 Kana Kenyan gospel artis survive fully on the art? No. Bado, Bado? Bado, Bado. Ita depend, ita depend. If you're in the top 5, I'm at top 10, yes you can. But if not, elas mo tapiga grind. But I don't think even a secular artist can survive without side hustles. I don't think so. Ebu ni ambi moja mone na side hustle. Mi siwaju sana hosani, nyi nindob na uju wa? I think nani sana. Ngumu, sauti solo kuna solo generation. So everyone has to find something else to supplement whatever you're doing. So it's not even about gospel or secular. It's more of as a creative. In Kenya, creatives are not paid what they deserve. Generally. Mi always observe. I'm very keen on research and all that. I always see when we guys bring an Nigerian artist. Ukiangali kwa YouTube zao wana kwa gassilend for like 3 months. But when they come in Kenya wana fanya show, wakiru dimaju, the first thing they do, they buy a range. Why is that? Kenyans pay like crazy, but they don't pay their people. They will pay Nigerians, they will pay what range, they will pay hilsong. What do you think is the reason they don't pay their people? It's more of a culture. And it takes the whole community to change it. Kasi mimi mimi may change. Kuna do ya nisi jai guza in like the last 4 years. You can't your level, I can't because I have people I have to look out for. I have people around me who work full time for me. So last matu, I have to pay them. I have to pay them. So I think it's a culture, but it can change when we all come together. Hi, how are you? I hope you're doing well. My name is Ndanya, the gracious host. And today I'm joined by the one and only. Wale ma legend. Chris, I've known you for how long? Tell me. I think nileza kuskiza 10 years ago. Shaks. I'm that old. Yesterday I met a chick. And she told me, you know I used to listen to you when I was in class 1. I didn't mention the kongenimu. I don't know because I'm a Jesus. What is this? But thank you for having me. Beautiful as ever. Thank you. Congratulations on the grind. Thank you. We're trying. We're trying. I see you doing the most. I see you doing the most. Finally. Finally. Tu met after the interview? In the interview I met Pangu for more than a year and a half or something. But we're here now. We're here. Watcha kwenye hawa kujui. Just introduce yourself. My name is Chris Ero. Chris, have you been? Niko fiti. Okay, besides kuchawaka. I'm top here. Niko good. What have you been up to? The grind. The grind is on. I'm doing a big project in the next few days. So it's been sleepless nights for the past few weeks. We'll talk about that. Actually in the morning when I was looking at the wardrobe, niljulizakinawa nini. Because I have a lot I'm doing. Nika se maapa na dunga comfortably. Munya na nipenda tani chukwa tuiwo. You guys judge me if you want. Nihon me chapele tuiwo katishao nini nini. Matu na kapo ha? Thank you so much. On brand Lazima. The big of the clan man. Yadano wa masaiwat. Chris na honga masaiwuku ilama nijina. Nijina too. What's up ayu? Nini mknya. Google me baby. Google me. Nini nini. It's a musical style. I had done music for a long time. For like six years. Nilkona na gigu na pigu wama kofi na waluwa tuatatu wama kuhinvite. Amo na kwa postai miyandiko emoji. Eko dida. Juliani. And many others. I love konezu alama za duku duku tatu. Eskumodja nilkona meja miyandika. Nijina ngo ito hiyandiko kwa hii posta. I took time off recording. And I took it after God. Na piyaso searching na research. Nilkona miyandika nga goda ni fanya different from everyone else. Nilkona ni kia miyandika watu hii. Don't do drugs. Oana wanas mea e kresa mese ma nini. So apondiyo ki ma sayi kujia. We were just freestyling with one of my friends ane ito mutua. Nakuwa ga mkamba obviously. Nilkona kuwe mkamba. So thulkuwa tunachapa freestyle in the sitting room. Thulkuwa ma piga. Ini mkamba so hulkuwa nachapa. Asim bulao wacha ni kusho. So the vibe was really good. So, since then, I've been using the Maasai style. I was the first one, it was so hard. Kwa pili kangomu na mbo toi u shambahu ku. For real, and the way out here we see it, just... Ah, no, it took me so long before it caught up. But God knew I'm faithful because Tuliachiliyanga e Baba, nika perform poor, it got me a few deals, record label nika sayinu ana sakata, and then nika fungu a bigger door later, kus nili toka sakata imidit li tukachiliyanga mbaba. So, mbaba now broke everything out, niki lakitu yika fungu ka. Okay, it's image of God's timing. God's timing na piya ku take time off. It's not always about wone kana kilasa wuna grind nini, always learn to take a step back. Chris has been in the game for 15 years. 15 years. This is the 15th year. Mimikwanzat like to know, kus most of the people you guys started with, wali changed to secular. Most ni na, see wengi. But wako? Trust see wengi. Do wako, wako, wako. But it's a conandrum, kus it probably not made in a kubo, nimi kwa na lani. It ku take time off ni po, yu ma sayi me pungu wa. Niki zungu na kwa mingi. It's a conandrum. Nini situation flani, last ma, you know especially church people are very judgmental and opinionated. So, for me siye zangi ku judge, kus I have been through all seasons. Sata mimi me pitiwa season ni aku feel, igos beli kuende na wuko. Most people who do music when they do was a grind. People are trying to put food on the table. Na just being honest, gos beli me kwa a bit low when it comes to gigs and all that. Big gigs, gigs ziko, but not like the big paying gigs, the corporate and all that. So, kuna asani tu ya ni, in your grind ya na immediately ya machine do ku ekele food ku ameza, you can't judge them for flipping. Acha acha pe grind wuko. And some of them who I meet when ya wa me switch, they are still the gos bel artists, it's just that they grind to wanna pig. So, I don't judge people, you do you, but me I know when your time comes, na rode tu. Hata sisi tu me kwa wuko, it's nothing new. But when I was in ground over the years, how judge part are the other side? First of all, mi siku jitakum ziki. This was a calling for me. I was informed too. Niki, nikianda ku do gos bel and all that. So, it was a calling and God made my vision very clear. So, for me it doesn't matter how far I go, I always find myself coming back. And also, I do positive music. I don't like, I do, I like doing music then as an uplift to say. So, secular to mi handi kamiu patiyana by the way, I do produce. I produce for people, I do write for people, but mu patiyana. But when it comes for me dropping my music, I need my music to uplift people because the world is already hard enough. Muna takangoma mitwa kiskeza, anakwa uplifted. Ataka life in hard age. Yeah. Will you consider doing a laugh song? I have a few. Hey! Every private title is cut after. Just kiyangoma ngune to my baby. Ay, for real? Ebu maki dugu? Let me start by a saint umekua area. Sinili kusho life ita kua meria. Wali kua waki kula kuku. Sisi next door tunakula producta kuku. It's called YouTube. Google me. Well, Google. Kusmutu operator ki plani. I think I'll do more next year because there are a few projects we are working with like M.O.S. and Josh and the team in Nekonayo. So probably next year, I'll change my paint. Nazi taka, you know life is a beautiful thing. I'll change my paint. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know. Next year, I'll probably put out more. Okay, let's talk about Amos and Josh. How did you guys meet and metwango maflani? Kali? It's always on repeat. Thank you so much. I'm a boys' wango. We fellowship in the same church. I'm a Pasi by the way. That's something most people don't know. We have a lot of friends who say, I'm a pastor. But I'm a boy wango sana and they have been doing the most. They are very talented. I mean, projects like Niawa Jachiliha they are still recording music and their comeback will be too big. How long have you collaborated? How long have you been in the studio? We've been in church for months. We've never even talked about we've never even talked about music. We're just vibing, seeing my boys. We're doing other things. Until kumoja bishop a kajam bishop poli o dendo kusama apa na mozi kwa muna lalisha isi talenta zote up. You guys make sure my studio is here. Nili kwa na idea for like 2 weeks. Nili kwa 2 kuakili kwa mia don't write down my music. I create them in my mind. Nili kia 2 studio na my boys and a few hours later we had sit in Yamaza. A hours later kama yuza zi talent nini. Mili kwa fkiri rebebe mingi studio 1 week kuna songs 2 lifanya na less than 30 minutes. So kumzi mei kaisha? Mumbaba Ya Mumbaba was real quick. I don't think 2 li ma liza 1 na kwa Mumbaba. And when I was recording Mumbaba it wasn't even my instrumental. Producer li kwa me jam, li kwa me delete kwa zia li kwa me make yam mungi na umu om se kai kata. Si kweja nika kata producer nika blanda nini niba e Nibiwa flashbed kUyimaredan Recorded the full song 1 time. Nama boys zombies Nisa geno BGv Okay, ebu chwen bikoza chapatrapi sitanya maza? Oh, sitanya maza out now, that's my new song featuring Emus and Josh, Taipata YouTube and all the streaming platforms. Sitanya maza, my YouTube channel is Chris Aero, K-R-I-S-E-W-R-O-H. It's a beautiful piece of work. Kwa tuwa lu kwa na goja ni shout, kwa tuwa lu kwa... That's why even that song, Sijeka Jin Aero anywhere. Cos it's a... Yeah, I'm a product of evolution musically. So, yo song nili try kuh get yo mudia usas, hiya kuhimba kuhimba. Nili struggle. Ebu na kuhuli struggle, hiya katu flawless. Nini nisi zangu jo. But I tried my best and it's a really beautiful piece of work. Okay, let's talk about what you do in charity. So, what do you do in charity? We do charity at Kwa Mboka. That's what we do on the low. Tell us about it, like in details. What are you doing in the ground? First of all, I think me and you already know, we have a heart to serve. We have a heart to serve especially kids. So, we hope kids can get to my partner. We visit different children's homes and also homes as we know, we call it autism and cerebral palsy and we just visit them, cook for them food, breakfast, tea, and then after food kukulana nini, we plant trees and then at least fruit trees. Two, three years down the line we eat tuna, avocados and all that and then we leave them shopping at least four, five months just to help the home visit. The trick is, we guys only go where we are needed. Atuendangi place, we always choose those who actually need our help. Tuna ga mazpo nios, PRCC. It's own aju as you changan nini tuna meet kakuna tuflani, we chip in what we have and then we make sure we give back to the kids. And it's been an amazing journey. We have done it for over three years now. So, that's around, I think we've touched over 10,000 kids so it's in the up by now because we do it every month. Clearly, Chris is the hard to serve. Tuna, kwa expect anyone in future to skie jini me badili kwa pasta, Chris? No, no, no. I've never had the fascination to be a pasta. Mini me ito kufani habitu zingini nisi kwa pasta. Kuna stress zingini na mi amuesin let. Stress garnish, surely. Aki Chris have been heartbroken. Aki this man of mine. I mean taco blast. Kusura joa, your personality na, you're an open person. You're very warm as well. But we'll see in later. We'll see again. I don't think I'm that sensitive sometimes. Kus mi upia ita depend palu nani pata. Sometimes I'm wholesome. I'm like a big teddy bear. Other times na nani pata I don't take crap. Sia zi kwa pasta. Inakwa too hard. It's not in me. It's not in me. But I love serving. I love mentoring. So I love mentoring. Talents. Anyone who's a creative. Anyone who has a business idea. My mind is made for creativity and expanding things. So umtua kikuja ni ambenia. Jini kwa na idea. Fulani ya IT. My mind already starts creating concepts on how we can develop the idea. So okon di omin I think ita kwa for the rest of my life. Pasta juhu nani nuliza juhu kwa pasta. Sinbaya. Pasta wama dredi. Kwanza kenya? Kwanza yun dira bamba. Kuna wama dredi. I don't know a pasta who has locks in kenya. So you start it. So you'll win the hearts of very many young people. Yuso anonuna kakawao. Ita pata madem. Kuna madem. Wachata kwa kitafta Christ drop. Ita waia sato. Let me ask you. According to you. How do you see the future of the gospel industry in kenya? It's so bright. It's freaking bright. I wish I could explain to people how big the comeback shall be. Yani mi nili amotukuji position. As you can see I'm doing my own events right now. I'm trying to create a community around myself. The gospel industry shall take off. It might not be now. It might not be next year but the gospel industry shall come back big because God is doing a new thing and if you're keen enough to check if it doesn't happen the gospel industry and ministry right now you'll see it. Guys like Karura Voices have the biggest song in the country right now. Nena. Guys like Mashmoana has the biggest cover song right now. Yani mi fanyo piyana Karura Voices. So it's something that is brewing but it's more of church music. Voices is a dunda nini. Dunda ziko zime try but as you can see it's more of this mature kind of content. Can a Kenyan gospel artist survive fully on their art? No. Badu. Badu. It depends. If you're in the top 5 I'm at top 10. Yes you can. But if not Elas Motapige grind. But I don't think even a man can survive without side hustles. I don't think so. Ebu ni ambe moja monyana side hustle. Nini indo bnawa jwa? Telegrafaz blue ink which is a studio recording label. I think nani sasa. Ngumu. Soutisolo kuna soul generation. So everyone has to find something else to supplement whatever you're doing. So it's not even about it's more of as a creative. In Kenya creatives are not paid what they deserve generally. Me always observe I'm very keen on research and all that. I always see when we guys bring an Nigerian artist. Ukiangali ya kwa YouTube za wa na kwa ga silent for like 3 months. But when they come in Kenya wa na fanya show wakiru dimaju the first thing they do they buy a range. Why is that? Kenyans pay like crazy but they don't pay their people. They will pay Nigerians. They will pay what range. They will pay hilsong. What do you think is the reason they don't pay their people? Ni hatu hawat atuji amini kimziki? Am we just? It's more of a culture and it takes the whole community to change it. Kasi I mean may change. Kuna do ya nisi jai guza in the last 4 years. You can't kani your level I can't because I have people I have to look out for. I have people around me who work full time for me. So last matu I have to pay them in some way. So I think it's a culture but it can change when we all come together. But it starts with one person so I'll be the sacrificial lamb inanoma. Tuna seti yo standard alafu kaende kaende. How have you managed to be in the game for all those years not to just care skandolia Chris? Kujuhana. It's not kujuhana. I'm an introvert. That's the funny thing. My music is loud. My music is exciting. But in person na kwa ga mtometulia and snas to remove. I don't talk unless I'm talked to na kwa ga too laid back. So ina kwa ga confusing sana kujuhana. They expect to find someone who is not interested. I'm very boring. I don't have an exciting life. Your friends are? I know your friends. But they are all exciting. All of them they are exciting. They are loud. They are party people. They are always outgoing me. I'm a very boring person. I think SPM na kwa ga mtometulia I don't need interviews but I make myself feel like My life is very mellow. For a reason by the way. We did not tell them at that time I was loud That's why I decided to tone it down I think it's a little mean We haven't interviews in the last 4 years I am not a fan of interviews I have never seen any confection rooms Your blood was hazy and really tough but I'm very lowkey person but I believe God will protect you You can just chill and sit here I believe no one is perfect I am myself included but I hope many people look up and they always try to find a fault in you I just hope that day never comes because there is someone who says Gospel artist is not biased because he is a guardian angel I hope he will try to change because we are still trying to inspire people Aboring life is a good life too How do you feel when Gospel artist We have a tall order anyway Once you choose to be a Gospel artist You just know you have put yourself under a magnifying glass People judge you more because you must stand for something But me I always tell people live your life Either way live your life You can't go party with Mabesti Like party le ya kwa See ya dunda As in party ya chill out, nini hang out Do that But at the end of it all make sure you There's a scripture in first Timothy chapter 4 verse 16 I say ma watch your life and doctrine closely For if you do you will save yourself and your hearers So watching your life As much as you look up to you Say you have a small brother You can control Because some people they are always watching out Getting inspired by what you do So that's me I believe in What do you? Moderation In everything Kamakuna avery young boy anata kukurich Umshike mkono Angu mujo ngangana Kwa nini? Especialy music If you want to collaborate bro ngangana kwaanza You are not open to collaborations I am But I came to realize lately That this industry is not for the weak In industry niawatu ameji tuma wa tu roju wa tu kifua I was doing this gig without sponsors And the gig is costing almost half a million as we are going And we don't have sponsors We don't have people who are funding us in anything So gig inata kwa Imziki inata kam tu roju Onona willi paul kanim tu evivi Onona ke argi kanim tu evivi Rington So anyone who is actually doing anything sensible Anyone who is doing Moves that are actually mentionable Nwa tu roju So that's the first thing Before I came to know that I am a gig Mkona make a effort Mkona make a effort Mkona jituma 15 years That's my record So here I am But you came to know that you are not open to collaborations Do until I am a gig Until I am a gig For example, not even mmbaba Before ebaba Because ebaba came out to 8-9 up Before Now during ebaba When I was releasing ebaba I had like 12 songs before that No one cares And those 12 songs are free We paid, we grinded Nil kwa na fanyama we do Nil kwa na dance We used to dance to na lipo To turn out kigawana We used to go to studio I used to save up and go for studio sessions So he grind It's not for the week But now I am a gig I feel good I feel good Let's talk about two events In 8-9 Event it was more to sana first of all And in 8-9 Chris live And It's such a full circle moment Because I've done gigs Everywhere in Nairobi I've never done a Chris gig in Nairobi I've done mmbasa I've done kisumu I've done eldoret I've never done a Chris gig in Nairobi And mostly because Nairobi is Pretty much expensive when you think about it Just getting a venue in Nairobi It's 50 kupanda But we thank God because this is the time Yani Vituz me fall in place Everyone came on board I have all the artists on my corner And Chris live is basically me Celebrating my journey So playlist ita kwa From mmbasa Is on miyaka wunajua up to now And God has been faithful With a catalogue that has won Over 13 hours I remember when Tulika Chinina Music directors and we were choosing The songs that we were going to perform We had a catalogue of almost 29 to 34 songs And it was like what? We dropped 29 songs How? Where? Because people out there would talk But the catalogue is so vast So this is me celebrating my journey And I'd like to welcome everyone Bring your family It's a family friendly event So bring all your kids Bring your brothers, small sister Kujeni knew what So it's going to be an amazing party My fellow gospel industry Guys, kina hope kido atakua General himself J-Farm atakua Guardian Angel is coming Birre mtua ma vocals Anyway Kwa waka perform kwa it is your day Everyone is performing But my show is The climax of it all I'm going to do a one hour 30 minutes set So it's going to be a complete showdown If you have ever seen me perform You know If you have ever seen me perform It's unmatched So it's going to be an amazing time I have a very wonderful team They've put in so much work Siupiga rehearsals up to 4am sometimes We were laughing the other day On Tuesday actually When one of us after practice Kwa nyumba keka alarm He came and said you have one hour 4 minutes So everyone has put in so much time And it's about to be one of the best events In Nairobi Tickets bai doa tuna bai Yes, yes, yes First of all 25th November We are meeting at Nairobi Cinema From 4pm to 9pm It's going to be a family event So come on, come on Tickets you can get them at Star 672 Star 66 hash Narudiatena Star 66 hash Or you can go to www.madfan.com Ticket ni tao Tao moja And I put it that price Because I started music a long time ago And I've grown with my audience Iza siku tul kwa li pisha ta so moja So taa took in the event Sa ai isi ezi li pisha so moja Umtua tashanga kwa ni ni sande school Kwa ni sande school Umtua kumboka nali po 500k We put it tao VIP ni Taombili At the gate ni 1500 So come on, come on We have a surprise for anyone who buys a ticket by the way So unless you buy the ticket Always Iza So make sure you get yourself a ticket How long have you been planning for this? Two, three months Two months Yeah, yeah Niki tutu ya ni li happen I'm telling you the truth Ile kam tu Because I've tried It's not that I've not tried to do a gig in Nairobi I've tried But this one was Godly Made Cause everything came in place Nelianda tu na bishop Aki na weleo den do Just discussions Guys saying Hey Chris, wajafanya gig Nairobi This goes like this The next thing na skianim Tua lights ameshaa Tua lights na sound na juaki It's such an amazing concept Just seeing how things are falling in place So the guys just come and see The amount of work we've put in We're going to have a wonderful time Me na wambia tu in advance Kujana hills and all that Jukuna red carpet But after that Ebu tuchanu e kwanza tu singia bote na Yeah, yeah, yeah There's a red carpet The dress code is black and yellow But after red carpet, please Kwa tuna flats Na spoilers na sneakers and all that Kwa zile dance tunenda kupiga uko Ita kwa amazing saan Alright Chris I've enjoyed having you here Thank you so much Please Wana jwa wama uko The host with the most The gracious host Hey Wana jwa Uko na community Me fika poe Chris kona community Tell you people something Kwa tu wama kwa na uko toke Till now Tuna zidi Wana ita guero nation Ero nation Ero nation bega puno self Thank you for the love Thank you for the support Yani kasi nini singia kwanza I do this music because of you I tell this story every time Because it's the one That's a game changer for me I never look at comments On YouTube Like when I drop a song I never For real I never Ni kone yo kitu tu I don't even like looking at numbers Mi spendumitwa kini I say do you video hako ikona 200k views iwa So around Some years ago I just went back to look at There's a song I love Called Bampa And I went to look at the The comments And I saw one comment That changed my life Uo jamali kwa mendika I'm struggling with cancer And songs from 3-0 from 4 years ago Are the only things that keep me going Your comments are in my pin So you can go look at it Yani that comment Made a lot of sense It gave me the reason Why it reminded me Why I do this music I wish I was doing it for the money I mean you'll pay me If you call me for an event But I don't do it for the money I do it for the people Who need hope People who need life Kuna wa sayani Life imo anyo Roshia ani wana ni through A different sound And I hope that All my music Always uplift you guys Thank you Ero Nation For the support Natuna Zidi Natuna Zidi Now it's Africa now Kenya tumemali zana Sasa 20 Africa Next time Kiku je interviu na baby A guest ni ni Nada imo ebe Minataka Nani meku in barangapi Kris na kumbe Kumbali satondakupati Nojutu kuna evidence Kuna evidence This is kupati Because this was a gift from Masai Elda In Nairo And he actually took it From his own hand Kumpati So now na feelingi guilt I've had this since 2013 Yeah So I'll make sure I get you one Ni kishindo kuipata Because I'm pretty busy right now If I don't get you by Saturday I'll make sure someone gives you one Piyambaz manze bigopunoself Na dujopuasa na God our bless Fata ni sato ground ya Kwa ground manze Ita weza ita weza Ita kwa saja kuweza Ni wotem kami Ato kishindo ku getitiko Yani hola you never know Minani dwatu tuaku je It's not even about the money If you know me you know It's not about the money I always do the music for the music So kama genuinely How easily pa sao hola To touch other We hear you Thank you so much My name is Ndanya Thank you so much for watching Until next time Bye