 Keep it, keep it, keep it, keep it, keep it in, keep it in, keep it in, keep it in. Fine. Hi everyone. Welcome to the episode about what is the limit of three-speak. What is the show that we're on? Win? Well, no he doesn't, they, they, uh, yeah, everyone knows. Freedom of speech. He doesn't have to say anything, motherfucker. Yeah. He doesn't have to censor him that way. For example, should it be illegal to chew Tums whilst doing a podcast? No, you should be eating Tums at all times. No, this is a terrible idea, I disagree with you. Tums taste disgusting. What about chewing on Alka-Saltzer? I hate Tums, they, they, they, they taste like vitamins, which they are. Tums are alright. Yeah. What about chewing on Mentos while you drink Diet Coke? I have watched Endless Jess eat through an entire thing of Tums just because he likes them. For fucking leisure? For fucking pleasure. God. Fuck. I have, I have just snacked on some Tums when there's Tums around, I've eaten like two or three. I've never, I don't think I've ever even had a Tums. It's like the same with those like gummy vitamins, they're delicious. They're just giant sweet tarts that are fucking great and they make your stomach not hurt anymore and you can eat like ten of them a day, so. Tums taste good? Tums are like some bizarre and disgusting like twisted interpretation of a, of like a butter mint. They're like butter mints, but they, but they taste like cough metacism. Do you guys remember when I found that jar of gummy vitamins that had melted in the sun and fused into a puck and I, and I, and I carefully extracted the puck from the bottom of the bottle and then took a big bite out of it and briefly became the healthiest creature in the universe and leveled the entire city block that I was living in? Good times. Good times. Hey, so who's here? Let's, yeah. Well, over to the left over here, we have a man who crosses professional boundaries to criticize individuals in his own medium, Digibro. I am a monster of a man. We have the, we have the sometimes frustratingly silent hypocrite. Nigger. It wasn't the silence, it was just him. We have the man who deigns to criticize an entire half of Homestuck, Munch. Uh, it's me, welcome to Manga Mondays, today we're going to be talking about sex. Ha ha, trick you. We have the resident nigger guy, Nate Besteman. That's not accurate. Uh, also I would say that, uh, I would say that lesbians are physically incapable of having sex with each other. That's my free speech. That's true. Oh guys, did you, guys. I didn't even know this until like, I thought about it for a second, like three years ago. Like, scissoring like isn't possible, basically. That's, well, I mean, you can get close. You can get pretty close. What do you mean it's not possible? Like, the math doesn't check out, man. Audience weigh in. It just doesn't check out. Audience weigh in. Tell us when the last time you scissored was. Like, think about it. Think about like the actual act of scissoring. Like that wouldn't, like. What do you mean? There wouldn't be enough pressure, man. Wait, you make the pressure. What are you against? Are you trying to say that two vaginas being pressed together can't cut through paper? Like, is that what you mean by like, they are not capable of being scissors? They'll moisten and tear the paper. It won't be a clean cut. Anyway. That's why lesbians should be banned from construction work. We have been female blackface same. Wow. Female blackface is just offensive. Regular blackface is back and it's cool again, but female blackface is not. It's still not okay. You know, we're not there yet. Give it time. Give it time. That reminds me of my old catchphrase nigger bitch funeral that I kept saying all the time and people would give me weird looks and I was like, I don't know why I keep saying it. And we have Tom, who I don't, I can't really think of anything you've said that's ever been offensive. So, introduce yourself. I'm scared of this episode already. This is going to be good. All right, so. We've got two like loaded episodes back to back. Tom, according to, Tom, communism is the only moral economic system, you know. It was personally Karl Marx's birthday. My lord and savior, apparently. Oh, was it? Oh, that's right. Happy birthday, Carl. You did it, buddy. You did it. You did it. You did it. You made it to the three books. To begin the episode, to begin the actual topic, has this ever happened to you? Complain about something that people are doing to which someone else goes, well, it's my free speech to which someone else goes, well, it's my free speech to criticize your free speech, where someone else goes to my free speech to criticize your free speech to criticize my free speech, to which someone else should go. Why do you even following this line of argument? But no one ever does. That's what we call a free speech cascade. That was a words cascade that just washed over me, like I was drowning in the ocean. Well, it's been every day of my life, the last 15 years I've been on the fucking internet, man. Yeah. I mean, it's been forever. You'll see a lot of the time these days, people want to get like technical victories over each other. So someone will say something, and maybe it's slightly overly general, and the other person will say, well, that doesn't apply to everyone. All right. You know what it is? It's the modern gun. Because guns were invented so retards don't get killed. Like, you're like, oh, I'm physically deficient and weak, and big people can beat me up and take everything I have. So I'm going to invent a device. Is that what we call a retard? A physical retard. Yeah. Well, you know, if you are in any way. Retarded as in like the, you know, like to be lessened in some way, you know, like you are lessened than the regular human. Do you mean like disabled, or you just mean like people who are not able to punch someone? Like when you say like something's flame retardant, you mean to say that it's not capable of flame? I don't think it's a common term. Well, this is it. Retarded just means slow. Yeah. Exactly. If you're too slow, like you're not fat, you can't run away from the big guys who are going to catch you and beat you up. So he's always fucking mansplaining. You need a gun. So what you're saying is that nowadays you use technical fallacies to get out of this. Because on the internet, what is strength, what is physical strength is intelligence, because all anyone has is their words and their argument. So if you're intelligent, that means that theoretically you should destroy everybody on the internet. However, they invented guns, and the guns are called rhetorical argument, where Yeah. They can fuck you on the technical aspects of your argument, and they don't have to be intelligent. They just have to know these so-called rules. But like, because of the fact that if you're too intelligent, and you're actually following the rules but doing it in a way that like goes above people's heads, then it doesn't matter, because they have the gun. You know? And if you're too intelligent, you could theoretically say everything exactly right, but people will just latch in on one of the, you know, areas that touches something that's simply politically incorrect or incorrect, and then they can just make a whole case about how like, it's not that your argument is wrong, it's that you shouldn't be listened to because you've said, you know, just some example of something that's hard as an insult. When can I cash in my IQ points for various prizes at the store? I want to cash in it for tickets or coins. You do that at Chuck E. Cheese, dude. You just got to go there. Exactly. You go up to the counter. Yeah. Yeah. So, hey, everybody. That's why you go to school. You go to school to build up your IQ points, to go to Chuck E. Cheese, to cash him in for a plastic ring shaped like a spider, and then you do a whole thing. It's like when I play Ganguro Girl, or many of the clones of Ganguro Girl, where you got to go to the library and read to buff your intelligence points so that you can woo the slutty girls who like smart guys. That's- The titular Ganguro. Yeah. I was at David Buster's, and I was getting mad IQ points while studying the art of monkey ball. And I got so smart that I was able to purchase with my raw brain power a Pinkie Pie plush. This is a true story. Whoa. Holy shit. The great. Pinkie Pie would be pleased by this story. Guys, I think no one should be able to say anything at any time, regardless of circumstance or law or whatever it may be. It's your freedom of speech to think that, so, you know. We did cover how language is a problem, but we got to just ban it. So I've been asleep since the last PCP, and my memory is a little hazy. I just woke up from a stupor. The last one we did was on language, right? Yeah. That's like the same thing. It's like a sequel. Yeah. It's also good. We got to build upon the fatigue department as well. The groundwork. We got to build upon the groundwork that we laid. Specifically what the prompt of this episode is, because we're trying to sometimes have prompts that are like full sentences rather than just single words, so that the conversation isn't so amorphous and vague and weirdly utilitarian. The specific title, for us at least, is what is the limit of free speech, because that's where really interesting and also very frustrating debates take root, which is like when there's things right on the line between like someone expressing themselves and someone like pulling off an extortion. Hey, can I? Can I? Hey. Wait. I got something. I got something. I just looked up. Yeah. I got to say it's extremely enlightening. Here we go. People use some of the arguments. Get ready for this truth bomb, everyone. Free speech, dictionary definition, the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint, college definition, the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint, unless you're a conservative. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Smash. Smash the glass ceiling. Smash the conservatory. So that that is that writing prompt or that that question prompt of what are the limits? Oh wait definition to definition to yeah nothing more than an illusion This guy's Moose this this guy moose who wrote that he's a he's a well done champ Let me throw out my position and then I'd be interested to hear rebuttals because my I think mine is one of the extremes So I think Like so free speech is a legal issue. It's like should you be put in jail for saying things that are wrong? I think that you should literally not be criminally penalized for saying literally anything Except oh, but okay, that's not true because that's the shitting fire and a crowd at theater could actually kill yeah As long as your words, okay, and like okay by extension Let's say for example that like there's a Jewish kid and then everyone starts calling him a kike And then he kills himself like if that happens, what's the connection here? Is that free speech like should that be criminalized? I yeah, the thing about it is that that's the speech is like not Entirely the point. It's like they could have just easily said we don't like you you're different and that's none of those words I like technically wrong, but that is what killed the words the words themselves don't matter I don't think those people are responsible for his death. They're not murderers But like they were deliberately abusive, which I mean I would say that they They shouldn't they are on give people free reign to do that like I would say that his Death is partly they are partly to blame, but it had nothing to do with yeah the word choice Okay, can we at least agree on this to begin with like no individual word itself should ever be forbidden from being spoken like I wanted to bring in and say I wanted to say that like outside of context No individual word can possibly be seen as harmful unless there's certain frequencies in our fucking Neurosystem that could be irritated by certain syllables. There is no way that Individual words outside of context should be put into the realm for niggers I think I think the fact that like even in like academic or like Journalistic writing you can't say like you have to say the n-word like that is yeah So immature and ridiculous me because you're yeah, we know what the fucking word is I know what it is. Just say the word. I'm not a child like Yeah, you bitches think inwardly is this really helpful. I don't wait. Did you say think n-word? This episode with the word n-word and I kept thinking it was inward and if you listen back to that You'll hear me saying inward. Oh, how how interesting we wouldn't be showing that. No, but there you go But anyway, I was gonna say that like the What is there a reason I think people say n-word is specifically for kids, right? Like that's the big thing that everybody comes back to but here's my position. Well, okay Okay, maybe not maybe maybe with a word, you know like niggers Your kid listen to a single rap song ever if you don't see that's my point I'm listening to like we got a band hip-hop because we love well black But okay, here's my position that was that racist was that racist of me to imply that black people make rap music That's about as racist as saying that black people like play more basketball, which I think is just true, right? Maybe I was raised Look at the Urban Dictionary of basketball Okay, here's the important thing about this first I was gonna say that literally like kids should just hear any word. I don't care. It's fine But but about this other topic about like Being racist or whatever. I think that there's there's two important things to do at the same time We're making any of these kind of statements and it sort of relates to free speech It's that like you can make statements about groups that just are Demonstrably true like for example like black people are more propensity to get sickle-cell anemia or whatever so that's simply a fact But then if you look at an individual black person and you say hey, buddy You're getting sickle-cell anemia that is in fact racist because you're you're discriminating based on race I mean every individual just my mind is I prefer Cooley's anemia I have to go back My mind is being torn in twain thinking about this This is gonna this is I need all of you to participate in this with me and I was asking this question You wrote literature with that use the word literally What is the worst that can happen from your kids learning swear words? They will they'll say them. They'll if they'll they'll make you uncomfortable by saying them Yeah, literally the only reason you even hear literally it you even hear people who are pretty open about free speech Talking about how it's they still don't want kids saying bad words, but yeah, no, I All right, let me let me fucking go through this yeah, and I think DeVoo I think you might be in a similar boat to me on this because we both grew up like very like Proud to follow the rules like proud to do what our parents said on Yeah, and yeah with my family my brother's and I had a sort of pact that we were like We're not gonna swear till we're 18 I Started breaking that in the eighth grade because I would swear at school in front of the school kids But I never swore at home in front of Victor and shakes I didn't want to like let them down and neither of them started swearing till they were 18 They just kept to it the whole way whereas I was a piece of shit and broke it like early, but like The thing is we knew the swear words from childhood because my parents had showed us Beavis and Butthead and South Park like when we were little so I knew all the swears and I used to swear when I was a kid But when I was going into elementary school my parents were just like yeah this word this word this word Don't say those at school and I was like okay because I was a well-mannered kid So I just didn't say those words except for it like you know I wouldn't even say I'm at home eventually because we kind of you know decided we weren't gonna swear because we wanted To be good kids, but then once we were all 18 We just started swearing constantly Because we all know the words my parents swear constantly as it is like so they weren't protecting us from it Like that's how we think and the consequences of this have been no literally nothing because everyone swears all the time I was just like thinking about like that like I'm curious about like the the the whole like like black market of swears in like school school meta is like You're not allowed to say this and then people you know kids would be like Fuck and then everyone And I'm like Yeah, you know would would Would kids come up with words that are like banned or like would they just secretly like there's always things that you're not allowed to say Yeah, if it's not like swear words, would it be something else that they would be like The answer is yes because me and my brothers in replacement of all the swear words We just said yeah that were similar which the funny thing is that the things that we said in place of them Could get us in trouble in like some of our friends houses or at school Like we would say heck or Frick or like Or just like dude with a freak In my old well because we didn't you know, we were under 18 when we made those videos So we didn't swear in any of them because we were gonna show them to our parents We didn't want them to see us swearing or anything So, you know, we would we just wouldn't swear even in the in the content But like the words we were using like I would go to friends houses and they'd be like you can't say that word You know like function like saying the n-word they work in the exact same way Exactly, but it's like you you you can't avoid having a word for those situations because that's how You learn to talk You're absolutely right but let me ask you a question real quick everybody if I go up to a black person and I say you fucking n-word how Like what do I win? Do I get off scot-free? Is this is this just the is this just the racial slur pod Literally everything literally everything did you talked about I want to say a thing about so like Yeah, other families other things you can't say for example white trash So I am doing a fucking favor for a fan a family of a friend of mine, right? I'm driving them to a place for like a really important thing and no one else is willing to help them I'm taking time out of my day to fucking do this shit, and I tell a white trash joke, right? And I guess it's more or less at the expense of their family, but like my family and me We're all equal levels of white trash. We're all like pseudo rural Missourians over here So I didn't think of it as like a thing But like I guess they were a little bit quiet and then my friend was like that wasn't appropriate when we were alone And I'm like sure you fucking nigger I'm helping you people fucking out on the one fucking driving and according to other people who I've spoken to in my life If you're driving you set the fucking rules for all fucking speech. That's the first one You know that's a perfectly certain point I want to respond to Ben though Ben the reason I think that are kind of first To just to piggyback on what he said just a little bit I absolutely agree anybody who talks shit about you when you're doing them a favor can get fucked Well, of course, absolutely, especially if you're like shitting on my music when I'm driving you around But see that's the problem I then confronted my friend on that about calling that inappropriate. She was just like well I was just saying it was like offensive to them. I'm like look I'm fucking triggered by the word inappropriate That's my fucking fucking trigger cuz like my you know being a well-mannered child generally The only thing my dad would ever like get me on would be like overreacting to something or inappropriate something So anytime anyone uses those words you have a times 20 chance of pissing me off Just a fucking wreck just a fucking, you know now now everyone on the internet to be like hey Davoo He's feeling inappropriate today Hey, but what Ben was saying about race, I think this ties into yeah bent has a lot to say about race. Let me tell you But but this is what I was gonna say I I've been misconstrued the reason that I think that's our place to start with This is because like what exactly is like a swear or like something that you can't say It's like they're like a basically a crass way of referring to like a forbidden topic So like for example, like, you know, like like nigger, you know, racials kike, whatever like WAP grease ball, etc All these like they they imply racism and really that's what's like not acceptable and that's perfectly reasonable I want to let everyone know this is literally the most alt-right podcast. We've ever made I have an answer in an academic way David Crow postulates that swears have a lot to do with their phonetics more than just their semantics. Sure. So for example, like Can it feels like you're getting whipped by someone else's mouth? Whereas if you just say sex, it's just a little bit more, you know, harm. Well, okay But you know what Ben's right that we don't need to focus specifically on swear I need to jump back to that alt-right comment that much he made because I seem to remember where like 10 years ago This was literally the entire Louis CK stand-up routine and every liberal was behind him. Well, we know what that boy was up to in those He went back on a lot of it He became a fucking Libcuck because that's where culture went But like that like literally the stuff I was saying earlier about the n-word thing was literally a bit He did I mean we stayed the same and the Overton window has shifted around How the internet like used to be pretty liberal in a lot of ways like you think like French was always like no like portrayed as conservative But they did they had a lot of like live Conservative until recently the I haven't been on the internet for the longest around here, but I've been I think I've probably frequented Politics boards for like longer than most people Like so starting in like, you know 2007 ish I would go to the politics boards and I'd be the only non-liberal there every time sure what changed was The social justice war that is as far as I can tell from my own my own anecdotal perspective single-handedly Shifted everything. It's because there were no millennial conservatives until we had it until they had an enemy I just said we but I'm not one of them So what it was was originally the demographics on politics at least on you know pop media boards where I would go I'm sure there was plenty of conservative dedicated websites But like you know like the Tigwitig forums or like the escapist forums the screw attack forums It was always like it was always the only demographic politically was just Democrat voting liberals like generally people who you would describe as pretty blue-pilled, right? I guess particularly because I was in gaming communities and at that time it was all about Jack Thompson and Fox News Those were the enemies both conservative both Republic. I mean, yeah But then gaming started attacking itself with from within Sarkeesian style and all of a sudden the demographics split wide open now We have far more hardcore liberals and then we then we have the alt-right people who are still Who are still sort of like center right because they're not like Christian They're not like fucking they're not like Ted Cruz conservative But they're more like Trump conservative and then it just seems like the whole like blue-pilled mild-mannered Democratic liberals just don't even exist among my generation anymore. It just sort of split. Yeah two ways Well, what I think happened because like I grew up super liberal and you know My mom listened like raised me on like political music and stuff and Back in the 2000s The reason that everyone online was liberal was that being conservative meant being pro-war like Bush had Taken us to war and like the the platform of liberals was anti-war. We wanted peace We want and and like pro-abortion pro like stuff like that But once once the war was no longer the big concern because like whether well both sides are equally likely to go to war So like yeah, we don't like now that it's like an identitarian conflict and like there's a there's a whole young generation Who's like well, you know, yeah, we will back the Republicans because they're not arguing for war They're just arguing for not this stuff that we don't like it right no fun fact I learned from free-domain radio Barack Obama was the only president in US history I believe unless I misheard this fact only president in US history to have war going on when he took office And war still continuing when he left off you could argue though that that's just because again He is like an replaceable tool who was just put in place and like the machinery around him just continued to operate That's why nobody cares like yeah, nobody cares about liberal anymore because it doesn't seem like it It doesn't say it doesn't stop anything like when Yeah, like people were so angry when he like won both elections like you know You had Eminem making songs about it and all this shit and all these people and then like we finally got a Democratic president and it didn't end the war. So it's like why be Democrat and everyone the fucking Nobel Peace Prize Like the reminder correctly Remember correctly one of the things people wanted was to stop the drug war and all Obama did was minimize mandatory minimum sentences But nothing else the war on drugs continued completely utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world Yeah, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but listen guys, but let's actually we've been danced around Let's get to the real topic the limits of free space right where you want to come I just want to say on the subject of the internet being more liberal. Yeah Just something really alluminative was in the parkour dude 91 saga One one of the main like enemies of parkour do 91 was this guy fly away now and fly away is now They get in stock in family trial of parkour do 91 one of his main problems was Jace You are racist and that's not good. And so it went in hard on you know critiquing Jace's like like like racism, which is like a thing that I don't think like could happen nowadays I don't think anyone like would like would portray a race is mine for no for context flying now Is a member of like a trolling cult? It's like a 4-chan Well, so what was the sincere criticism or was it a joke he's saying that like a troll would never use that as a Weapon against somebody now. Yeah, because like being seen as racist would be seen as like That's what the trolls are now is that they like they I mean that that's sort of like that gorilla mindset guy will call people pedophiles Like been racist or edgy or anything I think there's been undertones of you know The Scientology activism and stuff like that and there's always been you know jokes about Fox News or the hell So, I don't know. I just think it's an interesting change in the world. Yeah, thanks So, yeah limits on free speech I I was talking with that was with the wife and being all like oh, yeah Because then you know, there's the obvious yelling fire in a crowded theater argument and she told me I didn't research this I never researched anything because research is bullshit because everyone says different things She said that she's heard that that argument was concocted during the First World War to Minimize and delegitimize anyone who protested the sorry, which argument is this that was diminished the yelling fire in a Okay, okay, that's that they're saying we need to stop the war and then other people like you need to be silent to which They'd be like a free speech bitch This is the America to which other people said no what you're doing isn't free speech It's like yelling fire in a crowded theater And it's well, I mean, okay Let's so that's an example the yelling fire in a crowded theater We're like there's some like action that's happening and you're like compelling people to take an action based on false information You know so if there actually was a fire and you yell fire in a crowded theater that is a reasonable thing to do Is that it's less about that you can't speak but it's more about that you take responsibility for what happens as a result of this Right, right for example if you tell someone come here for free cupcakes And then you don't give anyone free cupcake or like, you know buy a buy a cake and get a free cupcake and then you Don't give it that's false advertising. Sure. That's yeah, that's false The difference is is that it's not the fact you've said the word fires that your intention is to so That's true. Your intention is to make people like do bad Unfortunately when it comes to this like we have like if someone is just talking to their friend and they say yeah So, you know me and my friends are gonna have a bonfire tomorrow If you say that in a movie theater, obviously, you're fine If someone says about just yells the word fire and starts running around screaming different intentions, obviously And so like all we can do is like we need like a court system to just figure out which what? What if the guy was like mentally Unsound and just yelled fire because that's what he does Well, then we just take it case by case like if he couldn't help it then like we probably shouldn't let this Speech is that if we could take it case by case, I think people would would prefer that because it is Like a lot of these things you can't just ban a word and have it fix all the problems Well, I mean find ways to get around it. There's always gonna be like like People skirting the system and like stuff. I mean, we do do it case by case. That's what the court system is for Yeah, that's what you fry fire in a theater. Yeah would go to trial. Mm-hmm people. I guess Okay, they I don't know anything about anything actually I don't know anything about justice Well, I just know that I I think I used to think free speech was like You can say anything you want and if you if people try to silence you that means they're wrong You don't have that in Britain, but that's anything there anymore. I mean never once I don't think They do have nowhere near the kind of freedoms we have in America in Britain, okay? For what it's worth the reason that wait, I'm sorry. We cut off give I think it was finishing this point. I'm sorry I don't know I didn't think you had any more point. That's why I had a bit of a point I was trying to rescue him. I think in USA USA has its first amendment was because like we wanted to protect your ability to talk shit about the government because right That was the whole they didn't like we did that. That's what we found. Oh, yeah Shit about the government is how we started the revolution like that was the whole point was that we shit Everybody got pissed off and then we fought them and I can do that People do that constantly but like for they changed the rules over time like you can they do have freedom of speech in in Europe now But like not necessarily to the same With when YouTube rolled out its whole like we're gonna just like bury videos that are like hateful and racist and Misleading and shit. I remember thinking, you know that they're saying well, it's free speech You just can't have speech as hateful and racist and I'm like, you know I think that the whole idea of the Enlightenment era free speech Revolution is that you can say anything even things that are hateful harmful I mean, you know what the purpose of things as long as they're nice probably dates back to thousands of the purpose of 10 years in Universities is so that you like professors have the freedom to pursue academic pursuits that challenge Extreme ideas exactly for these kinds of reasons. Yeah, exactly I don't get why people are you typically like offended when they see something that like Contradicts them for me the moment I mean something that goes against my perception. I'm fucking excited It's like my favorite time of the day. It makes my fucking month I don't I personally don't feel like I Have enough ego to say that I just love to hear things that fundamentally challenge my worldview Like I am a weak human being who's entrenched in his own biases like everybody else and Except for doing the one exception here I do want to say to do is legitimately an exception to do legitimately I mean, I have watched this man change his entire mind at the drop of a fucking pin Well, I'm not saying that's necessarily a great thing to do. We were to accept your fucking incorrect fucking metaphor Idiom You're able to fix yourself of that Yes, well, okay, so so okay to put a point on it. This is the question. Okay is free speech or is hate speech free speech? That's like the biggest question right now. Of course. I think I Because I think definitely yes because hate speech is determined by the people who are getting offended and Let's say for example, if in a liberal government or you know, you know, like liberals they they they would take You know change the law some in some way and it will be like, okay if you cause offense you're going to jail and then it's somewhere down the line the people who put that law in place are now Technically offensive to a majority that spring up and then they would go to jail And it just feels like a stupid thing to put into place I mean idea that the some sort of like vague like because it's always is an ever-shifting like What is offensive to who depends on who's around and how many of them there are? That's true. I mean should the government be in the business of determining what's hate speech and what's not? I mean, Ben if you want to comment. Yeah, feel free. You can't base law on Opinions, but we I mean, I guess you kind of can. Yes. I guess that's all that I think the problem is that people are so worried about People are too worried about the type of speech instead of like where it's being used like what like if I Let's say I have like a private blog where I am like constantly saying racist shit And I just share it with my friends like if if the let's say like it's on Facebook if Facebook finds this thing They're gonna delete it because it's against their policy even though it's private and it's just among me and friends It's not aggressing against anyone. It's just me expressing my my beliefs that are extremely unpopular and like even if I Personally think that like people shouldn't have the beliefs that this this person has like why am I the moral authority? You know like that's against the policy on what we built this country on that No one has moral authority. I mean you know about fucking Hulk Hogan who just was filmed You know against will at least looking tape, you know like sure He said the word nigger in private does that make him racist? You know like like they watched Jesse's video for the I'm I've been curious about this But I couldn't really find like a death definitive answer and I was also scared of googling it in case the Google comes to get me Yeah, but is it okay, so literally is it yeah, is it illegal to be racist? No, it is not not in America. Absolutely not but a lot of the things Racist as you like, but if you say anything then that's right. I mean we can't buy police obviously I want to I want to as an example lay a ground rule of something I think should be enforced and I want to hear you guys opinion on this because to me I've always taken free speech and everything really in life as like the rule of I can swing my fist as well as much as I want but if I hit your face then it's a problem basically like that was One of the founding fathers said that I don't remember who but like maybe I don't that was the idea of like What the law was based on in this country was that like you can do literally whatever you want But the second that it hurts somebody else that's when you're in trouble The problem is what constitutes violence does right well the problem also is that like where is the line on personal? Responsibility if I am writing a blog. That's like I hate black people the blog at what point is it is it that? I am aggressing you by writing things that offend black people at what point it is Yeah, but you had you chose to read it now if I was go let's say that I go on someone's blog And this is a personal blog and I think that I think that Internet websites that you own should be respected as private property like of course private that you invite people on to Essentially because you I mean you pay for it. You literally buy hosting you buy a domain It's your intellectual property. You have control over what gets posted there Let's say that you get someone who's like let's say I'm I'm a black writer And this guy is calling me a nigger every day in my comments So I pee ban him this guy creates a new account on a new computer shows up again and continues doing it At that point I would consider this an act of aggression Like this person has been not only are they doing something that they know is offensive They've been told that it's offensive They've been kicked off the platform and they've can they've circumvented the system in order to find a way to continue fucking with me At this point there's nothing I can do because this person's gotten around the tools that I have at my disposal to defend myself So this is where I should be able to say to like the police Hey, this guy is like, you know creating like multiple accounts to continue a harassment campaign against me Like this is clearly harassing sure Yeah, but harassment in general is something that like, you know where harassment becomes not free speech That is sort of a line unto itself Which is part of the reason I wanted to start this podcast for but like also in general people do need to understand That internet harassment is real harassment for the simple fact that when you get a message from someone that's directed at you Do you think? Hmm those are some slightly less colored pixels on this screen for me words that mean nothing or Do you think hmm a person has said a thing to me? Well, yeah, that was what I was trying to say earlier like I used to like when I was a young boy I was all for like free speech means you can say whatever you want in like as No, nothing should be banned and you should be able to say whatever you like but like as the years go on I do recognize that there's this there's nuance to all things and especially this The context and the intent is very important to understand in any situation. Yep Yeah, let's say you have like almost all of your friends however many you have if you have none I imagine you have 12 friends imagine if 10 of your friends Since you a letter all saying that they don't want to be your friend anymore And they hate you and they list very specific things that you actually do do as to why they hate you now Will you think hmm? This is some ink arranged in shapes that I can identify as words or are you gonna be stressed out and upset? So there you go Right can be like like people saying things and it's not as you know meaning things and having a harmful intense can Constitute the building blocks that can create the bridge of harassment and it can be done Yeah, even without words or physical activity just with digital information being transferred to your computer It still counts as real communication That's why people go on social media all the time that the I feel like I like I understand why a lot of young people Like on the internet they get up in arms about like their ability to say whatever they want Regardless of how it may affect others Because of the fact that they're young and they all they know about like incorrect language is swear words and the fact that in school It is cool among friends to say swear words because the teachers don't let you and I feel like that right they take that idea of like Not allowed to say and then they just extend it into like Internet interactions without knowing that it actually hurts people That's a very good. So I mean I think that we could go back and forth on these details all day But I think the reason why there's no like hard agreement why there hasn't been an answer this question is because the reality is like The the the vagueness of this topic makes it basically unsolvable except with some vast network of specific investigation into each you know individual Which there should be what they should be. Yeah, that's what the government should be It's like a body that exists to solve Individual problems that we have but because of the fact that this first of all countries way too fucking big second of all Everything's industrialized. That's the entire way. We think in the country is mass production And like we just try to have everybody follow the same broad set of rules that just doesn't work for 300 million people living across 3,000 miles of fucking land like it doesn't make sense to hold everybody to the same exact Standards and circumstances all the time. You guys already don't Yeah, yeah, you guys okay There's this one example of one website that does internet interaction very interestingly Newgrounds so on new grounds The you know the interaction is pretty limited. You have forums you have direct messages and you have You have reviews right? It's for the pretty standard, you know early internet package But on reviews you can review a movie you can review a game and once you've done the review the review is done I don't think you can edit reviews. I don't think they've ever added in the edit feature and a The artist who uploaded the thing that you are reviewing can respond to you by making a creator's response a single creator's response that they themselves cannot edit and Once they have written their response It's done and new grounds has responded to the tons of requests They've gotten to be able to respond to their responses to which new grounds has said our Philosophy is to give the creator the last word and I think you know if that were a thing that were practiced Voluntarily I think that that would solve a lot of harassment issues sort of like Someone you want to criticize some person on the internet, you know Like where does it cross the line from criticism to harassment, you know, maybe you just come in you make your point You don't be a huge dick about it You've gotten your fucking point out and then they've made their response Maybe you give it a little bit of follow-up in there and then you move the fuck on All right, that's sort of what I under that's what I see as the pattern with these people who like get so harassed They have to like go fucking the therapy and shit start taking pills It's that they might very legitimately fuck up on something right as a content creator They might actually hurt people and they get called out on it and now they have to deal with it But then they never stop getting called out on it They have been forever banished damned to the land of weeping and gnashing of tweets I've been planning to launch a series for a long time And I think I might finally do it sometime soon because I'm ready And we've got the mental wherewithal to do this But I want to do a streaming series called digi bro takes on takes all comers And I'm just gonna make a discord server that has an open season like like you know call line Like anybody can join the server anybody can jump in the call But I will only activate one person at a time and the idea is if you have any problem with me Come into this call and let's argue about it until you sound either you we've resolved your issue or You are repeating yourself and sound like an idiot and need to be kicked out because the audience has decided that they don't want to Hear you anymore You say that you can identify a terrible or good anime in just one episode But you also say there's no such thing as an objective opinion. This is a contradiction because reasons what about What about um, what about food reviews, I think those should be Well, I think that it's discrimination against Because it's because it's wasting food and we all know Like like dissenting opinion because I'm pretty sure all of us feel the exact same way. Well, I think food reviews are fine I think food video all food I'm about to qualify it It's just it's just people shouldn't be allowed to find a recipe and then do it wrong and then give the recipe a bad review on The internet because they decided to put fucking Olive oil in their French onion soup and it's not my fault. It's greasy. You fuck That's a reason like it's not my it's not my fault fucking soup lover 28 get the fuck out of a reasonable point about how like everyone's voice seems equally valid Unfortunately online and that's what she doesn't at some point at some point. I realize I think was probably in the t-bap days At some point I realized that a huge percentage of the people commenting especially on YouTube are kids And I was like wait a minute wait a minute. These aren't full people Yeah, I don't need to real. I don't need to think of I don't necessarily need to give these these opinions being expressed in the Comments the weight that I would to an actual interesting you just caught on to that because that's like I caught on This realization at some point my like in my YouTube my default kind of thing to do when I read a comment It's always to project my situation onto them. So like they are the same age as me They're the same intellectual level and that's that's always we got to avoid that though. Yeah, I do the yeah Yeah, I imagine that like every commenter I respond to I just think well This is a dumb 12 year old like even if it's a good commenter who I love like I just think we're an amazing nine year old I'm like nobody could be this big of a fan of me if you're above the age of 12 like They're like someone who bashes on me I'm like no one could care this much about shitting on an internet creator unless they're 12, you know Endless just said in fact, it is true that most of these people are kids. The problem is that some of these kids are 35 years Damn now, I will say I found one of them in person recently what I mean? I assume I'm being pretty discriminatory here, but someone who I'm pretty sure is an internet commenter, right? Passed them. I passed them on the side that look about You know he was gonna go well He was all geared up to go back to the house the tips of his finger back a beer and get ready We're wearing actually guys he was wearing a cod shirt. So that's a pretty good sign, right? So he's like probably five foot six or so, you know stout portly like a really squished-looking face, right? He's got that sort of like shaved head thing, but like he doesn't shave it on consistently You're just yeah, you're describing like every 35 year old YouTube commenter that I've like yeah Exactly exactly and he has like, you know dinky little glasses and stuff and he just sort of walks with like a little bit of like a You know just kind of like walks a little bit goofily and Most importantly of all he's wearing a call of duty ghost shirt, which is like the least popular call of duty So I'm just like yeah, this is a guy who like has some specific opinions Davoo cradles his chin and his fingers. This is a guy Individual thoughts about individual ideas the man If it was a modern 3 shirt, I'd be like, okay, he could just be a normie gamer But a ghost right, that's too specific, right? So he something's up What if he's just a normal guy doing his normal programming job and he would just really liked modern warfare? And he pre-ordered ghosts because he was super hype and didn't know he thought the dog He's wearing it, but he's wearing it right now because because he spent a lot of money on that Special edition that came with the shirt and he just I gotta get my money's worth This is just how I'm wired dad taught me to to use everything I mean, I feel that way about certain shirts, but I wear them indoors Okay, I gotta tell you about my guy who's similar at the airport This was legendary so so so me and May were at the airport going going back to Rochester from my hometown Virginia Beach and like just some random college dude had sat across from us and Like was asking about my shirt because I was wearing a Gintama shirt and he thought it was a bleach shirt And he was just like he just kind of like oh you guys into anime and she was like yeah, we're anime youtubers We're like it's our job. We always do is watch So we're talking to this guy for a while we're making him a fan basically he's like way excited to hear about anime You know probably like he's like a 20 year old like college dude But there's another guy who's like sitting across the way Who's like a big fat guy in a Ninja Turtles t-shirt who when we had first Got into the airport terminal. I saw this guy and I thought if anyone here would recognize me It would be that guy is like what I'm thinking when I look at this guy, but like So we're saying that we're just talking about anime for like probably 15 minutes And then everybody gets up to go in the line and the fat guy comes over and he's like hey I heard you guys talking about anime I you know wasn't sure if I should jump into the conversation And he's like he's like yeah, I'm like okay So the other dude like clearly had been watching like everything on crunchy roll Just like whatever showed up or crunchy roll. He was giving it a shot this fat guy has just Hate people that watch Just exclusively seen attack on sight and in death note and that is it nice, but he comes up And he's like yeah, you know, I really like I was really into death note You know, I because I think it's like a perfect mirror reflection of like the lion king because you know What the fuck and then he's like well cuz you know first like he's like each character's like parallel So first you've got like light who wants to be God just like Simba And after he said that my brain went like Like all the juice and I was just like dumbfounded like I was trying not to look at him as hard as I could He's like like I think Ryuk was Rafiki and like, you know Basically, he just compared the main characters of one to the main characters I was like oh like light is or L is just like scar because he wants to stop Simba like I Mark of a great story is that it's exactly like Simba is like L because he's trying to stop scar who's the bad evil man who took over and seized power through illegitimate evil means like I'm sorry, this just reminds me of a time I was an anime convention where I went up to a guy wearing a samurai outfit and I was like hey, dude You're Jean. I love samurai shampoo. He's like actually I'm going on from you know fucking loop in the third and I Pretended I knew who that was at the time I didn't know who the fuck that was this was this was long ago, but it's I've never forgotten it I've always been nothing worse that to your credit and getting a thing wrong Especially getting like a classic For like a modern show like he looks disgusted when I said I love Jean Okay, what at that one party that I went to when I was at your house. We met that one guy who went to Some like anime cons, right? Embarrassing. Oh, I don't what do you what do you look like I don't remember he was a bizarre He was a bizarre like Looking motherfucker he looked like Portly like last like like the Pokemon Lantern. I don't know what you're talking about There's a lot of people that could fit that He's talking to us about how he went to cons in the local area, but it was a big anime guy And then I said yeah me and Ben are like stars of brony con we go there all the time Yeah, I'm just picturing Lantern the Pokemon It's just like hey guys we're going to an anime convention. I do not recall that So okay, so first amendment right yeah, I don't care about that thing for me, right? So, let's just do another wild card episode what I think is uh, no What I think is one of the most widely-held fallacies about specifically the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States is This fallacy that and this is gonna like oh I'm tensed up because I could get all y'all fucking jumping on my ass over this but okay this perception that the first amendment Only applies to units of individual solitary people. Hmm. What I supposed to like corporations and what not well Here's the thing about that right because the actual text of the fruit of the first amendment is Well, hold on. I'll just look at that. I probably should have looked it up before first amendment What it says is I'm I gotta keep fucking coughing to get to it for score. Yeah, okay Congress shall make no law Respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of The press or the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for a readdress of grievances that Is a part like a certain like Comma section and no one ever talks about when they talk about the idea of free speech Basically, there's this idea that if people band together to form a corporation They've now voided their ability to speak because it's no longer a person now It's not that I don't think that press clause really covers like corporations. It covers the press Well, it says the press which basically means like a couple people who report information in the news group of people who say That's not like what a corporation is a corporation is a business of money-making I mean if you argue that a person, you know, should be treated like, you know, if a company should be have the rights of free speech That's probably fine. I just don't think that glass dresses that yeah Well, no one ever no one ever brings it up though like like like we always like doesn't come up when people say freedom of the press Isn't that exactly what they're talking about? Yeah, but people don't really think about it, right? Because you hear people say like okay, I'm a person. Therefore. They don't have free It's goddammit that part is not about corporations. It's about the goddamn press. I Know but like but like the press isn't a person, right? Yeah, it's the press. It's not okay. I'm sorry. What's what do you get? Because my feeling is that like, you know, if you team up with someone like like even the PCP isn't incorporated But it's not a person. It's a group of multiple people, right? So I don't know. It's just kind of like a for me I just think of that as sort of a fallacy that people need to like I wish that um Like the way that publicly traded corporations work is obviously very very problematic and really should be looked at But then I just feel like people sort of throw out like the entire every single baby with that particular bathwater I think I know what you're getting at you're talking about like walk around as though if you don't represent a single person Then you don't really have the right to of expression. I don't know what here's a here's a here's a thought about this So for example Chick-fil-A just fucking loves Jesus down to their like, you know Chick-fil-A doesn't want to give like their their female employees like birth control and whatever There was like a thing about that because they that like the text they say is we have a sincerely held belief that like We are like a religious organization This is a fundamental principle of us and this goes against our religious beliefs And we don't want to be forced to do things that go against our beliefs and like I could Understand someone being skeptical, especially like an atheist who's like well That's obviously just a trick to like get away with you know Just not having to spend more on their employees But the thing is I am 100% convinced that Chick-fil-A is 100% sincere about their love of Jesus And even though I don't think he's you know real or whatever. I mean You know the thing about Chick-fil-A they close on Sunday, man. They cut off profits one seventh of the day you would Think that that would be Unpopular you would think that they would get a lot of backlash for that and they do but the thing is there is a large Population of people who sincerely agree with them. They might be in the minority I don't know they might but there's enough of them that like the goodwill generated within that population like more than Lots of people don't want to eat their shit because they're you know terrible you're just you're appealed to your demographic I Don't think they're doing themselves any favors really by like because they really are putting themselves in the camp of like a small minority I would argue like I guess I don't know the Most Christians are atheists in denial, I would argue Especially in America The thing about refusing on birth control right my I think my dad actually agrees on me with this position I mean if a little bit like begrudgingly which is um, I think it's in general Bullshit that you have to give employees like certain things Unilaterally like what happened to just oh you want this job? Here's what will offer you maybe it's money Maybe it's healthcare. Maybe it's this handshake agreement done. I mean, I think both of us Yeah, the fact is Where the fuck we're all these Christians? Like protesting the idea of you have to give every employee a certain amount of healthcare a certain amount of dental based on certain You know random bullshit back before it became Religiously controversial right like Christians should have been on their fucking toes to realize Oh shit if we're allowing way back in like the FDR and LBJ era for the government to force you to give certain things to your Employees that could be turned against I don't think they did back then though I think that the reason it's become an issue is because like as as you know Things move in a more progressive direction in some aspects of American life like the idea of how contraception should be because it's like You know you can make an argument. It's part of women's biology and you know Now now they've added on yeah, yeah now they've added on birth control and like abortion on to it It's like well, I think I don't think it's wrong I don't think you should be able to have a get out of Get out of help get out of benefit-free class because you don't believe in abortion I just feel like everyone shouldn't have to be giving certain people certain things outside of like a simple hand Like a simple contract between employee. I mean me personally I don't think I don't think any company should be giving contraception because like it's not a mandatory thing like don't Fuckin yeah, it's a hundred percent effective. You know, I mean that's I mean I mean if it's that's like if that's a thing that would be covered by health insurance like like like birth control is Covered by health insurance and and jobs provide health. Okay, but I know this is an extreme example But just just for the for the the intelligent, you know reflection of this principle It's like so like what if I am one of these people who what do they call them the people who are like into getting Viruses and into getting diseases If I'm a bug chaser and let's just say that I go get AIDS because I really want AIDS and I'm into that Like is it then the company's responsibility to pay for that? Because now it's a medical issue No, and it just did the same way I would argue that you have exactly as much agency to not have a child and need you know an abort You know contraception or whatever Well, I know You have agency and lots of things like why does that mean that it shouldn't be covered by health? Well, okay, this is the real point though. I I'm with DeVoo, and I'm really libertarian I just think basically companies just shouldn't do it. They shouldn't be in the business of like giving health care It should just be I don't like I don't like that help the way that health insurance is set up Yeah, I don't like that you have to like work for a company so that they so that someone will pay for you Like just give me the money. I think it should just be available. Well, I think it should I mean I think it should be universal and I think everyone should have access to whether you fucking work for a corporation Young people working entry-level jobs or trying to get jobs in the first place Ever notice how you're totally dependent on your fucking job for your fucking care And you're doing the fucking insurance company and your hospital to get the right care And you're responsible on your government to be able to take care of all your shit Maybe there's a reason why politicians love to talk about how you should give people more fucking health care More dependent I just I just want to point out that about this probably applies to lots of health care issues But about birth control specifically like birth control is cheap and children are expensive and like yeah Like everybody wins like everybody wins if people have easy access to birth control I like that's not I don't think it's like I think that that I think that providing that service pays for itself like It's only it's just that is a real practical concern that I am very sympathetic to but it's just that when we do that It then opens up the door to this like this chick-fil-a type situations where things get messy because they really religiously Have a problem with doing so Christian Baker being requested to make a gay wedding cake. I just wait I just want to say that I really think the problem here is with like the fact that health insurance is like a corporate Responsibility I think that's where the trouble comes in. I mean you can get health care outside I mean I never have so I don't really know I'll find out when I quit my job one of these days, but Yeah, that sound bite to your boss Wait, what was someone's just making a transition it was a topic that was interesting. Yeah What was that Baker being requested to make a gay wedding? Yeah? Oh, that's a good one. Do they have to now? Here's my dad okay my dad I didn't clarify this my dad's like a super Christian guy got lots of like degrees in Bible He's like he's about to go on like a short missions trip. Actually. Where's it going? I don't want to don't want to fucking dog. Well, I thought it might be like you Okay, fine, fine, so um He's going to my house Like one of the fucking trolls is gonna go down into like central Some fan some fan in like Zimbabwe Listening Hey, are you divvoo's dad? That we fucking have on this show we have we have divvoo who's just like I can't dox my dad's where he's going on Like the mission for for the church and then did you like Virginia Beach my hometown? I don't think a town is He mutated himself, okay, he's probably been trying to say stuff for getting him you well maybe anyway, so my dad My god, you know, it's just common courtesy to accept custom from people, right? So like yeah, he'll clean a gay person's windows for example, right note. No problem there, right, but he thinks Baking that's like artistic expression, right making a cake make an argument Like something that comes from more from your soul, right and just exist but yeah, right where like I totally feel that way, too I thought I think it's ridiculous that like that you Have to be forced to uphold any kind of like Right societal moral standard that is like the whole point of freedom of speech to me Is that like and freedom of to be able to do whatever you want with your corporation is like I think everybody's just a pundit for the world that they want Right like we all exist to try to promote the world that we want to live in and like most of us Disagree with each other about the specifics of that world like the amount that we agree on is where we've drawn the lines in Our country like the lines in the sand is where we've like we all agree on at least You can't kill people like there's some people who disagree with that But they are such a minority and we feel so strongly the opposite that we're gonna make sure those people are not listen He was trying to I was gonna say about the the gay wedding cake thing because I heard about that way back when it was And I remember always thinking like of course you should be allowed to refuse service if that's what you believe Yeah, even though I didn't think it was a good idea I think that the point is that you should have you should have the free You should have the freedom of expression to have a like Unpopular business model that does Do in any other situation like did you there was a situation that happened a couple years back? That was like the inverse of this. There are a bunch of like like super hardcore Christian people like passing out pamphlets and stuff and and like I think it was like like a Like a pro-life sort of thing that they were doing and they went to this coffee shop to like take a break This guy comes in and screams at them that he's a gay guy He disagrees with everything he said get the fuck out of his cafe We're talking about gay people don't even need abortion and they and they did and they had to leave and like all the same people who would like be You know like you gotta make the cake. We're totally on his side kicking them out. So it's just like right That's a tough one cuz like he's that's a double standard I always heard is would you force a Jewish baker to make a swastika cake to which like the rebuttal to that is usually Oh, but that would be ridiculous because those are Nazis and it's like there you go Free speech to you is all the things and The thing is that we don't need the government to do anything about this because the free market will do something about it Like that's the if you refuse you just go somewhere else If you make a statement that like you will not make a gay cake for anybody like people who think that that's not okay Of you to do will not buy from you and let's you could even lose your platform like as a store You have to be renting a space What if your realtors don't want to support your business anymore because they don't believe in the same things as you What if the people in your community want you driven out? What if they pick it like you you know What if they stand in protest outside your store every day and you can't get any customers all of that fine You know now we get back to the thing I said at the very beginning which is that people get into giant like twisters on like who's the one that broke the Free speech, you know, it's like It's like who's the one who crossed the line to censorship here, right? And we need to always be very vigilant of when we cross the line into saying The government should do something about I think I feel because people jump to that so often We should take more time out of our day to emphasize that we very specifically Don't want the government to get in on I feel razor fist just had a video about this with the whole yeah gambling thing So check that out. I'll have to check that out. I feel so bad for the word censorship It's really been abused these last years. It's really taken a beating and it's gotten a raw It's got a raw deal censorship used to be a powerful bastion and like this is a criticism of guys on like the right as well This isn't just like SJWs. It's like censorship is like when it's censorship when someone You know like I don't know That's it and tells you you can't when when when people invoke the government To say that like like if you were if you're petition petitioning Obama to ban the word retarded You are advocating censorship and that was a huge movement right that happened in the in the late 2000s and You know funnily enough This goes back to what I was saying before about like how Louis CK was like the bastion of free speech and then became a Same thing with Steven Colbert. He had this amazing segment where a guy was who was doing this campaign to get rid of the word retarded had come on his show and Colbert listens to the entire thing and then at the very end turns to the audience and says alright kids Don't say the word retarded. It's totally gay Do you remember that I remember it well and now he would you know now He'd probably be on the total opposite side of that because it looks good for support like it looks good to just So to whatever the gay community Basically an indie youtuber who like got picked up by the mainstream and like became like a real Just streamlined everyday vlogger here. I go is a youtuber now isn't This is a disgrace what he's doing right now. God. It's sickening. I used to love Colbert. I loved him Jesus Christ would have yeah like I think we're retarded, right? I remember one time I made all the money they threw at Colbert to take that job Censorship that's goddamn censorship because they infected his brain with a love of cold hard cash. It was immoral All right, I'm sorry all the fucking Obama stimulus bucks Yeah, don't trust anybody if they if they've if someone sold out enough that they can run a late-night talk show They're not worth trusting anymore to a degree. Yeah, yeah Right, I remember one time making a chain of tweets that was like two guys talking and it was like oh Man, dude my boss. He's totally blinded to the truth. Huh? Yeah, man. Your boss sucks Oh, dude, I'm in a cancerous relationship. Oh, man. Yeah, man. I totally I hope you get out of relationship Oh, dude, my finances are just crippled right now. Oh, man. I hope you get a good break Oh, dude, this this guy I saw yesterday was this joke. I heard yesterday was retarded whoa Hey, man, it's offensive to use real-life disabilities as a negative insult Christ But someone responded with I don't know with with the very cogent argument, but I still that was like my favorite With the very not really logical but emotionally I understand it argument which was as follows I don't know man saying retarded as an insult just seems kind of wrong Which is simply because if you're retarded, you're a worse, dude I fucking hate people who say shit like that because they just like they just could literally that's complacency It's just oh, well, I don't want to think about it. I'm just gonna do what people tell me I get it like what I just said This is the hard truth that no one wants to face if you're retarded You're a worse person because in our society we value who you are on the inside And if you're retarded you are actually worse at being a human being on the inside listen and no one wants to face up to that It's true. No, you're not wrong You're in an intellectual capacity way if you have you know a mental deficiency then you are less but it's not to say you're a worse Person than this isn't if you have great. I'm not I'm not trying to disagree at all but just for example my mom is a special education teacher and I would say Retarded to her all the time and it was very common for her to say to me Nate like I wish you wouldn't say that like that's people, you know That's a very negative thing to say and like my kids would you know be the I wish you wouldn't say that bitch How do you like that? Perfectly, I never like did that like occasionally I would try to avoid that particular word for emphasis when talking to her because I didn't want to hurt her feelings Which I guess it's self-censorship, but like I Think we all are gonna like self-censorship is a good idea in all capacities Of course of swear words or things that are obviously offensive Sensor yourself all the time for all kinds of reasons and we don't your inner your inner monologue is Offensive to most people around you the word censorship, you know even just in its usage right now Unfortunately has this this the same sort of phenomenon that the word racist has had in that like so many different like degrees all get Mixed up in one word and then people basically hear the most extreme thing when you say it So like like if I delete someone's tweet like I understand that is like you are technically accurate to say I am sort of censoring them. Yes, by the way, which I like literally never ever do But like that would be a fair thing to say but beyond that I think you are going against sort of the spirit of what real censorship and like notable censorship is if the if Governments never existed, but Twitter did no one would have thought of the word censorship is meaning anything all that bad I sort of yeah, I basically agree and just instant. I just really want to point out I never delete tweets or like posts or anything. I like I just leave it I want to jump back on that Retarded thing that DeVu was saying about the guy saying like oh, it's just kind of like uncomfortable to say that I think that is so fucking intellectually dishonest and it's because The the words that you feel uncomfortable with are changing all the time. It was totally different ten years ago We all said retarded nobody thought it was weird But now that people now that someone in your social group is not okay with you saying it it makes you uncomfortable You know used to say gay and now gay is not cool, but I still know anyway Gay kind of circled around to being cool. Yeah, this is how fucking simple I know people are is that people will fucking watch Someone like that guy on the Colbert rapport who will just turn up on TV and give you a sob story about why it Offends him when you say retarded and then you'll go around to your friends be like guys It's not okay to say retarded and then you'll listen to some other guy some comedian Who will give you the exact opposite story with a decent amount of reasoning and you'll go? Oh, I guess it's okay to say retarded again because this guy made the argument and now I realize Oh, I do like saying it and like people are exactly that fickle Is it just back and forth between Comedian this comedian made it okay to say gay again this gay guy. I think like you know now We got a lot there my lilo's flaming gay. Yeah, he's gonna say all these words You got YMS out there calling people faggot all the time like yep, and he's like hey I do you think I'm not allowed able to handle the word faggot and fuck you and I'm like well, okay The gay community has disowned Milo. They have disowned Though and he's you know, you're right What's more offensive to YMS calling him a faggot or calling or questioning the fact that he needs someone else to edit his Incredibly lazily edited YMS, please fire your quickie editor get somebody who can make them quick You know just like the guy is editing them as though he's trying to make the worst YouTube video I mean they could be a lot better. They're they're not great I think that on this particular like slippery slope of like these words gay and retarded I think retard is a little bit easier to justify because you can Google it the second definition is Delay or hold back in terms of progress develop god damn it to move But everyone knows what you mean when you say retarded no one's using that definition Well, hold on because I actually I don't know maybe maybe I'm a little bit more literally minded than average Possibly I kind of think of the word retarded as like I Tend to think of like stupidity, you know people whose brains aren't sure sure But if you like if you there's like a fan and you stop the fan with your fingers And then you start moving the fan in the opposite direction You are retarding the blades of the fan, right like retarded does kind of also mean You're absolutely right that that word does in fact have a basically socially acceptable definition But but here's the thing though. It's just if I call you If I call you a faggot like there's really no way around the fact that that's simply an offensive word Now now now going to get the thing about gay is that the thing that we're really referring to is something that like I think those those words kind of the gay is getting its new meaning because of a thing that is More commonly colloquially attributed to gay Individuals is kind of that discrimination to do that then that is I think it like it has a little bit more of like a Discriminatory or a little bit more like stereotypical origin. Yeah, right? Even though you recognize it's not all gay people But it's it's like certain traits that you can often see stereotypically at least in gay men You know, I think so A lot of people use the word gay me included as just like bad Yeah, I don't feel that way about anything homosexual I think what a lot of people forget when it comes to like stereotypes and stuff is that we as human beings like to be a Part of something we like to be stereotyped We want if it's something that we actually feel connected to like, you know There's a reason that like black comedians constantly talk about being black like because it's they they've taken which elements of like the stereotypical black experience people want to identify themselves with and like claimed it They've been like, yeah This is what black people are because we like that and we want to be this way at least at least Yeah, well my my dick is big my my you know What's the line that Kenjick sings in black or the berry like that whole song is him like rattling off all the like black cliches that like Black culture has tried to embrace and be like this is the positive image. We want of ourselves like yeah, okay We'll invite some of the dumb shit to yeah watermelon and chicken whatever everybody likes those things That's not offensive to say that we like those things You know although I will say I saw a little black girl chasing a chicken around. I was kind of offensive Is there such a thing as inner blackface because I think you've got a diggie. I definitely have inner I've got some kind of weird I only in the world do black in Japanese media like all I consume is black in Japanese media So I don't even know what white people are up to because I can't listen to country. I can't do it like I've ever heard but me but me Ben had a conversation on a reference calculator is about how y'all is a black a black word that I y'all is just a southern word Everyone in the south yeah, but but all but also the people are black now Well, okay You know Thomas soul doesn't just doesn't just in economics. He also does black history shit, right? He has a book called it's a stupid title But it was actually fucking reviewed by a better than food book reviews Black rednecks and white liberals in which like his findings is that the southern culture and southern accent all got sparked by Northern Britain like those are the ones who move to the south in America And that's where the accent evolved into the southern accent That's funny and then that southern accent and southern sensibilities were taken We're then you know that's where most of the black slaves were and then they Emigrated in northwards and then that's where sort of the modern racism situation. So what you're telling me is that Gibb is a slave holder That's what I'm hearing Most countries north is where yeah The funny thing about the east coast is that it's like especially with black people It's all very interconnected and there's lots of emigration around like most of the people I knew in Virginia be like in Virginia period were from New York and like so so people constantly like Transport like between the south like Georgia and Virginia where the cost of living is a lot lower than New York Because New York's like crazy overpopulated and like the cost of living is insanely high to have like a tiny shit hole apartment So like people who can only afford to live in like a one-room apartment in New York We'll just like get all their shit together into a fucking car and just like Abandon as much as they can and just hail Mary down south when they have kids so that they can raise their kids in a house So like that's where literally like half of all the black people in the South like come from it's just like New Yorkers Who flee down to have kids and then eventually a lot of those kids go back up to New York because they need jobs You know, is this like the fucking penguins or certain like breeds of fish Yeah That's just like the majority of who's in like the boroughs in in New York, you know Like white people are doing the same shit, but it's just poor the poor are doing this. I can't believe it We're fucking penguins. This is like the biggest revelation. Happy feet is our future. Hey, listen, there's one more area I wanted to talk about a munchie. Did you want to chime in? Yeah? I think I have a thing to say about self-censorship. That's all right. Yeah, me too. Actually. No, I censor you Yourself I walk outside and every single day when I'm interacting with literally any of my family Mmm, all it is is like self-censorship. Yeah, all it is. I do not I There's this line in a Sam hide like one-off like vlog That is just meant to be funny. It is hit home for me and made me cry on certain occasions Where where is it? We are gonna create a community for people just like us brothers It's gonna be called Georgia land and I am a white nationalist. Is that is not the line you're talking about? Yeah, that is Yeah, okay, it's it's it's sister line is my mom would hate me if she knew what I was really like. Yeah Interesting interesting, you know, I I just want to say like um About all like self-censorship There it is it's happening right now. I'm trying to get the words out, but I won't let me I I Like I reserve I like the idea that You can say stuff like the n-word instead of niggum because Like like just because you are okay with it and just because people around you are probably will be okay with it Doesn't mean you have to go as hard as possible every time sure sure I think it's okay to be like I don't want to be called out as a bitch if I say the n-word I think that's just as okay. I wouldn't say nigga Like I think it's fine if people are uncomfortable with saying the word because they legitimately don't use it like Like like like it's someone like Anthony Fantano He never says it even if it's in like an album title like but it's because he just he's never been someone who says nigger So like he knows it would be forced if he started now like he's been avoiding it his whole life Why would he suddenly start you know that that's a reasonable point the reason why I Disagree and I I deliberately dislike when people avoid saying the world is because that really that that is the vicious cycle of keeping The word like in this weird Yeah, I do call out. I actually just like I've said in the past like I think he's a bitch for not saying it when it's in An album title because I'm like to me. That's being ridiculous. It's like you're you're like you're you're so Obsessed with following the rules that the supposed rules that you can't just like literally call the thing by its goddamn name That they gave it you know like it's not disrespectful to call it by the name dude. They gave it. There was there was a time I was at karaoke in Seattle one day and I I was I was doing some singing and I was singing Some some fucking Kanye song I can't remember what I was like the closer for the night I go up there I'm busting it out like the DJ guys this big old black friendly fellow I'm singing it out. We get to this part. I bust out So that's of the nigger we lock eyes. He gives me a smile and a firm nod Experience during karaoke when I was doing Yeah, because I was I was at a karaoke bar with my one of my black friends was there and him and the other black guy Who just happened to be at the bar like teamed up to do a Kendrick Lamar song because you know Hi everyone every if you would know anything black, then you must be a fan of Kendrick Lamar It's just like the rules right now basically in culture. So yeah, these guys won't get on stage to do bitch Don't kill my vibe, but I immediately detect that neither of these guys actually knows the words But I do so I get up there and I'm like gonna do the actual rap parts You know for these guys and I'm sitting there and like I'm saying nigga And I see the dude I can tell the dude who doesn't know me for like one seconds like hold up Did that white dude just say nigga, but then he's like then again He knows all the words and neither of us do yeah Nigga up here for real though right and you know what okay Look, I'm just gonna like make an assumption here Maybe other people like can confirm this if I'm a black guy and I hear some white person say nigger I might perk up because maybe they're racist or maybe they're chill right and you have to like worry about that Right, you know like it's just unfortunate that we're in a situation where the words are this You know Intense. Oh, yeah, what if we send the niggas great. That's good Oh, by the way the song was run away. I was singing. That's what it was. It is nigga one time one time Did you remember Matthew Matosis review of fireshock infinite where like it's supposed to be this society where people are racist against blacks Yeah, they never go farther than saying negro. Yeah, he literally was like shit maybe saying nigger all the time like Because that because if you see if you don't let them use the word nigger then you're like you're making your white washing it You're making it look better shit than it was and like yeah And honestly what if you're a person who gets upset when white people say nigger, but not black people as much all I can imagine It's like an old-timey 1950s photograph with a couple of fucking water faucets There's a nice one that says the words for white people only you can only use prim and proper words If you're a white person then down here at the little dingy water fountain That's the ones that the colored people can say they can say words like nigger if they wish right that's what I see It's fucking I hear a larynx All right, hey by the way, you guys ready for a big call out You want me to you want me to call somebody out on the show? Oh geez. Yes. Okay. I'm ready So so this is also this debate this very debate is a thing in the black community Because of the fact that Quentin Tarantino wrote Django Unchained, right? Spike Lee is not okay with this Spike Lee who's like the blackest director ever, you know He made he's made all kinds of fucking great movies. He made a what's the fucking one that Jesse loves Nate You know it right glorious bastards. Oh the Spike Lee movie Do the right thing do the right thing. Yeah, and like he directed Kings of Comedy all this other shit He he has a real problem with Quentin Tarantino saying, you know, like writing nigger into his scripts Yeah, and he called out Samuel L. Jackson for being in the movie. He was like I like he's like Oh, I'm not okay with that Samuel Jackson was like look like this is real shit And he said he said Samuel Jackson said you think I'm gonna pass up the opportunity to play the most hated black character in Cinema history like no, I'm taking it, you know, but like It's just what are you trying to do Spike Lee? Are you trying to make it seem like the the racist slave-holding American South wasn't offensive enough to say nigger? Trying to do the day. Here's what I think it comes down to like I understand why there are some people who are Uncomfortable with the message of Tarantino's film and why like they would think it's not okay for him to write this movie But like I don't like I don't see how those people can not understand that there are other black people who will be like No, this is actually exactly what I wanted This is totally vindicating and I love right which is how a lot of my black friends were about the movie like literally my friend Marcus was a black guy who didn't really say nigger much until he watched Django and then started saying nigger all the time Like and he literally attributed it to the movie like that was that's the kind of shit That is actually happening in the world. This is real. That was a real story I just told you and like you have to think about that when you talk about this shit You got to think about the black guy who watched that movie and felt so like I mean I don't know what that means about him and maybe some people be like Oh, I'm not okay with that being like how the youth are feeling but like look That's just what it is like this dude came from Virginia Beach He was raised weird because he had to go to speech therapy when he was young So he talks white and like people picked up on that and didn't really Include him and so he hung out with me and anime nerds and learn how to do kung fu and became jacked and join the army Like this is the kind of people who exist We got to think about everyone who exists when we talk about who can say what words and what they mean to who you know Right, you know when I like I feel that in myself. I forgot my call out though My call is my no might know my call out is Nino who jumped on my song white nigger to help make this point But then he came back later and he got famous on black Twitter and started work writing for a fucking Huffington post and Yeah, Nino writes for HuffPo They're black site like they're they're like they're like black interest Yeah, okay point being that because he started like hanging out with them. He's all like oh now I know I'm not like about white people saying nigga no more like And I was like, oh you fucking cunt you nigger get out of here You know when you talk about like what what's up with the double standard and people like people were very explicit about it Like movie Bob will say dude slavery is why the countries that we are living in right now Did these things that underprivileged certain colors and overprivileged others? That's the reason there's a double standard because when you go into it on an individual basis It seems like the double standard comes from someone you went to fucking college or got a job in media Like we're gonna fucking a liberal girlfriend You know honestly, I don't have much to say on this point except that I just wanted to say that like Like did you like well? I don't know I don't have burn with a seething rage at how how like lucky black people are They get to say the word nigga. I don't burn with that, but I don't I don't feel that way either I just want to clarify that the reason that I feel so strongly about this is simply that this word has always been in my head and to me it's like it's so ludicrous to be like oh like Everything you like has always had this in it like you've you've that the movies you grew up on the music you listen to just like everyone else It's the same reason black people use the word is they hear it all the time So that's I heard it all the time and but it's like it's literally Discrimination to look at someone to be like oh well you might have grown up with this word just like anybody else But because your skin color is different you can't say it I completely agree and that was my point my one of my favorite shows of all time is the boondocks And I know 100% without a doubt It is due to my love for the boondocks and the excessive use of the word nigga that I started to incorporate it into my literally when I was 12 I read all of the comics of the boondocks this is what I would call the good kind of cultural Appropriation like I developed an appreciation for hip-hop as a result of watching the boondocks And yeah, like I got introduced to just like more black characters expanded my my interest So I would say that like because of the fact all cultural creation is good except for like really tacky cultural appropriation Yeah, I think that because of the fact that like black culture has so much like a meta text to it And that like that the boondocks is specifically about exploring that like when you watch that as someone like me who's got like a Very categorical brain where like I memorize all the names and connections between things like I do with the anime industry But like with black culture because it's so self-referential and everybody's like playing off of each other all the time like when you start studying that it's involving in the same way that like anime is and That's why I end up like like all my favorite shows that aren't anime are like the boondocks in Atlanta and like other shit Like that cuz like it's almost a narrative I'm keeping up with of like what's going on with the blacks, you know like well, okay I just want to make the point that like it just simply is part of my human experience To like use the word nigga for example and I just want people to know that if you tell me that I can't do that That's I I understand your perspective, but it's not that I'm just Burning news. It's just you're simply telling me to not be who I am So if you're comfortable doing that that's fine like you can make that argument But that's why I strongly disagree with that point Uh now I the only other thing I want to talk about was I wanted just just to cover for the sake of clarity You always got to touch on the private versus public like censorship Legality like what did you get banned on twitter? Is this censorship? Is this you know fucking is that violating free speech? Like what's you know what? I think I I think that like obviously twitter's They're a company who can do whatever they want But like I do wish that there was like a protected version of twitter because I think twitter Weirdly is like a resource the world needs Like I think it's proven that like the amount of like Like I mean the entire fucking arab spring happened because of twitter like what the fuck like it's it's so important to like Disaster relief efforts and stuff like there should be like an open public highway version of twitter that like Yeah, and it should be and it should be for everybody like you shouldn't be able to get banned from it You know well that's the thing about corporations in general is that uh, this is something that libertarians because there should be no money Sorry, just there should be no corporate interest tied into it so that people can have unpopular opinions And it's not going to affect anyone's business interest is why I want it to be like You know But like okay, so like that's the thing about like corporations in general and this is something that libertarians are they really need to like Get themselves fucking woke on this They really need to address this that The whole reason we came up with free government the whole reason we came up with the idea of rights Is because we entered an age where we were approaching industry where governments were able to have a level of organized power That they could really micromanage and fuck with people's lives No one would have come up with the constitution in like 5000 bc right so For the same reason we are now entering a society where things are so interconnected that corporations are able to do a very similar thing Like even though it's all technically voluntary The level of control they could have over society is getting Pretty fucking thick and it's getting harder and harder for me to justify it as simply their private company. If you know what I mean Yeah, yeah, it's like the argument where people are arguing like our twitter and facebook Like are they at the point where they're becoming like public utilities, right? That's the issue. That's the issue So like what if someone still made the argument that like well, you know the internet's run by private companies So like it took there was a point where we decided that like telephones were a public utility Because like an inventor made it and then it became popular and then they made a utility And then I think the same happened with the internet and uh like It's just I really think a lot about this like what's the right balance We I have no interest in like dictating exactly to a company What to do to pursue their profit motive that's that's their business and that's totally fine But on the other side when you're in the business Of like allowing people to communicate it becomes Like if twitter is actually causing society to Splinter down the middle into like a more divided society That is not good and the question is how to address that like social media really seems to just have done this straight up So I don't really agree. I don't you mean like politically you mean I mean politically Yes, and along like ideological lines see people always say like oh man Fucking, um, you know social media is gonna make it to where you only get articles and headlines that you agree with and I I get fucking ha ha. Here's what trump did this week like all over the damn place to this day So I don't know like if this isn't working on me But personally in my experience. I've seen it as it's making people More aware of what other sides are saying than ever before maybe that's the problem. I don't know I have the exact same experience as you where I constantly have friends. We're both super lip-cuck and also conservative gods All the issues trump is bad or trump is good. I think the problem is is that most people do not have Uh, people who are they don't have a varied taste in friends. Yeah, they get into the bubble of people who agree with them Yeah, maybe they get into their bubble because it's really stressful, but I think ultimately I think the internet still Like even in your bubble, you're gonna see things eat through the algorithms are not perfect And I just think that like people are more aware than ever if you go to an extreme opposite end 500 years ago people with opposite political opinions live in a different country past a border and maybe a sea or two And you didn't even know them You the only chance you would have to conflict with them is up the broad side of a sword in a battle Right, but now we actually are much more aware of other world views, you know That like yeah that we wouldn't have known about and it stresses us out, but it moves society You know like like forces us all to hear one another at least a bit like I like right now I love being alive now because I get to listen to like I'll listen to fucking like uh, Ben Shapiro Then like the young turks and then I'll like listen to something Stefan Mullen. You says that'll go listen to like a fucking uh Sam Harris, Kyle Kalinsky fucking I'll listen to like the same video about the same topic from like Five six sources. I can't do that shit I would never I would drive it just I put it on in the background like while I'm working So I just it fills the time and by doing that I feel like I'm finally getting closer to like I know everyone's biases because I've listened to all these people a long time and now I know like, okay Stefan Mullen you is like insanely dedicated to like protecting children to like kind of a crazy degree I'm not calling him crazy, but like so like he's got huge biases. He hates big government He you know logically see has deducted that like government is evil got to get rid of it like, okay That's his bias the young turks. Have you super left wing a little bit stw. You keep all that bias brings to the table All of internet. Yeah, you're interacting and all trying to deduce the truth from politics It's just like an eight like a times eight or more venn diagram Where you have to have everyone's bubble all lined up and then that's right. You know that everyone has in common Is the truth? I think that I think Stefan Mullen you real quick like like the Stefan Mullen you think Um, have you heard? I think he's probably you've probably heard him talk about his audiobook Uh, universally preferable behavior. I've never listened to it, but I've heard about it I recommend it to you because it's basically him trying to derive an a sense of objective morality Yeah, it's through like just logic. It's just what I mean to yeah Yeah, I feel like utilitarians would it would be your I like never click it through it because he I feel like I'm finally ready to try and listen to all of it because he's basically it's him trying to solve the problem With no one being able to agree on morality. Right. So I don't know I'm Um, yeah, you fucking I didn't expect you to go out about that audiobook and maybe forget what the fuck point I was going to try to make well shit about biases Something to do with oh I don't think the problem is that we we get into like a bubble and only listen to a few voices It's that those voices are not good or are untrustworthy that like there's too many voices that like There's a reason that I've come to where like the only like politicized youtuber who I really follow Is razor fist and it's not because I agree with everything he says It's because I trust him to do the most research That every video he does he will have looked at everything He knows the names of everyone in the government. He knows like what they're doing He knows their histories. He knows what's happening He doesn't listen to the media and what they're saying He waits until there is real information that he can use and he almost always comes out Like if he said something was going to happen It usually happens because he's keeping track of what's going on better than anybody and like The world is not that hard to understand. You just need to know all the information The problem with like the young turks and cow calincy to a degree a lot of these guys who do daily multiple episodes of the show They want to produce content as fast as possible And I don't think any of them have bad intention But it's their business model that that puts them in a position of razor fist Fundamentally the reason why he has the luxury to be fucking informed is that he's not a political youtuber He talks about video games and heavy metal and he only makes a Statement on politics when he has a statement that he's actually pretty confident in and can look cool making and Yeah, sure like someone else who like their their job every morning is to get up and like put on their spin to make them Make their side look good. It's just I'll tell you right now that while I'm happy This hasn't happened if like super bunny hop ever became a political guy He would be one of the only people I'd listen to because I know he'll do all the research I know he'll come in with all the info. He'll never open his mouth about it. If you if he didn't, you know, I have a Yeah, and like that's why I have so much respect for both of those guys as as Like journalists on youtube because I think that we're in an era now where Magazines are just straight up irrelevant And because of the fact that none of them know how to adapt to youtube because they're all fucking retarded We have we as youtubers have to figure out how to make journalism Possible on the platform and like those two guys are the only people who I know of who I consider like serious Respectable journalists who I can trust to have done all the research and I know they're going to tell me facts You know, dude, dude, dr. Wolfe watches the episode before he reports on He goes deep He goes deep God, I'm integrity. Um Dr. Wolfe always gets a laugh. I want to know my self-censorship real quick before we close out Okay, because when did you talked about him and his his childhood? I really wanted to just share my piece and went on a different course So I'll just like let things ease down now So, you know having like christian non-swery parents parents who I want to go put it on the record Will say like nigger if we're talking about the word like they'll say it out of context They'll say racial words out of context, but they'll never say fuck or shit out of context I'm just like No, that's a little bit bullshit. That's a little bit bullshit. Anyway, you know, and then also like Being homeschooled and put into sort of like a really tight christian bubble of like various like kids who also have christian parents So there was just unlike digi not really ever surrounded by uh swear words, right? And not having watched adult content as a child So like it took me a while to even learn what all the swear words were actually and like, you know and it's like, you know seven or eight or so and Then by the time i'm around 13 I start getting into more like I start watching like south park or family guy and stuff like that Just completely of my own volition because my parents like don't even barely even watch much tv at this point Let's just watch Fox News actually And then all the fucking cop drama shows But so then like, you know, I'll be watching like south park, right? And then my dad will be like, oh, what you watching? I'm watching south park, you know, and he's like And I know exactly what to tell him to like to shut him off right right, which is oh, don't worry I'm not going to go around swearing like they do in south park and he's like, okay, I guess that's fine You know and then like maybe I'll be showing some episodes to erin who my brother who at this point would be like 12 years old and like My dad would be like, I don't know about uh You know, I'm like, hey erin's like, don't worry. Neither of us are going to swear. Don't worry. We're not going to do it You know, and he's like, okay as long as you promise to not be like those violent cartoons and then you can totally do it So what happened was as we get older By the time we're like adults or like he's almost an adult We no longer like give a single shit Like we are perfectly fine to swear on one another because we do not care anymore Except for the fact that we've promised to not swear as a result of watching swearing cartoons And we're both filled with pride over it We have so much ego on the line to prove to our father that we're not going to break the promise not of like loyalty But just to prove that we're that we're this is exactly the line. This is the exact logic that me and victor Right But and exactly like digi we came up with our own like swear genre. So for example, we started using um Van as a swear word right like what the van is going on here Yeah, are you van and kidding me? Right? So we came up with that as a swear because we were think we were talking about like old actors Maybe we were even talking about mary poppins and we were we brought up dick van dyke And we thought you know dick if van were a bad word dick van dyke's entire name would be bad Yeah, I thought you were gonna go with uh john claude van dam to avoid saying the word dam That works too, but that would apply as well, but just you know, but dick van dyke's a little bit clearer So there you go. So van just started saying van as a swear We I think we gave it like a couple years of runtime before it like really wore out as welcome and just made us cringe And then that's just when we started swearing. I'm curious to move On the subject you have like made up swear words like that Did your parents ever object to like not the word but like sort of the tone that you say the word with like Hey, I know what you're doing there, buddy You're trying to get something past me by saying a completely literally inoffensive word But it's your tone. That's the swear being said. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Oh, what the fuck and overreacting. It's all about tone and shit It wouldn't like insanity. He wouldn't like punish me. Well, sure sure No matter how young I was, but it was just sort of like oh, it's just interesting Once again, my mind is being torn apart by the breadth of the realization that this is just what the 90s was Like this isn't unique to our households because this is the entire logic that humankind Underwent up until the 2000s and here's what I mean Do you any of you remember? I don't know if you were still watching Cartoon Network at all at the time when regular show came out I know munchie. I was I'm not. I don't really call myself a 90s kid. This was all 2000 Do you guys remember the first time on regular show that they said piss? No, I don't did anybody see that Was that like groundbreaking to me? It was because okay, okay on on adventure time. First of all kids are They're saying suck on cartoons now. They said suck on Steven universe the other day. Yes, exactly So they started saying okay adventure time broke the seal on saying sucks And like dang it and heck and stuff like that like they were able to say that shit then regular show came Yeah, they could say kill and die and they've used that a lot They like really went in on the fact that you like a whole regular show episode about die Yeah, and then there's yeah regular show they started saying piss off They started saying they started saying hell like the idea behind the word suck like suck dick Is that like where yeah, okay, cuz then you know you have feminist on it I guess we're gonna have to have a whole we're gonna have to have a whole fucking debate on that But it was just because you you could you couldn't say you you couldn't say suck But you could say that something blows even though they're literally that is true But that is true. The the fucking thing about it is I literally watched them physically Move the overton window like a boulder like sycophants pushing it up the hill like Because you can you can look at the 80s and see that like There was a period where cartoons were a lot more violent and crazy because like gi joe Was the biggest thing and transformers and all that shit and and then you go to the 90s and they cleaned it all up No one there's like no guns anymore No one can say kill no one can like you know do this or that and then you get to the I definitely remember Bart Simpson saying that Well, Simpsons was different and that was why Simpsons was so popular was that it was like a counterbalance show a little bit Because it aired on primetime tv on wb. It was not a kids show, you know That's the thing this is not this is not like it always gets less censorship It's an ebb and flow you see an old cartoon characters can fucking drink alcohol and be drunk And now speaking of the Simpsons where we might be entering an era where it's too problematic to have a white person Voicing non-white character or vice versa the thing about like both both America and japan are very particular about time slots as being like the definition of what can and cannot pass so like Primetime tv like even even with adventure time in regular show The reason those shows could get away with that is that they usually aired in the afternoon And it was more of like an older like like the the the kids who were like 10 to 15 Watched during that time, you know as opposed to the really little kids who they're gonna like just show nothing But teen titans go to you all morning because that's like the teen titans go Is the only show they've ever made that is not only great But also like it's so mind numbingly colorful that kids can just stare at it all day So that's all they air through the morning But like You know as they moved to like younger and younger shows using these words even teen titans go is going to say these words Now you know like even the stuff they're showing to little kids because like just nobody cares anymore Like now that we have the internet you cannot protect kids from bad words anymore Like it's just fucking impossible unless you really are strict parent, you know, but like It's like we can't lie to ourselves any longer. And why did we ever do it in the first place? We all look like idiots. I I think religious regions. I think a lot of this came from our like Oh, oh, oh, yeah, I have to tell you guys the one last fucking fake square I came up with okay, well me me and my brother did wasn't really what was more like It was actually an all new innovation in the whole medium of language itself So my brother he just started saying shitsu, you know the pretty dog. Oh shitsu. Oh man Or even my fiance she likes to say shetlin pony, right? But yeah shitsu. Ah shitsu, you know, and then we're like, ah shitsu and then sometimes we delayed it. Ah shit So now you're pushing the edge there boy. You're getting ready for a beat Oh, oh, you have no idea. Oh, oh, that's just a beginning. Then we were like, wait a second We were just like, ah shitsu. Ah shitsu. Wait a second fuck sue It still works We're like we we have this like agreement, you know, it's all arbitrary, right? Yeah, like language. It's all arbitrary. The fact that fuck is offensive in the first place is arbitrary It was just made up No one's gonna be around to challenge this we hereby declare that you could swear as many fucking goddamn Mother shitting cunt blocking times as you want as long as you say sue within Time afterwards So sometimes we just be like, what the fuck you doing? Get the fuck off me shithead sue Two straight years being like we're still doing it. We still have our pride that we are not swearing Just like we promised our dad. I like that That's creativity at work. Uh, so have we figured anything out here? Have we answered the question of is free speech cool? Or is it gay? I think what we've no what we've learned is that we can just say nigger sue and it's fine Yeah, it's all arbitrary. It's a bunch of bullshit. Uh, let hashtag let children swear Uh, that's where i'm at. That's where i'm at with this. What we've learned is that we've already heard all of these complaints Yeah, yeah, you're right on all of our other shows. This is uh, bred no new conversation whatsoever Agreed indeed. Yeah, but it was good. I hope you listen to this podcast while doing something productive fans You know friends and family out there. That's what I do when I listen to podcasts about my 4chan uncle Because yeah, i'm in an interesting situation my 4chan uncle As you all know, I have an uncle. He goes on 4chan. Oh, no a deadly combination Yeah, uh, and uh, he's he's always downstairs in my house now because he's a dead bean for various other reasons It mostly is he's a dead bean and so i'm walking downstairs and he always tries to rote me in conversations about you know Hitler and the jews no matter how he's doing harassment. You wouldn't you wouldn't censor his free speech by not listening to him Now would you munchie? No, I would never censor his free speech, but I censored my own free speech Right the entire reason that he is talking to me in the first place He's always just been in a you know in a stupor and he doesn't really talk to anyone But I but I have uh Outed myself as someone who knows what 4chan is. Oh, no And now he always wants to talk to me and so I sense you can't unring this bell Exactly I can't explain to him But I don't believe these same things or you know do any of this stuff I just know what 4chan is, but I'm not gonna do that I'm just going to sense myself and just go along with ever political opinion is so uh most of because I'm just a coward That's the only reason that this is happening. It sounds like a hassle. Yeah, I don't know You want to save space at home? We all want to save space at home. I don't even challenge with scary 4chan ideas I'm in this bizarre dichotomy where whenever I'm around my mom's uh my mom. It's like, yeah I fucking hate trump me and fucking whatever. Hey, it's dinner ready soon, by the way And also and then whenever I'm with my uncle. I'm like, yeah, I fucking I want to suck trumps dick looking pretty dangly right there I want to Uh, but also, uh, hey, you can't take me out to lunch real quick I was gonna say like having yeah having you know pretty pretty not like hard line, but firm line, you know strict conservative Christian type people as parents And then also being an art person on the internet I've gotten like pretty good at like spinning whatever I want to say to be palatable to both people like oh Like me and like my fiance were like at dinner with my both my parents and like we were actually talking about Stefan Molyneux's peaceful parenting paradigm system that he's created which is all about like don't spank kids Don't even yell at kids don't even punish them use reason logic and whatever the fuck which i'm really interested in right But I know that if I say to my parents The idea is to never spank kids, especially my mom is going to immediately perk up and be like No, right, so I'm like trying to avoid saying that right To them but then like my my fiance does anyway. She's like yeah, the idea is to never spank kids and my mom goes Try getting that to work on every kid you have um Deveau was abused uh, that's what we've learned here today. Um, thank you for those questions I I want to say one last thing My favorite thing to do in super smash brothers Is to throw the ice item at princess peach Hashtag Wait, i'm gonna freeze peach free free speech freeze peach Freeze there it is Classic hippo tweets that's um Live yes, all right. Uh, the first question is from two weeks one spar and i'm curious about this as well Is it too late for me to get into rowdy fuckers cop killers lore? Oh, absolutely. No, no, it is is never too late. I can't believe you have to do What do you have to do to get in because I listened to the latest episode not having heard the last few And tried to join the discord and it was totally incomprehensible Okay, I would say that in terms of what to listen to probably the streams On twitch are the best are they cataloged somewhere? Yes on on on twitch on our on twitch slash rowdy frickers cop killers We try to make it right which literally would not allow us for the record Cop killing is allowed on twitch, but fucking strictly banned Did you guys see the my what I told you that I deleted last night? Yes, yes, please please say that on the podcast fucking embares yourself right now Lay yourself bare for the fans. This is amazing I so I've been doing like just blood-borne videos with may and so I just had the game open and the recording software open And she had gone to bed and I was listening to rowdy fuckers cop killers And I wanted to make like a video explaining why the pcp's quality had sort of like Fluctuated so much over time like what like literal physical things happened like such as that It used to be that everyone was editing it and Like because people were putting effort into the editing and then that no longer became incentivized or like The people who were doing it weren't available to do it anymore So now it's different and like just things like that Just like you know I explained all of it was like 40 minutes long And I edited it. I listened to the whole thing back. I fucking created this video Started uploading it and it was like 20 done But like because of the fact that i'm doing let's plays I'm just like trying to get all the footage on and off my computer constantly So I just deleted literally Everything while it was still uploading not realizing that it had not finished uploading Jesus Christ Did you I linked I linked a program that might be able to let you recover the files It's possible It could theoretically be recovered if you do it quickly how I deleted everything like oh last night It's a real thing deleted files. This is a program. I link over kuva try it out It's possible. I'll give it a shot But yeah, I Including the thumbnail and everything like that like because I'd already uploaded the thumbnail So single fucking piece. Yeah, I like damn spent like 15 minutes making a thumbnail You look straight at the thumbnail for the video you were uploading. I'm like, I don't need this anymore Yeah, okay. Well, let's let's let's learn a lesson And be a little more smoking weed digi look what it's doing to you I was really tired at the time Why why did you choose but to the important question to the important question rowdy fuckers cop killers lore You can watch the twitch videos, but mostly you got to join the discord Fucking pick up a weapon get in there get in the dojo But like the discord has no There's no like tails and start doing like when you go into the discord It doesn't give you like a pamphlet explaining what the fuck's happening. Did you I'll explain to you right now There's there's basic training. There's the basic training room with a link to the help document actually Crack is working on crack is working on like a new website that has like a more detailed like explanation I will explain it to you right now. I will explain to you right now He's hacking Okay, the rifle just cop killers Originally it was supposed to be a non setting and it was not supposed to have lore And I especially said this to bin that we should probably keep just a grounded setting and unfortunately even though I quite enjoy The lore it's warped in this bizarre like stealing your dad ripoff show basically It's stealing your dad painted green So here's also canon to stealing your dad. No, it's not Didn't didn't it come into being before the law of stealing your dad? No, no, no, it's not it's not at all. It's not you would make you Okay, okay, okay the poor the lore of seeing your dad Deep in in the arizona desert where where the grand canyon exists There's exited town and that town had nuclear uh a nuclear reactor on it and that nuclear Reactor spilled and it flooded the entire grand canyon with toxic waste aka slime And this slime was so valuable for various obvious reasons There's a city erected next to it named uh, we don't we're not entirely sure Some of the names aren't slime city or neo los angeles city or neo milwauki I just want to let you know every time I say the name of the city I always say new los angeles city aka neo milwauki You have to say the whole thing Okay, okay the the rest of the lore is this this decay america's fastest growing city is just a normal city But it's green and inside the city there exists an obelisk with unknown Presumably extraterrestrial properties known as endless war who incentivizes violence with his mere presence Me me and ben in real life have moved to slime city to uh try and get rich working the slime mines mine the valuable slime And uh, we've started a let's play show for a leisure and that it canonically exists within the world And because me and ben presumably after playing a heated match of super smash brothers got really mad at each other But because we're such pussies we didn't want to directly fight one other So we rounded the local youth and endangered uh juveniles and forced them to do proxy warfare We need to fight another in real life Wait but do you guys like live and work together in canon? Yes, we live we live in a house together and we record let's play it Are the rowdies and fuckers aware of this that you like live together? Okay, okay, but this is literally a deal or is it a metaphor for like a war You're gonna have to find out. You're gonna have to find out. You're gonna have to find out. It's on the Twitch. You're just gonna have to find out. Watch the streams to find the place to do the combat, to pick a side and gr- Okay, let me tell you, this is how you- this is a real thing with real life consequence because me and Munchy released the new Rowdy fuckers video while I released- whatever. We did it, I released it the other day, and in response to that video coming out, new people joined the Discord, and the Discord became more active, and this affected the slime economy so much that slime stock prices went through the roof. And the economy was destroyed as certain people- as certain people became insanely wealthy on the slime coin stock market. As a result, in like a month or so, me and Ben are going to have to fight Iron Man's style with at least 400 mucks in Pokemon. At least 400 mucks. At least. Hey guys, it's me. No! No! It's Lord of Ghosts! No! It's gonna be the Lord of Ghosts! He's so scary! It's the Lord of Ghosts! He's the rowdy fucking stopgillish character! It's the Lord of Ghosts! And he's also real, he exists in the real world. I'm very scary, I'm a- No! It's the Lord of Ghosts! He's so scary! Don't stay dead! Everyone revive! Explanation portal alive! Don't- don't feed into his lies! The Lord of Ghosts is too scary! Do not- do not feed the negus slime. Do not feed the negus slime, it's bad, and I'm scared of it. Leave Lord of Ghosts, I have all these incest, I have the salt. Whenever I scratch my head, there's like a Kyoto blossom of skin and salt. It's- and you can pop it in your mouth. I'm gonna feed that right to the right fucking now. Oh no, I gotta get out of here. Holy shit. Lord of Ghosts. What a haunting. He did it. Rowdy the rowdy fucker conquered his fear and drove away the Lord of Ghosts. This time. Oh, did I just miss the Lord of Ghosts? You missed it! What the fuck were you? God damn it! Yeah, but don't worry. I was just peeing. I have a feeling we'll see him again real soon. Tune in to Slime Fest 2. Yes. Alright, since we're on the subject of meta questions and behind the scenes shit, Gwee Kale asks, where's the bonus Radcon 3 content for non-backers? We still haven't resolved it, I don't think. Like, there's no progress on the subject. Good question. Like, I think we've all just- I mean, at least I've been wrapped up, and like, there's still some major videos to get done for it, so that's kind of done on my mind. But we really should just release that in some fashion. The difficult thing about all these Kickstarter's is it's like, it's hard to say exactly when is this done- Appropriate. Yeah, when is this appropriate to address when we still have like, unfinished business in doing the actual thing, you know? Which we're all hard at work on, by the way. The City of Your Dads are being aided currently, and I went into like a Ryers meeting with Ethan, and we went through it all, and we wrote down some jokes and funny shit to add it in. Excellent. And so those will be out soon, and they're looking to be quite juicy. Quite, quite juicy. I mean, to clarify, we have given like, all the bonus content has been released for the Kickstarter people. It's just like we're deliberating whether or not on when, if we are, to like, sell it to everyone else. Yeah, I mean, I definitely want to- It's just the only mechanism I really think that we have is to like, make it some sort of patron reward. But I don't want to like, I don't know, that's kind of a weird way to handle it. Other than that, like, I don't know how to like, actually set up like a purchase thing where someone can send us like, let's say, five bucks, and then we give them all the videos in response. I don't know how to like, do that. So, I don't know, we got a workshop, something. We should talk about this tomorrow's meeting or something, probably. Danits, Jack, you probably know something send it to us right now. Yeah, if you want to tweet at us, you know, send us some ideas. So we're already two hours and seven minutes. Do we want more questions or- I got one question from the- Do a few. From the- from a pity question for today from the Twitter at TPCrasteers, hashtag askBCP. Here's a question. At Zoomzike asks, what color best embodies you as a person? And I just want to redirect you to the newest episode of Radifuckers Cop Killers, where Ben and Munchy go through a big old breakdown of all the colors associated with the PCP boys. Okay, here are the problem, children. Here are the problems. Hippo and Digi are the problem when it comes to PCP colors. You say it's Hippo and Digi are the problem, but you could just as easily say that Mage and Nate are the problem. Well, I mean, the reason that- Okay, like Munchy and Ben were saying, for example, that they love my color, my bright green, which I agree is great, and it like fits my stuff. It's whatever, it's entrenched. Like, Give has always had this like green, but it is a grandfathered in from the pony days. Tom has never had like a set color. He was like blue as a pony, then he had the red with rebel pixels. DeVuz just has gravitate and sky blue. We all kind of know this. Ben is black and white. Munchy is obviously pink, and Mage insists on being extremely specific hexadecimal value of purple in everything. See, that's the thing is that like Mage has, both Mage and I have historically like always been like pink-purple range. That is true. That is true. Back in the pony days- I used to make you like an Indigo Digi, but it doesn't really move in. Back in the pony days, she was like a darker, like a deeper purple, and I was more of like the pinkish purple because I had like the sweetie bell design and everything on my pony. I mean, but you know, people, you know, they can do that. But yeah, but like, I mean, like I've got like the magenta meme thing right now, which I kind of want to lean in on because I'm going to make it like a relevant plot point in my series. I think you should. Yeah. So like- That's what we kind of settled on with you. Yeah. Kind of like in between red and purple. Okay. I'm completely fine, Digi, with you also being purple. In fact, I want that, and I think that is a good idea. Yeah. But there just are so few like cool colors. It just feels awesome. I feel like what- I think the approach that you guys have taken maybe reconsider the idea that like we're trying to represent a whole range of colors and more just that it's like a set of, like a palette that complements each other. Yeah, like you know- Like you're deciding a Ghibli movie or something. Like you're just choosing colors that go good together, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying. I don't know that they do. Well- It's just kind of a lopsided rainbow, really. Yeah, the- I'm- Like on the one side, you've got like the reds and the pinks on the other sides and then you've got like the greens and the limes I'm sort of saying that you can reconsider the color design to be more like that that it's less about like having a breadth of colors and more about creating an aesthetic in the way that the colors blend, you know? You know, I really think thinking about we should really make- like we just have to change mage to be like a deeper like purple blue like she was in the 20 days. Oh. She's gonna fucking riot. This is gonna be warfare in the streets. I know, I know. That would help so much, wouldn't it? Because there would be more blue. Let's just- Okay, here's what we need. We just would. But we can't just- We can't- We can't fucking miss color. Here's what we do. Here's what we do. Hashtag- Hashtag make mage orange. We need to start- Hashtag make mage orange. She needs to become orange to fill out our color palette. That's what we're missing. We have yellow. We have red. Ben is like- Ben's like the Homo Spectrum Carcat where he's like the orange guy that Time For God and has just become black and white. Which is fine. But we need a goddamn orange and we got too much purple. Yeah, yeah. Like hidden behind my black and white runs the secret- runs the secret orange patreon. Ah, exactly. Oh my god. That deep lore is actually great. That's fucking branding. I take it back. Ben is now black, white, and a secret orange. He is the orange slide. Secret orange. Agent orange. Makes perfect sense. We hippo. What are you? What- You didn't even know if you was presented that way. Just tell us. Well, I like the dark turquoise. I love that color. But if we really need to change it, I would not mind going into a Vriska blue. Oh. We don't have a dark turquoise. Because it is Vriska and it's also Hippocrite is- Yeah. Yeah. My channel is blue themed and I like Vriska. So I like that. But blue and green TBA. Are we prepared to abandon the decades long rise to fame of Gibb and Take, the world's greatest pony reviewer? I mean, Gibb and Take has been a dead character for years now. Like, aside from- Gibb and Take lives in the pony cast every week with every new episode of My Little Pony Goddammit. Like he just said, he's never been a part of the PCP, though, except for maybe the One Horse cast. Gibb and Take is banned for the PCP. Hippocrite is allowed in. Maybe when he gets his cue, he's totally blue themed. Maybe when he gets his cue, he's totally blue themed. So, that's always been nice. You know what? Make a hashtag, make Gibb blue. I like it. I would think that if we needed orange, Nate has like plenty of orange shit in his, like, iconography. No! Okay, listen, listen to me. I cannot be orange because of the Communist Glasses meme. I cannot be orange. It's unacceptable. I would die. Plus, like, we need that light green. Like, nobody's like that kind of green, is what I'm saying to myself. Nate, I personally believe, like, like, like you, Nate, Ben, and like, I don't know, maybe me, are like the strongest, like no one can budge that. Like, no one can budge that Nate's green. I love my bright green for the following reasons. One, it has matched, like, the background color of all the art since Ben first designed it years ago. Two, it is like the color of spiral power, which I always think to myself whenever I look at it. And there's a third reason I can't remember, but those two are good enough. For some other third thing, we'll ever change that. I wrote it down, but I think I like four reasons. Oh, and it needs to be purple. I just like purple because I associate it with dementia, and that's like, like, I've always tried to convey that my videos are someone who's unhinged and lost their mind. And, like, that's, like, I want that to be a constant presence felt in my videos that, like, this guy might be insane. And that's why I've always used purple theming, except for when I'm trying to be, like, accessible, like in the pony videos where I had green, because I was like, that's why the after-bark videos were purple and the main channel videos were green. It was like a... Oh, wait, wait, wait, real quick. I remembered what the third point was, because I looked it up. It's that the purple and pink of my avatars with yellow, because it looks like delicious watermelon. That's... Oh, I remember when I was designing V-Wagga, I specifically was trying to make it a watermelon. That's right, you did. Yep, that's absolutely right. That's absolutely right. Yeah, like greens, purples, and pinks are like my... By the way, did you? I remember there was a time... This moment stuck out with me in my mind for, like, many a year where I sent you like this in-card featuring Digi Bro... Digi Broany in the background of a bar. And you said that that was something that you've ever... Like I've ever made. Yeah. Was fucking Digi Broany in a bar, and it was funny. Because, like, I am super into the aesthetic of bars, and, like, it was just a... I mean, back then I didn't have shit-tons of fan art, so I hadn't been presented in this way over and over again. Like, now I have, like, hundreds of drawings of me, like, smoking weed and drinking and all this, like, people exclusively draw me, like, doing those things now. But at the time, it was like, oh my God, someone finally drew me like, this is where my pony has always belonged, you know, and, like, now we're finally here. Hey, here's a funny-ish question. Anyone else want to comment on this color thing? No? Okay, great. I just want to say how much... how glad I am that I snatched up the black-and-white mantle. Yeah, you really lucked out. Most people would fight over that. There's nothing else. Most people would fight over that slot. Like in Pulp Fiction. When they all... Sorry, Reservoir Dogs. When they all fought over, who'd be Mr. Black? But anyway, one spar, another question here, asks, during the process of editing a video, I find that starting the render, i.e. the wait four hours button, can feel relieving at some times and anxiety-inducing at others. But this is the interesting part. Do you have... Do any of you also feel a specific way when you initiate that process? Wait, I read that question wrong. I thought it was, do you have a ritual that you do when you start that process? I'm going to answer that question because I like it better. Yes. I relax. Of course you do it. I crack open a big glass of water. Skull. I smash a glass of water to get the jagged edge. I fill with water. I take a long, deep draft. I think that's the word for drink of it. And I just lie down. I just lie down for a while. I think the word for drink might be drink there. Well, I'm trying to flex my words. I just, I just, I'm trying to express how relieved and great I feel when I'm finally rendering a video. It's such a wonderful feeling for me. You really remind me of the YouTuber CGP Gray in a lot of ways sometimes. Though, though if you just took Gray but removed all, like if you took name and removed all memes, then you would get CGP Gray. He's super methodical. I think it would really behoove you to listen to the first episode of Hell Or In It because you would get super inspired by the way CGP- He's very Spartan and he does not have anything unnecessary in his house. I'm going to write that down. I'm going to write that down. Yeah, if you were, if you were to like create a spectrum of like a robot internet celebrities and CGP Gray is like pretty far in one end and then like Maddox is completely on the opposite end as far as you can possibly go, Nate is like super, like closer to CGP Gray but more in the middle I would say. Okay, okay. Like robots. My technique Nate's just a letter with CGP Gray. You know, I was thinking about this. I was thinking, is this a thing? I was thinking about dry comedy and I'm like, nah man, I'm into that wet comedy. I'm dripping. I, I, I, I, for the only fucking level, I came up with that when I was like 12. Okay, all right. That's part of my, I just want to say that spectrum that Davoo just described, like I was trying to think like what is the meaningful like putting those two people on opposite ends of spectrum. Oh yeah. And it's just like literally an insanity bar and he's putting you in the middle of the insanity bar. Like everyone here is insane just in like Well, all of them are like human robots but like CGP Gray has actually like completely thought out every element of his and is like actually just maximum efficient whereas yours is like a somewhat warped like halfway there like Yeah, I'm working on it. You know? Yeah, it's like if your robots fucking CGP Gray is like running like perfectly corrected Linux and Maddox is running like some fucking malware. Dude, my techniques and it's just a window. Like he's a window. It's not a lean machine but he keeps the desktop clean. You know what I'm saying? That's true. Beautiful. So my technique to be able to render is have Adobe Premiere because it renders shit I think literally 10 times faster than every time in Virginia when like Ben was having to borrow my computer for rendering and Ben was like Hey, DeVoo, I got to like render this video literally all day. Okay, hold on. Give me a second to render this other video extremely quickly in Adobe Premiere before he turned on in Sony Vegas and take all day on rendering something. I actually there's actually something fucked up with my computer because I assembled it myself and then shipped it around the country three goddamn times. And the CPU fan isn't quite fixed, right? So I had to throttle the power of the CPU to only work at like 80% of its capacity until I could get that fan fixed and even still Adobe Premiere renders videos like five times faster than Vegas would. So use Adobe Premiere to take the edge off. Yep. Makes sense to me. Agreed. Never. When I render video it's usually just like a sigh of relief like Yeah. Because I mean I edit really fast and I just tried it like for me it's like the second I've made the last edit if I, I mean well if I've watched it back enough times that I don't want to have to watch the entire thing again because chances are I watch it like over and over again the whole time I'm editing it so I know it's done, you know and then You don't understand with Adobe Premiere it renders so fast I can just render it before having to watch it back I'll watch it back in the render and redo the render. Because like the preview window can be so shit in Vegas that it's not even you know it's actually I'm just looking back at one's actual question and he's asking like it could feel relieving sometimes and anxiety inducing at other times I would assume that the anxiety part I mean like getting a project done is just like pure good feelings for me but the render itself I remember when I was rendering my big Final Fantasy lecture recently that was like over a 24 hour render so like that was very anxiety inducing because I was afraid of making my fucking connections and killing it so I had to start all over in that sense sure it could be anxiety inducing I think it can be anxiety inducing when you're not able to like you're not at your fullest of brain power and so you have looked over it to make sure that all the things are right but maybe maybe then you can't convince yourself that it's actually correct but you can't waste all day looking at it so you have to press render just not sure good point it hasn't happened a whole lot because I'm not a mainly video guy whenever I have pressed rendered it's always the same I'll press render I'll like jump up like a fucking gunshot went off I'll like run down the stairs I'll get some food and I'll like I'll like stumble outside just take a long walk while the video render because I've done my dues I'm not a video person I don't care about editing just like I've done it I've done my dues I believe bye and then I fucking run out the door yeah one thing I do like doing after I hit render I hope we just power didn't go off or something what? we'll find out I wanted to say something that was related to him because when you go ahead you go first yeah one thing I do like doing when I've hit render is usually I have like multiple projects stacked on top of each other and going on like in my brain at the same time so as soon as I've hit render on one thing I'm like okay I can't really use my computer but I really enjoy like figuring out how I can make progress on the next project immediately right if I'm still awake if I'm tired then I go to bed if I'm hungry I get food but I always want to like immediately work on the next thing while the thing is rendering because it's like a big old like time it's like a ticking clock you can get stuff done in this time frame that's exactly how I feel that's why for example I really love working out because working out gives me just an hour and a half generally three days a week I can't do anything but like just think and I'll generally put on podcasts to listen to or something you know what Nate I just realized I have that exact same like time and I really appreciate that but for me it's taking a shit I take extra ordinarily long you're gonna you're gonna get the hemorrhoids if you shit too long dude I think that has to do with you being he stands up I talked to my doctor alright and my doctor said if you take a long time to shit that I was like wait, wait, wait, wait you mean just like if I'm on the toilet for longer taking a shit that's going to like increase my chance of hemorrhoids just like literally exactly yes that's what it is if you're straining on the toilet I'm just saying there's an incentive to get off the toilet fast I think it happens a lot more if you're in your late teens I don't know about you guys but I used to take super long when I was in my late teens I would sit there for like 45 minutes I don't know better or my body stopped letting me eat as bad as I was like yeah, I shit more if people want to I used to do that because I would like get home from work and I have my own bathroom and I just I didn't even realize it because I was trying to immediately get back to working on videos when I get back from cleaning windows but you know just my body requires break time so it snuck that in under my nose and if someone ever asks just how much time did you spend sitting on the toilet after shitting you know I got to level 207 on candy crush with no power ups indeed so hold on the thing about rendering and nervousness I did the only nervousness I really have had in my YouTube career when it comes to finishing videos is just that I've it's just for the when I started working for Digi and then I have to be sending them off to someone else who could sit it back to me after like a day that's the thing that was like the most difficult is that like you're done with a video and then someone else to then see it and then approve or deny it or like you might have to change something and then like I could have completely moved on to a different project by them right but very recently I finally attained enough confidence that I know exactly what Digi wants that like I don't have to worry about like something blind sighting me 95% of the time so that's nice well guys if we're all done I want to read this one final question just bear with me for a second it's a little long but I think you'll hear it is my friend hey yeah what's up AJ it's 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