 Hey, good morning guys. Welcome to the worship ministry course. It's again Good to know that you're doing well Hey Prince, can I request you to start us off with a prayer, please? Thank you, do you have any father's love to you given One more day Lord in our life. Thank you in this time I submit to you. Lord, I am going to learn your word from the worship ministry. Lord, help us to learn your word and help us to how you organize us to your kingdom and your worship Lord Thank you. I submit all the students and to the pastor Lord in your mighty hand. Help us to understand. I submit all things to you Amen, thank you Sorry, thank you Prince Let me go ahead and share my screen So last week we started off with chapter 3 that's worship ministry as an introduction Okay, so let's do a quick recap of What we've covered so far from this chapter. Okay, so in this chapter We basically saw that worship ministry is very different from only leading worship so if your understanding of worship ministry was Only if you thought that worship ministry is only about leading worship every Sunday No, it's not just that. Okay, but it's a lot more to it than that. Okay There are so many skills that you are expected to possess that have okay And because it can be challenging And because it is very demanding as a person You know, you need to make sure that there are four certain relationships that That you need to keep it healthy for you to be effective and Successful and in this ministry. Okay, so those that four relationships Well, your relationship with God Okay, no matter how busy you think you can get and What not, you know, whatever the reason or excuse that you come up with Just make sure that your relationship with God is on point. It's not compromised. Okay, and your relationship with your family Okay, you're as we see that your first church is your family they observe they they watch you they watch your life and Your responsibility is to minister to them first as well because they are they are your first church so having a healthy relationship with your family members is very essential to how long your last and worship ministry. Okay, and The third relationship that makes or breaks is Your relationship with your senior pastor Okay Now and if you're the senior pastor your relationship with your worship pastor as well, so a couple of things that needs to That you would need to be aware of is Three vital ingredients for a healthy relationship between pastor and worship pastor is one is that you respect each other You take each other's thoughts and ideas into consideration you take the church's situation or the circumstance or the condition into consideration, okay, and Then finally communication. It's key Communicate there is no such thing as over communicating with each other especially within the team of of a pastoral team Okay keep you know Keep keeping your pastor in the loop keeping your pastor updated. It's very essential. Okay Your pastor might not always like it. It's like a what is this guy? Yeah, he's just Talking too much or it's okay, right? It's better than having no communication You know because the the line is so thin. You don't know which is enough which is too much So by the time we figure out, okay, I shouldn't cross this line what not you've wasted a lot of time not communicating Right, so it's important to just keep giving an update of what's happening where you are in your walk in your spiritual life As well. Okay, so communication is very important to keep your relationship with your pastor healthy. Okay And the fourth relationship is with your extended team members People who are serving with you You know in the worship team with you, okay, and so that's another key so be proactive You know be the first person to you know message and ask hey, how are you doing? How's life? What's happening? Etc. Etc. Okay, so as a leader you make an effort To get to know your people. Okay to encourage them to you know if they're feeling burnt out Because if there are say for example 20 people in your team under your supervision All 20 of them will be going through different life challenges and You as a shepherd, which will actually look in the next chapter as one of your roles It's your responsibility in a way to Encourage them to keep them motivated to you know make sure that they are on the right track in their walk with God Okay, so that's the four relationship that can make or break us And we saw a couple of goals of for the worship ministry is you nurture people You are being you know, you are creating a culture consistent and a beautiful worship atmosphere environment for people to flourish as well, okay Establishing longevity in the volunteer force Okay, and all of this happens by nurturing if the first point is taking care of this again And the third point is a default is a result of the first point, okay? And from there on we looked at the daily tasks of running a worship ministry a daily tasks You know what goes on on a daily basis on running a worship ministry? Okay, the first one is scheduling and rostering teams Okay, in this we saw there are two different methods and how you can go about rostering teams One is the team model. The other is the band model Okay, and I hope you remember and I had the time to go through this because I don't have the time to just go Through all of it again. Okay, so understanding the team model and the difference between the team model and band model Which will help your worship ministry and your church is very crucial. Okay That's the one of the tasks. The second tasks is pastoring your team members. Okay, same Just goes back to that fourth relationship that says, you know, take care of your team members You extended team members the task of meeting with your pastor again in connection with communication That's what happens in the meeting with your pastor, isn't it? You are communicating your vision your goal your desires for your ministry for worship ministry You know the plans for worship ministry for that calendar year or you know for the next five years Okay The task of budgeting and paying the resources, you know for this you will also, you know If your church has an accountant that's in charge of the payments and whatnot You are closely working with that person as well as they okay You know the payment needs to be made for this for that institution or for that vendor Because we used so and so for this worship shoot. We hired, you know, two three cameras Etc. Etc for you know for the video shoot. I'm just giving an example and I hope you get it I say you're working closely with an account with your ministry's accountant as well To make sure that the budgeting and paying resources are in check and Budgeting also involves approval from your senior pastor, right? I mean, I'm not sure how it will be in every other ministry But like so at least at APC what we do is if you are planning for an event Say worship retreat, right? We get the budget from the From the place of baby, we will be staying or going to write a campsite So we get okay. How much is it per head? You know per person per night or per day and so they'll give us a court And we kind of negotiate everything and then we go to pastor and say it's like pastor This is the budget. This is the court that we're getting. What do you think about it? You know, we speak with him for approval and whatnot. So based on that That's another task that you go about doing, you know, in worship ministry the task of planning music for you. Okay We cannot we cannot talk about worship ministry and not about music because it isn't more, right? So task of planning music is very crucial. Okay, and The task of sharing in the wider pastoral work of the church So as soon as you start working for the church With the church You are open to also help out in other ministries if if if and when needed, right? So when if someone from the same media comes and asks for help, you know, and it's not necessarily in your job description You know on the paper you you're not going to say it's like, hey, it's not my job description. That's not my responsibility. Don't bother me. But you know, it's very different working in the In a church is that you you have to be open to help. That is taking this task of sharing in the wider pastoral work is like helping another person You're called the and whatnot and also knowing when to say no Okay, like if you if there are certain responsibilities for the day that you have to do and you have not finished You know, you know, you know, you're not going to say it's not my job description. That's not my responsibility. Don't bother me If there are certain responsibilities for the day that you have to do and you have not finished It's okay to say no say I'm yet to complete my task If I'm free, I will let you know, okay So the heart of our serving should always be there but not at the cost of compromising in your work in your task Right. So that's the task and finally we saw the task of honing your musical and leadership skills Okay, it's not just musical skills. It's also the leadership skills because worship ministry is a huge part of it is about how you lead people And is your leadership skills up to power? Okay, I'm sure you are learning a lot of that. You must have learned a lot of that in Christian leadership course Right. Cool. So that was a seven tasks and tasks of daily tasks of worship ministry and from there on we went into chapter four Which is worship ministry in the local church, which is the organizational aspect of it. Okay So again, once again guys, I know that it's too early for me to ask this but What is there any other thoughts or questions that you had about chapter three the previous chapter? Yes. No, maybe Okay, fantastic. Thank you, Siddharth Great. So organizational aspect in chapter four we saw that how the worship ministry at APC is organized Okay, so one thing you have to realize is that I've only mentioned worship ministry under pastor here right But if you just, you know, imagine that there are several invisible boxes beside this like there's children ministry There's so many other ministry that comes under the supervision of the pastor Right, so it's a really really engaging for the senior pastor of the church That's why it makes the communication and follow-ups all the more important because pastor here is, you know, is is overseeing The media ministry, the children ministry, worship ministry and so on so so forth. Okay So again, it's just to emphasize on the point of communication. It's very crucial. Okay So at APC, this is how it's organized. You can see the chart there All right And a very briefly in page 41 The next page basically we see briefly the role of a pastor in context to worship ministry Okay, the role of a pastor in context to worship ministry Okay, so he's the one who provides the general vision direction motivation He meets with the worship pastor. He does this is my heart for the year And this is where I would like to see the church go in the area of worship or church grow in the area of worship Okay, so he sets the tone And also his life as an example You know the call to be a worshiper that is very crucial Okay And also It's not only the worship pastors role to teach the congregation on worship, but it's also the senior pastors role to Not only be a worshiper, but also teach on worship Okay So this is where we kind of stopped last class and this is quite a recap Right to do. I hope you are with me. Okay, and And have been able to absorb some of these Common points, but very important foundational points and keys, you know In worship ministry and now we will look at the role of the worship pastor Okay, the worship pastor provides overall leadership for congregation Band singers and in most churches the sound team the slide projection team during worship He provides overall leadership for again under and there are a lot of teams under his supervision And so the leadership skills You don't have to be perfect, but then you have to keep learning and how to improve how to get better how to get better Because we all learn from mistakes, isn't it? So keeping that in mind the seven roles Offer of the worship pastor Okay Okay The seven principle a role of worship ministry leadership that will keep your ministry Growing deep and strong for a long time. Okay First up the role of the worship pastor The worship pastor as a priest What does he do so we help to bridge people's connections with God Okay, what did the priest to do right in the Old Testament priest? He represented the nation of Israel the high priest right he went in And he represented he was the connection You know of divinity and humanity one person represented all of All of the nation of Israel so Worship pastor as a priest It's a huge huge role right the word priest may project the fall Images of flowing robes clerical colors the e-ford etc etc If that's what come to your mind You may respectfully toss those mental images to the side for now But as a priest in the purest sense of the term It simply means a bridge builder Okay, like we just discussed that The high priest was a representative for between God and The nation of Israel it was a bridge You may prefer to think of it as as a pastoral role in your church community and worship ministry But with a different twist. Okay, so One of your roles as a worship pastor Is you are a bridge builder Okay Now the bridge is not always, you know, it's it's two ways in it. It's not just point eight point B No, it's point B and point a as well. Okay That's the beauty of the high priest is When the high priest went before God he represented Israel And when the high priest came back to the people of Israel he represented God So there's two way, you know representation that is happening That's what a bridge does isn't it so you go and then you can come back on that same bridge So your role as a worship pastor and I pray that you will The Holy Spirit will continue to empower and reveal To you the role of a bridge builder or as a priest Okay You're constantly working towards building a bridge and connecting people to God and vice versa The second role is the worship pastor as a prophet Okay, we challenge the church to follow Jesus and actually be disciples The word prophet may similar to the word priest above conjure up an image of a beard figure We just is with some long stick and whatnot. Okay, or you may think of someone if you're a more charismatic circles They regularly offers what they believe God is speaking to them, you know, it's it's not always about the same the Lord and whatnot right But in this case We're going right back to the Hebrew roots. That means that mean to prophesy At its foundation to prophesy means simply to speak or sing or by inspiration Inspiration, okay to prophesy means to speak or sing By inspiration, okay that word inspiration here, right? It comes from The Latin word in spirit means in spirit Okay in spirit. It's the Holy Spirit in us. He is the one who inspires us to speak and sing and also it I think There's another there was another word that comes from the same word as inspiration and in spirit. Oh is You know these old church cathedrals. You must have seen these old, you know, like they had it has this pointy things right like different You know this old architectures this cathedrals if you've seen but that's called An in in spirit or something. Okay, it simply means pointing upwards You know pointing towards the sky so another takeaway from that is like, you know to prophesy simply means You know to speak or sing in the inspiration which always points upwards to God, right? So in that sense, we are always seeking to speak as those speaking the very words of God to people Okay, so again very similar to bridge builder the priest All right, let's go on The third role of a worship pastor is simple a worship pastor as teacher We teach, you know, we educate the worship team members. We we teach them on worship. We lead by we have to lead by example Okay, we educate the church about worship and what it means to be a worshiping Christian To walk a life of worship Right one of the famous definitions for worship is worship is a lifestyle Worship is not just a genre of music. It's it's it's not just a language It's like I said, it's not not only about a style of music and whatnot, but worship is a lifestyle right in everything that you do Do as though you were doing it unto God Paul writes right so your life should teach at the same time also teach like Again, you if you know if if you've been an APC, you know that there is weekend schools that happens, isn't it? Every every first Saturday of the month and then there are multiple workshops and seminars So all of those are educational mediums where we teach and equip the congregation We keep it open for the congregation to come spend an entire day and learn on a topic And one of the topics that you can teach on is worship. Okay, so worship pastor. It is your responsibility to also teach your teacher Okay, and then the worship pastor As a pastor we care for our community as shepherds Recognizing the lines of leadership. Okay The shepherding the people in worship ministry takes patience But God seems to back the effort over time with grace and strength that grows in the team Okay Breeds I mean second Timothy chapter 2 is a wonderful chapter on pastoral encouragement that Paul gives to his young mentor Mentory that's Timothy right find it in your heart to lead and to lead as a pastor So You know you see this one of the key words there when which is very popular In the in the pastoral circle at least is Most you know we often refer to a pastor as a shepherd, isn't it a shepherd of the flock Right But if you actually Just study it But if you actually Just study a little deeper Of how the life of a shepherd was back then. Okay, for example when David writes the Lord is my shepherd Okay, and Dave David was also already a shepherd. He was also a shepherd before he became a king and whatnot right You know when when we think of a shepherd taking the flock You know sheeps and goat going into you know for grazing We think of the mountains being full green like uterine chill or you know cashmere is so beautiful and green and lush Switzerland or something. Okay But in the israel's region Okay In the it's called the wilderness of it's a Judean wilderness that's it simply means it's like a desert like almost like a barren land Okay It rains only Two months in the whole year Not much during December Jan. Okay But otherwise the terrain is pretty dry and rough and whatnot And the shepherd will take his flock and he'll be gone for long hours Okay, so if a shepherd as a shepherd I take my flock and go at six o'clock in the morning I will not be back until like late seven Or 8 p.m. That's a long time to be out there in the wilderness all by yourself There's no one to talk to you. It's just you and the flock And so when you think of Pasturing, you know As you know as a shepherd It is challenging isn't it? You know shepherding people as you need to have a lot of patience you need to care for them You need to know where to take as a shepherd to take the flock and go, you know, okay If I take them I know that that's where green pasture is I know where to take them for still waters I know where to take them so that they can lie down in green pastures I know the paths of righteousness the shepherd should know all of this That was expected right And so that is the same as expected of us as as worship pastors and as pastors You know, how good a shepherd are we do we know where to lead our people for green pastures? Do we know where to lead our you know our people for you know for rest and and still waters I'm speaking of course in sound 23 language. Okay, but But yeah, I hope we all you don't get that point Okay, so worship pastor as a pastor shepherding your people with care is very important And the fifth role of a worship pastor is A worship pastor as an intercessor Okay, what comes to your mind when you hear the word intercessor or intercession? What comes to your mind guys? I'm asking you a question Okay, they say someone who stands between the gap. Okay. Thanks Dave mediator Okay Praying for someone. Yes So simple as that isn't it. Yeah. Thank you Aaron. What else what else what else? Okay connect Someone who is there on behalf of me Yeah, what else comes into sister. Give me some of the names You know from the Bible who interceded Okay, Abraham also give me an example. Okay When you say Abraham, what exactly so which incident I know what you're doing Which is that you're referring to but I want you to say it as well anybody Abraham Dave or Aaron You can unmute and speak Right praying for the city of Sodom and Gomorrah. He said okay, even if they're Like there are 10 people will you save the city will you not destroy the city like Abraham intercedes for the city? Isn't it? Okay, that's Abraham. Okay who intercedes for the city of Sodom and Gomorrah. Okay Kiran you mentioned David So when does he intercede? Give me an example. I don't know if I get so many Jesus prayed. Okay, but was that really intercession? Okay, fine, which But yeah, Jesus did you know in In John chapter 17 as well. It's one of the most beautiful prayers of intercession. Okay Abraham. So yeah And a couple of examples when you think of Moses right when God God is like I'm going to destroy the stiff neck people I'm not gonna go with them and Moses is like, okay, they are not my people. They are your people You know, I didn't deliver them you delivered them, you know Yeah, Moses who interceded that way. Okay, and Okay, how many of y'all you know know about Esther as they interceded isn't it she calls for a fast She intercedes right she interceded. She's tired. She stood in the gap. Isn't it so They similarly this example of an example. Okay. There's actually a book called all the prayers in the Bible And all the in and also I think there's not sure who's the author but all the intercessory prayers in the Bible. So guys There's this role of a pastor as an intercessor You see all these people and all of them were leaders like you think you look at Moses Moses was actually a shepherd Isn't it for 40 years? He took care of his father-in-law's flock like you know pastor a shepherd Okay, but he was also an intercessor and Abraham also comes from the lineage from the unit of Flocks, so even you when you read Genesis it says that he had a lot of flock right when he came back from Egypt He had a lot of flock and a livestock etc So Was a pastor a shepherd as an intercessor all of these people key leaders in the Bible interceded It simply means like you all said standing in the gap In between something in between someone right and literally saying okay Abraham What he was doing is like God's wrath. He wanted to pour on Solomon Gomorrah. He said like no way He's in the middle Abraham was in the way. He was standing in the gap. He was requesting praying You know something something be done And like Aaron also mentioned it simply means you know praying for someone right In the last year and a half at least almost two years now Right during the pandemic on COVID How many times have you said I'm praying for you I have said many many times In the last year and a half I've said I'm praying for you more than I've ever said in the last 32 years of my life I'm exaggerating a little bit but not that much You know it's intercession is simply that you know And it's so much in line with being proactive as a leader and saying like you know just sending a message saying like hey Siddharth, I hope you are doing well I'm praying for you Just letting the person know that you are praying for them You know is your role as an intercessor Okay, and let me just pause and say that We need intercessors In our church in our ministries You know it's not the most What do I say it's It's not the most glamorous role You know it's not one of those roles where you get where one person gets the spotlight Unlike worship leaders is under the spotlight the lights and whatnot on the stage But intercessors role has always been behind the scene And we need more people who are willing to pray behind the scenes We need intercessors so a worship pastor as an intercessor is not just another point fifth point there But I really hope that you know God will just take you deeper into that role and reveal the beautiful call of intercessor Over all our lives, okay And the sixth point here is Worship pastor as a mentor Okay, we're always looking for the person to fill our shoes and to fill the needs of exemplary worship leaders in our community Okay, we're always looking to train and equip younger generation or the other person to eventually take over the role of what you were doing So it is important right Why this point is important and why I wanted to just mention here is that You've been in charge of a role for a long time as a leader Like you've been the worship pastor, let's say for 10 years or whatnot And there hasn't been a single person who was trained to take over the role when you leave So what happens when you leave there's this incredible gap or void You know, it's like, okay, this is confusion here. Okay, what do we do? What do we do? Okay, this person used to do all of this All of this now and there's nobody who knows to do all of that because nobody was trained So you take it again as a leader you take it on yourself You know to just go that extra mile and say is like, hey, you know, I want to teach you on this I want to teach you on how to put the song list. I want to teach you on how to roster a worship team I want to teach you on how to teach. I want to teach you how to pray. I want to walk with you I want to teach you how to lead how to be a leader how to handle certain situations How to confront certain people, certain attitudes in a people that is not correct How to do all of these things. So it's very important as a leader that you begin having a mentee with you And start training them. So one of the very popular procedure in mentoring process is this Okay, the mentor says I do it You watch me do it I will teach you to do it Then you do it with me Then I will do it with you Then you do it on your own And then the cycle continues you mentor others Okay, so let me just walk through this points again So first progression in mentoring progression is I mean once again guys, this is something that I follow when I have to train someone I'm not saying this is how you should do it But it's I felt like this is a very easy pathway like a map, you know, to train someone So the first point I'm not even going to talk to that person Okay, and I'll just do what I'm doing for a while And then I'll invite that person to watch me do it I'm not going to teach that person that person is just going to watch me do whatever it is, you know, if it's a worship leading you can you can put it down And then I will teach you how to do it. I will I will open up my thought process What is, you know, what is my workflow when it comes to this, I will teach you to do it And then I will let you do it with me Okay And then I will do it with you that means the your mentee will take the lead and you are just there to support And this point, the sixth point is that the mentee does it on their own without you being there Okay, this is in my opinion is a very nice mentoring progression But if you like it, you know, you can you can use it, it'll be very helpful and effective, I believe Okay, so that is the sixth point of a worship pastor as a mentor And finally, once again, not a very popular and a glamorous role, but the worship pastor as an administrator Everybody said amen, the worship pastor as an administrator We order resources and steward people's energy to achieve lasting results Okay, the gift of administration doesn't often come up on many worship leaders, spiritual gift tests What is your gifts? Okay, I'm an incredible administrator Yeah, it doesn't come by default But I always remember again, you know what Pastor Ashish says, if you could just mix your spiritual gift with a skill of administration God will use you mightily, mightily Okay, because that's what he was told by another person He said another pastor told Pastor Ashish, if you can just bring your spiritual gifts and your anointing With the skill of administration, organized administration, your ministry will be very successful and effective Okay, so administration is very important So I've been part of this in the local church before where the worship pastor was not necessarily weak But then certain things could have been improved in terms of administratively So you ask yourself this question, what are the weaknesses that needs to be worked on and you improve in that area Okay, it could be just having an organized way to conduct the audition or in sending out a roster An organized way, an administered way of how a Sunday morning should look like The practice timing, etc, etc So there is no chaos, administration is simply just that, isn't it? Making sure that there is a clean flow of everything that you do That's it, that's all administration is There's a simple workflow in everything that you do That means once you have this simple workflow in your administration Then the next person who follows you will know even if you're not there to a certain extent Okay, the work becomes easy because of the simple workflow chart that you have created Okay, that also is another form of administration Okay, then don't be hesitant to buy certain tools if that will help you For example, a few administrative tools that can help you is a scheduling tool How to plan a set All of this is available online now, guys Community building tools, for example A core team, appoint people to task but do so slowly It's always easier to appoint than to disappoint So delegate, have a core team in your worship ministry Have a team of six to eight people They are the core team that you discuss with Who will help you with the administrative process Once again, at APC we have a core team that will help Okay, it's not just me and Pastor Jake's who is the worship pastor at APC And I help him and every time we plan for a worship retreat It's not just two of us who is running around everything On the day of the retreat there are individuals There is a certain team that takes care of the sound And games if you have to do that Just like a Sunday morning it has to be organized, it is administered So having a core team will always be helpful Okay, so those are the seven roles of the worship pastor Okay, are you guys tired already? That's a lot of roles for worship pastor Any questions guys so far or anything that you want to add I'm going to stop sharing now Before we go for a break With the seventh points that we've covered, does it make sense? Were you able to follow and understand? Okay, any questions? Siddharth, Kannan, all okay Friends, Dave Okay, awesome I'll go ahead and stop the recording now And