 k braceleti na kuhilikini ensuda sakia kukia masingi kumaweobiira ta2 kuipil Ya MEga unhasu Ya *** Beli wanaus wetu maa importomba niye kakisha kwebe paa neza kika palu n고دة Lyand Mani��는 kusia ni, kwa jbini mafini kweza haka Uwazbini nobini kwa bidi naqabini kwa kisha kafia k isa. Or, kwa dubini kwa kisha kafia kwa kisha? Yote k자 продasubu ni, kwa kisha kwa kisha kwa kisha kwa kisha. Ok? Do you know, do you know that the 54 African countries, 54 African countries, their trade portfolio with the EU is less than 2 percent, less than 2 percent, what is it that we are going to trade with DRC? What does DRC grow? If you know the economics of the Democratic Republic of Congo, what do they grow? Not even tomato, not even onion. Yes, they have minors, but what do they grow that we are going to refeed DRC using the Kasumbalesa border post, where 90 percent of the trade there is illegal? It doesn't bring my name, you know, to ZDRI and that has been going on, my friend from 1962 when Congo became, Belgian Congo became independent, now DRC, from 1964 when ZDRI became independent, whom is he telling? Unless he is telling a chap who is 20 years old or 10 years old that he is going to improve trade and that's why he is going to DRC. There is no trade, any significant trade between Zambia and the DRC, zero to change the lives of Zambia. Don't you think that can be rectified, saying that it's been happening for that many years, now that we have new leadership in place and try to find a way to monetize whatever is going on at Kasumbalesa border and make sure Zambia ends more money from the exports that we make to Congo? Peter, you ought to understand the history, you ought to read and understand the history of African countries. They are colonial history and they are post-colonial history. If you understand that, you'll be ashamed to make some of the statements that we hear from African leaders. I was watching an Al Jazeera program which was an interview of President Pokagame of Rwanda and the interviewer asked him and President Museveni of Uganda talked to one another and Kagame, a candidate as he always is, said no. We have border differences, so I don't talk to him. So you must understand the history of colonial Africa and if a church understands, I'm sure in the field of economics where, which is his field, he must have read a bit of history. He must have read a bit about even political economy, okay? If he did, he can't stand at the airport and tell us that this trip is going to improve trade between DRC and it. Like I've said, there is no production in DRC Bwana apart from the mimos. That country is at war and it has been at war since the assassination of Patris Lumumba in 1963. It has been at war. It's a country that is unable to get any benefits from its resources. They have no infrastructure in terms of roads. I remember speaking to one diplomat after the last election of Kabira and I said to him, how did you guys certify the election in DRC when less than half of the registered voters, no, the ballot papers didn't reach not even half the country. You know what his answer was? Winter, DRC is a very difficult country. There are places where there are completely no roads and you can't take any ballot box there for purposes of an election. You can't take, so the democracy that they are telling us about DRC is a facade. It's a charade. It's a phony. And yet here is the president Agenda Ejirema who thinks that a country like that has trade capacity. Because trade means you are saying to us that let's trade with Congo, with DRC so that I can improve the lives of Zambians as president of Zambia. That's what you are saying to me. But I can tell you that I'm repeating myself. There is no economic hardly, maybe not no, hardly any economic activity in DRC that can impact Zambia. They have had the joint, what do you call them, joint commission, permanent commission, JPC between Zambia and Congo for many years. The only thing that we see, people sit around a big table, others speaking French, translated into English and vice versa. They are meeting in Indola. After that, kafaku progress. So according to you Mr. Kavimba? Having us wanting to trade with Congo and it being beneficial for Zambia is a pipe dream. Not according to me, according to history. Not according to me. This is documented. Can it be fixed? If you are going to fix it, don't start by dreaming that one trip can fix it. Don't start by dreaming. That's a dream. That's a pipe dream. To justify a trip to DRC and you say that I'm going to fix trade. That's not possible. If you say one of my long term objectives is to see how I can get the little that Congo produces. The little that Congo produces for the benefit of Zambia. Maybe. But to give a press briefing at the airport. And say oh no, you know that I'm going away. Because I have to pay a cater score and present to Shikedi. And also see how we can boost the trade. There's nothing to boost it between Zambia and DRC. But this is a good market for Zambia at the end of the day Mr. Kavimba. There's no system. If you look at it, the peasant farmers and everybody that has some sort of, the rare chickens, they sell the eggs. This is a huge market where Zambians can actually go and trade for. Yes, yes, I agree. But we know that the Zambia into Congo, do you know that the banking system in DRC is almost down to its knees? I can give you $20 here to send somebody to Congo. It won't arrive there. You send it through Bangladesh Bank here. It will not arrive in Congo. So what did you try to talk about? You can't get an ALC for importation export of goods to DRC. Please read. Let me read the history of DRC. And not just go there and be confined to a table and read the speeches with the Zambian flag behind and the Congo. No, read the history of the DRC and then you get to appreciate that statement. It's hollow. Do you think this is good for Zambia though? Yes. From a Zambian perspective, regardless of whatever is going on in the Congo, those are their problems. But for us as a market, because we are looking for a market, we want to sell our farming products, we want to insert money from the DRC. Yes. So isn't that good for us? We do the trade, we sell to Congo? Isn't that a good market? I said at the beginning that 90% of the trade between Zambia and Congo, the export trade from Zambia into Congo, is illegal. Illegal in the sense that there is no tax pay to ZRAA. Okay? I'll tell you a story of a friend of mine who was doing a bit of business in the DRC. He said to me he was at the border one time and a man came with a truckload of 200 goats. Okay? For sale. You know what he was doing? He was getting one goat at a time, put it on a leash and walk with it like a pet through the border post. He came back, put another goat on a leash and came back. No papers, no nothing. It took him almost three to four hours to take the 200 goats across. Then he goes there, notice it, he gets paid in dollars, he walks back. Now is that a trade that we are talking about that would benefit Zambia? No. I think the president earlier alluded to the fact that he recognized the illegal trade that happens at the Kasumbalesa border post and he says we must find a solution to it and make sure that ZRAA actually collects taxes from whatever trade is going on there. That is what I'm saying. His statement is correct. What I'm telling you is that this has been an endemic problem. Kaunda left it, MMD left it and I don't see a lying government like UPND fixing it. That's all that I'm saying.