 Good evening Alderman. Welcome to tonight's Common Council meeting. Before we start the meeting, we always ask our city clerk to read the quote for the week. Thank you. Have the courage to say no. Have the courage to face the truth. Do the right thing because it is right. These are the magic keys to living your life with integrity. Thank you very much. Call the 21st Regular Meeting of the Common Council to order. Please call the roll. Boren. Here. Bauch. Here. Gisha. Here. Hanna. Here. Heidemann. Here. Kittleson. Here. Clayunas. Here. Manny. Here. Meyer. Here. Montemayor. Here. Rindflash. Here. Ryan. Here. Smith. Excuse. Vanderweel. Here. Verhasselt. Here. The United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Before we move on to approval of the minutes, I'd just like to ask everyone, please vote tomorrow, Super Tuesday. It's going to be a good election, so hope you can make it. The weather is not too good, but hopefully everybody will get out to vote. Approval of the minutes, President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would move for the approval of the minutes. Second. Motion in second for approved minutes. Under discussion. Alderman Clayunas. Sorry. I'm out of order, I think, but we don't have election tomorrow. We vote for two weeks. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Please don't vote tomorrow. No. Rewind. I live in Chicago too much, okay? Yeah. Super duper. Yeah. We're going hell on nine. Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. All right. We do have a motion in a second to approve of the minutes. Any more discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Next item on the agenda, the person is not here, so we're going to skip that. Public forum. Madam City Clerk. None. Hearings. First hearing, we have two hearings tonight for the benefit of the public and the council to listen to input of the public so wishes to provide some. Number one, to amend the text of the zoning ordinance so as to create a section relating to delay and demolition of significant buildings in the city to allow for a determination as to whether the building should be preserved and to seek solutions for preservations. Second hearing to amend the text of the zoning ordinance so as to permit commercial animal boarding as a conditional use within the suburban industrial district and the urban industrial district and the conditional use regulation. Is there anyone that would like to address the council with respect to any of these two hearings? Is there anyone? Mr. Carpalos, please step forward. Mike is on. Good evening. Mr. Palos, which one are you speaking on? I'm speaking on the first hearing, the text changing the zoning ordinance concerning the preservation. Preservation. Changing of the preservation protection. Thank you. Go ahead. I may proceed. Thank you very much. Good evening. I wish to lend my voice in support of the RO number 466-07-08 by the city plan commission recommending a creation of the section of the zoning ordinance relating to delaying demolition of significant buildings in the city to allow for a determination to whether they should be preserved or to seek solutions for preservation. The reason for the existence of this has come about because of an unfortunate accident. That has happened in our community. And we are, we want to preserve our historical heritage. So I speak as a citizen and a highly taxed person in the city of Sheboygan, property tax wise. Also as a member of the National Trust for Historic Preservation. That it is important for the community to be able to preserve the historical heritage. Also as a member of the National Trust for Historic Preservation. That it is imperative that we save the historical heritage that has been passed on to us. And it is our responsibility to keep. And we are willing to put our money where our mouths are in the preservation of these historic buildings and have them preserved. Therefore we need your legal expertise in keeping and maintaining this protection for a vital part of our historical heritage. And I implore you to approve and move to adopt and create the ordinance that is being discussed. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you. Thank you Mrs. Council. Ms. Windsor. Can I have your name please. Good evening. Marianne Windsor. And which are you speaking on the same one? Yes I'm number one. Okay very good. Go ahead. Thank you. For over 40 years I have been involved in historic preservation in the city of Sheboygan. If you remember the Sheboygan County Landmarks Organization I was an officer in that organization. the 70s have notebooks and information that were given to people, and it sparked a lot of interest in homes, whether it was 1900, 1912, 1925, whatever. We need these buildings. We've lost a lot of buildings on 6th and 7th Street, and perhaps that was necessary for downtown, but I think it comes eroded, and we are getting erosion into our historic district in Sheboygan. Wonderful things have been done in the Ellis District, and I think as we drive through there, we see the street lights, the houses, which have been improved all to the benefit of Sheboygan. However, if we have people who are angry or emotional and can order a bulldozer on this emotion, we have a major problem with our historic buildings. We can't lose houses and buildings this way, and I think that the ordinance is an excellent one because it does give time for people to reconsider or to check into the viability of the particular structure. So I hope this ordinance will be supported by you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else who would like to address the council? Is there anyone else? Is there anyone else? President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to make a motion to close the hearings. Second. Motion to second to close hearings one and two. Any discussion? There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Consent agenda? President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Before I make a motion on the consent agenda, I'd like to pull forward R.C. 2113 and R.C. by Public Works, recommending filing document of communication with the Boys and Girls Club. My reasoning is I'd like to refer back to Public Works because the Marina Committee will be meeting this Wednesday night on the same topic, and I would like to give Public Works the benefit of the input from the Marina Committee. Excellent. Okay, 2113 will be referred back. Please proceed. Thank you. I would like to make a motion, sorry, that I move that all ROs be accepted and placed on file, and all RCs be accepted and adopted. Second. Motion and second. 21121 through 2120 under discussion. All in favor say aye. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I don't think we need necessarily a separate vote at this time, but I would like on document 218A, an explanation if I could, your honor, from Public Works regarding what decision has been made regarding the issue of a city resident who cuts lawns of his neighbors. I would like to drop them off as a professional at the city because he's a city taxpayer, and to see if what the decision was. Thank you. Okay, Alderman Mayer. Thank you, your honor. This issue was discussed. This is in place not to allow private businesses to drop off clippings and other such things at the drop off site. One reason is we cannot enforce it. If we let one person start bringing in his clippings from his business, we're gonna have to allow everybody who has any kind of a business that involves anything they can drop off at the drop site, we're gonna have to let them do it. And I believe this is in place just for that reason. It is unenforceable, and it will open up a big can of worms. I don't know if Mr. Bittner would like to elaborate on it. Thank you, Alderman Mayer. Alderman Reifleich, is that okay? Do you need more explanation? Then I would like to pull it forward for a separate vote then, and I have no problem with the discussion. What number was that again, sir? 218A. 218A? Yes. 218A. Mr. Bittner, would you please come up, sir? The ordinance has set up, and the facility has set up was to really assemble residential yard waste. In other words, bring in small amounts and trunks of cars and bags and assemble that, then us truck it to a finished disposal site. When we open that up to commercial, there's obviously some very small commercial operations in the yard waste business who bring small amounts in, but at the same time, there's very large operations in that area that would bring in huge amounts, and you're really thinking about it at some point in time, people would be trucking into our site so we can truck it somewhere else, and it becomes somewhat of an impractical operation in terms of the scale we're trying to operate at. Some of the points are somewhat obvious. I'm cutting the grass from one yard that if the person took it, they could take it there, but I, as a commercial entity, can't. That's very understandable as an argument. The problem is that where does that end? We currently work with people on whether or not they're really residents. Well, how do we even force the next step up that all this waste you're bringing into the site came from Sheboygan residents? So it's really a practical operation that how big of an operation are you going to take? How big a drop site are you going to take? Another example, a very similar thing, is we also take and allow scrap metal to be dropped off. Well, are we going to allow scrap metal dealers to drop off scrap metal? That one's a little different because there's some value there, but what we have and what was envisioned and what we have is a very simple way for residents to drop off small amounts. We assemble those into larger amounts and dispose of them in a more efficient way. And opening the door to commercial operations sort of opens up a lot of problems for that concept. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bredner. Would you like to call for a separate vote on that? If I may, Your Honor. Please. I thank you, Mr. Your Honor. I certainly, having sat on public works committee previously, when decisions were made to establish this committee, the new drop off site, as it is, I do understand the concern about having commercial entities come forward and use that land area, but however I think we're forgetting the fact that it's a city taxpayer who does have a commercial business who is cutting city taxpayers' lawns. Again, how can we verify that? We really can't. I understand that. But all for the people that he's cutting those lawns would be senior citizens who don't have access to drop their own yard clippings off. And I think we're gonna find ourselves, if we don't at least allow some kind of allowance for this aspect that we're really doing a disservice to all of our city taxpayers. So while the motion is simply to file, I will vote no against that simply as a point to, hopefully we can find a different solution than the current one. Thank you. Would you like a separate vote? Yes. Okay, then I need somebody to make a moment and hand just a motion to accept and adopt 21-8-A. So moved. Okay. Motion is second to accept and adopt 21-8-A. You want a roll call on this one? No. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. One opposition. Thank you very much. Thank you. Two. Oh, okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. One opposition. Thank you very much. Two. Two. Oh, okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any second? All in one to my vote? I'm sorry, Your Honor. I jumped the gun. I'm on the next group. Okay. Just don't say vote tomorrow. That's my problem. You're getting ahead just like I am, so. Okay, so we're back. 21-1, 21-20 with the exception of 8-A. Please call the roll. Boran. Aye. Bauch. Yesha. Aye. Hannah. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Montemay-Ore. Aye. Rin Flesch. Aye. Ryan. Aye. Vanderweal. Aye. Verhasselt. Aye. And Wangeman. Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Communications and petitions 21-21 through 21-23 to be referred. Please make a notation on 21-21. That will also go to public works. Public protection and safety and public works. Report of committees 2, 21-24 to 21-31 to be referred. My button doesn't seem to be muted. Okay, okay. I'm sorry. All on Montemay-Ore. Thank you, Your Honor. I'm back at 21-22 and 21-23. Okay. I move to file. Motion in second to file 21-22 and 21-23. Candice. 21-22 has been resolved. 21-23 is a letter with agreements. Thank you. Any discussion? There being none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. One, no. Motion carries. The report of officers 2, 21-24 and 21-31 to be referred. Resolutions. All on Montemay-Ore. Thank you, Your Honor. I'm back on 21-26. Okay. A motion to file. Second. Motion in second to file 21-26. No discussion. There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. Call the roll. Okay, hold on. Please call the roll. Bowke. No. Gisha. Aye. Hannah. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Hiddleston. Aye. Clayunas. Aye. Manny. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemay-Ore. Aye. Rinfeich. No. Ryan. No. Vanderwheel. Aye. Ann Boren. He's out voting. He's, yeah, he should be voting. 11 ayes, four noes. Motion carries. Resolution is introduced 32132 by Alderman Hannah. Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget. Establishing appropriation in an escrow account for a 50% city share of the shared services agreement with Sheboygan County. President Hannah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First, I need to move to suspend due to the fact that this document needs to be at the county by the 7th. Second. Is there a second? And please explain so in case there's any objection. Sure. This is the agreement for certain costs that will be paid out of the original purchase of the 23rd Street site. And the deadline for us to have the document to the county is the 7th. Mm-hmm. It's important that the, that the city appropriate its share so that the county can then see that the city has done its part to move forward. Just. Please continue. Thank you. Just so the people at home know, this is a six meg unit computers, joint dive team, new boat motor and related equipment and a digital analog repeater for the UHF station repeater. So it's, all of these items are going to support continued shared services with the county. Absolutely. Thank you, old man, I will put. Anything else? Is there any objection to suspension? There is none. I need a motion. Motion to put this upon his passage. Second. And the second to put 2132 upon its passage under discussion, any further discussion. There being none, please call the roll. Yuscha. Hannah. Heidemann. Kittleson. Cleunas. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Rindfleisch. Ryan. Vanderwheel. Verhasselt. Wangeman. Boren. Envoke. 15 ayes. Motion carries. 2133 through 2135. Lies over. 2136 through 2140. To be referred, please note 2140. We'll also go to finance committee. And I'd like to ask the chair of salary and grievances to place it on the agenda before it goes to finance committee so that the finance committee has an opportunity to review that with salary and grievances recommendations. Okay, very good. Report of committee six, 2141 and 2142 to be referred. Report of committee seven, 2143 by law and licensing recommending denying taxi cab drivers license number 5865 based on the applicant's repeat violations and the applicant's failure to cooperate with the committee. Vice President Boren. Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted. Motion is second. Under discussion. Under discussion, your honor, is Michael McIntyre here tonight? He's not here, your honor. Very well, please proceed. Mr. McIntyre had two opportunities to appear before the committee, the second one by certified mail and for the reasons stated, repeat violations and failure to cooperate with the committee. It was unanimous decision not to grant the taxi cab drivers license. Thank you, Vice President Boren. Any further discussion? There being none, please call the roll. Hannah. Heidemann. Kittleson. Clioness. Manny. Meyer. Montemayor. Rindflash. Ryan. Vanderweal. Verhasselt. Wongaman. Boren. Bauch. And Gisha. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Report of committee eight, 2144 by finance recommending that the Pledge of Allegiance be placed on the agendas of and conducted at the meeting of all boards, committees and commissions with agendas published and distributed by the city of Sheboygan's office of the city clerk. President Hannah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First, I'd make a motion to accept an adopt 2144 and at the same time put resolution 1970708 upon its passage. Motion and second. Under discussion. Pull them about. Thank you, Your Honor. The three veterans on the Council have put forth this resolution on behalf of ourselves and the 13 other Patriots on the Council. Want to thank Alderman Jim Boren for his mentoring of me through this resolution process. And I'd like to make a friendly amendment to this to just delay compliance until February 18th. That's two weeks from tonight. And that gives the city two weeks to get the flags and put them up in the appropriate rooms. Okay, there is a motion and a second for an amendment to delay compliance under discussion on the amendment only. Alderman Gieshner. Thank you, Your Honor. First, I want to thank not only our veteran members, but other members that were involved with this. And just a quick question. We have some meeting rooms that already do have flags. Do we know how many we need to do or if some of these meetings are off-premise and maybe rooms that aren't owned by the city? Is there like a little traveling flag or something that would be for those meetings or something like that? I think it's a great idea, but I just want to know how many we need. We can have. President Hanna. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We're trying to identify the number of rooms that will require this. It's something more than six flags and no more than 10 at this time. And Alderman Valkin and I are working on pricing and getting that all put together. And once it's determined how many flags we can have purchased and take care of and you guys take care of paperwork and we'll have it pretty quick for you in two weeks. All right, in two weeks. Anything else on the 2144? There being none, please call the roll. We need to vote on the amendment. I'm sorry. Well, please call the roll on the amendment. Or do you want to just do an all eyes on the amendment? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Take care of that one. Yep. Any motion to approve as amended? Second. Second. Call the roll. Please. Hi, DeMond. Hi. Kittleson. Hi. Clayunas. Hi. Manny. Hi. Meyer. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. Rinflaige. Hi. Ryan. Hi. Vanderweel. Hi. Verhasselt. Hi. Wongerman. Hi. 11. 2025, RO number 460-50708 by the city plan commission recommended amendment the text of the city of Sheboygan official zoning ordinance in sections 15.105.203.206 so as to permit commercial animal boarding as a conditional use within the suburban industrial district and the urban industrial district in the conditional use regulation and passing the attached ordinance. All in one to my order. Thank you, Your Honor. I move to accept and file the report of officer and the ordinance be put upon its passage. Second. Motion and second under discussion. There being none, please call the roll. Kittleson. Hi. Clayunas. Hi. Manny. Hi. Meyer. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. Rinflaige. Ryan. Hi. Vanderweel. Hi. Verhasselt. Hi. Wongerman. Hi. 176, R.O. 4600, 708 by the city plan commission recommended creating section 15.916 of the Sheboygan zoning ordinance relating to delaying demolition of significant buildings in the city to allow for a determination as to whether the building should be preserved and to seek solutions for preservation and passing the attached ordinance. All in one to my order. Thank you, Your Honor. And I would love to move and accept and file the report to officer, But I bet Alderman Ryan would like to put the ordinance upon its passage, if that's all right. That's fine with me. Alderman Ryan, would you like to do that? Mayor, I moved to put the ordinance upon its passage. Okay, this is a little tricky here because we've got two motions on the floor. We're going to take your motion for us. I should have told me about this one. And we don't have a second. And we don't have a second for Mayor Lincoln. We have a motion to second to file any discussion of filing. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries and we have a motion by Alderman Ryan. Was there a second to that? There was a second to put the resolution upon it, the ordinance upon its passage. Any discussion on that? There is none. Please call the roll. I'm sorry. Alderman. Thank you. As our so-called city historian, I think it is something that's way past due. In fact, several years ago when I was on the historic preservation committee, the city of Sheboygan was granted a $19,000 grant to survey the city for historic buildings. And this was done and they were photographed and these photographs exist. At that time, we had been working with the information services department where they could actually take these addresses, feed them into the computer, set up some kind of a system. So if anybody would come in for a building permit, reference one of these buildings, it would be flagged and it would pop up and it would be sent to the appropriate committees to determine whether this was a good idea or not. And we didn't want to be house Nazis or anything like that. What we wanted to do was sit down with these people and perhaps talk to them, counsel them, perhaps give them advice or ideas on how they could actually preserve their building because all you have to do is take a walk down 8th Street. Our street looks like an old lady with half her teeth missing. I mean, we've got openings all over the place and this was so much done years ago with little or no plan behind it and it really makes you wonder why some of these marvelous old buildings were torn down. I hate to make comparisons, but if you drive through Sheboygan Falls and Plymouth, you'll see what I'm talking about. Sheboygan Falls a while back was granted a hometown America award for a fine looking downtown in Plymouth. It's quite beautiful and it's maybe not too late to put the cork back in the bottle, but there was a system that had been set up and I know these photographs exist and I think I know where they are and all these addresses and we had been awarded that $19,000 by the State Historical Society and when they gave us the award, we said in an application and we got an answer back leg within two or three days and they said, my God, what happened to you was people, we thought you had all dropped off the map there in Sheboygan. We were one of the last cities in Wisconsin to apply for this kind of a grant. So that information is still out there somewhere and I'd be happy to share that with anybody who's interested in it. So thank you. Thank you, Alderman Longham. Alderman Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. To expound upon what Alderman Longham has said here, there was an architectural and historical intensive survey report that was conducted in the city in the years 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006 and all of the properties that have been deemed to be possibly historically significant are in this report. These are the properties that will be earmarked through the building department. When you obtain a building permit to raise, it will be flagged and basically what this ordinance is doing is putting a 90-day hold on that property. Now when the Historic Preservation Committee meets, if it's determined that this property really has no historic significance or that the greater need of the community or for growth in the community warrants the destruction of this property, then it will not be held up. But basically what this is designed to do is to at least put a flag on that property that it may be of historic significance in order to stop people from pulling a permit one day and raising a property the next. So that is the only purpose of this is to investigate whether it is historically significant or to offer a cooling off period, possibly finding another solution. Thank you, Alderman Longham. Thank you. Thank you, Your Honor. I guess just a question for the authors of this document. Will it influence the homeowner's decision to alter or remodel or restore their existing home? Will they need a special permit? Alderman Ryan. To address that. No, Mr. Mayor, it will not. This is basically, this is strictly to determine raising the property is what this ordinance is about. Thank you. And before we take a vote, I too am glad that this ordinance is before you and that we had this public hearing and I urge everyone to vote unanimously. I think that you will. Certainly Carter Paulus and Mary Ann Windsor have been champions of protecting and preserving our historical heritage in Sheboygan. My friend the late Dr. Windsor was one of them too. And there's a lot of people in Sheboygan like these two individuals here, Mr. Carter Paulus and Mary Ann Windsor that really care about these beautiful buildings that still are hanging around, so to speak, but are in danger of being torn down. And I don't like old buildings being torn down myself either. So I urge everyone to support this. Please call roll. Clayunas. Hi. Manny. Hi. Meyer. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. Rindflash. Hi. Ryan. Hi. Vanderwheel. Hi. Rehasselt. Hi. Longamon. Hi. Boren. Hi. Balk. Hi. Gisha. Hi. Hannah. Hi. Heidemann. Hi. And Kittleson. Hi. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. 2045 resolution number 1960708 by all the persons Hannah, Boren, Clayunas, Balk, and Gisha authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget established in appropriation for office equipment maintenance for the city clerk, President Hannah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to put resolution 1960708 upon his passage. Second. Motion and second. Under discussion. There being none, please call roll. Manny. Hi. Meyer. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. Rindflash. Hi. Ryan. Hi. Vanderwheel. Hi. Rehasselt. Hi. Wongamon. Hi. Boren. Hi. Balk. Hi. Gisha. Hi. Hannah. Hi. Heidemann. Hi. Kittleson. Hi. And Clayunas. Hi. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Are you okay? Yeah. All right. Okay. What along? Other matters? Attorney McLean. 2145 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from Michael Isken, Chief Financial Officer of Fresh Brands Distributing, Inc. requesting a parking zone change to remove the time limited zone that exists in front of their facility at 2215 Union Avenue. That will be referred to public protection and safety. 2146 is a resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget. That will be referred to finance. 2147 is an ordinance amending section 2975 of the 1975 municipal code so as to change the job code and the job description for the lieutenant of police assistance shift supervisor operations division in the police department table of organization. Hold on. Hold on. Who has 2147 on your desk? Please sign it. No, no. We need the original. The original needs to be signed so we can act on it. Otherwise we can't. No, it would have a red mark on it. Please check. Somebody has it. We can go ahead and lie it over and I'll get another copy. Oh, I can sign. I think you did. I think you did. We need one more to sign it. One signature now. It's all signed. Okay. Thank you. Alderman Gisha. That one lies over. Thank you, Alderman Gisha. 2148 is an arrow by the city court submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2008 and June 30, 2009. That will be referred to law and licensing. Right in here. Motion. Turn. Second. Motion second to adjourn. All in favor say aye. We fold. And adjourned.