 Good morning again. Let's get into the papers on of the press this morning. The punch needs paper has this as its headline federal government releases fresh debtors list November 77 oil firms oh two point six six trillion Naira firms failed to remate petroleum profit tax income tax education tax that others Well partner in EFCC NFR you to recover two point six six trillion Naira from oil firms says agency Also next in votes thirty six billion Naira for SMEs Export business in 36 states Northern governors on the fire over silence as Kaduna death toll hits 51 Also, this one says petrol landing cost now 278 Naira says mom and could riches 80 dollars Vaccination Senate's to probe my tripping of Nigerian travelers in Ghana Only Lagos rivers and I'm back and survive on IGR vats and that's according to reports also on the punch needs paper Jude Invictus OB says it's an insult to compare him to hush puppy Develop undersea ports decongest a papa gridlock a carry the loot health federal government Sarah key in Missola tackle quarrel government over demolition of local government library Police comb waterways others to free abducted retired general in Lagos Sheites clash with soldiers police in a Booja alleged eight members killed Restructuring only solution must be done before 2023 a fenifery insist And also the daily independent Newspapers big one there says 77 oil firms All federal government 2.6 trillion Naira as it borrows for budget deficit Also, sheites and police disagree and death of eight. I am in members after clash Reps probe NYC colon call members to prepare ransom Before leaving home And also second is no longer an issue PDP insist to meet with jennathon IPO be an other separatist agitators to join October 1st seat at home or other IPO be asked other Separatist agitators to join October 1st seat at home our prizes rise above $80 per barrel for the first time in in three years Senate moves to repeal the electricity power sector reform act And also 2023 presidency don't set nation on fire northern youths one southern and northern governors Middle-Belt forum blasts northern governments for opposing power rotation and other governors position violates the Constitution says at Digbo Rua Supreme Court of Kaua Mon Justice of Seiji and You of course here in Lagos governor song will lose says attackers of security agencies will face justice Those are the stories on the daily independent Let's turn to the leadership newspaper power shifts Northern governors divided over Kaduna declaration Middle-Belt youths disown northern governors traditional rulers Resolution portends bleak future Nigeria collapsing on the northern leadership that's according to ohan easy and the EFC fires back says they're sick Also on the leadership oil production Nigeria struggling to meet 1.7 million barrels per day OPEC quota President Muhammad Buhari approves 159 new radio and TV stations a Meese defection rumor P. L. P invites Jonathan to convention Supreme Court loses second justice in six months Security agents are informants to criminals that's according to the CG of the NS CDC Senate reps in supremacy battle over bills conference six killed as Sheites clash with army and police in Abuja. Those are the stories on the leadership newspaper And on the Guardian seven seven oil firms all Nigeria six point four billion six point four eight billion dollars and made continuous borrowing Nigeria's debt may hit 40 trillion Naira by 2022 And it says also outstanding tax enough to offset budget deficit says ex CITN boss Still on the Guardian world hearts day experts warned on spiking heart disease cases and deaths And an umbrella LP give an entire candidates whereabouts unknown Still on the Guardian this morning. Oh, and as a tasks northern leaders on unity Nigeria survival a fenifera It's not a northern governors Back southerners and power shift vat collection again headers kill nine in autumn's local government Lead mine collapses on three lead miner bigger pardon Senate directs local more to a multinational oil gas firms to relocate to operational basis And I think finally here editors urge governors to emulate bill on media empowerment Those are the major stories that we can find on the papers this morning. Good morning to mr. A demo la King Bala publisher of the podium media. Thanks for joining us. Good morning. Thank you Nice way again. Yeah, I think we can start with the Shiites and the security agencies issue in a booger that has Reportedly less led to the loss of another eight lives. I'm not sure if you've seen any clips and feedback from that Well, these things Don't seem to surprise or shock us any longer these days. I mean, it's going to see where We we all we do is just resign to faith and we just can't the number of casualties Okay, because almost every week. There's something going on killing Zamfara cardinal the whole of the The northern part of the country is just on the siege and just unfortunate and what I don't understand is Why hasn't the governments of these states declare a state of emergency? Kaduna especially Okay, the same area by that all of this is happening under his nose I'm to poke nose into what is going on in the south as time to play politics with people's lives and All of this is going on and you haven't Trotted feet to the class of magazine get the soldiers onto the street to restore normalcy to ensure that lives are safe So for me, I mean Even before the end of this program we may hear of another attack. So it's like we are just used to it I mean, it shouldn't be but we are used to it and it just shows That that's truly the federal government the state government have lost control of the sickle situation in the country I don't think we need to look further. I mean Well, that's the Kaduna issue I think I think the story is mostly referring to a protest or a walk yesterday by Shiites in Abuja that eventually Of course led to loss of lives again when the police and the army attacked these protesters And reportedly fired live rounds at them. There's also reports that they took some of the bodies away There's also a video clip that was posted by a moale show or a that showed Some army members Okay Then you want to look at the underlying issues. How did we get to state where he shared that become so powerful? Remember two or three years ago was a bloody class The leader was was was was arrested and jailed and it's like they are back more powerfully and you just look at it Casual estate is not big. How come it's so difficult for government to govern that means not a big test Really, it's not as big as It just shows that the volatility in Cardinal state It is a secret to probably poor Governance or that the fact that the governor has distanced himself from the people so something needs to be done Katoona wasn't like this before yet It's only been out beds of radicalism and then and Controversy, but it's not in big bad like this card. You know it but anyone used to be the regional out beds But cardinal in recent times seems to have really The things have gone a wire. So for me, I think if I don't go mention the places of magazine in Katoona state And let's see how this will work Okay, so across the papers this morning What's made headlines is the fact that 77 oil firms? I'm currently all the federal government the sum of 2.6 trillion Naira So when we look at how it's stated on the punch these paper It went into explain that these states are all in the federal government as much as 2.66 trillion Naira Because they failed to remit petroleum profit tax Education tax that and others. What do you say to this? Are we having challenges with how we collect this taxes? The first question you want to ask is how did it happen? How did it happen at the beginning to a stage where so much is being owed? Okay, then you want to call into question the efficiency of FIRS the efficiency of the state's Internet revenue services also and It it it shows that that's a high level of pollution and conspiracy Going on between official service revenue collection agencies and the state government. It's something that we know even in the private sector Legals if you will receive a Charger invoice from LIRS you can negotiate it a portion of it goes to the officials a small portion goes to the government conference So we know this things happen and my question is how did we get to a state where there's so much is being owed and Also, this may support argument for fiscal federalism. Okay, let's get a local government get more involved Okay, let them control revenue collection. If you know that this revenue you're collecting is is what you will spend I think people will be more serious. We will be more honest and trust to them Well, because why do you collect the money? They're limited into the federal mode They don't seem happy with what comes back to them. So it's like, okay Let's sit on this money and if for the oil firms to we need to find out how did they get to this state? And these are the leakages not allowed major economy to go forward This is we're looking about almost three trillion nearer here enough money to finance the budget enough money to reduce Borrowing Okay, and you you you want to ask how long will this take for this is Recovered in what the list is ours. We will see litigations All sorts of delayed taxes will be deployed by the debtors And maybe for the next three years we're going to be on this So, I mean I I live in a place where you cannot even owe Accommodation bill for more than a month Electricity you can't even owe the system detects and dig up knocking off But in Nigeria, I'm sure this is not the debt that I put overnight. It has been there for over the years Accumulating and accumulating and some folks in the government must have been receiving One form of Education or the other to surprise this So I'm happy that this has come into the open. The next question is how do we get this done? How do we quit? There will be a lot of controversies people are going to be querying and they're going to be Outing they're going to be dishelling some of these debts That's what I say for the next two or three years This or something is to be done for me. We need to decentralize the federal in and revenue service It's the part of the problem that the center is too powerful in Nigeria The center is too powerful and the consistent units are not happy because look at the vast controversy You send so much to a budget and you get so little Other states that don't even send as much as you send they get more than you do So that cannot hold That's where we need to look at structuring and fiscal federalism to ensure that states Become more committed to revenue generation because they know the money is called back to them. They are the ones that will spend the money All right Also on the daily independent there's something about the october 1st Celebration says ipob asks are there separatist groups or agitators to join october 1st sit at home Mr. Kimala, what do you think? Do you you know see any Linkage between these separatist groups or will Nigerians maybe also bind to the idea of the ipob sit at home to If you if you evaluate ipob activities in the satsis the last woman You realize that the sit at home has been quite effective I do get interest with fog there from time to time and there's so much confusion It's like they give them two or three days to go to the market and all that but High people be asked no rights to ask people not to go out. I mean that's part of the breakdown in security They were talking about people have their rights to free movement ipob at any fairly any Regional association has no right to ask not to go out So maybe you want to find out, okay Previously how has this been complied with and I will say on foot native people do comply People do comply because what ipob does is to go ahead and aggressively and violently enforce this order Okay, they get people arrested. They get people picking up. They get people dehumanized just to ensure compliance So police you do something about this No issue statement that people should go about another business and ensure there are enough policemen on the streets To ensure that people are not molested or Or dehumanized so for me, it's it's it's another sign of the fact that who owns Nigeria Government is not in control That's the truth Government is not in control because if ipob is truly prescribed the ipob should not be Issuing orders that will be disaffective But do you do you know see any? You know sense in the other separatist groups Binding to that idea not forcing people now, but looking at siten at home as it's uh as their own form of protesting And you know encouraging people to also do same The city siten at home has never worked I said it on this program a couple weeks ago It ought the economy it ought the people because I don't know today We do know how the capacity to see through Nigeria is a country where we start an agitation and it it it's just tears of time And you begin to wonder what have we gained? I remember 2014 Uh occupied occupied Nigeria. I was in Nigeria. I was going After the 40 people started bringing music that are bringing food and that was the end of the agitation So sit at home as never worked and I wouldn't expect the other groups to join because it it it makes no sense Really is that I find it very interesting people should stay at home in Lagos in all of South Wales We are going to bring the economy to its knee And people are the ones that will suffer It's suffering is much better. It's not really it. I don't think they should join it. It makes no sense So this backstory really has been trending for the past few weeks and we know the origins Yeah, but the reports by budget Um has you know done its analysis and came up with a report that says that Only Lagos rivers and anambra states can survive on their internally generated revenue and that and that the rest of the country Really would fall behind economically So the question is what's Lagos doing differently and how can these are the states, you know Develop prosperity in their country in their states regarding their finances Yeah, this this is something that we've always known over the years that most of the states are not viable The states are political creations Um and back to about to satisfy the desires of politicians I mean and we know Lagos is viable today because Lagos used to be the commercial center of Nigeria Okay I mean it it it it it commercial center is used to combine both Until ibb move the capital to auto to a budget So Lagos is very good. There are so many businesses in Lagos And we are even saying what Lagos is collecting Nigeria today is even probably 10 percent of what Lagos should be collecting Okay, so there are so many businesses in Lagos and it is so easy for Lagos To have a lot of money coming in and the same thing with rivers states oil companies Other businesses are there and we say look must we have 36 days? No As part of the software and maybe we need to be going to my state because The the the states are just in a mess remember shortly before where they came in most of the states could not pay salaries And I think if if if something is not done we may go back to that state now the states are not viable There's not that they can they're not viable another thing we need to look at is The the the profile of public expenditure at these states What they are carrying is it it's it's insane. I mean Look at most of the states they spend over 70 percent of what they earn They spend it on paying civil servants They spend it on recurrent expenditure So they have little or nothing to spend on capital projects. They can't do anything But then they pay civil servant. They have little or nothing left That's what the problem and this guy had in Oslo state. I like that When you refuse to pay civil servant say look you are not the only people in the state We meet money for development purposes and eventually it worked against him So Lagos is very what are so many there's nothing different But Lagos is doing Lagos is just riding and leveraging on the fact that it is viable so many people are That too many companies are operating there. So many businesses are operating there and there's a population So often these other states do since you know that merger might not be on the table at the moment Yes, so what the state should do is to want to to clock leakages That suit the leakages in all the states, okay That leakages in all the states clock the leakages Find a way and primer people Put policies in place to ensure that you you capture the local government should be more involved in revenue collection They know these people right outside legal say they know them very well They know the business they run and corruption should also be reduced We can say exterminated but it should be reduced In these states where we complain that they are not viable the money that they are making what percentage goes to government coffers Maybe 30 percent So corruption needs to be checked They need to put in place measures to clock leakages. Okay. They need to bring everybody into the tax net A lot of businesses are not registered and they're making money Okay, because of the fact that we still rely so much on cash Transactors in Nigeria, but there are no records And when the people when businesses are registered when they don't have bank account You can't even know that they are making money or not So we need to work with the CAC to ensure that businesses must be registered before they operate That way we will have records. We will be able to track Their their their tax liabilities and we will be able to get more people paying tax So those are the things the other states should also do All right, some other thing, you know that has made major discussions in the last few weeks It's on the 2023 presidency. It says here on the daily independent Don't set nation on fire Northern youths one southern and northern governors and also the middle belt forum blast northern governors forum for opposing power rotation Yeah I said last week that we don't have a nation. We don't have a country. We just have loose units coming together calling themselves states 2020 is going to be very interesting. What the northern um leaders the hemias governors whether they they they are playing A game that's going to burn Their finger and that will burn the country. Okay. Yes The constitution does not support power rotation, but morally Morally, that is what we should be doing. We've had 80 years of the nuts It is inconceivable that the nuts want to have power again to interfere Some people say oh, I don't care merits. Let the best. Yes, but we have good people in the south too Okay, there's no section of the country that has a monopoly of producing good candidates And in in the interest of fairness and equity If 80 years We are beyond that northern rule. Let the south also have a shot And that is why we need to go back to the issue of restructuring. There are too many issues And you and you look at northern governors. They oppose virtually everything open grazing. They opposed it That they opposed it power rotation. They opposed it And you begin to wonder are we in the same country? No country can make progress as long as they strive among the leaders So if the leaders if the people that we look up to to take us to the promised land if they quarrel openly If they if if if if they issue inflammatory statements, then what do they expect the followers to do? So everybody has lost hope lost confidence in them and That's not how people say let's go back to the drawing board Yeah, but I hope that Leaders of the two political parties Reason would prevail and something sensible will be done. I do not think that we'll consider this way Yeah, but I I wanted to also speak on you know, one of the you know Riders to that story and where it's the middle belt forum Saying that they're not in agreement with the northern elders forum and whoever else, you know, is is creating those narratives Um, and why i'm asking that is because a lot of times when the north is talking about It's numbers and you know, it's control and you know and some of all of that It seems like they always pull in numbers from the middle belt and from you know, all those other regions and you know assume Those numbers are inclusive included to theirs And so how important it is for the different segments and sections in the country to be able to identify themselves and say You know, this is our stance and we we're not in any way a part of this plan Yeah, yeah, you you recall that the middle base has never really seen itself as part of that They've they've over the years fought this battle for recognition for a distinct identity So i'm not surprised that they are coming at us. The middle base has become the beautiful bright Okay, that's what they're trying to position themselves to be they will never go within north Okay, and talking about the game of numbers The the northern governors are just living in self-delusion because your numbers will not be enough at the end of the day remember president boyari contested three or four times I mean relying basically on not and what he didn't get it So there will always be need for alliance between the north and the south reasonable positive alliance so I I don't think any section of the country should arrogant political relevance to itself Okay, you would we all need each other the north needs the south the south needs the north and the middle base Because of his strategic importance, we continue to be the beautiful bright Okay, it used to be the south east but the south east is so fragmented and so and and and so disorganized now that You don't even know where they belong So 2020 will see the middle base Imagine as as a force of recognition because over the years they've they've been able To to achieve a distinct entity and don't forget that the killings in banyan state all of this will come into play Okay, these are factors that will determine the direction that the middle base will go in 2023 That's that's where look at it. All right. So since we're talking about 2023 let's look at something that's on the daily independent newspaper and it says that Um Second is no longer an issue pdp insists to meet with jonathan. I also see that earlier on the punch newspaper It says that a mid defection rumors that the pdp has invited jonathan to their convention Um, let's take a look at the issue with jonathan and the pdp because we know how much of a role he's played in international community You know ever since his tenure as president and how it seems that there's a there seems to be a clamor for him to come back And run for 2023. Do you see that likelihood happening in the next few months? For me it it it's shameful It's shameful that pdp after 80 years is voting on to jonathan as as one of its viable options because These same men that practically run the country are grand Although today people say oh things were better under jonathan than what they actually but Which other jonathan worry if they haven't done very well. So for me pdp would would would would be Um, I put it pdp would not appear to be Will not be to be a serious for choco party if jonathan is one they are touting to be They are the number one candidate and I I I don't think that this kite flying will not work It's not something we should dissipate too much time and I don't even see jonathan winning the party's ticket I really don't see him winning the ticket You you you realize that he came into government I want to say by default following the death of yahadua and of course he used our equivalency to win the election I do not think that's good Good man gentlemen I don't think he had it was too loud to win the president to win the president for the pdp It'll make a big mistake. He's not it's not it's not a kind of the pdp should be looking at now Um, go on and share your thoughts on the possibility of him Defecting even you know and what you know how this you know would um hit the pdp or the apc or the nandrian people One nothing nothing is impossible when it comes to politics in nigeria But quite frankly Dr. Jonathan is not a political force set that end of the party should joso to have That's my opinion. He's he's not I mean Just like fanica or the join apc Will go to be the impact. He can't even win a election in front of his house So there are some political people which that you don't even want to waste time on An opportunity does a jonathan His profile as ex-president is what everybody's looking at But we need to look at the viability of Candidature as a president He's not going to fly It won't fly Will it also will it also matter if it even if he's not Being used as a candidate, but simply defecting, you know, and how much damage would that do to the you know Stands that the pdp currently has and also to his own political future Little or no damage Donald Jonathan leaving the pdp Would would would accept the pdp is not really serious and they are not structured or organized for the 2020 election Let me tell you the next election is for the pdp to lose If if they put their house in order, they have everything going for them It would just be the way it was in 2015 In 2015 negilas wanted anybody except jonathan They wanted anybody except pdp and say the way the country is now Nigerians want any party except apc So the pdp needs to look beyond the jonathan the pdp needs to organize itself and begin a massive Mobilization campaign people want to change People want to change and the apc the change the apc has brought is a negative change So people want to change and since there are two viability parties Nigerians don't mind going back to pdp But it depends on which candidate so jonathan leaving the pdp Will not will not cause any damage. I mean jonathan joining the apc I don't see the value is going to act beyond the hype in the media. Yeah Politically now it's not going to have much. Okay on the front page of the punch list paper There's a story that says that the negzim votes 36 billionaire for sms export business in 36 states. So basically The nigerian export import Bank has gone on to say that It has voted the minimum of one billionaire for sms in each state of nigeria This is good news. Definitely. Especially those who are in the export business But let's look at, you know, where we're coming from regarding how these monies Are disbursed, you know, there's always that concern really isn't it about if the money would finally go to the people It's intended for that's the businesses, right? You know export Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean I always like to adopt a realistic approach to issues in nigeria This money has been voted on paper with the money is there. But in reality Who can confidently say the money will go to the right places? Just like the way it works in the band the cbn comes out to say, oh We spend so much money on a great development with different farmers. Who which farmers are you giving the money to? The same with commercial bank will say, oh, we've advanced credit worth x y z To the sms and yet The economy is not growing. So where's the money going to the money is going to the hands of importers Importers who put so much pressure on our foreign exchange. And that's why the problem is Monitoring is a big problem in the public sector niger. Nobody monitors anything. Nobody. So next in Your on paper is doing well The amount voted sounds good is a tidy song But let them go a step further to ensure that this money gets to the right hands again How do we register and monitor sms in nigeria? We don't keep records We don't keep records Okay, I do not know if the cbn sm department has accurate records of five sms in this country A lot of businesses are registered on paper simply because people want to take advantage of Funds like this not because they really want to do anything So we need to be very tight which are monitoring We need to be very tight with the registration of sms Viabilities keep people with five tax returns If you register a business here, you have to find your tax returns If you don't make any money, you still have to find a return in nigeria. This doesn't happen so good on paper My concern is how do we ensure that this money is used for the purpose for which it is intended All right Let's move over. Well, still on the daily independent apparently there's a lot of stories that we haven't touched yet there's one here that I would call the lizard hilarious and it says the reps probe nyse's call on call members To prepare ransom before leaving home Just made headlines sometimes last week where of course parts of the nyse booklet There was you know, some places that were stated that you know You may want to prepare your own ransom and if you are kidnapped to you know, build a relationship with your kidnappers Ask them their hobbies, you know, and they'll be friends so Was this statement not denied by nyse Well, that's why the senate that's why the senate is investigating, you know the matter If if the ys has already denied what are you investigating? That's because you are jobless. There are better things to investigate Okay, if it was something that was issued in the mainstream media and that's what we have to very careful with social media And I do not expect the reps to take everything they read in the social media as as as as the gospel truth There's no with the ys who is such a statement. It's not possible It's not the nyse necessarily that put out a statement like that I think it's you know people that were taking screenshots from the booklet nyse booklet That is given to them. Yeah. Yeah, but the nyse had the responsibility To to add that confirm It is mr. Kimball. He's actually confirmed that it is in the nyse handbook He's in the nyse handbook. Yes. He was added to the nyse handbook Uh, that's so that's that's so unfortunate and whoever is responsible should be solution So maybe the answer first is right after all to investigate it um to to to maybe That conscience should have been calmed in a better way really But not to say paper to paper and some you could have something like please stay safe avoid going to places alone and stuff like that and and It's caused to question the level of supervision that public officers do have Someone in the public living department Should have seen that put up a booklet before it was printed Line by line editing and all that so it it's it's a shame actually If it was established that it it's it's contained in the booklet and um Whoever is fond to be responsible should actually uh be punished but but This statement as bad as it is is a truth That's the unfortunate thing is a truth In that you know, that's what I was going to you know, so isn't isn't this a good time to now have conversations on um nyse post into certain areas in the country and maybe also a suspension of the scheme for a year until we can figure it out Absolutely. I have even proud to now I've always advocated is crapping on the screen or reduction to just three months The nyse as it was originally structure are intended as lost israeli violence It's just a waste of time keep people there for one year the combat Nothing has been in really so Let us ensure that students serve in their state of origin They should start in states where they have gone to school That's not what is the adventure about it's no fun again What what miss saki? But lots of people would disagree with you people like myself to be honest who I would definitely say that in my career journey my post into adamaa state Was really the nudge that you know threw me into television journalism. I had been in radio all along How many years ago this was in 2017 in the height of the bokram insurgency in adamaa state I mean bombs are going off in adamaa state people call me to say are you safe? No, well, that's what that's what i'm saying that yes time time seem to have changed, right? So we can advocate for for for people who like me who benefited from the scheme, right? It's definitely is not the same for everybody. We could maybe say let's suspend this too We have our security on check, right? But to say that the scheme should be totally scrapped or for people to be posted to their states And I don't I don't really know much about that Let me tell you if you if if you ask parents in Nigeria today Do you want your Son or daughter to go for NYC in in the north? 95 percent will tell you no You will tell you at the end of the day. What is the benefit? NYC in those days Was an avenue for you to know the country to learn to get exposed These days is it the same experience? No, it's not It's not In those days, you will be gainfully Employed as an NYC member. Everybody was busy These days they don't do anything They get posted to companies. They are rejected right from day one. So for the 12 months these poor guys They will rob the street doing nothing So we need to have a conversation around the continued relevance of NYC in Nigeria It's not enough to have it simply because you also have it Let's reduce it to three months So six months of intensive vocational skills acquisition The skills that these guys will need to survive in life What's the point in going for NYC for 12 months? You come back. You can't get a job So that Period that you've gone can we convert it to a period of Knowledge acquisition for them Equipment with the skills life skills Skills that big that they will use to survive skills that will not make them to be liabilities onto their families That is my deal You don't need to get simply because it's nice to do no Beyond the security challenge that we're going to Where she's he's not adding any value. That is my argument And I'm ready to advance this Most parents don't even want their kids to go Do you know the amount of corruption that takes place in NYC today? as people Manipulate the posting everybody wants to stay in Lagos if I'm not a butcher So the purpose has been defeated Most people the school in those days they end up serving on those days the school in Lagos they end up serving Lagos So the idea As as passed by the family fathers has been defeated. That's my point Okay, and we spend so much money on it. What are we what is negra gaining from nyc? What are the students gaining from nyc? Maybe we may maybe we should have a live debate and sample the piano parents And and and the students because they are they are the ones that are directly involved here Okay, so we we need to incorporate their views. So you went because You probably you your case was just maybe an isolated case of oh you went you had a nice time People have very torrid experience of nyc These are people that will stay at home for three four months waiting for back be patsy or whatever nonsense, but Three months wasted at home. There are other 12 months Then they come and there's no job almost 18 months wasted in the life of a woman being It's going to happen in Nigeria We think people stand too much So for me shortening to a three month intensive program What what of all the village training that they are going through in camp? Is not not not Rising every day. Let's train them survivor skills in the competitive environment Give them intensive Three months six months training programs and give them certificates that employers of labor will recognize all over the world That is the direction. I think we should go ahead and see Okay, all right. Let's let's still talk in security. Um, the nscdc Cg here says security agents are informants to criminals Um, you know, it might be a little indignant in here, but you know share your thoughts quickly Are you surprised? Are you surprised? It has always been with us It's always been with us As far back as the days of an any remember in those states A top police officer. I can't remember his name now for the informant. It's always been like that It's always been like that And because corruption has taken over the entire fabric of Nigerian nation You cannot even rule it out any longer in those days We used to have as isolated cases a police officer supplying amrobars with ammunition, but today is big business Because the average policeman claims to be hungry claims to be underpaid Okay, no insurance no welfare. The police barracks are not well kept the children are not happy So tell me why it won't take the grace of God for an average security officer not to collude With with with criminals. They would do it willingly. So I'm not surprised because It's it's a chain reaction in Nigeria You look at the way things are right from the way the students go to school They pay through they pay lecturers Okay to pass exams They pay to get posted to choice states They get to to They pay they stay in Lagos and they are serving a dosage on paper, but he or she is in Lagos When he finishes school He pays to get employment in a budget in some federal agencies people pay as much as 1.5 million I don't know if you've heard so all our handouts were urged by Corruption So the the policeman is also a member of the young society. He's not an exception The the the the security forces are not insured from corruption. So I'm not surprised I'm not surprised. I thought this this has been happening over the years But maybe more and more it is coming to the open The security forces have always been conniving and colluding with criminals in Nigeria. It's always been happening Long long long before now And we've had other experts on the show who says this really just shows a lack of petrism And that these guys just get into this force because you know, they were unemployed I was speaking to a policeman just yesterday who told he was just telling me the history of how he got into the police That he was just at home and his uncle called him to say do you want to work in the police force? This man told me he said, okay. Well, how'd that happen? Just having a conversation and you know, these new recruits passed by and he said this guy's driving or walking pass and doing their Match that did you see the police call for any recruitment that no that's how it happened for him His uncle simply called him to say do you want to work in the police force? He never did any exam never did anything they just posted him to bouchie or one of those states He did his training for six or 12 months and he was employed to Lagos So really we see things like this where it's not because you're passionate about serving Nigeria It's not because you want to eradicate crime or you know, just serve It's simply because it's an employment scheme. And why do we keep having this corruption in recruitment in law enforcement agencies Exactly. Exactly. In addition to that, when we talk about patriotism, patriotism is a relative term It's a relative term What amount of patriotism to you may not amount to patriotism to somebody else Patriotism only happens where government has fulfilled its own side agreed No country is ever able to satisfy people 100 percent But to a reasonable extent Any government must take care of citizens before you talk about patriotism. Otherwise, you're just gonna Mouth in it. Okay. Nigeria is a country where people don't even understand the meaning And the spirit behind the words of national anthem and the national pledge In other countries, it's not like that Okay, because we don't care. So you go into the police force. It's an employment platform You've been home for years. We're not going because we're passionate For the country So you are not going to put your life on the line for anybody At the drop of the hand, you want to make money out of every situation And that's the unfortunate thing So if it was to be in a country where oh where you join the police force, you know that you are made for life Your family will never suffer. In america where you join the army Six months you become a citizen something that takes other people four or five years Okay, so they make everything so easy for you, but the screening is rigorous The background checks is super The character checks is it is it is on top So that way you reduce the number of undesirable elements that find their way into the armed forces It's not happening in Nigeria. It's not happening That's why you find a lot of police officers Even the way they dress, you know, this one used to be an aggro. It used to be a tout It is just so unfortunate. So yes The recruitment position needs to be looked into so that we we make sure that we only get people who are passionate about About serving economy and to the welfare needs to be looked into We can't shunt enough of the need for us to take care of look at the other day Amino Masarei was saying oh Bandits have outnumbered What they call it security personnel That is not true What he meant to say is that bandits are more passionate about their own business than the security people Okay. Yeah, that's the truth because if you if if they say There's a gunshot There's a likelihood that the policeman will be refused to disappear They'll be the first to run away So it it is not about passions about commitment. It's not about patriotism, which is not happening in Nigeria at all levels at all levels Okay, now let's move on talk a little bit about the economy. Um, you know, there's uh, I'm reports of uh oil prices hitting 80 dollars a barrel It says it's the first time it's happened in, you know, since the current administration has gone to power Is this something that we should celebrate? Um, and does this also spell or, you know, better You know figures for our economy and of course for our budget Yeah, it's it's something worth celebrating As long as we do not get carried away because it's not wood yet Oil price at 80 dollars OPEC has said oil will remain the major force of energy since 2045 So yes, but that doesn't mean that we should keep relying on it Okay, even if you get to 120 dollars Look at the budget shortfall. Look at the deficit that we've got Look at the borrowing profile. Look at the amount of test that we have to pay So good news is gone up, but we should continue to be moderate We should continue to ensure that there's there's high terrain on public spending And that's an area that we haven't really um halved on The public spending is too huge We spend to the american prestation system that we're copying is too expensive for us We can't go we cannot maintain it Okay, so yes, I'm happy oil price is going up at the same time our spending must go down There are two ways to make profit in life When doing business instead of you make more money or you reduce your expenses So as a country we can make more money and also reduce our expenses Oil price going to 80 dollar is not a license for us to continue to spend recklessly We do spend reckless nature If we manage the little we have we shouldn't be in this mess Even if oil price is 50 dollars my brother if we manage it very well, we will not be in this mess So it's good for the price to go up, but more importantly we need to put a lid on our public spending We're wasting too much money nature On the lower left Corner of the daily independent newspaper there's a story here that says senate moves to repeal electricity power reform sector at So basically they're saying that they're taking steps to Basically improve the epileptic power supply in Nigeria And then the this you know bill to repeal this 2005 electricity reform act Skilled second reading at yesterday's plenary and they say the bill Tries to do so many things number one to consolidate all legislations about the power sector into one power Electricity start huge to also include renewable energy into it. So the question I really want to ask you is Would you say what we're lacking is laws in Nigeria regarding power education this and that or it's about the implementation Hmm both Both at the level of Preparing the laws We we place personal interests over national interest If we look at the the the power act the unbundling of NEPA Is is a huge national disgrace The way it was done It's shameful. So in Nigeria people make laws to satisfy their own personal interests Okay All over the world. Yes companies do lobby To ensure favorable laws, but not to the point That a whole nation is brought down to its knees because of the interest of the few people Look at what happens with by coordinating with legacy by that's first way Government officials they go into some silly agreement that you wonder how was this able I mean, how did this happen? So it's good that the bill has passed a condition and i'm i'm praying that if we go the old To become a law to be ascended by the president We need to review the entire law and guide the operation of the power center It it it is a whole lot of mess Deliberately put in place to satisfy the desires of those who who who bought NEPA The desires of those who control the business of our generation in Nigeria So yes formulation of law There are too many loopholes the implementation also has always been a problem with us All over the world They are if anyone's telling me to look we also like to drive through red lines We do not like to stop our traffic like junctions But when you think of the implication of being caught then you will do it So it is the consequences of people's actions that we need to look at in Nigeria People get away with too much Breach of the law and nothing happens simply because you know someone who knows or who knows someone But the system needs to put in place whereby when you breach the law you get punished you get sanctioned And it will serve as a deterrent to other people So at two levels why the law has been formulated We do look at the Petroleum Industry Act that we're talking about Okay The president has sent it back for amendment And you wonder it took us over 19 years to put this together and this is the best that we can come up with So at the level of formulating the laws we do not do due diligence deliberately so We deliberate to overlook a lot of things that will benefit the country rather we make the laws We make it so loose that there are so many escape routes. There are so many loopholes operators to exploit Look at even the telecom sector the same thing. Why has NCC become so ineffective? Because the laws are so loose that NCC have to go to court to challenge NCC So the power sector we need a new set of laws that will put power in the hands of the people Okay, you pay for electricity. You don't get service. You should get some refund. You should get some some form of uh how to call it Consolidation But it's not happening It is a seller's market. So that needs to change right finally So yes, I hope the rest will go to you or get to the city and we should be able to have a new law That will clearly spell out the deliverables on the part of the operators That will clearly spell out exactly what we expected from them and I will clearly define sanctions Okay, operators should face sanctions when they breach the terms of their contract Thank you. All right All right, I'm a lacking. Well, I thank you so much. Um, thank you your time as always on Wednesday mornings And uh, I wish you're very beautiful there head looking forward to speaking to you again Are you too and please don't forget? I need to don't forget to take care of the matter Thank you Thank you. Bye. Thank you