nuts, you know what I'm saying? But he was funny as hell. But did he have a dirt podcast? No, he was... If he would have, he'd be a character. He was so funny, my father. He was hysterical, man. Yeah. How's love life and stuff now? Do you have any children with him? No, I don't. No, I'm single right now. Yeah. You know, I get a lot of attention, but I'm very picky. I was like, well, how old are you? I'm 39. So, stout when are you 40? By June. I'll be 14 June. So, June 40 in February, bro. Yeah. It's fucking horrible. I know, man. It's fucking horrible. I take care of myself. I work out, you know, I'm very big into the gym, you know, that stuff. So, I just... I just take care of myself, you know? Yeah, because even though the old gangsters back in the day were all fucking fat and unhealthy, like, how could they have ever changed this? Well, a lot of these kids look horrible. You've got kids 25 years old, like they're 60s. Kids are all fucking out of shape this era, too. They don't do shit. A lot of these kids just play video games. Sit around and eat. Anybody ever try to get your back into that later? No. No, that's not even allowed, you know what I mean? So, what do you do then for the future? What's the big plans? The big plans, my book become a TV show, and I'm going to retire off that. I mean, you know, it's going to be a big TV show. So, they're trying to make it. Where would you like to be? In the world? Oh, God. Where I'd like to be in the world? I mean, I'd like to be sitting in a nice big house. Yeah. You know? On a water. Hanging out. That's it. Do you think you would have ever been sitting in front of a camera king? No. I tell on somebody the other day, I never thought I'd be doing this. Never. Mr Jean, the bad guy? Never. How is that possible though? Even when you get samed at Bill and that doing podcast, that is fucking strange to see. It's the world we're living, but this guy was, he was proper old school man. He fucking loved it. He's for me. If you're going to do a true crime, he is the number one out there. Two get, there's no day. He killed podcast later. At that place, he changed my history. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, it's crazy. But that's why I, and I was saying this the other day, we get more attention than real celebrities. You know what I mean? Because we're so out there. Think about it. Think about the views that we get. We could see more than actors and shit like that. They were just saying on the YouTube that YouTube people are more known than actual celebrities. This whole change this. It's crazy. On my DMs, I get thousands of DMs. Thousands. People all over the world. You know? I hope these people react to your stories. They like me. I get along with everybody. I answer everybody. I'm not a dick. You know what I'm saying? I talked to everyone. That's crazy. Like you're still on my ass. Very crazy. It's very toxic madness. Everybody's full of rage and hate. Yeah. But you seem quite, you seem in a good place now. Yeah, I am. Has that took a long time to get there? Well, the probation was messing me up. I'm off. I travel a lot now. I go all over the country. You know what I'm saying? Sorry, another country. Yeah, the States. I can't leave. I haven't left the country yet, but I will be. And I'm all over the place now. You know, California, Arizona. I'm going all over Vegas. Could the stove be watching? Nah. I don't do that at all. Yeah. You know? Watch me again. Have fun watching me. Just going to see me hang out and partying and stuff like that. You're going to see nothing. You want to see me stove partying? Yeah, I go out and hang out. Yeah. Yeah, it's a fucking crazy life. Stay with me. Can people watch all your stuff? Johnny and Gene Shire who knows that YouTube channel. It's back up and running. What about your social medias? Gene Barrello, it's my name. Instagram. So you only get out of prison a few months ago? Yeah, on that violation. I did it eight months. It came out September. Yeah. You're a fucking liability if I'm honest with you. Yeah, MDC Brooklyn. Hopefully you do fucking stay out, though. Yeah. And they turn it into a movie like I say. It's the kind of younger school of the way it used to be. Of life things changed, the dress sense, everything changed. People's get their track shoots and they're big gold chains. And what was the best thing about being involved in the life of crime? I mean, there was somebody... The adrenaline, too. I was adrenaline junkie. I remember I had beef with somebody and I was carrying guns. I was on probation. I just came home parole. I was walking to probation with a gun on me. Not knowing I'm going to probation. I fucking thank God I just realized right before I went in and went right back out. I was like... I was playing Russian roulette every day. You know, getting pulled over with guns in the car, still on parole. You know, it was... The adrenaline, I guess. The excitement, you know. What do you think? Looking back in your life so far. Looking back? Yeah. No, I mean, I did a lot of fucked up shit. You know, so... People glorify it, but, you know... That's a true story. Yeah, it's a true story. We did a lot of shit, you know. I was part of a lot of things and people glorify it, but I heard a lot of people, too. You know? I have a lot of bad things I did to people, so, you know. I feel bad. I do feel bad. You know, I have a little bit of a... I have a heart. You're fucking lying. I feel bad a little bit. I mean, I was robbing drug deals. I went on a show and the guy goes, oh, he's wearing my watch. It was a lie. They tried to get me violated. He's a criminal's calling up on me. You know? So it's like it's a dolly-dog world, you know? For anybody watching, though, it's maybe wanting to get involved in a life of crime because it is sexy. There's something that may engraver take towards that. It's short-lived. What advice would you say for them? It's short-lived. Listen, you understand. You'll be the guy for a little while. You have the money to cause the women a jewellery and then they'll take it all from you. That's it. You're going to lose it. You know? There's never going to be a time... If you're doing big boy crimes, you're out there. The FBI, the cops, you're going to go to jail. They have to. That's what they get paid for. You know what I mean? You're going to go. You're going to lose everything. You go to prison. You lose your girl. You lose this. You lose your house. Everything you got, your jewellery, your cars. It's all gone. Start over again when you get out if you want to. If you could change anything, what would you change? If I could change anything? Uh-huh. Maybe you would have went to school and got an education. You know what I mean? Maybe. You know? See, a lot of the guys you were involved with, what was they that bringing sort of the same? Worse. Yeah. They were old. Everyone I worked for was older than me, mostly. So they ever was even wilder. Born in like 65, 70. Remember, in the mob you always work for older people. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? So you're never going to, you know, I guys my peers, but for the most guys I answer to were older. So they grew up the same way. No school education, but made a lot of money. Think about it. My boss had a seven grade education, but he's making 300,000 a month in cash. Did he use a fuck about school? I mean, you know what I mean? Do you care about school? He's making a fucking dream salary in one month. You know? Yeah. So it's the money that could also attract you to a lot, you know? That's the main attraction I think. Mine was. It was money, yeah. Then you get the power of the respect and you know. Were you money driven? Yeah, very money driven. Yeah. Can that be a bad thing as well though? Yeah, of course. Fest money, fest time. Because it's not as if people think you're in the mafia, these sort of things. Well, not always you make money. Yeah, you're not getting paid to do jobs. No, you don't. You're just getting paid to do a job. I explain that because the movies might show you go, oh yeah, go do this, you get paid. You don't get paid, you just work your way in, you know? And that's how you get noticed and work in and then you make money with them. That's it. Do you ever feel used? No, I didn't. No. Never? Nope. Do you think you're the only person to ever say that? I didn't feel used. No, I liked what I did. Because you wanted to get to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked what I did. I liked hunting people. I liked going after people. I didn't mind it. You know what I mean? This is something we like to do. Were you getting a throw from it? No, it's just like, you know, I like to get the job done, you know, I like to be, I wanted to prove to them that I was the best, you know? Get things done in 24 hours. Faster sometimes. I sit on you in my car, I'll sleep in the car, I'll get you. Are you going to write another book? Nah. Done with the box. I'm just going to get into the Hollywood scene now, that's what I'm trying to do. You go do acting? Yeah, I'm trying. All the plans for the future then, you're going to do movies. Trying? You're going to do the podcast. Yeah, podcast is where to stay with. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We do go with the podcast. People love us together. Watch our biggest life lesson that you've learned so far. Biggest life lesson. Never underestimate anybody. That was my biggest life lesson because, and stop trusting everybody because that was my downfall. I trusted people so easily. Why though? I don't know. I just didn't believe that people would, you know, do the things they did. So I trust very easy. You know what I mean? What was the biggest thing that you thought you was unexpected in that lifestyle? Yeah, like guys wearing wires on me. You know, I was very in shock that guys, you know, running and facing a lot of time putting wires on. You know what I mean? Because you're like, I figured like, why would you cooperate with five years, 10 years? Like that's not time to wear a wire. It's not like you got caught for what a body in your trunk and you're trying to get out of a murder. You're trying to get out of 10 years. Eight years? What the fuck? I could throw it in my head in the closet. What are you worried about that for? 50 years? 40 years? I understand. You don't know where someone's at. You have a little petty bullshit time. Five of you kid do five years? What are you thinking about in all your life? What do I think now? Yeah. Yeah, I did a lot of stupid shit. I did a lot of, I made a lot of dumb mistakes. If I were to, and I don't want to promote this, but I could have now known a knowledge that I know now, I would be the perfect gangster. But I don't want to be like that no more. But I'm saying like, what I know now, forget it. And if I was still out there today, oh my God. Did you ever struggle with mental health? Yeah. ADD, ADHD. No, not really. I have a lot of disorders, you know what I mean? Like what? ADD, ADHD. No, that's shit, you know? I can't sit still. Very hyper. I'm not supposed to have caffeine in my body, but that's all I drink. So, you know, I played a big part, you know? For anybody that are watching this, maybe on a lethal struggle right now, what these would you have for them? My thing was this, I have no thought. I just do it. You know what I mean? That's really was my downfall as well. Like I would just do it. I wouldn't even think of the consequence. I do it and then realize afterwards I fucked up. You know? I react off impulse. So, that was very dangerous. You know, that could really ruin someone's life. So, if anyone that really knows the situation, you know, you really got to think about what you're doing before you do it. Jane, lesson mate. For giving me the time and coming on to the following joys that you had a mad bass that I can see. You've got labels everywhere, whatever you AD, ADHD, bike, pole, that fucking. But again, lesson, it takes a lot of balls to come on and be honest with your story and own it. Yes. No bullshit. And that's the main thing. Keep it out of it. Tell it is, yeah. Would you like to finish up on anything else? No, that's it, man. I really enjoyed coming on with you. Yeah, that's fine. Thanks again. I wish you nothing but the best for the future, bro. Yes. Stay blessed. All right. Thank you.