 That should be flashing, so hi, I'm Ty, nice to meet you. So I got a hobby where I set up a table and talk to people about whatever they want to talk about. I think it's really cool to show that, you know, any two people can talk about anything regardless of the color, whatever, big size, how rich they look, doesn't matter. Normally the conversations that we have are really cool when they're centered around what someone really strongly believes or philosophy they have or something they wrap their lives around. If you want to talk about that, we can talk about Marvel movies or your favorite junk food. But is there anything that you really strongly believe is true or something you're confident about? Can I also fit something and ask your name again? Oh yeah, Jacob. Jacob, I'm Ty. Ty. Jacob. That's a big question. Um, well, I'd say I'm a Christian, so that's probably my biggest belief. Uh, there are a lot of beliefs in this room. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Would you just say like the Christian God exists, maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. In one God and that is a really heavy topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're a middle school class, by the way. Okay, yeah, yeah. How confident are you that Jesus and God exist? All right. I'd say 100%. 100%? Yeah. I wanted to find 100% and just let me know. Uh-huh. Is this a number? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can change the number. I don't care. But 100% to me is like no doubt. No doubt. There's no way I can be wrong. I'm not asking questions anymore. I'm certain close-minded on the position. I'm close on the position. 100%. Let's go 98%. 98%. Yeah, just, I mean, everybody has those periods of doubt, right? I think so. I think it's actually healthier to not be absolute about what you believe. What got you to the 98% confidence on this God and Jesus? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just going to combine the rules. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Or like on the existence of the Christian God. So I'm actually a medical student and I found a big interest in biology when I was in high school. There's like one big hypothesis out there called the RNA hypothesis. RNA world theory? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that because RNA can act as like a catalyst and also as a way to store information, biological information, that might have been what was initially used as protein and DNA. But like when they, do you know the Stanley Miller experiment? Yes. Yeah, yeah. They show that if you put like RNA and once you make it rapidly produce itself, it can make like a little tiny monsters of itself. Well, simplified versions of RNA. The one I'm thinking of is that they put a whole bunch of nucleotide, sorry for my interrupt. Well, you know, you're fine. I'm just, it's been a while since I've read it. So like they try to recreate the oceans of the earth and like this in this small environment and then they would like zap it with electricity. Sure. To kind of simulate the, simulate the environment and atmosphere of the earth four million years ago. Right. And they show that they can actually make some molecules that are essential to life, some amino acids. Right. And like urea, permutahyd, stuff like that. However the amino acids that they make are only like lysine and very simple, non-polar amino acids. They haven't shown that they can create more of the complex amino acids that are needed to sustain life and they also never showed that they could create DNA or RNA. Can I ask you, how does this get you to the God belief? Like how do these experiments lead to the 98% confidence in God? I just, I don't see a way of life spontaneously generating and I don't see a way if you, like if you were to talk to my astrophysics pal and if you talk to him, I cannot see a way of the world or the universe spontaneously generating. Jacob, can I ask you a question? Yeah. I'm wondering, so you have this, you have this theory that's presented in the scientific model and it sounds incredible and you say, that sounds, I can't see how that's feasible yet, therefore this, this is my other thing, how did, how did that, how is that your foundation? How did that become? I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that's my foundation, that's just like part of, or how does this being hard to believe make this 98% confident? Like how, how did that become the alternative at a 98% confidence level? Like was that the reason why you're 98%? I think that's just part of it and I think if you look into other parts of my faith, so like it's kind of hard to explain and I, it's kind of all feeling right from a skeptics point of view, there are some things in your life that you just kind of, you have a gut instinct. Gut instinct? That you, that you know it's true. Are gut instincts ever wrong? Oh, all the time. If they can be wrong all the time, does it justify supporting a 98% confidence? From a logical standpoint, no. What is getting you to that 98%? I'd say, so a belief in certain things in the Bible, so one of the big arguments in apologetics is why would 12 people who followed Jesus around heard what he said and then saw him die lie about him coming back to life only to, only to know that they were going to be persecuted and put to death for saying that. Does that get you to the 98%? That's kind of like the main thing, it's like the biology aspect and then that as well. I'm just going to test that as actually your main thing. I'm going to ask you a question. If it turned out, this is kind of weird and I'm, again I'm just stimulating conversation. If it turned out that there was substantial evidence to a criteria of your satisfaction they were in fact lying, would that reduce your confidence from 98% down to 70% maybe lower than that? Probably. Okay. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, go ahead. Say I had a, I don't know, I have a cat, I do have a cat and he's a really cute cat. His name's Vinny. Vinny. And I walk him on a leash and he's a black cat and he's super super cool. You walk your cat on a leash? I walk my like, so listen, so I used to walk overseas for a while, it's very common over there. Everyone's walking their cats around and America they keep them locked up indoors and like, that cat wants to be outside, that's why he's on the window. And if you leash train them really young, they're super super cool about it. But it's not so much the leash training, it's just, would you believe me if I told you I had a cat and I showed you a picture of the cat and like I'm holding the cat. Yeah, yeah. Okay. If I told you I actually have a tiger and his name is Marshall and he's a full blown, full blown, bangle tiger and I have a picture of him and it's me and the tiger. Would you believe I have a tiger then? It'd be tougher. It'd be harder to believe. Yeah. If I told you I had a purple dragon from Jupiter that came and visits me in a time machine and I had a picture of the purple dragon and there's like a DeLorean in the background and it's picture, it's the same picture. Would you believe that? I'd say it's Photoshop. It seems like the more incredible the claim, the better the standard of evidence or the standard of evidence improves. Would you say that God is more incredible than a purple dragon from Jupiter? I would, yeah. So the thing isn't so much that, I think the apologist angle is, hey, what's the likelihood of these 12 people lying, it's like maybe it's not even that they're lying, it's just that that's a really low bar of evidence. It's basically 12 people saying Tyrone has a cat, you'd believe that. Yeah. Tyrone has a tiger, 12 people say that. Maybe you'd believe it. Maybe not. 12 people told you, hey, Tyrone has a purple dragon from Jupiter, so I'm not believing that. You need more evidence to support that with. What if it is a case of not so much that they might be lying, but that just may not be enough evidence to reach that conclusion as a definitive claim for at least a 98% certainty that a God exists since it's way more incredible than a purple dragon? What do you think about that? Can you restate that question? Yeah, it's kind of a long question. Do you have enough evidence to justify 98% confidence in God? And if it's not on a 12 Apostle story, what else is getting you to that one? I'd say I can't answer that just right now. I'm totally fine with that. Can I throw one last one? Oh yeah, go ahead. If I had a coin, it's a quarter, it's not a trick coin. If I flip it and I catch it, put it on the back of my hand, I don't know if it's at your tails. Do you know if it's at your tails? No. That's the best answer. Yeah. Until we have that for evidence. Jacob. Wonderful talking to you. Nice talking to you. That was really cool. So explain to me what to do exactly again. Sure. Okay. So if you want, here's a card. I got a YouTube channel.