 One maluma, huh? Here you are, man. You know that this is for me such a big dream to be in touch with you. You must play the body, you must play the mind, you must play your emotions, you must play your energies. Only and only when there is no fear of suffering, will you walk your life full stride. For me te viero, déjame decirte. Se ve que el te trata bien que es todo un caballero. Namaskaram, who wants? Nam... One maluma, huh? Here you are, man. How you doing? I am doing well. Where are you? Are you in Medellín? Yeah, in Colombia. Thank you so much for coming. I hear a lot of transformation in Medellín in a big way. A lot of beautiful things happening there. Yeah, it is a beautiful city, it is a beautiful country. Well, I am always flying around but this is home for me and I am so happy to have this conversation with you here in my house in my home, my hometown Medellín. Thanks for your time. Wonderful. I have, you know like I have met your Prime Minister and I have met also Ricardo Lozano-Picon. You know he is the Environment and Sustainability Minister. He's been inviting me to Colombia for quite some time but... Do you have any plans to come? No. You must take me there. Why not? See, I've traveled everywhere in the world except South America. You know that it's incredible because we have a lot of people who really love you from Colombia and from Medellín especially. If you are one of them, I am coming. No, of course. Of course I am and hopefully I could see you in person, no? Where are you now? I'm in India in our Isharoga Center in India in Coimbatore. We have a backyard. Can you stay there? No, in another few days I'll be in the United States in a week or so, in two weeks or so. I want to go to India. That's one of my biggest dreams. You must come. Tell me when you want to come. We'll set up something for you. Okay. Something we can do. Nice. Thank you. Thank you very much. Well, you know that this is for me such a big dream to be in touch with you. I don't know, for me it's something like almost unreal because for me you're one of my biggest inspirations. I'm in this crazy industry, the music industry. I started when I was 16 years old and I'm already 27. So I had to live so many things at the same time. So my life is being changed real quick. So if it wasn't because of your teachings or your lessons, I wouldn't be the strong man that I'm right now. So I wanted to thank you. I'm pretty thankful to you. Thank you. I have a couple of questions. I don't know. May I? Yeah, please. Any kind of question is okay. But I heard that you make your Colombian coffee. I've had that but you must come to South India and have coffee. Then you may not leave this place. You know, someone told me that the coffee in India is crazy good, yeah? South Indian coffee, where we are is the best coffee you can find. Well, have you tried the Colombian one? Yes, I have. It's good. And what do you think? Is it better? Oh, it's very rich but it can't be better. Come on. Okay, I love coffee too and I drink coffee every morning. So well, we have something in common too. So Sad, I wanted to ask you this because for me it's pretty important because I don't know when I'm going to stop working. You know what I mean? Because sometimes I feel like... Hey, I thought you were singing. You're singing means not worker. You're getting to sing and why is it worker? Don't call it worker. Okay, well for me because I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot. So when I'm on stage, of course I feel like I'm not working but you have so many compromises and so many things to do. At the same time it's not only about singing. And sometimes I feel like I need to stop or slow down a little bit but I feel like a lot of pressure every day when I wake up because there's a lot of people like they eat because of my job. So I feel like I do it for me but sometimes I also feel like I do it for a lot of people around me. So I feel if I take the decision to stop, I'm going to be kind of evil with the world and with me. What do you think about it? See, one, you need to understand this. Even in our life there are only two things. One is profoundness of experience within ourselves. People think they're doing different things. Somebody sings, somebody dances, somebody drinks, somebody drugs, somebody prays, somebody meditates, somebody goes after conquest and wealth and whatever. All this is essentially seeking profoundness of experience. You want to experience something more. The man who goes to the temple and the man who goes to the bar, they're looking for the same thing. They want profoundness of experience. One thinks it's in heaven, another thinks it's in the bottle, all right? But essentially all human experience happens within us. It never happened in heaven nor did it happen in the bottle. Bottle might have stimulated something, but heaven might have stimulated something. But all experience, pain and pleasure, joy and misery, agony and ecstasy, everything happened only within us. So profoundness of experience has to happen first. For this there are tools to see how our experience is very profound, no matter we're doing a big thing or a small thing. Right now you're breathing. Do you think it's a very big thing or a small thing? It's a big thing, yeah. If it's a small thing you must give it up, I'm saying. It is the biggest thing you're doing. But a lot of people think that's not good enough. They must be doing something else. If you understand or if you realize an experience just breathing is such a phenomenal thing. Being alive is the greatest thing that's happening in the universe. Right now is you're alive, all right? So profoundness of experience, there is a way to create this. What Inner Engineering is about, that you make your experience of life very profound. Once your experience of life is very profound, whether you're doing this or that doesn't make a difference. Whether you're on stage being, you know, performing, people clapping and urinating, all that is fine. Or you're simply sitting and breathing, both will be same experience in terms of profoundness. Once you do that, now what is the next thing? As human beings, any way we are performing some activity. The question is, is our activity impactful or not? That's all the question. Some people are performing impactful activity. Some people are spinning on the same place, you know? There's no traction. They're just spinning in the same place. Now in your life, when you have the opportunity to do something that you love to do, this is very important because most people are doing something. Very grateful. Most people are doing something that doesn't mean anything. You know, certain surveys in the United States of America shows, seventy percent of the people hate their work, all right? Hate, not dislike, not tense, hate. So five days, five days in a week, if you do something that you hate, naturally weekend you are overdosed. What else will you do? So when you have a life where you're doing something that you love to do and it is also for whatever reasons, it's the times. See, we must understand the impact of what we are doing is not all hours. It is the times in which we exist. See, only because of twenty-first century, twenty-twenty-one that we are sitting here, that you are sitting in what... Medellin and I'm sitting in Coimbatore but we can be talking. You think in nineteen-twenty-one we could have done this? No, of course not. Definitely not. Do you think we could have done it a thousand years ago? No, it's only now. So we are talking like this because it's a consequence of time. So let us not think that everything, the impact that we are creating in the world is not all hours. We are just riding on the times. So right now, you're doing what you love to do. You are creating the impact. Only thing is, profoundness of experience has to come, that your experience of being alive has to become so profound. It doesn't matter what you have to do today. Maybe next one year you won't sing, you'll be doing only management and sales and nonsense and whatever, but still even that can be profound aspect of your work. That can be profound experience. If your experience of being alive is profound, everything becomes profound. You sit and breathe is profound. You take a morsel of food, it's profound. You look at a mountain or a river or a cloud, it becomes profound. Everything becomes profound because you have done that to yourself, because human experience happens within us, not because of what is around us. It is happening that way because that's the way we are. That is what we need to attend to. If that one thing you attend to, your genius will flower. You may produce things that you have not imagined possible in your life. So, you've worked for eleven years and now you're talking like a tired old man, maybe I have to stop and nobody even put you to work, you're just singing, man. Yeah, yeah. No, I understand absolutely, but I don't know, sometimes it's just the feeling of being tired, it plays a little game in your mind, you know? Because you feel like when I feel sometimes that I have to do certain things, I feel like I feel under pressure and I don't like that because I feel like I'm a free soul, you know? That's what I love composing, that's what I love going to the studio, that's what I love going and performing. So, sometimes when the thing gets serious, you know, I feel like I don't like it that much, I still do it, but sometimes I feel like, well, when I started, it was just like living this dream and sometimes it gets not only a dream because the business is involved with it too, you know? So, I don't want to feel like one day I'm going to lose the sparkle, you know? It's not happening now, it's not happening now because I'm pretty happy, I'm very grateful and I'm working in my next album and feel pretty inspired, but I don't want to wake up one day and feel like my dreams are over. Come here, Buddha. Let me show this to my dog, his name is Buddha. Well, look at that, say hi, you're blessed, man. Look who's watching you. So, one, you just said, what you are saying is essentially different activities are doing different things to you. You said it plays in your mind. What you need to do is nothing should play in your mind, you should play in your mind, not something else. Something else is playing in your mind, usually traditionally they would say you're possessed. All right? Nothing else should play in your mind except you. Your mind is your play field. Nobody has any business to play there. Your mind is your play field. Only you should be playing there. Somebody else, something else playing there means we've gotten a few fundamental things off. If you were playing in your mind, if you were deciding what should happen in your mind, right now and every moment of your life, would you choose to keep yourself blissful or miserable? What's your choice? Yeah? So that's what needs to happen, that you must be playing your mind. Your mind should not be playing you. Your body should not be playing you. You must play the body, you must play the mind, you must play your emotions, you must play your energies. Right now it's like the road is driving you. Then where you will go, we know where you will go, all right? If you're driving, you can choose to go where you want. So these are fundamentals that people have missed in their life. This is what I'm calling as inner engineering. Engineering yourself in such a way, you engineer yourself in the way you want yourself to be. See, you don't have to be the way I want you to be. You must be the way you want to be because in the end, if you really look at it, you ask any human being, this question I just asked you now, if there was a choice, would you like to be miserable or blissful? Believe me, 100% of the population, when they're in their senses, they will say blissful, yes or no? So if all of us want the same thing, what is the problem? The problem is we have not taken charge of it. We think something else is doing it. Now, nothing else is doing it. This is why it is very important in the yogic system, we said your life is your karma. This means karma means action, your life is your doing. But I didn't do this, I didn't do the stress, I didn't do the anxiety, I didn't do the depression. No, you are doing it, it's just that it is such a elaborate and sophisticated mechanism, you don't have a full grip on it, that's the whole problem. See, for example, right now people will say, oh, if I go sit on the beach, I feel so peaceful, office is a terrible place, all right? You just park them on the beach for next seven days, you will see how miserable these people are, okay? Just they were only enjoying a little distance from what they were doing. People say, I'm suffering my work, fire them and see how happy they will be, they won't be. So the problem is not in what we are doing, the problem is we have not taken charge of our faculties. If everything, your thought and emotion, not even everything, if your thought and emotion just happen the way you want, you would definitely be blissful every moment of your life, isn't it? And only... Only and only when there is pleasantness of experience, your intelligence, your genius, the most wonderful aspects of who you are will come out. When you're not in a pleasant experience, ugly things will come out. Mm-hmm, wow. Yeah, totally right, thank you. I never thought about it like that, thank you. Okay, I have a question for you. I don't know because... Yeah, but you can ask me any number of questions, but in the end you got to sing for me. I'm going to, of course. I'm going to learn a song from India and then I'm going to sing it to you. No, no, no, today you must sing for me. If you sing for me, I will... In your song somewhere I will sing two sentences for you. Okay, how's that? Okay, I'm going to sing for you, I'm going to sing for you. Question... I have this question because it gets me kind of confused sometimes. For what's been spiritual? See, when you say myself, the headphones that you're wearing, is that you? No. No? Yeah? It's yours, it's not you, right? Yeah, yeah. Right now it is making you hear things better than your ears would do by themselves. But still you know it's not you, you're wearing it, so it's yours, but it's not you. If it doesn't work, you'll get rid of it and put a new one. Now, let's talk about your ears. Are they yours or is it you? No, that's me. Really? No. Do you say my ear or do you say, hear me? Well, my ear, yeah. Yes, so it is yours, it's not you. If your ears are yours, not you, your eyes, are they your eyes or is it you? Well, my eyes, yeah. Your eyes. Same goes for the nose, Same goes for your voice, I'm coming to deeper things now. Your vocal cords, all they're all yours, not you, right? It's yours. So this very body is yours because you gathered it over a period of time. You were not born like this. You came like this like a little baby and slowly you gathered this. How? Just the food that you eat. Now I don't want to talk about the South American food. We need to do some changes there. No, next time you come to my house are you going to love it? You're going to like it, I'm sure. So the food that we've eaten has become the body. How did food come? Just the earth became food, food became body. One day this body will become earth once again. Yes or no? So what you call as my body is something that you gathered. What you gather cannot be you, it can only be yours. So this body is yours, it's fine, for now only it is yours. In another hundred years it'll not be yours. Countless number of people walked this planet before you and me. Where are they now? They're all topsoil, isn't it? So you and me also will become topsoil, I will go before you don't worry. So let's see, that's great. We will become topsoil. So essentially we have gathered this body and made it what it is. What you call as our mind is the impressions we have taken in from around us. By seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching we have gathered so many impressions that is also gathered. So what you call as body is a heap of food, what you call as mind is a heap of impressions. So what you gather cannot be you, it can only be yours. So your body is yours, your mind is yours, where is you, I'm asking. It's my spirit? No, no, no, don't come to conclusion. Where are you right now? I'm here in Medellin, my house. No, your body is in Medellin in the studio with a dog bothering you from behind. That is your body. Where are you? Okay. Well, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter but you do exist, isn't it? You definitely exist. So what is this that I call as myself, when you begin to experience that which is beyond all accumulations, which is beyond physical nature, then we say you are spiritual. Spiritual is not a belief system, spiritual is not a religion, spiritual is not an ideology or philosophy, spiritual means you have started experiencing something beyond the physicality of who you are. Beyond your physical self, you started experiencing something. This means you're spiritual. Okay. Wow. I want you to look at the next face of that. If you're experiencing yourself beyond what you call as my body, beyond what you call as my mind, this is the end of suffering in your life because there are only two types of suffering, physical suffering and mental suffering. Do you know any other kind of suffering? No, only those. Only those. Once you are beyond this body, beyond this mind, when you start experiencing something beyond that, this is the end of suffering. Once there is no fear of suffering, only and only when there is no fear of suffering will you walk your life full stride. Otherwise, the fear of suffering is always making people take half steps, never take full steps. Okay. So, if a human being wants to realize their full potential in their existence here, the most important thing is that you must know something beyond your body and beyond your mind. You must know whatever happens with your life, still there is something beyond that which is absolutely spectacular because life is the most spectacular thing happening here. When that is in your experience, not in your belief but in your experience, then you will walk full stride realizing the full potential of what an individual human being can do and that's what needs to happen to every human being. Wow. Wow. That's beautiful. Yeah, because I feel like I lived it already. Things beyond my mind and my body, I felt it before. Things that is kind of difficult to explain but that's when I feel like that's the spiritual world for me, when it's something that is almost, for me, it's almost impossible to describe but I just feel it from the bottom. I would say a whole lot of human beings, many, many of them in the world would have had moments like that. Some people might have had more moments than somebody else but almost every human being at some point in their life, they would have touched something which is beyond physicality. Only problem is they are not able to stay there because it is like a trampoline. They are jumping up and feeling something but they are falling back. What they need is a staircase. So this is what inner engineering is. It's a staircase to get there and stay there. And how is the right way to stay, to get there and stay there? I will ask them to send you a... I will ask them to send you a preparatory seven-session thing for you. It's called inner engineering online. I'll ask them to send you a link today itself. You just go through the seven sessions. This will clear the mind in terms of what is it that we are doing wrong with ourselves. And then there is a... There is a completion program which can also be done online or physically in United States or in India where there's a powerful process. So this process is called Shambhavi. Can you pronounce Shambhavi? Shambhavi. Yeah, that's great. Once you do it you will start singing about it for sure because if you sit... This is just a twenty-one minute practice. If you sit and do Shambhavi, if you sit here what happens is your body will be here, your mind is somewhere else, what is you is elsewhere. Once a clear gap arises between you and your body, between you and your mind. So you're sitting there like with three identities of body, mind and yourself. But when you open your eyes again you get stuck. But if you keep doing it morning evening every day, a day will come when you open your eyes you're still the same way. Your body is here, mind is there, what is you is here. Once there is this separation you can use your body and your mind in ways that people cannot imagine possible. You can live in such a way that people think you're superhuman. But this is not about being superhuman. This is about realizing that being human itself is super. Even if you look at it in terms of evolution, well on this planet the most evolved creature on this planet is human being. This means we are literally on top of the world. But human beings... But human beings are not experiencing life like it's top of the world. They are one species who are cribbing all the time. Wow! And even you, even you are successful musician at the age of twenty-nine. You are super successful and you are cribbing. I know, I know, I know. You know I started meditating when I was twelve years old and it was weird here in Colombia or the Occident, you know, like people they didn't understand what we were doing. So we were like a pretty small group of people that we used to meditate every day and to be honest it changed my life. And I've been doing it since I was twelve years old and if you send me, how's it called, Shah? It's called... Let's call it Inner Engineering. It's easy that way. Shambhavi. Shambhavi, the Shambhavi that will help me a lot too. And I want to bring those lessons to my country because I know that there are a lot of people here, there's a lot of people here who they get, they get a stock in pretty difficult moments in their life and I try to teach them what I've been doing for so many years and it's kind of difficult for them to understand. So... For larger groups of people we will send you another one which is all these things that are available free for people to do. It's called Isha Kriya. Millions of people around the world are doing it. I will ask them to send that to you, you share it with as many people as you want because they must do this. Because you know this whole thing is about, my whole effort is this, when I was twenty-five years of age, I came to a very profound experience within myself, unasked, simply it happened. I was just sitting somewhere and I suddenly found every cell in my body burst into an ecstatic state. So it didn't just for a few minutes but it lasted for hours and if I close my eyes, I think it's two minutes but seven, eight hours would be gone like this, you know, I would feel like this because I was so ecstatic. Then after a few weeks I realized, if I don't mess with my mind, I'm ecstatic. I'm just like dripping ecstasy. Then the fool that I was at the age of twenty-five, I sat down and made a plan that at that time the world's population was five-point-six billion people. I made a plan, in the next two-and-a-half years I will make the whole world ecstatic. Who will not want it? Well, forty years, look at me. Well, we touched a little over nearly, nearly, we've touched nearly two billion people but we've touched nearly two billion people. You're doing an amazing job, you're doing an amazing job, wow. But I will die of failure, I know that. So if all your fans start meditating a little bit, at least a simple form of meditation, I will include, you know, better my failure percentages. Okay. Okay, I'm going to tell my fans that they have to live it because it's, it worked for me, it is working for me, I'm a very happy young man, I want to keep dreaming, I want to keep achieving many goals but I want to teach them where I live and right now. So I really wanted to be in touch with you so you can say by yourself, thank you. This Isha Kriya is available in Spanish also, the instructions are in Spanish. Great, I have another question and this is something that I always think about and it's about karma, what is a bad and a good karma? See, the word karma literally means action, what is action? See, now you're sitting there, even if you're not saying anything, not doing anything, your body is in some kind of action, isn't it? Physical action is happening. Mental action is happening, emotional action is happening. It may be pleasant, it may be unpleasant but some action is happening. For all these three activities to happen, the energetic action is also happening. So four dimensions of karma, all of us are performing every moment of our life in wakefulness and in sleep, we are performing karma. But last 24 hours, what time is it in Columbia right now? It's 10 a.m. Oh, okay. So in the last 24 hours if you look back, how much of these four dimensions of karma did you perform consciously? If you look at that, it is way below one percent for almost every human being on the planet because what the body is doing, what the mind is doing, what the emotions are doing, what our life energies are doing, we are not aware of this. Only small percentage you're aware. Right now, for example, do you ride motorcycles? Yeah, I love eight TVs. Four wheels. Eight TV, got four wheels. That's not for a young man. I ride motorcycles. What is this? I used to have one, but I don't know, I got afraid of it. I don't know what, yeah. You must come and ride with me. Please, please, please, I'm not going to feel afraid next to you. I rode across United States last season, you know that last year? Yeah, I saw it. I saw you. Amazing. So, suppose you're riding a ATV, let's say. Out of ten minutes of driving it, nine minutes you close your eyes and drive. You know what will happen? Disaster only. Yes. Right now, if we are not even conscious, even of one percent of the activity that we are performing within ourselves, and we think why life is happening, the way it's happening, everything looks like an accident simply because we're unconscious most of the time. If you bring, let's say, two to five percent of your daily karma into conscious process, suddenly you look like a miraculous human being for everybody else. Yeah. So, karma is neither bad nor good. It is not a system of reward and punishment. It is just that every action that you do, it's like this. See right now, if I see you, suppose I know you well and I see you, you're walking half a mile away, I can't recognize you. But just the way you move your hand, I will know, oh, it is him. Yes or no? Yeah. Because this is your karma, that is the way you move your hand. That is the way you walk, that is the way you speak, that's the way you do things. This is how karma is. Because every action that you perform, it leaves a residual footprint within us. Initially it starts as a chemical footprint, then it becomes an energetic footprint, then it becomes a karmic footprint. So every action that you do, you move your hand like this, it is leaving a footprint. You say something, it's leaving a footprint. You generate a thought, it's leaving a footprint. This is life's way of recording everything that you do, because that's how you become a person, all right? It is a karmic memory which makes you a certain kind of person. Suppose we wipe out all your memory, then you wouldn't know who you are, you are not a person anymore, because personality needs memory, isn't it? So karma is the basis of who you are. People are thinking there is bad karma, good karma, no. We have performed actions all kinds. Some are physical actions, some are mental, some are emotional. For a whole lot of human beings in today's world, in the modern world, ninety percent of their life is psychological and emotional karma. Only ten percent they're doing activity. Maybe two centuries ago they were doing more physical karma and less mental karma. But today there is more mental and emotional karma and very little physical karma. So, especially mental karma leaves a strong footprint upon everything that you are. The way you think, the way you feel, the way you project things, all this is leaving an imprint. After some time, it makes you like an automatic human being. After that you don't have to think, anyway you will do it that way. I am saying the way somebody brushes their teeth is unique to each person. That's how life is, you know? Everybody doesn't brush their teeth the same way. Because that is karma. The memory that we have in our system function in a certain way. Or slowly it forms a rut. So, once if you're driving ATVs, you have definitely driven in ruts, isn't it? Where there are pathways, it's gone inside. Whatever you try to do, it just keeps going in the rut. So karma is like that, if you are not conscious, it will form a rut. After that, after some time, it looks like somebody else is running your life. It looks like some other destiny is running your life. So if you make efforts to make yourself conscious about the karma that you are performing on a daily basis, you will see you will become the person who crafts your own destiny. Somebody else or something else will not craft your destiny. So karma is the most dynamic way to live. When I say my life is my karma, I'm saying my life is my making. This is the most dynamic way to exist. But unfortunately, people are interpreting it like it's a fatalistic thing. Are you karma, what can I do? No, no, karma means it's what you have done. If you understand everything that's happening to you right now, you're feeling wonderful, you're feeling horrible. Both these things are done by you if you understand this. Naturally, you will do wonderful things, isn't it? Right now, I think I'm feeling wonderful, maybe God is nice to me, I'm feeling horrible, maybe devil is bothering me. Well, you can't fix it anymore. You cannot fix it anymore. Oh my God, that's so true. Wow, thank you. That's amazing, wow. Speechless. You must sing the song now, this is the time. Okay, I'm going to sing for you like a romantic song, yeah? Okay. Or hey, reggaeton, you like reggaeton? Reggaeton is fine with me. Romantic song don't want if it's directed towards me. I wanna love you and treat you right. I wanna love you every day and every night. We'll be together, yeah. But now I'm going to sing one of my, because that was Bob Marley. I'm going to sing one of my songs. I'm going to sing this one. There you go. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you for your lessons. I'm your fan. I love what you do in this amazing world that we live in. I'm feeling very grateful. My aunt also, she loves you so much. Also her kids, they're always in your videos. They're always asking you. Please give my regards and blessing to your aunt and the kids, especially the kids. Of course. And they're so young. I mean Apollo, he's six years old. I am also a fan of one of your Colombian football stars. We call him James, you call him something else, but what do you call him? James, you like soccer? Yeah, yeah. How about Rodriguez? Yeah, how about Rodriguez? Yeah, he's one of the best football stars. He's a spectacular player, but somehow he didn't make it as big as he should have. Maybe... Well, you should talk to him. Because in terms of talent, he's fantastic, but... I think only if he moves to Europe, you become famous. If you live in South America, it gets... It's difficult. It's kind of difficult, I know. Well, thank you very much. Thanks for your time. What time is there? Right now it's 8.45 in the evening. Okay. Have a great night then. Say hi to your team. Thank you very much. I hope to see you pretty soon in person. All the best for you. We must get up somewhere. I am in United States for three months. If you're coming there, we'll catch up with you. I'll be there. I'll be there in Miami. I'll be there in Miami and also Los Angeles. Okay then. Okay. We'll catch up. Thank you very much. Thank you. Namaskar. Bless you. Bye. Wonderful. You're on all the best for you.