 Cory doesn't want to be called a Calvinist, so that's okay He doesn't really tell us a label that he wants to be called and then out of curiosity just to be clear Would you identify as a five-point Calvinist just so I have kind of an idea of where you're coming Do you line up with tulips of Calvinism and if so four or five Inconsistent Calvinist, I would say philosophically speaking You know who I am whether or not Cory is willing to adopt the fact that he is a theistic determinist or not I'm just saying even if you don't want to call yourself a theistic determinist for all practical purposes I can I can't see logically how you can deny being a determinist if you to if you hold to the 5-point tulip system. It's not really a nice word to call a person. Is it? Yes, I hear a lot of Calvinistic Interpretation. Yeah, because I could make someone very angry You know maybe hurt their feeling He's not a Calvinist, but my brother smells. All right. Don't nobody want to identify as Calvinist Why not just say you're a Calvinist? Well, uh Just want to ask you to lay off a little bit. That's Calvinism. Cory. That's Calvinism I think man can choose, but he won't choose there for God chooses. That's literally reformed Calvinism You're gonna stop calling me that every Calvinist. I know that's not my name. I'm the mini Calvinist Call me one more time Calvinist a fan of Formal debates as a matter of fact, let me just say it again if you don't know I think formal debates are horrible. I guess just me why because you can never really get your point across if Any of you matter of fact, how many of you actually saw the debate between James White and Layton Flowers? I actually didn't know it was happening I saw it after the fact and then went back and watched it and thought okay. Well Nothing really here to see here's the reason why because Whatever sides you started off with was a side that you ended up with And if you went back and look at one of the debate reviews You got the same thing depending upon who you saw the debate review With or through whichever channel That channel said that that person won so if it was a cow someone that was you know Calvinistic then Layton Flowers one if it was someone that was Non-Calvinistic well then I'm sorry then James White went it was non-Calvinistic then Layton Flowers one That's kind of kind of the way it was and the problem that is you don't really get a chance to kind of go through it Remember This is kind of a newer thing to have these little debates and so for some reason especially on on youtube We think that the way that you settle something is with a formal debate No, it's not no, it's not because I don't care if you're trying to get If if you've got five minutes and I got five minutes you got 20 minutes you got that's no Who cares who gets the most amount of time in their response or their their statements as long as the point gets made And so rather than trying to prove a point you're trying to get to the heart of the matter get to the point And for that reason, I'm not I am not a big fan of Debates now a discussion a moderate discussion. That's fine. Have no problem with that as a matter of fact Someone is trying to put together one with me. I did not want a debate. I wanted a a discussion So I can ask you questions. You can ask me questions. We can get to the heart of the matter What ends up happening though if you saw this particular debate These two people these two men Should never debate again They should never debate again. Why because well you could you could actually see Both of them being bothered now I don't know. I wouldn't say that they both dislike each other But neither of them like each other that that part seems fairly clear and they'll probably say no, that's not the case Well, yeah, can't can't tell Can't tell you if you like if you too like each other You probably ought to tell your tone and your face that because it did not come across that way As a matter of fact, you both irritated by both And in that and in that regard, it wasn't really a good look I could see if it was an actual back and forth discussion, but in this case, no And it did get a little bit a little bit bothered now what I want to do is I want to cover two things the opening I want to talk about the debate and this issue of unconditional election Or conditional election because for some John 644 proves conditional election for some John 644 proves Unconditional election But the issue is here is when you go into one of these particular debates One this issue of John 644 proving unconditional election. I think that was just a horrible topic Why not just argue for Calvinism or argue for unconditional election And then give it more space. I'm not I'm not pooping the The debate format, but I am pooping the debate format to me that it just it was unproductive Now there were some fireworks and we'll look at that So we'll cover the debate but then also we're going to talk about something that we're talking about here And that is this issue of the heart being regenerated One, what does that mean? Why is there a need for heart regeneration or is there and then was there any regeneration of Old Testament Saints? If so, was there a generation in the Old Testament? During the I mean prior to the the flood after the fall prior to the flood was there regeneration in mankind After the flood but before the law was there a generation after the law but before the cross And so we need to think about that and then the whole because the whole point here is not actually Making a statement but proving the statement looking at scriptures and making the points. So now let me just say this up front Because we're so tied in a talking so much about Calvinism all the time either I'm against Calvinism or I'm for Calvinism Sometimes we think that certain terms certain certain positions that are held Inside Calvinism if someone else holds those positions that makes you a Calvinist That's not the case at all And I wish that folks would just be honest if not honest go find someone that knows There's there's tennis of Calvinism that doesn't make you Calvinist For example, if you hold to unconditional election that does not make you a Calvinist Let me say that again If you hold to unconditional election that does not make you Calvinist And if you do it's only because you've been watching too much youtube you've been watching too much facebook Listen to these little arguments. This issue has been around long before there was even a such thing as Calvinism So guys just just keep that in mind now the reason why I say this because I'm not a Calvinist Do I hold to? Unconditional election. I sure do why because I think the scriptures say so the issue is going to be Why are these things happening? The issue that never came up or that was never really covered adequately Was why someone asked what do I think that Layton actually covered John 644? He did a little bit But Layton because and I made this this has been one of my biggest complaints about Layton is that If you spend so much time talking about Calvinism You're going to have a vested interest in proving it You are never going to and I shouldn't say never but it's going to be hard for you Even though you said that you used to be a Calvinist It's going to be hard for you to kind of retract from that position and say yeah You know I might be wrong and certainly in this in this debate He lost some points because he lost his cool We'll look at that and you can't come back and say no I did and I was being feisty with no no no You lost your cool. It is it is what it is. Uh, and there have been times people have said, you know, James Weiss Um presumed arrogance about certain things kind of makes you do that and that might be the case too But still you be who you are in a debate and don't let someone get what's the old saying never let them see you sweat Well, we saw you sweat a little bit not infected you were Unable to hold your positions, but you were getting bothered and that was that was a problem So I want to cover a few things Now there's a problem And it's a problem on both sides. The problem is and this is for my Calvinist friends Uh Calvinist oftentimes too often see things through the lens of a Calvinist Even if you think someone is coming at your Calvinist pearls you clutch them and hold them and you fight that There are issues within Calvinism that maybe are more important to fight If you want to fight all five points of Calvinism fine Do you think you're going to win all of them? Well, even if you lose one You think that all of or you think that the main point of the bible falls if one of those if one of the One of the tulips one of the acronyms one of the letters falls. That's not the case at all That shouldn't be the case but Sometimes Calvinists are just equally offended about anyone daring to question Calvinism Now Equally, there are those who cannot stand Calvinism. I think both both extremes are just silly and stupid. That's just me That's just me. Uh, there are those who non-Calvinist They get they get triggered easily on certain what they consider to be Calvinistic buzzwords election election election bothers Just to hear that term bothers non-Calvinist Wait a minute. You're talking about and so this is why so many folks at the core of your Calvinist But I've debated Calvinist on why I'm not a Calvinist. Listen, let me just say this again I do not hold to total depravity. I do not hold to limited atonement I want to cover that in a little bit because I think the problem that's missed and was certainly missed in this debate The question is about the issue end up being over election and drawing Regeneration and so forth What they never covered go back and watch it the why Why why do we do does Jesus draw? But why and what does that mean? Some of these statements remember someone asked a question about how should I go about? Scripture memorization and I said don't do don't focus on scripture memorization Wait a second. Don't focus on scripture memorization. Wait a second. We're we're totally that well No, who told you to do that somebody else? Let me tell you now. Here's someone to tell you differently Here's what you ought to do rather than scripture memorization Try to focus on story memorization Try to remember the story Why because if you see the story You'll understand where the scriptures are For example, if we are talking about oh, I don't know um The atonement if I know the story of the bible how it's laid out. I don't know where to go to see that Are you with me and then oh Because I promise you the verse memorization is not the most important thing It's the point because you don't you haven't memorized the scriptures verbato None of you have unless you memorize it in greek or hebrew or aramaic And I promise you you're not quoting it in greek hebra never made to someone in english because there are no there Is you know how difficult it is to get an actual literal translation from hebrew greek or aramaic Difficult someone to speak spanish will tell you the same thing. It's hard to get an actual Literal word for word exact translation from spanish to english. It's just how it is how it is with languages Same thing with us. And so this is what I say the most important thing Rather than holding to a confession Whether you are a provisionist Whether you are a Calvinist and which type of Calvinist are you whether you are a minion, whatever you are I say the most important thing is to hold to a hermeneutic Mine is a literal grammatical historical hermeneutic Why is that the best one because it's the same one that you use 99% of the time when you're not reading the bible That's the hermeneutic that you read that you use that's how you were taught Oh, by the way, 90 plus percent of the time you read the bible you're using that hermeneutic Except though sometimes we want to read the bible to prove a position We want to get to a conclusion rather than the heart of the matter now your conclusion might be correct Might be correct, but it might be wrong and you're not willing to budge because I'm not leaving that conclusion Is it possible that my confession of faith is wrong or something one 10 of it two 10s of it three 10s of it possible Because your tenants your confessions are not lying as your your tenants aren't canonized. It's not in the bible So that being the case. I want to go ahead and look at a few things now. Let me just say there a couple things up front Uh, Layton does spend a lot of time someone asks a question He does spend a lot of time dealing with the whole of Calvinism. He he came to chop down a Calvinist tree It wasn't it wasn't just john 644 um I so I do give I do give uh, james white credit on sticking to the text But there were times where even he would still entertain Layton flowers arguments And so when Layton would ask questions there were times where he just didn't want to deal with his arguments Wait a second. You can't entertain arguments not relating to 644 And then over here entertain those arguments not relating to 644 so There was some good and some bad overall if you believed uh, the way james white believed going into it You left that way if you believe the way Layton flowers believe you left that way So what I want to do quickly I want to run through some highlights of the debates We're gonna look at the parts where they get they get tested They get tested. They're not insulting, but they're kind of shooting jazz at each other and then I want to show you where I think Maybe they were wrong. You all tell me this is this the whole point of this channel You tell me if I'm wrong, but I want to make the points I I'm not gonna hopefully I can't go over most of the points I could not even put up all the scriptures that I wanted to go over So I hope that I remember the scriptures. I think I will hopefully I will but So let's go ahead and jump into it. Oh, by the way, by the way As we're reading John 644 This is why I gave you this. Uh, this is important Because we're gonna necessarily go back to the scriptures and look at this timeline guys If you don't know how valuable this timeline is if you don't know how important how helpful this timeline is I don't know to tell you Read your bible and then look at it from the lens of this timeline because it's how things are happening Rather than how rather than I gotta you know what? Let me go find a pastor that has this word in because sometimes what we do is we look up a word And we'll find that word. Oh, there's that. That's how I proved my point That's how when we look at someone who wants to prove you can lose your salvation They look for words that said falling away Well, wait a minute. Does that mean what what you think it means? So We're gonna come back to this timeline and we may even come back to the offering the little the little Deal that I put up this little deal about the offerings. We may come come to that. We may or may not I'm not totally sure. But anyway, let's go ahead and jump into it and deal with this debate Everyone who is drawn by the father to the son um Does is that is that today? Is that all people or is is there's what what what differentiates? Um as to now, so they're talking about here's the debate. Let's go ahead and pull up the passage first They're they are discussing john 644. So let's look at 644 and 45 now James white dr. White believes that there is no condition ascribed in this Dr. Flowers believes that there is a condition For the drawing. So let's look at the passage and then we'll listen to them and then we'll come back and we will look at it No one can come to come to me Unless the father who sent me draws him and I I will raise him up in the last day It is written in the prophets and they shall all be taught of god Everyone who has heard and learned from the father comes to me. So the question is going to be The question is going to be is this drawing first of all What is a drawing? I don't think they I don't think they really did a good enough job honestly Pulling out the what and they both neither of them did a good job of talking about the why do y'all think that's important why The drawing is there Think about that for a second. Matter of fact, keep that in your head as we go through this. Why? Does there need to be the drawing? Why is the drawing happening now and when I say now with jesus speaking? Why why is it going to happen then? When does the drawing and also obviously what is the drawing? So let's go back to to uh his response as to who is being drawn by the father Well, we live in the church age So that the drawing is by jesus to himself jesus draws all people once he's raised up and he's been raised up And so he sends the gospel to go into all creation and through the bride and through the gospel the gospel of jesus christ Through the teaching of the apostles We are now being drawn through the teaching of christ So the father is no longer drawing people to the son Well, there may be people who read the law and the prophets prior as people in the jewish tradition May may come to christ through the teachings of god the father That part I that that didn't make any sense the part that now I was really sure where where dr. White was going with that But dr. Flowers argued that didn't make any sense but This issue of drawing Let me just get back to it. Let me get back to it. I I've got a thousand points I want to make and I can't and I won't so therefore let's go back to it But it's as you know, it's a triumph god So god may draw through various means in the old testament It was the as Hebrews one says it was the father So so so actually verse 44 isn't Continuing continuing true today something has changed to where um When jesus says I will raise him up on the last day Who is it that jesus will raise up on the last day? Everyone who comes to him in faith Okay, now listen what he says first of all Uh Layton believes that the drawing is kind of the teaching Hearing the message that's that I'll draw them by the teaching. I have a huge. I when I say a huge problem I have a gigantic Huge enormous large whatever adjective you want to describe best analysis with large and huge and big I got a problem with that Because well, I'll come back to the because because they're gonna they're gonna talk about it later So I've got a Then he says whoever it is that comes to him in faith So let's put the passage back up So the ones that are drawn are the ones that come to him in faith So no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the last day It is written in the prophets and they shall be taught of god everyone who has heard and learned from The father comes to me So now his point is this part this this latter portion of 45 Where he says everyone who has heard and learned from the father comes to me those are the ones that will be drawn So he's setting that out to be a condition now grammatically. There is no there's no key Doesn't necessarily mean that it's not the case, but There's no henna or hot tea or anything like that. There's nothing in the Greek That says this is a condition for that doesn't mean that it can't be a condition But it's in the Greek there There is nothing set for because a lot of times it's helpful if you see certain words in the Greek to say, okay This is a good indication. For example, you'll see in the Greek this this henna Yoda new alpha, which tells us this is the reason why But I don't see that I don't necessarily see that here doesn't mean that it's not the case here But I really don't see that here Because when we go back and look at what Jesus who Jesus quoting In verse 45 Then I think well, we might I think we'll actually end up eliminating this condition Did every person who was drawn by the father to the son Come to the son in that context. I have no problem with that interpretation because he's not drawing them Unconditionally he's drawing them conditioned upon the fact that they listened and learned from the father But it's the same. It's a this is the same view that michael brown debated with you It's the same view that steve craig debated with you michael's not here. So let's and you said the same things Sure, they stick to the subject. Well, they corrected you on this and i'm just wondering why you haven't picked up on it yet Well, you should try it. Um, because you're not you're not doing so. So how can Yeah, let's see that this is it's getting a little testy I mean a little elbows are getting, you know, uh, they corrected you didn't listen Well, he's they didn't do a good job. You should learn from them. They didn't do a good job neither you so This is where okay. All right guys. All right guys Both you need to have your ears pulled Both you need to take take a time out So that's the that that's an issue. That's an issue Uh continuing. What can this be a general reference to god teaching israel? Everyone who hears from the father and learns They all hear his message, but they now let me let me ask you guys a question He's making the point that this is basic basically Uh hearing a message and then learning understanding the message What do you what do you guys think do you think that's what's meant by drawing? The drawing happens to be the ones that heard And then learned put it back on the screen. They heard And then they learned All everyone who was heard and has learned From the father comes so whoever it is that heard it and then learned it Then those would be the ones that actually gets drawn So it's the message they heard the message It's problem with that. They're there. There's a glaring problem with that guys a pretty big problem with that And I want to know uh someone said is that exegetical? Uh, let's see I think it is I think it is and we'll see why in just a second. We'll we'll see why in In a second, but yeah, josh. Well, that's good. That's good that you picked that up. I think so I think so Listen, how many how many channels on youtube are people talking about something? Being exegetical right here. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But Someone tells us About a message already being there. So if the message The hearing of this report as jeff is getting on to is the issue They've been hearing about this message. They've been hearing about this issue They've been hearing about this report And the reason why I use the word report does anyone know why I use the word report It's because that's literally the word that's someone. I'm sorry To somebody's very important news as a matter of fact, they're referencing both of them in the debate And jesus is actually referencing one of them right now. So this report Uh, it's always been there. The report has been there And that would is it possible that if you say that it's the message that means that people who previously to the cross Weren't saved So may I ask you guys a question in the chats? Do you all believe that people prior to the cross were saved? It's a big question Well, that obvious answer is yes Obviously people prior to the cross were saved the issue is how Hmm Even you can throw a why there Because issue all is going to relate back to why why has anyone ever bothered to ask Why in the world has jesus shown up What's the what why did you show up jesus? Now here is where my calvinistic friends in a little bit They are going to boo and hiss and throw virtual tomatoes at me because i'm going to reject something that a lot of calvinists believe And what i'm rejecting It should make them happy Because i'm going to hold myself and everyone else to what we talk about solar scriptura Got to have a scripture and i've been asking this point for the longest if we're going to say that these people had something Happening to them in that day Then you got to give me a scripture which again was part of the homework assignment. Even if you do the homework assignment, that's fine Because you there's no time For you you don't have to actually have it in a certain point in time It's just so that you could always have this tool be able to go back and look and so what we're doing is Making sure that we go back and investigate. So right now we're dealing with a question I don't think either one of them actually adequately Deal with the question deal with the issue. I think I think Both of them is just me And i'm i'm neither i'm not provisionist nor calvinist But to me it looks like both of them are just simply trying to win the debate And that happens sometimes who can come off the best in a debate. That's why I I can't stand Timed or formal debates for what if I if I can get my point across in five seconds and you take five minutes I don't care. I'm not why do I care that you had to get more words out? No, you use bigger syllables in your argument than I did No, it seemed as though that the whole point of this debate was to to win the debate But who that might be wondering How does that work who was convinced? They all don't listen some of them close their ears. They close their eyes like x28 says Paul rebuking this same crowd of israelite saying you're ever seeing but never perceiving you why they can't believe by introducing Calvinistic sociology the t the u and the i is that is that based now? Let me ask you a question before he finishes asking this question Is there a reason why? Because they bring this up as well. Is there a reason why these jews aren't listening? Is there a reason why for example? This is brought up why jesus speaking in these parables There is a reason why he talks about it and then they know there was a point uh Now obviously I watched the debate after the fact but there was a point when a couple times I heard something And I wanted to go in my room Get to work on this time machine go back a few days and then fly to houston and then shake them both We'll we'll look at that in just a second though Basically what you think's happening here in john six. No, of course I reject paul rebuking this same crowd of israelite saying you're ever seeing but never perceiving you why they can't believe by introducing Calvinistic sociology the t the u and the i is that is that basically what you think's happening here in john six No, of course. I reject your Rabbit misrepresentation. He's not introducing total inability. I'm gonna answer the questions that you asked. Okay, please stop it There's that there's that snarkiness from both of them coming in Interrupting me. Um, you just presented t and i and all the rest of stuff. I was just summarizing to be fast No, go ahead. I was just summarizing to be fast. No, go ahead. What what what did you want to ask? I already asked Do you think jesus was introducing the calvinistic doctrines to this crowd of unbelievers? What support do you have for equating this concept of regeneration with the word draw in the sense that you Obviously believe the drawing must involve regeneration because it has to proceed. They're believing doesn't it? Well, again I'm here to debate john chapter six if you want to talk about all sorts of other things that seems now at this point James why I should answer the question And he did make a statement and then because you know, I looked at a few of the different Uh debate reviews he did in his book state. He did equate the two he did equate drawing and regeneration It's almost like he pulled back from that. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna make the point in just in just a little bit but He should have went ahead and answer the point because there's other times where he answers questions that have that aren't about John 644 Because maybe he was confident more about, you know, how that the line of questioning and the answering would go And didn't really want to go down because when you when you debate somebody You know, the person's trying to put you in the corner box you in Which is fine. But if you if if what you know is how this story goes Well, then you're not really bothered by the so-called being boxed in That's why That is why I said I didn't have a problem with listen give me Uh four or five you guys On different topics even even with a couple Calvinist guys Listen, I take I want four or five of you guys come here. Let's have this conversation We're gonna have a conversation about the new covenant. We're gonna have a conversation about regeneration four or five. Come on I want all four or five of you Because I don't care who's asking question. How many of it we're getting the text is gonna say what the text says Right because what you can't do here's what you can't do We all do this but Calvinist Calvinist will We we have a problem with folks who take the text and will lead to let's say extreme charismatic or extreme carers mania The text doesn't say that and paul says Uh that I want you to learn not to exceed what is written and we see some folks doing that But mr. Calvinist buddy, you can't do the same thing if you can't exceed what the text says either nor can provisions folks Do not exceed what the text says and there are some texts that leave you saying Or scratching your head. I'm not I'm not really sure but there might be some other points other texts that make this statement Remember, we don't have john 644 just sitting here because you know what? John wanted to fill some space. You know what? I got some extra ink. Let me just write some stuff down Jesus, I got I got a I got some time to kill. Let me just say some words. No. Jesus is making a point here He's making a point here And the why is not brought up why because it seems like both sides are trying to win the debate Instead of make instead of getting to the heart of the matter to the truth Seems to be your thing. I just talked about draw. That seems to be your thing and I realized latent It's it's all you've got. I asked you about reality is we use the term regeneration now in this case Layton literally was asking about draw. So in this case Layton I got to give Layton the point on this because he was literally asking about draw We can't talk about this topic if you're not going to talk tell me what what your meaning or understanding is of Draw so you got you have to at least give him that let's go back to it draw in the sense that you You obviously believe the drawing must involve regeneration because it has to proceed. They're believing doesn't it well Again, I I'm here to debate john chapter six if you want to talk about all sorts of other things That seems to be your thing. I just talked about draw that seems to be your thing and I realized Layton It's it's it's all you've got. I asked you about reality is we use the term coming to christ we are only Are we able to do that now? But they couldn't Until the cross is that what the one of the differences That's a good question Are we now so let me ask you guys this question Let me ask you guys this question and we're we're we're getting close to finishing reviewing their their debate But let me ask you guys a question Layton, I mean like james james white asks a question We're able to come if we're drawn Were we ever able or are we able to come to him now? And were we ever able to come to the lord prior to this drawing? Let me put the let me put the the chat on the screen So I want to know vitally important question because this gets to the heart of the matter This is why we're going to go through one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Maybe 18 maybe 20 different scriptures. We're never gonna move quickly So if I'm talking fast, you have to listen fast, but question Can you come to the lord now without being drawn? Can you come to the lord? previous To jesus showing up. Could you come before you were before being drawn? Now I want you to think about that for a second If you couldn't come now, I think the obvious answer now is no because he says no you can't come Now because he says no he says no one can come unless the father's drawn Now the question is going to be what is meant by drawn, but here's the other question. What about prior? What about those people that are living doing law? Could they come to the lord without being drawn? What about what about prior to the law? What about so let's take away the cross let's take away christ prior to him showing up in his incarnation Could a person come to the lord? prior I mean without being drawn In genesis in exodus leviticus deuteronomy in first and second set could someone come To the lord without being drawn Now folks are gonna say no, okay fine. Well, then how did anybody ever come to the lord? Did anybody so here's the next question did anybody ever come to the lord in the old testament? So let's not now on to the next part of the question. Did anybody ever come to the lord? in the old testament Now think about that for a second Did anybody ever come to the lord? in the old if no one came Prior to being drawn in the old testament Did anyone come to the lord in the old testament? Yes, obviously people came to the lord in the old testament obviously But he just said you cannot come unless you're drawn That necessarily means we have to figure out what does it mean to be drawn? And then why is jesus there to do the drawing? Because there's two reasons guys Two reasons ladies and gentlemen Smart christians are not so smart christians are like there are two reasons people with hair and people without hair You bald beautiful folks and you men who are just Defying the lord with hair And you gorgeous women with hair There's two reasons why jesus showed up and so we have to we have to Figure out why we're gonna come up in just a little bit. We're gonna be at the chat The opposite of slowing down the chat, but we got we got to figure this reason out So let's go back to it this is No one can come unless they've been drawn. How does he draw by teaching them? He taught him through the prophets of old and now he teaches through himself his own teaching All right now. I'm sorry. He says no one comes unless they're being drawn But he taught them in the old so were they drawn in the old and that was wait a second. Well This is where he actually I think in this point Layton flowers hurts his argument Because if you're gonna say that you have to be drawn and the drawing is the teaching and they had in the old test of the teaching Well, then Jesus, what are you here for? What is your what is your point mr. Jesus? You don't we've already we've already got the report. We've already we already have it We already know that we are horrible people and we need the lord So what is Jesus coming for what what is this draw so I don't so it to me It cannot be that draw means to teach to hear to understand and believe I it cannot be It cannot be Emilio your head of me. We're going there and just a little bit my friend And the apostles through the new testament so Is there any text in the new testament talks about what it means To come to the father because you said in your opening That the father gives the son those who have come to him It does the phrase come to the father appear In this text Well in verse 45. He says he knew from the beginning those who did not believe So he's 45. I mean, excuse me verse 64. He says he knew from the start which ones did not believe and then he says It's for this reason. They're not being given same thing. Okay, so let's go to that passes I want you to keep up with what he's saying and then wait just a few more minutes And then we're going to jump into this and we're going to see the whole point of all of this And I honestly don't think it's that difficult Personally, I don't think it's that difficult. But let's go to the pastor. He's speaking of he says in 64 He says but there are some of you do not believe for jesus new from the beginning Who uh who they were who did not believe and who it was that would betray him And he was saying for this reason I have said to you that no one can come to me unless it has been granted and so he's making the point That you have to believe first Before it could be granted for you to come You got a problem with that houston same thing in verse 45 those who listen and learn from the father previously Will come to the son. That's a condition the condition they met is they listen to moses If you listen to moses you would believe me because we're one in the same It's repeated throughout the book of of john So the the question again was does the phrase coming to the father appear in this text? Um coming to the father you said those who come you said those who come to the father are given by the father of the son So it says those who listen and learn from the father will come to the son You are introducing a distinction between pontes and pos When there's only two words in between now. I want y'all to follow this. He's uh, dr. White is going to bring up this point That laden flowers doesn't bring doesn't doesn't answer and he gets a little bit testy on And so let me just bring this up first and we're almost to the end of this and then we're gonna all of this This is the introduction by the way So let's go to this point. He says he's making a distinction between pontes and pos Where he says no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the last day It is written in the prophets and they shall all be taught where the pontes is this word all They all by the way pontes pos pond means the same thing All each every so that's why you see him saying there's this is is laden flowers making a distinction that the bible does it And they shall all be taught of god everyone who has heard And has learned from a father and so there's a word pos for we just use everyone But it could have just as easily said been translated And they shall all be taught of god and they all and all who has heard And learned from the father so all could be could have been used in both cases or everyone or each or every Because of the same words. Okay, so now let's go back to what he's saying clean them because you seemed to be saying Everyone hearing from the father is different than all who are taught by god I just don't assume By a presupposition like you do that people who hear a message automatically have to believe it I believe that some people can hear a message and choose not to believe it I believe they can close their ears and their eyes to it. What is it? Okay He said something and I perked up and I got happy Let me play it back again and let me see if you can see what almost caused me What almost caused me mr. Smarties dealer fan What almost caused me to grow some hair almost grew some hair right there almost let me just play it again if be saying Everyone hearing from the father is different than all who are taught by god I just don't assume by a presupposition like you do that people who hear a message automatically have to believe it I believe What I don't get it core what what what do they do for you? By people who hear a message Don't necessarily have to believe it. Let me just spoiler alert. Let me give a spoiler alert I don't believe that because people hear a message that they have to believe it Now Ladies and gentlemen, we are getting to the why The why that neither of these esteemed gentlemen never approached Why is jesus here? Why is he drawing the message of coming to god was there? Oh by the way This message of atonement Was already there You'll see what I mean in just a little bit but Don't gonna Let me check and see it's some it's some hair follicles stimulated I believe that some people can hear a message and choose not to believe it I believe they can close their ears and their eyes to it. What if verse 45 Actually comes after verse 44 and is describing What the the the drawing that results in Giving a eternal life in resurrection. If that were true, then your presupposition Tulip would be true and I all right now James whites, uh puts a big emphasis on this. He says what if 44 come before 45 and 44 Kind of gives us more information about or is what is what guides us about 45? And so he says now he kind of shoots a shot at him if your presupposition is true Um, then your argument is true basically I got news for uh, dr. Uh flowers 44 Um is not conditioned upon 45. We're gonna see that in a second and I don't think your presupposition is true I believe they actually have the responsibility the ability to respond to the teaching of god They can deny it or they can accept it. So when I now almost through I got one more question to ask you guys Got one more question to ask you guys Us as human beings Those with here and without Do we have a responsibility to respond and to hear from god and to believe him? Do we have a responsibility? Calvinist non-calvinist armenian provisionist By the way, they're more than just those three But do we have a responsibility? Is it up to us to respond? Once you hear the gospel once you hear the the good news, is it up to us Us sheep assist or as my brother said We the those of us who be sheepen Is it up to us to respond? Well, the answer is yes ladies and gentlemen, it's always been our responsibility to respond The question is Will we Ah Now we're getting close Now we're getting close. Yes, it's our responsibility. The question is will we Will we respond? Now we're getting somewhere 8.2 the words pontes and pos And you create a distinction Is it a parlor trick on my part to ask you to substantiate that assertion? again I can read from you exejeits who know just as much greek as you do dr. White Who do not interpret this text to mean that people are just passive In hearing and learning because he's only talking about the unconditional elected people in eternity past You understand it that way because you have your presuppositions. Give us an argument. It's now that part that That part did something to me. Uh-oh, wait a second Uh-oh, what just happened? I'm sorry. I'm sorry guys. I don't I pushed a button I pushed a button on something. I didn't know my my Deal had a power to do what it whatever just did. I just did something with one computer and it just moved everything over Almost almost threw me off. I had no idea what that was but Dog on what was my question? Let me go back to what he just said No, it's not a no, it's not a sign um, I My big dumb self I pushed a button on the bottom of this thing on the on the computer screen and it went somewhere else, but Uh, I just threw me off. Let me go back to what he just said about my alleged presupposition Then all and choose not to believe it. I believe they can close their ears and their eyes to it. What if verse 45 Giving a eternal life in resurrection if that were true then your presupposition Tulip would be true and I don't think your presupposition is true I believe they actually have the responsibility the ability to respond to the teaching of god They can deny it or they can accept it. So when I point to the words Pontus and pos so We have a responsibility Can we There's the there's the big issue now what he said. That's what it was. Well, he said something that that just When he makes the statement that other people with with different presuppositions Unlike yours who know the greek that bothers me When I had the debate with with uh, michael brown He did something similar. He said that Other people who know the greek and far better than you would disagree Where are they? They're not here Did you bring with you since you didn't bring with you and we're not debating him I want you to tell me don't and so this is one of those deals that since he's always talking about calvinism He should have in his pocket ready a greek response to dr. White Or for his greek interpretation Amen us And you create a distinction Is it a parlor trick on my part to ask you to substantiate that assertion? again I can read from you exe jeets who know just as much greek as you do dr White who do not interpret this text to mean that people are just passive In yeah, don't do that. Don't don't don't do that if you're gonna if you're going to invoke somebody else Just quote them then But don't but yeah, it's like you're one up in somebody without actually one up and I got in my pocket Something that's going to just destroy your whole argument, but I don't bring it out that That point did I didn't get that Hearing and learning because he's only talking about the unconditional elected people in eternity past You understand it that way because you have your presuppositions Give us an argument that's not about my alleged presuppositions or somebody who's not here Show me where from the text you make the distinction that is an absolutely necessary for your position And they will all be taught of god That means that every one of them have no excuse because they have heard what they need to hear Everyone has been taught of god everyone who hears from the father and learns Comes to me not everyone who is taught will listen and learn some of them will close their eyes Now again spoiler alert. We're going to go over that passage and that's not that's not correct That's not correct. And again if someone if someone were to say you have to have heard and learned in order to be drawn You're gonna have to as this is what dr. White is saying Can you make that point demonstrate how best how best the case go through the text and demonstrate that especially in the Greek I don't know how that can be more clear. Dr. White. I know you're making the distinction But it is painfully clear to those of us. It's so clear that you're the first one to be able to interpret that way I mean, it's not so clear if obviously A lot of people interpret differently than you who also know greek. You just said you just said But he might say I lean this way or now this part right here. This is One of I saw this on someone else's debate coverage and he shows Dr. White getting upset. I think I put in the title something something your pastor didn't tell you That's the name of the youtube channel. You gotta go check him out yourself I'm not sure which way he leans or what have you but he kind of came to the same conclusions that I was doing but he was showing Dr. Dr. Flowers was still a little bit bothered even after The debate he was still a bit bothered and making a point as to why he was bothered But he was wrong in his point or I think this because of this thing or this point or that point That's being intellectually honest in greek scholars do that all the time What's not intellectually honest is is jumping in like dr. White says it's painfully obvious. I know you're making the distinction But it is painfully clear to those of us. It's so clear that you're the first one to be able to interpret that way I mean, it's not so clear if obviously A lot of people interpret differently than you who also know greek. You just said you just said Anyone and everyone who knows greek knows that my theological commitment is taught by this grammar And if you knew this grammar like I knew this grammar, then you would come to the same conclusion and Him saying that about and now maybe there are other debates or other times where james white has has kind of been arrogant with with his greek But not in his debate And so you can't use that and and I've heard people say hey listen he gets this way He is he's an arrogant and so forth or whatever fine, but he wasn't in this debate and so Yeah, he kind of he kind of misrepresented what actually happened and that is demonstrably false You have to explain Why you're making that distinction from the text or just admit I don't know and it's presuppositional and we're we're done with it Again, I don't assume as you do that just because someone is taught That they will necessarily therefore listen and learn I believe that if a student is in a classroom and they now this is where he gets hot. This is where oh I think listen. I'm glad there were new sharp items around They don't learn It's not because the teacher doesn't really want them to learn or because the teacher has some hidden agenda Or a secret hidden agenda where two wills of the teacher I think the teacher actually says when I want you to hear and learn and listen I really want you to hear and learn and listen and when I hold out my hands to you all day long He actually wants them to come. That's what I believe clear enough Nice cover for not being able to answer the question, but I'm done Now You got a little bother. You got a little bother. Why is my computer trying to do an update in the middle? You got a little bother right there Yeah, um Here's the part let me just say this and he may actually hear this and so this would be from uh for me to you brother Layton Layton's I think I think I think Layton said he's he's like a year or two lower than younger than me so but um The issue is that you spend so much time talking about calvinism It almost to some people feel as though I'm not saying I feel this way But I've heard of the folks like this that you just don't like them And that might not be the case but when you when you lose your cool like that it looks like it's personal It looks like I can't That's just how it comes across. So I would say That was not a very good look and my and my thing is I don't think you two should ever debate each other again ever Because Unless something changes and then if you do just debate all of calvinism don't pick one particular passage But now something that you do say in this late there's something Layton flower says He's asked a question And all of this guys in is the introduction now we're going to start the actual the actual study Um, so let me let me play this a question is asked of Layton And guys this particular answer I don't want to say floored me but Yes, I got a problem with his answer powers is christian conversion a supernatural work of god i.e. a miracle I believe the gospel is the inspired word of god that's brought to all of the world And so that's supernatural the inspiration of scripture is supernatural Um the incarnation of christ is supernatural We need all of those graces of god coming before and we need revelation We need light all which comes by supernatural means Now i'll just stop right there. He never answers that question. Is it a supernatural now? He says basically He's not saying it is a supernatural someone says that dr. White loses his school all the time Maybe I don't I don't watch a lot of these these debates. This one. I didn't see it I've heard about it before Um, so you're probably right and we all can we all do But not in this debate, but Is salvation a supernatural act of god? This is this is a no-brainer Yes Yes, yes, yes and all day every day. Yes Yes when i'm sleeping. Yes when i'm up. Yes when i'm in the shower. Yes when i'm driving. Yes. Yes. Yes Our salvation is a supernatural act of god On your own you ain't doing nothing Now this goes to the point This was the that's the introduction. I asked a question about this issue of regeneration And how far back does it go? Do we see regeneration? Let me so ask you guys this question put your questions I mean put your your comments and so forth on the side Is regeneration in the old testament? And I've been asking this question over and over again and I and I know there are folks that'll say yes, it's there But again not a passage And so I would say for all and I love you guys of death who would say yes So when you say yes, and then put So and so this chapter this verse this book this so do that And so we can know because the fact of matter does not The fact of the matter it's not let's go back to john Chapter six. Let's go a little bit further In john a little bit earlier And let's talk about why Jesus makes this statement There's only a few times where he talks about drawing someone Only a few times that he talks about drawing someone And he's getting to this whole point. So let's start in verse 35 of chapter six. He says I am the bread of life He who comes to me will not hunger And he who believes in me will never thirst Well, the person comes to him and the person that that believes him is that the same person? Well, sure It's the same person remember we're going to find oftentimes In the bible where you might say the same thing different ways because I want you to actually get it So the person that's coming to him And believing they're the same. How do we know because look at the tense of this particular verb? This is a prednisant middle participle air come in us Same thing for the one epistle on this is also a participle So now Whoever it is that's coming and believing the same to The same people Okay, by the way We've talked we talked about this before the bible almost always Describes us as believers as believing And so the issue is guys we have to be believing when someone says if you stop believing You're not saved. I agree That doesn't that doesn't uh vitiate my point If you stop believing you're not saved The bible describes christians as believing the participle you all know what a participle is john is running What does that entail if we say that john is running does it mean that he ran and stopped? No, it means he's running There's no the aspect of it is it's continuous. He's running Are you guys with me? And that's how the bible describes us as christians So he says but I said to you that you have seen me Yet, you don't believe you see me You've heard me you've heard the message But you don't believe And I want you to notice when we see the word believe and we talk about someone who won't believe or used to believe We're gonna have to notice the tense and then compare that to the tense of the person that is believing the christian And you'll begin to see the point All that the father so when we get to 44 and 45. This is what he's speaking of all that the father gives me will come to me We're gonna see this word coming again This word come and give he gives And the question is when did he give these people to come? Again, if you are a sheep of his You didn't become a sheep. You didn't all of a sudden volunteer and show up to the shepherd. Hey here. I am Sign me up. You didn't decide to become a sheep. You didn't decide to shepherd yourself Okay All that that's all that's all how many you all say how many y'all are believing how many y'all have come to christ How many y'all are sheep? He's telling he's describing you right here. He says all of you as they say in in My cousin venny you guys use You use you young folk you use And you old folks you baldhead folks you folks with gray hair you folks with no hair You folks with most of your teeth You folks with all of your teeth all of you Were given by the father And those that are given He says will come. Well, if they will come that means they all have not come They all have not come but they will come and will they come? Well, sure because the text is used here is in the future tense future active indicative So those that were given he jesus says they will come to me and and the one who comes I will certainly not cast out now. We're talking about the same people Jesus is talking to the same people. He says well, I've come down from heaven not to do my own will But the will of him who sent me This is the will and notice quake. He's saying this is the will this is the will this is the will of him who sent me That of all that's all of you guys sent me In order look what he says Hen upon in order that all of the ones that he gave This word the doken is the perfect tense. So he didn't give you today. He didn't give you Next year. He didn't give you to the father in 20 years If you get saved in five years, he didn't get you to the father give you to the father in five years He did not how do I know because this word right here the doken Eliminates that possibility. You cannot say that he gave or he will give you In the future when jesus just said The doken that is a perfect active indicative perfect tense is a completed action from the past Okay, you cannot get past that ladies and gentlemen Of course, you sound like a Calvinist. I might but I'm not I'll get to that point in just a second All that he's given all of you. I will not lose nothing but raise him in the last day For this is here. He is again. He reiterates this is the will of my father that everyone all Past there's that word again past who and I want you to focus on this word right here. All of the ones uh, they all run this is an active participle those that are the beholding the sun And pistu on those that are believing so beholding or seeing hearing and believing Same ones. What do they have in him? We'll have eternal life and I myself will raise him in the last day So all of you that are believing him right now that are beholding him right now You will have eternal life Therefore the Jews were grumbling about him because he said I am the bread that came down out of heaven They were saying it's not this Jesus the son of joseph whose father and mother we know How does he say this verse 43 Jesus answered and said to them don't grumble amongst yourself or Uh translated y'all on trip. Don't even worry about it. It ain't about you He says no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him What is he speaking of what he just talked about then, but what does this draw mean? What does this draw entail? And this is where we're going to discover why what does this draw so you can't come unless he draws And I will raise him on the last day It is written in the prophets and they shall all be taught of God everyone who has heard And has learned From the father comes to me So if you've heard and learned of the father you will come The reason why this is not a condition first of all, there's no grammatical key that says this condition But second of all those that are learning that learned are the exact same ones as those who have heard How do I know because akusas and uh my phone are both part of symbols So he's saying those folks that were given are these various the same group guys He's not talking about two or three different groups all of a sudden all are the same all that's in 37 and 39 are the same all Are the same all that's used here in 44 and 45 And he says they all shall be taught And so he describes them that is everyone past high akusa all of the ones that are hearing uh from the father and all of the ones that are Learning of the father they come to me. They're coming to me And he says not not that anyone has seen the father He's not that you actually saw him, but you are beholding the father Why I said because he just said earlier those that are beholding the father Uh, except uh, don't want to see except the one who was from god. He has seen the father Truly truly I say to you that he whoever whoever believes high pistol one has life into the ages And then we drop down to him just scroll down to verse 64 65, but there are some of you do not believe Now notice what he says there are some of you who do not believe This is a um None of you guys are believing for jesus knew from the beginning Who they were who did not believe Notice the ones who were not who did not believe these are the ones who are not believing This is also a part of simple And who it is that will betray him He was saying For this reason so he was saying for this read the reason why I'm saying for this reason Uh said to you that no one can come unless the father to me unless it has been granted him by the father This is why he was saying you can't come to me unless it's been granted because you're not believing Ladies and gentlemen, what causes you to be believing? And I said this before Is it possible that a person can believe? temporarily So answers question Is it possible that a person can believe? temporarily without the aid or assistance of Being drawn by the father by the holy spirit by being regenerated. Is it possible that a person can believe Without being drawn Well the obvious answer to the calvinist is no You can't believe there's no way shape from a fashion that a person can believe Without being drawn because that's what Jesus just said. Is that what Jesus said? Now I kind of gave it away because I said can you believe temporarily? So let me ask that way can a person believe temporarily Without being drawn and we haven't discussed what the being drawn is So why you're why you're thinking about that? Why you're why you're doing all your thunking? You didn't thunked about it Let's go to john. Uh, where's amelio? We're going to uh, the the passage that amelio was bringing up john chapter 12 Jesus says now my soul has been troubled and what shall I say? Father saved me from this hour, but for this way to wait what whoa, whoa, whoa How come in a debate? We're trying to get to the heart of matter. We never talk about why Now my mentor the late dr. Bolton made sure if you're going to talk about something if it's in the text try to figure out why That kind of helps why? Yeah, some of you guys know this. Have you ever sat down? Watching the game football basketball baseball and someone who doesn't know the sport comes and asks you questions You're trying to tell them. Here's why. Well, why do that? Well, why or um, my grandson when he was in his Y stage. Well, why do we do that? Well, here's why and why And why and now for the child they want to know why why we get older. We don't know what we don't we just want to answer Look what he says But for this purpose I came to this out. What purpose? Father glorify your name Then a voice came from heaven said I have both glorified it and we'll glorify it again. So the crowd heard this thundering Let's drop down Verse 32 and if I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all men To myself So when will jesus do the drawing? According to this take no it's still in line with what he said in john six When will jesus actually do the drawing? What will be The linchpin what will be the button that's pushed that will cause jesus to start drawing people You guys know this because we just read it. It's literally right there What will cause why why is he he said he came for this purpose? If I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all men to myself But he was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which he's about to die in other words his crucifixion Not that man if we just lift up the name of christ, that's not what he's talking about It's about someone actually being about him being crucified So so according to this text When is jesus's plan to draw men Going to take place I pray that you guys are tracking Because this answers so many questions whether you're Calvinistic or not whether you are many or the provisionist Why is jesus Why does he need why does he need to be lifted up? Well, that's that's when he's going to draw people After the death on the cross is when he's going to start drawing people Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm confused Cory because we got to fair with this drawing is Well, let's go back to john chapter 6 because jesus Alludes to this does he not In john chapter 6 verse 44 and 45 Jesus makes a statement. He says it is written in the prophets He's he's giving clarification as to what he said in verse 44. It is written in the prophets And they shall all be taught of god So is that what draw means? Being taught So may I ask you guys a question? Does drawing mean that you have to be taught? Meaning hearing the hearing the gospel hearing the word of the lord Is that what he means by being taught? And I want to give you guys a chance to answer this question. Is that what he means by being taught? He says it is written in the prophets and they shall all be taught of god Everyone who has heard and learned from the father comes to me Speaking the same thing No, he does not mean that if you just simply heard the word You were taught the message. That's what drawing means. That is not what drawing means. How do I know? Let's go. Let's go to isaaf 54 Now we had this conversation about isaaf 54 some time ago Now this is a guys. This is a difficult question You're gonna have to do some thinking on this is a trick question. It's a tough question isaaf 54 the 54th chapter of isaah Comes immediately after What chapter? tough question tough question This is this tough question No, no Katrina. That doesn't mean you respond. There you go. Yeah, I know I know that was a difficult question It comes after 53 We're not going to read isaaf 53 But what is isaaf speaking about in isaaf 53? Do you all remember? We've covered this a bunch of times What is isaaf speaking about in isaaf 53? Now, let's put it on the screen Remember isaaf is prophesying to who? He's prophesying to the southern kingdom to Judah He and Jeremiah, but they're going to give some good nuggets pertaining to not just Judah, but also all of israel At this point in time, especially Jeremiah. Jeremiah is prophesying as they're getting ready to go into the exile They're getting ready to be exiled So what is thank you divante Jesus being the Messiah, but what but what about Jesus being the Messiah? What about what to israel notice in isaaf 53 when we go back and read it that that that isaaf is using these past tense verb He was bruised for our transgression. These was was past tense. Huh? Why is isaia giving a future prophecy using past tense verbs? Because he's speaking about it israel that in a day in the future even past even past now Israel is going to look back as a nation And say wow, we were wrong. He was bruised the chastisement our peace was laid upon him and by his strikes We are healed. That's why use those past tense. So then we jump to chapter 54 And it's not like he has lost his train of thought. Let's go to 54 And let's start. I don't want to read all of it. Um Yeah, you know what let's start in Yeah, we got to we I'm sorry. We have to we have to just read fast. We'll read fast 54 one Shout for joy old baron one you who have born no child break forth in the joyful shouting and cry out loud You have not prevailed for the sons of the desolate ones will be more numerous They give the prophecy about what's going to happen with isra So let's drop down a little bit more verse two enlarge the place of your tense stretch out the curtains of your dwelling spare Not lengthen your course. Let's drop down to verse four fear not for you will not be put to shame Speaking of isra, but wait a second dog going. What do you mean? We're not going to be put to shame God had you checked out our condition right now. We've got we've got some problems right now We have some issues right now lord and you're talking about we will not be put to shame We will not feel you feel humiliated right now god Continuing but you will forget the shame of your you. Oh, okay. So at some point time We will forget that shame verse five for your husband is your maker. That's me god Whose name is the lord of hosts and your redeemer is the holy the wait a minute Your redeemer is the holy one of israel We're getting somewhere. I wish in that debate either one of them Didn't matter would have gone here if you're gonna quote if you're gonna bring up what jesus quoting Go back to what he's talking about and your redeemer is the holy one of isra. Who is that? They don't know him yet. They don't know him yet. I'm using this terminology for a reason. They don't know him yet Because we're gonna another passage another prophet gonna bring about knowing him Your redeemer is the holy one of isra who is called the god of all the earth Huh for the lord has called you like a wife forsaken and reaped in spirit even like a wife of one's youth When she's rejected by the way go back if you got time and read hosea Especially chapter two, but all of hosea Especially chapter two as well as uh, Zachariah We're gonna go to Jeremiah in just a second. Look what he says for verse seven for a brief moment. I forsook you But with great compassion, I will gather you We're still in chapter 54 In an outburst of anger. I hid my face for a moment, but with everlasting loving kindness. I will Have compassion on you says the lord your redeemer For this like the days of noah to me when I swore that the waters of noah would not flow the earth again So I have sworn that I will not be angry with you Nor will no wait a second god You're saying you will not rebuke us and will not be angry with us, but you're about to do some stuff to us God is getting ready to do some stuff some harsh stuff to israel But as we read in leviticus 26 He says that I will remember the promise that I had with Abraham Isaac and Jacob Let's drop down verse 50 verse 11 all afflicted one storm tossed and not confident Behold, I will set your stones in and intimidating and your foundations. I will lay inside fire. Let's drop down Here it is in verse 13 going through all of that We can kind of see what god is speaking about in regards to israel He says all your sons will be taught of the lord and the well-being of your sons will be great in righteousness You will be established. So when jesus makes this point in john, who is he harkening back to? Pretty easy to see now He's harkening back to what he is going to do with israel Is he only going to do certain things with israel? No, I don't want you to get this impression I'm saying it's only going to what he's going to do is only going to do with this israel But this is a point That he's bringing up. So now we've got to go back a little bit further. Remember god makes a promise God makes a statement now do me a favor guys put your YouTube seatbelts on because we're going to move pretty quickly We got a problem We got a problem with mankind. Do we not we got a huge problem with mankind. Let me just say this This is not the most biblical way of putting this but uh mankind sucks Yeah, we we're horrible. We are rotten people not just israel, but gentiles as well We just no good We are no good And that's been our problem as a matter of fact as a matter of fact What does the bible tell us the bible tells us this about all of us human He says the heart is more deceitful than all else and is not like I put it desperately sick The heart is sick or some verse might say desperately wicked So yeah, she look yeah Now if if tide trippin wants to say the church is wack now don't say the church is wack Say us as human beings. We're wack. Yeah, we're wack but not not god's body Now that being the case We got a problem human beings And we're gonna see why Jesus has to show up if the issue was just being taught Just a simple message We'd be okay, wouldn't we if that's what it was But you give us a good message And even if you send us christ so What do you mean so quarry how you gonna say so because Just because christ came Just because he died on the cross. What does that mean to us? Nothing because guess what I still I got the same problem Prior to the cross as I do after the cross The skin this flesh me I get in the way Me me me me me that's the issue Our heart is horrible. So we got a problem america Our problem is our heart is trash Our heart is horrible So the lord has to do two things Two things and two things only does he have to do they're too big either two doozies One he's got to pay a debt. He's got to pay a ransom for us and then Well, what good does it do to pay a ransom and no one accepts the ransom is paid no one accepts it So what does he promise to do starting back in the beginning genesis 3 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed He shall bruise you on the head on the head and you shall bruise him on the hill Contrary to popular opinion, this is about jesus and what is he going to do? He is going to Crush the head of satan and his seed. Who is his seed? Well, his seed is his seed is death The last thing that's destroyed is the devil And then after that the firm feel like a fire is death No more death after that particular point. So what's the problem? Well god illustrates a problem that we have Here's the first problem. Let's go to deuteronomy And I thought I had it already queued up, but I didn't Deuteronomy chapter 10 god tells us to do something god absolutely expects you to do what he tells you to do No, I'm not gonna ask my am I Calvinist. I am not a Calvinist Look what god tells me to do This this is after they've been given the law He says so circumcise your heart and stiffen your neck no longer God tells israel and by extension is also telling all of mankind to Circumcise your heart Get your heart right fix your heart. What is our problem ladies and gentlemen? You don't even have to be told this you can see it yourself Our problem is human beings from genesis all the way through is our heart That is our problem So much so He's telling them to fix their heart Before they even make it into the land Then he tells him this in verse chapter 30 He says so shall be when all these things have come upon you the blessings and the curse Which I've said before you and and you call them to mind in all the nations where the lord your god has banished you Banished as we haven't even got we haven't even gone into the land and you're going to take us out of the land already Yeah Duh dummies you guys are horrible. You guys don't listen. I can show you all of these things now Has there been ever anybody in the history of the bible or mankind that has ever come to god? Prior to the cross Yes Yes, we can rattle their names off Abraham Isaac Jacob, how about he not how about able how about Noah? Heck, how about even barack even barack? That's the guy that was scared to go fight fight scissor And never has to convey can come on do this and then the woman Um goes and nails his his head with a tent peg David all of these people they have faith But I thought we couldn't know him because there's something else because again God has to deal with our problem. God has to deal with some things Amen, our problem. Our issue is as we read let's put back on the screen for you guys in verse 30 Go on one second God has to deal with y'all here the cat every every time I guess he wants to he wants in on this so What god is going to do? He says and you and when you return to the lord your god and obey him with all your heart And you're so according to all that I command you today And your sons then the lord your god will restore you from captivity and have compassion on you and and will gather you Again from all the peoples where the lord your god has scattered you So it's kind of if he asked to which one is happening first If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth from there your lord will your god will gather you And from there he will bring you back the lord your god will bring you into the land Which your father now there's going to be two times where they get put out After they get put out and then brought back in and then daniel has a prayer And then he's answered And he's speaking about them being put out and they're going to come back again And then it happens again ultimately so the two times are brought back in That time and then again where we see reestablished as a nation We'll cover that some more in in depth a little later, but then notice what he says in verse six He's already told them to fix your heart circumcise your heart, but then god says Instead of you doing it i will do he says more of the lord your god will circumcise your heart so God says the lord your god will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants Keep this in mind to love the lord your god with all your heart and with all your soul So that you may live so we're getting an understanding that god has got to God has got to fix the heart of mankind Problem sin and there's a debt that's owed Problem of tune is there's a heart so the debt is paid, but what about the heart of the people? And so then we go to leviticus Look what he says in leviticus 26 42 He makes his promise Let's start in 41 I was acting with hostility against them to bring them into the land of their enemies Or if their uncircumcised hearts becomes humble So that they may make amends for their iniquity Then I will remember my covenant with Jacob and I will remember also my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham as well And I remember the land Well, what's he talking about? Well, because of their sin you're gonna get put out. I'm gonna bring you back in I'm gonna do so when I'm gonna bring you back in after I fix your heart Now there's some other things going to happen with your heart being the way it is Because you guys are horrible people god is going to do something else Because you go and they haven't done it yet. They have not done it yet They're gonna go after these other gods And this cat is really going at it Because Um, you have made him jealous. What does god say he's going to do? God has stated he says they have made me jealous with strange gods With abominations they provoked him to anger and let's drop down to verse 21 Look what he says they have made me jealous with what is not a god They have provoked me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. So question Who is a god going to cause to be jealous and anger? He is going to cause israel to be jealous with who? Who this cat is annoying me now Who is he going to make jealous? He's going to make israel jealous Who is he going to make israel jealous with? The Gentiles this is why I said you need to go to hosea and read hosea to see What he's going to do why he's going to do it? So at some point in time god is going to bring back israel and he's going to do so with the gentiles The problem is Both of them have bad hearts Because when he says these people have bad hearts What does he say what he says the heart is desperately wicked? He says that in Jeremiah 17 But going back to Jeremiah 31 Oh by the way that jesus that quote that jesus makes is also in Jeremiah 31 So let's go to Jeremiah 31 verse 27 Uh and look what he says He says behold Days are coming declares the lord When I will sow the house of israel and the house of judo with the seed of man and see the beast And it should come to pass that as I have watched over them to pluck up to break down to overthrow to destroy and to bring harm So I will watch over them to build and to plant In those days they shall no longer say the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children teeth are set on air So now he's speaking about what he's going to do With israel We're going to find out that's going to also the same thing with Gentiles, but everyone shall die for his only naked each man who eats sour grapes His teeth should be seven years. Look what it says now Behold days are coming declares the lord Behold days are coming declares the lord When I will make a new covenant with the house of israel and the house of judo Not like the covenant I made with their fathers on the day when I took them By the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt my covenant they broke though I was their Husband Declares the lord for this is the covenant I will make with the house of israel after those days of course lord I will look what he says I will put my law within them and I will write it on their hearts. All right We've taken a while to get to this point This issue of being drawn Absolutely refers to their heart This is what he's bringing up. This is why jesus quoted. He said that in isiah He's saying this also in jeremiah When I will put my law within them and I will write them on their hearts and I will be their god And they shall be my people and now look what he says Here it is and no longer shall each one teach his neighbor And each his brother saying know the lord For they shall all know me. Let's go back to john six. Let's put it on the screen john six no, uh No one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him and I will raise him in the last day That was written to the prophets and they shall all be taught Everyone who has heard and has learned from the father comes to me going back to jeremiah. Do y'all see the connection So what's happening with their heart is what's happening with uh, what he's speaking about jeremiah about their hearts being fixed They have a heart issue Are you with me their hearts need to be taken care of So what is he going to do? He is going to fix their heart Has their heart been fixed yet ladies and gentlemen, here's the question Has the heart of these people been fixed? At the time that jeremiah is making a statement at the time that isiah is making a statement at the time that moses is making a statement in deuteronomy Has the heart of these human beings been fixed? Has their heart been circumcised? Has their heart in other words been regenerated? Have they been given a new heart? No, they have not at this point in time Are you guys with me at this point in time? There they have not been given new hearts Will they be be given new hearts? Yes This is what jeremiah isiah and the rest of them are speaking of this is what hosea is speaking of This is what is said in lamentations. They will be given new hearts And that's what he says and no longer shall each one teach his neighbors. Aren't we talking about who's going to be taught? Is that not what john brings up? No one can come to the father unless he who sent me draws him and our raisement last day is and so what does Jesus go to? He says it is written and they shall all be taught Everyone who has heard and has learned from it. By the way, this is hearing and learning Why will they do so because they will have a new heart? So let's go back to it for they shall all know wait a second They shall all know all of them shall know me from the least of them to the greatest This cannot be drawing cannot be what laden flower says hearing the gospel It cannot be that It cannot be i'm sorry. He's one of the scriptures right now. We're in jeremiah 31 27 Uh, it cannot be simply hearing Why do we know why do we know that it cannot be simply them hearing because paul brings this point up about israel? In in romans chapter 10. He says they have heard the gospel. Haven't they now we'll go there in a second So now he's bringing us up in jeremiah. Oh by the way, he brings us up in jeremiah 32. He says something about their hearts Being or having the spirit in them. He says i will give them one heart And one way that they may fear me forever For their own good and for the good of their children after them I will make with them an everlasting covenant like he says in jeremiah 31. He's reiterating That that I will not turn away from doing good to them and I will put the fear of me in their hearts That they may not turn away from uh from me so What's gonna happen when jesus shows up? Not i'm sorry. Not when he shows up after his crucifixion That's why jesus says in john 12 If I be lifted up his death speaking about his death on the cross Then I will draw all men to me Jesus is not the drawing does not take place until his death What happens at the death then the holy spirit is going to start doing a work In the heart of mankind Ezekiel piggybacks on this in ezekiel 11. He says when they come there Uh, they will remove all it's i'm sorry verse 19 And I will give them one heart and I will put a new spirit within them And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart that they may walk in my Staches and keep my ordinance then they'll be my people and I shall be their gods So Again, he's gonna do two things in one fell swoop. He is going to fix their hearts But in fixing their heart, he's got to give them something for their hearts to be placed in Which is this salvation that's wrought about by him on the cross. Remember in the old testament There's a satisfactory enough way for them to be atoned for God has made a toman for them the toman is that The their sins are placed on the head of escape goat And the price of the sin is this Uh, sacrificial offering Jesus plays three roles. He plays a part of the high priest Ask he brews. He prays pays a part of this Um lamb that takes away sin asked john and he brews. He also plays a part of the sacrificial offering as paul and asked the right of he brews And so we've got a toman made for them. So their sins are atoned for But it's temporary Now think about this for a second. God has made a toman God has made a way for his wrath to be satisfied at that moment You are in right standing for how long for one year and then he's also giving you off. You want to take a A snapshot of this he's also given them in the meantime These offerings some hey guy because you're offering because you're awesome or I'll give it off because I've sinned I've done something to someone and I've done something against you lord So we've got these offerings that we can take part in and put it back up in case someone wants to see that We've got these offerings for you guys What happens when Jesus Christ comes? We've got the day of atonement And we've got these offerings What happens to those offerings? I'll put the chat on the side again. What happens to those offerings? And the day of atonement when Jesus comes on the cross when he dies Is there any more need of a sacrifice? Well, no, he says no, there's there's no longer a Exactly they gone away josh. No more. There's no more offerings that God is asking us to do No more grain offering None of that if you don't have money you don't have a cow You know, you don't have to worry about trying to hunt down a pigeon or dove Gone away with why What they had then temporarily Was okay The problem was it was never sufficient to fully take away sitting there if you died in that state Of having your sense of tone for in right standing. You're good Now you could not go to be in heaven to be with the father because Jesus says in John 3. No one has gone to the father No one has ascended I won't deal with Enoch and Elijah We covered that before how they didn't go to heaven to be with the father just yet until after Jesus ascension But what it does bring us to is John 3. We're almost finished ladies and gentlemen In John 3 Jesus brings up a point He says in verse 3 So what you have said you unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God If this doesn't happen, you can't see the kingdom of God. So what has to happen? You must be born again. What does this born again mean? I submit to you. This born again is the same issue of regeneration It's what he talks about in Ezekiel. It's what he talks about in Isaiah It's what he talks about in Deuteronomy. It's what he talks about in Isaiah. It's what he talks about in Jeremiah Getting a new heart Getting a new heart How does that happen? You have your heart has to be born from above Genneth they a nothing Genneth they a nothing that's what he's saying now has two meanings either to be born a second time or to be born from above Ezekiel Uh, Nicodemus thought it was being born a second time. Jesus corrects him. He says no He says verse five unless one is born of water and spirit notice in verse verse 25 through 27 In Ezekiel 36, he brings up those two elements water and spirit And we know in chapter four that water is resembling of the spirit So unless you're born of water and spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of god That which is born of flesh is flesh that was born of spirit of spirit So he uses three ways to describe it born again born of the water and spirit And then born of the spirit and then notice how he couples this the wind blows where it wishes And you and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it's going So is everyone who is born of the spirit Everyone who is Born of the spirit if you are born of the spirit your heart is born from above Here's a question. Can you cause yourself to be put on the screen? Ladies and gentlemen, here's a question. Can you cause yourself to be born again? Do you do not this is bad english, but you'll get you get the picture Especially if you're in the south if you're in the south, this is perfectly good english Can you do the morning? Can you do the morning? You don't do the morning, do you? This is bad english, but you get the point. Can you make yourself be born again? No, you cannot well go to that matter of fact, let's just go to the pastor right now 1st Peter 1 Blessed be the god and father of our lord Jesus Christ who according to his great mercy has cost us to be born again Now I want you to notice this word in the greek made of two words Anna, which is up and then Ganesas, which is to be born This being born is an act of god. He caused blessed be the god And father of our lord Jesus Christ who according to his great mercy according to his great mercy He has caused us to be born again not you Not you someone says you play a role. No, you don't play a role There's no where answers where it says you caused yourself to be born again Now it used to be stated that if you're saved you're born it. No born again does not mean being saved That's the first step born again Is your heart Now what are you going to do when you're born again? Are you going to come to him? If your heart is changed If you have his spirit, are you going to come to him? Well according to jesus and john 6 you absolutely are going to come So let's go back to john 3. He says the wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound But you don't work. You don't know where it's coming from. So is everyone who is is that word born Genomai gena, oh So is everyone who is born of the spirit. What are you born up? It's literally saying you are born of the spirit Pass high get your name a nice act to Uh, pneumatize, which is born of all of us are born from the spirit. Well, core. Is he just speaking of israel? No, he's not just speaking of israel Even though we read ezekiel Even though we read Jeremiah because he's going to use a word that is very beneficial to us Gentiles He says in verse 12, but as many the word but as many hasoi That that is all inclusive of all of us But as many that includes jew and gentile. So whoever it might be that is born Um, whoever received him then he gave the right to become chosen of god Even to those who believe now the word is believe guess what? Uh tense this is this is also a participle There's a present active part of so all of those Plural present active parts of so all of those who are believing Remember when the bible describes a christian It describes a christian as someone who is believing who is in a state of continual believing Okay, so even those who are believing so all of us who are believing This is how we know this includes us gentiles Who were born? You weren't born of blood You weren't born of the will of flesh nor the will of man, but look what he says, but ekefeu eke um Ekefeisam, which is you were born of god All of those who were born were born of god Ladies and gentlemen, even though I've taken an hour and 40 minutes Layton flowers and and and james white should have been talking about the why Jesus comes for two reasons One to give us a payment That is unlike the payment of the blood of bulls and goats a better payment not one that's temporary But it's permanent But then also the mechanism that causes us to keep believing I asked a question earlier I asked again Is it possible for a person on his own to decide to believe in god? Well, yeah, the answer is yes The answer is yes. As a matter of fact One of the questions is brought up Now there's a there's a big asterisk beside that The answer is yes. The answer is yes. You can but it's a big asterisk It's a big asterisk beside that Jesus having a conversation Jesus is speaking to people He is speaking to people He is speaking to people Jesus is speaking to people who Aren't getting it these jews So he says soon Luke chapter 8 verse 1 soon afterwards He began going around from one city and village to another Proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of god. Well, wait a second If the message is the drawing as Layton flower says then Jesus is doing just that He's giving the message. He's giving the gospel But He won't do the drawing until afterwards, which means it's not just a message And also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sickness marry I'm sorry. Let me move past. So jesus is going around speaking verse 4 When a large crowd was coming together and those from the various cities were journeying To him he spoke by way of parable. Well, jesus dawg garner. Why are you speaking these parables? Let's drop down verse 9 his disciples. I'm sorry Others, I'm sorry Yeah, starting verse 9 his disciples began questioning him as to what this parable meant. They didn't even get it He says To you it has been granted to know The mysteries of the kingdom of god, but to the rest it is in parables So that seeing they may not see and hearing they may not understand and look what he says And look what he says now the parable is this this is the word of god And notice the words that he's using those beside the road are those who have heard Then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart So that they will not believe Now this word right here is the present act is a participle so that they won't be believing Now how's that work? How can the devil possibly do that? various ways We covered this before so we won't deal with it now and be saved Because if you're believing you will be saved if you're not believing not believe duh But believing you'll be saved those on the rocky soil are those who when they hear receive the word with joy And these have no firm root. They believe For a while this word right here is not a present active participle This is why I think those tenses are important. They believe for a while So question is it possible To believe temporarily to believe for a while Yes, it is Jesus just said so It is possible to believe temporarily it is possible Now let's go back to it. He gives an explanation They believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away The seed which fell upon the thorns these are the thorns who have heard as they go on Their way are choked with the worries and riches of the world and pleasures of this world And bring no fruit to maturity Ah Here it is But the seed in the good soil these are the ones who have heard the word In an honest and good heart and hold it fast and bear fruit with perseverance So question Is it possible to hear the gospel and believe on your own? Yes, it is It's not possible to do so now and continuing believing. Here's why What determines you to keep believing Is the soil by on which the seed is planted If you plant good seed and we all agree that the word is good seed on bad soil does it matter Nothing it might spring up But you need to have the the seed planted on good soil Well, he just told us what the good soil is our heart and honest and sincere heart Here's the question ladies and gentlemen, let's back up and let's get an understanding of what this means to be regenerated Who causes You to have a good heart Especially for those that might disagree Who would cause you who is the reason that caught what word is the good heart any of you guys or any of you guys believers Did did the word fall when you heard the word? Did the word that you heard which is the gospel fall on good heart? Well, if your believer did Well, who who was the reason? Who caused you to have a good heart? Who caused the soil that is your heart to be good? If you say you I'm gonna come find you and track you down and choke you If you say you I'm gonna come find you and track you down and choke you No God does so we just read he causes you to be born again Jesus gets on Nicodemus for saying you're a teacher of Israel. You don't know this The the condition of your heart that is brought about by God So when Jesus makes his statement in John 644 and he's teaching that he is doing the choosing It's not a conditional election my friends It could not be a first of all Can we just just deal with the gigantic purple and green elephant in the room? Election by definition cannot ever be conditional There's there's there's just no such thing That's just like saying a four foot giant Election cannot be Cannot be conditional God does that What do you say in John 3? So is everyone who was born of the spirit so is everyone who was born of the spirit It goes where where you hear it You know where goes front comes from or goes to The problem is though you have no passage if you give me a passage says he regenerates based on the condition of faith Channel shut down today There is no such passage. What we do to the text is we add we add A condition that the bible doesn't say there is no passage not one. I've checked That says that Regeneration is based on our on our doing something Our heart being born again. That's regeneration. We don't do that as a matter of fact Titus even says it this way It wasn't through some good deed It doesn't know do you have to know I don't have to unbring you but just you put the passage in the deal He says he saved us not on the basis of deeds, which we have done In righteousness so nothing in the right way that we've done But according to his mercy by what the washing and regeneration And again, this is ladies and gentlemen this washing and regeneration Is This up borning We are being born. We've been made anew from the beginning. I didn't say new life There's a point let's go. He puts up Colossians 2 12. Let's go to Colossians 2 12 The problem that people will do with me sometimes is give me the arguments that they might give the accountants I don't believe regeneration is new life Having been buried with him in baptism In which you are also raised up in him through faith in the working of God who raises from the dead We're in this passage my friend. Does this say anything about the person being regenerated after they make a decision? It doesn't And this is what we do oftentimes we end up making a passage say we wanted to say but again We are observing the text and see what it says and if it doesn't say that well, then if it does not fit We must acquit Then that's what it says if a person is Regenerated as for you the anointing which you receive from him abides in you And no longer do you have need of anyone to teach you? Isn't that what he just isn't that what isaac and Jeremiah says is going to happen Once your heart is regenerated All the fathers give to the spirit coming and doing a work in your heart Which you can't do you can't come back and say the work that that that is done in your heart You did that You can't come back and say the work that's done in your heart is because you believed you don't believe He just that's the point you don't believe but as his anointing teaches about all things is true and is no lie So this teaching I don't need anyone to teach me about the Lord. Not that I don't need teachers and pastors and so that's not that's not his point We he's still giving us those But in terms of knowing him Having this relationship with him. I have no need to help me have a relationship with him You don't need me to help you to have a relationship with God That's you That's your time with him, but maybe understanding a particular text and so forth Maybe understanding a particular text. Well, that's different So Now I know there are some elements about internal security in here playmaker in the faith But when I talk about that at this point, although this is implicit in that but If you are a sheep, how'd you become a sheep? He he you were drawn how? If your heart has been regenerated, did you regenerate your heart so as to come? No No, you didn't you can't find a text that says that Now this bothers the Calvinist And the non-Calvinist alike Because if you think that you didn't there's a problem if you think you did something well, we got a huge problem You think one of the questions that was asked of late I didn't I didn't cover it but one of the questions that was asked of him is what's the difference between the person who Places their faith in Christ and the one did both of them standing by side by side to hear all the same points Most of a one-point Calvinist What's the difference? John heard the gospel Fred did too John got saved Fred didn't Well, I listen it made sense to me and my heart was pregnant. It just me. Yeah, whatever Save it for somebody save it for someone who know who don't know you as well as I do I know you I listen. Let me just say this guys and I mean this in all love I know that every last one of you are just trash with feet You're trash with feet and hands and figure now I know you better know yourself if you think differently If you think you're wonderful if you think that's something about you that made you that made you Except Christ I know that I obviously know you better know yourself nothing good about you if you think so, huh? Tell me why you keep failing. Tell me why you keep falling. Tell me why you keep sending. Tell me why you keep wanting to do sin Because there's nothing good in you as paul says You can sell it to me if you want to I'm not buying I'm not buying the trash that you're shelving I know you're no good. I know you're worthless as paul says the only good that dwells in you is the Holy Spirit How did that get there? Well, I went to heaven Got the Holy Spirit myself Brought the Holy Spirit down put him in my heart Because I believe in him so much so No, you didn't No, you didn't my friend So Once your heart is regenerated Then what can you do? What did jesus say? You can believe temporarily That ain't life That's not life the heart The good heart the regeneration causes you to be what be believing And because of that Because of that That's what saves What happened in the old testament? You had again, there's two things that that makes a person that moves a person There's two things That can make you do the right thing Something on the a force on the outside and a force on the inside Thank you lord for giving us the Holy Spirit Thank you lord for giving us the Holy Spirit Thank you also for giving us him as a down payment as a ceiling Not ceiling seal s e al Thank you for that lord Thank you for the fact that I am not good not worthy not even on my best day Do I amount to more than five dollars maybe six dollars? Accounting for inflation worth of dirt Maybe on that best day So the question has to be and I wish they don't do any more of these these little goofy debates like that again I I said I'm trashing the debate because the debate was was doomed to fail from the beginning One you're debating to win a point two. You don't cover the substance. Why? What is this drawing and why? I need to be drawing my heart because if my heart ain't right I'm going to go my heart ain't right so I'm gonna mess up and if I mess up I don't have the devatom anymore. I don't have I do not have offerings I don't have profit leading this. I don't have the the spirit of the lord leading us By day and by night I don't have these these awesome signs and warnings that we saw then I don't have that But I do have as better though the Holy Spirit so Now here's the question though The second part of what we're talking about has to do with the homework that we put out The second part, um, yeah, any time, um, I don't know if you want to go through, uh through marlin You can gather I don't I don't do time debates Because you can't Horrible horrible horrible because you're not winning anything but to have a discussion Yeah, because I got some questions The debate that I had with, um, what's his name? Uh, Michael Brown He asked a question about Hebrews And I'm taking my time working my way through the point but at times up. I got to get to my point Well, okay. Do we want do we want to just score some points or get to the truth of it? So immediately afterwards I answered his question And there's no way that his point overcomes what I what I made the point that I make that Hebrews Tells about us being sanctified So You can't do that in a in a in a formal time debate. You just can't you just can't there's no way you can answer all the points There's just no way you can But in a conversation we can I've got some questions that that that you guys won't be able to answer Well, you can answer but you won't be able to you won't get past the answer. So that's some questions I just got some questions That there is no there is no there are some questions. There are some points that there is no other option too That sounds kind of bold to say there are some statements that are made there is no other option too If God says he will do xyz Without a condition if God says he will do xyz Then will he sure and there is no other alternative to that If he says That he will he must go through some area. Well, then he will If he says this is going to happen if he says The devil And death are both will be both thrown in the lake of fire Will they Sure Can anyone come back and say no It's possible The devil won't be tossing like a fire. Is it is it possible? No, it's not possible Because he makes it a future active and dig. He says this this will happen So um if So I I tell you what uh ak send send me an email and you and I can talk as well also Uh, and then we can kind of kind of figure something out june might be difficult because I may be at a I think our our family reunion is around that time. So i'm not sure. I'm not sure So we'll we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Um, but in the meantime guys For this reason you see why I don't like debates Like discussions And I think they both missed it and in fact, man, they both got angry upset each other that what it wasn't a really good look And if you go and look at the debate reviews, if you were a calvinist before you were a calvinist after if you were not calvinist before You were not calvinist afterwards so um Yeah, and let me just say this again. Let me say this again guys. Let me say this again And I made a statement. I make it again If a person believes in unconditional election, that is not a calvinist doctrine calvinists believe that But calvinists aren't the only ones that believe in that Okay, I go to a seminary where they where they believe that and they're not calvinists. Okay, and there might be some calvinists there there might be some calvinists there, but um A dispensational hermeneutic will get you there So anyway, yeah, uh smarkerson channel at gmail And I'll I'll look forward and then we can we can talk then so in the meantime guys. I love you all Unless the lord comes back if he does then all this is settled And then you'll all get a glorified body With no hair on it Because you don't need hair in heaven. Who needs who needs hair in heaven? Nobody nobody You could have if you want to but I'd rather let the cool heavenly breeze just Rub up against Rub up against my scalp. So anyway, um I'm not gonna have afro Although I did used to look swabbed an afro back in the day with the right on fist for you before your time before your time but Yeah, as a buddy told me God didn't have a neck so he didn't have a head He ain't got a head. He ain't got no hair. Jesus had hair because he had to come down in a lower form That's why I had hair. I'm kidding. I better stop forgetting trouble. Anyway guys. Love you all The lord willing. I will see you all on tomorrow. God bless you