 So we were wondering what brought you to the Science Literacy Leadership Institute? Honestly, all the years you kept saying, you really need to sign up for this. Actually, I really, really thought about it many, many times. But the time constraint for the summer one just didn't fit in my schedule. So when the science one came up during the year, I jumped on it. So it was that reason. I've always talked to Karen about my writing as a teacher. Kind of like one of my weaknesses. But science is definitely a strength. So I figured the combination couldn't be better. I would agree with Karen always talking about joining the Western Arts Writing Project. And I just thought it was great. I already was doing some writing in science, but just to find other things to do. In science, it was beneficial.