 I don't know if any of you all got a chance to see the debate slash discussion. It it was a debate It wasn't a formal debate, but it was a debate between John Clash as well as Dr. Sam Storms now a couple of things that I observed Just from the beginning and I thought that John did a very good job Now I'll say this you would think you would have thought just if you didn't know John before Never heard him before if you didn't know Dr. Sam Storm before never heard him before you would think okay. There's this guy Coming against this doctor who is he's got his credentials and so forth you that wouldn't even be close, right? And I really think though that when you go back and watch the video John was was cordial. He was polite. He was deferential And I want to even say this also. I want to actually how do I say this? I want to apologize to Sam Storms he may never you know that I haven't read the reason to apologize because I was probably a little bit Rough in my assessment of him now. I was right, but I was also a little bit rough He seems like a fine man never met him. I have heard of him before so I Think though that there's a problem, especially if some of the people who are deliverance ministers I forgot to put my quotations mark. Let me do it again my deliverance and then ministers Because I don't think either one of them apply it to those but When you watch it I don't think that they would walk away thinking that yeah Sam helped us out a lot Sam knocked this out of the park as a matter of fact If you had to score this thing if you had to say who won who made their points Well The good doctor did not john Did a good job and let's let's be honest. There's two reasons. There's two reasons two big reasons why john clash Comported himself well, and I think even won the debate Here's here's here's the first reason the first reason is pretty obvious Let me just go ahead and and put the thumbnail back up I want you all to see something to see if I can move my my cursor See if you guys can notice that If you notice in the thumbnail, well, you know what dog on it. You can't even notice in the thumbnail You know what I take away what I was getting ready to say I was going to say the big reason why john won's because john's bald Sam uh could go ahead and join the club, but he's holding on so therefore he loses Sam didn't stand a chance from the beginning. He he didn't have a chance In the beginning the bald guy is going to win But the other issue in all seriousness is that I don't care what kind of scholar you are I don't care how many degrees you've got. I don't care how well thought out your your point is If you don't have scriptural backing. I don't care what you've studied. I don't care how long I don't care how many degrees you've got it doesn't doesn't matter I don't care. I wouldn't care if you were an apostle If you don't have biblical scriptural if you don't have the backing of the word of god You're standing on shaky ground and it's not just me saying that guys This is something that that that's that sam said himself. Let me go ahead and play this as well So you can kind of see this this is him sam is not let me just say this guys Even especially if one of the Quote unquote demon slayers or those that are out there doing this if you want them if you want to use sam To kind of back up your point You might want to think again sam is not convinced of his point and he said so Um, it's saying that I take the affirmative. I think you have to put affirmative in quote marks or italics or something similar Because I don't think that the new testament speaks definitively to this issue Um, I wish there were some texts that were explicit and undeniable And the debate could be settled once for all, but I don't find any That now i'm coming back to him again But if you if it's not explicit if you don't find any texts that kind of help really support your position Well, then why make the position? Here's why let me go to some a passage that I think needs to govern us Especially when we're having these issues Uh, you're going to hear me say this passage over and over and over and over again I've covered this a bunch of times in many of the passages But I just think this one when it relates to this and I really do think that this is going to be probably the One of the biggest battles that people on different sides are we're going to fight this fight That is this issue of christians having to having a demon. This was not as big before This is this is not a this is a fairly new phenomenon and I believe uh, paul Meant what he said I think this is something that we ought to govern ourselves by And I don't care what the doctrine is you constantly see people who do this What is it first crimp in four six being violated? He says I have figuratively applied to myself and apollos for your sakes But here it is so that in us you may learn Not to exceed what is written so that none no one of you will become arrogant and we see that happening Say what the text says don't go Pass what the text says if it says x y z well then fine Don't add another letter or number to it and we've seen this over and over again Do not add more to what the scripture saying don't take away But don't add as well Don't go to thinking Don't go to try to figuring things out Don't do the feminine around here. Let god do it. Let the word speak for itself And so he's already on shaky ground. That's why he says I don't it's hard for him to take the affirmative because There is no affirming passage to what he's saying necessarily preclude the possibility of a christian being demonized Nor those that emphatically assert that that is a possibility and a reality So I'm kind of in a shaky ground there and that that is a possibility and a reality So I'm kind of in a shaky ground there in the sense that i'm not necessarily going to be real energetic and arguing Not gone. I gotta fix my editing skills somebody was in my background in the backyard and I got to go That was doing an editing part thought I added that part out But anyway, let's go back to it. You mean for my position. I do believe that it is possible for christian to be demonized but Who knows I might be persuaded otherwise after our conversation today That's not how you enter into a discussion or debate if you have a belief I would not listen There are certain things I just don't try to go and force and teach on and be because in their stance on christian being demonized and so forth You get you get the feeling that you really really believe this but when you're pressed and I get it I get it. You're being backed into a corner without a weapon And the weapon should be the word of god Because I don't care who you are I wouldn't care if now john is more incapable of handling himself and you're going to find out that That nick from bible deniers asked him a question as well now ryan does as well by the way, if you haven't if you haven't subscribed to Bible deniers, make sure you go ahead and do those do that. Give those guys a A look over don't just give them a look over go and subscribe same thing to john but they all ask questions and It was cordial thank god for that, but It's the you would expect the scholar The one that these guys they read their articles and quote and uses back and you would expect That they would do a lot better and he just he he just does it and so when you walk into the fight You are giving a defense always be ready to give a defense of the hopeless in you. Well, that's what we're doing And so I think that one john did a wonderful job I did not think that sam did a good job except for the way to handle himself But he didn't make his point and again he could not now. Let me just be be clear be fair There is one thing I see john is in in the uh the chastis one thing That john said that I'm going to take an issue with I'm going to take a big issue with not I'm not upset with john uh, I know why he said that because John is cordial john is nice if you ever speak to john john is a nice guy. He's a nice guy. Um But you would expect that again the guy is bald so Being bald comes with a lot, right? There's there's a whole lot on your on your plate when you're bald, right? It's like you're carrying the weight of the world But something that john said that I just I I can't agree with And I hope to change john's point on this. Here it is The way that you approach this is very level headed and it's it's not the popular deliverance approach And I I think that you know, as I said at the beginning, this is a secondary issue I I look at this as like speaking in tongues, you know Uh, I if I had hair I pulled it out. I would have I would have pulled it out Here's why I don't think it's a secondary issue. Now, obviously when we say secondary issue We're talking about as it relates to salvation. Well, everything really is but Uh, let me ask you guys a question Here's a here's a quiz From the beginning of the bible to the end What topic what issue is covered more? There's something that's covered more in the bible from genesis To revelation more than any other specific subject or topic More than what am I looking at? More than heaven This is covered more than hell It's actually even covered more than sin It's covered more than salvation. Now sin and salvation are related They're related, but what is spoken of? What is spoken of more than anything else from genesis to revelation? This is how we know this is absolutely a primary issue Here's why by the way, if it was secondary not necessarily for John or anyone else But for those guys that's make a living and spend their time doing it They would also once they get back into the corner. They said the same thing. It's a secondary issue Here's the reason why they say it Because well, let's not argue about less than well. No, wait a second. You literally make your living off of you You're known by demons and delivers and so forth and if anyone disagrees well, then we're we're off Thank you cg don't go on cg. That's what it is from the beginning to end our walk Go to genesis. What was the issue their walk? What does God get on cain about his walk? I don't care who it is How did he not find faith his walk? Joe his walk our walk with God is of paramount importance Our walk with God or lack thereof is the reason why there's a need for salvation So we can walk with him and live with him forever And so God is constantly showing us how to do it what not to do What to stay away from and the reason why this is not a secondary issue because if demons are in us If demons are causing us to change and move about what have you well that that absolutely is a Primary issue because what you didn't have is a christian who no longer has joy in his salvation There's a christian who no longer is confident in what God has done There's a christian who looked defeated as a christian who on the outside doesn't look like a christian You know the christian with the frown turn upside down the christian that's sad the christian is wonder what's going to happen next Y'all ever watch eor Yeah, or should I say winnie the pooh that eor the what is he the the the the donkey the pentatelle in the donkey And what would he say he's just defeated? Uh, if it doesn't rain He can't find joy in that. Uh, it's just a wonder didn't rain before I wonder what's going to happen next That's him that should not be us Why because who the sun is set free? Here's my version dawg on it has been set free indeed They could have put that in there They john could have put that in there dawg on it who the sun says free dawg on it is free indeed and another dawg on it so That's that's issue now. John is being real nice him. He is being nice him because John I think throws him a bone throws him up here. Let me help you out He says this issue that I I do take an issue with I understand. I see where where sam is going with it But it's dangerous John asked him Because he says, you know the thought about you being kind of pantheistic John literally is trying to help him out To show that he's not pantheistic the problem is though when sam gives his response. It's a pantheistic response He's not he's not pantheistic. He doesn't believe in pantheism. There's a lot more to pantheism than just believing that When when sam says that uh in some sense his spirit inhabits all of us or every and every every one That's one of the basis of Pantheism now there's more to it And that we're all a part of god and so forth and it becomes Depend upon which different branch you want to go into and and energy and flowing through you and and and god is Is working in this micro heat. No, but the very beginning of it is that god's spirit is everywhere and in Everyone and john try to help him out. But his response is pantheistic in the response You know, you say that the holy spirit in a sense inhabits non-believers as well not in the same Uh saving way that he would inhabit a new believer I mean a born-again believer But could you just give clarity on that because I know that there's people who are like sam storms is pantheistic You know, but I read your I read your work on the omnipresence of of god And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure sam doesn't believe in pantheism. So if you could just give some clarity on that um Yeah Again, this is not a hill i'm gonna die on yeah, but if If we think the word omni means what it means all everywhere um I don't know how we could say that the spirit of god is absent that's To say that he's omni or everywhere doesn't mean that he's in everything There's not a location That he's not there, but I'd mean that he he uh inhabits and feels that particular location he's He's in this bottle is in the presence of the spirit But that's not an issue because at the point He is not inside this water this water bottle. He's not inside my cup I sometimes think it is the way I get filled with this with the coffee, but he's not in there And that's a point that's a problem I am literally in the presence of this coffee cup. I'm not in it And so the same couldn't be said it's like you're you're The reason why he makes this point and the reason why it's so different and antithetical to his other positions regarding the holy spirit And so forth is because you have to there's two points you have to make There is two points that when you think about it you have to make in order To have this belief that you could have a demon Inside or outside or what have you and when he covers that point too and I like the way that john responds to it But there's two things that you have to have one you have to have The spirit of god being able to be in the same place as a demonic presence Literally filling up and dwelling the same place You've got to allow for that and then you also have to allow for a person being carried away from their salvation You cannot believe in eternal security And being demonized or having a demon you cannot believe both those those those two things at the same time You can't because in all of their beliefs then this this demonic force can cause you to walk away At least so far that I've that I've heard by the way while I'm saying this let me also say this I think so daniel see people had a demon People had a demon so did tigger by the way guys make sure you go and check out daniel's I did finish watching your your video a very good video on what you did on A particular demon slayer, but let's go back to the conversation From any place or person in his in totality Obviously the spirit does not relate to an unbeliever In terms of salvation sanctification imparting the knowledge of god illumination sealing In you know a filling any of the the terms that apply specifically and exclusively to believers I was just simply saying that I was using that as an example to make the point that I don't think it's valid to say that the spirit of god cannot live or dwell in proximity To a demonic spirit In fact, I want you and really he should have just left it at that to say that a demon can't live in proximity Well, we don't I wouldn't argue with that. Can a demon be in proximity to the spirit? Yes, but he's gonna make he's gonna address this later on And I like the way john answered. I'm gonna answer it with a little bit of my own little twist as well But say it that way. I'll never forget dr. Bolton The late dr. Bolton explained to me he said that And now he's around some of these other Academians These big heads so to speak these these professors these doctors doctors at dallas electrical seminary and so forth which by the way I don't know. I don't know if he if he actually knew sam. They were Probably the same age. Maybe a little bit older Dr. Bolton was on staff there. So they I'm pretty sure they had occasion to run into each other but He said something that makes sense. He says you you'll have a person that has Legitimate sound doctrine And if they spend too much time thinking about the doctrine As to try to I understand you want to make sure and double check and make sure that your belief is true There comes a point in time that what ends up happening is that you end up talking yourself out of sound Doctor remember what paul says in second ten me chapter four He says that I have kept the faith tamed piston which is not I have kept myself believing Or I've kept having faith He said I've kept the faith the noun With the definite article the reason why that's important because he said I've kept the tenets of the faith paul brings us out in romans 9 10 11 was specifically tamed when he's speaking about the gospel or about when faith comes by hearing It's not the verb hearing. It's the noun For hearing a koa, which is the report faith comes by the report the tenets what we believe That's why we oftentimes want to cite what it actually is we believe Spelled out why so we don't depart from that because what's going to happen The bible says at the at the end if we get further People are going to depart from not having faith but from the faith the tenets of the faith What we believe what we believe is of paramount importance Why because then we can have a jesus that looks nothing like the jesus of the bible But I believe in this this crazy looking to form looking jesus and god And believe i'm saved the jesus that I serve Believes that you can be a homosexual or lgb Whatever the jesus that I serve believe that you can do any sort of sin and be okay with it The jesus that I serve looks just like me the jesus I serve is bald with glass The jesus I serve has long hair the jesus I serve has freckles the jesus I serve loves pizza The jesus I serve is is a god like me which is what god says don't do that Don't make a god like yourself and we do that all the time And so it's important that the god that you serve looks like the god that's in the bible And so the tenets of the faith are important amen If I end up abandoning the notion that the spirit of god is in some sense present and unbelievers That doesn't affect my argument at all. My argument is still that We see the spirit of god in the presence of demons All through scripture. I mean satan and jove chapter one is in the very presence of god himself But the point is though that these these demonic spirit spirits or presence god can summon you But what do we see every time? When he comes they want to leave It's it's almost like Anybody ever played a sport or or done something with someone maybe you went maybe you were singing you were around someone who was clearly a professional If I'm around let's say if I walk on the basketball court and I'm playing with an NBA player Uh when I was in high school, we we got a chance to play with some of the NBA players And it's a difference if it is just a difference or playing with football players that are just different It's a different one one person's on a different level than another person's level would have you and what do you want to do? and maybe not maybe not When a demonic spirit is in the presence of god, they don't feel comfortable Especially if we're speaking about the house that a person would be in and so that is that is that's an issue God can force a demon to be in his presence if he wants to beckon them at some point in time We're all going to go before them and be judged and sent one way or to the other So I think it's a it's a it's not it's just not a good argument So now what we want to do is look at what sam or why sam's sam believes us And it's just really shaky. So what is he going to do? He's going to give us his better scriptures and these scriptures don't hold way as a matter of fact often time I think that the bad part about these scriptures is that you don't see a lot of the proponents of Being possessed with a demon demonization and so forth You don't see a lot of them Using some of these points to base it on the greek word demonism. I which we translate into english is demonized But it does refer to the possibility of a demonic spirit in dwelling a born again justified by faith believer No, it doesn't No, it doesn't it absolutely does not because one The word that's used is never applied to a born again believer Again, let me go and y'all tell me am I wrong for making sure that this becomes our go-to text When dealing with this stuff that you that you may learn not to exceed what is written That's what's happening here. You are exceeding what is written because let me play it again He says that the word dynamics of my refers to Uh the indwelling of Of a demon indwelling a born again believer Um, there are to base it on the greek word diamond. It's am I which we translate into english is demonized But it does refer to the possibility of a demonic spirit in dwelling a born again justified by faith believer And notice how he said the possibility No, it doesn't No, it doesn't with all due respect brother sam. No, it does not Um, there are maybe three texts that at least Hint i don't say i'm not going to say they prove but they hint at this possibility One is the story in luke 13 of the woman who has been over double The text says she had a spirit of infirmity And um, jesus cast it out the question of course is whether this woman was a believer She's called the daughter of abraham. She said to glorify god when she was set free So i'm inclined to think that she had some sort of indwelling demonic spirit that had Been the principal cause for her affliction Okay, so let's let's cover these He brings up where she is called a daughter of abraham in luke 13 Let's go to it luke 13 10 and he was teaching in one of the synagogues on sabbath The first one that sticks out is what don't they have first of all he's in the synagogue A lot of them weren't say weren't weren't followers A lot of them didn't become some did but many did not that was the issue that paul had with these jews Not coming to him because his issue wait a second wait a second wait a second Why aren't our jewish brothers and sisters coming to christ at this moment? That was the issue but here to make the leap that she was a sister of rutheran christ No, why because she's called a daughter of abraham well and says and there was a woman who for 18 years Had a sickness caused by a spirit and she was bent double and could not straighten up at all When jesus saw her he called her over and said to her woman You are freed from your sickness now think about this first of all if you are freed If you are freed does that mean that the demon is going to still be there? Well, he pronounces that for us who will also eventually be set free indeed ontos And so that actually means that word ontos means something But i digress and he laid hands on her and immediately she was made erect and again began glorifying God but in the senate god I'm sorry. Did I did I miss over the part where he calls her? um Dog going where is it? Oh, here it is. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Let me drop down where he calls her a daughter of abraham But the lord answered and said to them you hypocrites because they were upset that he healed her Called her called them hypocrites does not each of you on the Sabbath Untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him And this woman a daughter of abraham as she is Whom satan has bound for 18 long years Should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day? So what's he speaking of he clearly is speaking in terms of her being jewish We know that because this term also a son of abraham is also used elsewhere to to uh Deal or to mention Her lineage or his lineage in this case or her legend in this case And so he simply referred to the fact that she is jewish Speaking and related to to the Sabbath and they were bothered by that They were bothered by that That's his whole point and so to make the leak that because uh, she's called daughter of abraham that she was a believer Well, even if she were a believer Even if she were a believer, what did she not have and what's our point? Our point is that a person who has the holy spirit That person cannot be indwelt in any sort of way by A demon and notice he's even at uh admitting that what he's speaking of is a demon being inside So if you want to call it demon possession demon oppression Caught fine call it demon inwardly. Whatever you want to call it is the demon being inside. That's our point And we still don't have an example of a believer with the holy spirit in them And also having a demon occupying that and even his examples, which is why he says I'm kind of on shaky ground here because all of his examples None of them include a person that has the holy spirit in them Um, then of course, there's Ephesians 4 Where paul says don't let the sun go down on your anger and don't give the devil Depending on your translation the esv says an opportunity Uh, I think other translations render it a foothold Uh, it's literally a place the greek word topos is used there. We get our english word topography from it Now that that that's a problem That is a problem. Why because uh, this word for topos Let's go to the passage of matter of fact. Let's go to Ephesians 4 25 He says therefore laying aside all falsely speak truth each one of you with his neighbor For we are members of one another be angry and do not sin Do not let the sun go down in your anger and do not grieve the devil or do not give the devil an opportunity And the word that's used there is the word topon Now the question is is this word topon or topos that we do get the word topography from It can be used and it is used To mention space a location, but it's also mentioned or used To signify a an opportunity I won't cover that because I've covered before I think in the last video that I did with this with this demonization stuff But clearly and by the way, there's a reason why this is used that way and the translator has put it that way It's not saying that the devil has Real estate And so he is because that would be going back to the definition that he doesn't agree with that they have possession up He's not taking possession of this real estate. He's not Because it's not a physical real estate. Anyway, it's to give him an opportunity Do not give the devil or any demons any opportunity to move in your life Now I think all of us would agree That there is because I think the the the notion it gets talked about there often too often is that People like myself or like john or any others would not believe that there is demonic activity. Surely there's a demonic activity We're told about demonic activity. There is a god There is a devil. There are angels. There are demons and they're not just sitting around just watching us. They are active So we're not saying that there is no demonic activity We're talking about how you deal with demonic activity and when demonic activity comes in the face of a believer That happens But this is not saying that you're you're giving an opportunity for the devil to come in and live with you To be incited to be possessed to be oppressed to be demonized Whatever you want to say that it And again, I think he knows that which is why he makes a statement that he's kind of on a little bit shaky ground um And it seems to be suggesting that Unrepentant and persistent sin can at least potentially open the door into a christian's life In which they give a place in themselves for demonic influence Um, and then of course, I think another passage that is You know, I'm sorry. I need I need to I pushed the wrong button I pushed the wrong button But I want to cover this because I think it's I think it's appropriate because it wouldn't be right for me to say I've covered it before so let me go ahead and cover before I mean cover it again to show where um This is used the same word is used it's Romans 12. I think it's nine 12 19 I think uh, let me make sure let me talk about I gotta go. Yeah, there it is. There it is There it is. I just want to make sure I'm using the same greek word So Romans 12 19 says never take your own revenge beloved believe Room for the wrath of god The saint the word for room is the word tapas Not leave real estate leave an opportunity or this case leave room leave place leave an opportunity for God amen So I just want I just want you guys to see that as well as go back to it It's very interesting in terms of the language that the apostle paul uses is first crankings chapter 10 Where he's warning the chrysians to abstain from idolatry Um, obviously they some of them apparently on their way to church to celebrate the lord's table. We're stopping off at temples pagan temples and participating in pagan feasts And um, you know the the language he uses here is very vivid in first crankings 10 16 he says the cup of blessing that we bless is it not a Participation in the blood of christ the greek word behind that is communion or coinonia Um, he goes on he says the bread that we break is it not a participation in the body of christ Um, and then he talks about um those who sit at pagan sacrificial services He says I don't want you to be participants or I don't want you to commune with demons Now i'm giving him the opportunity to kind of make his case, but this is just a weird A weird explanation and I'll be honest. I have never seen anyone come to that conclusion I think that when you are searching for something you'll find it. This is what I said before Much like people who are searching for signs if it's dangerous to be out there pursuing signs And pursuing wonders why because you're gonna find them There might not be actual signs and wonders like the video we showed before the people that are just looking in the sky These are the folks that look for signs and wonders those are angels And it was a concert where the intelligent light was just shining in the clouds and they saw that they thought We're angels dancing because you're looking for it Much like you see a lot of catholics who are looking for mary and there's mary I see mary's face in my suit her face is my oatmeal her face is engraving that tree back there And thousands of folks come from miles and miles around to see mary in my oak tree Not to have oak tree, but still same thing with those where we've changed Where first Corinthians 14 says pursue love We've changed into pursue gifts and what do we see people doing now pursuing spiritual gifts instead of pursuing love and so If you're looking for a clue, you're going to find a clue if you're suspicious There's nothing worse than a suspicious person because a suspicious person is going to interpret everything To be a clue is going to be what you want it to be That's the problem and just like john is seeing demons and spaghettios I I too I too have seen demons and spaghettios which begs the question john What's a grown bald man doing eating spaghettios that's that's for another time. We'll cover that some other time We will we will cast a demon out of you when you When you attend these feasts therefore don't go there So it seems as if he's saying using that same language repeatedly That when we sit at the table of the lord and we partake of the elements of the eucharist We enter into a we experience a deep spiritual communing or fellowship with the lord jesus christ through the spirit And he seems to be suggesting that if you repeatedly Attend these pagan feasts and you open yourself up to demonic influence in much the same way That you can in some sense commune with and participate in demons In the same way or say a similar way to how we participate or commune with the lord jesus christ in the eucharist Yeah, I don't agree with that. Let me uh Queen of source. No, just stay here. You can watch the rest of the later. Stay here. I want I want you live with us but I didn't make any sense. Now. I'll give I'll give a little bit my response, but I'll let I'll let john Step in and give his response. I think his response was was a pretty good response to what Uh, what sam was saying if one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you're disposed to go Eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience But if someone says to you this has been offered in sacrifice Then do not eat it for the sake of the one who informed you and for the sake of conscience I do not mean your conscience, but his so I think if we if we're reading the text in in in context We can see that Paul believed that this had that if paul believed that this had spiritual implications for the one eating the meal He would have stated those concerns instead of his concerns for how it would affect the unbeliever Seeing a believer eat those meals Now I'll let him continue what he did was john john did what every scholar would do john did what every teacher tells a student to do Keep reading Keep reading and let's see what else he says and the thing is as we're reading We'll go ahead and read first Corinthians 10 just a little bit, but the issue is Don't supplant your imagination For what's not in the text in other words And this is what john is saying That's not the conclusion that paul brought up If that was really the issue then why didn't paul say so and it's one of the issues I've been asking them and they'll add they'll answer it kind of in backdoor channels and so forth Because let the guys I know for a fact that they do watch that they Why wouldn't you because if you haven't been able to answer questions, well, let's see what their questions are Let's write let's write their questions down. Let's see if by chance somebody Somewhere can answer these questions. Maybe maybe sam storms can answer these questions Well, they're probably going to scratch sam storms name off the list of doctors that they can go to To prove their point, but let's go to first Corinthians 10 14 And let's just start reading he says therefore my beloved flee from idolatry. I speak as to wise men You judge what I say Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of christ Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of christ Since there is one bread we who are many are one body for we all part take one bread Look at the nation of israel are not those who eat the sacrifice shares in the altar What do I mean then? That a thing sacrifice to idols is anything or that an idol is anything by the way I love it when paul says what do I mean to try to clarify and when you clarify paul, I wish you would have clarified a little bit more that happened sometimes right verse 20 No, but I say that the things which Gentiles sacrifice They eat to demons and not to god and I do not want you to become shares in demons So this point is where he picks up this word for share is the greek word for uh, quite no knows. I'm sorry quite no news Where we get the word cornonea or fellowship? But fellowship doesn't mean an indwelling And I think that's the problem you make the leap. He says I don't want you sharing in demons I don't want you participating where they are You cannot drink of the cup of the lord and of the cup of demons You cannot partake of the table of the lord and the table of demons or or do we provoke the lord to jealousy? We are not straight stronger than he are we and then so he jumps in so this is where he brings up Where john Continues reading let's go to 28 He says but if anyone says to you this is meat sacrifice The idols do not eat it for the sake of the one who informs you and for your conscience sake I mean not your own conscience, but the other man for why is my freedom judged by another's conscience If I partake with thankfulness. Why am I slander concerning? That for which I give and by the way notice what it will notice what comes after this one of our Most important passages as we govern how we lead whether then whether then whether then Atte um so this one is important whether then referring to what we just read Whether you eat or drink whatever you do do it all to the glory of god The point has nothing to do with demons Absolutely nothing what it has to do with is how you look how you present yourself One before the lord but also before the people others are watching So whatever you do do it all to the glory of god Look what he says give no offense either to jews or to greeks or to the church of god Just as I also please all men in all things not seeking my own prophet But the prophet of many why so that the many will be saved. Amen. So Uh, let's let me go ahead and play some more of john's response. Um, and then I would also think that when All right, so if somebody goes and participates in a pagan ritual, right? And not a pagan ritual, but you know eating food sacrifice to demons And then because of that they are running the risk of possibly getting indwelling demon I think it kind of goes back to like making this a level playing field To suggest the spiritual implications of eating food sacrifice to idols even comes close to matching the spiritual power Associated with taking communion. I would say that that's like dualistic at best Uh, and if if the implications are that these two acts are essentially the same thing spiritually I would suggest that since a christian can potentially be indwelled by a demon from eating food sacrifice to demons Then wouldn't maybe a possibility of this outcome be if a believer if an unbeliever eats The lord supper they could possibly be indwelled by the holy spirit. I'm just seeing it And so what john is doing john is being facetious Well, wait a second if if if I eat this food that sacrifice to idols And I can potentially be demonized because of that And the point is I got the holy spirit in me. I've got a greater power in me But then the demons can come in. Well, then why can't it work the other way around? Now he's he's he's being facetious And so because the point is if that works and why can't that work now neither work But john's just trying to draw that point out for him By the way, john don't go in if you got a bald head stop wearing a hat Stop wearing a hat you're bald for a reason. Be proud of it. Share it. Amen Amen, like how it No, yeah, I think you misunderstood my point. I am not suggesting at all that these are equivalent I'm simply saying that when paul says I do not want you to be communing with demons The fact is they were stopping off at pagan temples and eating meat sacrifice to idols and in some sense participating It would seem by implication in the worship of the demonic by doing so And I'm simply saying that When he says I don't want you to be communing with demons He's just previously said rather you commune with christ through the elements of the lord's table It's just simply saying that it's a it's a similar experience an exposure to the influence and power of one as over against the other But the problem is we literally have a defense for the exposure now truth Truth is We're all going to come in contact some sort of exposure with demons that we don't necessarily know it Someone asked me if we had spiritual eyes to see all the demons out there We would be frightened. Yeah, but at the same time if we probably wouldn't matter of fact We did because they maybe they look beautiful Could you imagine that god created all these? Vile looking creatures. Maybe maybe they look beautiful. I don't know Maybe they look just like the the unfalling angels But if you had spiritual eyes to see all the demonic activity around you, which by the way, you don't need spiritual eyes to see Just look at the people around you But if you had spiritual eyes to see them you would still have spiritual eyes to see the angels And so therefore i'm comforted the problem that I have with this whole issue Is that we focus on what the potential danger is versus what we should be focusing on? And that is what we know our security is in we literally have angels that are as the bible says they are ministering spirits for who for us that believe So if you are a believer you literally have Some of the most powerful beings On working on your behalf that are also led by the most powerful being ever that being god So why would you then focus on them? It's like you are a it's like you're a six foot eight fifth grader playing basketball against a bunch of three foot seven Kids, what are you worried about? What are you worried about? That's the problem. How in the world are you worried about that when you can be focused on him? If I sit outside Just sitting there doing nothing mind you And a fly shows up that fly is annoying But if i'm actually moving doing some maybe some yard work, maybe i'm out there working out Maybe i'm running walking somewhere Flies don't bother you when you're moving You don't if they do you don't notice them because your focus is different the same here Why do we focus on the wrong thing? Let me just kind of get a little bit political a little socially political Same thing with my darker persuasion people in america We're we're being sold the same bill of goods one spiritually, but then also over here Socially that we are told that the one thing that we're supposed to focus on are all the negative things that's ever happened to us as black folks in america Why our our history our life our walk is not about slavery medgar ever riots and george floyd what Who whose life are you talking about? No, I think there's a whole lot more Positive that we have in our history same thing with believers We've got so much better things to talk about and to focus on that really Shapeless and guide us and move us. Why do you spend so much time? Worrying about demons As though you are so fearful Stop being a defeated christian now nick asked a question. I'm sorry ryan. I didn't really add I didn't I didn't really get Your question didn't make the cut. I apologize Except to say y'all make sure you subscribe to these guys But listen to nick's question and then listen to sam's response It sounds to me sam That you you argue from a place that scripture doesn't explicitly say that this is not a possibility And you say therefore it is a possibility So what are the proof texts that you use to to cement your claim? Because all the ones that john are saying you're saying well scripture doesn't say that my belief is a possibility So which ones do you use to say i'm applying that hermeneutics to his passages instead? Well the text that i've already cited i think luke 13 first grantian stan aphesians four um first peter five Now before we continue, let's go to first peter five because he speaks about being about being devoured I want you to notice something In first peter five notice what he says and we don't cover all of this all the time and and i'm to blame too I don't always cover the totality if i'm going to do it right now As a matter of fact i actually even cut a video i'm not even sure if i if it's edited I don't know if it's edited or not But a video really covering this covering suffering and i want you to focus on i want you to notice Who peter's talking to and what his point is his point is He says first of all be sober be a sober spirit Be on alert be on alert your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion Lion seeking someone to devour a couple things He's our adversary which if he's our adversary. What does that say about us? We are on different teams and so his whole job is to he's seeking whom he may devour But i want you to notice what he's speaking of But resist him. I don't know why folks don't they just miss that point resist him Same thing with james says resist him. He'll do what he'll flee You don't believe so well You don't believe the bible because the bible says he will flee draw close to him Don't go over and fight him. This is what let me just say this while while we're here Whatever it is you're going through Don't go fight it go to him. Who's the him? Go to god Our issue whether you are a believer or unbeliever. It's the same issue proximity The closer you are to him the further you are away from your issues your sin, whatever it is Who can fight the fight better than you told you guys a story about a little boy Who would go to school and would get picked on beat up by a bigger guy a bully Who would just punch him and beat him and say give me your lunch money find the boy understood that when I see this bully He asked for my lunch money. I'm going to give it to him He was just afraid of the bully And so just like other kids he had friends he would say well, what should I do and they would say to him Well, why don't you do this? Why don't you go? Why don't you tell him tell the teacher? He tells the teacher the boy gets the boy gets in school suspension That didn't work because soon as he got out of school. He found the boy beat him up and took his money The kid said well Go a different route just avoid him. Well, that didn't work because he found he found the boy hiding out Beat him and took his lunch money Finally one day the boy didn't know what to do and he finally told who he told his father Told his father and his father said just go to school. Do not worry about the bully on his way He's doing just what his father said. Oh, by the way, his father said to tell him you're not giving him anything You're not giving him any opportunity to borrow what we were talking about. You're not getting anything So the the bully shows up The boy says I I'm not giving you anything. My father said I don't have to give you anything and I won't give you anything And the bully says oh, yeah with his fist balled up. The boy says yeah And then the bully takes off running Well, why did the bully take off running because he told his father and right where the bully was clenching his fist balling them up The father steps out behind him. The boy doesn't see it But the bully sees them and the bully leaves the bully never bothers him again. Why don't you do the same thing? How about you invoke your father in this if you're going to fight a fight a spiritual fight Why don't you fight fair or I should say unfair they have no they have no chance Now you might have a you might think you have a shot for the moment to go out and fight a spiritual warfare Without your without any sort of spiritual protection. I wouldn't do it. And so your focus ought to be your father Why would it not be what kind of a christian? Are you to not focus on your father to walk with him? Even if sometimes you walk a little faster you move away from him and you get knocked over Shouldn't you have enough sense to look back? Hey father Hey god, I'm in help and I need help. I'm in trouble Same thing rather. What are we told to do focus on the demons? Let's go. Let's go fight that. Okay fine foolish person that you are that would want to fight the demons not mean I don't have to worry about casting a demon out in jesus name. I just have to go ahead and be close to jesus That's the goal. It's not listen guys. It's not rocket science. Remember god doesn't think that you're that smart You're not that smart. You're not that brilliant. You're not that Norma And so he takes the guessing game out of it. Let me let me do the fitting around here Let me do the figuring out not you and that's the problem. Let's get back to uh next questioning and sam's I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I gotta finish this point though in in first peter five But resist him firm in your faith knowing that the same experiences of sufferings are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world So everyone else is going through it. You are going to go through some suffering He says after you have suffered for a little while Even though it didn't feel like it's been a little while Notice what he says the god of all grace who called you to his eternal glory in christ Will himself perfect confirm Strengthen and establish you to him be dominion forever and ever amen. Now. I want you to notice something here The word for perfect is not the greek word teleos which is to complete It's not that word where paul says in philippians that um I am confidence that he who began a good work will complete it It's not that word because this isn't talking about salvation It's talking about you and your walk in christ And the devil isn't he's not paul peter's not saying the devil's gonna take you away from that What he is going to do is try to cause some wounds cause some suffering Will he will there be some time where you get tackled you it's gonna happen You're gonna fumble the ball sometime you're gonna get hit beat up, but that's okay He is going to what he's saying right here. He's going to perfect you this word is used here Is two words kata and arty this word arty is now at the present moment arty So he is going to do something while while it's still now so to speak I'm kind of messing this up so I can get you to understand what he's saying I'm going to mend you perfect you in the now Confirm strengthen you while you're here. This is not something that you have to wait till eternity to be established No, notice how he's saying this and so peter is in no way saying that the demon is going to be in you because he focuses on this word devour the word devour That seems means just just to gobble up to drink. Well, that's not the devil in dwelling you That's so you're making a leap. Why because you are too focused on the power of the demon and not the power of god And again, I'm not saying that those texts explicitly prove That he's talking about an indwelling demonic spirit. I'm saying that they Are at least open to the potential that that's what they could mean Um, that's a problem. That is a problem. I'm not saying they mean that per se specifically I don't you ever met a guy like that. That's not really what I'm saying. I'm I don't really know kind of how to Well, then why are you saying it? His opening statement was his losing statement because that's how exactly how he opened up in this discussion If this was a debate a perform debate, well, you lost Why the biblical authors didn't go any further and and rule out every other possibility I can't answer that question. I mean, that's if if if we applied that principle, then we would all agree on the same Eschatological views, you know, I think the bible clearly teaches all millennialism Um, so we say well, if that's true, why wouldn't he have given an explicit text that disproves pre millennialism? Okay, first of all me personally, I think he did but that's another issue But here's the issue when we're arguing about all millennialism pre millennialism post millennialism post millennialism Do you know we're all using We're all using scriptures That give a little bit more validity at least at their point even post millennial and oblin. I I won't go there. I'll leave that alone. I'll leave them alone but We're arguing over text You are not You're reading into it even by your own admittance. We're just arguing over text So I do think that the numerous texts that tell us to be on the alert that satan frowls about like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour that You know the the experience of even peter when he was you know Given obviously yielded to the temptation to prevent jesus from going to the cross And so severe that jesus had get thee behind me satan All right, another one This issue about when he's speaking to peter get behind me satan didn't even pull it up. I didn't I thought I did but I didn't Uh, when he's speaking to peter a couple things one as he as he's speaking to peter This is one of the few times where he says satan and it's it's anarthorist meaning that it doesn't have the definite article When when you call satan satan in the bible and you're referring to satan you're calling you call him You don't see it in the in the greek of the english. You just see satan But he's called the satan The that means something so peter's saying get behind me. He's saying get behind me not the satan, but satan Without a definite article and the reason why that's important because you think about this Here is one of god's chosen foundational apostles or disciples Who he doesn't bother to cast a demon out of if he really has a demon and so It's it's a different and john does bring this up. I think we're gonna cover this but john does john does um talk about how the the wording is different when for example when uh satan the devil entered Judas Or when someone else has a demon the bible is explicit About people that we know for a fact how many times I said this before just how we can count it How many times does the bible mention different episodes of someone having a demon just ten Now did jesus cast out more than 10 demons or 10 episodes? I'm pretty sure he did I'm pretty sure he did But the bible doesn't mention all of those why not? well Because in the end it's not that important I'm gonna cover later on but I still want to put this in you guys's head. Why didn't the bible speak about we talk about how Come the bible doesn't speak about Demons being cast out of people after acts 19 But then why didn't the bible also speak about people having demons and needing to be cast out or having them cast out of them prior to matthew We don't see we don't see it in the old testament and only in one portion of a book The first 19 chapters of acts Actually not even the first 19. I'm sorry. I'm sorry the first portion of the gospels up to acts So so even the majority of the new testament doesn't have that So put that question in your head. Why does it why doesn't the bible if they're so important And if it's that important, why don't why doesn't the bible covered? It's almost like the bible's like I don't want you to know that secret I don't I I don't want you to know so therefore I'm gonna I'm gonna divulge this to a few people the secrets to Demonize people that way they can go and write a book that you can buy and you can learn to be set free Or if you just keep coming to these conferences Um an anise and sapphire would be another example So I think cumulatively these texts leave open the possibility They don't Excuse me Anise and sapphire Excuse me guys. I'm sorry I want you to notice who's spoken of an in acts five In acts four Let's see 432 look what it says and the congregation of those who believe so who's believed by the way, this is a excuse me A heiress active participle so those who were believing so all of those that were believing And we know what's all of those is and the congregation of those who were believing Were of one heart and soul and not one of them Not one of them claimed that anything belonged to him was his own but all were common property So all of these believers had everything together not one of them claimed anything that was not his own Then if we drop down to chapter five verse one but But a man named ananias, you know what ananias is not he's not part of the all And not one who kept something back for himself ananias was not a believer At least according to the text as far as I can tell because he just described who the believers are and what they were doing But ananias comes now just because ananias called himself a believer. So what? So what we've got progressive christian who called themselves believers They're not christian There's a reason for the text Amen Yeah, smooth artist I'm going to actually put a link to the debate in the description as soon as this is over with so I will put that link in just a second or just simply go to bible dingers The youtube channel and watch the holy they have a lot of bunch of other great debates as well too So let's go ahead and finish that someone who's born again can be demonized like I said I don't automatically assume that that's the case with anybody i'm talking to who's struggling in their life But after ruling out every other possibility as best we can then we can't do it perfectly I would leave open the possibility that a demonic spirit is to some extent Influencing that individual in that way now. I believe that demonic activity can influence an individual Especially a non-believer especially I don't I never rule that out, but even with a believer I said I asked a question before Can a christian have a demon? What's the answer guys can a christian have a demon? Yes outside a christian can have a demon in his neighbor A christian can have a demon And with his co-workers a christian can certainly have a demon driving beside him on the highway And he's going this demon is driving 85 miles an hour going from the far right lane to the left lane But he cannot have one in him And so yeah, we know that there's demonic activity just not in us But do they still come after us? Well, sure. We know demons have not given up the fight They understand listen one thing you can say about a demon. He's tenacious. Why can't we be? So I don't think we have to go looking for a fight I don't think all the histrionics and all the the loud hysterical shouting and Rebuking of the enemy, although I think we can rebuke satan. I think jesus did I think we have the same authority Well, number one, we don't have the same authority. We never we never see anyone We never see anyone in the bible rebuking The devil except jesus That's it. This is just the lord. That's it even even even other Angels don't do don't do so. So but what he's speaking of is he's speaking about what's happened with some of the This is where some of the demon slayers and so forth They're no they're no they're no longer friends with sam. He's not on their christmas list because he kind of calls him out um So those are the kinds of things that I have in mind I don't I don't mind mentioning names I don't know if you know who bob larson is He's kind of a more my generation than yours, but His approach to deliverance ministry, you know, sometimes, you know Pressing the crucifix up against somebody's forehead exceptionally hard These are the kinds of things that I can bring this disgrace and this reproach on the name of christ I like that he said that because I I would like to think That if me and sam matter of fact if me sam And john matter of fact if me sam and john and nick and ryan All went to a mass deliverance conference. I think we would all sit there and look like this I think I think they would be right there right beside me with their arms folded looking just like what what in the world Is going on because that's really what what sam is talking about right now And I would be opposed to them very strongly Um in the in the times of deliberate sessions that I've been involved with people It is typically, um Just very straightforward It's usually calm until such time as the demons realize they're subject to the authority of the name of christ And they have to go whether they're coming out of the person Let me say before you to this point someone asked question uh rishan asked questions Is there a difference between exorcism and deliverance? Uh, the deliverance they're talking about is the same as exorcism Um, the deliverance that we're talking about is christ now I I use this example before because it's just a clear vivid example Where a person who said he had a demon And I don't have a reason to to believe otherwise why I told you guys this story before I'll say it again for those who haven't heard it This guy is literally Picking his eyebrows out not like a woman. I mean he's pulling out But also he's pulling his flesh out taking his fingers and just Pulling skin out and you'll see what it got gross one time where he pulled it And you can just see uh just a layer of skin just being pulled off like a band aid and he's just pulling off Um blood is showing so forth All even to the point where you can kind of see the the the little white part the white meat would have you It's the brother so you could you could definitely see it bleeding and so forth And so like what in the world is going on with this guy He said well, I've got demons in me and I've got to let him out. I got to get him out Whoa So what did I do? Brother, let me ask you a question. I don't mean brother in the sense that hey, he's a brother in christ But brother, you know brother, you know like like leroy brother, you know, hey guys run the corner brother Brother, would you like to be healed? Would you like to be set free more to the point? My brother, would you like some peace? He said yes, you'd like to read these demons fine All you have to do is place your faith in christ if you believe they're demons Do you believe there's also an angel? I believe so What if you believe they're angels? Do you also believe that there is a god who created them? Yes, I do. Do you know he has a plan for your life? If you want to walk in that Yes, I do all you got to do is believe that he died on the cross for you Jesus died on the cross and shed blood for you and the bible says that if you place your faith in him You will be set free free indeed Do you want to uh be set free? Yes, do you believe that yes? I do He said that's all it takes. I said that's all it takes He didn't repeat words after me. We just prayed the next A few days later He's in church And he keeps coming to church. You know what stopped all of this That's what stopped you can see his he is his his skin Starting to heal took a few days and you can see the scabs and so forth. That's all it is Tell me our god won't defeat them and do so quickly But if you give a fault to diagnosis and give them the wrong cure, it ain't gonna work That's why you got to keep coming back and keep coming back and keep coming back Again, he makes it simple guys get closer to him Proximity is the issue. That's why god all of the bible is about him getting us closer to him Look what happened in the garden. They get kicked out But I want you to be close to because why in genesis five as a course of time came They found themselves bringing an offering to god. Why because god wants them to be reconciled to them That's the point guys demon slayers get that through your ignorant And I don't mean to be harsh, but I do your ignorant thick head. It's not about you laying your hands on someone It's about the power and presence of god in a person's life Greater is he my lord. That's why it's written greater is he that's in you if he's in you then he this in the world Don't you believe that of course you don't because if you did you would be teaching that It's really that simple Or simply being Uh the influence is being broken from outside, which by the way it raises an interesting question And I'm kind of just riffing here Does it really matter that much in terms of how we approach prayer and ministry? That a demon is tormenting me from inside my head or from sitting on my shoulder Does the physical yeah Yes, sam it does it matters if the demon is in you or out of you It really does mentally rewind a little bit and then because jana also makes a point as well Location of a demonic spirit make does it really matter that much in terms of how we approach prayer and ministry? That a demon is Tormenting me from inside my head or from sitting on my shoulder Does the physical location of a demonic spirit make that much difference? I don't believe that it does I would pretty much use much the same language and the same biblical text To deal with somebody who's simply being harassed from outside as I would as somebody who's being tormented from within I would so I would push back on that just a little bit and say that if I would much rather demon out than than in it says has sam seen any Okay now, let me just say this and I try to think of different examples I would much rather the chlorox bleach is outside of me than in me I would rather if there's cancer or if there's I'd rather be outside of me than in me I would rather anything that can hurt hurt me or my family be outside of my house than inside Where would you rather have the perpetrator? Where would you rather have the potential criminal the uh the axe murderer? Insider I don't I can't I couldn't believe you said that It it it absolutely does matter it How do we know because in john First try to be exact. He says greater is he that is in In you Then he that's in the world which is outside. I don't I could not believe he said that. Yes, it does matter There's it it matters all which is why he speaks about what is the temple of the holy spirit? This what is not the temple of the holy spirit. I mean the temple of demons this Yeah, it does matter or or I tell you what I tell you what if it doesn't matter I've got a busload of immigrants that just got here that would like to come stay in your house I'm pretty sure I know what what your response would be Liverance sessions from sal saldavar pagani or crick would he build would he be willing to watch does he know That they reference him a lot Well, I know who saldavar and pagani are I don't know who crick is Is that a woman or is that a man? It's a woman. That's a woman. I've heard of her name Would I be willing to watch sure I'd be willing to watch? No, I did not know they referenced me. I hope they're doing it accurately and not misquoting me to justify Some of the hysterics that are often involved in in their kind there Yeah, he he wouldn't want if he's not watching them if he started watching him. He would see yeah, this isn't Yeah, sam, this is why I was sitting like this that that was the whole reason that was going on when those two guys But got inside of our work on stage and that that's me. So hopefully that would be you their approach to ministry They use your articles uh that that I used in preparation for this debate But they use them as uh, you know just combating the pushback that they get for their ministry Well, I don't mind them using my writings and my ministry To bolster their belief that a christian can be demonized I would mind it that that it doesn't I don't believe that what I've said justifies some of the histrionics and sensational manipulation that occurs through some of them not accusing any of them of that but Sadly, I think that from what I've seen it does happen And I wouldn't want to be used as an excuse or justification for that and that's what they do because One they're not as learned. I don't mean in terms of degrees and so forth in terms of studying and going through the scriptures They're not adept at work working through which is why they don't want to have the conversation And so what do they do? They will rely on a scholar so to speak To give them their point That's why you'll see them reading articles from sam storm or doctor whoever Because they need some sort of backing seat this doctor that person says this And it's just not right But again the bigger issue and this is why I say this was a this was a huge Colossal loss. I know everyone's not not not not talking about it like that But I am I would like for everyone. I'm gonna make sure that I go ahead and put the link in the description to this To the debate discussion on bible dingers But there's a reason why I think this is huge because this is one of the scholars that they point to Do not think that these guys on their own Understood the word diamond eczema. They did not they didn't come with that They went to an article because he titled can christians have a demon And they read it and they oh, okay. That's what it means But the word literally means what we've been saying also possession Being inside Having a demon however you want to however you want to couch it the answer is still no a christian can't have That the bible is describing the christian can't have that and if your answer From such as dr. Storm is that the scripture don't specifically say that explicitly say that that I would even since I wouldn't die on that hill And he's willing to beat you It was just really not John, let me ask you. Did you did you get the conclusion? Did you get the feeling that he wasn't really as secure and sold on this? Uh me listening to it. I list a couple times He just did not seem sold on that idea and if you're not sold if you're not gonna You should be convinced as paul would say every letter you should be convinced about this position that you're on You should certainly especially something that is so Uh important to our walk I just did I I didn't if you guys come away with it that he did I'd be willing to hear you I'd be willing to hear you tell me how you use. Yeah, he was he was sure of it. No, he wasn't He just he just was not. Yeah, he was not Um, he wasn't sold on it. Which is why why would you if you're not sold on it? Well, then why Why make the argument why you know what? I'm not sure possibly But I'm certainly not gonna go to defense on it. I'm not gonna write any articles over it I'm not gonna talk about it until I am definitely sure I get that I get we're not totally sold on everything I'm still trying to figure this out Uh, is it is it are who are the nephilim? Who? What about the what about uh, uh the rapture? I kind of see the kind of see that okay fine Oh, but if you're going to be dogmatic And and take a firm defense or stands on it, but then when you're pressed on it, I'm not I'm not gonna I What did what did he say, uh the affirmative because I why because I can't affirm it with any text. That's a problem That's a problem. And so guys Again, let me in with this text again. We should let me highlight this we should Uh, come on, Cory. There it is Learn not to exceed what is written We should learn not to exceed what is written. So if it says it in the text fine, if it doesn't Don't go and preach that don't make that a part of your doctor. We should teach what comports with sound doctor Always. Amen