 With your help, we can continue to fight for freedom. This is not possible without your generosity. Join our quest for the truth and our freedom. Simply visit www.realitycheck.radio forward slash donate to make a difference today. Now it's time for Camus Buddies. This week, we'll find out what they think about Winston Peters state of the nation speech and the media reaction to it. My producer has them all lined up and ready to go. So let's go now to Camus Buddies. Welcome to Camus Buddies, Miles. Good to have you back. Good afternoon, Cam. How are you this afternoon? I'm always a box of birds. Just got off interviewing Winston Peters. So, you know, it's a whole heap of fun when you're interviewing him. Speaking of Winston Peters, he made a speech, a state of the nation speech on the weekend and the media reported it as him saying he was comparing co-governance to the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. What are your thoughts on the speech and the media reaction to it? Well, I didn't listen to it. I had a read of it. I'm still applauding, actually. Does that make me a Winston file? Yes, it does. But actually, everything he said made a lot of sense. And I'm really pleased that he had the chutzpah to stand up and say it. Now, you're a bit of an expert on German military and German history. I won't go into too much detail about precisely what you're an expert on. Do you think there was anything wrong with what he was saying? Not at all. I mean, goodness me. Everything today is just like, oh my goodness, you know, this is, he's might feel upset, they might feel upset. Good Lord. I mean, these people need to reign it in and they need to understand that they are the ones with the problem, not Winston Peters. Winston Peters is trying to get across a message of how the country needs to change. And I, for one, applaud that. Good on him. And let's be honest. He's a smart politician. He knows darn well how to make the media cycle or should I say how to dominate the media cycle or the news cycle or whatever you want to call it. And he's doing just that, I think. Well done, Winston. You're bringing the concerns forward. Yeah, I've been sent a little image about the Holocaust and Nazi Germany. And it starts off by saying it didn't start with gas chambers. It started with one party controlling the media, one party controlling the garbage, one party designing what is truth, one party censoring speech and controlling the opposition, one party dividing citizens into us versus them and calling on their supporters to harass them. It started when good people turned a blind eye and let it happen. And when I saw that, I thought, you know what? We've seen that. We saw that between 2020 and 2023, didn't we? We certainly did. And you will recall one day when we decided to have a road trip and left Auckland and saw all the barriers being put up. And on our return, we had like five kilometer traffic jams on State Highway One as the police were trying to check people into Auckland. And I think I said at the time, this isn't New Zealand. This is like checkpoint Charlie. This is control above and beyond what was needed at the time. And I still to this day, shudder to think how close, or actually, we weren't even close. We were there. We were in a state controlled by one person and a compliant media. And I think the Winston Peters. Yeah, Winston's did right. They created an us and a them mentality and set about abusing, othering, demonizing, ostracizing the ones that wouldn't comply. It was exactly the same. And I remember when I wrote about it and said, this is the same thing. I had all these people howling, oh, you can't do that. You can't say that about what happened in Germany. It's nothing like what happened. It's exactly what happened. And anybody who's ever been through Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem, goes on a pathway through the museum that takes you on those exact same steps. There was little steps all along the way. It didn't start with the gas chambers. It started with a control of the media and a control of one party. Yeah, and look, I mean, Winston's right in his State of the Nation when he says, look, we're all the same DNA. Let's actually call an end to this elitism that sprung up around, I don't know, there's all sorts of things. There's elitism around disinformation and misinformation. There's elitism around who owns the water. There's all of this elitism. And if you look at it, Winston's right, it needs to end. It's divisive, it's causing more harm than good. And I believe there is no justification at all. And pin me to the wall and call me a donkey. But if the Treaty of Waitangi is going to be used in this way, then I think the people that are doing it, they are subverting our great nation. And I don't think it is something that should continue. I think it should be nipped in the bud. I think that people have had enough. Well, you know, the media are the ones who have actually misrepresented what Winston Peters said. He never said that co-governance was the same as Nazi Germany. He never said that co-governance was like the Holocaust. He simply said, if you have policies that are based on the superiority of one race that leads to disaster, and he's absolutely right 100% on that. Correct. And isn't it interesting? Just a few short days ago, the media were wailing and weeping about how they have lost eyeballs or advertisers' dollars to the extent that they've had, yeah, and trust, to the extent that they've had to close down. Well, now, in a split second, we can see why. It's unbelievable. You're 100% right. It is exactly the reason why people no longer trust the lying legacy media. They just keep telling lies and they expect us to keep sucking it up and we see them. We can see what they're about. And every time they announce more job losses, there's this thunder clap of hurrays from across the nation that damn near defends me. Yeah, and the other thing is, Hickins needs to pull his head in. Who is he? Is he the head of the nasty party? What's all this pettiness calling Winston a drunk uncle? But I tell you what, Winston had the last laugh. He had a good old serve on the whining Hickins. And I think Hickins got a slap in his tail between his legs at the moment. That's exactly right. And that's exactly what I just talked about with David Farrah and Simon Lusk. And on that note, Miles, I'll let you get away. I know you're on a timeline and I've got literally waiting to come in. So I better leave you. Thanks for your call. Okay, thanks, Cam. We'll catch you next week. Okay. Welcome to Cam's Buddies and Lee. Good to have you back again. Oh, hi, Cam. Yes, good to hear from you. Are you well today? Of course I'm well. I'm always well. Even if I'm not, I'll say I'm well. Well, it's not that long ago you were complaining about a sore head, you know. I didn't know what had happened to you. Oh, well, I don't know what happened either other than I took a shortcut through the handbasin in the bathroom on the way to the floor. Oh, not wise. No, it hurt like hell. But I'm a Comanche. We don't complain about these things. We just get on with it. Exactly. Now, talk about this week. What's the subject today? Yeah, subject the way is Winston Peters' State of the Nation speech. Did you see it? Have you read it? And the reaction is on the media about it. Yes, yesterday the headline shot across my iPad of the scandalous things that Winston Peters had said. So I thought I'd better listen to it. So yesterday I listened to it twice as a matter of fact. And sure enough, it was taken completely out of context, though just fuelling the flames of division yet again, haven't learned a thing. But I'd like to try and explain to listeners who might not know this. But I think a lot will. What's actually happening here? Mm-hmm. Go for it. OK. Mainstream media is embroiled in radical left-wing ideology. And I think it's not a matter of them not learning. I think they actually think that their duty is to convert New Zealand to their way of thinking. Quote Winston Peters' woke cultural Marxism is what he said. And that job, he just did right. And they're in a job, which you will know, where they can make or break people. And they do. They are absolutely shameless and relentless in this pursuit. Now, why don't they change? Well, we can track the source of their so-called news right up to the top. And that's the billionaire mainstream media magnate George Soros, a self-confessed left-wing ideologist who's obsessed with quote, this is his quote, influencing the minds of the public worldwide. And his chain of influence is carefully crafted, right down to the naive journalists at the bottom who unwittingly spew his beliefs. And it's sobering to know that as a young student, he assisted the Nazis to confiscate his fellow Jews' prize assets as they were led away to their awful fate. In the 1998 TV interview, I don't know if you've seen it, when he was asked if he felt any guilt, he replied, no, no, I don't. And this is the man that is the chief source of our news and left-wing government policies as well, which we've suffered for the previous six years. Now, Winston Peters, he's a right-wing fly in the ointment, isn't he? And worse still, he calls the media out. And the Nazi comment, which I've gone over so many times, he basically said, the insidious creep of racist co-governance that's spread through legislation in the public sector everywhere, he said, and then he went on with some other stuff, and he said that was a race-based theory where some people's DNA was better than others. And he repeated that, didn't he? That's actually what Raari Waititi said. He said everybody knows that Maori DNA is superior to other DNA. That's what he said. And that's what Winston was referring to by those people. And I think he said, and their fellow travellers or something. Anyway, then he said, I've seen that philosophy before. I've seen Nazi Germany. We all did. Now, I actually take Umbridge at Luxon not standing up for this. I think we need to remember it. Does he think that Nazism is a fantasy? And I think we need to remember history so that we can see the beginnings of what may be a repeat performance. And I think that's what Winston actually meant. And I also think if that is what he meant, I think he was dead right. And has Luxon forgotten that thousands of New Zealand men went to war for this cause? My father was one of them on the warship Leander. And a Japanese torpedo tore a hole in its side. And my father was in amongst the 26 men killed in the boiler room. And if he'd been a couple of metres the other way, he would have been one of the 26. Now, had that not been the case, if he had been standing right where the 26 were, well, I wouldn't be here today, would I? And I think that Luxon and the others who criticise these comments about bringing up the Holocaust and things like that, I think they need to wake up because this did happen and this can easily happen again. And it damn near happened the beginnings of it in the COVID thing, you know, people were running around. If they were vaccinated, they were looking hatefully at other people who weren't and calling them out. You know, you could see it in the beginning and the beginnings of it. Oh, absolutely. Well, I caught anyway. No, it was like that. You know, I've been through the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem, Yad Vashem. And, you know, I had always wondered, how the hell did the Jewish people let this happen to them? And when I went through that museum, I finally understood because what was done in Nazi Germany was exactly what was done here during the pandemic. There were little tiny steps along the way. First of all, they said, OK, look, we really just want you to wear a little star so that we know who you are. Well, we had vaccine passes, right? So we could know who people were with vaccinated or unvaccinated. Then they said, oh, well, you can't go to those swimming pools, but there's a swimming pool over here you can go to. And only your people with the little yellow stars, you can go to that swimming pool. Well, in New Zealand, we said we were told that you couldn't go to restaurants, get your hair cut, do anything if you were unvaccinated. And then they said, oh, look, if you're in a business, we'd really like that to be majority owned by Germans. And so they then said, well, we're going to take those shares that you've got in that company. And you can still have shares. You can still have the job there. There's no difference. Just a little change. And then after that, of course, they said, no, you can't even work here anymore. And oh, no, you can't have any shares anymore. And by the way, we need you to move. And it's all these little tiny steps. And all along the way, everyone went, oh, OK. Well, that's not so bad. I can cope with that. And then the next step came and said, oh, OK. That's not so bad. I can cope with that. And the next minute, they're listening to music on the railway siding, leading into the showers. And we came perously close to totalitarianism. We did have it to a certain extent, especially when the vaccine passes and the vaccine mandates came about and the lockdowns show us your papers, all that sort of behavior. And so Winston Peters is 100% right in my book that we should learn the lessons of history so that it's never repeated again. And if we start going down the pathway of separating people out because they have special DNA or they had the right ancestors, then that's where we're heading. And he's right on that. I totally agree. And I think his words were carefully chosen. The insidious creep, that's what he said. The insidious creep of racist co-governance. So to say that he said co-governance was Nazism was completely incorrect. He said that the insidious creep of racist co-governance, that's what he said. And the headlines right across the news the next day were all, they were so distorted. And Winston Peters is one of the people that they want to break when I said make or break. They want to break him because he represents the right wing and they hate that. They're just pushing an agenda. I mean, we talked about them last week that they sort of were stupid and couldn't learn. But I think it's way above that. I think they think they're the chosen one to convert the world. Well, Winston's not necessarily right wing, but he is conservative and they're very liberal. And so yeah, they want to bring him down. But just look at the TV1 news headline on Tuesday night. What Winston is claiming he meant. Has he been told off by the PM? It's so juvenile. It's so pure aisle. It's the media who misreported what Winston said. And they're trying to get him told off. No wonder he's clapping back at them. Well, and he's doing it very well. And they had another crack at him for telling lies about the bribery. But that wasn't a lie. They're the ones that are lying. They absolutely were offered the money under conditions. Exactly. You can have this money if you agree to these conditions. That was it. Quite simple. I mean, I run a media outlet. I looked into the public interest journalism fund, took one look at the terms and conditions and said we won't be applying for this because I refuse to adhere to those conditions. And so we didn't. And I didn't have it. And I took a stand. And yes, financially, it wasn't good for me or the publication to do that. But we had principles. And there's no way we were going to sign those away for a few silver coins, which is exactly what the media did. They took the money. They ran the lines. And then they all stand there and go, but it wasn't a bribe. And we weren't doing what we were told by the government. Well, funny, you get exactly the same viewpoint as the government. You were running propaganda for them. I know. And then they repeat. He's telling lies. You see, they've got this business mastered. First of all, they hypnotize you. And then they keep repeating one-liners all the way through. And they've, in Winston Peters, and I know he's a bit mercurial, but they have created a brand for him of can't be trusted. And at some stage and whatever they write, they always have that word in there of can't be trusted. Untrustful. And they've created that brand for him. Exactly. They've created the brand. They smear and besmirch him. And then they get upset when he says, I'm calling you on your ball dust. And then they get upset and take high umbrage. I can't wait for them all to collapse. They really deserve it. Oh, I really felt when I went over that speech yesterday, I really felt, I thought, actually, it'll be a good thing if they just totally collapsed. They're just so out of order. And they are running rough shot all over New Zealand, as the government did. In fact, they've become the opposition. I mean, before they were the government, now they're the opposition, aren't they? Yep. Well, that's what I think that the media have become the opposition. And perhaps we should start calling them the media party. But none of them have got the guts to actually stand for election. They wouldn't take the rejection. And but they carry on like they are the opposition. Well, that's exactly what I mean. You know, they literally are the opposition at the moment because they rubbish anybody on the side of the new coalition government. You know, they're branding Luxon as a sort of an overprivileged elitist, really. And talking about elite, why are they calling all these militant, or not all these, because there are not many, these militant Maori? Why are they calling them elitists? They're not elite. You know, I watched Willie Jackson in an interview a while ago. It was absolutely horrified. He is not an elite person. Elite means somebody that... He's worth several million dollars. He has lots of houses in Auckland. You know, so he's not poor. That's wealth, but it doesn't mean he's elite. Elites are very special. Yeah, I tend to think that they are. I tend to think they are because they're in positions of power. They're either high up in iwi or spokespeople for various things. They are the elite of Maori dim. And they don't represent the everyday citizen who happens to be Maori at all. And so they do have an elite as attitude in that they run radio stations and media outlets and, you know, all sorts of trusts and all of those sorts of things. They're handling millions and millions of dollars. But whilst you say that's wealth, that kind of puts you into the elite as well. Yeah, well, I suppose if you look at it that way, you could. But I guess I'm a little bit old fashioned and to see Kiri Takanoa there. Now, she's an elite person in my mind. Yes. You know, she... I agree with you. Yeah, she... Yeah, there's a person who's really made a mark on the world. And not everybody gets to sing at a Prince's wedding, do they? No, they don't. And so I don't see Willie Jackson. I mean, I just only saw a clip and I stopped and watched it because I thought I might be having to talk about that. But that subject didn't actually come up. But it was a political program on AM Breakfast, which I don't watch. And it was just terrible. They just laughed and cackled and carried on all the way through it. And I'll tell you what, his command of English is certainly absolutely atrocious, isn't it? It was awful. And I thought, well, it's no wonder nobody wants to watch it. And goodness knows what he's got to say about the state of the nation speech. It'd be something really horrible, wouldn't it? Oh, it was funny watching. It was Lloyd Burr, I think his name was. That's that you're referencing. He just looked completely flummoxed as Winston Peters pulled him back into his bottle. Yes. Right, well, I think we've run out of time. I've got Jack on the line next and he's waiting. So I'd better say goodbye to you and we'll talk next week. OK, see you later, Cam. Bye-bye. Thank you. Bye. Welcome to Cam's buddies, Jack. Good to have you back. Good to have you back, Cam. It's earlier tonight. Yeah, a little bit earlier. Paul's away, so, you know, you get you get a quicker slot. So you can I'm just going to take you away from the news a little bit, but that's all right. Hey, I don't know if you caught up with Winston Peters, state of the nation speech on the weekend and then the ensuing debacle in the media as they misrepresented and outright lied about what he was saying. And what I'm interested in what your thoughts are. Well, I didn't hear all of his speech, but like you, all you would have heard all his speech, but I heard all the aftermath of it. I suppose the guts of it for one of a better expression. First of all, I have to say I like Winston, so I'm biased in what I say. On the other hand, nothing wrong with being biased, Jack. Yeah, Winston would say it like I would say it myself. I'm sick to death of that painted face cowboy hat wearing guy in parliament, you know, being able to say what he likes. And although the press say they reported on it, well, I don't remember that. And at the moment, Winston says something the same. That's all a huge bonfire. Oh, I guess you've got to expect that. Well, they just they're all they've got an agenda and it's not the agenda of actually reporting the news. It's the agenda of trying to get Winston Peters because he doesn't like the media. And so therefore he's public enemy number one and away they go. Well, we all understand that. But I'm totally for what he said. It's true. It is true. And, you know, what I like about Winston is look at the work that he's done since he's been in there. First of all, he goes overseas and represents us and he looks good. That's a good start compared with the last first and they went over dressed in a sack with a face painted and did nothing at all, in my opinion. And she's crooked, too, whether, you know, the deals that a husband got. She did absolutely nothing in the six years that she was there that I can recall. Winston's done more in the six weeks that he's been running or whatever time it is. Yeah, and that's that's exactly right. I think Winston's been on a couple of trips since taking over. I'm not sure Nanaima who did anything more than one trip. Well, she's been around. He's been around the islands. He's been to Australia several times. He's been to India, probably been to other places that I don't know about, but he's been working the whole time. And all the media do is attack him over something that he said that was 100 percent true. Yeah, what can you say? I'm sorry to be boring, but what can you say about it? Well, what you can say is that the media are bent and they need to be gassed. Yeah, but they won't be. Oh, they will. They're doing it themselves. We just have to live with it. Till they all tip over. Well, they won't. I can't understand it. It's just the mind boggles. It does indeed. All right, Jack, thank you for your call today and we'll talk next week. Sorry, it was sweet and short, but that's all I have to offer. No, well, that's that's all we need from you, Jack. Thanks very much for calling in. See you, bye. Yeah, bye. Welcome to Cams Buddies, Jimmy. How are you today? I'm very well. Thanks, Cameron. Spired up, mate. Spired up seeing what's happening in our democracy. Now, what do you got me this week? Yeah, well, I was going to ask you about that. Winston Peters had a state of the nation address in Palmerston North, though why did it in Palmerston North? I have no idea, but he still filled the halls, standing room only for the old battler and promptly got Chris Hipkins to react to it. So he got to give Hipkins a slapdown and then the media wailing started. So I'm interested to know what you think about the speech and what the media reaction means and what's it all about. I think this is when Winston compared the Labour Party co-governance to Nazis. Yeah, well, he didn't actually, but thanks. Well, to be honest, the use of Nazi in our talk about our democracy is insane. And, you know, what the Nazis did was just so appalling. It's not really even comparable. But the left started calling everyone Nazis and fascists. I mean, the Green Party used fascists all the time. So for Winston to come back at them and then the media to melt down just shows how pathetic the whole media situation is. And that's why they're going broke. Well, what Winston was saying, yeah, clickbait exactly. But what Winston was saying, isn't wrong, is it? He was saying that if you have policies and media and government all deciding that we're going to prefer someone or a group of people on the basis of race or their DNA, that that ends in disaster. And he's opposed to that and he's opposed to it vociferously. And now we've got all this haze of outrage. You kind of have to believe that the media are all OK with, you know, superior DNA and all of that sort of stuff. It's kind of strange. Well, it is. And I completely agree with Winston's sentiment that the D is it D.I. or diversity, diversity. Yeah, all of that. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean, that that is literally looking at that. You know, and we are greater problems here, you know, where the the woke left are forcing stuff on our democracy. Equity means equal outcomes, whereas we want to be looking for equality, which means equal opportunity. You know, I think the West is in great trouble with that respect, actually. Look at Boeing's planes. Well, you know, Winston called them woke cultural Marxists. Is he wrong? They are. He's dead right. They literally cultural Marxism. It's affected us so badly and all the people in the media believe in it. And fortunately, the voters in New Zealand don't and have rejected it. But they just can't. The media can't accept it. It's really pure island and nonsensical. I mean, TV one is running a headlight was running a headlight on Tuesday night, saying what's what Winston is claiming he meant? Has he been told off by the PM? I mean, it's so juvenile. It's the media who misrepresented all of this. And now they're trying to get Winston. So he gets told off by Laksen. But I could just imagine Laksen trying to tell him off. What sort of just back at him and tell him to sit down? Yeah, I think Laksen products. I did see that. But Laksen is really trying to shut the media up because he's sick to death of them going on. What's Winston saying that Laksen? Well, the media are going to Laksen saying, well, what do you think about Winston's thing? And, you know, I mean, Laksen came out and stupidly said it was unhelpful, which is one of the most ridiculous things you can say in politics that something's unhelpful. But, you know, who is it helpful to? It's just not a chance to either should say I don't support it or I do support it, not give a sort of unequivocal, meaningless answer. And this is part of Laksen's problem, right? He doesn't really take a stand on anything because we know we're Winston stand in David Seymour stand in order to stand. You need a backbone in Laksen sort of trying to try to impress everyone. I'm impressing no one. He's got a picture because he's going to score here. You know, Christopher Laksen said, Winston Peters, Nazi comparison is not helpful. Well, I can't think of a more ridiculous word in politics than helpful because I'll tell you what, Winston's statement was incredibly helpful for Winston. It may not be for Laksen, but it was helpful for Winston. I mean, I completely agree with Winston, don't get me wrong, but just a comparison to Nazi that it is pretty strong language. And it's set the media off on this tone. Instead of talking about Winston's content, they're just talking about that. And we just keep doing that. Well, I guess the media needs to do it for clickbait, though. We can't actually have a debate in this country without hyperbole now, you know, it's a policy of racism. No, it's absolutely insane. And it's going to lead to horrendous outcomes. It's going to be a total horrendous. And also, I don't understand the long term strategy of it. I mean, let's say 100 years when a lot of my 80 percent of New Zealand has got some sort of Maori ancestry. I mean, a huge amount of people are already, you know, the policy collides with what is already normal where you just treat everyone, you know, it's going to run out of space. You know, who's going to be married enough, you know? So it's really just it's just a power grab by the socialists to try and enforce socialism into the democracy without doing it through the belt box. Did you see stuff? Winton Rungup managed to find some band member from Chumba Wumba to get them to have a wine about it. But the funniest thing of all, this is what Winston Peters said in the press release. This story has been initiated by a lefty she'll reporter who proactively sought to call a member of a former band, which disbanded 12 years ago, give their bias to praise of what was said in my speech and concocted a hamfisted attempt at a story that does nothing but show how my comments about these sorts of media organisations are correct. I can't believe they did that. But anyway, that's what they do. That's what he's got for a point. He ends it with if the reporter had any clue of the law and not just some opinionated fake news headline, they wouldn't have bothered publishing this nonsense. Well, the other thing that happened at impress me this week was Winston slapping Chris Hipkins and then telling her to get drunk on a wine biscuit, then taking a packet of wine biscuits into his mouth. Like, Winston has dominated the news cycle now for five days on a speech that normally would never be reported. I mean, Hamina's media advisers must be sitting there sniggering into their whiskeys as they're smoking cigars for a job well done. Well, Winston's defining his age. I mean, he's out. Sean Mahuta is a foreign minister in five months. I mean, I guess she had Covid, but close borders. But still, he's been to India and he's been to Australia. Ground of Pacific, Fiji, Australia. And he's off to China. He's had the Chinese foreign minister here recently. I mean, this is his work ethic. Any slang or the other parliamentarians on the other side. You know, so he really is either chosen. Winston's either got a great work ethic or the other side were incredibly lazy. I'm so glad I voted for him. You were an active voter, but you probably start lying about that shortly and saying, yeah, I voted for Winston. Well, to be honest, I was having this conversation just recently with someone I said, I'd give my vote to Winston. I'd also be very happy. But he's impressing a lot of people. The problem Winston has is he has let us down before. And a lot of people really love what he's doing, but they still were a bit cagey about giving him their vote. I guess that's how it's here. Yeah, well, given what he's doing at the moment, you know, I'm one I'm starting to wonder a couple of things, whether or not he slipped a couple of quid to Chimba Wumba so that they could have a moan in the media so he could keep the story going and be whether or not he knows that there's some polls out and coming out soon. And so he's getting into the media to get a bump in the polls. Well, he's done a beautiful job. He's sucking all the headlines away. And I mean, Nationals had a bit with it, kicking out the useless tenants and, you know, a bit of media, but it hasn't generated anywhere near the clicks that Winston's stuff has. Well, I wish I honestly wish the media would focus on the content of Winston's speech and the meaning, like what he's actually talking about, not just the public boards and, and, you know, that that's just the way it is. I don't know how we get that across to the masses. But I just don't know if anyone knew what Winston was talking about. They'd be really hard for most people to disagree with it. You know, the thing is the thing with Winston, though, now he's got he's got the X thing sorted. He's got the Facebook thing sorted. And that's all that matters. He's bypassing the media. He's issuing press releases, chucking them out on X. He's getting, you know, thousands of views on his stuff all the while. The other media are gassing themselves with this stuff. And if anyone's listening, you need to get an X account and follow a lot of this on X, because you see just a completely different perspective compared to what you see on your mainstream media. It's not even close to say. I know it's hilarious across the whole planet, actually. Oh, we're seeing that all the time. And we I mean, Trump's just suffered the same thing. He made a speech. You know, I just was going to say the same thing that bloodbath comments. He made a speech in saying that, you know, that the auto industry is going to suffer a bloodbath if that if he's not reelected and can reinvigorate Australian, sorry, American, you know, industry. And then all the media run the headlines. Trump says if he's not reelected, there'll be a bloodbath. I mean, how dishonest can you get? And what was scary to me is all the media ran exactly the same headline, like robots, just like they've done now, just exactly like they've done now with Winston, like robots, all the same headlines. Yeah, I honestly thank God for the XA. Oh, thank God for Elon Musk for freeing it. It cost him $44 billion, but it's the best money to speed me. Oh, I think so. But I hope they look after him. Yeah. So, Winston, I don't know. Where's he found this power, Cameron? I don't know. What is he, I think? No, he's not. He's in the 70s, but he can, you know, foot it with the best of them for hours and hours on end. I've never seen anything like it. But, you know, I think he's really smart. Well, I was talking to him in March last year, so a year ago. And I said to him, are you fit for the election campaign? And he says, I can't wait, can't wait to get into it. And this is what I love. This is what I'm good at. And he had a real fire in his belly. And since the election, we've seen that fire and we're seeing it on a daily basis. And it's also infecting the rest of the New Zealand First Party, because you're seeing that with Shane Jones. You're seeing that with Tanya Uncovich and other people in the New Zealand First team that they really are firing and they're, you know, being sensible and and saying and doing the right things. And people, I think people are starting to realise, hang on a second, when there's something here. Well, I think, yeah, you're right. Winston just feeds it off the energy of this, you know, the success in speeches and packed out halls and good polls that just energises them big time, eh? Yeah, totally. Success always energises people, but the problem we've got is the mainstream media gatekeepers, eh, for our sides. Totally, totally. It's such a hard thing to get through when you, you know, when you do a good, popular speech and pack out a hole and then you get all these crappy headlines. Yeah, but he's dominating the media cycle for a good long time. So he'll be pleased. He'll be pleased by this. I mean, we just had him on, we just had him on earlier and he's very pleased. So, you know, it shows. Anyway, Jimmy, I've been to Cut-A-Track and a bit of wine to show up. All right. It's been a pleasure. I'll talk to you next week. Thanks, Ham. Okay, mate. Thanks, mate. Yet again, there's no holding back from my buddies. Plenty of truth bombs dropped. If only the other media would listen to what the ordinary person says in the street. Maybe we should change the name for Cam's Buddies to Cam's Common Sense Buddies. 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