 I just made a phone call, I got two, well I keep a backup of everything. Whenever I do these projects, in some ways I acquire the tools that I need down the road. And I still make out than having someone else do it. No, I haven't got either yet. Yeah, no, it's crazy. I bought a 2x4x10. Regular spruce. 18, not pretty. I bought the cheapest 2x4 and I hope that it's fine. Just so I can put my level so I can level out my hole. It was 10 bucks. Oh yeah. It's the only one I combined into that. It was just 10 bucks. I'm ready to order. 602. First on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Is there anything anybody wants to add? Yes, Dave. We had a executive session. For personnel. Do you get to resell the fancy lingo? Okay. No, I'm sorry, I didn't get to you. That's okay. That's fine. That's not a problem at all. Then you should do that. I agree. The only thing I want to do is update you on the shooting range insurance. I actually ended up getting a quote today after I spoke to you. Okay. There you go. So we had an executive session to talk about some personnel matters at the end. The trees wanted to just make sure we brought up the, she has some updates on the shooting range insurance under the town manager report. Is there anything else? If not, just need a motion to approve as amended. So moved. Okay, all in favor? Aye. All right. Made it through that. First appointment is at six o'clock. So I did see Nicole here. Do you have anybody else Nicole that's going to be attending with you or you could go? It's okay. Okay. The one on the show. So the floor is yours. Yeah, so we must read the letter and the documents regarding the purchasing policy. So, you know, the energy committee were a volunteer group. We were going through the tax set to us from the town plan. And, you know, we looked at it and we're thinking, what do we want to see written here for, you know, there's a hundred percent turnover. If none of us are here today, tomorrow, you know, what do we want to leave behind with language guidelines for purchasing? And, you know, keeping in mind that just every purchase we make is an opportunity to upgrade our energy efficiency, make that shift any way we can. So that is where we were coming from with that. And at this point we're asking for input from all of you who are looking to cover and see looking at the same policy and make purchasing decisions. Sure. No, I mean, I know I read through it and actually Theresa and I talked earlier. And, I mean, I think it's a good idea to, you know, it may not always work the way we want it to. But I think it's a good idea to somehow incorporate into our policy, you know, looking at the different alternatives that we have when we are purchasing whatever it might be. It might be a new town, garage, and at least having the ability to, you know, look at, you know, are we potentially doing solar or wind or any type of power like that or, you know, even though we may or may not because of cost, but, you know, if we're purchasing a truck, you know, here's the standard specs for the truck or here's a truck, if we bought a fire vehicle, you know, at least we're making an honest effort even if costs may be overrule, you know, that type of thing, but at least, you know, kind of looking at some variations of it. I don't really, I was trying to figure out exactly if you always want to build your policies and work with any policy without being 100% candy cap, so it's kind of like how would that be in there, like you said, if none of us were here, you know, and it was a totally different board, a totally different audience, and, you know, how would that go? But I thought it was a, at least in my opinion, that was a good idea because there's many things that we do purchase big and small. Yeah, I did make a couple of changes that I asked for. I think I said those to you just when will to may, under one, under energy efficiency, whenever possible, consideration may be given to the amount of type, but instead of will be given, I put may be given, and then under purchasing authority, purchasing agents shall try and procure supplies, I put that in there. My only concern, frankly, was just that, you know, and I think I asked you about that, you would, I mean, I don't want to give you a chance to talk about it more, but the vehicle purchase request, the alternate fuel report, so you're thinking that could take one to three hours to fill out. Oh, yeah, it depends on how you fill it out. Right, that's my concerns. I don't know who's going to fill that thing out. No, no, no. It's not. Well, for now, it won't be you. Exactly. And I'm not, and Alan doesn't have time, so I'm not, I don't have anyone on the equipment committee necessarily to designate to, you know, so I'm not really sure, I guess, maybe that's a group effort, maybe it's Alan and, I guess I really don't know, frankly. Yeah, and something that's actually pretty exciting is a lot of that was modeled after, like a draft for the town of Hartford. Yeah. But recently, the town of Hepford passed a green fleets policy, and it's, it would be like a policy that would solidify that document, but it might make that document like obsolete. And this is something that I just, they just passed last month, so it's after we had already written this. And it's a one page, just pretty much a vehicle procurement policy. And it covers the use truth of the year and how many vehicles you have. Fleet optimization, which is pretty much like procurement, making sure that you're always upgrading. Right, which we do, yeah, we have a couple of them for that. And fleet maintenance, which is, you know, environmentally friendly. So it's, you know, this is all just new kind of, how do we deal with vehicles? Sort of question. Transportation is the largest emitter of CO2 in the state of Vermont, green gas gas emissions. It's about 45% worth of our green gas gas emissions. That's what, it's a big one. We didn't want to miss it. We wanted to open it, but we don't, you know, we're not 100% sure where it's going to go. I think for us, it's difficult because we're on such a tight budget. We're actually, you know, that's one of the things tonight is to buy a vehicle. And, and we're in such a situation where we have several needs, you know, and when you're talking to the equipment committee, which is all people in the field that know equipment, that operate equipment, they want to make this plan and, and I think it's difficult in the sense that, you know, what's your experience with this? Do you feel like, my understanding is that certainly some of the highly energy vision are so much more money. And that's obviously a situation we just don't have that money to play with. So I'm thinking, I wonder if that, for me, you know, maybe they, maybe they do. And over time, I certainly can see the benefit of looking into that. But that's why I kind of wanted to give someone the out. I like the way that you word that, you know, kind of if possible, because if it's, you know, 20, 30 thousand dollars more, there's just no way we can currently manage it. Now in a few years, maybe, I don't know. And that's, oh, wait a second. Well, two things. Ford just came out with another 10, then it's electric. Yeah. It's much more power than the comparable gas or diesel. Is this similar price? No, it's more expensive. But don't forget, you don't have to buy fuel. And you have very different maintenance costs. Right. Because you don't have to maintain that gas and that diesel engine. But you still have to charge it. You still have to charge it, so there is electric. But those costs need to be factored in. Oh, sure. In any purchasing decision. I don't know how that shakes out. I don't mean that. But I do think it's worth asking the equipment committee to really look at seriously and to see how much more it costs over the life of the investor, rather than, you know, it's an initial outlay. But how much of that do we get back in savings over the time we use it? Yep. I think that's a question that needs to be asked. If not for this purchase, at least down the road. Right. And I would, I like the word will when it's preceded by whenever possible. The whenever possible is a wiggle phrase. Right. That it gives us an out. But it says that if it's possible, we're committed to doing this by keeping the word will. Right. But that's my, the other, and in the second, I would precede that whenever possible that we will procure supplies, et cetera, being conscious. But I want the wiggle room, but I don't want so much that we can, we or those who succeed us can just ignore it. Right. It's, it's a balance. Right. Well, I had a, oh, go ahead. I had to think also of the, there's a lot more to the vehicle than anybody here is talking about. And that is, how do we use a vehicle in the town? It's usually in a harsh environment. They're, I don't care where they're gas and electric, they're motors. Those electric motors are usually in a position to be near or having salt, sand, whatever. You really got to look at what could happen to this vehicle. That electric motor goes, you don't, you don't just drive home. Number two, I don't hear anybody in the industry at all talking about the infrastructure in the United States of America or in electricity we can provide. I mean, there's, there's states in the country that already have brownouts regularly. All of a sudden you dump half the gas in the car, the electric car in that area, and it'd be black. I'm sure of that. The mob don't have over abundance of electricity. So I don't know what's going to happen when we go from, I don't know what the small percentage of electric vehicles is to a higher percentage, but it's a consideration. And the third comment is when you talk about the fact that we are, the vehicles, transportation is what can you say, 45% of our carbon CO2. Talk with this committee and say, you know, what are we doing with our forests? The forest is probably the best place to absorb carbon. So if we can, okay, we're going to cut this, but also we're going to save some forests or regenerate and make it a better forest so that it can help. Because no matter what you tell me at 20 below, I get my electric F-150 and I get downtown and then I'm screwed. I can't get home. Well, I think, you know, I think, you know, it does occur to look into or having something, you know, in the policy where, you know, when we're looking at it, it's kind of like the same thing as saying, you know, you have a purchasing policy so you need to get three quotes from, you know, three different vendors, you know, to have comparisons. Like, you know, I think if one of that could be a, you know, one, you know, if we're getting, if we're buying a truck. Now, I know sometimes it's, okay, this is the last truck and they have it on the, you know, the yard type deal. But in some of the longer thinking parameters, maybe we could say, you know, be nice to have one that, you know, at least a goal from an energy efficient or, you know, whatever title we label it. Just so that we can look at it. Maybe the town at that time is in a position to buy something. Or maybe the infrastructure is at a position that we could buy something. Or maybe not. You know, at least I think what the energy committee is, what I see is at least they have the option on the table to police the board or the board is going forward to take it around. And, you know, I will know, you know, working for a very large company and we have, you know, about a thousand pieces of transportation out there that, you know, a lot, what's very difficult is to be able to acquire these type of vehicles, take the point of infrastructure. It's very difficult for a small entity to, like, have, you know, a compressed natural gas truck, right? I mean, you've got to have multiple loads and be able to have really an on-site distribution to fill it, you know, and so it becomes, like, a big, big thing. It's difficult for, like, a small municipality where a big company like mine, you know, they may say, okay, like, for instance, a lot of their trucks are set up on compressed natural gas, but they also have their own compressed natural gas fill-up area. You know? Yeah. Where here, you know, in Bethel to have a compressed natural gas truck would acquire a lot of infrastructure for one vehicle, you know, for two vehicles. So, I'm going to be able to just add something there. A little over a year or so ago, I had to get a new truck and I had wanted an electric truck, but they're not out really that much right now. But I poked around a little bit and I remember seeing in consumer reports, it was like a chart on cost of ownership for different EVs to comparable vehicles. So that might be a good starting point, at least for you to kind of take a look at. Thanks. And I think it's just kind of coming up with the right wordage and the policy to just at least get it on the table so that we can recognize it's an option. The one that I was looking at, Chris, was the criteria for bid selection, number four there. I'm not sure how do we demonstrate that. Is there a form that we'd have to have done? Have you heard of a B corporation? What's that? A corporation that's certified as a B corporation. Sometimes they'll register under the certain certification and it's... The reason they designate themselves as B is because their primary purpose is not to the shareholders, it's to the stakeholders. So there's just a separate designation. And within those companies you'll find goals. And so, you know, if everything else is held constant, but you have a B corp that has a goal of reducing carbon emissions, that would be something that you can see that's clearly beneficial to the climate. I know other, you know, I've got kind of thinking through this and I know some things are not practical for our small towns and some things are, but you know, I know one thing at our company, and usually, you know, a large company comes down to cost, right? You're trying to cut cost and if you can cut cost and make things more environmentally friendly, then obviously that's a win-win rate. I know one thing that we look at at our company is idle time. So, you know, idle time is very costly, but at the same time, there's a lot of, you know, CO2 that's being emitted when you don't need to, right? I mean, those are, you know, things that, you know, meet the town, you know. I'm sure if you go out, you'd see the pickup idling one time. You know, I mean, there are things that you can see and obviously it's hard to track because we're just a little town and you know, you'll purchase thousands of dollars with the software to track one truck, but, you know, those are all things that could definitely help. Yeah, I'm not opposed to number four. I just wish there was a word in there that it's a piece of it and not, like... I guess it's just one criteria so we could look at it and it wouldn't necessarily stop them from getting the bid. It's just something for us to look into, which I'm fine with. You know, for me it's all about the money, right? I mean, that's just sometimes what it comes down to. That's my job. And so it's all about the money. But I'm not opposed to that because it would be one, you know, I'm concerned about how we make them demonstrate it that I just don't know. But I'm not opposed to it being one of the criteria because it's one of several, but how we make them demonstrate that is what I don't know. So that's what I'm asking you. Besides the big B-corp, any ideas or is that something the Energy Committee could maybe look at and let me know? I'm honestly just asking for help. I think something we could look further into. Now, you know, this is our annual goal and it's June, so there's plenty of time to keep looking through there. Yeah, that would be great. Just some ideas would be really helpful for me on if it's like where it corporates this, at least so I know what it should be looking for. Yeah, that's a good point. It's a good comment. So I just need your help, so that would be great. I will look into it and if it's, you know, if it's too vague to really do that sort of thing, then we'll let you know. It's just kind of... So do you want to just vague this, like once you guys have that information and... Yeah, if you want to, like, read this and then kind of just... Do you want to adopt the first two? I know that Farron is up next, so I don't know what you want to do. I don't know. I mean, what does the community take? It might be nice to have a final draft of all the whole points and, you know, then we can either approve it or not approve it as one document rather than do it in pieces of it. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, I'm just wondering if you want to do it all at once. So there's no downtime to wait another two weeks or whatever? Yeah, or a month or a month or whatever. You just let me know. When you get it, then I'll add you to an agenda. And if we have a chance to take a look at that, then we'll see if... Oh, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. See if... And maybe I can send that... Yeah, I don't be interested in seeing it. Okay, if there's someone that sparks something. That would be great. Yeah, I know. That sounds perfect. Thank you. So I'll just make a note that once I hear from you, I'll reschedule once I'm here. Yeah. And I just want to make that note. I definitely heard the topic of tumblingness come up a lot. And I... You know, over... I think I kind of had a climate change realization when I was like 20. And it really blew my mind. I was like, oh my goodness, this is... we've got to do something now. And I've definitely quieted down that enthusiasm over the years. And really want to focus in on what I can do and what we can do. And there's so many external things going on. But internally, here within this municipality, we can really hammer down our policy as far as we can, even if we can't purchase something, opening up these discussions and just having building a discussion into our procedure at certain points, remembering to evaluate the alternatives. If we build that in now, five, ten years from the future, we're going to be ahead of the game on when things come out. And that's really saying something for a small town like Bagel. We're usually a few years behind. And I think in this case, we're a little ahead. And it's a little scary. But we're going through it together. So I appreciate everyone being on tonight. Yeah, that's great. Oh, you're right. Thank you. No, that'd be all the four here from you. We have standing at that birthday. I'm curious about that. Yeah, it's so exciting. I'm on one page. I like it. Some sit up and it's good. Well, that was going to be a question that I had when I was looking through it. Do you have any other like municipal municipalities that have adopted something similar? You know, it's so much easier. Like if you have like a town of Woodstock or something, then at least we could see it and see what kind of language they used in their policy. Yeah. Well, the neat thing about that is maybe what we do is I like that if we see it like it, we could always pull vehicles out of the purchasing policy. So the purchasing policy is the purchasing policy. But then you have a separate policy for vehicles. So depending on what that person said, I'm really interested in that. I love it when other people, you know, we don't have to reinvent the wheel. Somebody else just put a lot of brain science. And we were stuck between like separate policy or to integrate. Yeah. And some of, a lot of what I saw was like just collaborating with someone who does similar stuff. So it's like research levels. So it was, they shared it with me, but they're like just kind of keep this. But I can forward it to you, Chris, if you'd like. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like, you know, we went through the track ordinance, for instance. Yeah, absolutely. We kind of looked to see what was out there and we took kind of a collage of pieces. Yeah, we like this and we like that and kind of put it together in hours. Yeah. And maybe the same thing if you had a couple of examples where we could say, I really like the language here and we could incorporate that. Yeah, I like the idea. And that's where the unprecedented nature of it really is kind of a barrier. Yeah. Because there's, we might be the people who are making that energy efficient in there. So I don't know what happened. Yeah. But we got it better than that. Yeah. Well, I like the idea of maybe doing separate because the purchasing policy covers a lot of stuff, but maybe vehicles, it's a huge purchase. It's separate. Maybe it's a separate thing. I'm not opposed to that. I kind of like that idea in a way because then it tags that form and well, send me that first and I'll let you and I email. That'd be great. I would also like to see in what, in the consideration, items to consider would be operation and maintenance costs over life as well as the purchase price and hidden costs. In other words, if, what are the costs that we're putting off and somebody's going to have to pay for down the line even if it's not directly in the purchase of this particular vehicle? Yeah. I don't know if I'm, well, yeah. I mean, that's, you know, we hopefully won't come there. Is there a cost in terms of providing more electricity? That's a cost that needs to be considered, but the alternative is also what are the health costs of continuing to pump carbon into the air and what are the long-term costs for us? We only have a small community, but we can do our part in my opinion. Well, I think, you know, I think the biggest step here would just be just getting another option on the table, right? I mean, right now, most of our purchases are usually, like we'll talk about the one tonight is, you know, they're mostly like there's a truck at a dealer that's left, you know, type deal. You know, there's not plan B or C, you know, type deal, but maybe on some of these other things, there could be at least a, you know, whatever we title an energy efficient option, you know. Sure. It may be, there may not, but at least it's an option, and then whoever the, whoever the equipment committee is at that time or whoever the select board is at that time could weigh that into their judgment when they make a determination on to buy or not to buy, or how much they're spending there, you know. And you can look and see, too. I mean, it's not hard to ask for the dealers, if like you said today, it's not hard to ask the dealers if they have more energy efficient type of option. I mean, unfortunately, like at the bigger level, like stuff that we would buy, the trouble like we have at my work is serviceability. You can buy them, they're a little more expensive, but if it breaks down, it's not as easy as calling up the mechanic you always use. You might have to get somebody from a distance, you know. Yeah, those people learn how to service Prius is pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. Or some things that aren't offered, you know. But at least it's basically what Nicole wants is a seat at the table, you know. Let's have an option at the table that at least we can weigh in on and make a determination if we want to move that way or not move that way. I think that's an honest request. Yeah. Well, Nicole and I will work together and then we'll schedule it for another meeting in the next month or so and get her back and we can incorporate it into one policy or decide like here's one purchasing, here's a vehicle. So yeah, no, if you don't mind sending me the efforts, I'd love to read it. I will. Thank you so much. Thank you, everyone. I appreciate it. We've got just a long way to go. It's crazy. It's a thing. It's always changing. We'll have a good night. Thank you. Thanks, Nicole. Take care. All right. Darren. So yeah, so they're in the pocket. I sent them to the attorney who did, you know, such a good job. He hadn't made anything just a couple of weeks. That was it. He was great. So these are the landowner agreements with no Lotto GW Inc. I had to go to the secretary of state's website to figure out what is their actual name. So that's how they had registered. So it's them. It's David Bergeron and Mandy Wilson. Robert Tracy, right? There was just three. All right. So three. So the town attorney has reviewed them. We've done one other prior with Dennis Wood, right? Dennis Wood. We did one with him before. And so if you don't have any questions on the landowner agreements, then if you made a motion for me to sign both, then I can get them signed and get them to Farron and you said you would take them to get the landowner signatures. I do have a question. Okay. Is there a possibility that area seems to be relatively flat? Is there a possibility of having that be handicapped accessible? There is certainly a possibility of the future in part of the plight of remaining. Initially, we'd like a flat trail showing the landowners a garden approach on the two private lands, but since we were involved in a corporation involved in the state of Florida. Right. I understand. There's no reason why that couldn't happen. The one drawback when we're discussing the field would be obviously as you get closer to the river, it becomes less stable. There's a chance that some, I mean, type of a could take out a significant portion. Sure. So the investment could be lost or it could go for a hundred years and occasionally have to walk over it just to clear the game. But to put it in a handicapped accessible trail probably would require a grant fund or some kind of additional step up. But if that's a possibility down the road, motorized wheelchairs could be using that potentially and that would be a motorized vehicle. That's not that would be excluded according to these contracts. Yeah. I'd have to read, I think, what another problem might be would be for a concerns easement, prohibits motorized use of that parcel also. I think it was an exception. Is there an exception? Anything. Yes. That makes sense that there would be an exception. I can't imagine that they... So where does this happen? So where the existing schools, athletic fields are, the idea of the concept map. Is the map included in the fact that the... No. So it's basically just going to be a single track trail initially that goes around all the ball fields and then goes out the ball field that's actually on this woods property behind the current big house. So you'd go in down the entrance to the ball field? Yeah, that would be on the access. If there's somebody wanting to park down there and walk or maybe at some point you can attach the two sides of the road since there's truck assistance on each side they won't work potentially. And then it crosses, it basically follows the river and then makes up a loop or a long e-talk of Carlos Bell portion of the... So it's kind of two routes connected, get it established, just to flag it. We want it, it's not going to be a lot more if we're talking about a couple of days when it'll work properly. And then Carlos... I just wouldn't want us to sign in to something that we couldn't make that exception. Right. But this agreement could be changed at any time. I agree. The town attorney looked at it so I think if he felt we were excluding someone and this is not the first one that he would have, I think he would have said, you know, Theresa, you can't, but I'm happy to email him and Claire. We could always move forward with an out. I can email him and clarify so we do have to make another agreement we could amend. But I can double check with David Rue but I think he would have said, you know, said, Theresa, you can't, you know. Well... I've excluded, but I and I will follow up with that. I think that's a good point. And what is soon, you know, because we're dealing with private property, I'm sure that people will have to turn into a dirt-bound creature or something like that. Yeah, so I'll ask them if they're motorized or wheelchair. Just something to put in your minds. It's not already because I know you're on part of the planning committee for the new accessibility grant that we got, but getting that piece of land in part of the walkthrough will make you more eligible for grants that then come available. But I think if you missed that and even if the trail isn't 100% there and done, if we missed it, then that piece of land wouldn't be as eligible as some of the downtown stuff. And I think it very much fits with what the grants, you know, sort of said they want to look at and the spacing of, because it goes all the way to the school and so it kind of captures that side of the road as well. So just to kind of keep it in mind as that grant rolls out and we start doing that planning, keeping that parcel of land, because I don't know if it was originally written into the grant. My brain is saying it wasn't. I'm looking at you because I know you've done some of the... That was something that I was paying attention to. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think we have that room to broaden the scope of it because it hasn't been set in stone yet. It's kind of a shame Nicole left because she's kind of the person to put the bug in her ear on it. Yeah, I'm hoping for that. Yeah, because that would be great to make that accessible. And I know the school is already excited to, you know, you guys are working with MLA so you know, but the school is already excited to use that parcel of land so if there's also ways to partner with the school on accessibility pieces it would be great. And it is something that we talked about in the early phases of planning the trail and pretty much came down to monies or, you know, saying we just can't do it at this point so let's, you know, get the trail and establish the trail and see what we can do in the future. Where do we cross in the water, GW? Their parcel is on both sides of Route 12 and they have a thin piece they bought many years ago potentially for each field that runs all the way back to the river. It's a very short process. Just googling to see what it says but I'm afraid it's coming up. Most of the ball fields on Dennis Woods I believe they have the option to purchase that. I'll take a look at the river and use it there and double check what it says about the handicap there. Yeah, I'm just looking to see if I can find something. This is from agency and natural resources. I mean, one would think that the motorized piece of it is more like you're saying, the recreational type vehicles. I don't understand what's intended. I just don't want to have an unintended consequence. Yeah, this is agency and natural resources policy use of mobility devices on A&R as wheelchairs shall be allowed on all agency lands open to pedestrian use. We cheer. Oh, did you? Okay, good. Okay. You're making this a saying it's always been this can be an evolving changing thing. So you need a motion to approve. It's just a motion. Authorize me to sign. So moved. Okay. My favorite. Thank you. And then you wanted to do an update on the main forest. One little point on Carlos and then I'll actually rubber their the CCC's attention that a vehicle had traveled across that property. I did notice that they didn't go down into Carlos and they went across the up river. We would prefer a motorized vehicles weren't crossing there. So now we want to see about what we can do as far as signage. Do you have a recommendation and some wording for those signs? Because if you do just email me. Alan's burned through his sign budget for this year but it starts up again in July and he's going to be ordering a couple signs. So if you have some language, if you give me a kind of a big idea what you're looking for, I can look at the METCD standard to see what we've got for choices. But if you give me some hint what you're looking for Alan will be placing a sign order if I want his new budget to start. When those like smile you're on camera. Yeah. And I know there were some folks here this weekend running ATVs that there was a family gathering and they had a snow machine trip. Right. So they had a popular launching point behind Tracy's and come up to their bachelors and up toward bachelors and then up the hill you're all set. Right. That is true. And in part of the easement the snowmobile trail is going to stay there. Yeah. When you said they I did notice that they didn't go across Carlos Meadow they just scooted across. They did travel through the webinars this weekend. There was extensive travel on Saturday. Oh. That was an over track. That's from an ATV vehicle or a I actually saw it at two points. Yeah. It was a four seater. I saw one heading home I think it was Saturday and I even the boys and I were swimming and they were pulling out of the bay. They were crossing onto the field directly across from the trail park where you occasionally park the cars. Yep. I know what you mean. If you look you could see the extensive tracks through the wetland and out to the lunch. If someone was going to repair is there a bridge out there or anything so that Vast or somebody would need access out there to bring a vehicle out there to do any work or not. I wasn't sure. No. Okay. I just mean Carlos Meadow you said you're going to share it with Vast and I wasn't sure if there was any you know Vast would be repairs on their trails or on bridges or anythings or anything like that out there. Okay. Good. There would be no need for any Okay. Good. Okay. That's what I wasn't sure. You know sometimes they have to access Alright. They run the groomer out there. Yep. But there should be no need this time I wasn't sure. I just didn't know if there was I'm not sure Vast infrastructure out there so I was just curious. But yeah just send me an email what you're thinking and I'll add it to give down for his list. Sure. And just tell me where you wanted to. Right. And so for the pretty town forest you know we talked about the timber sale and it's come to our attention that there's quite a few things that we want to research and gather some more data on and that timber sale mostly will not happen this year and maybe next year. We were trying to contact Vermont's climate forester. Vermont's the first state of climate forester. Oh wow. So we're trying to contact her get her to come down hopefully and see what she has to say and we're looking into getting an inventory for plants the county forester A.K. Fawnsby his resource assessment was mostly for timber. He did include some plants but it was mostly timber. So we're just trying to cut out the bases and make sure we have all the information before we make a decision. So probably will not be happening this year and one thing I want to confirm is the proceeds from the timber sale coming to the conservation commission Euromark for trail use I just wanted to make sure that that you know is decided on all the proceeds after road repair coming to the conservation commission So after any costs of the town incurred whether it's legal to get easements or road or anything like that so basically once the town itself is made whole anything after that you're requesting to be deposited in the conservation commission fund. So that's something you need a motion for? You would yes if you're going to decide that tonight yes I think I mentioned in here like yes I've said told them the cost of any road parking areas because we were doing these and I'm like there's any easement issues we would need that and then I said he'd like the select board to put the proceeds of the timber sale into the conservation fund so yeah so then I got thinking about after doing this and like oh if we had any legal or other issues you'd want the net proceeds. Is that a variation from any existing policy that covers timber sales in town for us? I don't believe you don't have a policy on it and you'd have the right over your any timber sales to do with it you know not that you have in Bethel not existing policy that you have no but I mean I certainly can do a little research you don't have to make that decision today since they're going to put the sale off we can certainly I can do a little research if you want I'm not going to do that I can take a peek if you'd like I'm not aware. The only thing that would have been tough in the past was prior to us starting the fund for them because before they just had a lot of the amount they could put in there in every budget where now that fund can revolve so I guess now it makes more sense that it could and maybe should go into that where prior it would have just went into the general fund right yeah you know unless you earmarked it to do something that same year you know it would have been wasted money well not wasted but it would have been money that would just went they had fund that we never had anyway so we went to pay something else by the same token if the cost to do all the improvements and legal stuff doesn't meet the cost of the timber sale then the town would absorb that difference sure you would have to yes and I'm not really I can't imagine that I'm not sure how the anticipated sale dollars are it's probably hard to project the way prices are yeah in the summer AJ gave us about 8 to 10,000 dollars so depending on the road improvements and all that you could go through that and he's looking now at a different you know that would be and I think that's where they're at is you're still looking at the different access not going up Wrench Hill so if we buying another year is a good idea because it would give you a chance to flush that out to have an estimate on what it's going to take to do improvements to that specific road and we'd have a better idea because obviously you're right if it was going to cost you 10 grand the road you're probably not going to do timber sale but it gives you a little more time but I'm happy to take a peek about timber sales but I know you don't have an existing policy and Chris is right if you had done this in the past you would have earmarked that money I'd like to think they would have put it in a capital fund if they're choosing but they could have just taken the end of the general fund so if you put it into the conservation fund then you know where it is and what's going to be used for just as an interesting historical point which I'm always into I love it there could be forest in the past but it's actually the exact date of the sale probably in the early 1900s but timber sale there lots of side walls oh no kidding oh that's interesting so sure that's it so there is precedent for designating it well thank you man because our sidewalks are looking a little grumpy well I think that's probably exactly what we were talking about before it just went back into the general fund and then they probably spent whatever sidewalks or something else the interesting part is that there were people through the sidewalks oh no kidding oh that's interesting so I will add I can add this item to the next agenda I'll look at the statutes and then add it into the next agenda or do you guys want to wait until you have more information about the road access costs before you make? I think the policy is different from the specific I think the designation of any revenue from that sale is different from whether or not how much it's going to be yeah no I'm just asking if you guys want to do it in two weeks or if you want to wait until you have more information so you can see I don't care either way I just didn't see the money go to the conservation commission so but I'm happy to put that on the next agenda I don't think there's any hurry with we're a year out from that I wouldn't mind seeing potential uses of that money of what you had to do and by then we'd have better hopefully an idea on the access point because I think the last time I emailed AJ he was I'm trying to forget I'm trying to remember now how you guys had walked you walked fringe but did you go the other route I know there was a question about private property and I put AJ in touch with Carl and I'm not sure I remember we've actually gone on complaints up there the last month or two here confirming the boundaries of the forest we've been going up Woodland Road in our sand hill it's much better than Ringe I think going up Woodland? oh well yeah it's like we're a year closer to town Ringe is scary makes so much more sense there's less to fix up you know all the way to the last house is just a little touches a major repair to a much shorter section of the town isn't it class 3 a part way out is class 3 and then it turns to 4 is it after Tim Mills' property or after the woods can yeah past the next property yeah there's two major landings that we used in the last 10 years we went on each side of the road just before that last camp and they hauled big log trucks in there less than 10 years ago especially if you went the fall winter you weren't going to do much of those roads those guys just got put chains on them I like the logging up and then working on the sand hill and the log trucks coming by it took 90,000 feet off of Washburn before Dennis Woodbop so that's good, yeah well we've been up there in the date time no way I'm doing that she built most of that road there I saw a line there it's all right out in the middle of somebody's door yard where does the road go from here well you missed it so I think yeah that's better we also haven't just put a ton of money into that road either which is also nice no we didn't range but we haven't in the water so that's good all right so we'll put this on a future agenda it sounds like maybe you'll get those ideas to me about that and we can once you get the ideas together where you want to spend the money we'll put you back on the agenda and if you want be as I sign them so if you want to take them to the landowners yeah and then if you just bring them back I'll get them recorded in the land records too thanks anything further you guys are all set there Chris Mary any other sidewalks we got to do Mary no I think it's good I just thought it was interesting yeah definitely well it's definitely something we can look into on do we leave those types of capital back into you know set fund maybe we could change our policy for that or something trails and sidewalks are pretty much the same thing that's how I'm looking at it we are looking for someone to take select word minutes like I'm just realizing I have to pay ketchup here Lisa has retired from the job so if you know anyone wants to take select word minutes get a hold of me no takers I see it's a real job yes it is yes it sure is it's more than being on the board yeah it does we have to do is make a motion in a second that's right yeah exactly it gets $20 $25 an hour there you go $20 $25 an hour sure see you I do the GRB minutes yeah I'm sure you do I do the GRB or the PC minutes now for like CC Kirk four minutes three minutes early you want to go sure you don't have a zoom call and get on right here yeah yeah mostly thank you I just wanted to come and check it as you probably know the legislative session is done for this year the formal part of it is done so this is probably my last monthly visit until January so I just wanted to say hi this session as I said is basically done we're getting together I think on the 23rd, 24th to discuss whether or not to try and override the government's veto on a couple bills but on the 1st we completed it we had an unprecedented amount of finances to distribute as you know with some of the economic development programs that was my committee that we did a lot of that and yeah we've been doing a lot of things and I don't know, is there anything you have questions if not I do want to say that my plan is once or twice a month to stick out a table at the standard shop because now we're going to be able to and I'll post it on my page I'm going to be there for breakfast or lunch in case people want to come and talk to me about what it is up to them and do you have any particular things that you're interested in knowing about or has the state figured out exactly how they're going to spend all the billion dollars that's, I mean I just requested our American Rescue Plan money but obviously there's a bunch of money that's going to be flooded into the state and we've tried to we've done all week and I have to say we've been very lucky we've got a paving grant, we've got our structures grant we've got a better connections grant we've got two better roads grants we're certainly writing for stuff kind of poised to see what's out there and I have emailed you have called everybody I know to get my, if there's a place to have your hand out I have my hand out but I'm just curious there's a lot of money coming into the state and I know that the American Rescue Plan money for us that came directly to municipalities is earmarked for infrastructure pretty much you know, water, sewer, broadband, etc is that the way that the money that the state is receiving from the fed does it have the same constraints as our money or were you just given the money and you guys can spend it as you see there are constraints and even as we were finishing up the session we got the latest draft of the restrictions and it was still clear that this was the latest draft and thought it was probably the final draft and they weren't sure but you know, it's hard to try to allocate money when you don't know all the rules and so but yeah, most of the state has different pots that have different limitations on what it can be spent for just like the might of the town is getting married and in some way it goes straight to the town the rest then gets other allocation which since most in most parts of the country county government is a big part of it and for a lot it's not so they had to figure out what to do in our county destination so the town can do that also and to break that up so it's very confusing well it is so basically though if you've had the money you've given it to the so you've given me trans their share and drinking water their share so basically as long as we look in the right location for our needs they may have they may have COVID I hate to say COVID money but air money or whatever so okay well it's good to know and it's great to hear about those getting all these additional things and some of that I mean being on the commerce you know I spent a lot of time working with the agency on commerce community development and because of all the things that Bethel has done in the past with the fish and the benefit block project and all those things as soon as you say Bethel they don't like it so even though that's not the only just because they like Bethel it wasn't the only criteria why they didn't choose a grant or a bottle but it doesn't hurt them and so well my concern is always the concern about the wall itself and I did speak to the last time it looked it has over a million dollar price tag on BJ we know that and the last time a schedule came out they had the state has bought one house that sits behind it which I'm sure was smart move for them and basically we're getting the same spiel which is it structurally sound and so I did speak to my contact at VTrans and said look I'm okay with it being structurally sound but it looks like hell so could you you know tell me could you at least come in and refinish it even if it's like a skim coat something to make it look nicer because Dietrich and I hung a banner up at the top you know state and the shot and the state 111 permit and all that but when you're standing up they're looking down it's crazy there's big chunks missing and so I had reached out to him and said look just make it look nice at least skim coat it you know and so I don't know what sort of pull or if you hear any rumors let me know I'll do what I can as you probably know that's a decade ago oh I know it's true and I know the fin the bottom fin on the fish doesn't look nice but and Rebecca are looking for maybe there's parts we saved a bunch of the original plywood we just have to locate it and we think we have the paints if not we'll replace the bottom fin there to but still it's and we yeah I'm not sure I hide some of the other crumbling parts that's right actually the state of Vermont because of Bethel I've heard that the state of Vermont is working to create either legislation or policy about artwork because when the fish got okayed one of the they did it I one of the rumor I heard was as in opposition to their legal counsel because legal counsel said let them put up fish what if they wanted something else now you've opened this huge can of worms that anybody could put anywhere so I think because of that even years later now their last I heard was they were working on either a state policy or something to say okay parameters for artwork on state property so it's kind of funny that after all these years it's coming up now and most of the only passes but are they owned by the state or the underpasses railroad nice so but they're they're not they got grant money to do on non state property right exactly so which is yeah better than state property maybe but it's interesting anyways that it's funny that it's now after all these years the states like that's part why trans resisted to say just no need for artwork if they just fix it right that's the solution no more no more palsies just fix the wall well so if you hear anything any movement or any ideas on who I should reach out to just please email me or call me and say hey trees I think you should talk to this guy or thanks comes up but I know that they're they're a big department oh sure hard to access people I've had other people contact me about who transit and I suppose they have secret back doors and stuff and I still get lost well I'll call the person I talked to to say you know where have you kicked it up the chain or kicked it around or whatever but I will say they be trans itself has been excellent to us recently they put up they're putting up signage which I saw they double gated which means they posted signs on both sides of the road going up to Camp Brook Road and on the other side Rochester Mountain Road which was nice of them saying you know no big trucks they also patched Camp Brook Road they put I think like maybe four ton of pavement that was a state does that also get changed on the GPS navigation mapping to or how does that work that's an act of congress I have written to Google, MapQuest Garmin, I mean you name it I sent to a bunch of people and one gentleman from actually MapQuest got back to me and said here's the secret you don't realize everybody operates off the same platform currently there's not a separate GPS software for big trucks but they're in the process of developing one the only one I heard from who actually was going to make any notation was Garmin I think they're one of the smaller GPS but everybody uses you know MapQuest or Google Earth so and they so he was actually really very helpful and said hey here's the secret you're not getting this changed until everybody develops this bigger thing so so we're out there anyways and so for now that's probably the broader telecommunications instead of just following a federal right and then there's a federal website and so which was actually believe it or not helpful and gave me a bunch of links and I contacted everybody on it but right now they're kind of running on this one thing and the gentleman at MapQuest said look you know it's a money issue too he said it's expensive to do that so we'll see I did put that out there so I have tried to contact people but but anyway so they you know so VTrans has been good to Bethel recently very good to us I can't complain actually so they've been good and you know like Tres said you know we've been very successful on on writing and receiving certain grants but at the same time I'll have to say that some of the money that we are receiving for are top priority jobs you know so some of the you know two top priority jobs and we're going to start talking more here as the summer goes at the board on you know kind of re-prioritizing some of our infrastructure jobs we can get on to the next ones but like San Hill is a kind of a top priority job that we've had well submitted three different grants for me I submitted the transportation alternatives which we wouldn't get and then Senator Welch was looking for earmarks so I sent it to him and he said and that didn't get submitted and then I have given it to Sambers and I actually heard back from Hailey last week and said you know don't give up just yet you'll probably you may not know until October but so yeah it's like three times that we've written it. So that's going to be a pretty important one and anybody that's driven up San Hill it's not just the cosmetic stuff that's difficult to drive around now but you know we have aging infrastructure and rather than like Theresa and I were saying like if we can't get it like are we going to have to put a band-aid on it you know and we would hate to have to spend money just to dig it back up in a year but we may have to do that just because it's getting to that point and then you know we'll start talking about what the next segment of the water infrastructure will be and you know I know you know we're talking another large amount you know a dollar figure depending on what we get for grants or or you know loans and things like that will determine how much we're on the hook for but so we'll be looking for you know any type of water assistance programs and I know a lot of them that's how we know it's new stuff right. It was yeah so when it was tagged to new new but not maintaining what you have right that was a part of it but I think they've changed some of that was kind of earlier on and now it's kind of changed a little bit the best thing I think that's happening gonna happen in Bethel is that the American Rescue Plan money has the lead which is great and I think that's what ended up because you're right that's the way they were drinking water was starting and then drinking water themselves and other state agencies I think petitioned the feds and said wait a second you've got to allow people to fix what they have and so they did end up loosening but in the beginning you're right it was new stuff only and we're like we need to fix what we have yeah we've been very successful on getting different grants I wouldn't say all those were the top priority grants but they were like hey you know we're gonna get we're gonna take the money and use it you know. Absolutely. Rather than not receive it and do other jobs but yeah and you know that October we're making more funds available in that fact the legislature is likely to get called back for like a week in October to because state gets it but it has to be appropriated yeah this is yeah it's a way hopefully well either way what he was looking for was a direct appropriation so that would be sweet if it was directly I mean we get it once in a while but to come directly to Bethel so we'll see I'm not sure third time is a charm I submitted that one project otherwise it'll be wrapped up in the next water project but it would be nice to deal because that's water storm water you know and that's a sand hill and bicentennial so but anyways but that'd be great if you hear of anything you think I need to know you know me it'd be great I appreciate it so you're looking forward to going back to in person are there a lot of people that are looking forward to going back in person I have never been there so I'm looking forward to so when you're in person you'll still wear your clothes I'm here they're talking about opening up possibilities for all the public participation via you know zoom or whatever I think the plan is you know because what they're going to do to upgrade some of the communities into different buildings so actually I think the zoom capabilities are going to be there it's going to be a feature because now there are pros and cons to the virtual meetings the con was that people could catch you in the hallway a lot of people understanding you know like you disagree on something and have a good chance that I should just sit down face to face and say oh okay I'm going to disagree on it and that stuff could happen on the other hand you could absolutely sit down so that that creates the availability of information I can't I'll be ready for my report and I said now on Facebook stuff like that like I said in my report I've had people want me to do legislation to change the voting procedures in Georgia I can't do that I certainly have a bunch of people telling me I need to fix the problem with adult that's a good idea yeah I like that one yeah I like that one so sometimes it's just educated how is the best way to read your words but they think you're all powerful so that's kind of nice thank you thank you my next meeting I was just just like for it's that next we have the appointment of the town so public comment or inquiry if there's anything that wasn't on the agenda that anybody like to brand oh wait hold on I got one first you dug you were like just a half a second late I was going to go back to the replay yeah I think you got you what noon tub it was part of it well you know don't make someone kick out I think there's a time limit on that okay yes Doug Tuesday what is the normal Sanders it's on north main oh north main okay okay okay right yeah yeah okay right yeah they're all MSHA certified but so just think it needs some bigger material right there okay yeah yeah when you say wash now is that on the ditch side or is that the embankment side the other side on the riverside okay I think there's also a spot on uh in the bridge up further okay up further yeah just past Chris Heyman yeah just past Christine yeah somewhere past there there's another spot that starting to eat into the road okay thanks all time excellent I don't know how you fix us well sometimes it's just material on the other side like Doug is saying if you're going to have to you know bring in bigger material to stabilize the bank it's tough but we do want to be more do more about the bigger and it's tough too because unless they key it in right the bank it's not going to hold so Doug Jean all right thank you and uh the uh on the top of the wall I don't know because the state owns one house and then someone else just bought the other the red house or not just bought for the last couple years so I don't know I would assume the sidewalk is that what we're calling that thing a sidewalk we were up Deetrey and I were on that a couple weeks ago and I was like wow well do you tell me have you guys maintained that in the past yeah yeah no so I'll get it on the list and talk to them about it I remember trying to cross that when I first came and it was like a telephone pole and a log it was a bunch of stuff you're right at the ranch yeah no because when I walked up the south main park and then down to the town when I first came it was there was I had to turn around and go back so I don't know I'll talk to Richard about it and so he probably doesn't know because if Morgan maintained it he and Morgan didn't overlap so we'll find out yeah yeah well it's good to know sure I'll have Richard walk it and see what he needs to do as well talking about it thank you I'm sure that we are but you know it's such a you know I'm not I know I never put me thought into it so I'm glad you brought it up I'll ask because I know like I said Morgan and Richard didn't overlap so Morgan or Richard wouldn't know from Morgan and that if Allen or anybody never mentioned it so we'll find out yeah yeah no well I can find out not a big deal I'll ask around and find out if it's us we'll deal with it so thank you so I walk above the wall yes Ellie we haven't scheduled to put one there because before it was COVID and we didn't have the staff to clean it so I haven't reordered one yet I wasn't sure is the if the white church but for a while someone had told me the white church was open so people use the bathroom at the white church during the band concert is that not the case I'll have to ask Jean I haven't scheduled to put one back so we spoke today I didn't think to ask him about it if he feels like it's necessary I'll give John a buzz tomorrow and ask him but where I wasn't putting one back after some issues we had down there and up there you know honestly with COVID we pulled them for a specific reason but I'll ask John public comment I'll share a comment or conversation I had with my neighbor Ray the town side of my house he and Chris have been weed whacking and so on the stretch between the two bridges Finley Bridge and the railroad bridge because if that grows up you can't see when you're coming up under that railroad bridge really there isn't a whole lot of room anyway but they felt that it was a it couldn't wait until the annual roadside mowing which was last week and we sent them there was it that last and we actually added that Alan went to meet them to talk to them because Ray had talked to Alan you've got the message yeah no thanks I just wanted to pass that along I was out sorry we got to talking and we mentioned that turning into that bridge under the to go under the railroad is real there isn't a lot of room to figure out if somebody's coming and so it's important to keep that down no you're right and actually Ray had reached out to Alan so Alan talked to the roadside mowers and he was I think he was meeting them there but thank you I saw that it's been done recently I think this was the earliest that we've gotten the roadside mowing done it is you kind of feast her famine and usually we're in July, August August but it's good to get in early this year well you're kind of at their mercy you look at you're at the tail end or you're beginning plus if you get it done usually if you can do it in May or early June you can void some of the invasive species before they flower and seed because most of the time we end up hitting it right at full we're spreading seeds all over the place just the way it falls in the schedule exactly when I talked to Jason Mitchell he just said look Trace you're either going to be at the end of the meeting because last year was the first time we had used him so this year he kind of filled in last year and he had a hole in his schedule because the state hadn't spent money on roadside mowing for a while so we were able to squeak in and then this year he said look I'm doing Rochester so you're going to be done in June I think I heard a lot of compliments about it yeah me too people were happy we have talked about this this has been a decade it's right there is I think Kelly last time we talked about it she was emailing the gentleman to come back and he had come to do his annual maintenance so I think she was going to get him to come back so let me ask her where that stands what's eerie is when it's actually on time then something is wrong it's only an hour and 50 minutes off hey as long as you do the math in your head yeah what throws you off is the clock is accurate to the hour but not to the actual time and the bell is off by an hour and 50 minutes it's just a total mind mess up we'll bring the guy but it's like almost 8 but it's not 8 but it's ringing 6 alright we'll get the guy back it doesn't take much for it to get off and we'll get the guy back anything further comments public wise we have appointment of town force fire warden Gary came in today to sign he's willing to take that on that task he's going to provide your appointment so he is once you get appointed we'll send this to the state he'll get a big rule book he'll get a little ticket book and so things will be taken care of because you're actually supposed to submit permits to the state when you do that you actually get money back you know on money fee for doing that from the state so Gary has said because he's very busy that he will Richard's and Jason Rogers will be deputy force fire warden and he's going to sit down you know Gary it's going to be by the book it's going to be correct and I've offered him any assistance by updating the website things like that from porch form post whatever we can do to assist him so it really tickled that he agreed to step forward and do that so it would be a motion for a 5 year appointment and a select forecast to sign form is this the correct form well it's the one we got so we're going to use it for now and it's the only one they sent so I just crossed out read and put in an appointment form and if they don't like it we have a deadline so I figured we'd get it to him and we'll see he would have thought if they wanted something else I would have assumed they would have sent us something else but oh I just realized Gary forgot to sign down here I took the old buddy I noticed there were a lot of requirements knowledge and training and so on because he, and I'm assuming he's met all of them to what extent we checked yeah oh absolutely no Gary was actually a fire team for many years in the south he has all the ICS Incident Command System Chainings he's actually a trainer himself you know as far as can teach fire safety and he's actually my guess is he's the most trained and certified Bethel fire fighter currently if not the most trained he's at the top and yeah so he's had the manual and he's been reading and still agreed to do it moved to a point Gary Coogler the town fire award second okay all in favor I think it's not if it's in a fit the only thing we would suggest is that people obviously have you know a hose or a bucket of water or something there but the good thing I talked to Gary today is the state once you become the forest fire award there's a link and you get signed up like a listserv and they let you know what the burn situation is in the state well there are times when obviously even if somebody wants to have a little campfire obviously I think Dave gives them a spiel about water sand whatever making sure it's out but it would be nice I'd like to have a link to that on our website so people can obviously see it and say oh it's a you know obviously it's dry right now so a high fire season or whatever so we'll see but it's good to write on those and now you'll have a new person to send them to the next one it used to be with the fires when you built a containment unit on your property that it was I don't think it was a the law but usually you involve the fire department or somebody from the fire department came out to check it out and make sure that it was kosher and then you were good forever you know type deal and then if you had outside containment fire then you needed a fire permit I don't know well yeah well I think yeah I'm not sure that's the case now so when we lived on south main we had we built a small fire ring in the backyard and had Bobby come down and look at it and he had said at the time if it was a if it was just a pit like the ones that are elevated off the ground he doesn't need to come check them out he likes knowing if you've got it but because we were building it right on the ground he wanted to just come see it we didn't need to tell him every time we had a fire in it once he checked it it was fine but it was sort of the yeah the way to make it a kosher you know the fire warden knows about it he said yes it's good to go right yeah plus two it allows once we know what's going on they can call dispatch so that we believe how many calls you get where somebody sees smoke they don't go there they don't give you direction they just yeah yeah well it's true because people with cell phones will say I see smoke but they don't stop they don't tell you where and then the fire department is on a goose chase unless somebody knows they issued a permit thank you so it's Sullivan and Powers scope of services this year the annual this is the annual form they always send you the scope of services every year and this year the fee is 600 okay this is where my question I don't have the same question we were formed last week we were contracted with a different audit firm some 13 of my questions is what will be $9,000 difference between the kind of what you were telling me well it could be a few things honestly so I don't know who they chose for so it also could have done what kind of audit they're doing how much they have in funds versus we do do they have are they auditing just a general fund are they auditing for us when they come obviously they're doing the general fund any of our capital funds any of our they're also doing the public trustees of public funds like the cemetery they're doing the water the sewer so I don't know what their audit entails it's certainly something that we could do next year as far as I don't think we we were in a three-year contract I'll have to see when our contract is with them but you could always put it out to bid I have bid before and they were the you know low bidder especially for when I've done it before so I can't compare apples to apples because I don't know what they're having audited well that's my question yeah well I can ask not for this year because I do believe you're in the midst of a three-year contract yeah I can certainly ask the comment was that one of the gentlemen on the asserts himself with being very knowledgeable of the BRTS board yeah I'm not sure whatever he said that you should always dump your auditors every five years I mean it's probably the same thing it's like you know you're home insurance, care insurance used to shop did every so many years kind of yeah and I think that you had Sullivan Empowers maybe you know a couple years before I came you had several other auditors prior to that I don't know I can't remember how long they've been with you before then when I came I had used them in Bristol we had the same guy for 25 years and then he retired and so we bid it we got Sullivan Empowers sorry but this also includes some of the FEMA stuff oh yeah well no not the single audit but I mean anything that you spend under $750,000 it includes so yeah we had all that FEMA well that's a separate if you do a single audit it's going to be like seven possibly seven grand extra but that's really because of all the federal requirements of the single audit so I couldn't tell you I don't know I also believe you get what you pay for because I know other towns that have kind of cheaped out on their audit some problems down the road but I think we bid it out just like I just feel I need to ask the question oh no and that's fine Dave I don't have problems I just can't tell you because I don't know what they have but what I can say is when I will look and see where we are in their contract if we're on our third year of our three year then we should definitely do an RFP and see what's out there I know they two years ago they gave us a three year contract I don't remember if it was two years ago and then when I see the dollar value I'm trying to is that what we had signed up for the 22 years it was going to go up like a thousand dollars each in the years but it was a set we agreed to a set amount that it would go up and I know I mean if you looked at Beffle there whatever three years ago we were paying like $40,000 on it because we were we were so behind and not just behind we had a lot of things to audit yeah but you weren't behind it was a mess they were doing all the bookkeeping and they were able to kind of get us back on track and I will say sometimes we do have they have more bookkeeping to do than oh sure like maybe Royalton has established better well I wouldn't want to say Royalton has a bookkeeping but I have a person that does that well they would have before it was great and Royalton has a really different structure they have a very different financial structure they don't do capital funds, they do provincial funds so they may not be including provincial funds in their audit so I think there's a lot of difference between how they finance and how we finance it's a possibility and I also know the BRTS has been unhappy with the price that Sullivan and Powers has charged them so all along so I knew that they made that clear when I got here and I just said well for now you have who we have but next year maybe that would be different maybe the BRTS board will say they want to but it's tough until they're so part of the town we kind of need them we need to be in control of their audit and that was part of the discussion but I think that's being sort of out separate we just brought up the why such a difference maybe the next time you have a chance to talk with them Theresa maybe we can bring it up I think they picked a brand on what all their auditing will be well they don't audit they don't audit no no I meant you could bring it up that you heard about a different firm auditing then well I could ask how we're open to share their RFP results but anyways but yeah Steve I think that when we're ready for this is our third year that we should definitely do it just to see what's out there and see what the price is and what it's going to cost to someone to come in and do it I agree so I'll make no contracts that is question mark so I can find out because if we are in our third year we can do an RFP after this year after this year and see what's up there yep so we just need a motion to approve the Sullivan Empowers Scopa Services for 21 22 okay all in favor aye did that need to be signed by us yep where is it two separate ones to sign yeah it's the same saying one is theirs and one is ours that's why I said there's two to sign the only list is to talk about the equipment committee's recommendation to purchase a 2021 6500 HD and associated equipment that's for you and the so the equipment committee people looked they vendor brought up a vehicle it was kind of researched because Tumbridge actually recently bought one of these vehicles and the equipment committee was looking to replace the one ton so they'd like to hang on to the one ton because there's not a lot of trade value left in it to allow people to use for training and so I think it was Ryan and Alan that saw this vehicle they looked through it and then we got all the specs from them and from Tenco and took it to the equipment committee and they felt that this was the right vehicle for the town they were looking for something that was a little bit more heavy duty than the existing one ton and I think I put some information in your packet they also priced with Tenco um I think in the past we've used Fairfield so um and they also I included in your packet a little updated highway equipment fund these guys have been great about this about the money and you know we kind of play with it a little bit each time when we talk about it we'd realize we didn't have the sidewalk plow in there this time so we chatted about that and um the equipment committee is having Alan currently on a skid steer so you can see we have some money in there then they jockeyed some things around and felt that it's nice because these guys Jeff Gellman is one of them and they go to these big equipment shows so they're kind of looking to see what's out there and plus too they have the equipment themselves and their operators so it's helpful to know you have somebody it's why you have an equipment committee so somebody knowledgeable is doing the work for you so um this is not alone obviously it's money it's coming to you because it's meant out of the capital equipment fund and uh this is their recommendation the good news is this vehicle is in Vermont they have so which is a huge thing because of COVID obviously you're all aware that things are just way out so right now this is here um and we still are going to have to jockey and position the tent co as at first it was going to be seven months out just for a truck and then you're behind even that many more months possibly for the body and the plow but we're hoping that since we have a vehicle now we may be able to jockey a little bit with tent co to say okay somebody else is not going to get their cab and chassis until later maybe it can get moved into the rotation we're just discussing the truck the skid steer and sidewall plowing is a separate yeah I just want to make you know they were both in there and I didn't know if we were discussing both tonight or well I just realized that yes what um that I had it highlighted on the um it was in their minutes because they talked about it but I also realized that my copy shows that cabota sidewall plow highlighted and so it's just I just want to tell you why they had talked about it but I don't think I gave you any information on the sidewalk did I other than that no excuse me yeah no it was just what they talked about um the other thing too was sorry so this was the um in the minutes currently there is not a an extended warranty however the dealer believes that an extended service plan will be available well before our factory warranty expires so he suggested we budget five thousand for the purchase of that later um that is something that the equipment committee also said you know they wanted to see you get the extended warranty so we're looking for a motion to approve the equipment committee's uh I have one quick question uh-huh all this mumbo-jumbo here I have no idea what this truck is because it's a N-B-V-R-V-S-A-2 blah blah blah blah blah what the hell is that my concern is the number of the GBWR gross vehicle vehicle vehicle weight rating what's a GCWR gross combined vehicle and gross CW okay gross combined CW weight rating so that's what I think that takes into consideration trailering and because the 19-5 keeps it under a CDL license gross CDL license 24-9 or 24-9 CDL is anything over yeah I don't think they're going to need a CDL I'm pretty sure it's 24 and that's what it is saying the truck itself you're fine to drive it but if you I'll make it up if you attached a 10,000 pound GBW trailer to it and was hauling a you know, a Kubota tractor on it then you would reach your CDL that's what it says gross combined weight rating is the maximum level weight of both the loaded tow vehicle and the loaded trailer I know I just tried to give them to you so that you it's Greek to me but it's what they do so they understand so does this push the one time to be stored outside then? like it's going to hurt it it pushes it probably yeah it pushes it like that far from being obsolete other than it's got really no value under just going to keep it it's got to be inside and the greater outside so I'm thinking it's got to be a $250,000 vehicle outside and I had it's not anything to do with the equipment committee because we empower them to make these decisions for us seems like they're doing a pretty good job but the concerns I have is looking through the highway equipment fund I had a couple of questions so the first one in the 25, 26 budgeting right now looks like we have three large pieces of equipment to do that and our fund is going to go from a fund balance to a pretty large negative so how do we plan on swinging that or are some of these pieces going to move again? they could move again I mean that's the thing you're trying to build a schedule based on maybe it's an eight year retention for vehicles and 20 or something for 10 to 20 depending what the equipment is so we've talked about that a little bit to say what's it's in a flux it's a document that changes based on what they're the last time we had the grader they had finally well they had agreed at the time they said let's put 10 to 15,000 in the grader to buy us some time and so which is what they did so then they pushed it out we may have to do alone we could maybe just have a down payment for the grader at that point if you have those three pieces and then you have you know four years later you have the grader but I guess the other concern I still have is every time we have a discussion about buying something the grader gets pushed back another year well and it's true because then they talked about that originally that grader was going to get replaced like next year and now it's like 2030 you know so well I can tell you the conversation is that realistic or are we just pushing it out there as a nice place no they seem to think it's realistic because what they had said look let's have more tracks go through it they put 10 grand into it and actually Jeff had brought this up because he had been at an equipment show recently and he said we've got to hold this grader as long as we can because some of the stuff that's coming out now he said it's crazy it's all really a lot of electric and it's a lot of computer stuff that's just going to go wrong he said I think we're smarter to hold on to it this longer maybe better off putting money into it so you know it's something they have ongoing conversations about it like us you know they don't have crystal balls but you can see I've increased 125 to 130 at the top but it may end up being a down payment we may end up saying at this point was we get closer to say okay look we can't afford the grader straight out we're going to have to make a good down payment and then take a loan for a few years to cover the grader we know that's coming and as far as the 250 the international and the loader they all know we actually chatted about this the fact that they were all at once and my guess is going to be is that one of these is going to get shifted to 26 2026, 2027 but it depends you know the international right now is in good shape and they're maintaining it and if they can get another then I think that they will but it also could be we have to borrow money at some point because like I said we don't have that well I guess that was kind of where I was heading with that discussion is coming this upcoming budget season should we start looking at increasing the the highway equipment fund to make up for some of these I think you're right four or five years down the road rather than have our spike should we start trying to round that if we need to but again that's like knowing that these pieces are getting done at that time and that's kind of what I did was took I went 120, 120, 125, 125, 130, 130 and then I stayed at 130 the whole point of our funds is to try to bell curve it and these spikes and valleys and I just see you know minus 130,000 that tells me that you know we're doing one of these and we want to do this so does that mean we need to add some to it over the next four years so that we can compensate or I think it does or does one of those pieces get moved or you know well I think some of it's hard to tell I mean it's just you know I mean you can see that I've changed the revenue stream to kind of to try to be this incremental and maybe we have to tighten it but it's hard to know I mean you know if something isn't an accident and then you have a deductible so maybe you know we have an insurance claim and then that does something to the vehicle and so then it's all of a sudden out of the rotation but I think this is like anything this is what they're looking at by trying to what does the vehicle look like now versus you know and how well it's been maintained so you know it's a conversation and every time we meet we have this conversation but the good news is we're meeting again in the next month or so so I will speak to them again about this and just say you know I give them this every time and every time we make little tweaks so I will be sure that we have for a more in-depth conversation about it and just say look what do you guys want to do you know the good thing is is they're tax payers so they tend to be like you know one of them was saying oh we should do this and we should do that and I said well if you want to give a million dollars we will do that but currently we can't and so um but I get what you're saying Chris but this is what they came out at the same time we've had our repair oh through the roof our equipment repair line has been in the last three or four years so like you know it's one thing to invest in new purchases having our maintenance line coming down but you know both of them are moving into upward trends it's true because you still are in a cycle where well once the one time goes obviously and then um this vehicle you'll have two new trucks the international is actually in good shape Alan said that himself and look it's Doug he said Doug maintained it so the international is in is in good shape and he actually said I think we can push that one out so but we'll chat about it again like I said we're going to have another meeting I think um it'll be this month or and when would this vehicle be in service or puts the timeline on worst case scenario it's going to be seven months for 10 co to get a body and plow and all that it depends with how back they are for COVID so how would you know it's a Chevy I'm sorry it's a 65 one time yes sir yeah yeah so this is this is to replace the one time we were just talking about in the equipment plan capital equipment plan just talking about a replacement schedule for everything you know we had we've done a capital plan for all the equipment and so we were talking about was one of them was the 2017 international you know could that go another year do we have to hold it what are we what are we doing but I'll give you this you can look at it and then I'd you know love to hear your thoughts on it that's the last draft that I did with the equipment committee a couple of weeks ago you know just trying to plan out a long range plan Doug for how long they're going to hold stuff but you can have that I was just saying if you get a heavy you need a Chevy or whatever it was you need to look at that oh exactly and that's what they did and now that they do it what happened to the we got a reference call what about the freight line that's in the equipment so one freight liner yes we sold right or we traded the other freight liner is should be back hopefully in a couple of weeks it's at it was in an accident that was all the body that was one that the dumb body was damaged it was an accident so it has been at Fairfield I've been saying freight liner it's been at Fairfield getting a new body what about boarding to get traded through the victim eventually yes but they felt like the cab and chassis and engine where everything was shaped so they felt because of the insurance claim and the body being upgraded that it actually would be able to go longer but and you can see it in the schedule how far they pushed it out but another thing on the course the freighter and stuff the freighter went to the last talking to your idea the money they had they don't need about 200,000 or so and even more but you're getting down on slide you're doing all the other stuff you can pay them later yeah I mean I think they you can knock off the freighter all that's good because there's a price tag on it about 400,000 we don't really need all the bells and whistles and GPS capabilities and all that exactly and they know that I mean that's one of the reasons that one of the members of the equipment committee is Jeff Gilman and he'd been to an equipment show and he said we don't need all this stuff that's coming out now we want a greater I think simple but he said a lot of the stuff coming out now is like GPS capabilities and then you set the blade and it just goes bad and he's like yeah and he said and he said no and that's exactly what he said his concern is that down the road we are not going to be able to find anything without that stuff but right now it's got a big price tag on it the greater I think they had a 410 but again it's down the road but yeah look it over let me know be happy to hear what you think so unless we have any further comments or discussions on this if we don't then we just need a motion to approve the purchase of this 2021 6500 HD and associated equipment for one $154,465 so just gonna be like they did the one ton for plowing campground that was one of the things that we talked about yeah exactly the problem with the other one ton is they put too big equipment on it and it's putting more stress on the brain the brain could that's something else too we really should the bigger price should be when it's actually dealing you have to what's going up and down the road what's going up and down the road 20 times the big truck or the well we had this conversation last year about that because I told them no more I said you can use this one ton for salt maybe scrape some off but it's not designed to do what it's doing so we had talked about that to add that to each person's route because mainly that's gonna be let's see Hazen and exactly that saying the bigger trucks have got to pick up camp broke I think part of the problem is what are they carrying they're carrying dirt because they're coming off camp bowler side roads so somebody goes back and salts it but agree the big truck should be doing camp well the little truck should be doing the small cleanups in and around the village and the small side roads and things like that shouldn't be touching any big and that's what killed the other one ton was plowing up campground and it had a win on it and it shouldn't and the equipment was well oversized equipment for the chassis and that's what really did that truck and it should never have been doing that type of work so I guess that would be the question is making sure that this truck is absolutely up fit yeah correctly and used correctly and that we can get longevity out of it and that's what these guys you know you should see that in the village area you know doing all your cleanup and some of those small roads like up here North North Street but but no you're right I think well the big trucks carry dirt so they're not spreading dirt on camp they're playing salt so they gotta do their roads they were supposed to be picking it up and plowing it and then I do think they were salting it with the one ton probably save somebody what from going back to the shop dumping their loaded dirt to pick up salt to go to camp but we've told them that you know they can't be plowing with they couldn't last year with the one ton even once we took the they could scrape it off a little bit before they salted it but they were not to be you know doing anything crazy why don't you use an imagine here we can find tiny we just need a motion so move so motion by Jean in second all in favor catering license request American craft spirits we've seen it before you just have to approve it Pam will sign it her signature goes on the bottom you can see it's funny I'm alive but that's just the way it is you guys say approved or denied and she helps us on that like it's from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. yeah that's just a private event doesn't say what it is so just need a motion for that so move second all in favor is that one that we have to sign no Jean I mean she Pam are you going to sign it yeah nope and then we just just to adopt the local hazard medication plan which you did before and she gave me some suggestions I made the edits then I thought I was supposed to have you sign at that point so I did and then because I've never written hazard mitigation plan before and then she came back and she said she wanted me to I had to do some work on my review toolkit which was fine checklist so I did do that and then she said now I need the select board to adopt it I'm like okay like we've been through this so I'm like okay so this monkey will be officially off my back so you do need a a motion to for the for the resolution to adopt so you need to move to adopt the resolution for the 2021 local hazard mitigation plan so moved second second by Jean all in favor so this is the 14th thank you so you all need to sign it sorry about that next time we do it we'll have a grant written for some of us that is it there and let's see and the rec committee had some proposed fundraisers for these are the exact same ones that Ellie outlined the last time she was here she told you about the bottle drive the duathlon silent auction the coin drop you had already approved so she had already you know mentioned these to you but following the fund raising policy they made an official request so that's it for the bottle drive duathlon silent auction question about the duathlon is that I know we have insurance that covers all the activities they did because this is a race also by the insurance because if you're the one sponsoring it so yes if you're the one sponsoring the duathlon will you have medical staff there well you guys have done for years you did it with forward fest you did the 5k when you did forward fest I've seen them before and I haven't seen any requirements the insurance companies no but I mean it would be a good question though I think Ellie I think he makes a good point is that something or let's see for the duathlon the swim I know you're gonna have lifeguards on duty so I know for the swim there'll be lifeguards then my suggestion might be Paul because that's a really good idea good point is for in the motion say you approve the fundraiser but they the duathlon but that they need to be in contact with the war va so at least they've either war va's either there or they have you know alerted war va in advance I think that's a great idea oh I'm sorry wait we found the ambulance sorry so I think that would be a good thing to put in the motion something else I think that would be a good thing to put in the motion would be a great way to incorporate other people too so so the only question I had on this was so when we built the skate park we had the extra piece of it that was costed more yep eight grand about about a thousand dollars and then we had talked about that any direct fundraisers for the skate park that that eight thousand or whatever eight five hundred whatever it was paid back prior to any more money going towards the skate park is that correct? yes yep and they've raised enough money to cover that I wanted to know okay yep okay no I just wanted to make sure that that was clear perfect okay you're all paid up you don't have to send the collectors out to get you well I just wanted to make sure that was in my brain so I was wondering why yeah we just went over this okay okay I mean I don't think you need any I don't think you need a motion to approve these well you have a fundraising policy now and it says that the board will approve that the board has to approve fundraisers so you what you could do is just you have to make a formal motion but if you want to make sure that during the duathlon that they have at least made contact with weight-revelling ambulance to let them know to put them on alert then you could at least say that if it's if you don't want to do a formal motion your policy just says that you will approve fundraisers so you can do a motion but so then you can approve them but just so you let them have it but they have to call the board okay everybody in agreement with that fundraisers just make sure that weight-revelling isn't maybe we can work something out where the constable would be on duty at that time or something could help out too it's always nice to have the constable in around activities like that because it might be a little more traffic involved in village and all that stuff so we'll so that's good, yeah so before the duathlon just make sure you talk to the constable and the valley ambulance so they may not want to be present but they may at least want to have somebody on standby or something maybe we'll find volunteers that will be more than happy to provide a little relief tent or shelter there's always people that are first responder CPR certified nice yeah Bethel Royalton Transfer Board line of credit so you guys talked about this at your joint select board meeting with Royal 1010 Bethel and then the RTS board has spoken about as well so they were looking for a $200,000 line of credit so I completed and submitted a cash flow analysis to Bar Harbor I did complete the application and got that to John Buddy and then John called me today so to ask me a question about it I told him that once he got the loan papers drafted I'd send them to Stitzel Page and Fletcher for a legal review he said he wasn't going to need a legal opinion which surprised me but that's fine but we'll still have them review the loan documents I also told him I had to go to both towns so he was either going to have to do two sets or once that with two signature pages whatever so we had that conversation today you know the cash flow analysis did not bear out to $200,000 and I did say that to Jerry I'm like you sure you want but the agreement is basically it's not like they're going to deposit $200,000 you only have to draw what you need and then as far as my understanding is from Jerry that they'll Bar Harbor will bill you monthly bill the the RTS board monthly bill the RTS monthly so that you can pay the interest and then hopefully pay back any principal that you've borrowed or that's been borrowed so anyways I know Jerry's action until they see the loan documents and John doesn't even know yet what the interest rate is going to be when I ask him today how are we looking at in regards to the the debt that was owed now that we're coming to close our vehicle year out the last time we transferred money at the beginning of June they didn't owe us any money and we actually took the payroll money that was coming the next week in advance I told Jerry that I sent him the paperwork and said look for once you're going to owe us we're going to be ahead so you've got a payroll coming so we took the same amount we had done for the prior payroll and he was good so right now that's good I know there's some outstanding equipment repair bills and anything else that's going to come in at the tail end but the last we did at the beginning of June the transfer station did not owe the town of Bethel any money at that point now I was saying two we haven't but I haven't seen the final numbers but no she did a couple nine thousand dollar days I mean they're still Saturday was slow when they did five rounds we have another date set for our coming back well I think what David Barker had said was that they wanted at least three months and that all the subcommittees were supposed to have all your questions answered within that's what I thought that's totally happened it was three months so I have it on my notes but I haven't made the appointment yet I haven't seen that the BRCS board seems like they still have questions but I know one of the committees hasn't met yet there's your update fall so I'll make a note but I do have that on my calendar as a kind of a question hanging out there so so is that something we'll see at the next meeting I'm hoping that you see at the next meeting that is what I told John was I would like to have had this the documents been viewed by the attorney and in your packet to sign I also July 1 we're hoping that by then the Bar Harbor account will be open because Pan is going to do all the paperwork and then July 1 the transfer station to start depositing into that Bar Harbor account then your money started on a fresh audit years going into the new account so we need to take action on the next meeting yeah I mean just now it's kind of a FYI this is what's happening and you guys have all kind of agreed to do it and Jerry had brought up the amount when you met jointly before everybody understood they needed their own line of credit so I don't think transferring to Bar Harbor is contingent they're going to Bar Harbor yeah but we've done we've Jane has I think or maybe Pam has or Jane can get Pam all the paperwork I didn't even account set up they were just waiting and we had said we want to start fresh July 1 so as of right now we're not sure if we're going to Bar Harbor no we're sure we're going to Bar Harbor we're not sure we're doing the line of credit yeah but we haven't got the interest rate so we're not sure oh I got it oh the line of credit yeah right exactly so we'll see but so just more of an FYI than anything else so I will make a note but at least as far as we know we're whole yes yep we were at the beginning of June we were whole but we haven't done it since they were in May actually they caught it in May just because it relates to the line of credit discussion Jen actually presented us with some numbers we had requested that she pull from the fee change how it's looked and what those numbers have actually played out with and it actually was really positive it looks like the fee change is on track to sort of level things out quite a bit the compost was pretty much covering itself which was great recycling obviously is still going to cost the facility but we're bringing in significantly more than we were losing which is so it's not recycling will never be in a break even but we're offsetting some of that deficit so there was some really positive news in terms of how we got to this place of being in so much debt and why we're even discussing this and then the fee change being a one potential remedy to that sort of discrepancy that was happening in the budget I mean it's good to see it pan out that was one of the things that we'd recommended when we had done the budget was going to 170 a ton I'm not sure what she told you I had cautioned her I said you know make sure that the board understands that when your revenue goes up they need to look down at your tip hauling expense because if that money is coming up so is that expense and we did sort of talk about good so I had said that to her make sure that you know you're presenting both sides that revenue is up and that expense is up too but that's great about the compost because that's a lot of dealing with that labor wise pulling the bags out that are actually not decomposing you actually have to remove those so somebody you know I think sometimes you forget about the labor cost that ties into that stuff that's good but another town that has kind of similar they obviously don't have their own dump but they have a small transfer service kind of like ours you know maybe slightly smaller and just seeing how they handle things there and what they do is they charge everybody coming in so either by the bag or by the ton and then to get into the facility so when you come in and you're at the front gate you either pay X amount per bag for whatever it doesn't matter if it's loom, can, bottle, whatever or cardboard you pay one you pay upfront and then once you're into the facility then it's up to the citizen to then dispose of the materials correctly so I just got me thinking about the whole recycling thing because you had a set fee for recycling right so but then you don't know like it's people taking advantage on one end of the other so I just thought it was interesting at this town how they right up front they get you when you come in so you know that's fine you know you've got your truck pole we're gonna charge you for your truck pole and then once you're in then you need to deposit your items in the bin the correct bin is glass and stuff like that and they still have people working there to make sure people aren't just dumping stuff well I mean it's I mean you're pretty much on the I mean you have like this I think we had two people at this one but I mean you're kind of always kind of on the honor system right I mean they do have employees that work there that's good because if they contaminate a load by something they lose that makes sense if they do that yeah I mean sure if you move that I've seen places like that where the the scale house is like in the beginning so as soon as you come in you're but I just I got thinking because I was you know you can have plenty of time to thank while you're sitting in the big great traffic circle so I you know I got thinking one time I mean who is to say I mean somebody could technically drive in with their recyclables just deposit the recyclables drive out nobody would ever know that they were in there right I mean could happen right so right in theory I mean I mean there's nobody really sitting there watching everybody that's depositing the recyclables in their bins you know yeah where I like this theory where they like at the gate they would say okay I get five bags and you would either pay by the bag or you drive onto the scale and once you're into the facility and you drove up to the appropriate dumpster you know this is glass this is cardboard and then you I guess at least the facility knows that they've gotten there and nobody's taken advantage of them somehow so because I think there's probably a lot of a lot of revenue that we've lost over the years based on that there was a scale too landfill that we oversaw and it was you know you came in and you did your recycling on the right you went over the scale first to go in before you went and dumped but people even then were opposing it because they were hiding tires under brush was free and they hide the tires underneath and you know some is going to hit you next one there okay so often cannabis retailers or integrated licensee establishment so this is a discussion only item but this is something that you will have to it has to be voted on in the next so we obviously we didn't this year because we didn't have to so we kind of put it off a year because you know we knew we weren't going to do it in person I think this is a conversation there's going to be a lot of discussion if watching randolph's front porch forum and other places is backing forth about it so I gave you the information I have and I said in my packet that this is really discussion only I think we're going to need to come up with a list of questions or whatever and for me I can do some research because what I put in here for you is what I know about it I gave you what the motion would look like basically you're allowing the town whether basically chris made the analogy whether you're dry so if you want shall the town authorize cannabis retailers and integrated licensees in town pursuant to the statute or if you only want to allow only cannabis retailers or integrated licensees you have to vote on them separately okay I gave you what I had which is a copy of the statute and a cannabis retailer is a person licensed by the board to sell cannabis cannabis products to adults 21 years of age and older for offsite consumption in regards to the chapter integrated licensee a person licensed by the board to engage in the activities of a cultivator, wholesaler actual retailer, testing laboratory in accordance with this chapter so and let's see I also gave you the other information about what you can do so prior to allowing someone to operate within a municipality you have to vote obviously the vote has to pass and then it does talk to you a little bit about anybody if we host an establishment you may establish a cannabis control commission my guess is kind of be just like you're the local liquor control so I would assume you would also become the local cannabis control board and so obviously you can issue an administered licenses just like you do liquor licenses so it's an interesting thing I mean obviously it's already I gave you some sample warning language it passed in Randolph, Waterbury, a bunch of other places but my understanding was it wasn't in effect for a little bit longer and then the state this session was they were talking about taking it up again and I'm not sure what they what came out I looked on the LCT's website on Friday to see if there was any new information available I don't see any so it's going to be one of those you don't have a choice you have to put it in front of the voters no that's a bit of an Australian ballot if you have a regular town meeting you can have an Australian ballot in one item I think that means that if you have an Australian ballot which we had this last year then that's okay you don't have to talk about it that's where I'm interpreting yeah because you don't generally vote Australian ballot in Bethel on like zoning regulations and certain things so I'd have to ask my take is the same Dave's is if you are an Australian ballot town already however you all know you have the ability at town meeting someone just has to stand up and request a paper ballot so you can you can do that you could say so you could do that but as we get closer I'll have more information because the good news is this was passed in other towns so hopefully someone else has figured some of this information out but you're not going to have a choice you have to vote it this year when we chose to do Australian ballot I remember there were sort of special circumstances but were those just for this year and we couldn't adopt a similar situation of Australian ballot the only way you would have to take that before the voters you'd have to vote on it the town meeting 2022 which would be for 2023 exactly so Teresa how does it work I don't know if they've decided yet how the taxation I don't think they've decided yet that was what I was wondering you're not going to get anything out of it when it talked about allowing it it's said that there was the town could enact a local like a one percent if you don't already have a local you know so let's say if you're the town of Williston and you already have a localized tax of one percent or something you could set this cannabis up under that same one percent or you could make it ten percent being that Bethel doesn't have a localized tax you would have to implement one just to be able to get to that I was hoping that the state would just like a liquor license if you get a liquor license some of that money comes to the town I think it would be the same but my guess is we're going to get a fee from a liquor license if you were going to you're right some people do some people fund a fire department by implementing a special tax I know it's also tough on businesses when they're trying to draw business they don't want to actually tax but I don't know I wanted to bring it up to you because it's something we're going to have to you know we're going to talk about because it has to go in front of the voters and right now you know what I know I'm still not grasping how it's going all over the country but it's still a federal offense it's a federal law for these states and towns they're breaking the federal law well I think right now the only thing I can't figure well the government but one of them in particular is if you go to the bank with $10,000 in cash you have to sign this federal form so the last I've been one of the problems that happened in Colorado was my understanding from talking to a couple of people from Colorado was the people that were you know selling and the house money couldn't put it in the bank so they're driving property values up because everybody has cash and they need to invest so they're paying all their bills in cash they're buying property in cash which is driving up so if you're a regular job who lives there you're looking at a feed up trailer on a postage stamp for $325,000 you can't afford to live there it's kind of driving you out so that's my thing and there was talk I heard about on the news about this federal government saying okay look if all the states are doing this we may have to because they see it it's a huge tax revenue and they need the money so you know I don't know Dave it's kind of wondered to me is the bank I mean I'm assuming that there's a lot of safety deposit boxes out there with a lot of cash sitting in them because if you're putting it in on the $500,000 increments without flagging iris what are you doing and how are they getting money if you know they're getting loans because I agree with you I don't know but I do know it's until the feds come on board especially bank but as a local identity when it comes to the town of Bethel it's going to be basically no different than dealing with liquor license for us it's going to be once your town has decided if it is like we were saying be a dry town or not be a dry town so if they vote positive for this then it would be there would be a permit that would come before but we would now be the cannabis board slash all our different apps and it would be no different than tonight it would be an application and you read through the application and then you approve it or not approve it and all you're going to get is a small little kickback on the registration fee which is going to be like you just didn't get a kickback it's really not going to be anything for the town to profit other than maybe there's the opportunity for a business so the state is the one that's really proctoring from this yeah unless you're right unless somebody puts a business in and that business is a draw for people from other towns we know right now that Randolph has approved it but we also now now everybody else around us is going to have to put it out of the bat they probably did what we did which was that this is a discussion we need to have in person and I don't know if you've read front porch form or not there was a lot of back and forth in Randolph I read front porch form I read any of that Jean it was it was interesting everybody had a side and a thought and in the end they were going to cast a vote and we will know all by then whether or not it's going to go you know I think it's going to be a voice vote but but if that changes we'll see what kind of sugars out you know the legislative wrap up and all that seems like they end and then it takes a couple months for all that stuff to trickle down this does raise another issue for town meeting thinking and that is whether or not we want to consider all the part of the town meeting to be held Australian right you have I think that's I think that's something we have to discuss yeah and you can it's going to be one of those things somebody could petition for it you know for resident or the select board itself could have a discussion decide whether or not they want to do it you can also do you know different hybrids I know towns where the select board all the officers are Australian ballot along with the school budget of course it is now maybe any sometimes zoning planning questions that all went Australian ballot but their budget was still voted voice vote at a town meeting so but then I've seen other towns where they do the whole like we did last year the whole lunch a lot of us on and it's hard because some people feel it really takes away something because how many people came to our budget informational meeting where is town meeting that's right our usual audience here when you have a town meeting you know you have so many more people and there's a state law about town meeting and work having to give people town meeting so they can attend the town meeting in their community so but yeah it's definitely a conversation I think it's something to consider yeah it's definitely something to talk about it's always like everything there's pros and cons and history and all that stuff alright we're all in the interest of time because they won't stay here late tonight and talk about personal issues so we'll have more information so this will come up as I have it anything left on the town managers or other than the shooting range insurance discussion or yes so we sold the case tractor sold so that's sold that money goes into the sewer fund as Mill pointed out when he was a supper member so it sold for ten thousand dollars so that's going to go into the sewer capital fund okay and bye I made a request I had to go online and make a request for our American Rescue Plan money so I did make a request for our first share of that I met with a roofler the other day who's going to fix town hall we have a leak over here in the corner so he's going to fix that do a $200 or so when we do a little more repair to the town garage because the old addition just abuts to the roof so he's going to put in some tape there at least to stop it for now they looked at the town office roof this is my second person who said we do need a new roof on town the town office I told him the patient the soffit were rotted as well he's going to come back in a couple weeks or more and give me an estimate and then I'll be able to you know put that out he doesn't believe all the roof decking is rotted but he's going to come in and take a closer look so big thank you Dave Walter Getty because he helped me I couldn't find anyone to come look at town hall and he gave me a name and the gentleman was awesome came right over we talked briefly about the shooting range I worked at the last meeting and it wasn't until this afternoon that I actually we've been denied our first insurance quote when we applied the company had denied us and gave us some reasons as to why we were denied then we made a second application and I just heard today this company Texas is willing to ensure shooting range and actually not putting any caveats in place which really surprised me because the other company turned us down and said no because we don't have X, Y and Z so this is a $2 million coverage and we were obviously working through our insurance company BLCT passive for a general aggregate limit of $2 million and the premium is $1,330 which is so surprising because they figured when I had spoken to Vicki last she said she figured at least five brands and the coverages are on fire with what BLCT was the one who wanted us to do something about it and they were going to I think have a I'm not sure they would cover us frankly so that being said I did speak to Skip Griff in this afternoon and he's going hand in day we're going to come to the select board meeting because they do want to see some changes to the rules so something we can talk about there but in the meantime I'm going to move forward with this insurance policy and this is actually I couldn't believe it well that's what I said that's exactly what I said when I read it and I was talking to Skip I said oh Skip here's the answer they're from Texas and now he laughed we said the same thing to you yeah I'm pretty shocked that's a yeah me too it's better than I thought for a year call them up is that for five years it's a no it's a yeah it's a one-year premium it's from Jim you better call back a wheel and deal and see if you can get that down a little 614 2021 614 2022 but I well I'll tell you we were sweating I also I told you the tractor sold also I had written letters that were not in your packet to two property owners and Bethel one who had a property that had been you know damaged in an accident that's been two years since anything's been done that you know explained to him the rules about that same thing one building that had had a fire recently so I sent letters both of those properties letting them know that you know they there's other processes that they don't want to kick in so they need to take action to start dealing with that so I did that I would like to schedule time I talked Chris briefly about this I think we need to we need to talk about a vision financially for Bethel we realize that our next as you know we've talked about it our next water project is you know 1.7 million I think it's going to have to go I think it's going to belong on the entire town for the full tax rate we're looking at updating the town garage something that we know with my 600,000 that I had you know three architects saying no way I still think there's another option there maybe bringing in somebody who just does metal buildings to see if they do like a design build see what we can do you know the roof on the town hall is not our town office isn't a big deal but we also are going to have two other water projects you know we're looking at probably seven to ten years maybe or five to ten I want to set a plan with that sit down and talk to Tim about that but that's another you know seven million dollars possibly so and that won't have to come for a while but I think we need to look at these things you know I had a great discussion the other day with Eric Fenson with Fenson chair planning and DRV about talking about zoning regulations so that when we do them the next time that we need to do some redistricting and I think that we're going to have to open some more land up for subdivision we need to encourage the growth I had a great conversation with Rick and we spent we went through each area of town and how much of the town is already in the flood plain where it can't be developed or where it has conservation easements so it can't be developed so you know we need to make room to increase our grand list and this may be the way to do it so I mean I can see you know the short term but I want to look at the long term about how water sewer rates and if we can't grow the system and this has been Paul we've talked about this quite a bit is it has to go on the entire tax rate and to make it more palatable so that people we can continue to live in the village and have water sewer it's all all together you know if you're living in the village you're paying for grading and you're paying for other amenities and maybe you don't get whereas if you live outside the district you're paying for sidewalks and there's kind of this give and take because we're a community so I just think that we you know I Chris had suggested which is a good one get together a timeline you know obviously I have a capital building plan we have capital roads but to try to put this together in a sort of a financial vision and kind of talk about this because you know I sweat this stuff every day you know looking at it you know well you should do this or you should when you give me a million or two million I'll put that on the list but in the meantime we need to make it affordable for people to stay here but yet we still have to fix there's some stuff that's been neglected so while people maybe not current residents but maybe their parents have been able to take advantage of the fact that they've had a low water bill or a low sewer bill or a lower tax bill but those things that weren't being taken care of at the time you know it's we're paying the piper now and are going to be so I just think it's something that we need to look at you know as a whole and have a conversation about so I figure you can worry about the same thing I think it's something we you know that I'd like to schedule for a board meeting and try to pull some things together so that we could kind of sit down and maybe just look at the same financial picture together and put our heads together and see what our you know thoughts are we kind of manage pieces but no definitely that is that's it that's all mine perfect oh wait you did read my good news right that we got the paving grants that we got a structures grant paving grant so it's good and that's all I have excuse me select board meeting minutes from the 24th of May any questions in regards to those are we good to approve as written thank you I'd move to approve as written all in favor other communications yeah and I so there's a lot of minutes I did give you a copy of the notice we put out for the water project I also gave you I don't know if everybody reads the herald so I gave you a copy of the equity and inclusion interview so I just wanted you to be able to see that because I don't want to get to the paper notice the road closure and then yeah there's a lot of minutes so the DRB the PC's meeting this Wednesday night this Wednesday night we're meeting and basically going to be approving Rick and I wrote this this big of the amendment the plan you have to make you know to go to the select board PC's looked at it once no no we chatted about the changes and now I sent you guys the report okay I'm trying to remember Gene how we did this so we're going to talk about that once they approve the report any changes then the PC will set their public hearing they'll have their public hearing once that goes and they will submit it to you so you will do your public hearing next on any zoning amendment so that's also coming down the fight for you guys questions about anything else in their packet any other business to come before the board before we enter into executive session just a comment on the packet I was appreciated the article that was in the recent payroll oh good good you know I had seen that before but that was that was a heads up for the town yeah I mean I thought it was night I mean I wanted you to know what I said obviously I tried to represent the board and but Dylan was great I have to say that I asked him in advance for the questions he was busy I was busy and we had a nice discussion about it and he had I knew he had seen Jesse and Owen and then obviously David so overall entertain a motion to enter executive session for personnel discussion I'll put the statute in later we got a motion so move okay we are in my daughter's like are you coming home I'm like I made the mistake tonight of saying I'll be home around 8