 Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining so promptly. This is the February 3rd meeting of the elementary school building committee as we march forward toward on this exciting project. And once I call everyone to make sure you can hear and be heard, we're going to move right into an agenda, including planning for the next meetings and and potentially a subcommittee as you can see on the agenda. So first I'm going to make sure that everyone can hear and be heard. And I'll call out names as I see them on my screen. Paul. Present. Mike. Jonathan. Good morning. Good morning, Ben. Rupert. President and accounted for. Tammy. Hi, good morning. Tammy is here in high energy mode. Sean. Here. Simone. And Alicia. Here. And Alicia, thank you so much for making whatever you're doing, the magic you're doing, making your work schedule work with them, the meeting schedule. Thank you. It's fantastic. So with that, as others join us, I will just do a check, but I'm turning it over to Margaret to show the agenda. Can everybody see the agenda. I can. So I think as long as one of us can, we all can. Okay. So we are going to, I'm going to quickly go over the agenda. The big items today are we're going to talk a little bit about soft costs. We're going to start with project with the furniture, pictures and technology, because we have gotten some information lately that makes us think we should bump that number up a little bit. I'm not going to go into the detail. The Dinesco team is going to go over the table of contents, which is just to summarize where we are, and to make sure that you know what kind of materials you'll be reviewing. So we're going to revisit the project costs and walk through the, the overall soft costs as well as the milestones to get to the debt exclusion vote, and then Kathy has a couple of subcommittees. She wants to talk about as well as community forum report, and then we'll revisit the timeline. We don't have any invoices today. So that will be it. Okay, so let's start out with the furniture fixtures and equipment piece of this. So I'm actually just going to pull a quick summary up. And we haven't in this group. We haven't really dug into the specific soft costs and I want to say that, you know, both budgets need to be thought of as a budget that sort of protects the community from increased costs at a point in the design when we're actually kind of far from buying stuff. What's happened most recently with the furniture is Donna and I put our heads together several months ago, and established what we thought was a reasonable, reasonable budget for furniture fixtures and equipment and technology. I'm just going to pull up a slide and show you this. Whoops. There we go. Donna is going to explain the detail of this but this this is the sort of high end version so we have 575 students. The MSBA actually gives a healthy subsidy for these projects of $1,200 per student. In the original budget that we, we've been working with, we have been using 81850 per student for furniture fixtures and equipment 1650 for technology. But recent bidding has suggested that we should bump that number up a little bit so Donna's going to walk through this but what we're recommending today is that that number be increased to $2,000 per student. It's a budget number right so we don't. And Donna's got quite a bit of detail to show you that's behind this but I'm going to turn it over to Donna to kind of done and Tim and Rick to get into more detail about this. Sure. I wasn't going to bring up all the detail but I certainly can. I mean, it literally is counting chairs, tables, desks, and then budget allowances for equipment but like the construction market, the, we call it FF&E furniture fixtures and equipment has has also been affected by this market as you can imagine a lot of the material is the same and, and, and then the market conditions themselves, delivery, etc. So, in recognizing, we actually just had a bid opening two days ago, and so we have like real, real data to support these numbers, unfortunately, but at least you're in a position now to be proactive as opposed to trying to figure out how you're still going to be able to furnish the entire new school. So we have contingencies and escalation built into these numbers so similar to what we did for the construction. We have line item numbers. Happy to share those those will be going in with the MSBA we have a FF&E consultant that this is what they do for a living so they've reached out to manufacturers. This is also utilizing MSBA's CPP program which is procurement program where they say, look, we have 10 schools all buying furniture we want the best price from you manufacturers as and so they're pooling their prices to get perceived better rates. So, all we can do is try to protect Amherst by utilizing escalation and contingency and these numbers. So we've invested on the room data sheets that we went through with the staff to identify what their specific requirements are in every classroom, making sure we have enough chairs so kids aren't dragging their chairs around the building when they have to go to a small group space. What we've done is allocated a allowance for equipment and that would be for anything from music equipment to kitchenwares to maintenance equipment so we want to make sure that we have money established for a snowblower or for a lift or those types of equipment and it's premature to be getting into the detail of all of those so what we've done is we've just established a budget recognizing that you're going to need all of this equipment. The other thing that we've done is in speaking with Mike and recognizing there is no real value and a lot of the furniture that are at the two schools. So we are saying that this is going to be fully new furniture for the new school. So, with that, we'll be sharing it. I mean, I could bring it up now it's going to, you know, literally is we need 24 chairs in every classroom a desk for every student stools. It's very detailed. It's very similar to sort of the budget but all of that will go behind this but again, we have escalation in there 3% annually until bid, and then some contingency built in Kathy. I have just a comment and a question, you know, to the extent people want to see the detail, we can post it in today's packet, we can just send it in. But my understanding Donna is that as we get over the hump of getting the school financed, you know the vote on the school, this will be interactive. I already picked the chair or pick the table correct this is what you see your emphasis on the word is, it's a budget. Yes, yes, that that that that that that's during that period so you know I just, you know just for my own. I think you know the teachers, some of the classroom people principles everyone. So that is all going to continue in terms of needs. Yes, is that correct. Yes, and thank you so we have visited several schools right. Our goal at at Dennis go is to ensure that the furniture that is selected is quality furniture that will last for many many years so we don't go high end. And given the market and everything and and we certainly don't want to always go with the lowest, because we know they'll fall apart in five years so yes we have selected a like a solid medium range kind of quality that what we know will provide value for years to come that will be in the school for years to come fall apart, but we will get into all of the detail and Kathy that actually. That actually comes much later in the process will continue to monitor the costs of these items but we've, we probably won't be revisiting it in earnest until we're into construction because every year, manufacturers change their styles that looks like furniture or whatever. And we would probably be going out to bid six months before we want the furniture in in the school. Yeah, I just want I just want to add Kathy are you done. Yeah I was just gonna say so the six months before you said you built in inflation for that's when you're going to be buying it so you're not saying we're purchasing it in 2024. And I would say most of this bump up in the summer is reflecting that right that we we are we have we know the schedule now we the inflation is in fact the other thing that's going to come up that I'll talk about soft costs review is also impacting insurance for the only two increases to the soft cost budget we're recommending today from what everybody seen before builders risk and furniture and it's directly related to inflation. Okay. I just want to say, and I know some of the folks in this call know this particularly, you know Tammy and might. The furniture that is available now for classroom use is just phenomenal. And it makes a phenomenal difference in teaching. And, you know, it has a lot to do with ergonomics but it also has a lot to do with the fact that kids need to move. So the furniture that we're buying today is furniture that allows kids to move in the classroom. You know, they're fidgety, you know, kids, and it's, it's just, I just think the furniture piece of this can be transformational, even, even in an existing building so you know I really want to endorse what the work that I have seen the Dinesco has done on this and it is a really important contributing factor to making a new school environment. Yeah, give me Margaret's funny. You know when you walk through a school. When it's, when it's completed all people see are the colors, and, and the furniture, right no one knows all of the effort that went behind the wall so it really, it really, and our opinion kind of makes the project a success right because it's the users actually experiencing it. Yeah. And we'll get into colors there are many colors there's there's this really takes a life of its own. And we'll, we'll, again be visiting other schools at, at, by the time we get here the schools that we've seen, you know are going to be dated so we'll we'll get into new schools with different types of furniture, we will bring in samples, we would like to involve someone maybe an occupational therapist or they're you know a physical therapist to make sure that ergonomically they work and there's a huge amount of thought and effort that goes into this process. Margaret, yeah, I want to make sure Allison, Allison has joined us Allison can you hear and can we hear you if you could just do a. Hello, yes, hi. Welcome. Great. Thank you. Okay, so the reason that we're talking about this today is that one of the pieces that's going to be in this in the schematic design package is this total project budget form so when we get to the point that we're reviewing that with you. Unless anybody has any concerns about this recommendation this updated number will be embedded in that. So I'm not seeing any hands. So I think I actually Tammy Tammy several of us did a couple of these school visits and the chairs were fun for adults to sit on fidgety adults. And so. So, so thank you so I think we can move to the next item so I think you've got an endorsement for for what you're recommending. So the next item, Donna was to talk about the table of contents, which I have open if you want me to open it or you guys can open it what's your preference. Go for it. Let's keep the screen sharing simple this morning. There we go. Thank you. So, similar to the PSR. We have been sharing with you throughout this process, all of the items that need to, that will be submitted to MSBA right so, so this is a compilation of all the work that we've done for the past. I think it's been over eight months, or six months so if just if you want to scroll through it. As as we were saying at the very beginning when we were looking at spaces. Desi, which is Department of Elementary and secondary education. Yep. I had one, they will be reviewing. They've already reviewed your ed program. They think it's fabulous so that's great. Now what they're going to do is we have a package that we have to submit to them where they're going to see where all of the spaces are going. There's a description that has to go along with it, as well as a letter submitted by the district, just again reiterating everything that we've said so they will review that concurrently with MSBA reviewing the schematic design package. And we anticipate there being no issues whatsoever. It's incredibly inclusive, and the special ed spaces and programs are embedded with the academic so that's going to be one submission. This is part of the binder but just to let you know that they're going to be submitting that the introduction is just a summary of all of the other sections as part of this, we have the final design program. So the total project budget, this is the piece and I'm going I'm saying you've seen the roll up of this but it will have more detail. So, yeah, and that's a separate line so the introduction is just a summary of all the other parts of this just for MSBA to kind of summary is really what it is. The final design program is everything that we've been working to it's those space summaries that will now be finalized with no changes as as everyone knows as we've rolled those up and shared with you. And, and again, everything that we've been discussing and talking about throughout the project, the traffic analysis we've shared you have that any additional environmental assessments or geotech or geo environmental the only things that we have to submit are the results of the well, the test well that we've done so we'll be including those. We have a code consultant for item six that we'll be looking at and making sure that, you know, all of our egresses and other requirements are met, and he'll be weighing in on that seven I don't believe we have any updates. You've seen them all, we have a massing study to share with MSBA the lifecycle cost analysis people are familiar with as we've talked about which systems we want to use. We've done a hydrant flow test so that will be included as well. The sustainable building design guidelines. I don't, I don't think that we have shared and scorecard and it's a lead scorecard, but we are tracking gold, and Margaret and Kathy maybe that's something that we could put on the agenda for for the next week. Again, similar to a lot of what we're doing now. We're very confident we're going to achieve the gold and the scorecard will show us how we're doing that and again it's all embedded in all of the work that we've been doing. Again, our accessibility analysis and compliance. This is an MSBA project, which is a state funded project which requires us to submit to the mass historic commission as the MHC. So we'll be. Yep, go ahead. Alicia has her hand. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, for a second before we go. No, it's okay thank you Donna I was just wondering if when you all are working on these things that they can be made available to the committee, like in portions so when each, like, number is finished so that we don't have to wait to the end to have a huge giant document to be reviewing. Sure. I, I'm not trying to dismiss your comment. I'm just thinking through the process. Yeah, we should be able to group a bunch of these at a time. I think, you know, we're not going to just send nine or 12 or whatever but just because we've got a lot of people working on these in tandem but that's a great suggestion and we can probably share a lot of a lot of the work that we've completed for some for some of these items so that you're focusing on some of the other items as we complete it. Just Donna, when we're going to get to sort of in in going with what Alicia's question is when we're going to get to next meetings. One possibility is that if there are some key pieces that we haven't seen like the lead scorecard and those there's some of them are going to sink. If you send them to the full committee and we post them, then we don't have to do it in pieces in terms of a review we can do it together but we get them in advance. So that might, we can talk about agenda and whether we want to meet next week to look at pieces, or we want to wait and look at the whole but receive pieces. And so I realize some of them are not. Not as separable. And some we've seen already so Alicia would that address what your, your things that we haven't seen make sure we get them. I'm just looking to see whether that, because some of the, these pieces are interactive with others so you know getting a few pages wouldn't make any sense, but it sounds like that lead table, or the equipment, the ff any table, you know a few of them have you're just going to be putting them in. Correct. Yeah. And some of them. Yeah, thank you. Thank you Kathy. Okay, thank you. Yeah, and you know some of them are us having to just finalize them, put them put them in the proper format, Barbara header footer, like all of that and so I certainly Tim and I can take a look and see what we can quickly. And so, you know, kind of get it up our, our plate and available for you all to look at. Okay, and I think the intent is not to slow you down or create extra work. So it's, you know, like you're going to have to use judgment on that. Yeah, yeah, but there are some things and some of them may not be 100% complete but we can certainly issue the scorecard, even though we might have all the certifications that support it. Okay. Thank you. Okay, let me bring that back up. Alrighty, so I'm going to keep scrolling here. And, and I guess what I do want to say for the lead scorecard. We have shared it, I think it was part of the submittal for the PSR, but now that we have more information right so I just recognize it's important to everyone. We will be submitting a project notification to mass historic. We can share the room data sheets with those room data sheets are meeting after all of the meetings we've had with staff. I don't, I don't believe we've shared these in detail with everyone but those how this, how the rooms are laid out and the type of furniture and equipment that are required for each of the staff to, you know, be as flexible and and provide the instruction that is helpful both for the FF&E budget because that identifies all the furniture, but it also helps us understand where the plugs and the outlets and the data drops and where the sinks go so so we can share those pretty quickly as well. I just want to comment, the mass historic notification is required because the building is more than 50 years old, but it's just a notification. No, it's, it's, it's because MSBA, it's a publicly funded project and MSBA makes us submit them regardless. I don't comment if they meet the project meets two triggers which is state money and another regulatory approval which in this case is DEP wetlands. Construction methodology methodology we're just going to give a quick write up that we've looked at both hard CM or DBB. Margaret's going to go through the budget. Yeah, what we didn't touch on was the technology budget and that too we should be able to send now for everyone's review. What what that is a very similar we've met with Jerry Champagne, Mike, and some other folks within the district to determine the appropriate technology equipment that would be for student devices that includes the interactive projectors in the classrooms, it includes the phone system, your switches and network and wireless access points throughout the entire school, etc. So that will accompany the detail will accompany the total project budget as well. The same the cost estimates, we will include those including the list that arrived us at the 80, I think it's 81.5 million. We have an updated work plan that is very just standard. And then we will require the local actions and approvals which is the votes and the minutes that accompany those and the project manual, which you have all seen it's really outline specifications, but those are what we gave to the cost as well as the drawings. So, all of this really is just putting all of the hard work that we've all been working on, and just putting a little putting them in proper buckets with a pretty bow on it. That's all I have. I don't know so Alicia thank you. Happy, happy to send, I just see a cat jumping behind Jonathan. But we're happy to go ahead and send off as much as we can, as early as possible. So, Kathy, I think that the thing we should, we do want to commit to is having the complete package available, and I think the date we were targeting was the 14th, February 14. So, do we want to revisit that I mean, I think sounds like we're going to try and put stuff that's done out sooner with the complete package to be available by the 14th. So the question, I'll just pose it to the whole committee we had originally, we had initially thought we would meet next Friday which would be the 10th. And then we would meet on the 17th to look at the whole report and vote on it. So, since it's difficult to do it, lots of it in pieces and a full draft won't be ready by next Friday. The question is, should we skip a meeting next week, but be getting some pieces, and then didn't go would be committing to getting the full draft and since it's an enormous document. The full draft would be, as we asked for it last time we, we would have it available so you could download just chapter one if you wanted to or just chapter two if you wanted to. So, so I'm putting it out as to the committee would you want to delete the February 10 the next Friday meeting, get some pieces but then know that you're going to get the whole, whole document on the 14th, which is. And that gives them time to be working on pulling this giant document together, rather than trying to excerpt pieces. So I'm looking for any reactions from people. I'm trying to eliminate a meeting just eliminate a meeting if people feel it would be a useful interim meeting but that's what's going to be happening between today's meeting and next this this entire report is being pulled together, Paul. Yeah, I think that's a good proposal. Kathy, I think meetings take time to prepare for to sit in and then to clean up from two minutes or whatever so if they're if, and that's not really the work is the work that they have to do to put this. This report together. I'd rather have our consultant spending time doing that work and then sharing it out with us versus sitting with us in a meeting. And just so people know the 14th would be a Tuesday before the Friday that we that they're committing to so we'd be getting the report and all its pieces and we would have a thorough just we to extend there. We could vote on it with recommended changes, you know, I mean we could vote on it as an amended is Rupert. Oh, I'd like to agree with Paul, I think that it makes sense to focus on getting the products together. I understand there may be some discussion about some subcommittee working that if we cancel that meeting might be free up some time for that kind of stuff. And I'm just looking for does anyone disagree with that in terms of they'd like an interim so I'm not seeing any, any nose. So I think what we're saying Donna and Tim is to think things are separable send them to us you know including at the end of today or Monday morning. And then we're going to be expecting on the 14th to get full meaning there might I know Margaret you have to pull like all our minutes all our meetings there's going to be lots of pieces that none of us are going to want to read. We've already read them but but we're going to get the full draft report on the 14th so that's we're eliminating February 10th as a meeting. Yeah, and Kathy, you know we, we were asking for the February 14 as a deadline date for us, if we can get it done sooner. We're happy to get it to you sooner. It's just a matter of, again, it's just dotting the eyes and crossing the T's for making sure it's, you know, an MSBA format, so to speak, or final format but again 90% of all of the work that we're putting together has been done and reviewed with everyone. It really is just a matter of pulling it all together but if we can get it out sooner, we will be happy to but absolutely no later than the 14. Okay. Okay, so that is the plan. But on the, before we go to the Margaret part we, we, when we left off two weeks ago, we had this massive list of possible cost changes with options we voted on an option list that is now being carried. And my understanding is, while I'll ask it as a question, we've got the two cost estimator estimates, we will be showing that 5 point, I think it's 5.3 but anyway, the reduction that we came up with will be showing that but we'll be also be showing the potential list things that we didn't take. Is that correct. In the document. MSBA. That is correct. Yeah. MSBA wants to make sure that we have items on a list for potential future that we're still thinking about that. Yeah. And then we, when we sent the summary, and when Margaret said the summary back to us and we posted it, there was a discussion of actually we had some public comments and, and it was a question of whether we could reduce the wood, I'll call it wooden tree budget, put back an equivalent amount of money into the fields budget so that the softball field backstops were in and Dinesco put together those would be equivalent so those can be on this list I mean we can make those decisions later and I just want to report on trees. Dave Zomac offered. I had one public offering but he said, you know, knowing that we're going to want some logs and others as the tree warden is doing work around town. We can save those, you know, I mean there's a way of preserving them so we don't have to then buy them so that some of those reductions can be real. So that was a possible alternative that's being carried on it's it's on that the list we didn't take it. So I just want to make sure people know that that is in in the list right now. So I think that is right. And then my other question is looking forward, as we get past the the school, hopefully the very positive support on the second. There will be other opportunities as you start to do this to look at things like outdoor sidewalks amount of pavement materials we're using outside. So we're looking at potential some of these are in the potential design mode and they've been priced out but those can be changed later if they're cost reducing and your and come back as recommendations. So I think that is, I mean that would be one of the things we would be working on with you as a committee. So we don't have to say this is the final list of potential areas. So Alicia has her hand up. Yeah, so I just, I just want to do that as well also for the public where we're by no means done and we're not building this school till 2024. Yeah, so Alicia, Alicia, you can unmute. Thank you. I just had a couple of questions one just for clarity Kathy so in what you were just saying is the backstop added back to that potential list. Is that what you were saying, if we want to there's an equivalency we could take so we stay at the same estimate we did that we showed publicly we could take that amount of money out of wood and put the back stops back in so if that is something the committee wants to do we can change that list now. And again this is looking into the future there might be other things we actually need to cut out of the budget or change in the budget. As a total so. Okay, so I'm hoping that we can do that now because I just worry that if we're going to take out the meeting that we're going that would have been happening next Friday that we should have that discussion now. And then we should that way we can have an updated list of what those items are because I have other suggestions and contributions if if that's something that we could talk about now. I think, well, let me ask the committee polls hand is up so on that one that's an easy one because it's been priced out and it doesn't change the design of the building. It's not major. And so if it's equivalency, we could as a committee decide to take it now so Paul. Yeah, I think it's a bad practice to do this equivalency approach. I think if we have cost savings we should take those cost savings. If we have funds that we can put into the project we should look at what our options are for that, and say, Okay, here are the bar priorities. I haven't I have not talked about or weighed in on the value of a black stop versus different space, you know, something else for the kids. So, I don't, I, I'm really not prepared to say, Yes, backstop versus no backstop or anything. I haven't just, we just haven't had that level of detail and I'm not sure we need to have that this moment in time. So I'm looking, if I just want to check whether anyone else has a comment, then I'll call Donna you have a comment and then back to Alicia. Yeah, thanks and Margaret can chime in as well, but this, a lot of these items. I'm going to continue to evaluate and discuss all these items there was some other items on the list as well that don't impact the designer the work that we're going to do as soon as the project moves forward. So, you know, maybe market conditions will shift and in different decisions will be made going forward so, in our opinion, this isn't an absolute for a lot of these items. Yes, we absolutely are going to take like the mechanical equipment and the valves out and all of that but a lot of these other items are more. It's going to sound bad cosmetic and nature than, than the overall impact so well they're not as they're not as wound in a complicated way to the building design so there it's it's a really, I do agree with Paul I think that they're, and I want to reiterate, I mean, this is an incredibly early level of design to be setting up budget, there is, it looks like it's finished and the decimal points make you think it's finished but there's so much work still to come so the process we've been through will continue. Personally, rather, it's not up to me but I think it might be more appropriate to list items as you know things as comments we've received from the community that we will be looking at and design development to sort of incorporate into the project through appropriate review of the project scope. So Alicia you wanted to you wanted to say something further. I was just wondering so if we are thinking that this is not the appropriate time to go through those kinds of details when would be the appropriate time to do so. And I still am wondering though that if things could be added to the list of things that we have, or if we're saying that we don't want to do that either. I'm just still slightly unclear as to what we're saying we don't want to happen right now, and if we don't want to happen right now when will it happen, and then how will that affect all of this documentation and the next steps that we're taking in the process. Well what I would suggest, you know, way back at the beginning of the process when there were like so many good questions that we needed to sort of take in sequence I created a section in the meeting minutes, where I was sort of, you know what we call a parking lot. In some context, where we said, these are comments that we've heard that we need to follow up on and we've maintained that and over time, there's really, there's one comment that's still on there but it's going to continue. I would definitely suggest, if there are other comments you want to add the backstop thing, I think would be a great item that we create the same set of condition in the meeting minutes there's a record of them. It's part of the record that goes in as part of the schematic design submittal. And then when we pick up with design development, we can go back and take a look at that lesson say, okay, we want to give clear direction to the designers on what it is. They're doing here are they doing this or are they doing that. So I think that would be more more effective. Because I don't think there's time in this timeframe to go back to the estimators do a whole round of stuff and as Paul said, it's something that you actually want to consider as many comments as possible in, in totality, rather than pick them off one at a time. Does that make sense as a process. Yeah, I think that makes sense. And I think I also understand what Paul saying in terms of like not swapping out certain things for other things. But so can we just add the backstop to the list. Can we add that to our list and then. Yeah. And actually Alicia you said you have other other items so let us have because I will include them in these minutes and create this parking lot for this particular item. Okay. Okay, great. So I would definitely like the backstop to be on there and I would also like the fences to be an item. Okay. Is that fences put back on or fences taken off. Fences taken off. Okay, thank you. There were, there were two sets of there was a fences around the softball field. Thank you. Okay. Alicia, do you have anything else. Not right this minute. No, thank you. Super. Okay. Do they sound like a workable solution for everybody. Yes. Okay. So, let's see here. All right, so the next thing we're going to do is I am going to talk about the total project cost and the milestones to the debt exclusion. So, I'm going to, I'm going to roll this up a little bit. I'm going to start with the updates to the soft cost budget. So you've seen one, there's one other that we're recommending. I'm going to recap what was shared with council and the milestones. So if you attend, a couple of these slides are going to look familiar. If you attended the council meeting. Get the right slide here. Things behind things. Okay. Can everyone see. So it's recommended soft costs up at the top. Okay. So, um, you know, we have spent really the last six months focused on this number, the construction number. Because it's the biggest number, right, but we have not spent, and this is what I want to dive into a little bit today. I'm going to talk about soft costs. So, we have, there's three kind of big buckets of soft costs. So there are fees and fees and encapsulates all the fees that are paid to the architect, the OPM, all the consultants who do various kinds of work and a motley collection of things like advertising moving. It's quite, it's quite a grab bag. Right now. When I went to presented this at council, I had a number of 9.7 million for that and the detail is going to be spelled out in the total project budget form, which you will see next week. The only change to that is that we did get an estimate for builders risk which exceeded the estimate that I had been carrying. You know, like the furniture this is one of these things where the cost of insurance is going up disproportionately with the cost, perhaps of everything but eggs I saw an article this morning that the price of eggs are way up but it, like the furniture this is not a set number it will get finessed as we go on, but what builders risk insurance is it does. It is worth understanding this so the, the entity that is building a building needs to have insurance for what is put in place by the builder. So, when the builder has, you know, put up a steel frame and been paid for putting up the steel frame, unless there is an incident of where they've been incompetent. What happens to that and typically this is considered, you know, kind of natural acts of God right there's a hurricane. It, it does damage to the frame, the contractor put it in place and got paid for it. Now the steel frame is owned by the town. So the value of builders rest is kind of interesting because at the beginning of the project it's zero, and at the end of the project it's the whole cost of the project. So, the, this process is also a bit process, the towns insurer has recommended using a very considered, very conservative number. So I am recommending that we bump that up a little bit. Then this is the furniture fixtures equipment and technology piece that we just talked about where we're recommending bumping up the furniture number a bit. There are these contingencies which are the hard cost contingency is, but in this case 5% is what I'm recommending of the construction costs, and the soft cost contingency is one person percent of the construction costs. This is money that you may not spend, but you need to have it in the budget and you need to bond for it in case you need it. And there's a whole sort of process that happens over the course of the project that MSBA provides funding for a portion of these costs, but not 100%. So they, you know, they want to be managed very, very carefully. So Sean has this hand up. Yeah, one question one comment. I think you said we have to bond for, we have to authorize it, authorize the debt, but we would only bond for it if we actually expend, expend it. I think this other one is sort of goes without saying hopefully but I just want to confirm. So the bulk of the estimated fees are for the opium and the designer so I assume the opium and the designer both very comfortable with the budget that's here for for estimated fees. Yes. I'm speaking on behalf of Donna and her team because I have gone through their estimate of fees and some detail and we actually spent a lot of time in the past week looking at not so much their fee but all the different consultants fees. Geo tech, geo environmental hazmat furniture you name it so all of all of those people are embedded in this and we are comfortable with the values that we're carrying are appropriate for them. Thank you. Well, you had your hand up. Yeah, so just a technical question is the builders risk something that the town would bid out or is that something that we would expect the contractor to purchase. Well, so it's, it's different, depending on which form of construction delivery you choose. If you choose construction management, you really want to make it part of the construction managers budget. And that is because that's the best way to optimize something that is seamless. Because we're doing design build, you really need to bid it out separately and that's my opinion that's the insurer's opinion. So, I expect that it will get bid. And that process isn't going to happen until probably, I would say three to four months before construction starts. Thank you. And Margaret just to clarify, this is the town's insurance. It's the town's insurance. So, you know, again, the worst case scenario is I always think like the building's almost built. And there is some crazy storm that happens and I'm not talking, you know, what it would be unusual but you know, 1933, you know, famous Connecticut River Valley storm, you know, stuff happens so that's what it's for. Any other questions or comments on this. You know, we, we, we had just as a somewhat of a background there was, there were a couple questions and or comments on the fact that the soft costs are. What's it called. Provide for. Okay. No, I'm just saying that that that the, the fees as Sean said those are agreed on fees that are embedded in this so one of the reasons we're not at the 25% that we saw six months ago and the PSR added on is because the fees have not gone up at the same rate as the cost of glass is that's my simple minded way of explaining this. Quickly with they're not agreed upon that though I mean, with the town at least. Right, right. We haven't found contracts for them but they're, they're estimated fees that I am able to present to the town. Okay. Yeah, so thank you, Sean. So, so Sean's caveat was maybe they could be lower with negotiation maybe, but any, but in any case I'm just saying that that is what's been going on behind the scenes here. Alicia. Alicia your hand is up. Yeah, sorry I keep having issues with my unmute button. I'm just wondering what the percentage for the soft cost is now. It's, it's about 20%. Thank you. I mean, I will also say that in, in my experience on projects that I worked on, we've only probably once with a very complicated project with a very long duration had soft costs that were much higher than 20%. So we used 25% at the PSR level, because there's still too many unknowns, but this, this number has a lot of data behind it. So I just calculated it's 20.8%. So call it exactly. Exactly. Okay, so, is everybody good with this because I'm going to toggle to a different slide I want to also just for folks who didn't. I didn't see the. Here we go. So, any folks who didn't see the my council presentation of these numbers. So, you know, obviously this does not include this change of $225,000 that we're talking about to soft cost but I wanted to just make sure everybody had seen what got presented to you. So again, here's that number again, the hard construction cost. Here are the fees and contingencies and FF and E numbers so this is where this number is going to bump up slightly. I've done a calculation based on the MSBA provides this, you know, detailed spreadsheet you which you will see shortly. And, you know, I, as I said in the council meeting, everything here looks really specific. You should really think of these numbers in terms of round numbers but let's call the MSBA's grant, you know, 40 looks like it's about $2.7 million. And then the town's share is about 55.3. I'm actually going to be the spreadsheet that they're using changed as of December 21, because they changed the ways they were calculating reimbursement. So this is all based on their new form and I am going to be reviewing it with the total project budget maestro Christina Ford at the MSBA a week from today. So, you know, will will confirm, you know, that I'm not, but they have looked at iteration early iterations for me and they, this seems consistent. So that's what was presented at council obviously this will get a little bit updated because we're bumping up the soft cost number a little bit. But then I also just wanted to talk about these dates which were talked about in council. Oh, Sean, I see you had me. I think this is probably just a question we can talk about offline and it's more for Paul but it's just about the percent for our piece and just how we're thinking about that and if this committee has to deal with that if there's a separate. I know we've seen some concepts that have the percent for our but the bylaw has some specific pieces to it about committees and things like that so just wanted to raise at some point, kind of the thing through how that gets incorporated. And it is, it is a separate discussion, Sean, because it's up to point 5%. And then it's got a process and the whole intention was involvement of the community, you know that, you know, so that's not even a fixed number and the point five is on the town share, you know, the way the way it was structured. So I think that is, it'll be a subcommittee something will have to be set up to figure out when and where. And I just want to just on that piece, Margaret before you go to this, we receive some interesting comments, or at least one person that you can do this quite specifically and I saw an example that in the Lexington school, if the kids are involved in what you're putting up some of it can be something you're changing over time. So you don't have to think of permanent installments and so I think that that will be also a discussion that And I'm just speaking on this because I was the chair chair of the percent for art committee that revised our bylaw and it was thinking in terms of particularly where we were going with it so that is a whole separate piece. And it is optional if we got to a real cost crunch. There was a, we could eliminate it, meaning the council could eliminate it. Folks, I have you started a very strange sound upstairs. I'm just going to go down and check on this but let me, let me put out the slide and Kathy, maybe Kathy or Sean could just talk through this this is the actions to be taken that was discussed with the Council, I'll be right back. Yeah, Sean you can walk us through this correct. Sure. Yeah. So Monday night February 6 at the town council will be doing our sort of initial presentation on the, the debt exclusion that out that authorization elements of the project. And then that will be immediately referred to finance and the next day there will be a brief discussion about it at the finance committee. February 7 or you see it right there February 27. There will be that's when we're planning to vote there should be a finance committee that shortly thereafter in the 28th where we'll dive into detail on the debt authorization piece of it. One thing I'll also add to this is the CPA proposal for 700,000 for the Fort River, the fields. That will also be presented very briefly tomorrow night. Monday night at the council, and then that will be discussed in detail and presented by the chair of the CPA committee on February 21st at the finance committee meeting. Make sure that's a Tuesday. Yep, February 21st will be the detailed presentation. And then it'll be slated to be brought back to the council shortly thereafter for approval. So March 20 is the public forum with any appropriation the town has to hold the public forum so that's scheduled to the council and 20th, the 21st will be a follow up conversation about the the debt exclusion. And then April 3 would be the vote on the, the, that authorization. And then I'll turn it back to Margaret for the final two. So I'm so glad I was on that was my friend who are blowing open. So, yes, so MSBA board. April 26, and then may second is the debt exclusion. Oh, so anybody have any questions about that. Oh, I see. Just to note that these are proposed dates. The council hasn't set the dates the council on Monday will review these dates they have not set the election. So that is all subject to discussion by the council just want to put that caveat in that these aren't set in stone that the council acts. Yeah. Any other questions. Oh, Kathy has a question. Okay, I have a comment more than a question on Monday night. The council was told what those of us who are supporters of the school can and cannot do. I have a short answer as, as I took it and then Margaret you can come back and say if I'm correct with mine. We can be out there advocating for the school. We cannot be using our town computer, our town resources or on paid time by the town. So what it means, what it means is, you know, one of the censor said so like when I'm running for election I'm allowed to go out and knock on doors or I'm allowed to go out and give up talks and the answer is yes. And we can also, any of us on the building committee or a group of us can be doing presentations information that talks about what's in this school what makes it an exciting project so but when I get back to some of the things that are being set up in a minute, I just want to say that, in addition to being on the building committee, any of you who want to be active in not just coming to this meeting but out there talking about the project are encouraged to and we can be talking about the outreach effort around this separately. And as an individual so I've been invited to give a couple just briefing talks already to subsets of our community. So Margaret did I capture that on what you know the guidelines on what we can do as a as committee members. Yeah, I mean that there are more detailed versions of it but that's the nugget. It's really, yes advocate that's your role in the community don't use resources, town resources so you know I think a good example is. And I know Mike knows this so I'm not saying this for my expense of it, sending flyers home and backpacks. No. Going to a PTO meeting and talking about the project and how great it is. Yes. I mean that's to me, sort of the diagram of it. Right. So are there any questions on what Margaret is just presented, you know one of the, one of the questions we got actually following either a forum or the council meeting is what MSBA CR calculation of their facility grant share. I think it makes sense that they are saying, done the calculation correctly given what the budget looks like. Well before April 26 and I think what Margaret just told us is the answer is yes. There's going to be a review of that so you know some sense of what is the town chair wanting not to wait until April 26 official. Correct. You know so we. This is interesting because in the past, they've provided reviews. I would say before the submission. It's really helpful, rather than officially, and then they've done their official review afterwards. This time, I got, I was going to call Christina and she emailed me and said, we want we're going to start doing a kind of pre review before so that I think that's a really good and helpful part of the process and I honestly feel really good because this, this budget is in really good shape in my opinion. We, you know, it's been, we've really pressure tested it. Dinesco the Dinesco team and myself and I feel really confident in that the numbers are the right numbers so it's a great time to do it. So we ready to move to my part of the agenda. We are. Okay. I sent everyone a memo and I'm not going to market can put it up on the screen or I can just assume that you have it. So I wanted to do a really quick report on, and I provided summaries on what we heard during the, the three meetings last week there was a council presentation and there were two forums and I think we had a quorum of the building committee at the council presentation which was great the whole school committee came. And so that one. So what I did with Margaret's help was collect all the questions that got asked. These were answered during the meeting. So it's not that they were left unanswered. And what I what I propose doing is not clearly the entire list each one but creating a frequently asked questions with clusters with answers, doing a draft getting to our website but also giving it to all of us so any of us get who get asked these questions so there were examples on what are you doing about the water on the site. There were compliments throughout to week. How, how is, you know what about special needs what, what about access. What about traffic so we got a lot of really good thoughtful questions. And then there was Port River was another one of them. So some of these were sent in afterwards. And so we're going to create. I'm going to work with staff and our design team to craft answers Paul might can help the educators get a draft done. And there was a lot of question about safety, you know in terms of intruder safety and so was the description of how the building can be locked down between the classrooms and the front. One, one question that came in was should the music room be moved up. Is it exposed and what Dinesca can talk about a little bit how it's integrated with the way the cafeteria works, but the those doors to the, to the music room can be locked so, and there's a vestibule that people come in. And the way the building is designed. So all of this. We're going to be trying to capture it in a way that normal people can understand and including net zero, you know, how much does that cost, how much is added compared to a fossil fuel building and I'm putting together kind of a net zero fact sheet. And because of the incentives that are out there the answer is very, it's a marginal cost with a big return, and we get paid back pretty quickly. So I just, I wanted to let people know that is happening. And then we also Margaret if you scroll just up to the top on the comments people loved it is the other I don't want to do this like there was a critique people loved the building. And to be assured it wasn't too fancy that we'd been careful about the materials we chose. They love the classroom configuration we got an extensive comment on how important day lighting was and they were glad we did it. One person said don't worry about three story schools they've been around forever I went to one. I love that comment. And my fourth grader is watching this is as can I go to that school right now and that fourth graders currently at Fort River, but you know things about bicycles on the site, you know where would we park our bicycle. And some, some questions about the outdoor areas that came in both from the public during the meeting or afterward. So, do we need to do the Port River rubber, are there other substances can is what about the walkways. So, one of the things that came out of that I thought, and then I'll say one other, one other piece about presentations. I think that we could, if people are willing to create a subcommittee for the outdoor play spaces because as Paul pointed out early on, some of this is we have the draft, but we don't necessarily have every detail. And that could be an ongoing that's because it's going to also going to need some input on what play equipment we haven't talked about what equipment goes there. And then we can move those discussions to materials on what options we have to that subcommittee without making those decisions now but let the commit community know that that discussion is going to happen so I wanted to propose potential subcommittee. Moving on the agenda, if, and, and this was actually Jonathan's salven suggestion Jonathan if you don't mind my calling out your name on moving, moving it to a subject because it's going to be an ongoing discussion it's not just we don't need to make all these decisions and so that was a piece. Then, then there were get the news out to the community so after the forums and the council last week. A couple people who were at from the Applewood community, there were questions about the cost so you've got all of that and that all of that will be developed, and I will when I when a draft is available. I'll share it with everyone so if people feel like it's too wonky. I want to get it to to a readable readable scale, and I'll work with people at the school committee on anything that with the education program that we can post it on the project site, but make it available. I was invited to Applewood by, and I think everyone in Amherst knows what Applewood but it's an independent living for seniors, and they do a Saturday morning briefing, and I'm going to be presenting this with questions and answers on April 15. I'm going to do that group and they will some of the people who are living there have adult children or grandchildren living in the community and they invite the larger their larger community did come. There's been an offer but it hasn't been set up yet up here. Here, meaning the north part of town where I live. There is a large complex with apartments in it, and there's a big gallery space, and the offer was we could use that if we could help them set years, and it has a capacity for 100 plus people in it, and they would make it available with refreshments to the community. And that has not been set up yet but that was free refreshments, free refreshments to come and and they had the facility for Wi Fi or presentation, and the council, the various districts are setting up meetings, and any of you are encouraged to come with me and Alison McDonald has offered to come from the school committee or other ideas of how we take what will be a package we have a presentation package and we can get it down, or we can narrow it and change it but but the kinds of things we've shown at the forum to between now and well before the vote, we can be fielding questions, answering, and if we're out there without our experts behind us we can always say that's a great question I'll get back to you. So I just wanted to let you know that this, this is being set up and by next week, I can, I hope to be able to give you some dates, because the district meetings are being set up now. So just live is looking at trying to set up to, for those of you live in the south, one might be at Crocker farm, and one might be on zoom and we got a request to do something at the Jones library on the weekend, so that people who work could come up with this so they're the response was get this news out because people were really excited about it. And they were excited about all aspects of it and I just, I'll stop then because I tried to capture a lot of this in my memo but one of the people who's been active as in our public with public comments said you know we should really be thrilled with this because we're getting a four fold investment in addition to a great school and at zero school, the community fields and a community resource after hours and opportunities so this notion of the, the whole community as well as our children benefit from the project that we all have been working on. And, and I'm stopping there to both get any questions but I'd also like to see what people think about the idea of setting up a subcommittee, and we don't have to get volunteers this week but we could officially set it up next week if people like the idea of someone who would like to be on it, can just get their names in the pot. So I'm stopping my rambling on Alicia. Thank you Kathy, so I just really quickly wanted to voice my support for creating a subcommittee I think that's a really good idea, because we do have so much information to sort of sort through. And then I also just wanted to plug that I think, moving into the next portion of this project that outreach, more extensive outreach is going to be really key for us. And so I would be happy to meet with you Kathy and talk a little bit more about organizing those community events because I think that's going to be really important. Fabulous. Mike. I'm looking for against the subcommittee idea for that I guess my two questions and maybe don't have to be answered today is one, what area, what other areas might we form subcommittees for like, I don't want to, I don't think it's wise procedurally to have a one off for a subcommittee, and then other things are going to come up with a do we need a subcommittee for that or not so I think having some criteria, because there's a whole number of things that are come at us fast and furious. So I'd like to take a step back and have structures for what that happens in the second piece would be, what is the composition and task of subcommittees again not this subcommittee, but more generally. So we have really defined expectations for that so I think it's a good idea to get more community involvement and we're worked on outside the larger committees on this and any number of topics but I think taking a step back and say, okay what's our structure we're going to have a building committee. What subcommittees might we need moving forward Margaret and Donna and others who have been through this before probably have great expertise on that. And then what's the charge of those subcommittees and what's the interplay between subcommittees, and the full committee I know the school there's some really defined clear protocols around what's a subcommittee who's on a subcommittee, what the role is how does that interact and I think we just, we should have that in place before we go forward with something, because I think it's going to be a precedent setting one and I think we want to make sure we set the right precedent. I totally agree with that but I want to hear from Jonathan and so I won't. It's not like next week. It's not next meeting we just we had that as a full discussion and talk about how we set these up and charges Jonathan. So yeah I absolutely agree with what Mike said I had, I would look to the design team to kind of guide us on places that as we're moving into dd or design development, where are they going to be looking for more kind of detail. I don't know if it's for input or review on multiple aspects of the building I, you know, I suggested the one on the, the outdoor player is one because we're getting lots of comments but also because it was one we didn't really have the time and the ability to get into a great depth in this, this setting. I suspect we should, you know, this is me speaking personally I suspect should meet again to talk through the details of the net zero piece as it moves forward but I am sure there are going to be other components of the interior and the furnishings that will also require that kind of slightly more detailed level, intense kind of comment back and forth that sometimes is hard to get into in this setting. Yeah, I think the furnishings is a great example to where you're really going to want to have a subset of people who really are working in the classroom that are that are part of that. So, you know, there are probably others but Mike, your comments are well taken. Okay, so that's terrific. And, and thank you all who are much more better process oriented than I am. I am, I am quite me in a direction and I'll work hard on it. So I think so what what we'll do is, then, then, Margaret can show the meeting schedule but we're scheduled on the 17th to be looking at the full report loading on it. And then we will also have some potential other meetings, I mean then may second is at least as Paul pointed out that's the tentative big date of when we get a vote on this, and then moving forward. Which subcommittees do we need. We can think of when best to have that discussion in terms of make good use of our committee time that we're not just spinning wheels on this. So Margaret you want to, we talked about what happens after, you know how often, how often might we meet in March, April, May, you know just giving people some sense of that. The meeting is definitely the 17th and Angelica who is not here today. She's traveling she has a lot of complex she assured me. She said, I will be there on the 17th so it's an important day because this is one where we're making any final revisions wording anything on the report but voting on the report and the submittal. And then did this go and team will get it to MSBA. So, Margaret, do you want to talk about what what our meeting schedule looks like going forward. I don't know if I can pull up a calendar but I'm not sure it's super helpful. So, you know, it, to be honest, like, we're coming to the end of the most intense part for the building committee of the process. So kudos to you all for your robust participation. Once we get the submittal in. And I've done it and I have kind of connected on this. We don't anticipate that there's going to need to be a regular building committee meeting more than once a month. So, in fact, with the exception of the fact that we need to certify the minutes. If you're going to take a vote on the 17th to submit the document, then those minutes actually MSBA requires that those minutes be certified so there is some very small value to having a meeting in March and looking at the calendar. It seems like March 17 would be a contender. I skipped that and did the schedule a meeting for April 14. That would that seems to be a date that works for the consultant team, as well as Kathy, and could could also be a placeholder. And then tentatively I would suggest and I'll send out holds for this. And I'll send it out on the 17th and June 16. So one thing that would be super helpful, and I can sort of quickly put this up on the screen is that could, if folks could take a look at their calendars and see if those dates are workable for them, and then we'll, we'll put holds in for those meetings. So I'll ask on the certification of minutes on the, the last two documents where we had to send in for votes, the MSBA was willing to take our town clerk looking at the minutes, and then looking at, actually, you're absolutely right Kathy so we should not need to do that because they, they were willing to do that. So we need to meet separately, correct. So I don't want to skip a step but I think that's no, you're totally right. So show these dates, and people could check their calendars and again, you know, I'll put holds in people's calendars. Okay, so I think we're going to take out March 17, because as far as I'm concerned the only reason for that meeting would be certification which we don't need to do so then I think the dates for looking at our April 14, which we may or may not need. May 19, which would be our first meeting after the vote, and then June 16. So does anybody have any conflicts with those because if not, we'll put holds calendars. Paul is good Paul his calendar is probably the worst of anybody is giving us a thumbs up. And with the discussion we just had on subcommittees. That's potentially on an agenda for May 19, which would be after the vote, and we're in the phase you're talking about. Jonathan so there could be some work done on getting a recommendation or what we might need and what criteria, etc. for that date. So Paul. I didn't mention that. I think that's good for the committee to ramp down but I think that the work of the individuals is going to ramp up because we do have a lot of outreach and communication to do with people. This is the result of this body's work and Roy proud of the work that everybody put into it and the diligence that we all put into it. But it means communicating out to the people who haven't been paying attention about the value of it and the things that you've been doing Kathy and I don't think it's fair for us to let you do everything. And I think that the more people like you said you've invited folks to join you at any of these presentations I think when there are representatives from the committee there. There's more power to the presentations just just not one voice so any if you have any of those kinds of things that you're that you are in your agenda please invite everybody. We try not to have a quorum but it is a good it's an important it's also really helpful to hear what people are saying to us, you know. I think it's really incumbent upon us, we, we can communicate information in town officials are different than than just regular advocates and things like that but I think our work is actually going to ramp up versus just coming to meetings, not just coming to me Yeah, I agree about that. So I, you know, Alicia raised her hand to help me on this too. And, and, you know, I, I know, Ben you've gone out to the community at certain points so I would pull is asking me to do and I'm happy to hear our dates I know about and events, and any of you can join, but you can also set them up and, you know, one of my virtues, or, or my husband thinks liabilities as I have boundless energy, and, and, and, and I am totally willing if someone sets something up independently and wants me to come to theirs. I'm happy to, you know, in terms of ability to answer questions so I am thinking through that this is something that I would really like to see through to a success point so any amount of time so anybody and everyone is invited and I will send every day, including the meetings and Paul, I, you know, in terms of your saying of quorum I'm not sure we're ever going to have seven seven committee me, but, but this is also going to be extended to the school committee that the school committee wants to get out and be talking about this so likewise, and there may be some community members, the climate action folks said once at this point they want they're going to want to rally so one other place that I'm looking to try to set up two possible different places to talk on the U mass campus because there are registered voters in locally registered voters at the U mass campus and the landscape design people, two people are doing the Fort River School, as their master's thesis, and they've been out walking it looking at our site design, and they are going to do their presentation, and they're going to announce it to the campus with a vote on the school on the May 2. And this is a real project. So I had a long discussion with them, just giving, pointing them to the various meetings we had where they could see that just got outdoor learning. And by the way without our learning Dave Zomac, send us a reminder of the other 2820 ish acres Paul that a but this that we haven't connected with the bridge yet. But this, this is endless opportunities have for environmental learning for these kids and the community flowing back and forth, because of the other fields we have so that group had already seen it they said could, can we make sure we could we could connect looking for opportunities for the students interested in climate and net zero buildings on either the Amherst College, Hampshire College or UMass. So nothing of that that has been set up, but all of those are ideas that people various groups are going to try to see whether we can help activate that. So any other comments or questions. So right now our next meeting is Friday, February 17. Between them we may get some pieces, and we will definitely get the end, this entire report in downloadable segments. So we have a lot of detail on costs that we have already seen but you met the MSBA is going to see everything so those giant cost estimator documents each was about 20 or 30 pages long. I mean this, and my understanding more great as you said that we got your cost estimator and designer that they're going to endorse the fact that we had one go back and actually give us these estimates for that 5 million. So we're going to have that coordinated so it doesn't look like they're there we're estimating different animals or pieces and they that has been completed so in my summary of total project budget I would explain the process we went through. And that our estimator has signed off on those VE calculations so I just send everybody a calculate a cancellation for the 10th so it's not other meetings it's just the 10th okay. Okay, so does anyone have any before I put it all for for public comments. You know, I can't, I can't tell you how excited I am about this project so I just think, particularly thank all the school folks who haven't been attending everyone in meetings that went to all of your in classroom meetings Tammy on the outdoor indoor and classroom pieces. So I am going to put it open for public comments, unless I see any hands. And I don't so we are open for any public comments. And I see several hands so I bring up bring people in one at a time. Rudy, you're, you are with us. I think thank you can you hear me all right. Yes. Okay, great. I just I had raised in a written comment a number of weeks ago about all the issues with the equipment. We're going to be putting into the school and what a big portion of the energy budget that will be. And I think that's potentially going to take a lot of discussion between the school department and net zero advocates and others. And I hope that that work doesn't wait till after May 19 or whatever for even a new committee or and that the net zero committee potentially is the right location for a lot of that discussion I hope that work and start about the elevator about the kitchen equipment, all the things that are going to chew through a lot of energy in the school that we haven't really talked that much about. Secondly, Dennis go ahead mentioned that there was a code ambiguity right now, and they were going to look at about the energy changes in the energy code and how the energy was being modeled potentially. And this was a couple of months back you listed a number of elements increased roof insulation increased wall insulation possible changes to the glazing and under slab insulation going under the full building as things that might need to be discussed. Once you got more clarity on the code requirements. And I've, I'm wondering where we are in that discussion, because some of those might have a cost impact. And whether that's been resolved I think at one point Margaret said that that was sort of being carried in the contingency the construction contingency. And that's where we would deal with it. Has that been resolved and maybe if you can give an answer next week I realize you don't answer public comments but. So, thanks so much so I think we need the subcommittee on the net zero particularly meeting now and and a lot of work with the school department to suggest equipment, and of course they'd have the last call on what gets actually used because they know how they use things. Thank you Rudy. Maria. Thank you. I have several things I wanted to talk about. First, thank you for putting together all that input, both at public forums and on the emails that you've received and for trying to chunk out this information to launch. And that it's not just one big document right before that that that's great that you're planning to do that. Question about the old furnishings. I'm sure that even though that these are not the latest and greatest furnishings they would be much appreciated and able to be used in other parts of town as donations. Take the best stuff and maybe have that used at Crocker farm. I just don't want that all to end up in a landfill and wasted the percent for art. I noticed on your slide, it seemed to be part of the debt exclusion override that money and I don't know that that was the intention of the percent for art I thought that that was to come from town budget so could you check into that and where that money would be coming from. I do have to comment about the backstop. It seems kind of petty to not add just add that back in it was removed it by mistake it was in it was in books, and there was good faith suggestions by advocates for it for the field including myself to take out a lot of the other stuff that was unnecessary, but you need a backstop or else you can't play softball and taking it out is not really a great way to build good will which we want to do. The numbers of the community, you know, worked hard and lobbied to even get CPA funding so I think that should be a relatively easy thing for a low budget. Thank you for I guess Jonathan for coming up with the idea for a subcommittee on outdoor materials and this isn't as you pointed out this isn't precedent setting we have subcommittees in here for net zero for material selection. So, I think it's a, I think it's a great idea, and I agree with Rudy I would love to see then the net zero subcommittee also ramp up a bit here they there's a lot to contribute from that point of view. Thank you very much. Thank you Maria. Hi. Can you hear me. Tony you're with us. Thanks, Rudy and Maria actually asked mentioned a bunch of the things I was going to say I just wanted to get a handle be helpful to know what design progress will happen in the next three months before the May 2nd override vote. And will there be opportunities to make tweaks and changes or is it pretty much set now until after the debt exclusion override. I want to echo. Thanks to Jonathan for the subcommittee on the outdoor area idea I think that's, that's a great idea I think there's a lot of community interest in areas outside the school playgrounds basketball courts and the fields, access for pedestrians and cyclists to get to the school so I think there's a lot of community knowledge that can be shared with the committee to make the outdoor area as good as they can be. I'm not. Thank you Tony very much. I'm not seeing any other hands. And so Margaret will have captured those and we will, as all of you know we've been doing minutes and I've been reviewing so the minutes for today will be posted and we will get the minutes very quickly of the for the 17th out. So I'm, I'm not seeing any other hands. So, I want to encourage everyone to let me know how often they want to go out on speaking I will get you the dates and I will keep that list updated so what you'll just get from me will be here are the dates here are the times. And I know if you want to participate and I will immediately take Alicia up on her offer to figure out what other things can be set up and I welcome any suggestions from anyone and when I say I, I would say we, there, there will be, there's a larger group that is totally enthusiastic about working on this. So, including some school committee members and leaders. So I want to thank the design team. I, I, I, you've been amazing, including that a list that cut some of the things that you had proudly put into our building out of our building but produced a building that is still unbelievably exciting and those movies. I just have to tell you that the movies, someone said, just keep showing that for four minutes, three minute movie script. Because it's, it's a fantastic building and the thought that's gone into it and the outdoor play spaces and listening has been fantastic so. And with that kudos to you at 1012. I am going to say we are adjourned. Thank you. Thank you.