 Welcome back guys, this is UNFINISHED, the only place where we get to finish UNFINISHED matters, we are talking about hooking in the CBD. And on to our next question, do you think allowing hawkers in the CBD to operate results in insecurities? Let me know what you think. Of course yes, they're supposed to make a place where they're supposed to be working daily, not everywhere in the town. Operating, they can just be allowed to operate but there should be restrictions as in there should be charges against pollution. It may or may not because you don't know who is who. Some people disguise themselves as hawkers yet they are not genuine hawkers. There are some other plans, yes, so it depends. Okay, I can say it is not like 100% that all the hawkers are real hawkers. Some of them are not hawkers, some of them have other plans. As for me, I don't think so, because I don't think they are genuine hawkers. Security, okay, as I said earlier congestion brought by hooking in the city can bring, it can increase maybe theft because in congested places you find that thieves can get a good chance to maybe pick pockets, snatching, I think it is brought by congestion in the city, so I think hooking can contribute in a way. I don't know and I don't think so. Unless there is a point or unless it's proven that it is hawkers who maybe pick pockets other people but so far I do not really know who the pick pocketers are. But actually I think I've seen hawkers contribute to pick pocketing, so I think maybe to some extent yes. But unless we pin it down to yes, we've seen the statistics, it's always the hawkers who are selling, yeah, that's when we can pin them down. Well, something just came in my head right now, at times, at times see yes, okay, it's a yes or no answer, yes. So yes they do and to some extent they don't because these are just basically young people and people who are families to feed who are just, who cannot basically afford a rental stall to be able to run their business. So these are people, these are business people like any other business person. Okay I will say 60% yes because not all of them can be trusted because you find some take advantage when you sit at the window, you know they come snatched your phone, others they're just there to do business, so I'll say 60% yes. Also not really because let's say for instance what one has snatched is him at an abounder border, they're not necessarily hawkers. Maybe to some degree I'm not going to buy something from a hawker and as a footer but not much, I'll contribute some not to insecurity, yeah. What we're able to do is to see hawkers. In security, No, you know first of all hawkers are traders, they're businessmen. The difference between hawkers and other businessmen is that, But according to me, insecurities come out easy and hawkers have the end on it because we're all purposely put after do. And security and easy is very different from hawking. Just as the past question I'll say 80%, because most of them, when you look at the business they actually operate, some are genuine but some you can't understand, maybe they can get another location, they can go do business there and then when you follow most of these people, maybe some are engaged in these criminal activities but some are not, but I think they should just be controlled. If they are controlled then the issue of insecurity, the issue of overcrowding can be dealt with. I don't think so. Okay, they are doing their own business. It doesn't result to the insecurity in the CBD. Maybe other people can interrupt the things that happen in the CBD that will lead to insecurity. Somehow, yeah, but see the same everywhere. See the same and they cause insecurities because it's not like they come following people. It's only that they are just along the pavements so when you are interested in whatever they are selling, then you can approach them and purchase things from them. So I don't think it's causing insecurities. Some are harassing people and pickpocketing. Like, some of them are going to go bankrupt. Some of them are confused. They have their friends there who are pickpocketing us. So some of them are going to go bankrupt. We wake up in the morning, we are not going to concentrate on someone, and that's why some of them are going to go bankrupt. So they contribute much. When you are in the streets, them as well as the staff, so that they are able to help others to get back to the house, chances of being picked up will increase. There is no security here, there is no government. There's no protection. There's no police, there's no work, there's no city council, so there's no security because security is not my thing. For instance, if you want to say that I'm not your thing, let's not defend as a lady. Let's say I'm a man. If I were a snitch, I wouldn't do that. No, no. So, security is not my thing. Security is not my thing. No, no. I don't care. Security is not my thing. It depends on which way. It depends on where you live, where you live, where you live. Security is not my thing. Security is not my thing. It depends on where you live. Security is not my thing. So, security depends with yourself. Me and you. I don't feel like allowing hawkers in the CBD is a way of letting insecurity into Kenyans because we do have people who disguise themselves as hawkers even though they're not. And then later you find yourself in Kilimani if you know you know. But then again, I feel like it's the government's responsibility to make sure that we as Kenyans are safe. Onto our next question. Do you think hawkers should have specific hours to walk in the CBD? I think so. They're supposed to be given particular time for walking and their place to be. In CBD. Yeah, they should be given specific time. According to my opinion, they should be given specific time. Because maybe due to security, there's a security pair who are not allowed to work at a time, a speculated time to cut out their business. Not specific hours. They should be put in a designated place not even specific hours. They should have their places to operate on, not in the CBD. When you talk of designated hours when you tell them on Sundays you'll be in town they'll be cares in town. So they should be having a designated place. These people in this region operate here. They're not specific hours. They should be allowed to work in the CBD. They should have their place to operate on, not in the CBD. They should have their place to operate on, not in the CBD. They should be given specific time. Yeah, definitely. Because these are people who are fighting for their families. Some people, these are daily jobs. This is what they depend on to feed on, to collect rent, you understand. So this is something that they should strategize the government plus the hawkers. They should have specific hours to work, you understand. Maybe in the city, the city is busy. Maybe, and I think the better resolution to that to be, maybe having points for these hawkers to do their sales. If they're spending on the roadside, if it is possible for the county government to maybe have like a market for them, I think that would be much better because I think they're trying to maybe find something to put on their table, and that could be their only means to do in it. So instead of having specific hours to stand by the roadside, if it could be possible to have specific points for them to sell their products, that would be much better. I feel they should be given specific hours just like any other normal business. They should be allowed at least to run from morning hours to five because I mean that's their job. So it should be treated like any other employment. It's just that theirs will be self-employed. No, no, no. I would not support that because he knows his time best. So he knows where to open, when to close. Not really. Not really. There's a time when people say that it's not good to be at home. It's not good to be at home. So maybe it's not good to be at home. It's not good to be at home. It's not good to be at home. It's not good to be at home. They can just hook at any time but in an orderly manner. Of course I don't agree. Because when you hookers they are normal citizens and you cannot limit someone to do business at a specific time. But if that time that you have been specified and timing maybe personally I'm saying that hookers should be allowed to trade or to do their business the whole day. I mean to the same other traders. So me I cannot encourage government to give hookers a specific time because they are Kenyans and at the end of the day they have to put food on their table. So they are supposed to be allowed as long as they have paid tax and they are followed the guidelines. They are supposed to be given the full time, the full mandate to do their trading compared to other businessmen. 80%. Because when they have the hour then the issue of control now will come in because they will be knowing that from this point to this point this time frame will be having hookers so we should be taking control of them we should be ensuring their security there should be cleanliness of the area. So I think they should be controlled. Yeah. That will help at least will assist to decongest the CBD at least in certain circumstances. Yeah. I agree especially when it's rush hours it causes a lot of commotion and it causes a lot of commotion and it causes a lot of commotion and it causes a lot of commotion and it causes a lot of commotion because you never know when someone will buy from a hook so they should work every time and if they have freedom they can work anytime because they might find a customer at morning so they should work anytime. Anytime they can sell anytime because we don't know when someone needs anything. They are allowed to wanna fuck one anytime they want to. To my view, I don't think that is right because maybe you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know you know time factor doesn't matter because you can work anytime So on my opinion I do feel like designated hours can work but it's better if they are designated places they can work from morning to evening avoiding cares So we have come to the end of this show thank you for watching thank you for staying tuned do not forget to engage with us and do not forget to follow me your host SK Gichanga till next time, bye