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You say that every time I don't understand it's like hey put a hidden camera in here I haven't figured out the bandit this chair never moves that camera never moves, but yet you have to come in here We locked the doors. I know I know you you blame you I think I think there's somebody coming in for it's like I think oh two things Doug what either you have a split personality Maybe I do or maybe I don't or There's a ghost. I've been saying this forever. Yeah, there's a ghost here. There's a we have a tech We have tech ghost in here Somebody died here a long time ago Adam. Yo Adam who knows They don't even know they don't they don't even know bro. Nobody. No, they don't even know. I'm telling you guys Shirts shirts are flying. I ate. I ate at oh there are yeah, yeah, of course, of course No, it was good. That was good. And you know what you got me the reason why it's good It's cuz it's true to be honest with you Adam, and I had no idea. Well, I wore my Viori gear today Oh, you have your it out too. Yeah, you're you're you're you're a let me give you your dirty head to toe Look at your stand up for a second. You're ready to run and stand up for almost now Hold on a second. Here's a problem. Sometimes sweats the butt doesn't look good Let's see the butt turn around lift the shirt a little bit. Where's the dog? That's a look. That's not bad Justin He's got a little bit. I know you pushed it out. Yes, the Instagram chick model. He's got cupcakes. I'm I'm on do it I can have full cakes. He doesn't have a full night. Yo, bro. I passed the barbell test. That's the test I know dude. That's true. We all did listen. There's there's cake and there's cupcakes Worked on it then there's pancake Third opinion the grass Did you know did you know there's a tribe? Where is this tribe? Oh, I want to say Turkistan Sometimes it's good there was this tribe I don't know where they're at, but they're like kind of modern hunter-gatherers and part of the ritual to improve the The fertility of the earth, right? So they want the earth to produce like bounty for them once a year The men go out. I swear to God. They dig holes and they fuck the earth and then they What Yes, they dig holes they dig holes and they make love mother earth all the gold guys go out Well, they dig holes and then they bang the earth They literally are playing and they seed and they seed it the seed I think you posted about this like a year or two ago of like I know I didn't post There is the ultimate hippie thing to do what there is like it There's like a term for these people that go around and like hump trees and stuff, right? Oh, yeah No, these are these are this is a tribe. This is part of their that's what they do Oh, this is different. No, this is not like a weirdo like oh, I like Isn't there like yes, what's it called? What do you call that like a just not a disorder like a disorder? They're just weird fetishes. Yeah, there you go fetish. Thank you. That's the word fetishes aren't disorders Yeah, it's like it but there are people that will be sexually attractive sex with dirt objects, right? No, no This tribe literally goes and does this to make the earth Produce more bounty for them. So they go bang it. What is your shirt say? Oh, you don't like this Pluto the center forget What does that say never forget bro 1930 okay? 1932 oh six would I don't go on bro when you were in school. What was Pluto never no explain to me What happened in 2006? No Pluto was a planet, right? Yeah, the ninth planet. Yeah, okay Then in 2006 NASA came out and said no, no, it's not a planet that was in 2006 my heart Yeah, wow that wasn't oh six wise. It's conspiracy. It's a conspiracy. I'm with you The thing is though I was done with school bring it back when they announced that uh-huh. We were done with school I don't learn in school. Yeah, I learned on Facebook That should be a t-shirt. I learned on Facebook. This is like an ode to our generation We were taught the next one. I'm gonna get gonna be like South famous. What do they consider it now I mean just like like some kind of part of the astral belt or whatever. I don't know. That's a good question Yeah, do they call it now? Yeah, I know it's tiny Pluto's like it's like a moon, right? It's like the size of a moon But I don't know it's gonna be weird when they find aliens on Pluto Who knows that's where they're coming from didn't one of our Exploring like aircraft Finally leave the solar system like we put out 1970 something and then it went out and it finally left the solar system, right? Am I right the Voyager? Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, dude We launched that shit in the 70s finally left us finally. It's like that long. That's how far it's still going though And we yeah, it's outside of our solar system now and we're tracking stuff. No, oh No, we just we I mean, I don't know if we're gonna receive messages from it anymore, but it's out We know it left the way Adam's always like scientists so mind-bending would you yeah, you try and think about here comes that how do they really know though? We sent it out we have no contact with it, but we found out that it just left No, I think it did it is sending signals and we know what left the other solar system Okay, so obviously we're in communication with some I feel like you're not very confident when you talk about this No, I'm sure it's true. We can look that up too. So Pluto's a dwarf planet. That's what they call it Oh dwarf planet. It's full of dwarfs It's a real akibla Cool, that's good to know I'm so mad at you what happened here's a you know Listeners this is what drives me crazy about Sal right here I give if I give him something to read to watch anything like it you have to trick him Into watching or reading anything like dog Because yeah, I've noticed that too yeah So what you do is you you send like a message to me in the group thread So he sees it and you say like hey make sure Sal doesn't watch this doesn't watch it Yeah, make sure sound doesn't watch this. This is our insight thing. Yeah, we have to do reverse psychology Listen, bro, I Attention, okay, hold on a second first of all I got a baby at home The excuse and I get into shit So I might have been in the middle of reading some random shit when you sent that and I can't until I finish right finish Yeah, but here's the thing though. Okay, so I like the the Economist thing that I sent over to you guys to listen to it Korea I know and what does it do it creates good dialogue that we can all discuss because we watched it where now You don't get to be a part of this conversation because why did everybody have an A and B conversation did everybody watch Wall Street? Yeah, everybody wants to hold up what one episode two episodes three. Oh, you watch three episodes. I watched most of one I couldn't really engaging you sent the text at like 8 30 and I can't know I told you guys the day before I reminded you again Yeah, that's reminder came I know how to keep reminding you because I watched the whole thing right so over the last three days So I got to the part where it was nowhere. You'll get the first episode. Yeah, so yeah about what you know right now So by the way, so if you haven't seen Wall Street and spelled with like Wahlberg's name wh a whl Street, it's I someone had told me to watch before I was like me and it didn't really appeal to me I'm not really into like following celebrities lies. Just not my thing. Mm-hmm, but he's handsome said about Justin Bieber Yeah, yeah, yes. Yes. Yes. Uh, no what what I what I really liked about it was it really was just all about his startups Mm-hmm. I mean the whole thing is he's got I think eight eight or nine Now does it show what did you get a chance to watch it or no? I watched the first episode. Yeah, did you like it? I figured you liked it. Yeah, I just have to sign up for was that HBO max. Oh, you're not signed up Yeah, okay, so just borrow Adam. You gotta make the leap use Adam's passcode. So So he So the whole thing is about that and and why you wanted to get you to at least like three or four because I think Justin is right. We're the pandemic hits, right? Yeah, right. So Wahlberg has got got in his how many of his businesses tank because of that Well, that's what it's interesting So he's got the restaurant which by the way, okay, how much how shitty is this we keep so funny, right? We were talking trash about oh, okay I'm gonna bounce all over the place right here because you guys just reminded me of stuff f45 I got a DM from somebody who worked for them. Mm-hmm, and it was like dude I'm so disappointed in you and your analysis of f45 and I said well I only have so much information because I Unlike orange theory which I worked at for two years So I have intimate knowledge of how the company operates and exactly all kinds of information about so I don't mind You know talking shit about him because I can back it up. I don't have that much detail about f45 I know a little I know people that worked there and have given me you know what the workouts look like Yeah, yeah very vague, but he's like no you like me. He's like it is worse than orange theory Oh, wow here. Here's what I did not know they do that. I cannot believe I mean brilliant business strategy here Terrible for as far as service. So they have a virtual trainer That is getting videoed and is teaching the classes on TVs in the in there And then the one trainer, but like multiple locations in class. Yes, okay, and that's like and let's say it's I don't know this But let's say it's an awesome trainer really whatever whatever Then the one person or people they have in the studio does not have to be a personal trainer They're basically forget I forget what the title he gives the motivator. Yes. It's like no So there's not even wow accountability and biomechanics or you're not going around like watching you know Reminds me of it reminds me of how the massage places took advantage of the law where the massage Places said if there's one certified massage therapist, right? There could be like like an unlimited supply of trainees under that person so long as they're in the same room That's right They can massage so now you go get the foot massage and it's a bunch of people massaging people for 20 bucks And you can get around the law this does the same thing because it's brilliant You have a certified trainer, but they're on virtual and they're teaching all these class now You don't need 10 you don't know which is expensive you need one Oh, well this is a motivator Just one of one of orange theories biggest overheads that they have and this again This because I have intimate knowledge of this business not as much as that 45 But I can speculate now on how much money they save because you know that was one of things that attracted me to OTF was that I was blown away as a you know as a group training Trainer that you could make like 70 to 90 dollars an hour and heard of for good Yeah, and even higher like if you actually started hitting like where I was like overfilled in classes because you get like yeah They're paying their trainers. Well. Yeah, I was up to over a hundred bucks an hour That's your group training group training that was already like mapped out for you I mean that was that's high and so you figure if you got eight classes a day You got eight hundred dollars in trainer fees that you're paying every day a day right per per facility multiply that by Now at 45 has this I mean brilliant on their part to be one trainer. You're paying that money They they shoot it out They cast and they might even be able to pay the person 200 bucks an hour still saving a ton of money Yeah, more right you could probably you probably pick five awesome trainers pay them all super premium 5,000 people. That's right Wow, I know but it's cringe worthy It is cringe worthy and he taught and the other thing he told me was that it's it's even more cardio-based than orange theory It's just yeah cotton goes the weights don't from what I saw on Wall Street. That's what it looked like It looked like they were just going exercise exercise exercise exercise. Yeah, so it's just cardio with yes stuff. Yeah Yeah, and it's interesting. I actually I'm glad to like Courtney was watching it with me And it's it's always hard for me to bring up business with her and like really like You know be able to describe a lot of like what the conversations are like that we have all the time You know with partners and just with struggles of being an entrepreneur and all these types of things And so I enjoyed the show mainly for that because he's like he's totally putting himself out there all these different moves He's making like the hard conversations where they're like ripping his business a new one and he's sitting there at the board You know taking their advice and it's like really valuable because you know that criticism is gonna help him steer back into You know a better direction and it's like you need people like that to really give you like honest truth I think it's crazy what he's doing, right? So he's One is a an apparel line, which we we have our feelings about a municipal Yeah, and you can really see how how difficult that is and as they portray it Oh, I mean you guys have heard me on the podcast So I mean I for the audience that doesn't know this I've tried to start three apparel lines in my lifetime and failed at all of them Right and the irony is that you know the most successful Apparel line that I've ever had is mine pump and it's only by proxy to be what we've the success that we've had Because I was thinking about you through that whole thing because like it's funny because he's like like the youngest of nine Nine people in his family and so his whole struggle He'd have like a pair of shoes that he's trying to keep super nice on the surface But on the bottom he's trying to rip him up because he wants a new pair because he's like the ninth kid Yeah, you know, it's like I just remember like some stories of what you'd had to like make cool Yeah, you know like what you're wearing and so it's like I always wanted an apparel So I So I could totally connect with him on many levels like right the passion to want to do that But I've also learned the hard way already like what a bad idea trying to start an apparel line I mean the truth is and and and I'm Wohlberg is the same way. He's not a Fashion designers a guy who's into fashion like myself, but I'm I don't I have no business designing something and He has just gone out and just hired all these people to do it people that he likes which in hopes and then hopefully with his Amount of you know publicity with his notoriety. Yeah, you know, hopefully that's like a winning strategy, right? If you have a lot of notoriety then you partner with the business person and then you use your notoriety the business But it just goes to show you though how unbelievably difficult it still is even a guy as famous as Mark Wohlberg Struggling to get this thing off the ground and running and then of course the pandemic hits and that totally screws everything So there's one one business idea that I don't like that he's that he's doing the second one Okay, if you guys I think you one of you has family that is in the restaurant business I do okay the restaurant business I have friends that are in the restaurant one of the hardest businesses to start I would never do it. Yeah now this motherfucker doesn't just start a business He decides I'm gonna start a franchise which okay normally the progression for normal people that aren't famous and have the one Yeah, you do one you then by the way going to two and three is one of the hardest things to do to Duplicating it to make that culture, you know, that's right Yeah, that's exactly why because it's it's it's one thing okay to build a successful restaurant or any business for that matter And and do really well with it But you have is the owner or the creator you have all your hands on it then to replicate that is extremely difficult Totally so number two and number three are always we hard now Let's say you you you crush one you crush to you crush three now Maybe you're in the discussion of week and by the way that arch looks like five to ten years of getting there Then you go okay, maybe we'll do a franchise mark decides. I'm gonna build a franchise burger joint right out the gate Now am I not mistaken? I think like didn't they wrap a TV show around it. They didn't they did yes Yeah, so I mean obviously that's gonna help that's more the yeah That's very I think they made some good decisions in that regard but again to his strengths I think in terms of like the entertainment the film the documentary of the whole thing I think he's doing the best job in that direction. Oh, I agree So that he has like eight companies The old and I told Katrina as we're watching I'm like hate that idea hate that idea terrible idea Love that the thing that I think he's doing the best in and I think where I would if I'm him I'm putting most of my energy is in movies and production and he decided his own production company That's his space and you know what he produced what mcmillions mcmillions I'm incredible. That was his first one home run, right? So that's the first and only one that he's produced so far and they crushed and he didn't he also produced entourage like Write it or I know he's I know part of it. Yeah, I know he's part of it And that wasn't part of his production company. Maybe that's what gave him the idea to start his own You know what I noticed so I only watched uh, I don't know 40 minutes of the first episode I noticed he always works out with gloves You guys notice that? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Why is he working out? I didn't catch that but they're not even weightlifting gloves. They're like they're like golfers I'm so glad you hit that because the the guy I should shout this kid out and see if I can find his his thing right here Because he did he sent me a long old dm And it made me laugh because first he was roasting me for not tearing into f45 And then the way he ended the dm was a long old dm like talking shit all about four He's like and then to top it off Wohlberg wears fucking gloves when he works out, bro Dude I started dying. Remember I was like that's such a great slide. Remember seeing all the dudes with gardening gloves That was that was a thing for I don't get it. I don't get it So I used to work out for a short period of time. I worked out in the the mesh fingerless Rocky Balboa, okay, and that's okay. Listen. I had a stint where I did like a year of that Listen, I watched rocky. I identified with the dude. I'm like this is cool In the 90s that was a did you have a little rubber ball that you just I Absolutely did and I brought to school and I bounced it around. Yes. This is I did that for a second So I worked out gloves for a second. You know what I found out. I'm much better without gloves I'm connected to the weight. Yeah, plus I don't want baby hands Like calluses are cool. Yeah, like it's fine. You're okay You know why I realized this because then I go help my dad in construction I go lift something and I oh my hands are I mean you'd look at me like You disgrace, you know what I mean? My hands are weak. Sorry dad It's because I wear gloves. Yeah, so I took the gloves off. No Yeah, then okay. So there's there's those businesses then then f45. So the f45 thing I thought was really interesting. So what is it? What is f45 stand for fitness? What's 45? I have no idea. Yeah, I would like to know that first. I have no idea. Um, the average age of the member What is it? I don't know 45 minutes. Maybe 45 minutes. That would be the guess. I bet it's 45 Yeah, that's a good that's good. That'd be my guess. Yeah, but it's like 15 minutes of warm-up And then they probably or cool down and they do 45 minutes of exercise. That sounds about right. I know I'm sure that's a gimmick Uh, what is it 45 means? Boom hit that one functional 45 minutes. Yeah. Oh, yeah, so clever. So you could open an f30 and crush them Never a 10 minute something about mary. Yeah. Yeah Six minutes You could do five minutes. So he The way it starts off is he is Negotiating with them like to work out a partnership. He does their class Falls in love with it. And by the way, okay, this is another fault of his lack of self-awareness that he doesn't see He is the typical person. We just talked about this on the podcast the other day The type of person that is attracted to the the cortisol junkie. Oh, yeah He is a grinder. This dude is working 12 plus hours. Of course He's driven to high-intensity hard drive and it never in his mind It's just this is when you don't have experience coaching normal people Does it cross his mind that you or an anomaly, dude? You or somebody you or somebody that may actually do this way of working out For the rest of your life because you're attracted to that way of training for the rest of the population This is not conducive. And so he never makes that connection decides. He's going to partner up with f45 He's in negotiations for months And right when he like locks it in and they decide to do it Then the pandemic the pandemic hits. Yeah, that's right. Where I'm at and they're all locked. They're all locked up That's terrible. So I don't know I noticed that in the first episode the owner of the one he works out at Wasn't a fitness guy at all and then the owner of the supplement company that he works with Is in a fitness guy, you know, one of the one of the for me one of the hallmarks of a fitness fad Getting ready to crash is when non-fitness people jump in. Yeah, I remember when this happened with curves Curves was blowing up and I remember I was looking into buying one. I'm like, this is the fastest growing franchise What's this all about and I went in and I met some of these franchise owners and they didn't none of them worked out I'm like, oh, okay. I mean, there's there's some truth to that right like right now We're talking about something here some behind the scenes stuff for the audience We are looking for Somebody to come in on like a internship. In fact, we're talking to someone who we're potentially going to start in the next couple weeks To give them the opportunity to take our apparel and actually Turn it into what it's what it potentially can be right and I just got out of a meeting right now with Katrina and Chokey and they're they're they're wanting to hear my expectations of what I want I said, well, I'm not looking for somebody who's going to come in and just Take the responsibility of like the three of us that have been managing it and just do the same thing And so and I know and I told Katrina and Chokey I said I saw you guys are looking for what you guys are looking for is somebody who is you know fashionable and post well on Instagram and like like subparo and is into that stuff. I'm not interested in someone like that So the person that you guys think is going to take this I'm really intrigued if you they're gonna be able to What I want is I don't care if this person has any fashion Or is connected at that at all I want somebody who understands at a scale of company because we already have an incredibly large base for them It's already a successful business already I'm looking for somebody to take it to the stratosphere And that and we need somebody who knows how to do that and that is like nurturing and value building and scaling email marketing totally totally totally different I don't give a shit if you know anything about apparel. I don't like I really like I because we're already there Yeah, we've already got the that's right And that's not surface there and that's not to say that there's there wouldn't be value in that So that's me just kind of challenging that point that like you don't necessarily always need A fitness person to be running a fitness company so long as you are surrounded around The right people that are kind of mentoring you in that situation in some ways. Yes, but fitness is you guys know As well as I do it's not a business like any other business in the sense that you could take and run Successful look look at the people that ran home depot that came to 24 or circuit city or all these other Like it's not a numbers game disconnect in the same way like a gym You could I used to do this all time They put me in a gym and I increased their revenue by 50% in a month No different staff. There was no different marketing. It was all in the atmosphere and culture of the club I ran gyms that were buildings ceilings breaking down the pools broken and we would crush because of the team That isn't that's not the same I know I'm searching for an example That I can compare You know what it's like to scale a fitness business in comparison of things because I've had the opportunity It's hard to find it. There's nothing like it No Because and what I when I look at like, you know the success that you had in operating clubs and and all of us had running clubs The thing that I that I can say that we had all in common even though we're very different Is it's a it's very much so a people business And and the culture even though culture is important in every business It's it's a whole different monster within us because the You rely so heavily on a emotion and and the motivation and the keeping the people coming back Where another business you can look at like purely like analytics. I'd be like, oh these margins are off here looking at it Like products. Yes, because here's what happened with I mean, this is a classic story. It's happened to 24 fitness people. I was in a meeting I remember some of these meetings on one of the top managers and I'd be in these meetings And these people came in from other large companies very successful And they'd say things like okay 24 fitness has the most clubs. We got more clubs than anybody. We got great equipment Nobody could beat us on on those two things. All we need to do Is have the best prices people don't care about anything else Stop giving them a tour stop asking about their goals. Here's all you need to do Show them the best price and then we'll win and I remember being in this in this meeting thinking Okay, this is it's almost time for me to leave now because this is and I remember get them in I remember my district manager who's a fitness guy if he looked at me and he says I have a question He looks at me and he goes Uh, and he looks at the guy and he goes how many Memberships have you sold how many gyms have you worked and he goes none? And he goes what about you sell I said, I don't know thousands He goes I'll trust him over you because this is very different people aren't buying shit when they buy a membership They're buying a dream. They're not come back. They don't even come back for the equipment People don't care about I know they say they care about the equipment They actually don't care. I've run clubs that crushed In comparison to clubs that were close to us. Yeah way worse equipment way like Way less amenities all that stuff. It's all about the the culture. I mean you're in capital mckay For god's sake retention is so much more important in this business. You know, maybe maybe okay Maybe I can maybe it can draw a parallel the thing that comes to mind. That's closest is like a bar Right, there's you can get alcohol anywhere. You can buy alcohol at discounted price or something. What what makes a little pub Yes, like a pub. Yeah crush over the pub. That's actually right next door or three It's the it's the environment the culture the feeling much of the social aspect, right? Because I mean they all serve the same alcohol in fact Jack Daniels here there That's right And you could save even more money by going to Costco and buying the alcohol So it's you are going there for the experience and that is why people show up to gyms Yes, you want good trainers. Yes, you need to have equipment. Yes being clean Those are all the things that are important and help just like you having a pub that has You know nice bar stools and clean bathrooms. Like yeah, that shit matters But really I mean I've gone to I remember my favorite pub that I used to go to had Disgusting bathrooms, but it didn't matter because the I love going there and sitting at the bar Because the bartenders that would interact with me and became friends and I knew the people that were there It's that environment. That's what drew me in and kept me coming And that's why fitness is not a like a business that you could look at and say oh It's working over here. All I have to do is plug it in And it's going to be successful in some cases. I could see that working But that's when the fat is at its peak, right? So when the fat when the fat starts to fall like they all do The people that survive are the fitness people not the people that went in and just looked at the numbers and said This business makes sense. Yeah, and there's so, you know, I feel like we're picking on poor mark woolberg here He you know it back to his apparel a municipal wears gloves I'm so glad you brought that up because that's exactly what the dm says all full finger gloves Yeah, not even not even the tip stick out Nothing's touching the weights What are you doing? So, you know, uh the municipal right so like let's take fiori for example like why did fiori Do so well, you know, you had somebody like joe who what not only was he passionate about fish Uh fashion he had the right connections with Making a clothing line and most importantly He filled a gap at a need in the market Yeah, but the athleisure wear market was Skyrocketing at the time and it was catering to women made it what lululemon. Yeah lululemon dominated that space It was completely targeted to to women very very little market towards men there And he saw this huge opportunity of okay. Here's a rising market right now in athleisure wear Which didn't exist just a decade before nobody is serving to men very well I this is my this is my that when I see municipal Cool stuff he went out and he and he's having it designed all really. Yeah, but he's competing in a very busy Yeah, he's competing against under armor. He's competing against lulule and fiori now It's just like and you're relying a hundred percent on you've got enough capital money to go hire the right people And you are famous enough in a big enough brand that hopefully now that definitely can help right that can definitely help But without all the other stuff that's going to be rough. Well, so this is what this is why I'm so intrigued by this show because There's a chance and this just goes to show you like you know technically wallberg burgers the apparel F45 all three of these I believe should fail I believe if I even one of us was running it decided to come out the idea You would run out of money or you would run in the red so long you would you would eventually walk away with it but Because of his tenacity which I love and his you know willingness to figure it out Like whatever no fail type of attitude and his has is willing to delegate to and bring on his connections and his reach And he may be able to turn all of these around and so that's what I'm most interested to see is like Well, you're rooting for him. I am. Yeah, I like him. I like him and I want to see him He seems like a genuine person Well, what I like about it, too It's just yeah, it humanizes it a lot like the whole celebrity thing Like because he's a massive like a list star like he doesn't need to be doing all these things But like you see like the real struggles through the whole thing all these businesses are real businesses have Like lots of problems. It doesn't just work like like easy because you have celebrity behind it No, no business just works. Yeah, but people think that people perceive a business if you got oh, I got you know The rock to endorse this it's kind of fucking explode and and you know, it just doesn't work like that No, dude, I was having this conversation yesterday with with scott. We were talking about business and entrepreneurship And I'm like he goes, you know, we were talking about entrepreneurs. I said Entrepreneurs the only people that will work 80 hours a week to avoid working 40 and this is a true This is a true statement, you know, and I think if people enter entrepreneurship with the false understanding like they think freedom Oh man, oh way less work and you're gonna make more but you enjoy your work more It is it is a passion driven thing and if you crush you get to that point But there's a lot of eating shit you eat shit for years before you get that and you fail you feel often Well, and there's there's a very much so a reality that you may never get there But you may at least create enough freedom of that I own this I make a living off of it And that because that's the real first of all the 80 chance you fail Then if you fall in even the 20 chance of being successful successful can also be just taking care of yourself Taking care of yourself and having the freedom of it coming and going as you please because it's your business Right, but the likelihood of you actually crushing and then going out there and competing now You know, what's funny what's funny is that this here's how you know You're kind of you're made to be an entrepreneur If you're listening to the you're gonna probably fail And if you do say you're not and you're listening and you get excited. Yeah, you're probably an entrepreneur Because that should just makes me excited Exactly now if you're listening going oh man, that sucks. I don't think No, I think that's a characteristic that you should I mean, there's a lot of people that consider like should I go do my own thing? Like if it doesn't excite you that the odds are stacked against you You probably shouldn't do it and and if it does excite you you're probably meant to do something like that I love I for the longest time I've that was I've always loved being the underdog I've always loved being told I can't like let me prove you Actually being on the top is boring in my opinion It's it's not as exciting as when you're the person that people are doubting Personally, I'm almost like when I get to the top I find something else to be the bottom end because it kind of gets a little boring because you want to keep promoting growth Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely speaking of experiences. I've been mean to ask you you and Doug went to get physical Yeah, and you said you had a crazy experience. Yeah, but I want to hear what happened I know I forgot to bring this up in the last podcast. Yeah, we uh, so We were getting our checkups and we went to this place. It was like it wasn't like a big hospital or anything Just one of those like little dock in the box places And so we're kind of waiting out. We had to wait outside. There was somebody in there already a family and We're just kind of like talking to and our thing all of a sudden we hear like this like crazy gut-wrenching screaming like just like A child a child was screaming. It was like probably like 11 12. You'd say Doug something about right Yeah, this this tall like this indian family and uh, this this poor kid. Oh my god, so he He was like literally like reaching for things in there like Like like they were like torturing him or something inside the doctor's office inside the doctor's office started grabbing Uh, some of some of the like the the pamphlets the flyers the things hanging on the door It was like shredding them to bits like what was knocking things off the table Bust open the door like runs out Oh my god, do we need to like intervene like what's happening in there, you know Yeah, and so he it just didn't stop there, dude He's running around the parking lot He gets in the car the parents finally kind of get him into the car And then the kid's just like kind of like rocking and then all of a sudden bust open the door and he's like Runs again And i'm like, oh my god, and then and then it doesn't stop there So that so then you know, they come out they're apologizing, you know to to everybody and all this stuff and i'm like, oh my god This is crazy like he he then like I think the dad was in there like trying to wrap up with whatever he had to sign off and then You know, they get the kid the kid gets out again And he's looking around and then he sees like me and Doug and he's just like looking at us and he's just like So it's reaching and then he he reaches and he grabs Doug's arm and he's like like like take me with you You know, yes, no this didn't happen just once it happened I think two or three times What he made a beeline over for me and he was looking at me with these eyes. It said save me Oh my god, bro, but he couldn't verbalize it. Did you guys call the police? Like what happened? Well, here's the thing so it looked like it was his family Yeah, and he also didn't look like Well, I mean it looked like his family number one, but A little white kid to Indian parents It matched, it was a match But but yeah, so So we knew that like like there was some kind of developmental thing We suspected he had something going on I would imagine he was on the spectrum, right? I mean autistic or something So, yeah, so that's exactly what was going on. He was autistic and and I I'm assuming he got a shot You know and then thought that like everybody was like he didn't trust his parents. He didn't trust anybody That makes sense. He was raging and it was so heartbreaking, you know, because we were just like, oh my god I just want to hug the kid, you know, baby. It's okay, man. It's okay, buddy. You know, he just he was just Oh my god, what a wild experience. It was it was terrifying and then they looked at you guys and like, all right, you're next Yeah I was like, I don't want to have whatever he just had Can I have the other shot dude? I feel so bad. I know I mean I have I have friends who have Children on the spectrum and it could be very challenging like one of them If you change their routine just a little bit like their routine has to be exactly the same every day And if you change it just a bit There's just this insane meltdown and so it's a challenge. Oh my god It made me it made me I was driving home thinking about and everything I just couldn't even imagine like what the parents like because I'm not I'm sure that's not the only time that's happened You know, or they're just like trying to explain to people around the the you know, the scene the situation of what's going on You know what what's happening? That must be so difficult like life for them is something else My heart was out to them. Well, bless parents who have children with with needs like that It's just it's very very challenging and I can't even because you know, you love your kid Yeah, I mean shit didn't matter. I love my kids no matter what right? So you'll just you'll die for them right a boy with a sacrifice But it was like man do what do we like we're like just innocent bystanders like what do we do now your instinct right your instinct is Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna have this kid. Yeah Yeah Like what are they doing in there, dude? He's my son shaking people off. That's probably a pretty good assessment though Right autistic kid. He probably just got a shot because he came out of that right there in the doctor's office And also he screams bloody murder then all of a sudden he starts acting out like I bet you And that's how you probably feel as a kid, right? Like your parents like betrayed you. Yes, you know, I saw it in his eyes Yeah, yeah, it was just like I mean That's like I'll never forget the first shot that I had maximus kid the first time even as a baby Yeah, even as a baby. I mean that ripped my heart out. I remember you looked at you like yeah Like yeah, because you know, you're distracting him and like talking doing this and that and then also he gets a shot And then he like eyes just start watering and looks at you like, oh my god Dude till this day this like you betray him till this day it haunts me when I when my son went to his first day of school I remember building it up the fingers. Oh, bro. I'm building it up and oh, you're so brave, buddy There's your baby brave, right? You're not gonna cry. Oh, yeah, but but I'm brave I can't wait to go to school Then we go there and he's not leaving me at all and then the teacher's like, all right parents You got to go so I'm like, okay, buddy And he grabs and cleans on to my shirt Yeah, and the teacher literally was pulling him away from me and had to peel his little hands off And he's looking at me like father Why have you left me? Why would you do this to me? And I left and I walked into my studio This one had my studio and I remember my clients were waiting for me and they saw me And I walked right by them into the bathroom because I was starting to tear up And they come out like what happened First day of school Oh, I get it. Oh, it's terrible. Speaking of craziness. Did you guys hear this? Okay, so we know that the the recall is happening for Gavin Newsom here in california, right? Yeah, okay Did it pass? Have you? That's gonna be on the ballot pretty much. So there's gonna be a recall, right? So now we have to vote to kick him out and replace him with someone else Yes, who is just announced that they're gonna run on the republican ticket Are we gonna like it? Caitlyn Jenner Republicans well first off she's been a republican. Yeah, I knew that Okay, but I didn't know that. Yes. Yes. I remember I watched the roast of somebody on comedy central And yeah, and then they brought that up too. It was like, oh, really? She's running as a republican to beat uh to get Gavin Newsom out Now here's my theory on the whole thing because I see some like this sounds crazy Yeah, this sounds like here's what I'm thinking I'm thinking this is a ploy by the democrats to split the vote to keep Gavin in office Because a lot of democrats are mad at Gavin a lot of like old-school democrats are like ready to get him out They're ready to vote for another person, but they don't want to vote for a republican, but Caitlyn Jenner Kardashian, you know Transgender kind of liberal ish I'm gonna vote for them and then the other people gonna vote for the other republican that's gonna split the vote Yeah, Gavin. They're not gonna get enough votes to win Gavin gets to stay in office That's my that's my I feel like it would split the democrat vote more I feel like there'd be democrats that would consider there has to be enough votes to kick them out So so so if there isn't enough votes, he stays in and it can only one person Run against him can no multiple people. Okay. So he's gonna be I think it's been Caitlyn there's gonna be another republican or whatever and Caitlyn is now there are some people are saying Caitlyn could potentially win right because it's the one republican that would actually attract enough democrats To vote for that's what I was thinking. I think it's more like the democrats are in the back going Oh, yeah, this is gonna be great because it's gonna split the vote Make sure Gavin say because remember Gavin is like he was like the sweetheart of the democrat party He was supposed to be first california Next you're up and coming for president good-looking young right slick whatever And if he gets kicked out, that's it. Terrible. He gets kicked out. He is a slime ball. He is really a snake He's not making president. Well, he's got well. They wanted him to They were grooming him and if if he gets kicked out if he gets recalled that's it His political career is over. So they're like hail mary trying to fix this whole thing Is that the normal progression is to go to like california or new york? And then you end up being like one of the not necessarily But if you're a governor of the most populated state in uh in the in the country You are he's already kind of a celebrity. He's one of the well more well-known Governors, he's also got the look right He's kind of good looking and he's got the nice suits and odd stuff And he's got a little bit of charisma He's young. He's not like super old like, you know, grandpa biden or whatever That's the guy that they're like, oh, he's gonna be on the you know, the next he's gonna on the roster He's on the he's all he's ready to come in next, but if he gets kicked out That's it. That's my theory. My theory is that they're behind the scenes are like hell. Yeah I still I think the rock is coming. That's what you're gonna see next. Uh, he would crush rock He is yeah. No, he's he's already been doing stuff. He's already been doing stuff. He would he would crush How would you beat him? He's the most likeable person in the world I know that's why I think he's why would he want to do it? That's what I power bro. Come on when you get that much money The only thing that's already on top when you make that much money Okay, the only other thing that's interesting to you, especially if you're not a religious person You're gonna is power dude. You know I'm saying like you already made all the money. He's already got all the money, right? Uh, I don't see him doing a lot of yoga. So I think he's gonna go the direction of power Well, Arnold, you know kind of set the stage for that, didn't he now before that was reagan Reagan was an actor, but he wasn't like a huge actor like Like Arnold was and Arnold remember he was a he was a he's a last republican governor back of of california Um, Arnold if he could run for president He would I think he would have um, he can't because he's a natural born citizen, right? But if he could He literally exemplifies the american dream if you like what the american dream means and he's and he's uh He's not like a hardcore republic. He is not at all. He was he's like he's like a liberal conservative Yes, he was married to a canady super connected to the old school. Yeah He's the celebrity so he's in hollywood. Yeah, type of deal and Arnold smart, right? He knows how to play that game or whatever How many republicans are gonna be running for this like that has me worried now like because if everybody's voting in a different direction And and and then that doesn't like pass through Well, what the party will need to do is get behind one person, you know, and so is that going to be kaitlyn? I don't know. But I mean it'll be great I would have mine. I tell you what I look. I don't know Anything's better than gavin. Yes, anything. I don't know her I don't know her policies. That would be better than gavin. I don't know the policies that much All I know is that he's in the Kardashian family, which is negative 50 points for me. However, right kaitlyn's like We have too many taxes and too many regulations and I was like, oh, I kind of like that. Yeah, that sounds good So so far you got you got my attention. Yeah, kaitlyn You already got woman of the year. Can you win this too? You do better? Yeah Let's see what happens. Yeah, anyway. Hey, so earlier. I wanted to bring this up on the podcast I thought this was a really good point. We've talked about this a little bit But I think it's something to to hammer home. So I was on I was on Rich Gaspari and uh, john romano's podcast this morning And they were interviewing me about the book and about resistance training And then we were talking about the rebound effect From when you stop exercise, right? So if you're working out and then you stop You you can expect to lose some of the progress that you made and the longer you stop the more the progress you lose, right? So you'll lose your performance. You may gain some body fat all that stuff. Yeah, and we were comparing The rebound effect from stopping resistance training to the rebound effect from stopping cardio So let's say cardio is your primary source of exercise Versus resistance training be your primary form of exercise and you stop them both for a month Which one results in a greater fat loss in a harder position when you come back? Cardio, of course, absolutely and in the point being with the cardio You're manually burning the calories yourself with the resistance training. You sped up your metabolism But here's the other part resistance training builds muscle muscle memory sticks around It leaves a it literally leaves a memory of your fitness and the to get your fitness back is much faster With resistance training Here's the other part cardio the the returns on cardio begin to diminish way quicker too So let's say you haven't done any cardio for let me say six months or longer And you know day one you go out for your run, you know like for sure burn a ton of calories because it's extremely difficult But the body adapts to cardio really quick So within two or three weeks you'd be surprised how fast you could get back up to your your you know Mild time or whatever it is that you use to gauge like I'm back in cardio shape And along that comes with that is the returns because it doesn't have all the other benefits like building muscle does as far as metabolism Boosting all you get is the benefits of burning calories. The body gets efficient at it within two weeks Yes So you're burning the calories manually and in resistance training the fat loss effects come from this kind of secondary effects of building strength And they compound and they compound and speeding up your metabolism If you lose my let's say it takes you 10 years to gain 30 pounds of muscle And then you stop working out for six months and lose it all You'll gain those 30 pounds back in probably six months It might have taken you 10 years to gain it the first time when you lose it and gain it back Really fast. It's ridiculously fast muscle memory. It's beautiful Resistance training gives you that muscle memory in a very different way than other forms of exercise So it's it's the closest you can get to permanent results There's no such thing as permanent results, but it's the closest you can get with a form of exercise I wanted to make that point because as I was talking to them like man, this is something This is a great selling point for resistance training so many selling points But this is a great one because the average person stops working out at some point for a little while or Misses a few weeks and they always worry about am I going to totally get out of shape? Well, that's what's so frustrating about that's why it feels like such a grind because it is like if you're approaching it as like The determiner for you to lose fat is always I have to have my cardio You know and I have to make sure I'm keeping burning. It's it's it's a losing race. Yep. Totally I tell you guys that I'm thinking about dabbling in the carnivore diet for a while. Oh really? Yeah Now you do why what do you notice? Did you see did you see? Paul Saladino's post just like two days ago. Oh, yeah with the guy with his legs. Yeah Yeah, yeah, so my my syrup. Well, that's like the worst part is my psoriasis on my on my shin, right? So it was no it's nowhere near as bad as him. Um, it's like it's affecting your calves It is actually it's eating it's eating. That's exactly my problem eating your gains not my fault that I have small cows It's the psoriasis has been eating. Sorry. I gotta I gotta put some heat on you because of the body image. Shit I've been getting on you too And then Adam's in the comments my chest Adam is literally calm. I saw a comment. It's like Adam You know sal has narrow shoulders or stuff and I'm like what an add and I'm like it's Adam You're switching you guys. So anyway, you're still in the fire. So you're trying to do this to see So, I know I by the way, I haven't committed to it yet. I'm like I'm going back I'm part of me saying it to you guys is wondering if I should and At least for a month. That's my so that's what I thought. Okay. I thought I could commit to 30 I can do anything for 30 days, right? Yeah, because I to be honest with you I really have no desire to do it because I know that I would never follow that diet long time But if it did clear up my psoriasis as well as much as it cleared up this guy's psoriasis That he was posting about and then I slowly started to introduce to figure out what the hell Yeah, to figure out what is the the big offender on me Um, you know that that could be extremely valuable, right? So because I never thought it was vegetables But it could possibly be I mean I could be there could be something like asparagus Which I eat a lot of or spinach, which I love eating all time and it just it doesn't and this is what I I love about things like the carnivore diet or elimination diet because You know here you have someone like myself who is you know for the most part, you know eliminated gluten I've got my dairy in check. I've minimized my sugar and I've done all these things But all of them had I've had an effect. Yeah, and all of them have definitely helped right But I've not like completely suppressed or got rid of my psoriasis It's still and it still definitely has its moments where it kind of flares up And so what I haven't teased out is kind of some healthy foods Is some or what I would consider healthy, right? So like, you know, I eat a lot of avocado I eat a lot of spinach a lot of asparagus things that most people Would deem healthy and probably not causing any sort of gut inflammation to do that But maybe it is you definitely have to up your butcher box order I'll say that right. I know well you that a part of why I was bringing that up was to ask you like You know, you're the only one that's ran the carnivore diet and done it like the most consistently like What is what did your butcher box order look like and you almost had to like triple the order because Again, I was still eating too low of calories calories. That's what I'm concerned about. Yeah, that's that's the big concern Because you get so satiated I could I'd be hard to eat more than a couple thousand How would you eat brown meat actually helped a bit so that's what I thought Yeah, I thought because of the fat content. Yes more say it's more palatable more palatable and you can add You know the seasoning and all that I could just kind of get through a lot more of that Versus like a big ol steak and the thing is too like, you know, the red meat For me, I felt the nutrients and everything else, you know more from that as I was eating versus because I tried to throw in some Fish and in some chicken But you know, I was I felt a lot better when I was just sticking more with red meat So now what do you guys think about this because I don't know how much I'm gonna Like I'd like if not looking forward to just meet meet me and and this is I think this is okay and correct me If I'm wrong, I'm gonna I think maybe I might run all meat and like sweet potato So I have like a carb that can go with it and the likelihood that sweet potato is the the Offender of all things. I think is highly unlikely. I think it would be more likely to be either some sort of a nightshade Or some or a vegetable that I'm consuming on the regular basis or like an avocado or I think that has like High histamine. I think it's something that's more probably like that the least likely to cause problems would be fruit So fruit would be that's what sat what paul would say, right? So fruit is a part of the plant that the plant wants you to eat, right? Stems and roots and leaves are the Parts of the plant the plant doesn't want you to eat those are the ones that most likely cause Okay, so maybe maybe do like berries because I feel like I just need to have something Else so it I'd like it so it's not just meat all the time because that's the thing too Like everybody thinks that this is why I what I don't like about diets, right? We we ride like we ride a thing like the carnivore diet or we come up with the ketogenic diet And we get so like it's the the principles behind it that are that are really valuable It's just to learn some of the lessons right don't like become religious about it Right, so I feel like I could I can eliminate a lot of things that that are more likely to be the offender And narrow it down to maybe just a couple things in my diet So I have some sort of variety But I'm following kind of a similar carnivore. Yeah that because you could easily do that And then if you still have issues then eliminate the berries other the other thing too is your seasoning So we got to be careful with seasoning because you don't want to avoid garlic. You want to avoid pepper Oh, really stick to just salt right because uh people who are highly reactive to plants Um oftentimes are reactive to things like that's really good. That's really good advice them because I season the shit Yeah, no, you want just salt salt. Yeah salt and me. Okay. Yeah, that's the ultimate like Elimination and then you add and you and you go from there. Okay. Yeah, but ground beef See, it's gonna be really hard right? It's gonna be really hard to get enough calories. You're probably gonna be really full You're probably not gonna feel super strong or whatever But here's the other side if it is triggering autoimmune issues in you You might feel amazing Because it might not just be psoriasis. You might not even realize well And I think that's where most people like claim they have this like energy boost and they have this You know performance boost and the gym is really that they're fighting Internally in their body so much with all these What do you think it so and this is why I don't want I don't want to go full on carnivore I really don't like I I feel like I can do this and narrow down to a couple foods and stay like So would you think it would be more likely that sweet potato or or white rice would be I think I digest both of them fine I don't think either one of them affect me, but if I were to eliminate down to one What would you choose? I would probably go with sweet potato. Uh, that's what I thought But you know, here's the weird thing, dude. I've worked with so I used to work with someone No, I know who did a gut testing and this is before it became a popular thing And it was so weird some of the things that they would find with people like I remember this one lady I know I've seen things that are avocado. That's why I listed those avocado spinach asparagus. I had apples There was this woman who she couldn't figure out why she had uh, not psoriasis, but the other one Exima, she couldn't figure out. I can't it was apples. She got rid of apples and it went away It was for whatever reason her body was having this immune response to apples of all things Now my theory is that it's it's most likely a food that you want Eat a lot of and you you ate a lot of when you were over consuming, right? That's how it would go down, right? So it hints why I think obviously ice cream is obviously A major offender for me because I would pile it on at the end of a 4 000 calorie day Eat another 2 000 calories of ice cream Sure, my gut was inflamed sure that it gets into my bloodstream now it recognizes that as a an offender, right? So and then there comes the autoimmune response So that's pretty obvious to me same thing with sugar like I knew I was when I'm when I'm more likely to abuse sugar abuse dairy It is when I'm in an overconsumption place sweet potatoes I'm roaming leaning out if I'm eating sweet potatoes or just rice things like that I feel like It's less likely that that would have been a food that I was when I was over consuming. Yeah, no that makes sense No, uh, saladino said Meat and then the the next ones that are least likely would be fruits and honey What'd be that and by the way it could be like zucchini zucchini is like a fruit, right? So zucchini counts you can eat that okay as part of that But he does typically tell people to go all the way and then start reintroducing Yeah, I would do the honey like before workouts, you know, at least have some kind of that's a good idea Yeah, so I'm gonna do like a modified version of this I think because I don't I'm not so I do I don't my workouts. I mean now here's a deal like I always think about digestion Like doesn't it make you constipated as hell or I know people are saying that but Weird. No, it doesn't and and yeah, and I don't know like I don't know if I totally subscribe to I remember What's the other dr. Sean Baker's name? Yeah, so he was talking about it Is you just absorb a lot more of the nutrients because it's more bio available. That was his argument for it Well, no, it's true. It is true. You're gonna lose bulk. You shit less Yeah, that's true. You shit less and it's smaller like amounts Yeah, no, that's true because you get bulk from insoluble fiber and that's why if you take like psyllium husk You'll get these nice fully formed poops because it adds bulk to your stool meat doesn't add much bulk So you're gonna have smaller poops. I figure because this is not like a little time nickets My psoriasis is not like a I've been living with it for a long time It's not that big of a deal to where I'm gonna like I need to like eliminate everything I'm like, why don't I kind of move in that direction? You've also been Complaining a little bit about inflammation. Yeah, so it's so I'm wondering if that's connected Yeah, I know it's been strange. You've been saying how weird it you're you've been feeling inflamed Yeah, I say that but then at the same time too. I also openly admit that I'm not like dialed right like That's actually that some of the best I felt was when I was dieting for competition because I was so Of course, yeah I was so diligent about what I was consuming and so restrictive on so many foods that You know right now. I'm kind of all over the place my consistent I'm really looking to just build something consistent The idea is to do is to kind of tease out a lot of foods Primarily things that I might think would be healthy like avocados and vegetables and nightshades and things like that Um, and then maybe stick to mostly meat Maybe one carb like either rice or yams and then like fruit and then I I'll stick to that That will give me enough variety that I don't feel like and then I can slow add like one item That's right. That's right. And then I'll then I'll slowly start to add in a vegetable Like then I'll just only eat a spare. 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Yeah, so this depends on on how tired you are and why you're tired if you I also think it depends on How often this happens to you too, of course because remember when we had a we had a good interview with Dr. Andy Galpin And we talked about this a little bit and he made a really good case for There's value in You know kind of forcing yourself through a workout like this sometimes Not all the time not most of the time sometimes. Yeah, so if you're somebody who like optimizing versus adapting That's right Right. And so there there is times where it's like, hey, you know You being able you want to be able to get up and do these things when you're talking if you always You know go easy or fold when you're tired or fatigued all the time Then when you need to get at you're gonna you're not going to be able to perform Yeah Now another thing to consider is that movement so long as the intensity and volume is adjusted is usually good for you You know almost almost not always but almost no matter what so if you feel sluggish Or sore or tired You probably don't want to go to the gym and beat yourself up But what you might want to do is go to the gym and and do some full range of motion movement at low intensity Adjust your intensity. Yeah Yeah, some mobility stuff at low to moderate intensity some stretching and what you'll find is it actually helps rejuvenate the body It actually helps increase improved circulation. So in in those cases Sitting down and resting might be bad because here's another thing these days a lot of people feel sluggish and tired because they don't move That's right. Not because they've been moving too much I've seen this with my own kids when especially when they're doing school from home I'll take them outside and force them to work out or go on a walk the first 10 minutes They're uh complaining after about 10 minutes their energy starts to perk up and they feel a lot better Even though they're complaining at the beginning and saying i'm too tired to work out Yeah, well, you know, your body responds to what you do the most and and that's what you're you're literally teaching your body What the priorities are every single day and so to To get up and to move at least and like you said like adjust your intensity and at least go through ranges of motion I think is massively valuable because it just still Sort of sends that signal that the body needs to move. It needs to function. It needs to express itself And that's a healthy practice to maintain. But you know, there are some days where you just had like An incredibly intense workout or you know, you're just bombarded with work or you just haven't taken a day off at all I think it's valuable too to just take it off Yeah, totally But you know, and there was that one study you brought up a couple episodes ago Justin where they showed that people working their grip Improved their cognition just that that flexing and squeezing of the hand Got them to perform better with cognition I noticed with the trigger sessions and maps anabolic when I was testing the program out I noticed throughout the day the trigger sessions were better than a cup of coffee They energized me even if I went into them like oh man I'm so I don't really want to do this and then I do it and then I'd come out of it and I'd feel Invigorated so movement is usually a good idea. You just have to modify the intensity and the volume Next question is from fp packer. What are the best at home stability exercises to increase the big three or five? I've got I've got the first two right away I've for squatting and deadlifting. I love pistol squats and single leg deadlift For bench What would I do stability wise at home that I think would improve that? Also, I'll give you a couple that I noticed for me you had a huge carry over for presses and squats two things carries overhead carries really improved my presses just that stability that's required to hold that extended position The tight body especially the overhead press. I couldn't I couldn't believe how much stronger I was at the overhead press just from practicing heavy overhead dumbbell or kettlebell carries sled driving Okay, so I have now incorporated sled drives regularly into my routine Saturday mornings That's my workout as I'm driving the sled for five or six rounds And I'm putting as much weight as I can stack on there And what's happened as a result of that is my squat has gone through the roof and I it's 100 Because of the drives. I'm squatting More almost more weight if not more weight than I've ever squatted before and it's entirely Because of the sled drives and I know Joe DeFranco like swears by them now sled drive is partial stability Part of it is the driving of the legs But the part that I really feel most solid when I squat now Is my glutes my upper back and it comes from holding the my arms at distance And driving 600 pounds across the pavement. It's really made a big difference Yeah, and I would add one to like the overhead press the bottoms up kettlebell press And and of course this this requires you to have a kettlebell at your house, but Just that stability from You know, you know having like the different planes so the frontal plane so left to right stability having sagittal plane Front to back stability having that rotational Component like all those things you have to account for because the load itself is Is teetering so you don't know which side it's going based off of your weakness It's gonna it's gonna lean towards your weakness and you have to adjust and so I think it's it's a it's a really valuable exercise if you're going to look at it as like reinforcing Your shoulder joint and really addressing a lot of stabilizing muscles that are behind it Which is normally a limiting factor for most people increasing their bench. That was really good I don't know why I didn't think that right away, which also reminds me then the z-press Yeah, so that's another great shoulder strength stability exercise that you can do in practice at home if you want to increase your bench Especially that one because you kind of start down below on your chest and pressing Dresses your core and back lower back stability. Yeah, yeah totally And then here's some other ones you could do at home You could do a full plank with your arms extended and really increase intensity through your arms and shoulders Or you could bring the push-up all the way down if you tend to get stuck at the bottom of a bench press You can go all the way down hover Above the floor and hold that with good tight intensity For time, so you basically do an isometric at the bottom portion of have you seen smitties? It's just more advanced. I wouldn't like on the room anybody But yeah on top of one of those what does he call it? There's a name. He calls it like the earthquake I think so earthquake push-up push-up or something. Yeah, but I thought I've actually done those before and I do Find it very challenging in you know That and the bamboo bar as well So like the bamboo bar has like a flex to it. So and you hang weights With with rubber bands. So basically, you know, they move And it's basically like the the weight and the load shifts a lot and you have to account for that So there's some value to well, maybe a little a regression to that because that's a bit advanced That I but I like where you're going with that is a suspension trainer Oh, yeah, suspension trainer push-ups are are grossly underrated such a great You're right. I mean that's a great point It's and it's a really great exercise to kind of prime before you go into chess like because especially if you've got good mobility Yes, that's what that's what I mean Like you you work on the the depth of those and good shoulder stability like that because the arms are independent Uh, I've had a lot like a lot of success with going over do Two or three sets of suspension trainer push-ups. I pick an angle That's relatively easy as far as the push-up portion of it But more of the stability of the shoulder and range of motion Do that for two or three sets then go over to bench. I feel really locked in and stable before I go in So that's a good movement. Next question is from tie finnacum What are your thoughts on calorie cycling? Can you switch between very low calorie days and days at maintenance? Be a an effective strategy for fat loss. Oh, this is the best way to do it In my opinion, and there's a couple reasons why one is more important the other. Let's start with the less important reason I believe that doing this Prevents the metabolic slowdown that comes from cutting your calories or at least it mitigates it, right? So when you cut your calories No matter what your is it your your body's always trying to match your calorie intake and it's it's going to try to slow down Your metabolism our resistance training can help offset this nonetheless. You do it long enough You're still going to see a metabolic slowdown. I think injecting higher calorie days Tells the body that it doesn't necessarily need to do this And and it reduces that effect and there's some studies support that support this They show that people who do this tend to lose more fat and less muscle When they follow the strategy versus just going on a total cut now the more important reason For me is the psychological one. Yeah, this mimics real life more than eating the same calories all the time So if you're following a macro, you know, if you're counting your macros or you're trying to eat a particular way But you know eventually you're going to go off that and live a regular life If you eat the same thing every single day Transition transitioning from there to real life. It's going to be much harder than if you got used to the ups and downs That you know, that's normally how you eat. Do you know how I piece this together? I actually did not know about the the science to support it first But I started to do it for the psychological reasons first I mean, and that's the most important. I remember with clients The you know back when we used to give meal plans that they were very generic and the same thing basically And they were right around the same target was getting these complaints of like feeling Oh, I'm so tired of it and I had to rewrite another one rewrite another one One of the hacks that I found really quick was just giving these these drastic difference targets Like, you know, hey today and I would tell them like today we're focusing for the next two days low cal So I want you to stay at this calorie range. Here's your kind of food choices Just don't go above that and then on Thursday I'm going to let you go to you know, 2,800 calories So we're gonna have a good feed day and then you these are your food choices and give them like options like that Just giving clients this this variety of goals almost daily like that Broke up the monotony of doing the same thing all the time and I had more success This was before I found out later on that it was advantageous for them to do that Because how it mimics real life and then what it does for the metabolism It's so funny because we always try to like create this uniformity and and create these Sort of standardized ways like well, I'm so disciplined that I I'm so regimented. I do this all the time But yeah, it's totally like undulating and and allowing flexibility and all that like it mimics Just what what you do in your life like already. I think that it's always a lot more successful implementing strategies like this even with training too Next question is from chechi cr What do you think about earthing or grounding? Okay, so I like it, but not for the reasons that they say Okay, so the the the theory with earthing and grounding has something to do with the electrical charge Not like what you brought up in the intro. Yeah, you're uh digging holes. No, nothing That's not earthing. No, okay. What are you doing over there? I'm earthing the ground earth in it. Yeah, all right. Keep earthing No, it's um, so the theory is that you have these he's charged, you know The earth has a different electrical charge that you put your bare feet on and it balances out the electrical charge It's good for your body Something along those lines. I don't think that's why it's valuable. I think it's valuable because the bottom of your feet are Full of nerve endings seven thousand and and the brain Is connected to all those nerve endings and because you your feet are constantly covered and that not just covered But then you got rubber soles on top of them that part of the brain that processes that atrophies And you lose connection to your feet and lose connection to those nerves and how they feel So I think walking barefoot on grass and on the ground and all different things Is good because it develops the muscles of the feet and it also develops the brain the connection to those nerves And I think that's why people see benefit. I don't think it has to do with the Electrical charges of the human body and your magnetism. Yeah. Well, since I'm since I'm married to the woo woo girl I'm not I'm not discounting the The what the what this reminds me of and I know you'll agree with this It's very similar to like the way like massage therapists have been communicating like The energy in your body the way it moves and stuff like that You know, so I think the language around it We're just not there yet exactly all the benefits. I could agree with that and I agree I 100 the way what got me to get behind it was what you said, right? Because like you I have that side of me that's like so anti woo woo But if you show me some science to support like like, oh, that's very obvious to me nerve endings in the feet You're not connected to the ground. It's literally like could you imagine working out in big old snow gloves all the time? We're just always having gloves. Yeah, exactly trying to write with a pencil You would lose so much of your ability in the you'd be terrible. You would be terrible the way you write You'd be terrible. Mark Wahlberg's pulling off So you so that part is very obvious to me right and and especially now that um, I remember after I met with Dr Brink and you know really started to break down my own feet and realize how many problems that people have That are stemming from the feet and the that that starts with being connected and grounded and being able to Actually grip the the floor and if you'd always have Gloves on or shoes and socks on you don't ever train those muscles, right? Yeah, I like it just for being conscious of like being able to articulate your toes individually and being able to feel You know a little bit of a slight roll like in your ankle and being able to adjust based off of the surface and There's just so much value to that like you could think of it as like you're just atrophying your your muscles and your whole You know support system there and your feet by always like casting them in these shoes So these these are the the physiological things that we know are backed by science that we can all get behind I still think there's something else there too There's something about when you take your shoes off and you just walk through some grass Or dirt or is the sand on the beach and stuff like that. It's just it's an uplifting Feeling connected to the earth. It connected to nature And I feel like that's the woo-woo part that they try to explain that they try and explain I can I can get behind that because I mean we evolved that way. Let's be honest We could create let me let me give you a different way a different example We could create a fake sun, right? We could create a lamp that produces all the same UV rays on us, but it would still probably feel different than being out in the sun because we evolved For millions of years touching the earth with our skin So I could I could get behind that there's probably more to it I you know the part that I explain is the part that I know for sure right that I can explain Yeah, I think it's somewhat of like we're adapting with our environment instead of like trying to create your own environment You know to navigate your way through instead You're working with the different you know terrain of the environment. Yeah, you know It's funny when with these people who you know, especially modern hunter-gatherers that are still barefoot We think oh their feet must be so thick with calluses and numb Like shoes and that's not true. They do have calluses, but their feet are Far more sensitive than ours. I don't mean sensitive like they're ticklish or whatever. That's not sensitive. That means we can't process The sensations that's why we can't handle certain things on our feet Their feet are much more functional and they can feel things underneath adjust their weight adjust their toes climb things Things that we would have difficulty doing Even with shoes on so and and here's a deal at some you know now as adults I'm sure there's a part of our brain that now is permanently Never going to be like it could have been had we always done this oh, it's definitely I mean I've put a lot of work in trying to work on me and I've come a long way, but I'm still Unbelievably discontented. Look it's like learning a language in your older You're always gonna have an accent right so I bet your son though you can see the difference in your son Well, and that's what I'm excited right? I'm excited that I you know I have this boy that I could have I didn't have the knowledge as a young boy To do this and I'm watching and I'll tell you something right now like that That was obviously there was contention in the family about me pushing that so much But my son skipped that wobbly fall and hit your head face Like he literally did that he felt he feels the floor He had it for like maybe a week dude like a week of when he went from not being able to walk to walking There was that small transition He is so unbelievably stable all the time like he does I've never we haven't had the only one time Do you remember me told the stuff she put shoes on she put the one time max has fallen over and bumped his head and Heard himself was the first time that she put shoes on him outside Dude, I was watching old home videos When I was a kid and back in those days Doctors actually used to tell moms When your baby starts to walk put very strong supportive shoes on them to help them walk And baby shoes they used to make them they'd have like stiff so they'd have those wood They were like yes with a heel on it And it was like and they would you would feel it would be like like little casts And they said was to help your baby walk Well, anyway, I'm watching these old home videos And there I am as a baby and I see myself trying to walk in these damn shoes And I'm like really trying hard not to like get mad at my mom That's what happened right there. You know, it's cool. This is why this is why We figured it out. You know what I love about it too is that it's I mean He's what is he now a year a little over a year and a half and I trained him so well now that like I don't feel like I'm ever gonna have to even have the discussion because He hates socks and shoes on like he don't even want to have a Ben Greenfield You don't even want He don't even want them on his feet because you could tell he wants to be and I I love it You can see his feet working all the time when he's sitting down in a squat and so like that I can see his toes all moving around. I'm like, oh my god, dude Like I feel like that's going to make such a difference in him later on in life Just with movement in general because he is so grounded and connected. That's awesome Look, if you like our content, you love mine pump free.com. Go ahead over there. Check out all of our free content We have free guides that can help you burn body fat help you with your diet Train your body different body parts. Again, it's mine pump free.com You can also find all of us on social media. You can find us on instagram So you can find Justin at mine pump Justin me at mine pump salon adam is at mine pump adam The opposite tends to be the rule The people that need to get strength training exercise more in their life are the ones most likely to gravitate to not exercising at all Not training and getting them involved in moving and exercise is going to do tremendous things for their libido The people that love to exercise and train hard and push them