 Okay. We'll start this meeting, a regular meeting of the regional. Chittany County regional planning commission. And the first thing we have is the call to order. And I believe we have our attendance. Are there any changes to the agenda? I don't see anybody who had anything. So that's good. The next is for public comments for any items that are not on the agenda. Do we have anybody here to speak to. I don't see anybody who has anything on the agenda. I don't see anybody who wants to speak to that, but it's not on the agenda. Are there any plans to invest capital or planning? Well, I can't see that. Let me see. You want me to read that Catherine. Yeah. That's the downside to the iPad. Because it's my screen very tiny otherwise. No problem. So Michael Arnold. Are there any plans to invest capital or planning dollars to reduce GMT operating expenses either through traffic, single priority bus stop consolidation. Or dedicating transit priority lanes. So good question. Yeah, there's multiple layers there. So I know. There are some federal restrictions on how. You know, transportation dollars are used. And if anybody from VTrans wants to pop in, please feel free, but we cannot use either capital dollars or planning dollars to reduce or for operating expenses. So the feds are pretty strict on those three categories to my knowledge. Although I do think that they may allow the VTrans to flex. And I'm not quite sure exactly how that works at the state level. But then you're asking also about. Traffic signal priority. Must stop consolidation and dedicating. Transit priority lanes. I am not aware personally of some of those things. In motion, but maybe others are on a lany or Amy, anything you want to add there. We have looked at transit priority in the past. And we actually tested it. There was a pilot that happened and there was some, at that point malfunction of the equipment. So that was where we left it. And maybe it's time for us to actually take another look for that when we're doing corridor studies. And we can work with GMT on that consolidation of bus stops. We are looking at the corridor level when we do corridor studies. Again, Michael, I'm very happy to talk to you offline about all of these issues. And maybe we can bring GMT into the discussion too. Charlie, this is this map. The flex that we use. From FHWA that goes over to FTA. We can't use that for operating. You're correct. We are allowed to use that for preventive maintenance. So what we do is flex funds over to FTA to pay for preventive maintenance and that frees up funds then to spend on operating. And I do know GMT is kind of updating their transit plan and looking, and they may be looking at consolidating some stops, but how to make the system more efficient. And we also partnered with them just in terms of looking at additional or other revenue sources to supplement the, mostly the property tax now that provides the match. You know, my understanding without GMT being in the room here is that, you know, they are, there's more federal funds than they can draw down right now because they don't have enough local match. So there's definitely some more things to address in the next legislative session. I think they're okay for FY23, which is the current fiscal year that just started a couple of weeks ago, but FY24, I know is going to be another financial challenge for GMT. So I'm sure there will be a lot of discussion about that through the legislative session. And Michael, I encourage you to kind of plug in and, you know, be in touch with us if you like, but during the legislative session and the transportation committees, this will definitely be a topic. Sorry, Catherine, back to you. Okay. Thank you. I see a little, little thing that said, thank you. So that was nice. We do not have a consented general act action item. So moving on, we have to approve the minutes of the June 15th meeting, which was our in person, which I didn't make unfortunately, but. So do we have such a motion? Yeah, this is barred a motion to approve the minutes of June 15th. And this is Chris. I'll second. Okay. So as, are there any corrections? I have died. I did not have any. So then if, then we can go ahead and vote to, accept the minutes. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Thank you very much. The minutes are approved. Next is, is the fiscal year 2326 transportation improvement program. We have to open the public hearing. So we need a motion to do so. So moved Barbara. Second. Andy. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. All right. The public hearing is open. Are there any comments from the public related to the transportation improvement program for the fiscal years 23 to 26. I don't see anything. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Christine. It's talking, but I didn't see anything. Alrighty. Sorry, Christine. We cannot hear you at all. And I'm not going to lip-read her that I can't. Can't translate. Yeah. Yeah. Still nothing. No. I think she said shoot. I think so. I'm just going to try to figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't look like there's any public comment. So. Yeah. I mean, so we leave it open until we see if there's any public comment or Christine has something to say. So that's what we do right now. Are there any comments? Anybody want to make a comment? Christine, sometimes it can help to just leave and come back in maybe. Oh, she go into the phone. She's calling in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had the zoom, but there was no way to. It was not a zoom. The local motion had set up a. Some Google meat. And I just couldn't get the sound to work. To be in. Still can't hear you. Oh dear. Maybe she just has to go to the chat. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we can try to pick up and pick this up a little bit. Not as well as Christine, but. Yeah. Oh, there you go. Yeah. I'm sorry about that. Oh, well. Am I fixed? Yeah. I think I also did the, I think what you did. Catherine, I had another meeting that. Messed up my. Everything. All right. So, um, All right. So am I sharing? Yeah. Yes. All right. Awesome. Sorry about that. Everyone. The trials and tribulations of our lives now. Um, so, um, Christine Ford, everyone knows from my snafu, um, transportation planner at sea surface. And we are talking about the fiscal year 2023 to 2026 to 2026. Um, So this is covering the period October 1st, 2022 through September 30th, 2026. Um, and just, um, to sort of. Sort of orient ourselves and how this fits in with our overall transportation planning process. And then we're going to look at the, the next step is to look towards, um, Getting projects implemented. So after the long range plan, the planning studies and scoping studies, then we're, um, Seeking funding through the tip. And, um, So the tip is that the tip is a document that all MPOs across the country are required. To have. And there's, there's specific, um, information in the federal legislation about what has to be in the state. Um, So the tip is a list of multimodal transportation projects, all projects that spend federal transportation money in the county have to be listed in the tip. Um, to note, there's also a statewide transportation improvement program, the step. And the tip and the step, um, Are combined into one document that then is submitted to federal highway for approval. And then we're going to look at, um, And then we're going to look at, um, And then we're going to look at any portion of the step. Um, the tip has to be physically constrained. What that means is that. Once the dollar amount is set, we can't exceed it over the time of the tip. If we want to add projects, we have to take other projects out. Um, the fiscal fiscal constraint does vary year to year based on the projects that are in the tip. Um, we'll see in a minute that that the dollar amount really does vary. The tip has to cover four years. Um, it has to be updated at least every four years. We update typically every year. And the tip authorizes the obligation of federal funds. And that's a little bit of a obscure language, but what that just means is that it's a formal process that federal highway. Designates the funds to go to a specific project. They don't literally have hand the money over, but they designate the projects. Um, the funds to go to each of the projects. And so. Really it's important that the tip has to be based on a continuing comprehensive transportation planning process. Federal highway wants us all to work together. They want to ensure that the federal funds are spent in accordance with a plan. They want the local involvement. Um, So that is the process for developing the tip. The projects have to be ready to spend the money. It's not a wish list projects have to be. Have to obligate the funds in the year that their program in the tip and federal highway won't allow the funds to be obligated if the project's not ready to spend the money. So that's important that the projects have to be ready to go. Projects have to have funding. All the projects in the tip have funding identified. And then also projects have to be in the capital program to spend the money. So that's important. Um, for Tinden County, the capital program is, is the state's budget. And, um, the tip is the federal budget. So both together, um, make up. The what's required for the tip. So three sections in the tip. There's an introduction that says what the tip is. There's a discussion of transportation performance measures. There's an adoption resolution and there's a glossary. Um, and then the next section three are some, um, tables and charts that show the federal funds by category. Um, and funding sources. Um, so page one of the tip, all the projects are. Are sorted by alphabetically by municipality. Projects are organized alphabetically by project name. Each project has two numbers. There's a CCRPC project number that's up in the top left. So if you were to talk to V-trans project number, if you were to talk to V-trans about these projects, you would reference that number. And then what we're most interested in is the numbers in these four columns, the, the, um, 23, 24, 25, 26 federal funds. This is federal only, um, no state or local is listed here. And then the projects identified the phase, whether it's preliminary engineering, right of way acquisition or construction. Also in this section, there are a few notes that appear throughout the tip. There's, um, this note funds to be obligated in FY 22. What that means is that this project is expected to be finished this year to be finished by September 30th, 2022. There's a note, um, no federal funds. Pretty obvious. It means that there's state and local funds only for this project. And these are really for information. Um, Um, I think that's a good point. Um, I think that's a good point. Um, um, Cirque alternative projects are identified with a note, uh, projects. So if you'll remember, we recommended some projects to be added to the transportation capital program. In 2021. Well, we did it last year too. That was the, um, traffic and safety and roadway projects. And those projects are identified with this note, VPSP to regional adjournment project. And then finally, um, we also have a number of other projects that are not available. Um, that are not available for information only because we don't have authority over the airport projects. We just list them. For information. Um, and then on the other side on the right to the right of this double line, there are a bunch of other columns and these are just other information that may be of interest. There's a total project cost. Um, this is the most recent estimate that we have federal funds. Um, there is the federal funds obligated through FY 21, which would be the amount that was spent on the project at the end of the last federal fiscal year, September 30th, 2021. And then the FY 22 federal funds. So if you added those two columns together, that would be the amount that's been spent previously on the project. The FY 22 is what's in the current year that goes up through September 30th. 2022. So there's 11 project use categories. We'll talk about those in a couple of minutes. Federal funding source percent federal state local funds. And then the last column, which is not interesting at all on this page is remarks. And that's any information that we want to share about the project and also the V-terms project manager. If we know who that is. Um, so this is a very large document, very large list of projects, total of 320, and it's available in 19,000,000,000. So it looks at the number of projects that are now available in 18,000,000, including the airport projects. I think it's a record for us. I'm sure it's a record for us. So this chart shows how it compares to the last 10 years of projects and what you see from this chart is that I mean one thing that you can see we talked about before is how much the amount very easier to year and you can see how it goes up and down and then how 2324 and 25 are very high and as we said before projects the tip is developed by projects ready to go and that's how it gets so high these are projects that be trans has been working on for many years and they're ready to go to construction. So I'm just going to kind of breeze through the sections and stop me if you have questions or save them for the end. So, the category aviation as we talked about for information only that's 104.9 million which is pretty high for them which is awesome. The two highest pieces of this are the airfield projects that would be taxi way and runway improvements and then the terminal building of people have been over there you know that there's a lot of work going on with the terminal $40 million towards that. So we have this category new sidewalks and paths so these are standalone sidewalk and bike pad projects and it's important to note that there are bike pad improvements associated with other projects and those aren't accounted for here so these are just bike and pet program grants transportation alternative program grants, and then there's a raise grant rebuilding American infrastructure with sustainability and equity, and that South Burlington was awarded for the bike pad bridge over exit 1415 projects here 14.8 million. Bridge preservation. There's nine bridges in this category included in this category is the US is the ID 9 culvert that we had the recent expedited to the amendment for 13.4 million is going towards that culvert enrichment did I say that. And then there's also there's five state highway bridges on this list there's a state highway bridge over ID 9 enrichment there's two town highway bridges one in Huntington one in Jericho. 32.5 million intermodal. The Wilson parking right is finally under construction right now. One project 2.7 million new facility and major roadway upgrades so these are large and significant projects. have been developed in development for a long time. The largest of this is Champlain Parkway there's 49.4 million towards that project total this category 99.1 million. Exit 17 is rebuilding the bridge over ID 9 exit 17 and other improvements at us to a new a seven crossing connectors and new connection between two a and 117 and then the exit 12 that's under construction right now the the phase one which is a new bike path under the interstate and a new northbound on ramp. Paving. Eight projects in this category 40 million 40.5 million we've class one paving in Burlington and when you ski state paving and in various locations and 289 paving that's happening right now. Some improvements. This category is talking about projects that are in a linear. That are laid out in a linear way three projects here 21.1 million at exit 16 we hope to be under construction soon to a improvements in Colchester and improvements on Susie Wilson road in Essex. And then the largest number of projects are in the category safety traffic operations and it s these are signal upgrades and intersection projects 18 projects that I already say that 34.8 million and these are throughout the county. In this category are the seven regionally driven new projects that have been added to the capital program that were recommended by us through the VPS P two and 2021. These are in what V trans is calling a scope refinement phase right now so they we don't have a construction schedule for them yet but the trans is is taking this time to verify what the scope is and kind of determine the schedule for these projects. And transit 68.5 million combination of fta formula funds cmax funds for service fta grants and then elderly disabled programs. I'm almost to the end of the list store water environmental these are municipal highway stormwater mitigation program grants and transportation alternative grants for stormwater upgrades. 12 projects on this list 4.2 million. The last is rail so we don't show federal railroad administration funds in this tip. So all we have to rail so that's why it's a small number of three projects 5 million, and it's just the CMAC funds for the Amtrak service, and then there's to rail grade crossing improvement projects one in Burlington and one in Winooski. This bar chart shows the categories relative to each other, the largest category in this. This tip is the new facility major roadway upgrade 30.7% of the total and then transit paving and going down from there. This group is not is used to seeing high numbers for the new facility category but as we know from history. We don't typically. Our overall spending profile is actually quite low in that category 7.7 million. So they're large projects they create big blips, but I think this chart just indicates that. In our overall program it's not a major priority for us. It's just the occasion that there are large projects that do bubble up and do become necessary. And so the last thing that I'm going to talk about is the SERP alternatives for those who are still tracking it in 2011 the SERP highway was canceled. There was a SERP task force that met between 2011 and 2013 recommended 34 projects that total total 99 million. There are three phases of projects. So the this these couple charts show the status of those projects. And seven projects have been completed listed at the top of this chart. There are two more, two more projects in the phase one section, and those both have construction in this tip exit 16 and press it connector. And then there are three remaining phase two projects, and they all also have construction in the four years of this tip. And so that are seven of the phase three projects, all but one the two way improvements in Colchester have construction identified in this tip. And then the final list, there are six projects that are listed in the tip but don't have a schedule right now for SERP alternatives. And that is the quick update of the tip. Question. Christine, I'm interested in the noise mitigation for the airport. What exactly does that involve. So they it's their ongoing program. I think they're. Part of it is that they're redoing their maps they're redoing their noise exposure maps. And they do program a certain number every year for for their noise compatibility program and noise mitigation. I don't think it's specific projects but they do have a placeholder every year for that. And that noise mitigation even looks like they use it for property acquisitions and for and for the application easements. They're also doing installation are they not Christine at this moment. I'm sorry say that again Chris. Aren't they also doing installation projects like new windows and sound bedding within homes that have not been acquired. Yes, thank you. Yes. Do you want me to stop share. Yes, thank you Christine thank you for the presentation. Are there any other comments or questions regarding the tip. I don't see anything. Is anybody else see anything. If not, and there's no other comments then we should have a motion to close the public hearing. Do we have a second. I'll second Dana. All right, all those in favor say aye. Aye. And now that we have closed the public hearing we need a motion to approve the fiscal 23 to 26 transportation improvement program itself. I'll move that. Second. Second. All those in favor then say aye. Aye. Motion passes to go along with the tip. I'm sorry. I thought that Dan made the motion. But now Dan seconded it. Who made the motion. John made John made the motion. And so to go along with the tip approval, the planning process must be certified. And this sort of, there's a planning process certification and this certifies that the planning process is carried out in accordance with the federal requirements. So we need a motion to certify and authorize the chair to sign the certification certification. So moved Barbara. I'll second Jackie. All those in favor say aye. Thank you so much. Next on the agenda then is the comprehensive economic development strategy update and who is going to presenting that one. I'm going to present it Catherine Regina. Thank you. Thank you Regina. All right, let me just share my screen. Does it look like the right thing or not really. It looks like what was in the packet that I got so. How about that. That's better. Okay. So apologies I'm working from one screen so I don't know what's coming up next. And mostly this is Taylor's project so she is on vacation this week and has done all the legwork so I'm just here to get the glory. But giving folks a brief overview of the draft comprehensive economic development strategy. Just to give folks a little bit of background. We incorporate in Chittenden County we incorporate the said into the egos plan. We did this said update in a little bit of a different way but ultimately this still will be incorporated into the 2023 egos plan. From our perspective we're going to essentially wrap up this whole thing by September because we have an economic development administration grant to do this. So that's our that's our focus and so we've got the draft out there for comment right now until end of August but really from our perspective we're going to be looking at this again as it gets kind of put into the egos plan. So, also, I just want to thank Dana in her day job she has worked on this in Addison County. So, thanks Dana. My pleasure. Okay. So, for this time around, we have partnered with three other regions to do the sets. Essentially, the ultimate goal and aim is that all of the regions in the state will have a comprehensive economic development strategy. And also the goal is to partner up with these other folks because there is another designation that we could potentially get. After this work is done, that would bring some more planning work dollars into the region consistently for economic development going forward. So, some of the reasons why we why we partnered up this time around. And these are the other things I'm going to talk about in this presentation. I think this should be fairly familiar for folks but if not, we do the SEDS the Comprehensive Economic Development Strategy. In order to get a federal economic development administration funds into the region. So, it is not a required plan but if you don't have the plan you don't get those funds. So, it's really a strategy driven plan, and it must contain these these bulleted items here. And really the idea is that it's it's focused on a pretty decent analysis of what's going on what's working what's not working, and what are you going to do going forward to try to correct the things that aren't working great. And also, prior to this version, economic resilience was a new requirement and just interesting enough coming out of COVID or, I shouldn't say that in COVID, pretty interested to think about economic resilience this time around. So geographically these are the other four regions that we are working with. And I sort of talked about this already but these are kind of some of the other reasons why we are doing this. So here we've done a good amount of engagement in last fall, I think fall winter spring worked on an economic profile, the SWAT strength strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats, and then soar is just sort of a little bit of a different framework for that same thing that's a little bit more positive and of course I'm not going to be able to repeat what those are. I don't remember but essentially it's the same thing. And also that fourth square draft EDD bylaws. So the EDD economic development district, I think, is the other organization or sort of the other organization that we would potentially become in order to get those more consistent economic development administration planning funds into the region. So through the grant that we have with the EDA right now to write the SEDs, we're also working on some of the draft bylaws of what that could look like. And then finally we've also, aka Taylor has also drafted the SEDs itself. So, it's up on the West Central Vermont website. We are soliciting comments via conveyor some of you folks might be in might have seen that from us before essentially it's just a PDF commenting tool so you could just scroll right down through the document and just pop a little little comment bubble in there. And it captures it all in a really helpful way for us on the back end. Certainly also open to just getting comments via email. This says that comments are due August 12 where it's a little bit open ended but really through the end of August is totally fine. And then again, we're trying to get this draft completed by the end of September. Key findings thus far not going to read through this and too much detail because I know folks got the presentation in the packet. But essentially when you look at that region from we've got Montpelier and us Addison County and Rutland. It's a really pretty big component of the economic driver in the state of Vermont. Another key finding is that the population between the 2010 and 2020 census is really diversifying quite a bit. And specifically if you look at that number for Chittenden County it's practically like 99 point something percent in in Chittenden County specifically. So just really important to keep that emphasis on on equity. And then the COVID response so just acknowledging the amount of federal assistance. Really a still a severe lasting impact on leisure and hospitality. And then total employment in the retail sector remains down. And it also is down and manufacturing. Regina's excuse me. Bart has a question. Oh yeah. Go for it. There's really just a comment about demographics. So similar to statewide data statewide data does not represent any county accurately and I'll observe that county data does not represent any locality accurately. I was asked to look at high school composition for another reason recently and MMU was something like 96 or 97% white Mount Mansfield and Winooski High School was something like 34% white. So an average of those two would fail to represent either one accurately and it just it's a comment about that the diversity and demographics very significantly even within the county. So that's a good point. And I think probably one that we should be probably pretty clear about in this document because there really is quite a level of diversity from one there's 90 municipalities so for thinking about this from a municipal perspective there's quite a bit of difference from one to the next. And the last bullet just generally, if you look at a bit from a big picture, we've kind of emerged in a good strong economic position, but I think a lot of that is really dependent on on who you are. So findings. So should come as no surprise to anybody labor force participation rate is lowest than it's been in 40 years and I think we can all feel that still pretty strong for niche manufacturing and value added products that has been the case for for us. So different sets now. And then the region is not immune to economic inequity definitely seeing gender wage gap and gaps between white residents and bike pop residents in education attainment income and home ownership rates. And those disparities exceed the national averages of those disparities. And then, certainly, continuing to invest in infrastructure and areas plan for growth, and particularly the importance of that and supporting economic development, and especially housing so certainly in this sense we once again for, I think, at least the third time in a row. Housing is critically shortage of housing is a critical problem. The goals are basically sort of category categorized into these six topic areas attract new workers and expand the labor force, equity, business development and job creation workforce development and employee retention infrastructure and resilience and quality of life. So you can take a look at the draft itself there are a lot of very specific items under each of these categories, and certainly open to, to feedback on on all of those. So, yep, just a, just a point here again that we are going to have this incorporated into the ECOS plan. Currently, the SEDS lives at in supplement for the ECOS plan so this will be put in that spot, and we'll have that wrapped up by June 2023. And then again this new acronym will potentially be put in place, post this work. All right, that's it I'll stop sharing my screen. See anybody else has any other questions. It looks like Dana has a question. One thing which is that an interesting important component of this project has been reaching out to the BIPOC community for this, the equity part of it. And to that extent, we retained the Vermont professionals of color organization I think that's the right name for that group. And they've been doing a lot of outreach. And when their outreach is done and we get their reports, and that equity piece will be incorporated into the SEDS as well. And that's been, that's been a really interesting part of it. We, we got proposals from people out of state all over the place from Colorado and we ended up going with our in state group. And, and I look forward to seeing the report and having it be part of the SEDS. Well, thank you. Yeah, awesome. Chris has a question. Whoops Chris you're muted. I wondered that the key findings were presented and I obviously they're going to be sub chapters and drilling down within those key findings, but I wanted to know for the outreach and the contributions you're getting, where the higher education and even the secondary education schools fit into the economic development model. How are they being, how are their views and perspectives being shared or included. Yeah, great question. So, I should mention also another partner in this is UVM they've got their outreach. The engagement and outreach office and that's not the name forgetting the name, but they have some really great data resources and so they have helped us quite a bit and and worked on some data that we are incorporating, but then also we had some focus groups with the tech high schools. And I, and we've definitely also spoke with CCD and some of the other schools as well so their, their thoughts and input is, is definitely in the plan. Didry. You have a question. I saw resilience listed on the list there. And curious in this context, is that, is that really economic resilience or, or is climate type of resilience planning incorporated in this as well. Great question. I think the intention for this particular plan is economic resilience but I think it's really, it's, it's everything that we need to be thinking about and preparing for in terms of a evolving economy. And certainly our economy will continue to evolve with the change of climate. So really it's a lot of those different pieces wrapped wrapped into it. You know, in a real simple way, it's just trying to be as diversified as possible so you can shift and move and I think more importantly from the COVID perspective anyway. And also combined with equity is really trying to think about how when we've got public dollars that we're trying to get to people to help them through a crisis like that. We've got to make sure we're doing it in such a way that it is really truly available to all folks. And I think we're definitely getting some of that from the Vermont professionals of color network and the conversations that they're having that a lot of the ways that we put funding out like first come first serve is not really working that well, because it's some communities aren't even finding out about it and by the time they do the monies run out. So lots of things like that also lots of things like making sure that we really are translating materials and making sure the right people know are getting the information so so everybody. Lots of different groups can can have access to those kinds of things. So I think that's again I'm so glad Dana that you mentioned that this huge point that I meant to mention that we're really still waiting on a lot of that information from the Vermont professionals of color network and I think they're really going to help us focus up that equity section anyway on on what what to do there. Well thank you did you any other questions or comments. Don't see anybody or anything so moving on. It's the board and committee member review volunteers, etc. And I guess this is what I get to do. I mean, I can give it a rolling start if you'd like to happen. Oh, I think I'm okay, but feel free to, you know, correct it or whatever but these are what I'm going to go through our current appointments, but members of the board can feel free to, you know, if they want to change their committees, or if there are some of these open slots interest you please sure to, you know, contact Charlie about this, but based on the little skills I had is that the agriculture is Tom eat these are the the extra ones the egg so the eggs Tom eating but we need someone to step into socio economic. Catherine we got to I did solicit people for that seat and I got two volunteers. So I think the executive committee will talk about those in the next month or two and bring a recommendation back to the board in September. Okay, the housing position unless is open unless the alternate which is Jess. Let me get his name right as your business is willing to move up. Industrial business is Tim back oh, but we need an alternate on that one conservation environmental. Charles is retired from these positions. So unless miles white weight, the alternate wants to move up the, there's a fully open slot there on concern conservation environmental. The committee bar has been elected the secretary treasure, and it's Jeff car and Chris Shaw on that committee board development has room for another board member if anyone is interested but current members are chair Michael Brian the media past chair, Dan Karen, Jeff car and myself. WP Chris Shaw is chair, John Sikoni, Michael this and that Jackie Murphy are on the UPWP committee but there is room for another board member if somebody is interested transportation advisory committee it's Barbara Elliott. And then the tech interest group represent French representatives are the Bob. We're here for elderly Jonathan Weber for bike pad rail is Mary and Michael's environmental is Richard Watts disabled is Adam west clerk and businesses Sam Anderson. The planning advisory committee member is Wayne how and the long range planning committee is Max Schindler. We're meeting Tracy Delphine, Andy Watts, Dana Hainley, but we could use another board member if anyone is interested because you can have three to six board members on that committee. The Clean Water Advisory Committee needs one board member to field on meals slot unless alternate Tom Eaton is going to move up. I'm going to talk around field advisory committee. Matt Vaughn LCB P is vice chair and would be chair, since the chair has moved on. Dr Pablo bows UVM Vermont. And then the Vermont Department of Health, brand long Vermont Department of Economic Development, ex officio, Patricia, cobalino Vermont DC ex officio. Oh, gosh, for myself, and I didn't write down his last name when I transferred it to my piece of paper. But he's a IA marriages. But with Kurt Carter stepping down as well and Heather Carrington, there are three community vacancies including GBIC representation plus one board member is slot is available. So if you have any ideas for folks who could join this one or want to join them as a board member. Please let Charlie know now. Chris Shaw is our ad hoc all hazard mitigation plan representative. And new is the equity advisory committee, and that's Michael Brian, Jackie Murphy, Elaine Haney, Justin revenue and stepping down so we need another member here, plus, and we have staff and move on and Brian Davis on that committee. So like I said, you know, think about it. These are what's going to be in place unless you know you want to change or you have some ideas that for other people to join. Can I be a little pushier, Madam chair and ask if there's any, you're allowed to be pushy. With limits right. But are there, are there any volunteers for any of those open spots right off the cuff or, you know, but I think we do want to bring closure to the conversation at the next meeting is September but correct anybody that wants to step into any of those open slots and I will do some solicitation also to some of the partners like GBIC and stuff that need to fill some of those gaps but there are, there are a few board member opportunities. There are a few committees. Exactly. So, to talk, to talk. Yeah. It doesn't sound like anybody's going to jump on it they have to think about it is summer and the thinking is slower, of course. Oh, there's barn. I'm just going to make the observation that as we contemplate diversity equity inclusion whenever we have openings on committees or boards. We might contemplate our best efforts to expand or address a greater diversity equity and inclusion and how we might do that. I don't have a specific suggestion, but I have a concept. You know, community slots that are open so I mean, that's a good, good point that we could look into those positions, you know, people out there. I was going to say if people know someone that might be interested in. Yeah, I'll provide an update more when we get to the equity topic on the agenda, the equity advisory committee update, but I think we got 16 community members interested in joining our equity advisory committee. So, great, that is, you know, to me that is a great pool of potential people that are interested. And they start there and then join other committees as well so I was really encouraged to see that reaction so. That is terrific yes. So moving on then is the legislative priority mid your review and I take it that would be you Charlie. Okay, yeah, although Regina could probably do it better but I will whoever wants to I don't know I think she's on vacation if you can't tell. Yeah, I don't know that she's actually getting any best but she's on vacation. So this is you. Those of you that have been on the board for a couple years will remember that we talked about bringing this list to the board every six months kind of after the session, and then we bring it back to you in January at the beginning of the session. I want to check in with you about the, and this is not really a list of bills this is really more topics and things that were, we're trying to, you know at least keep a little finger on and tracking in the legislature in no particular priority order, other than maybe whatever order Regina and I were thinking about these in a few years ago. So, no, no, no importance to the numbers here. But the first one is a clean water work. The clean water service provider guidance is still ongoing. And there may be some legislative action on that as we go forward with that effort transportation bills always going to be on this list. We've had some interesting stuff over the last couple years is they've tried to figure out more how to address climate change in the transportation sector. So we keep our eye on that transit financing. We did that report a year ago or so, or 2021 we did present it to the legislature and 22. As I said, kind of under the public comment discussion. I do anticipate that this is going to become a much more important issue in the next legislative session as they look at FY 24 funding, not just for transit I think but for transportation matching in general. I have the least impression I'm not sure it's a fact but I'm under the impression that there's going to be a challenge for Vermont to have enough local revenue to bring in all the federal transportation funds, maybe starting as early as 24. And so, you know, I think that will be a topic of conversation of either, you know, deciding to leave federal funds on the table or finding a way to have some more state funds to match those federal funds. Act 250 perennial favorite. Not sure we're making a lot of progress there but there's always something getting discussed broadband. I'll talk more about that under my report but you mostly I think that's mostly a financial issue at this point of money flowing through the state to support broadband climate change already mentioned that. And you know we'll kind of see what else comes out of the legislature is there working to implement what the climate council came up with. And it changes the PUC rules this isn't legislative but it happens through the PUC process so we kind of keep our eye on that cannabis taxation and regulation, you know where this is the year that we're supposed to start a retail market for cannabis in Vermont. So we'll see that I think, please, if you're municipalities have any any experience with that please share. If there's anything we can be helpful with or if there's something we should talk to legislators about in December. And I should have mentioned that. For any of you that haven't been here for more than a year we do do a legislative kind of briefing pre session in early December. So we'll talk more of what this conversation is is anything that should be on that agenda to talk to legislators will talk more about that, you know, October November timeframe but just to plant some seeds now. And then on the second page, you'll see a few items that I struck through, probably because or mostly because they were addressed in some way, and we don't think there's any new activity anticipated there. So this was project specific tiff, which I think did make it into the economic development bill this year. Equity related bills expect more action or effort in that arena. So we're meeting some efforts on increasing the amount of authority by statute that municipalities have, rather than individual municipalities having to go for charter changes all the time. So keep a little bit of track of that open meeting law. It's one of the things we always track but there's also, you know, even tonight as you can tell we're, we're technically hybrid, right if somebody wanted to come into our office, I think that Regina correct me if I'm wrong but I think as of July one we had to be offer hybrid options, or a meeting place for meetings. I think it's through January they did it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, January, I can it's the middle of January before we have to make some change that makes sense, because that's, that means the legislature is going to have to deal with, you know, are they going to make any of these changes permanent or or not. So that's something to keep track of and then the next to rental safety registry. You know a modified version into the housing bill so not sure there's going to be any more action in that regard. And then also the regional dispatch startup funding which we've been advocating for a few years did make it into the process this year and I think came up the exact number but I think there's $11 million that the state has made available for the startup of regional dispatch operation so that was a really pretty significant success this this session, and then last and this is a little bit more maybe parochial, maybe not, but but the regional planning funds and the municipal planning funds just kind of tracking what's happening there, in terms of that, what's going in the states budget there. And so I'm going to ask one hard questions or anything that you can think of that is not on this list that you think we should be tracking anything on here that you think we should get rid of or modify and Chris. Well, again, you know, as I talked about for education with the SEDS, you know, and trying to make sure that we retain people who've come to Vermont for higher education or the ones that we already have, we're growing up in Vermont. I think one of the key pieces we hear from the people who are running for office statewide is childcare, in addition to the internet broadband and all those other things and so it's a very real concern we addressed it a little bit with pre K 10 years ago, eight years ago, and where are we now I mean obviously coming out of the pandemic. It's a dire need, and it's going to chase people out of the state as much as housing I think so I really think that needs to have a separate line item to be addressed because it's a quality of life issue that affects the affordability and whatever the legislature can do to help us in that regard. Abby agrees. And I think, you know, it's not just Vermont. I mean Vermont really struggles with that but based on some of the articles that are being from the National Municipality, a newspaper headlines, you know, the briefs I get every day. childcare really is an issue in a lot of places across the country, trying to get people to be able to go back to work. The COVID really did a number on childcare. So you know, and I think this, you may have been headed here or implied it, but the other thing I'll observe about Vermont residents staying or leaving is the cost of higher education. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to so when my daughter graduated nursing school from UVM and I talked to, I think it was 85 students and I probably talked to 20 of them. But there were at least a handful who were Vermont residents who left nursing school with substantial debt. So they went to University of Vermont. We're trained at the University of Vermont Medical Center, which even then they had a short of nurses, and we're going to other states because they couldn't afford to pay their student loans and work at the University of Vermont Medical Center. It strikes me as a pretty perverse economic scenario. And so I'll just point to that if we want to retain Vermont residents who are trained in Vermont to stay in Vermont. I think we need to focus on that as a specific kind of focus, as opposed to trying to backfill them with nurses who come from another state either as travel nurses or give you 10,000 hours to move here. Bart, I actually taken both of these last two comments is both on the legislative policy list but also probably for our sense. So I'm open Regina captured some of some of that. Bart, can I follow up on that is that what did they did they have to go out of out of state because of the cost of housing. No, no so specifically to just serve. It's a combination of income and housing so they go. Okay, I'm going to make X dollars here and pay Y dollars for cost of living. I pay somewhere else and I pay I earn X plus a and I pay even less than why, or maybe I pay a little more than why but my income is twice what it would be so I can afford both a higher housing and my student loans. Yeah, it's not unusual for kids graduating from those schools to be paying over $1000 a month in student loans that's not tax deductible. So that's a big chunk off your income off the top when you were starting at, you know, just over whatever it is now $45,000 a year or something. I understood thank you. Thank you. It's amazing. And this topic will come back, you know, certainly as we get ready for our legislative breakfast in December will kind of revisit this a little bit, try to prioritize a little bit more to any other comments on the topics. If not, then we'll move on to the next item on the agenda which is the Equity Advisory Committee update and training sessions. So I will, I'll take lead I guess on this but Emma if I miss anything please, please add. I think the one specific, well, two major things I want to talk about the committee, expanding the committee and also the training program. First, just because hopefully you saw, I think that was today, Emma, an email from Emma, inviting all the board members and alternates to participate in a series of equity training. And this was, we've talked about this a little bit over the last couple months. The first consultant creative discourse group is going to do a series of trainings on equity. The first couple are a little bit more internal training like I tried to help staff and committee and board members in our communications. And then we're kind of hoping that the expanded Equity Advisory Committee will be able to join in for the last couple of sessions. If you haven't please take a look at Emma's email inviting you I think the next one is, or the first one is Tuesday evening. So that's next Tuesday, the 26th. And any questions on the training program. I was going to say the email said you really if you're going to do it you need to do well for the committee. I'm really encouraged but I will also note that, you know, if you're not able to make each one of them that kind of between staff and the consultant team, we are happy to kind of supplement with any individual conversations. You have to catch you up if you can't make one. Don't let that rule out participating in any of them. It's better if you could hit, you know, two or three out of the four than none. And we'll, and we'll supplement that, you know, with some extra conversation or whatever that might take so that you don't miss too much content. Yeah, dear data. I'm just wondering for board members who participated in the more internally focused sessions. So will be offered to us if anything to do these what what is the difference between what we learned and been through and the next sessions on equity. I think these are a bit more from my understanding I think it's more practical application so I think it's more just giving you know walking through some scenarios and it's more interactive in terms of like how to apply this in your job and your life. So I think it is certainly different and each one does build on the next but so I think it's definitely worthwhile if you even if you did attend those and as Charlie said, though, don't let that, you know, if you can't attend all of them still, you know, if you can make it to to any of them, that would be great. Thanks. Um, you know, maybe I'm missing it or just had a brain cramp but I'm not readily finding what trainings on what date and time, maybe draw my attention to that. It was in an attachment to that email bar but I can. Let's see. I'm just trying to pull it up but it was in the attachment I think that there's like one in July all the way through October one one for month but it's in an attachment to today's meeting to the email that I sent to everybody today. So that one's from me yeah. Yeah, apologies yeah look for the email from Emma. So, so that was one part is the training and then I already mentioned kind of the good news we sent out a solicitation trying to expand our equity advisory committee with community members. And I can't remember how many people we sent that out to, you know, dozens of community members that we thought might be interested or, or have different perspectives that would contribute to a good conversation at that committee. And we did get, I think I counted them up as I think we got 16 folks that were interested. And we're following up with maybe another 10 or 12 folks that are you know have some have are seated in some places that we want to just double check to see if they might be interested. And also what the consultant is proposing is that we're going to have kind of a, I think a three hour workshop in mid September with this expanded group. Not anticipating that all of them will become formal advisory committee members, but that they could help us workshop and prioritize what we work on. I say that as a, in the broadest sense the committee the board staff, what we work on in the next couple years. So I think helping to have a robust conversation in mid September, with all those, the existing equity committee, which includes board members and staff, plus these additional community members to really help us refine the recommendations and the equity assessment report that we got at the end of last year. So, I guess that's, that's kind of the next step, but I think we're feeling quite encouraged by the community response and level of interest you know we send out one of those inquiries you never sure if you're going to hear crickets or if people care and I think in this instance we got a lot of people that care so which is great. Any questions on what's going on in the equity advisory committee process. Well, the one question that comes to mind though is, you know, with that many interested people which is really terrific how do you win it down to the number for the committee. Sorry. Yes. So, one of my questions I have for the consultant I think we're going to go through some natural attrition, you know folks that maybe are interested in helping us kind of set priorities, but then we're going to engage month to month in working on it. And also, and this is kind of a silly screening tool but you know we're going to have a challenge of just finding what when's the monthly meeting time. And that's going to, you know, with a wide range of community members, you know, there are some people that may not be able to do during the work week some people that may not be able to do weekends or evenings and so I think the conversation at the last equity advisory committee and Jackie or Mike pipe in if you'd like but was that there's probably it will probably naturally hone down to the the committed. I don't know how many, but we'll figure it out over the next couple months. And I expect that we'll have a smaller committee than the current level of volunteers for sure. Thank you. Yeah, Jackie, did you want to add in to that or I think you represented it well. I do believe the timing is going to be a challenge and I'm not sure everybody totally who's been invited totally understands what it's all about but they have some interest so it's good. And we also talked about, and we do this with our other committees to is the other committee members and then almost most of our committees have a list of folks that want to follow what's going on at the committee but not be a member. And so I expect we'll have, you know, I kind of refer to it as the CC list, like, folks that want to get the agenda and want the opportunity because they're all public meetings, so that, you know, they can look at the agenda if they want to weigh in on something and they'll always have that opportunity. So, but it is at least so far as encouraging. I'm feeling better about that. One of the other things that we'll be talking about, you know, before too long in the next month or two is when to define and re-institute the hiring process for the equity and engagement manager. So if you recall, we did, you know, advertise for that early in the calendar year, kind of step back, but really getting this equity committee kind of broadened to have support for the person in that job is a critical step here and so I think, you know, we may be advertising in parallel so that the committee and the staff person can come together this fall and we can really start making more progress in this, in that area. Any, yeah, any more questions? Thanks, Catherine. I don't see anything on my screen, so if there are no more questions or Charlie on the equity advisory committee updates, we will move on to poor Charlie. He's got the executive director's updates. Yeah. I have no one to blame but myself. So the first thing there was, we added one document to your packet, which was the expedited tip amendment that you got an email notice on a couple weeks ago so just to just so you had a record of what that finally was. We put it in, which was, you know, a very big tip minor tip amendment of you know, whatever $1415 million for the culvert on 89 enrichment. So that's just there. And then the other things and I'm sorry and scrolling here for a second. That's there, the broadband. I don't think we've really had a chance to catch you up with what's happening but Regina in particular has been doing a lot of work with the Vermont broadband board and our communities. You know, we have about 5% of our households that really do not have, you know, maybe hardly any broadband access with maybe the, you know, they're on DSL kind of dial up. And that the rest of the state is going to fiber, which is, you know, 100 megabytes up 100 megabytes down type of service. And we're most of our, the 95% of us that have service in Cheney County outside of Burlington are mostly on cable. So we're like 25 three or something at best. Maybe sometimes you can get a little bit more. Kurt, I saw it wasn't even 25 three. Gotcha. You can keep your mic off. I can read your lips. And so, I think the challenge has been as we've been talking to broadband board is like, Hey, this doesn't seem right. The rest of the state is moving to 100 100 and Cheney County is getting left behind at saying on cable. So I will say the broadband board and their, their director and deputy director have been really responsive to this issue and trying to work with us. When I say yes I really mean Regina on how to solve this issue. And, but after what 15 months of kind of wrestling with this Regina, it's becoming pretty clear that we probably do need to establish a communications union district. Really, if not if for no other reason than to be able to flow state and federal money into providers and create some financial. I'll call it gap assistance. You know there may be providers that are interested in providing fiber and increasing broadband service but there's a funding gap. And we really need a mechanism to be able to bring other dollars in and close that funding gap and the mechanism that the legislature has set up is the communications union district. And so Regina has been talking with. Well, most of our municipalities about getting something on the ballot. The statute requires a vote of the voters in order to form a communications union district at this point. And so I think we've talked to and Regina, I think South Burlington, Williston, Essex. And then Jericho. Tomorrow night. Westford. And mostly we have been focusing this conversation on the municipalities that are not served by Waitsfield Champlain telecom or Burlington telecom. So the southern part of the county really is likely Waitsfield Champlain telecom can access the funding directly, because they're a small service provider they don't need to go through a CUD. So, and that is happening already Bolton's funding is approved charlotte funding application I believe is at least submitted maybe also approved I'm not sure. So it's really more an issue for some of our more sort of central and northern town so that's who we've really been focusing the conversation with. And I'll just add to what Charlie said. So the funding itself when you look at what they're what they're providing to Chittenden County is miniscule because it's based on underserved roadway miles and that's very few, but one of the, but still that funding is really helpful. And maybe almost more importantly is this public entity will ensure that those on an underserved residents actually get service because if we sort of just sit back and let the private folks do their thing and over build cable with fiber, which they probably will do eventually we have a high enough density that there's a business model to do that. That does not mean that those folks who are underserved now are going to be served because they're still way out there at the end of the roads and really really hard to get to. So I think that this public not having to put this public model together the communications union district is pretty critical for that that component of it. I have a question. Since, since, you know, the town administrator took over the work that I faded out of the committee. I just want to make sure that this tomorrow is just for the vote to join a CD and then after that is the process to determine what the CD is and all the rules and everything else and what kind of providers you have etc etc etc. Yeah, the conversation so far are with the select boards are, do you want to present this question to your voters, do you want to ask the voters if they want to join a communications union district in Chittenden County. The idea here is we're trying to get that ballot question figured out in August so you can put this question on the general election ballot and not have an extra cost to the municipality of doing a special vote. And so that deadline is there's two deadlines but really the first one's a soft one that's August 9 and the more official deadline is August 17 I believe is when you have to get the question itself into the election system. Yeah, into the Secretary of State I think right. Yeah. Yeah, so and Catherine yes you're absolutely right. I think the first question is, you know, do you want to put it to your voters are they interested in joining this, you know, for the purposes of getting improved broadband service, and then assuming there's a positive vote in November. And we'll be able to do a little bit of work. One of the good things is because we're lagging, you know the other there's already nine CUDs I think in the state will be able to, you know, call out the best of their operating procedures and their bylaws and how they formed and you know kind of learn from what what they've done and hopefully it's a little quicker startup and you know and then they're the CUD, you know the municipal representatives that you point to that board. And we, we definitely fought the good fight of like do we really need another municipal government in Chittany County, but apparently the answer to that question, it seems to be. Yes. Yeah, because they just wouldn't give us the money. We did. Yeah, can you just write a big check and you know, but so anyway, yeah so just heads up. And I know this is a little bit of a weird conversation because we're having conversations only with some towns, and not others. So, feeling left out, there may be a reason if you're, but if you're not sure there's a good reason that you're being left out you know, contact me or Regina and we'll try to get you in into the conversation. Yeah, I'm not sure you'll get pushed back tomorrow night. You know, if you just might, but the other question that I know will probably come up as people will ask, you know, are you going to be able to over build, you know, so we get fiber rather than, you know, and that's that's the real And that the answer to that question, that would the intent seems to be yes. Just not with the federal or state dollars that's not the purpose of them, but the, but the companies will be coming to the table to do that, because that's what's actually going to make their business model work. Okay. Yep. Anything else on the broadband CD. I don't see on my list here was to let you know, we've had some conversations with this company that has a public engagement tool called Penelope. And we're, you know, kind of exploring it as it's if it's could be an effective additional tool in our public engagement toolbox. So South Burlington has been, you know, playing around, they've probably been leading the use of this. It's a, and Chris, if you remember consensus from a few years ago. This is kind of second generation consensus type app. You know, trying to get kind of folks that opt in to it's kind of a polling tool. Yeah, so you as a select board or us as a regional planning commission can send questions out to community members and get responses back. You know, and this is something we kind of always struggle with right of like how to get good feedback input from the community. So one of the things they do here is not just it's not Survey Monkey, it's kind of a verified resident survey tool. So they do go through a verification process, you know, like even using your ID and stuff so we're kind of talking with them and you are likely to be a guinea pig in this process at some point. So I've been saying, well, let's let's test it out and see how it goes. So this is really my heads up to you that you may get an email at some point from Emma saying, Hey, we're going to try using this tool see if you want to log in, you know, get this app on your phone and participate in us, you know, kind of basic survey tool and see how it goes. So that's heads up on that. Does that bring any questions to mind? There are lots of questions here but we have a lot of answers. And I was going to give Regina the opportunity to provide a little news if she's comfortable. Yes, I'm just wondering if we should do it in executive session. You think so. I'm not sure. I don't think you need to. Okay. It's going to be public tomorrow morning, right? Yeah. Okay. So, folks, I just want to let everybody know that I am one of two candidates for the Essex Junction city manager position. And it will be announced publicly tomorrow. So that's why I just panicked for for half a second that this is an open meeting and not necessarily my news to make publicly that's the city's position to do but I think it's fine. I just wanted to make sure you folks know and heard it from me before you saw it publicly. And I also want everybody to know that I by no means was intentionally looking to leave CCRPC. I love doing this work I love working with all the staff and all of you on the board. Just feeling like I am open to a new challenge and there aren't that many that I would be interested in. And so this opportunity happened and so I threw my name in and certainly not a done deal by any stretch. This is the beginning of the city's public process next week. There'll be a public forum presentation on Monday night and then my full day present invitation interview will be on Wednesday. So, yeah, that's, that's the news. So mixed feelings for sure I mean yeah kudos to Regina Dan I'm not talking to you. I have her again we'll see how this plays out. But now but and, and of course I will credit to Regina for you know all she's done and accomplished that that as extension is considering hiring her. I'm not going to try to make it easy on her or the city so I just want to full disclosure Dan, you know, like, we'll, we'll have a little wrestling match if we need to. Thank you for Gina. Thank you. Regina I think this is really exciting. And you're certainly if you get the job will be joining the city. A really interesting and pivotal transitional time, and I can't think of a better person to do it so good luck. Thank you Dana. We hardly ever hear that Dan did were you going to say something. No, um, I look forward to next week and we'll see what happens. What one know. Yeah. So, and those are tough interviews. That's a tough process to get through. Yeah, so yeah I don't envy Regina next week I think that so, but she'll have fun I'm sure and I do wish her all the best. And you know and we will, you know, we will adapt and manage through as needed so, but really wanted you all to have a heads up sorry Regina to put you on the spot like that. And Madam chair that's the end of my report and Regina's report. Well thank you I mean that's very exciting news but also, you know, sad, you know, to, if we have to lose her because she's been a terrific. She'll still have a connection. If you know things come to fruition for her, there'll still be. Yeah, I've worked with Regina way back in 2011, we must spend 2008 or actually before that, because it was the SRI. Yeah, a long time. This is barred thinking over the rest and there might be openings on various committees and groups that I could circle back around. I don't know if she'll have time for that part but it's a good idea. It's a good way to keep your hands in the process. Well, given that it's the end of the updates. As per usual the committee and liaison activities and reports are either in your packet or by link depending on your choice. And so we can now move to the phase of adjournment. I'll move we adjourn. Oh, we're raised his hand. Go red part. Yeah, I'm sorry before we adjourn I just wanted to put something on on your radar that I think will be of interest, you know, by some measures the discussions of regional dispatch go back 40 years. In a related matter, our Richmond Police Department police chief recently resigned we have an interim chief, I think we've had four chiefs in seven years something like that. And the select board has begun deliberations about what would it look like, what would it take to partner with a neighboring town. And that's somewhat daunting as prospect in terms of governance and all the things but I think given our conversations about regional dispatch here over the over time. It might be something that the Commission is interested in. I don't know how far it will go how fast. I'm just going to guess, not fast, but it is something that probably makes sense, you know, I've contemplated over time. How many towns of 4200. Do we need police chiefs in is it possible to share chiefs or share departments or, you know, so there's a couple of potential models. I just want to put that on people's radar in case it wears of interest. And we're really at like the starting line we haven't crossed the starting line yet, but just bring bring it to your attention. Thank you word. I mean, as a town that has no services like that we just use the state police or the sheriff so and we're a larger town. You know, someday they say, you know, the state keeps threatening to take the state police away so I mean, these are discussions that other towns will be having. That's for sure. So I do now back to the other topic at hand I think Chris was the one who motion to adjourn. Do we have a second. This is part I will second that. Well, all those in favor say aye. Have a good night all. Thank you.