 Hey everyone, Matthew LaCroix here. I'm joined by Billy Carson for an epic mastermind discussion and presentation, Lost Civilizations, Human Origins, and Forbidden Knowledge. So today we're gonna be doing something special where Billy and I are gonna be dual reading the Enuma Elish and the Emerald Tablets so we can understand these secrets of the past. Billy, what have you been up to and how are you, my friend? First of all, thanks for having me back on. It's been a long time since we've done this and I'm really excited about it. I was really looking forward to it and I'm glad everything worked out with the weather so that we can make this connection. Since we last did a video, I've been all over the world. I've probably been around the world twice now in the last two years. It's just been amazing. I mean, everywhere from Cambodia, Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, you know, I've been to Akrotidri in Greece to go to an ancient dig site. You know, I've been, I've just been about every Peru, the Nazca lines, Machu Picchu, the Sacred Valley, Aliens of Tumbo, Saxiwama. I mean, you can actually just keep going on and on. I've been to a lot of places and what's happened is I've really, you know, dug into the field research kind of firsthand and went and talked to a lot of homegrown archeologists, a lot of homegrown researchers that have grown up in the area so that I can get a little bit of information about what's really gone on in the ancient past and what they think happened and it always comes to the same thing. A lot of people are always saying the people that lived there, grew up there, know the traditions, always say the same thing that these weren't built by us, they were built by the guards and it's really amazing. I mean, you know, so it's just been an amazing journey, man. And I'm so happy to be able to even, you know, get right the book, put the book out, it's doing phenomenal. Your book is phenomenal right here, the stage of time. I really appreciate this book, man. I just started digging into it and it's so amazing how similar, you know, points of view are in everything, in reference to the ancient past and ancient history and the amount of, I respect you for the amount of research that you've done to people don't realize what it takes to be able to put this kind of information out in this level of quality. You really have to be a student of the mysteries and a student of the ancient history. So I appreciate it, man, thank you. So that's really good. Hey, Billy, it's an honor. I really, it's amazing to hear those kind words from you, especially coming from someone of your importance. You know, I'm, it really is an honor. I have not had a chance to travel quite as much as Billy. I'm, to say I'm jealous is an understatement I think. But hopefully someday I can get there. Okay, Billy and I are gonna jump in now into some slides and we're gonna review some evidence in chronological order. And we're gonna start by trying to understand where human civilizations came from. You know, a lot of times I meet people who they're sitting down, they're pondering outside and they're wondering, you know, where do we come from? Where do human civilizations come from? Where does knowledge, mathematics, laws, where do all, where does all that stuff come from? And they honestly like asking that question because they don't know. And of course, if you go and you go through the, the education system we have in school, you're taught that human civilization is 6,000 years old or less and that everything developed in Mesopotamia, which is true except for the ages wrong and where it came from is wrong. And what I mean by wrong, I know that's a pretty blunt statement but we have evidence that tells us where it came from. So we don't have to guess anymore. So many people aren't aware of this information. I think that's one of the things that we're trying to correct now and Billy and I doing this work is that we're trying to point out and say, hey look, we have evidence that directly tells us where all these things came from, tells us who we really are, tells us this lost history and we're now at the point where we're trying to put those pieces together to understand it. And so what I'm showing on the screen right now, this is what is known as Eridu. Now, if you wanted to try to find out, if you ask yourself, well, what is the evidence that tells us where any of this stuff came from? What is, where is it and where does it come from? Cause I don't, I don't really believe this stuff. Some of this information seems way too far fetched. You know, it really goes against this doctrine we're told. So provide us some concrete evidence. Well, that evidence comes from four places and Billy can chime in as we're going here and we discussed it. And I've categorized four cuneiform tablets that provide concrete evidence for all of those questions that I just asked. And those four tablets are the Eridu Genesis, the Sumerian King List, the Code of Hammurabi and the Legend of Atanya. In each of those cuneiform tablets, it specifically describes where all of those moral laws and codes and mathematics and astronomy, it tells where all that stuff came from. And on top of that, the Sumerians clearly state that in many other places as well, including cylinder seals where they show them, okay? And so I want to just provide you a quick little quote and I'm, Billy is going to be very familiar with this that that is the opening line of the Sumerian King List. And what it says is when kingship was lowered from heaven, kingship was an Eridu. Right, Billy? Absolutely. And that's huge because that gives us an idea of where the very first city was here on earth and where they were these kings or these gods, quote, unquote, kind of kickstarted civilization here. I really think it was like a breakaway civilization from their planet to here. And that's one of these great mysteries that still remains is, you know, where if all this knowledge was handed down and given, first the first question of course is where did it come from? And who provided it, right? And those questions then lead to asking even more questions that go deeper and deeper down this rabbit hole, trying to figure out where the origins of everything come from. Now I wanted to point out something is that some people have looked at the Sumerian King List and they've said, okay, that stuff sounds like a fairy tale, it just can't be real. Well, the way that you can know that something like the Sumerian King List is authentic is to then compare the information that's discussed in it with another cuneiform tablet. And I want to mention that, and I mentioned this before in other shows, some of these tablets came from completely different locations, sometimes hundreds of miles away. So to have information be carried over shows you that number one, that information is probably true. And number two, it's most likely come from a civilization that was connected. And so where that comes from that we can find that same information is the Eridu Genesis. And that is one of these cuneiform tablets that I think is largely unknown and is discussed very little. And I have the full translations from including the Eridu Genesis in the stage of time because that's how important this is in my opinion. So what the Eridu Genesis states, I'm just gonna read the first two paragraphs because again, I want you to notice those terms. The terms I want you to look for are when you read the Sumerian King List it mentions these certain cities in chronological order that were founded. It says Eridu was the first city on earth. Then it says that Bad Tabira was the second city followed by the Rock, Separ and then finally Sherupak. Now what's important to understand about that is that Sherupak is mentioned in these tablets as being the last city in Mesopotamia before it was all destroyed and everything had to start over again, okay? So what the Eridu Genesis says is it starts by saying when the royal scepter was coming down from heaven, the August crown and the royal throne being already down from heaven, the king regularly performed to perfection the August divine services and offices and laid the bricks of those cities in pure spots. The first sling of the cities, Eridu, she gave to the leader, Nudamud. The second, Bad Tabira, she gave to the prince and the sacred one. The third, Lorac, she gave to Palasag. The fourth, Separ, she gave to the gallant Utu. The fifth, Sherupak, she gave to Ansud. And so not only does it, it's not like it mentions one of those cities or another one of those cities, every single one is exactly mentioned in the order of the Sumerian kingless sets. Now, and I want Billy to chime in after this, what's important about that is if you add up the dates given for what they call Shahs, when they listed out the reigns of these kings that ruled these cities, you get a history that would go back 200,000 years ago. And I know that would throw a wrench in everything we've ever been taught, especially when you look at how we're told in school that human civilization is less than 6,000 years old. So basically, Billy, this paints an entirely different picture about our past, doesn't it? This is incredible because it shatters our religious systems literally in one second. And this is why this information is not taught in schools because obviously the religious systems are a multi-trillion dollar industry and they can't have people just going into this ancient information and learning it and bypassing that system. But this is really earth-shedding information, the fact that you can discover this information on two different stone tablets. And one thing I really wanna point out, not the fact that they're so far apart, but the fact that somebody took the time to etch these into clay with a cuneiform stylus. I don't know if anybody's ever watched it being done, but I have, there's a professor at the Cambridge Library and he does these and he has a YouTube channel where he shows you how to do it. And let me tell you something, at the British Museum, there's also Mr. Finkel who does it as well, does an excellent job showing how to do the cuneiform. He writes some cuneiform into some wet clay. It's such a tedious process. So you're thinking tens of thousands of years ago, somebody's gotta sit down, get the clay out, get a stylus out and take so many hours upon hours to create this information and then bake it and so forth so it can stand, withstand the test time. They didn't have time to do this for fun. This wasn't just like, I'm gonna sit down and make a whole cuneiform tablet today just for the heck of it and make up some information. They really put down important information into these tablets. Things they thought would be prudent for future generations to see. Exactly. And it's not even just that, they wanted these specific stories to be known because, oh, this was just an event that occurred. They were so smart that these stories that they created were written in such a way that it's like this perfect harmonic rhythm to them. And at the same time, while they describe both actual events that occurred in the past and this important symbolism and all these metaphors and these lessons that we can learn along the way, but they provide in a complete glimpse in this lost viewpoint into where human origins came from and where it all began in the very first place. I mean, try to imagine over 50,000 years ago. Just try to imagine. I mean, think of everything that human civilization has accomplished in the last 500 years. Now try to imagine more than 50,000 years ago. These civilizations that are all being handed this information and they're rising up and agriculture is blossoming all around the planet. And you're seeing this emergence of human civilization that's spreading out around the planet. And then what happens? Well, it reaches a certain sophistication and then it's wiped out and destroyed. And then human civilization has to rebuild itself again. Now, when I mentioned those four tablets that I said are crucial, I didn't read anything from the last two that I mentioned, but I wanna bring it up. How do you know that these events occurred? Like how do we know these, what I just mentioned Eridu and Sherupak, how do we know those cities were from that far ago, right? How do we know how old they are? How do we know how to accurately create this timeline? You basically have to look at evidence from a large spectrum of our area to understand. And the first thing you wanna look at is you compare things like geologic evidence you get from around the world. Looking at, oh my God, the landscape was disasterly scarred by these events that occurred last ice age. And then you look at things like ice core samples and you can pinpoint when these different climatic zones occurred and then you can take these ancient cuneiform stories and then match them up based on the events they describe and how old they say they are. So when the Sumerian king list and the Eridu genesis talk about these ancient cities, people that are then gonna say, well, how do we distinguish what's before and what's after? Here's where really paying attention to this stuff comes in important. When you look at something like the legend of Atanya and here is yet again another one of these incredibly important tablets that I hear almost nobody talk about, okay? And that is remarkable because the legend of Atanya is the only tablet that talks about the events that occurred right after the flood. It specifically mentions that there was a city in Mesopotamia that was then created, the first one of all. So you could call Eridu the first city in human civilization ever according to these records. Then the first city after everything was destroyed was called Kish. And Kish is what was known as these post-Diluvian civilizations, okay? And that means that everything we know of when we think of all these things re-handed down and then civilization restarting in Mesopotamia like we're told in school, that's all part of this post-Diluvian history. This is all part of this new epic that occurred with this restarting of human civilization over again. And that's why these time periods are so confused. Wouldn't you say, Billing? Yep, absolutely. I mean, it's so, it gets a little convoluted so you really gotta pay attention. And I'm glad you brought up the ice cores. You know, there's a show by Greg Brayden, the famous Greg Brayden. Great guy, had the pleasure of meeting him and being in some episodes with him on a few shows. He's on a show called Missing Links, it's on Gaia. But he talks about this, that entire first episode on season one is all about the ice core samples. Digging into the ice cores, matching it up like you just said, to ancient history and events, global events that have happened and you get the record stored in the ice core. You can detect when we've had global warming in the past and then you begin to see this cycle that it happens every so many thousands of years. You begin to see the cycle of every so many thousands of years you get an ice age. You begin to see the cycle of every so many thousands of years you get some type of a geological disaster that happens on the planet. You can see the different oxygen levels, different atmospheric gases of the plant life. All that information is in the ice core. So I mean, literally when you study these ice cores you can now then predict the future of the planet. And to be honest with you, a lot of people are really getting worried about the global warming and everything else. We're right on track with the ice core set and we're going to be exactly right now. This is not something to be honest with you out of the ordinary. It's actually something that's part of our cyclical nature of this geological pattern on this planet. And but the amazing thing is those ice cores line up with these ancient tablets, which is why I talk about the fact that I really believe that the Great Sphinx and the Great Pyramid are probably about 36,000 years old because if you go back to additional processional periods to match up the Sphinx with the constellation of Leo, you end up around 36,000 years ago when according to the ice cores and according to the animal tablets, it's a perfect time to build the geese and plateau to build the Great Pyramid. So it kind of really gives you, it helps you paint a good picture about what's going on. And the other thing is, like you said, finding these tablets all around the world, Chief Joseph, which was a Native American Indian that was unburied in North America was unburied from a burial tomb in North America and what was in his pocket, a Sumerian tablet written in cuneiform text. So the Sumerians had contact with Native American, indigenous Native Americans thousands of years ago in the North Americas, proving again that they had traveled the entire globe. They also found in Mesoamerica, Sumerian writing, which they call proto-Sumerian, but that's even on Wikipedia, anybody can look it up. They even had a metric system back then. So when I tell people about the fact that the Grand Gallery in the Great Pyramid is the longitude of a member's massive speed of light and by meters per second, well, people go, oh no, we didn't have meters back then. Oh yes, we did. They had meters thousands of years ago. Everything we have now is just rediscovery. Exactly, that's really well said. And we're gonna be getting into some of those pieces of evidence from other parts of the world that prove that there was this global civilization and global connection that once occurred around the planet that was completely destroyed and wiped out. And Billy, you made some excellent points there and I wanna address a couple of them as right now, yes, we're going through another one of these time periods. This cyclical nature, time period, don't allow the media to distract you and confuse you over what's going on right now. Oh, this warming that's occurring on the earth, completely just human induced, nothing to worry about. We're just gonna fix things up, cool things down. We'll be all set, except for the fact that we're right in line with another one of these cycles that I think is based on solar cycles that occur where you get extreme warming and then a period of extreme cooling over and over and over again. And in between each one of those events, you get a disaster. Now how big that disaster is gonna be is depends on a lot of factors, especially if you have an ice age. And that's why I wanna both remind people that that's why this information is so important to learn right now because we're in this window where we have all of this available to us and we don't know how long that window's gonna be. And secondly, thankfully this is the part where I go the positive direction on this discussion is that we don't have an ice age right now. And that's something that a lot of people, it gets passed and they say, oh my God, these events that occurred back then, they're gonna be just as bad right now. Well, they sort of can't be because without that ice age and having one to two miles of ice above where I'm sitting right now talking to you, you're not gonna have that massive outburst of water that flooded, which is what was one of the major components, I believe, behind what they describe as being the Great Deluge. Now I do think that there is earthquake and volcanic activity that occurs as well. And I'm not gonna poo poo the idea that we're not gonna have challenges that are gonna be coming up in our future. But we just have to understand and really look back at these events in history and then learn from them and try to figure out if we're gonna go the same route that these ancient civilizations did and disappear or if we're gonna be able to stand the test of time and our civilization is gonna continue. And so that's why we're at a crossroads right now because we need to understand that the Maya, the Aztec, the Hopi, the Hindu, the Cherokee and then many, many other ancient cultures around the world, they clearly stayed in their ancient writings and in their stories. They say that human civilization today is this is either the third or the fourth epic that we've had in our past. That means that human civilizations have gone through these cycles of rising up and then being destroyed over and over again and we're at the third or fourth of those time periods. And that's pretty mind blowing to wrap your head around and consider, I think, Billy. Oh, absolutely. It tells you that we're in a grand cycle just like the Indians talk about the native, not the native American Indians, but the Indians in the East when they're talking about these grand cycles of the Uighurs in the rise and fall of civilizations. And the nature of this universe is cyclical and the rise and fall of civilizations is cyclical. And Thoth talks about this in the animal tablets when he talks about the fact that he's actually traveled to other planets to watch civilizations rise and fall. So we're not the only ones that go through this situation. According to Thoth, this happens all throughout the entire universe. Civilizations have this cyclical nature to them where they rise and fall. So we're not, you know, we're not the exception. The same thing happens here. And we're living, you brought up a very good point. We're living in a very small window of opportunity here where we're able to enjoy this planet, enjoy the beauty of nature to flourish and really it's a shame when you see this tiny, when you can really understand how small this window is. It's smaller than a blink of an eye. It's quicker than a blink of an eye. You watch it time-wise, yeah. You watch it time-wise, yeah. So we're here and we're battling each other and fighting each other and we're pulling each other apart. We should be spending this little bit of precious time that we have to love each other, to show unconditional love to your brother and your sister, to unite, to make, you know, and maybe even to find a way if we join up to break this cycle or maybe, you know, travel the stars and do things that we have an opportunity to do while we have this window of opportunity here before the next geological disaster. And it's not to be negative, it's just part of life. Just like your avatar body is born and it grows up and it lives and when it wears out, it passes on. You know, the same thing happens in these windows where you have areas where the galactic space is clear of debris and planets can prosper and grow and develop life. And then there's times where that doesn't happen anymore for a short period of time. So we've got to be happy with what we have here. We've got to really start to love each other and enjoy the opportunity, this window of opportunity that we do have on this planet. Very well said. And that's essentially leading us into, well, how far back do we go? And, you know, if we had the sick little nature of destruction over and over and over again, you know, are we going to make it to the next epic, to the next stage? Like you said, just imagine what the future of humanity could be. Thoth talks about that all the time. You know, what the potential of what we have is almost infinite, it's infinite, except that we are dramatically held back by all these things that distract us and keep us locked in this illusion of material world. And that's why Thoth calls us, we're the children of men. We're not men. We're not mankind. We're the children of men because we're all like these little kids that refuse to accept who we really are and what defines the nature of reality. We get so distracted by this physical body. You know, this is me, this is me. I need as much as I can before I die because I can't take it with me, except that we're just eternal conscious energy and you can't take anything physical with you. The only thing that matters is what you do during this life and what you leave behind in your legacy for the future. That's really all that matters. And so on that note, we're going to get into some of these really controversial topics because we're going to go back even further. And when we discuss in places like the Eridugenesis and Sumerian Kingless, when it discusses how the first city was Eridu and then all these other cities emerged afterwards, people would scratch your head and be like, well, what else does it say, right? Does it say anything else about what happened before that? What about human civilizations? You know, I don't feel like an ape. You know, I really, everything in this life tells me that I'm something different from an ape. Well, evidence clearly states the opposite of what we've been told in school through this Darwinian evolution aspect of where we're told that Neanderthals and Denisovians came along and started slowly developing and then we broke away and then we had this rapid developing and then we ended up where we are. Except the problem is they don't explain at all how the human brain doubled in size in only a small time period or all these strange things about both why we have all these genetic abnormalities and we don't have hair on our body. If we go on to nature and we try to survive in this world, we will die. It's almost like if you look at it from the outside like an observer, it's like we're not really from here. It's like we're just here as visitors and stewards here to learn and grow. Whereas what we're told is that we're just sort of this ape that got here where we are because the survival is fittest and because of that we can do whatever we want, right, Billy? Right, and I totally don't agree with that. I believe that there's micro changes that organisms are capable of but the macro changes like what they've been, they're describing in this evolution to go from a monkey to a human being, it would take, I mean, probably billions of years. I mean, even just a percent variance which is the difference between us and the chimpanzee but that 2% variance literally takes multi-millions of years if they were to quote unquote be real macro evolution. And so I really do believe after looking at the research after analyzing information and biology, having to do with chromosome number two being fused in the human genome, having the telomeric caps put on the end of chromosome number two and geneticists, mainstream geneticists have said this had to be done in the laboratory. They said it out their own mouth. So they've written this down. This is like well known but they can't just say who did it but they can tell you it seems to happen around 200,000 years ago. Isn't that interesting? Isn't that the same age we gave? If you add up all of the dates for the reigns of these cities, you get just over 200,000 years ago which would fall in line with the first city ever created in this whole biblical story with Adam and Eve and the creation of man, right? Absolutely. So you start to take these biblical stories that we think are all just myth and then you take these direct evidence from these cuneiform tablets and then you take all this genetic data and you look at all of it on this holistic viewpoint and all of a sudden you start to see that the story of what we've been told about who we are is extremely antiquated, biased and inaccurate and I actually go one step further to say that it was deliberately chosen. See Darwin, if you look into Darwin and you look in his theories he wrote confidently, he stated and this is something that a lot of people don't bring up is that he expected that his theories were gonna be disproved in the future. He said that. He said that. He expected his theories to be disproved in the future because he saw holes in his logic and he saw holes in what he was seeing around him and he knew that. I know I really, I hammer on Darwin pretty bad but the more you look at it the more you can actually see that Darwin didn't even, like I said he didn't even think that his theories were gonna be something that stood the test of time but what happened is religion and other organizations grabbed on to Darwin because they said here is something we can use. What happens if human beings view their existence as an ape? You know what I mean Billy? Absolutely. If someone perceives themselves as just an ape and that consciousness is created by the brain Billy I'm gonna ask you how would that change both what we do here and our perspective in the universe? Well somebody thought that they really came from apes and that consciousness comes from the brain it will limit you because now you have a limited viewpoint of where you came from and how you got to this point. I think that if you, that really blocks you into the religious system I think that if people would understand that we were seated on this planet and then a little much later genetically modified maybe even again by these Anunnaki beings or these Atlantean beings at some point according to the ancient text but understanding that consciousness is not created in the brain that consciousness downloaded from the source and I think that that would really expand people's mentality to understand that they're part of something much bigger than the simple evolutionary type of a fairy tale but they're really part of the God divine energy that's flowing through the entire universe and that the same divine energy that is creating everything that we consider to be matter in the third dimension and reality in the third dimension is the same divine energy flowing through and coursing through their veins and there was a study and a scientific study done where they took people and they put them in rooms and they put them in dark rooms and they put these electrodes on their head connected them to a computer they wanted to see what people's brain electronically looked like on a computer after looking at specific images so they can see how the brain reacts to information and digital information and images. Well they found out something amazing by accident so they spaced these images 10 seconds apart they would put up something like a serene image of a lake view or ocean of bed of roses then a horrific scene like somebody getting murdered or stabbed or shot and then a weird scene like kind of in the middle like a building on fire and things like that so all of a sudden what started happening is the data read out on the computer started telling the computer what the next image was gonna be up to seven seconds in advance so that proves that we're getting a download of information from the future or from maybe real time and we're not living in real time so again the brain doesn't create consciousness it downloads it and every case study they did they worked out the same way after a few minutes the human brain was picking up the next image and transmitting it to the computer before the image showed up on the screen every case study they did so this is how powerful we truly are our brain has things of magnetite crystals we download information directly from spacetime and we bring it into our reality tunnel so that we can operate within it but that's a whole other point of view that they don't really want us to know they want us to keep us very locked in and focused on ape to human and six thousand years and all this other kind of crazy stuff but the true reality is we are much bigger and much more important than this evolutionary fairy tale that's been taught That's right and that's really well said, Billy I could not agree more what I wanted to say in regards to that is one of the examples I give that I talk about a lot is human beings right now perceive themselves as just this animal just this advanced animal and it's like they're in this giant fenced in pen and they're all going to work and they're all doing what they're told and they live generally these very mundane lives you know we just come home we watch TV maybe we go out for a hike every once in a while we go out to do something but largely our lives are very uneventful and then before we die that's why the regrets of most people is that they never really did anything now so that's this farm of conformity that we talk about where people the perception of reality that's been created here is not simply just based on some scientist that created it and oh that's what all the evidence says so we're going to go along with that it's actually a paradigm to control our consciousness and how we perceive reality here because we're about to read some cuneiform tablets that completely contradict what we're told and you're going to see how this mindset could control human civilizations so getting back before we start that getting back to I want to bring up a point getting back to this farm of conformity those animals that are in that farm doing what they're doing on a daily basis going to some dead-end job and wasting all their energy and time and then they die and they wonder what they spend all their time doing if those animals and I use that animal that term animal is just an example because we're not really animals at all are we but if those animals realize that they're not farm animals at all and that they're actually this incredible being that doesn't belong caged at all it belongs you know doesn't belong having its wings clipped it belongs out expanding consciousness and reaching the infinite stars and all these things whereas the complete opposite is happening right now and when those when you discover the truth and when you read these ancient translations and tablets and when you look at all this data it's like finding a hole in that fence and running away and never coming back ever again but the challenge that I put to every single person here and I bring this up in my previous book the challenge and it goes along with Plato's cave that the idea that everyone's trapped by these illusions is that you have when you break out of that pen and you run away and the sun is basking on you and you're free the challenge then becomes you have to come back you have to come back and save the rest of the animals that are in that farm or they're not going to make it out and that collective of humanity is going to go down that road that other civilizations did and we're going to be wiped out and we're going to disappear and become a myth just like they did because we're not learning the fundamental lessons we need to right now to make changes and reach the next level of our consciousness so on that note Billy let's go into what actually says in these tablets and discusses it okay and so we're going to be starting with we're going to be starting with what's called the enuma elish and I know it's very dear to your heart Billy because it's one of the ones that I know you talk about among the most of all and the enuma elish was found in the Ashurbanapal Library as I mentioned in 1849 and there's been many translations and different versions of it that have been brought up and I want to also just mention before we bring that up that it may be amazing for some to read and understand that you'll read one version of the enuma elish then you'll read another version like the Babylonian version you'll notice that they're different I just want to bring up is that there is a competition among these gods for who created mankind and who can get credit for being their savior and their great father and so if you read Babylonian versions of what we're about to read right now you find out that it says that Mardu created mankind okay and we can get into it and talk about that as well but it's this competition for who can be the savior who could be the great creator of our species so in the version we're gonna be reading it's a version that came out of Nineveh and it's the version that I feel is the most accurate and it was translated by great translators like Stephanie Daly and George Smith some of the best that have been out there and so the enuma elish starts by saying in this from where we're gonna begin it says they bound him holding him before Ea they inflicted the penalty on him and severed his blood vessels from his blood he Ea created mankind on whom he imposed the service of the gods and set the gods free and then it says after the wise Ea had created mankind and had imposed the service of the gods upon them that task is beyond comprehension the gods were then divided all the interlocking into upper and lower groups he assigned 300 in the heavens to guard the decrees of Anu and appoint them as a guard Tablet six Isn't that amazing? Oh, that's amazing, yeah I mean it just tells you right there and Billy I'm sure you know that that same description is almost referenced exactly in the Atraasis as well isn't that just mind boggling with all these questions that people have? It's amazing that the Atraasis epic and this have so many similar verses in them so it tells you that it's right on point you know it's really amazing and the thing that I like about the Enuma Elish is the fact that it mentions the Anunnaki it mentions Marduk or the Nibiru planet and depending on the version that you're reading and you can find Marduk in the modern day Bible you can find him in the Torah you can find these names it was American library so it's not even been hidden it's there but people have just never paid attention to it Well let's try to have people understand they might not know these names so Ea that's mentioned directly in this translation that we read his name originally was known as Ea before he came here and then his title was then changed to Enki okay now so Enki I'm just gonna refer to him as Enki that was because that was his later name but Enki is the one that is credited in every single ancient text except some of these other versions that were later rewritten as being the creator of mankind and he was said to be this great being that created mankind to do the workload of the gods and actually the phrase I like even more if you go read the Atrahasis which those translations are in the stage of time is it the phrase that it gives in the Atrahasis is even better it says they created mankind specifically for the role of the to do the role of the gods but it says the phrase to undo the chain to set them free undo the chain to set them free now I wanna tell you what I think about that and then maybe you can mention what you think Billy but I believe that that references the chain of the physical reality of the third dimension and being mortal I think the beings used the human race as a way to achieve immortality and also probably to achieve a non-physical existence here where they could go into upper dimensions and basically rule over us because we exist in a lower state of awareness than they do and then you can chime in but I wanna also mention is that well who is Marduk? Cause we brought that up Marduk is credited as being the first son of Enki Ea and so this competition arose between these younger generation gods and the older generation gods over competing here on who could rewrite everything who could become the savior who could become the great God here and that's what this competition has been over and over and over again and that's why Billy and I try to fight so hard to try to get the most accurate information because it's a battle of information and it's a battle of understanding the truth, right Billy? Oh, it's a big battle. I mean, even I just made a post on Instagram about the fact that Marduk, also known as Amin Ra is responsible for the defacing of a lot of these statues and these hieroglyphs around Egypt and a lot of people got immediately offended and they're really going crazy on the common theater and they get off of this show with you I'm gonna check my comments, it's gonna be real hectic because people don't want to come to terms with the fact that this was done in deep antiquity, I've been to Egypt, I've seen the thousands upon thousands of defaced gods and when the hieroglyphs, I'm talking about temples with glyphs, probably I would say two, 300,000 glyphs in one temple all chipped away, faces of all of the statues broken off and these go way back further than Napoleon, they wanna say Napoleon went and shot the noses off and people didn't want people to know that there were some black people in Egypt, that's why. No, Amin Ra, also known as Marduk is the one who had this done because why? Because he wants to be known as the one and true only God, the same term that actually made it into modern day Bible. You know, these guys had big egos, I mean big, big, big egos man and they were battling each other consistently to be the one to do this and the one to do that and matter of fact, if you look in the modern day Bible, look at the book of Deuteronomy, the book of Deuteronomy and especially when you figure about that the word God and the Bible is mistranslated with God's single, it's supposed to be God's plural everywhere in the entire Bible. It was purposefully done. In the book of Deuteronomy, you have these gods who are Marduk and his cousins and his nephews and everybody else fighting each other and sending humans across to another area where people they don't know, never met before to battle them, to rob and rape and steal and everything else. These are the actual words used in the modern day Bible, rape, kill, murder, and they were bathing each other using humans as cattle, kinda like we do today. We take somebody out of school, we send them halfway around the world and put them in the military telling them to go blow up a guy on the camel so he can get a free education. What's the mind trick we played on the people now so they've got these gods doing the same thing today as they did in ancient times? But it's really amazing how they wanted to be able to take claim for everything. And you see it passed down to the pharaohs. The pharaohs, they take claim for a tomb that wasn't theirs. They would take claim for a pyramid that they didn't really build. They take claim for anything because they wanna have that reputation that added to their bio. That legacy, right? Yeah, that legacy, it's crazy. And that's what it really comes down to. And that legacy is what is being fought over right now. That battle has not ended. It's just we don't perceive it the same way because our understanding of linear time is different than perhaps others. We exist in a certain kind of 24 hour cycle based on this 12 hour clock. And it's really interesting if you look at the origins of where that came from and how that rules everything because how we perceive time is how we perceive events and how we perceive how things go over the course of history. And I wanna bring up a couple of little interesting points as we talk about human origins is that, and we really touched on that well when Billy was discussing how we download consciousness or we're like antennas for consciousness and that we're really these beings that are here that didn't arise from just simply just an evolved state. Now, I do believe that human beings are a product that includes a primitive ape as like a blueprint but that doesn't mean that that's our complete origins. Give me an example. I think this is one of the best examples to really look at this to disprove what has been taught. Billy brought up what's called micro versus macro. Micro means very small, macro means larger. And that's one of the things that I talk about in the stage of time a lot is that like Lloyd Pye says, evolution as we've been taught is much more likely to be on a micro scale than on a macro scale. Meaning that small things do happen over time based on the environments and things that occur but large things either take a really, really long time or they did not happen the way that we're told. And I think the same thing happened with humanity and the human race because if you look at how far back the human race goes and everything we've left behind in writings, everything we've left behind in observations throughout time, there's never been one mention ever of an ape that's been observed changing on a level that we can understand that would be related to evolution. Yes, there's apes that can be taught, gorillas and things that can be taught how to read certain things and certain intelligence because they do have an intelligence that can reach a certain level that is rather intelligent but it's nowhere on the same scale of what human consciousness and the human brain is capable of or even on the same level because when we look at human beings and the fact that we only have 46 chromosomes instead of the 48 that's found in most primates, you really can see that there's been this genetic manipulation that's occurred over time and I don't even think that that happened once. And I want your opinion, Billy, but it seems like if you read some of these stories and what they spoke about in these tablets is that humans were way too smart and way too conscious and we were potentially tampered with and then dumbed down, right? That's exactly right. I mean, I just talked about this at a lecture at Disclosure Festa in California a few months ago, the fact that our immediate cousins right behind us, to me, were much smarter than us. Just based off of what I've read in research, they were probably not maybe technologically smarter. That's potential, that's potentially they were, but I think that they were smarter spiritually, more in tune with nature, more in tune with the human resident frequency of the earth. They were using the magnetite crystals in their brains. They may have even been telepathic. They may have had more DNA connected to the avatar system. Right now we have this quote unquote junk DNA, which is not really junk, it's disconnected. We've been disconnected from the higher realms and higher levels by these Anunnaki people to keep us a little bit more dumbed down. Brains, our pineal glands are probably shrunk a little bit smaller than our immediate cousins and making us into this homo sapien sapien being right now that we're in this new biological avatar. They've got us in a way where they've kind of put a cap on us, literally. They put a cap on us physically with their telomere caps and then they put a cap on us, look, people who don't know what telomeres are on the end of chromosome number two, scientists Genesis discovered that chromosome number two was fused together, taken out, fused together and a cap was put on each end and these caps are like buffer material of genetic information. So every time that your cells DNA replicate, then nothing gets lost in translation. However, these buffer caps run out of material and what's interesting is when you go to the biblical account of the Tower of Babel, you discover that human beings are working together on one accord to build this tower to the heavens and whether it was a space tower or whether it was a cargo cult type of a tower mimicking what the Anunnaki or these Atlantic people had built or whether it was just a tower that they came together and decided to build this tower, doesn't really matter. What happens is and Lil, who's known as Yahweh in the modern day Bible, he comes back and realizes that humans are getting too smart, they're getting too intelligent. I mean, this is crazy. He even says out of his own mouth, no matter what they set their minds to do, they can achieve it. So he says at that point, of course he destroys the tower, then he says, my seed shall not abide in man forever. So we were living for a very, very long time back then. This is well documented though, it's written about, oh, then a lot of ancient civilizations talk about the fact that human beings were living for many hundreds and sometimes thousands of years. He said, my seed shall not abide in man forever. His years will be 120. Well, Harvard scientists just recently discovered two years ago that under the most pristine conditions, a human being can only live to 120 years, backing up ancient texts with modern science. And then they discovered these telomere caps and they discovered how to stop the telomere caps from shrinking in mice. So they then had mice living three times their normal lifespan with this new technique that they use on telomeres, which means that they can then now do it on human beings as well. So the possibility for us to live for hundreds or years or even thousands of years is well within reach of modern science at this particular moment. But again, the scientists, now like I said earlier, were saying that they don't know who did this but it happened about 200,000 years ago. This is all really coming together, the culmination of modern science, backing up these ancient tablets, adding more credence to what we're talking about and really adding right now, giving us the evidence that we need to talk about these topics and bring it to everybody out in the world. That's right, I was really well said, Billy and I couldn't agree more. It's if you think about it as why would they wanna, why would that need to be done, right? So if you were, let's call you an overlord of human civilization, if human beings could live for hundreds of years, if not more than a thousand years, think about how much knowledge you could obtain in that amount of time. Think about how much fundamentally you could change and reach these higher states and all of this. So it was realized that, well, it'd be a lot easier to prevent that by just making so they would only die at a certain age, which actually if you look at the potential of what the Emerald Tablet says and the Sumerian King List and the others about how long even humans or other beings could potentially live 120 years is like a little, it's like a little flick of your fingers is actually nothing if you look at how far back time goes and how long these civilizations ruled for and all these things. And you brought up those great points is that here we have scientists that are verifying that these things occur to our DNA a certain amount of years ago and you're getting the same uniform tablets then back them up by not only saying that human civilization was created at the same time and then showing the long reigns of these great bloodline kings, proving that human beings also lived longer, then you see the destruction of all of that how we had to restart over again and then the human lives became less and less over time to where we got now. I think that you see all these shows where they talk about the telekinesis abilities of certain special individuals and all this stuff and you read the Emerald Tablets and a lot of these other, these ancient texts as well and they all clearly state that human beings used to have all these gifts, all these abilities and live a long time and all those things were taken away from us to prevent a lot of those changes that were occurring to keep us in this never-ending loop of what I feel is that we essentially live this life, we expel all the energy until we're done and then we have to do it all over again over and over and over again and that's that chain. I think that's that chain that they did that undid the chain that allowed them to be free was essentially making us be the ones that do that life that they used to have to do. Having to live another life again and do it all over again and have to grow up again and learn everything. They essentially achieved immortality and were able to rise above that whereas we're stuck not only do we not know the truth but we're kept in this paradigm as almost like mental slaves when you say no. Absolutely, I mean you hit it right on the head. We're literally trapped in this spiritual cycle as well. So once the avatar body has broken down and dilapidated and decides to die and then your spirit is released back into the universal consciousness it then becomes recycled right back into the system again and the Anunnaki, these Atlantean people they had discovered a way to surpass this recycling and they've also discovered a way to folks talks about consciously incarnating at will. They also talked about having these avatar bodies on standby and regeneration chambers which I'm sure earth wasn't just the only place that they had when they had one in the halls of the mentee which was discovered, I talked about it in my book underneath the Great Pyramid, it extends about a mile out underneath the Giza plateau hundreds of rooms down there exactly what those said they were where they would put a body in and leave the body in there a human body or avatar body because it wasn't exactly a human because he said that while one body was basically being recharged he would walk amongst men in another body but walk amongst men but unlike a man so they were creating these avatars and what have we now discovered in modern science we can take literally a skin cell off of your body we can then put it in a laboratory condition and turn that skin cell into a stem cell then we can grow that stem cell into an entire clone of you and now with the technology we have now that we have these DNA hard drives and some of the technology being developed at DARPA and also at 2045 Projects by Ray Kurzweil in Russia we can transfer a consciousness like Thoth talks about transferring his consciousness into avatars we can do it now in modern times so in the future it's potentially gonna come to be that you'll transfer your consciousness into an avatar body that can't be before you die before you die so that you can then transfer it over and then you can have that regain all that right exactly you don't lose anything you just go into another body and Thoth says he had done this a hundred times a hundred that's a hundred thousand years just imagine that he stopped there for a second Billy he says he's done that not a couple times and not even a hundred times he's done it a thousand times he's lived a thousand times and while his body recharged it's crazy so we're talking about history that we have to completely try to readjust our understanding of how far back time goes and how far back all of this information goes you know we're living in this little glimpse of what used to be long ago and I think what you said is spot on one of the things I include in the stage of time is a God chart at the end because including for Thoth and I just wanted to show that because we're talking about it but in here I included some question marks in Sumer because it's when you trace back Thoth and you trace back some of these incarnation to like Hermes and then long before you find out well how far back did these did these beings incarnate you know who were they originally and do we have to completely look at all of these what we've perceived as gods but also we've perceived as these great leaders and these great wisdom bringers we have to really relook at you know who are they they may be an incarnation of of another great teacher from long ago and I think Billy that is going to lead us perfectly into Atlantis because when we were talking about we're talking about this birthplace of civilization okay and I want to just lay that out there before we get into Atlantis so we can keep this timeline going the Sumerian Kingless and the Eredugenesis and along with all the other things we're talking about with the evidence from ice cores they support that these civilizations were well over 10,000 years ago in fact if you again the Sumerian Kingless would support that they were more likely 200,000 years ago and what is important about that is it gives us a time frame to then work with so then after these civilizations emerged out of Mesopotamia if you go with what the actual evidence says it makes the most logical sense that then the grand civilization that was created that we think of as a global civilization was what was known as Atlantis and that was this global maritime civilization that reached all the way around the world and connected to to all this evidence and that's why you see so many common traits that we're going to go over throughout the show all over the world now so if Atlantis is the birthplace of where this great global civilization emerged then it would mean that it has the most amount of ancient wisdom of any civilization that's ever existed because it was around the longest amount of time with the most amount of knowledge that was freely available because as Billy has stated this whole restarting of civilization and it's the battling of the gods both second and first generation meant that information was being fought over held concealed destroyed rewritten and tampered with to confuse everybody so but back then it wasn't like that back then that information was pure and that's what Thoth was trying to preserve so civilization that emerged out and became Atlantis this great global civilization its greatest priest was known as Thoth and that's where all of this comes from so Thoth had all the knowledge of Atlantis and he because he was a master alchemist he created what is known as the Emerald Tablets out of this indestructible material so that that knowledge that existed from the very beginning describing everything from from where it started could be preserved but not only that is those teachings that could help us ascend to reach that higher level that walk through guide for reaching the highest state you can that's what this is and so what Billy and I are going to be doing that's going to be special is we're going to be dual reading Emerald Tablet number one which brings all of this in for the first time so we can understand the importance of where all this came from okay so I'm going to start Emerald Tablet number one starts by saying I Thoth the Atlantean master of mysteries keeper of records mighty king magician living from generation to generation being about to pass into the halls of Ementi set down for the guidance of those who came from after those records of the mighty wisdom of great Atlantis in the great city of Kiorr on the island of Undau in the great time far past I began this incarnation not as the little men of the present age did the mighty ones of Atlantis live and die but rather from Eon to Eon did they renew their life in the halls of Ementi where the river of life flows eternally onward a hundred times ten have I descended the dark way that led into light and as many times have I ascended from the darkness into the light my strength and power renewed now for a time I descend and the men of chem shall know me no more but in a time yet unborn I will rise again mighty and potent requiring an accounting of those left behind me then beware old men of chem if ye have falsely betrayed my teaching for I shall cash ye down from your highest state into the darkness of the caves from where ye hence came remember and heed my words for surely I will return again and require of thee that which ye guard even from beyond time and from beyond death while I return rewarding or punishing as ye have required your trust great were my people in the ancient days great beyond the conception of the little people now around me knowing the wisdom of old seeking far within the heart of infinity knowledge that belonged to the earth's youth wise we were with the wisdom of the children of light who dwelt among us strong were we with the power drawn from the eternal fire and of all these greatest among the children of men was my father Thothmay keeper of the great temple linked between the children of light who dwelt within the temple and the races of men who inhabited the ten islands the dweller of Unal speaker of the king to the kings with a voice that must be obeyed grew right there from a child into manhood being taught by my father the elder mysteries until in a time grew within the fire of wisdom until it burst into a consuming flame not the desire I but the attainment of wisdom until on a great day commanded command came from the dweller of the temple that I be bought before him few there were among the children of men who had looked upon the mighty face and lived for not as the sons of men are the children of light when they are the not to incarnate in the physical body chosen was I from the sons of men taught by the dweller so that his purpose might be fulfilled purposes yet unborn in the womb of time long ago I dwelt in the temple learning ever and yet ever more wisdom until I too approached the light emitted from the great fire taught me he the path to a mentee the underworld where the great king sits upon his throne of might deep I bowed and homage before the lords of life and the lord of death receiving my gift the key of life free was I of the halls of mentee bound not by death to the circle of life far to the stars I journey until space and time became the not then having drunk deep of the cup of wisdom I looked into the hearts of men and there I found the great mysteries and was glad for only in the search for truth could my soul be stilled with the flame within be quenched down through the ages I lived seeing those around me taste of the cup of death and return again into the light of life amazing it's it's so powerful billy I want to just put my thoughts on that for a second then I want you to chime in and we'll just talk about this for a minute so to start this what you just what you just heard is part of tablet number one that was handed down as part of the emerald tablets of this ancient wisdom now this wasn't being read as you can tell in atlantis it was being read in Egypt because he talks about the men of chem in it that means that when atlantis was being destroyed both and his trusty masons and priests and those who were around him they all fled atlantis this island subcontinent that was considered this principal island subcontinent of seven circular islands with this large central land mass in the middle called undal okay in the central city on undal was known as kior and that's where though says he was he was born in this life and then he was raised until he became a very wise priest and so they they fled atlantis to create this new civilization in Egypt and that's where he was essentially is reading and providing this knowledge to the men of chem but what i want to just bring up that i want you to talk about billy that's amazing is he talked about he talked about how there was this connection that existed within these temples to these children of light with the children of men and that only through these temples could they acquire this connection to essentially speak to the gods so the emerald tablets is talking about how in atlantis these great priests in these temples basically had a connection to the gods right yeah i mean they literally are talking about these gods might be these much more progenitor level gods or maybe these could be even people of our entities from another dimension that we're interacting with them and maybe even passing them knowledge i mean there's so much that we just don't know but through these temples and even like in the halls of lamenti both would appear there and disappear from there so they could be using these temples inside of them at some point there could be portals to other dimensions where they go before these grand gods or before these other entities to get knowledge and information and esoteric wisdom yeah and he calls them cycle masters he's and he says in several occasions that he met some of these cycle masters and in some of the other tablets one of the things i find amazing is that he mentions how he was shown um the chaos that exists beyond our physical dimension and how that there are these great masters that prevent all this darkness and evil from from entering in and that over time some of those great masters were no longer present anymore to defend that and that could be one of the reasons why so much darkness and evil was allowed into our realm is that these great protectors these great priests you know these great men who would sit up on mountaintops and command their vibrational frequency into the universe they were protecting this realm from evil and there's those men don't don't exist in the same capacity they used to anymore and so that's why this torch he mentions that's being passed down to then allow others to find truth is being given to us right absolutely and if you listen to what you just said it's a perfect description of Dr. Strange the movie Dr. Strange where they were it's the same exact story I think they copied it from the animal tapas to be quite honest with you the fact that they had to have these cycle masters and they had to be to to to ward off evil from attacking and destroying the planet and so forth but some leaked in it's the same story as the animal tapas they made it into a box office movie yes right and so you you tend to see when you when you review all the stuff and you go back and look at other movies and things that all starts to make sense and it really starts to blow your mind when you can put all this together into a place where you can say wow this stuff is real and and look it's all around me I just didn't notice it because I hadn't actually put those pieces together in like a chronological order based on the evidence because you can't just listen to what Billy and I are saying you got to go look at this stuff yourself go read the emerald tablets go see some of this wisdom ponder on its mysteries and decide for yourself what's real and what might just be an illusion and and and that and that's where we move to understanding well what happened next so Atlantis was destroyed and while it was being destroyed Tholph and his trusted priests and masons they left and they founded this civilization we know of as chem in Egypt and this is and Tholph says in that that he was the great builder of these pyramids and that this was supposed to be a civilization that was arised to be in the image of Atlantis right just like some other places I'm going to go into too yeah but but Billy talk about some of the ancient technology and some of the mysteries we find from some of this lost Atlanteans that came in part of that right I'll tell you it's amazing I mean the evidence there is just mind blowing going to Egypt I spent a lot of time there thankfully I was able to do that was blessed to be able to do that and to you know go to almost every major temple in Egypt had to get on a plane three times to fly to different areas to get out to these places drive through the middle of the desert for hours to get to temples and one thing you notice that is consistent megalithic blocks no mortar impossible cornering in the brick masonry magnetic granite you know this is all there it's everywhere you go and it points to to one architect that you know and and as you look around the planet you see the same exact type of architecture but again points to one main architect one person laid out this plan and said look this is the design plan now duplicated everywhere and that's how it was done but what's really amazing is that the Great Pyramid at Giza the way that the structure is set up you can just see the resonating energy and power from it I had to I had the blessing to be able to go to some of the underground tunnels there and that area used to be flooded with an aquifer in some of those parts and then aquifer would allow physiostatic electricity to be transmitted up into the base of the Great Pyramid and then from there it would be shot up into the through the grand grand gallery which probably had resonating chambers in it or resonating rods that would then fire that those that power up into the King's chamber which I had the blessing of going into and then I believe personally that the Ark of the Covenant used to sit inside that box that they try to call us sarcophagus it's the perfect it's the same exact dimension as the Ark of the Covenant and that would interact with this arc and that would create some type of a master spark which then would be shot through the apex and I believe that the Great Pyramid was a multifunctional stone or it is still a multifunctional stone computer kind of now partly broken because a cap is being taken off and some of the technology can taken out but it operated as a wireless generator wireless power generator it operated as a portal generator it operated as a stabilizer because the Great Pyramid is directly at the center of the mass of the earth not the center of the earth the center of land mass of the earth it's located directly on that spot and also to me was a communication device the way that the shafts reach out to the Orion and the Sirius I believe that those were they had a capability of sending some type of a subspace frequency to those star systems that communicate back and forth you know so it's just it's just amazing and then when you take a look at the Giza Plateau itself I have a video on my youtube channel about it where the temples and the pyramids are located you can actually create a circular grid based off of the alignments and you get an exact alignment from the NASA inner or interplanetary star system and interplanetary system around our star and overlay it onto the grid map of the Giza Plateau with the temples and the pyramids and you get a perfect match so the Giza Plateau is a map of the interplanetary star interplanets of our solar system post our sun I'm talking about Mercury Venus Earth and Mars those four and our sun are mapped out right there at Giza on the Plateau amazing amazing possible knowledge basically we're looking at a lost civilization with technology that was existing and it's now just these remnants and pieces that are left and in what Billy said is is is spot on is that here we have these structures that we've been told how we're housing pharaohs and that's what everyone is told in school and that's how they perceive the purpose of all these structures okay yeah they wanted to be remembered in the future so they they buried them there and then oh look that's their tomb and whereas when people you know that's that's what we we're dealing with here is that there's a paradigm that's been created about ancient history and about our origins about everything that we perceive in reality to create this certain doctrine here of what we think and what we follow whereas when you start looking at the evidence from the Great Pyramids you like Billy said you look at the Great Pyramid Giza and you say there's never been a pharaoh ever found there and there's not even ever been any hieroglyphs inside in fact there's all this strange technology with these chambers pointing at different star systems and water being utilized underneath and all these secret tunnels connecting all these specific points and quickly you get to you get to realize oh wow so this is this is not a tomb at all then you factor in things like the fact that this is located right in the very center of the land masses of the earth and that it's on these important lay lines these convergent centers of energy just like all the other structures all around the world that we're about to go over in a few minutes you get to see that there was this giant grid system created here this giant grid system created here harnessing electromagnetic energy and that these these sophisticated cultures were likely like Billy said they may even connected to all over the stars we don't know how advanced the civilization was because the destruction that destroyed it was so severe that all that was literally all that was left of these civilizations are these megalithic structures they created and some of the stories and writings that were left behind to be carried on the future everything else that existed was either buried or destroyed over time and so that that's what we're trying to put these clues and pieces together to these lost civilizations in human history that connect all the way back to human origins but that story does not end in Egypt it does not end in chem because we have to understand that Egypt the name itself is a name that came later and I want to point out and I've mentioned it many times is that we see a distinct difference in the sophistication and building of a lot of this advanced technology in Egypt along with some later building of the dynastic pharaohs and I want to point that out so when you go to a place like Karnak and you have a you have these large blocks of things like travertine and you can't find travertine more than a thousand miles away in Turkey and you have these huge granite blocks like above the tomb of Osiris which is not a real tomb at all it's more of a physical a non-physical energy reincarnation tomb for a great being Osiris that I believe was connected to Enki but anyway when you start to look at that and you look at those massive stone blocks that were quarried at the Aswan quarry hundreds of miles away it all starts to make sense to say ah so these different distinct time periods occurred with these different civilizations that then pass down knowledge to the next one that came and then over time every single time one of these civilizations came later more and more knowledge was lost and then before you know it we lump them all together it's just one civilization and that's where a lot of this confusion comes in right Billy? Oh absolutely I mean you hit it right on the head I mean literally what's happened is every time you move to another generation or another dynastic era the technology gets worse the construction gets worse and it's a video that I had made I guess with some other guys on YouTube where they kind of gave me an impromptu interview and I had said I told them that the further back you go the more perfect the construction and the closer you come to forward in time the worse the construction and I've seen the opposite we've been told right exactly I mean how could that be it gets more how can it be perfect in the past in the deep antiquity and then be worse in the current day and anybody who doesn't believe this you just need to do one thing save up your money fly to Egypt land in Cairo and look how the people live look at the buildings that they're living in and then go to the pyramids and you're gonna go oh my god how we have fallen I mean they're living in buildings that are dilapidated hand hand mud brick condos this is what they're living in like right now today in 2019 and then often the distance you have this you have this Giza plateau which looks like an advanced piece of technology left behind but still looks better than what they're living in I mean the evidence is there that the further back he goes just it's just incredible I went to Cambodia and as I've got to anchor what anchor what is still an amazing condition to this very day but as you travel through his 500 hectares land so I went hiking 37 miles through the jungle when I was there in 120 degree heat so obviously I was very motivated to see these locations I would say nobody really wants to do that but as I got further in time to more recent temples that were built guess what they were dilapidated they were falling apart they weren't megalithic anymore the stones were stones that I could pick up with my own hands if I put a little effort effort into it so the closer I got to to our current era the worse the construction you know and this is what you see in Egypt as well that brilliantly said and that's something that is echoed by a lot of researchers now that are not quite on the fringe that of Billy and I but that just just speak about lost civilizations you know like Graham Hancock and Brian Forrester and Robert Shock and a lot of these other ones they're saying look you can pinpoint all of these different places around the world from you know go from Puma Punka go from Machu Picchu go from all the way up through the Americas Ushmal right up through Machu Picchu and then up through Chichen Itza you go through all the Americas you find the same thing it is all this ancient sophisticated building on the very bottom for whatever was whatever remained and then the top is all this less sophisticated really primitive building and then when you take that model and you go around the world you get to distinguish and you get to separate all these different civilizations this one came later this one came earlier and that's how we get to piece these pieces together and part of that journey is then traveling around and going to see these anomalies around the world and deciding and doing research into them and figuring out oh okay this is what legacy this this piece belongs to and this is what this piece belongs to okay now where this journey is going to take us is when you read about Thoth and in Chem one of the things you find out is he was actually either he left or he was some even say he was kicked out by by Amun Ra and but regardless of which which you believe he definitely left come and he went to create these new civilizations of Atlantis around the world and he went to two key locations in my opinion that I see evidence on and that is the area of the United States Mexico and South America those areas have this heavy influence of this these builders and this rise of civilization that seems to have come out of nowhere I want to just bring up in in in Puebla Mexico down near Teotihuacan and Tenochtilan that that area of Mexico that's near Mexico City their archaeologists have done digs in some of those areas and they found evidence that shows sophisticated civilizations lived there well over a hundred thousand years ago so we're looking at these time periods that they completely rewrite the narrative what we think there may have been civilizations that were destroyed even before these there could have been time periods where other people existed there because that's what these say I want to bring up um it go to that incredible Mayan temple site of Ushmal okay this is probably the best example I can pick out um in in Mesoamerica in the Mexico Mesoamerica area showing this what we're talking about right now the name Ushmal means built three times okay and I want people to look that up because it's totally mind blowing is that the very name means that and the temple there the largest temple is called temple of the wizards just like if you remember the emerald tablet when we read of Thoth he says he's the great master of mysteries and the great magician and the wizard that's that's what he's referenced as and so you see these common examples and these influences all around the world of these sites where they they travel around and created these civilizations right Billy absolutely I mean you again you're right man you're a great researcher man uh went to Teotihuacan Mexico I had the blessing to be able to go to Thoth's house Cuckoo Khan very culture whatever you want to call him he's got a million names as you know but it was his house where it's still there it's still there he actually lived on this on site and one thing I want to point out is a lot of people might get offended by this in a way when they've learned this but if they go research it I find it is true the Mayans did not build Teotihuacan I'll say that again the Mayans did not build Teotihuacan and where did I get this from from a homegrown archaeologist in Teotihuacan this actually taught there in schools it's actually taught there in Mexico that the Mayans did not build it neither did the Aztecs the Teotihuacans were there much further back than the Mayans the Mayans kind of inherited what was already there and some of the wisdom and teaching that were left behind but they didn't build it and then there was a volcanic eruption much later a couple hundred years later in a valley and the Aztec people had to migrate out of that area because their whole city or where their living area was destroyed and they stumbled across Teotihuacan and they inherited it as well okay so this is why you have a situation where you see advanced technology advanced building techniques being used and then you have these people that are still you know killing killing and cutting people's heads off and cutting their hearts out to give to the gods and sacrificing virgins and all this you're going wait a minute how can you be this technologically advanced but then you're doing all these sacrificial things and all the stuff that didn't really make any sense it's because they were almost like a cargo cult in a way and they were trying to bring the gods back just like you know we've done here on earth in modern times with the the people from Bikini at all and stuff like that so it's really amazing i mean these these uh these and anarchy atlantic and people whatever you want to call them they really made the worry around this entire planet they influenced so many civilizations and when both left out of Africa and came to Mesoamerica and kickstarted the civilizations here they built this super advanced civilization when i went to Mexico City there were literally hundreds of hills in Mexico City so we're talking with the archaeologist and the driver who's also a researcher and he's pointing at all the hills and he's saying you see this hill you see that hill you see that hill i'm like yeah what's up with all these hills he goes every hill is a pyramid underneath the street underneath the tar underneath everything underneath the church so what they did was he said in ancient times they blew up that ancient time sorry in more recent times the Spaniards blew up the tops of the pyramids and then put churches on top of them and so Catholic churches so unfortunately that's what happened but if you were to go and dig up every one of those hills you're going to find literally hundreds of pyramids just in that one area so it's really amazing and astounding what was accomplished down there and i wish i could just get in the time machine man and go back but that that area that whole entire region was highly sophisticated and at Tatuacan if you really take a good look at it it really looks like an advanced spaceport to me i can envision some type of launch tower those the shorter platforms look like launch towers where you would put up a vehicle up to that would just kind of sit there on a pad waiting to take off just in my personal opinion that's what it looks like and then you have the pyramid of the sun and pyramid of the moon which are actually fractalized pyramids they're pyramids on top of pyramids on top of pyramids and the pyramid of the sun is built on top of what an aquifer just like the one in great in Giza and the pyramid of the sun has the same exact size base and is exactly 50 percent the height of the pyramid Giza that doesn't happen by accident that was done on purpose you have the same again you have the same architect then duplicating these uh this this technique over here in Mesoamerica and helping to kickstart the civilization long before the mines arrived exactly there's a there's a certain type of signature of the size of the block ratio it's like a 52 qubit block that is used you see the same type of building and i know that a lot of people it's like they constantly share those images of pyramids across the world and they say you know are they connected they are they somehow influenced by similar places and it's amazing to me how much of our society because of the whole indoctrinated system of what they've been made to believe and how they don't want to be out of the mainstream they'll choose to ignore that they'll just say oh that's just a coincidence it doesn't really matter because what happens when you start to dwell it delve into this is you go down this long road of having to completely reorganize your thoughts and and how you perceive the past so billy brought up some some great great points there billy well said is that in all of these ancient sites whether it's mine or Aztec or or down in throughout Peru and down in Viracotias area of Pumapuku you find that all of those ancient cultures like you said when you ask them who built these structures and where they came from they all state that they found them there and that they were built by those their ants those those ancestors that they once revered and looked up to and so what we think of is the Aztec Maya and Inca are just these remnants of those civilizations from long ago and what's left over and just so just imagine it right instead of these cultures we perceive now their their ancestors instead of us perceiving them as building them so they're those structures like billy said imagine them just like we were when we first rediscovered these in the jungle you know we're emerging through the brush and we open up this scene and we see this temple out in the jungle and it's all destroyed and there's truly everywhere and there's just pieces of it and this culture is amazed by it and they start poking around through the ruins and they find these ancient writings and they're reading about them and they're blown away because there's all this knowledge that completely changes and what happened this civilization all of a sudden becomes jump-started because they have all this knowledge and wisdom so they try to emanate what was there before they try to rebuild it they try to connect with these gods because they learned through these writings they learned that these long ago they were influenced by by things that are no longer there anymore by great beings that were great builders so what do they try to do they try to do blood sacrifice and all these awful techniques to try to get the gods to come back because they're desperate and that's where all this confusion comes in is out of corruption and desperation that a lot of those cultures did that not because they were influenced by their original wisdom bringers to do that and that's so those are some of the misconceptions that we want we got to get past here but what what this brings up and what's on the screen is what we're looking at is South America and we're looking at the Andes Mountains in the background and you're looking at Lake Titicaca which is an amazing amazing place the the highest navigable lake in the world over a thousand feet deep okay which is really interesting if you start to look at the the stories of Irocosia and how some of them claim that this great creator being came out of the depths of of Lake Titicaca and when you think about how the underworld and the abzu this lower world is connected through these deep portals underground and caves and underwater it starts to make sense and it makes it starts to scratch your head and wonder about the significance of what Lake Titicaca plays well anyway on along the shores of Lake Titicaca which is in Bolivia South America all over the place you find these strewn ruins of ancient civilizations Pumu Puku Tiwinaku and like Billy said they didn't call themselves what we think they call themselves they said that their their ancestors were called the Tiwinakus and some of them call themselves the Viracotians so there these aren't even terms that reference the Inca they're these long ago terms that we don't even use anymore but when we start to look at the evidence from that region to try to connect it to say okay what's the evidence that actually proves that these civilizations are connected you know give me something out that's not just circumstantial well go look up the Fuente Magna Ball it'll completely blow your mind and that's what I have on the screen right now the image so a little backstory so people know what that means is in 1958 next to Lake Titicaca where all these ancient ruins are go look up Pumu Puku some of the strangest ruins on the entire planet near that same area where all that advanced technology is already from these ancient Viracotians you find there was this there was this field that a farmer was plowing in 1958 and all of a sudden his plow hit the edge of something so he gets out and he goes down in his field and he picks up this artifact and it's this very strange bowl okay now some some academics will tell you that this is all fabricated and it's not real just like a lot of this stuff we're going into to try to make people think that all of this is some fantasy in that what we're told is the correct story whereas if you go do research you can clearly see that all of this stuff is real and it's all just there if people know where to look so this farmer finds this bowl and he picks it up and he wipes away the dirt inside and he finds these ancient inscriptions and he doesn't recognize it at all it's not something he's ever seen before so he brings it into this to the some of the experts in the area and he has it sent away and they determine that it's cuneiform writing now if you look at the similarities of it you find the same etchmarks and like billy knows they still create cuneiform today and you can see those etchmarks are almost exactly mirrored in this bowl and billy said well they say it's some kind of a proto cuneiform Sumerian writing but what does that even matter it's still me that the same writing is connected all the way across the world right billy absolutely i mean this doesn't happen by accident there's no sense of coincidence here this is actual something that evidence of somebody teaching people in different parts of the world the same exact writing techniques with the same exact type of a stylus in the same exact type of a clay wet clay system and like i said earlier before we got on the air was mr. finkel at the british museum has a great little video very short video on on youtube where he actually takes a stylus and he and presses into wet clay and begins to do the cuneiform writing uh and it's very tedious to just make a one name or one word or one phrase that's why i think that these cuneiform tablets are so important because you've got some information here and we've got millions of these tablets now have been discovered around the world but we've got information that somebody took their tedious time effort to create and write and then bake and put it on in a way that it can withstand the test of time and i think when somebody goes to that level of effort to put information out it's well worth our research and investigation to look into it because it's like a time capsule it was put here for us in this current era to read it decipher it and to realize the true history of our ancient past what went on in the ancient past and it's really an amazing window that's been open for us to figure out what happened back then because the past is prologue so we can analyze this information from around the world all these cuneiform tablets these bowls these artifacts being discovered these megalithic structures and we can analyze all these stories from all this the cuneiform scrolls and everything else that we've discovered now and figure out how can we prevent this from happening in the future how can we curve this cyclical nature of horizon fall of civilization can we stop this cycle from rising and falling can we get to the next level can we become a type type one type two type three level civilization enhance the power of our star and prevent collective collisions with asteroids and talk to love it exactly you know so can we get to those levels and i think what we're doing me and you matt i think that it's so crucial because it's like we're really the pioneers of bringing knowledge and information to the general population which is going to spread like wildfire and maybe just maybe giving us an opportunity as a civilization to bypass this cycle of rise and fall and get to the next level as a civilization well said and and like like billy mentioned um what we're trying to do right now is not just being done by so many other people most mainstream academics and researchers are scared to even go into this idea of trying to decipher these ancient translations and texts and that's why if you look at almost all these researchers they'll delve into ancient megalithic stuff because that's that's pretty easy to see now we really can know what that is but a lot of this other stuff because it connects to this idea of beings entities aliens some kind of gods all that stuff it's off limits and so most of them because of credibility reasons and because of how control this information is most aren't willing to connect those pieces so that's why billy and i are doing the best we can to not only preserve this ancient wisdom so it can last test last the test of time but also to make sure that others can can understand what those teachings said and what they left behind long ago now and what did they leave behind well they left behind these amazing structures and this is sasuke humon outside of um kusco and i know billy has been to this one but when you when you look at something like this um it almost seems like this technology that exists in south america is in many ways even more perfect than i've seen anywhere around the world like they perfected here and what was that some kind of a did they melt these rocks and then reform them and that's why they have these bizarre shapes and so what let me get your take on some of these incredible um structures around the world man this is just amazing i mean even seeing this again i was there so you know it's just i'm so happy man you know you know the way that i've been able to to live my life i mean i've been there i've touched those stones right with that gentleman standing i've took a picture right there um and uh even the archaeologist that was there with us that we hired was saying that you know the gods built this and i mean you still can't put a human here in between some of these blocks uh they whisked earthquakes uh you know the disaster storm everything else you could think of and they're still there and they're still rock i mean they're locked solid together and it almost looks like some type of a heating tool or a heating laser or something just molded them together but you're not going to go to a rock quarry cut rock and then bring it to a location hundreds of miles away just to make these intricate cuts when you could just stack the blocks and make simple square blocks you don't need to make these intricate cuts these intricate cuts are so amazing it just it just leads you to to believe that it's got to be some type of advanced technology something that molded and bent these rocks and glued them together in a way it's almost like they're hermetically sealed in a way i mean they're really locked together they can't you can't just like pry one of these blocks away it's not that easy uh and the fact that we can't really duplicate this today it leads us you know it just adds more credence to the fact that these people have some advanced technology whether it was a harmonic frequency tools, symatic tools um you know because because you symatics the right frequency can generate heat did they use a frequency tool to to um to mold these bricks together these blocks together whatever it was and also they designed them also in a way that made them earthquake proof so they actually have the capability in certain areas of sliding and moving with the vibrations of the earth just really amazing this was a great fort and the top was a great temple which the temple it didn't it did not stay in the test of time the walls are there but the top's missing but this is just an amazing place yeah and now notice billy what the design of the blocks almost looks like to me it looks like a honeycomb design when you say it has the type of honeycomb design and so what was the purpose of that right like why would you want to design them just like this with these knobs sticking out in some spots and these really strange angles and i think what you said nails it on the head i think that those were designed in a certain way to act as a harmonic frequency so that it's like a like a tuning fork things and so we can have this certain type of harmonic frequency because like billy said there was a big temple sitting up there and so you had to create this certain kind of energy connection with that temple and that's what it was all about back then we find these sites when you when you look at a world map you know go search really quick on google and go look up lay lines of the earth and then go look up lay lines of the earth and the location of megalithic sites around the world and boom they line up almost perfectly and quickly you can see that wow so not only do these advanced civilizations know about that and first of all how did they know about the convergence of energy lines around our planet i mean that is almost mind-blowing for us to even consider now and we're circumnavigating the globe with gps units and compasses and everything all over the place and yet these these civilizations new in many ways what we don't even know now anymore at all they had knowledge about energy and consciousness and the cosmos that we're we're just starting to piece together and get back today but this legacy all around the world you can really see it and you can really see how what happened well there were these lost civilizations after atlantis that spread around the world and then these destructive events occurred that ended the last ice age and that is the most key point i want to leave behind these events are what ended the ice age they're not just coinciding with the end of the ice age there was a massive ice age for those don't know where i am the lorentide ice sheet miles deep i mean if you were to try to put try to envision something like the empire state building or any of these large buildings around the world that wouldn't even come close to the depth of this ice so if you had ice age is covering the world and then those ice age those that ice rapidly melts and you get these global tectonic shifts and earthquakes and tsunamis and sun coming in on coral mass ejections and burning structures and causing vitrification on it when you're seeing all that evidence around the world it paints this picture of these cataclysms that were so disastrous that they're like something out of some hollywood movie that we can't even imagine today because they were so so severe that they wiped out all of these civilizations around the world to where i think that there was only a few elders that remained and they those elders tried to jumpstart civilization in other places but over time that was unsuccessful and eventually we we almost went back to the stone age basically right billy absolutely that's right that's exactly what happened we literally had lost all of the knowledge all the wisdom the the verbal history had been passed down but as you go through you know using utilizing verbal history and passing that down generations you begin to lose some of the information over time so generation after generation it became less and less important as survival became more important and just like today we all use cell phones i use a cell phone you use a cell phone but if civilization was to collapse right now i don't know how to make a cell phone you know so i know some of the parts work but i don't know how to actually physically make a cell phone and rebuild the towers to make the cell phones communicate the microwave signals and so forth it's a lot of collaboration to get all that back up so when something collapses like that even if you have a few wise people it's not just like well they knew about it how can we kick started again well it takes a lot of collaboration and a lot of people knowing little different parts and working together to rebuild a high level of civilization it's just typically can't be done with two or three wise men you got to have quite a quite a bit of people on the same level and working together in unison but but survival took hold and you know it became a priority information just became you know that type of knowledge became less and less important as people were just trying to make it through the day yeah and so you so if you can imagine back then those original builders maybe they've returned to some of those civilizations after and they try to impart that wisdom again but then they leave and they move on somewhere else and so over time maybe you would see like we see with this building you would see a blossoming for a short period of time where they were trying to restart that civilization and reach that sophistication but then without guidance without those teachers around that civilization would end up becoming corrupted it would fall down into these lower moral codes of blood sacrifice and war and all these things we find today which is actually echoed even in our civilization now it seems like there's this eventual downfall of situations civilizations where they often become corrupted if they're not given guidance and wisdom to follow a certain path and so we're moving to the last location today on our journey and this is what I consider the very heart of the Aztec empire okay this is Teotihuacan and this is an ancient Aztec city which and like Billy mentioned if you go around the world okay go to any of these megalithic sites one of the common things you find is that their largest pyramids are almost always named the pyramid of the sun and the pyramid of the moon which is fascinating because yet again provides this connection with with how they thought back then and the purpose behind why they were building the structures I mean this this this area that you have is literally what was attempted to try to create a new Atlantis what's some of the evidence to back that up right next to this site is a place called Tula Mexico where you have these massive statues of these huge guards and they're called the Atlantean warriors and I bring that up every time because they're specifically called that as part of the ancient wisdom that's not a name that was given to them later but it proves to you it shows that that was the whole purpose was they were trying to create these new Atlantean civilizations and that those pieces whether you want to talk about the Olmec whether you want to talk about the Aztec the Maya the Inca the Viracotians and many many other branches of that they're all just this part of this lost history that we're just trying to put the pieces back together today right absolutely yeah I mean Thoth came here his name changed many times while he was in Mesoamerica I mean you know he's been everybody Hucacan Quetzalcoatl Quetzalcoatl Viracocha he might have been even Lord Pacal yeah that's right that's a good point right and I've been to Tula Mexico I've been to the Atlantean statues took pictures next to them and they're holding technology in their hands they've got on what looked like to be some type of sophisticated suit or outfit with what looks like a container or something on the chest and on the back handbags right they have the handbags yeah some of them look like they're holding might be even holding a weapon in a way the way it's just set up I'm going to show I'm going to show you my photos it's really amazing stuff but I've been to to Tula at the top of the pyramid of Cucacan there I've been to right down from there I went to this other place called Cucahuamilpa or Cacahuamilpa so very strange name it's a mountain there and they take you on a tour inside this mountain and you go we went down about uh man maybe uh two kilometers and about 90 meters up from the floor I took a video of a Egyptian head carved into the inside of this mountain on the inside of this cave that we just gigantic cave system we ran and the cave just kept going but in there it's carved in a way again using highly advanced technology and somebody in ancient times was utilizing utilizing that cave as a kingdom you can tell by the way it's set up uh the the strange thing though the further you go the less oxygen you get and it just kept going going I mean it kept going and going and going and you have the all the tourists had to loop around because the oxygen becomes more thin down then you can't you know somebody's gonna start passing out but down there is evidence of advanced technology I wish I could have kept going with some oxygen mass going just to see how far I can go and really tap into some stuff that they probably didn't cover up that they didn't take down that one Egyptian motif that Egyptian heads sticking out of the out of the inside of the cave up there but this whole area is full of nothing but amazing things just looking at this this image you have on the screen now like I said before and I was talking earlier these look like launch pads to me I mean just to me I could be wrong but they kind of resemble launch pads I've climbed up on top of these structures in front of the perimeter of the Sun right along the avenue of the dead and I have videos of me on Facebook on top of these structures and everything else and they really look like something would mount up to them and be like they were there to hold something and then people will walk up these stairs to get into whatever that thing was in ancient times another thing that's amazing is that this entire place is connected by these underground tunnels but they're not really tunnels they're really carved pathways in the shape of a perfect square almost and inside of them they discovered tons of mica now mica is the technological purpose is technologically used for the purpose of insulation in modern times so they found tons of insulation underneath this pyramidal structure here at Teotihuacan that connected the pyramids together and all the structures together and to me it lends to me evidence that there may have been some type of electricity flowing through this underground tunnel system those tunnels the way they're cut so perfectly and geometrically shape to me lends credibility to the fact that they may have been more technological yeah I definitely agree you see that mica and you find that they were using that as like a technology means not like we use it today all those were used to focus energy or use these as some kind of energy some kind of a temple that would not you have a certain harmonic frequency it's basically just lost technology that we're trying to figure out today and trying to have our heads around but I want to just bring something up at the end of this that I think is pretty amazing is that those Atlantean warriors those statues that that are standing there in Tula Mexico um probably another piece of evidence that I want to I want to bring up that I think is the probably the biggest one of all that connects all of this the probably the best piece of evidence of all is that that handbag design that you find in the Olmec okay and in those in those Atlantean warriors in Tula in different locations in Mexico okay you see that handbag design you find that handbag design also in South America you find that handbag design all throughout Mesopotamia through um all the ancient world in these ancient civilizations now in in Golbecki Tepe you found that you find those same handbags on the t-shaped pillars they have so what is that right in the stage of time I talked about that and I really laid that out and I showed some pictures and examples in my personal opinion I think that the handbags represented is passing along of knowledge and technology where a bag is is a is a symbolic weight of represent something that holds something something that carries something to be passed on so when you when you have and they show different groups of them too and I think those all might have little meanings too and how many of them they show next to each other but the fact is that handbag design has been seen in each of these megalithic ancient civilization areas all over the world and I think those are what link this influence of these ancestors that traveled around and gave them all that technology the handbags are showing that they provided all of the sophistication and wisdom and they passed it on to them and then created all these grand civilizations and then they were destroyed and now of course we're trying to put those pieces back together today right Billy yeah the handbags are definitely one of my biggest posts that I've you know I've made many times over and over I repose what do you think about them I want to get your when your thoughts too that's a very interesting concept you came up with the passing on of knowledge I made a video like sophistication and all that yeah yeah I made a yeah exactly I made a video with Thomas Jensen out of Denmark a few years back about the bags where because I was just one day I was looking at some old NASA footage and I was trying to just analyze this whole moon thing in the launches and everything else and so the astronauts come up with the bags the handbags they were life support bags and so I started going wait a minute so I've gone from I went from the Mercury Apollo I kept going forward all the way to the STS missions no matter what mission I went to I saw that they were coming out with these handbags they were connected to a tube they were connected to their space suit as they climbed up into the launch tower like like Lord Bacal right yeah like Lord Bacal that image that shows an M of them I insight yeah exactly so I started saying maybe it's a possibility I mean we don't know we're all speculating here what's the possibility that those these bags could be life support bags you know adding credence to the fact that these beings were getting in ships and taken off a lot or and flying around the planet as well or maybe needing acclimation to the atmosphere or whatever I don't know but your your theory also is very very interesting and it's possible that it could be a little bit of both it could be technology combined with knowledge and wisdom but the thing the one thing that we do have in common is the fact that they've been found all over the entire planet they're like they're like a signature right they're like a signature of those those uh call them whiz whizder bringers influencers of the past right that's right it links the whole world together and it proves that they were a global civilization and you know there's no more question you can't question it at this point when you find those bags literally have been found on um little artifacts all over the world yeah so it's it basically it gives us the idea of okay so you find this megalithic precise building there's there's one so okay that so that's probably a lost civilization and then you find the hand bags you can you put both of those pieces together and get you have a blueprint to then fall around the world and try to figure things out um and I and I want to I just want to I want to say that um it's really an honor to be able to work with you on this billy because you and I have such similar research um areas that we've studied and and the the concepts and the hypothesis that we've come up with is so similar that it's almost on candy actually when you say yeah I know I I mean it really is it's it's incredible man it's like we're kind of spirits we've been researching along the same path uh even separately and when we come together I get confirmation from you and you get confirmation from me so it's really good to interact like this because I'm like wow you know so the path that I was researching because you know researching it's not an easy thing um a lot of people will just do a couple of google searches but that's not what we do they have no idea we spend countless hours man texts and tablets and pdf files and and everything else and you know uh and trying to piece together this puzzle you know paying a picture for people to look at not that it's the exact correct picture but it's just close to the best that we can do to help you get an idea of what what really happened back then and uh it takes us a lot of time hours away from family away from friends sacrificing uh you know events and so forth and so on to be able to write books and put this kind of information and content out it's just something that's very easy to do so um you know I respect you man I really love your work I'm just happy that I was able to meet you in this lifetime and to be able to share some wisdom with you man I love that thank you Billy that's beautiful it's it's it's an honor to meet you in this lifetime too um and and again it's it's an honor to be considered next to your book as well um you're a very well versed person who is and like you said we both spend a considerable amount of time trying to piece all this together and review it sometimes you can go great amounts of time without finding another one of those little little keys that you're looking for that all of a sudden maybe some passage is some translation connects to another and boom you can put all those together and that's what this is all about and like Billy said we're not trying to say we have all the answers to what happened back then but we we're trying to present the evidence that exists for you giving the theories based on what we've looked at and then you decide to yourself what's real and what happened back then because that's the most important thing of all it's always just a bread come trail where the individual has to be an objective observer of history at all times and try to figure out what the truth is truth is for themselves because we're all going to come to slightly different understandings of what occurred back then and I just want to um I just want to end out with a couple little updates here that um that we're going to Billy and I are planning on doing more stuff in the future like this if you guys like it so please let us know if this is something you enjoy and I just wanted to give a little update on what I've been working on at the end too because I didn't get a chance to but I just wanted to point out that so I spent about last week based on some of the feedback I ended up putting in um sub chapters in the entire book and Billy's book was one of the inspirations behind that I wanted to have helped organize the the information a lot better so I went through and did um a rather large update recently so for those interested check that out um that's that's out now um and I'm hoping that we can try to do something with like a speaking presentation in the future um coming up Billy if we can yeah that'd be great that would that would be fantastic we have to do that we have to do it we will let's get involved in one of those LA type of speaking events yeah and you and I can get in front of a powerpoint and we can really lay out all this evidence and we can we can really put this stuff together I think absolutely and I definitely love would love to have you on my show that I have on dame-studios for Billy Carson gotta get you on the show yeah that would be awesome so um Billy I just I'm gonna give closing closing thoughts and I want to give you a couple closing thoughts but thanks so much for everyone that's that supports my work and Billy's work we really work hard to try to bring these secrets back out but really we also the reason we do this is because we really care about this information we care about the future of where humanity goes and that's the driving um force behind why we really try to make sure we can preserve this legacy of the past so Billy it's been a really great discussion with you my friend absolute man same here I appreciate it man you know we're just here to literally serve mankind we're really of service and I think that's going to create a lot of positive karma or has created a lot of positive karma for us which allows us to continue to do what we do because uh to be able to go down the path that we're on it's not an easy path and it requires a lot of things to fall in line in your life to be able to allow us to do this kind of research and work because the average person just can't do it there's a lot of things going on we understand family kids work every week not that we don't have that stuff but an alignment has allowed us to be able to accomplish these goals and missions to help mankind and I really just want to I thank the universe and I really appreciate the opportunity thanks so much Billy it's been a great discussion until next time my friend all right man see you later