 Welcome back here. So watching the breakfast and plus TV Africa the inspector general of police has summoned commissioners of police across the states and the AIG's of field commanders over a national security threats the meeting with the CP's and AIG's Oshadol to hold yesterday morning at the police headquarters Shea Oshagari way a so-called a bouja well apart from that the latest in the very Pressing one is a fact that Nigeria's Senate yesterday lamented the escalating wave of insecurity that has made Nigeria unattractive in their words for foreign direct investment and Security chiefs to up their game to halt the ugly trend now the Senate president also added that there is nothing to show For the huge investment the huge investment in security Senate president Ahmed lawan who expressed a view at a marathon meeting with the military chiefs and heads of security and Intelligence agencies. I mean meeting held from 2 p.m. To about 7 30 p.m. Last night He described the level of insecurity in the country as most frightening That's what he said most frightening at this meeting came one week after the minority caucus of the Senate gave President Buhari six weeks to address the aim security in the country of face impeachment proceedings the law and spoke on a day a Bandits attack the convoy of assistant inspector general police AIG in charge of zone 12 Bouchie, I'll do Adamo Madaki inflicting gunshot wounds on his leg and killing his oddly injuring many escorts the AIG Incidentally was on his way To that meeting the police straight strategic meeting Of its commanders summoned by the IGP as we mentioned earlier Osman al-Khali in Abuja Meanwhile, al-Khali has ordered enhanced security at prison facilities. He's also ordered raids on suspected criminal sales in response to The security glitches the chief of defense staff also That's a general lucky rubble led the chief of army staff lieutenant general faruki. I a chief of naval staff Radmir or our gambo and the chief of air staff Emma shell or Ladi or Mao to that meeting with the Senate leadership The IGP Osman Baba al-Khali the DG of the Department of State Services DSS use of Magaji bitchy the Commandant general the NS CDC the Niger security and civil defense corps who have been becomes of a leading Intelligence provider in the country these days surprisingly Dr. Ahmed a bubakar Audi The director general of the national intelligence agency Ahmed Rufai a bubakar were also present at the meeting However, the national Security advisor major general Babakana mongolo retired was represented at the meeting as he was said to be at the weekly federal executive council meeting Let's look at this this development. We have joining us a security consultant and analyst Connell Hassan stun level cuddle stun level. Thank you very much for your time Thank you. Good morning. All right. It's quite unfortunate that you know whilst the IGP was trying to do his best To you know to rally his his field commanders his IG's his CP's To respond to the state of security in the country today or in security That one of them and he was ambushed on his way to Abuja for that meeting I think it it says it all doesn't it and one of his aides was killed the AIG himself received Wounded his leg like you had in that intro this paints a picture clip picture of what's going on in the country in the time when these Terrorists or bandits you want to call it are able to attack security agents as they wish You know, thank you very much What ever the case like we have him now it's clear that The deliverance force In the confrontation busy, you know strategizing and trying to see to What extent they can achieve all their aims and I'm thinking You know, I trust the Department within that device was right It calls for so much and taking a mouth. I All right, there is a need for us to Do it if it's about our strategy There is a need for us to Try to be more correct in whatever we think we're great simple, otherwise The deliverance will continue to take off my surprise the bottom line is Of course take the buses to them We cannot be waiting for them to bring it to us All along we have the food like I like to come who have shown too much of docility This is a time More so now that they have found their attention to Abuja Those who are not ready to take this Thank God they are all in Buddha so the fire is Right at them at the other doctor All right, you talking about proactivity and taking the fight to the terrorists and not waiting for them to To bring the fight to the authorities the IGP has ordered that the The the police rate cells these are cells that are in different parts of Abuja You know terror cells and all that Is it that they didn't know that these cells existed or they knew that these cells existed and just all of a sudden waking up to their responsibility and What do you think that says? I think it's up to you All right, the IGP has ordered to his men to rate terror cells in different parts of Abuja As a way of nipping this state of insecurity in nations capital In the in the bodies also ordered You know the prison at prison facilities to have enhanced security from the police You know so so these criminal cells these terror cells is that the police may not have known that these cells existed You know, what do they have to wait till now? to to Invade these cells and to calm down on them, you know Yeah Thank you so much That's the lackadaisical attitude. I've been talking about Are we just knowing that these cells exist? Are we just knowing that these guys are in the forest all over? I would just that there's an influx of unwanted persons into the Nigerian state clean up on as they are sick Me why they are heads man claimings will put in the Controlling their head Why Karen can actually talk? Our government we're not doing all this our security agents are not doing all this But we have to point fingers to citizens who want to protect themselves By getting arms as if we're not seeing those In our door step who are also am There is more to this The government has to tell us what they know, which we don't know America is busy going down So so terrible criminals all over the world Yeah, we are taking them Begging them and bringing them from here with the best one like that We are not All right, so you're saying there's more to this and there have been some some documentaries released recent time You look at the BBC Africa eye documentary in the bandits of Zanfara and you look at the The daily trust of the trust TV documentary that was released a month or two ago That sort of you know captured the picture of what's going on And from the picture that was painted I mean apart from the Boko Haram is swap and sorrow and over for the conflict in Zanfara the one that we see It being called banditry that them you have an influx of people from a certain tribe and Who are in the country and across Africa not just wet but especially West Africa and they're talking about the fuller needs Who have come into the country and also Attacking native fuller needs who live in hamlets, you know And also sort of a tussle between The fuller needs and the houses so killing and counter killings and them both groups have had to arm themselves And the fuller needs who are in the bushes with bikes and ammunitions and the houses will form vigilante is to protect their villages Do you think some of this should should provide? A way for this information now a way for a security apparatus to to address at least part of the situation if not all Thank you. You see when you watch the clip of those short You would agree with me that now Frankly, there is what I will call I'm not official official code and this is between elements and the talks in government with this bandit and It is unfortunate That we ordinary Don't feel to know what is happening From the initial trial of not knowing there this bandit sign the forest Eventually it became clear to all of us That everybody knows I know You the postman knows Agents know Governments of which I know Why are we visiting ourselves like? With line warmers coming on earth to sell off all sorts of life Yes, like that. It is unfortunate There is so much to say from the click here from the Visual super something about which as a serious government and If only we want to take steps I've seen that it should be well happy with science We'll be able to do a lot of investment from there and get so much But frankly speaking even all that will be a service of time Because government knows everything that is happening The children and if you have had contact with this man I've always come back to tell us and even demand yourself Hopefully said Tell your government or call your president that you meet up with the agreement where I've done What agreement they didn't go arrived at on the up of Nigeria Then Nigeria were not like this This is the whole thing You see a lot of complexity Nobody's taking to work Nobody's talking to the people doing nobody's addressing up They have turned off all the food It's unfortunate But you are not food We now know what is happening And we know it will not get In Nigeria and I'm talking as the capacity To deal with this mess of ground That you lack of clear direction from the political strategic level It's not allowing the military to do its job people Do you understand what I'm saying? Okay. All right. All right. So you say the military has a capacity to do its job But you have some complicity at the top levels of echelons of government I mean in times past in Nigeria the military has been proven or has proven to sometimes have a mind of its own I mean if you remember when it was said that the then president civilian president Shea Ushagari asked the then military officer and leader Muhammad Buhari to to stay back and not chase Mitted sine into into Chad the then officer Buhari Refused and moved his troops and chase Mitted sine to into neighboring Chad, you know You know against the the wishes of the then president Shagari So what's different this time? Why does the military not have a Mind of his own to to say, you know, we we're loyal to Nigeria first and instead of saying we're loyal to the president first Or to any any anybody for that matter It just would be quiet. All right. All right, sincere apologies, please for the noise in the background I'm saying that you've talked about you've said the Nigerian army the military the armed forces generally Has what it takes to address a situation, but you are pointing at sort of collusion From the top echelons of power in this country is being behind some of these things I'm saying that in the past the Nigerian armed forces have proven that they can have a mind of their own and To defend and protect the territorial integrity of Nigeria As their loyalty will be said to be first or in the past was said to be seen to be to Nigeria not to any individual In government. I mean a case in point was a certain military officer Buhari who against the wishes has been said of the then civilian president show Shagari Chased the Mitted sine into Chad Despite the president then it was said to have told him to stay back, but he he refused that's the story we hear And so what's different about the military in Nigeria made the armed forces this time? Why don't they have a mind of their own? Why do why they seems more loyal to individuals and government down to the federal public of Nigeria? Colonel Hassan stand up. Are you there, please? Yes, so so yeah, what do you what do you say to this? Can the military move on its own to do what it needs to do Yes, this is me. I said on that in Democratic The military is completely Answerable, right? To political authority The military doesn't ask in isolation it takes orders directly All right from the political leaders I'm a nation from the political strategic level Do you get me? So this is not the time to begin to ask in a rascally manner that Will not be in tandem with the democratic process which we are practicing Simple when you read the body language of your former issues Who of course in most cases is a civilian When you read the body language of such a fellow or when you listen to options Coming out of his mouth You know whether you that direction to be taken or if you don't be taken simple and we are saying that we write Directives and others Not until a place Really dead back When did you did it? What for the deliverance and now at the door they adopted in a Buddha That they are now taking or trying to take you serious I will begin to hear the sort of language and direct it Now we should hear Otherwise all along How can you for heaven's sake? Be coming back today as a commander in chief with prisoners of war Who are terrorists? Where are you that you do not eliminate them in the forest where you met them? You are bringing them back home To create more problems for the country Now we begin a rehabilitation process feeding them talking them medical students accommodation Jesus Christ Are we fighting in school at all? We should take into cognizance the peculiarity of our national interest and adjudge our problems to a degree We are here relaxing our own in the name of our human rights or whatever Leave those God and rights aside Even those who make the blood at this break in it In the national interest You are here because of out of some flimsy scientific God's religion Ethnicity Tribalism You are busy gathering thousands of terrorists Where are they? What society are you going to losing them out to eventually? After your so called rehabilitation In the national interest Are we learning any lessons from Afghanistan? Our situation might be worse than that of Afghanistan if we are not careful We are the reporter of the amputee I've been taking over by the leader who has become our All right Connell Have you wondered why we we have been having bandits kidnapped passengers of the Kaduna bound train kept them in a bush moved them from place to place and are releasing them in batches upon the payment suspected supposedly of tens of millions of Naira in ransom releasing them in batches These bandits are able to release these captives on roads For instance the last batch were released at the Kaduna Abuja highway That's where they picked them up These victims They speak to the media They speak to the press They record videos they share on the internet They speak to And they say a lot of things How come till now None of the information that these freed kidnapped victims have been sharing has been used to locate at least if not rescue Just basically locate and monitor these terrorists who kidnapped the train passengers It's strange to people The things they say can give you a clue I'm sure they have information as to where these people may be That these guys who are not going to be are probably not going to do their protest with the military I expect that they come out We welcome them as a country We our security agencies We take them on for initial medical check up on what are due You know treat them like treatment In the course of all this they undergo some processes in which we are able to extract some information from them This is what is expected in an organized country where you have systems that run automatically you know and seamlessly In a situation where we are all very important to you as a similar body These guys, their families have taken the rapes and brought them out Maybe they have their own drugs against the system and they are not ready to use them for food and so on If you were an agency what would they do? That is it Unfortunately now like the situation is even if a rescue or prison is to be carried out I cannot show you there will be a high quality of that because once you have failed to do your homework and your citizens are taken over there is nothing more left for you to do You either go for a rescue where you are ready to root up on the fence or you sit down and add a few negotiations for their release I think that is the option open to our government the way I see because the enemy have so fortified itself around the doctor because there is nothing to be done any attempts to bring down any of the guards around there you see yourself injuring some of your men at the end you are not able to get one quarter of them you have one of the states simple Is it right if some people say Nigeria is on the precipice of being a failed state some would say the state has already failed though I doubt that is the case but is it right for people to even bring up that suggestion that Nigeria is inching towards being a failed state Do you agree with people who say Nigeria is inching ever closer to becoming a failed state oh that Nigeria to become a failed state well I would say that with the evidence available of ground we are inching towards a failed state we are too big a method with a level of resilience that cannot really allow us to fall into a failed state but definitely we are doing serious calibration towards failed states Do you feel such meetings for instance the one held between the leadership of the National Assembly was on from 2pm till 7.30pm last night and the service chiefs the heads of the intelligence community the police head the NSCDC do you feel such a meeting security heads will yield any fruit any result coming out of this meeting we all hope because all sorts of security meetings have been held so what has been the result we continue to talk the talk when shall we walk the talk this is my problem it's like we are just speaking drama and exhibiting how much we think we know at this meeting but in action we see nothing can you count how many citizens in the state Mr. President has said are we not tired at this meeting we are in about this meeting personally I am not sure what is going on we are beginning to do plans for me breakfast lunch dinner for heaven's sake let's see results coming out of this these decisions are taking can go out there and it may be and in the case of the house it's unfortunate that we have never been blessed with a national assembly that has the people's interests at half the national assembly is now just waking up because Zofo Aram is at the address already they have run away for their six weeks research on or whatever it is how can you be going on a six week break when your front row is on fire it's unfortunate and you are giving the president six weeks of estimating and the men are with him and after two weeks we decide whether you are sending him out of that place or we we have a check with him we give him a six six month what's he called medical leave let him go and attend to his education so that somebody else can address the government we can come back two weeks to hand in over to the next government all these activities are that can be discussed with the president with the leadership of the house he'll sit down and discuss and propose it let the president take a six month leave after six months he comes back and hand him over to the next government we didn't have to do that on six months somebody who was taking over will now address the problem thank you very much for your time because of time constraints we have to keep it quality at this point you've said some important things for instance your question six week recess of the national assembly at this time when the nation is in the yes yes yes thank you very much Conor Hassan Stan Lambo as a security consultant and an analyst has been our guest on the breakfast this morning my name is Kofi Bartels I return tomorrow for the ultimate edition of the breakfast right here on Plus TV Africa please follow us on social media across all platforms at Plus TV Africa and of course on YouTube at Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa style from all of us here at Studios in Lagos thanks for your time good morning