 Hey, hey, hello, you just appeared on me. I was the only one because I was I'm working on being able to actually fix the screen sharing thing. Let's see. Hello. Awesome. Hey, hello. That should fix that. Hey, cool. Yeah. Sometimes I can do screen sharing from here. Sometimes that's great. Folks, give us a few more moments for waiting on more participants. Emily, we don't need Corma day and it's also been a bit since we've done one of these. So yeah, I'm glad you mentioned it because I was just going to jump on. All right, folks. Hello, everyone. Good day. We're going to go ahead and get started as a reminder. Meetings are part of the Linux foundation, normal antitrust notice and meeting logistics. You've made it. Awesome. We have several, many of our TOC members out on vacation or on holiday. So you get what we have here today and present our agenda. We're going to run through the tag updates, but first we have a tag update update that we'd like to propose. We're going to provide some status updates and projects moving levels. Next slide back one. There we go. So we've been going through the tag updates the way that we have for a long period of time and I think that there is a lot of excellent information that each of the tags are sharing, but it's not always consistent across the tags and that's fine. So what we want to do is given the amount of activities that we're starting to shift over to the tags and the current health and sustainability of the tags and the work that they're doing. I want to introduce some small changes to what we're looking for out of tag updates. I figure we can try this in September, see how it works, see if we're getting a lot of great information exchange from everyone and highlighting all of the great work that the tags are doing. And if it works, great. We'll stick with format. If not, we can make changes tweak or go back to what we had. So the first one that I want to focus on is doing tank health updates. How is your workload? Do you have too much work? Are we asking too much of you? Do you have too many projects assigned? Are you looking to take on more work? How's your contributor activity? Do you have a lot of contributors? Is the workload that you currently have being distributed effectively? Do you need assistance in that area? What kind of support are you receiving? Is it good? Do you need more? Do you need more engagement from your TOC liaisons? Do you need less engagement from your liaisons? And then any additional attention areas that where you need help, whether or not that's cross tag functionality, maybe CNCF staff support, something along those lines. And then meat and potatoes of it. Really the work that you all are engaged in. What are the projects that you've engaged with? What kind of engagement was it? Was there something specific that was interesting or noteworthy as part of that presentation or engagement? We hear a lot of presentations that happen, but I want to make sure that we're getting the really valuable details out of that so that we can either make other tags or other community members aware and engage with them. Or perhaps reach out to the projects directly if there's something of particular note that we're interested in. And also all of your working group updates. I know many of our tags have working groups. We'd like to get those updates from you all. And I think everyone's been doing that, but want to make sure that it's solidified here. What work you've done so far since the last update, anything that you currently have in progress that's ongoing and what you've got coming up. So a little bit more of that roadmap planning. So we have better visibility month to month on what you all are working on and have the appropriate opportunities to highlight and share that with the community at large and with our adopters and users. And any topics that are coming up in some of your community discussion. We've had a lot of changes in technology over the past several years. And usually tags and the questions that come to you all are early indicators of upcoming trends focuses or concerns that different adopters or end users are experiencing at the time. So, thought we would try this out for September and see how it goes does anybody have any immediate feedback or thoughts and opinions on this. Emily. Again, thank you for going through this, I think it's very exciting. Is there a format or are we just adding info to the slides. Is there. Can we maintain markdown that can be then, you know, on the tag repos as a status update that then get at gets added to these slides or. Good question. I think for right now for September while we're trying it out, we'll just do a template in the slide deck that kind of allies all these areas. And then depending on how successful that is, we might switch over to markdown or something along those lines. But let's, let's keep that in mind moving forward because I like the automation portion of this as part of the tags regular work. Yeah, and you can also search on it, which makes it easier. So, thanks. All right. Next slide. Tang storage. Hi, I will give an update from text storage. So now we have a new text with coach here, Rafael, supposedly from redhead. He is the main author of the cloud native disaster recovery, my paper, and has been contributing to the tech for a while. We are very happy to have him on board. And we have two storage projects. I'm a store and X line that recently joined the CNC F as sandbox projects. And our web paper on running data on Kubernetes is being reviewed. We are trying to wrap it up and get it published. In recent text storage meetings, there were presentations from X line and farming store. We also had a presentation from a mention on storage and sustainability. There was also a presentation from the sandbox project up. It's a backup and restore project. They also submitted an annual review. We will be reviewing the annual reports with the guidance from our to see the results, the guitar and Matt. And we also have an upcoming presentation from canister always also applying for sandbox. That's all for me. Fantastic. Are you all also going to send out the cloud native disaster recovery paper on the to see mailing list. And we are trying to get a blog published. So I need to follow up because we did send that out to the CNC F stuff. So, so maybe for the for this other paper, which is not published yet, which is the data on Kubernetes, the database patterns there, people will can send out to the mailing list and to get more reviews, because the the cloud native DR one that's already published on our GitHub, which is trying to write a blog for that. Awesome. Nikita. I just had a quick question about Pelkin. So, do you know if they're still interested in applying for sandbox because if I recall correctly, they, there was some licensing issues since they were a fork of an open source project under the Twitter GitHub. But it seems like it's no longer the case. If they're still interested or would it help to like pull them to check. So I need to reach out to them they have not got back last time when they gave us a presentation a few months ago they said they are interested. So let me reach out and get back to you on that. Just another quick question about the review on the white paper database patterns are you looking for additional reviewers. Do you think it might help if we tweet from the CNCF account for more outreach and asking for the viewers especially from any users. Yeah, so if we can get more people to review that will be great. Yeah, if, if there are other ways to reach out to more people. I can definitely send it out just sent through the TLC mailing list but there are, if there are other ways to get the words out. We did talk about it in the last cube con we did ask people to review. But if there are other ways, it would be great. I just wanted to chat about the social media channel where you can reach out. Oh, okay, so should. Oh that channel okay. That's it. That's a slot channel. Oh okay I'm not aware of that so sure. Slack just go ahead and drop on like the hey please like you know amplify this thing like. That's a that's a great idea. I'm not aware of that. Okay. Yeah, it's a good one. Thanks. Any other questions for tag storage. Okay, next slide. It's tag security. This is Pushkar. I'll be doing the update today, along with Andy. So first up we have a chair transition. Thank you Brandon for all the work over several years as a chair as a tech lead before that as a member. We have two longs to our long list of emeritus chairs. Some of them are in the to see as well. And I'm lucky enough to replace him and take the baton forward. So, couple of updates on white paper version two. So there have been a few translations that have already happened. Two of them were merged in our repository yesterday. One is a Chinese translation and then there is Japanese. There has been a lot of good feedback from the glossary localization teams for both of those languages on these papers so that was great to see. There is one more that's in progress, which is Spanish translation, and we expect to publish a blog for both the Chinese and Japanese working with the original translate translation authors on the CNCF website. Next update on security assessments. We've created a project board or continue to use it in a much better way. Explaining where the different assessments are in terms of progress. So, two in progress, one is in backlog there are nine which are blocked way which is which means that they're waiting for comment from the project maintainers and we keep it open and bring them a couple of times before we can, we'll move forward on that. There is an interesting note for which I'll quickly pass it on to Andy on the NYU students collaboration with CNCF. So, Andy, why don't you go ahead. Thank you so much. We have had a very kind offer from a professor versus Justin Kappos of NYU Tandon lab to bring some of the students into the security pals process. So, this is intended to reduce the latency on getting a project to assessment. We often find that projects don't necessarily have everything they need to navigate those waters. So, the security pals process is meant to assist them to get to a point where they can present the tag they can form a self assessment, and we can then compare and contrast our notes and move to a place where we can make recommendations, the project and back to the community. So, this is very much in an exploratory stage this point that this is here as a proposal, not only for tag feedback, but also to the wider tag security group. And we'll put together a process whereby new projects are prioritized self identified their desire for assistance in this regard. So, we're moving towards presenting and then generating the self assessment, and then that gets into a place where, ideally, we really churn through this backlog, because we do have more projects in the backlog right now than we come forward. And the last update I'll say is in true open source fashion of chopping wood carrying water. I raised one of our techniques has been really amazing in the last couple of months, especially cleaning out so much of backlog of our issues and pull request. This just has made everything really sustainable for all of us to go forward. The number of issues have gone down dramatically that open. Same thing with pull request and he's continuing to do that along with all of us jumping in revenue so thanks Andres a lot. That's it from tax security. Welcome for scar. Any questions for tax security. Next slide. Tag runtime. Hey everyone. Yeah, so I'll provide updates for tag runtime. We've had a lot of activity. Different projects. Also with the working groups. So in terms of presentations and and projects I have presented in our meeting. We have a project called KCP presented in August. Third, this is a Kubernetes control. Kubernetes like control planes from managing cloud infrastructure. We also had a presentation from craft kit. This is a unit kernel tooling that that will happen a few weeks ago. Yeah, it's a project that I think a lot of you are familiar with it. Right now, the graduation is in progress. I think the public coming or maybe I think it's also the voters out. But but this is not has not quite graduated and voting. Great. In terms of projects that graduated is we have cryo and cute flow so yeah so we couple of very popular projects and useful projects cute flow now with all the machine learning hype so it's good to see that. We had a presentation from slim toolkit. This is a project that allows you to this in our last meeting, allows you to trim container images. And in terms of Kubernetes and workload workloads type of projects, we will have coordinator presented on August 17th. This allows to create quality of service for workloads. Another project called cube beam helps with the cluster lifecycle management Kubernetes will they will present on August 31. And Karmata, it allows it to do Kubernetes cluster management to and this project is currently in due diligence review we have a to see sponsors as Nikita erasure. And also in initial due diligence review. We did have a presentation on cube clipper another Kubernetes management system so a lot of different Kubernetes management systems to our cube is a infrastructure as code automation tool that we reached out to. And finally we had a presentation from wasm cloud. The project has actually grown and they've had a lot of more contributions so they're planning to go for incubation. In terms of tag runtime activities for keep coming North America we're planning a session and a space, we did have a space at the last cube con EU was very successful at a lot of participation so excited to plan that out and hopefully a lot of the folks participate. And, and I think there have been a lot of conversations on sandbox reviews. So we're getting ready to start doing that. So we're the TLC members and the community are defining the process so we're excited to get that started and get help from all the different folks with the sandbox review so we've gotten a lot of people interested in participating and helping out. In on our work groups. We have a few working groups a container orchestrated device that working group of the. We just created the GitHub TNC of tags organization so they're going to get started with migrating some of the work that they've been doing with container container devices standards so they will in that there so they're also excited about that. In terms of the wasm working group so finally got created the charter was created and started to me regularly. They're also very excited about wasm con that's happening next month and a lot of folks in that group are participating in our batch working group. They're working on a document to to describe some of the batch scheduling high performance computing scheduling terms. So the edge IOT working group, they're working on a new white paper it's the ideal design patterns for it's native principles so they're the last work white paper was on it's native principles so this is more about ideal design patterns. And they're also working looking at the intersection and working with wasm working group and seeing how they can tie together with with the edge so there's a lot of overlap there. And finally, we created another working group called a special purpose operating system working group. We got a lot of folks interested in the community from different projects, Rajas who's on the call now he's leading that effort. I'm very excited to see that happen in a lot of different projects in the space like bottle rocket tallows flat car Cairo so all of them getting together and coming up with a charter to advance the community and advance the space. That's it for the updates. Happy to take any questions if anybody has any. Any questions for tag runtime. I had a question, Ricardo. Thank you again for, you know, the state level of detail, really exciting. The coupon any space in session and I would like to you know figure out if we could also collaborate somehow from the tag observability. Is this something that you're working with the cube con organizers on getting space or how does that work. Yeah, we can sync up offline on slack and there's with the CNC F basically yeah so. Okay, at the last cube con, I think a lot of the tags. We had a dedicated space where, you know, they, a lot of folks in different working groups and community members sat down and talked about their work and talked about they, I mean, some of them actually created an agenda, you know, different presentations or topics to talk about so it's kind of like an, like an open room to talk about different things. But yeah, so but you can say you're talking with the project meetings here. Yeah, they're the project meetings, essentially, yeah. But there's some that there were a lot of tags that actually had that meeting. Besides, you know, specific CNC projects. I see I see because I mean I typically have no we have not done that from tag observability would be great to do that cross project, you know, meeting. We do do you know obviously the projects themselves do, do have project meetings. But I'll get more details from you again that would be great to do at the tag tag level. Thank you. Yep. Yeah, and I think there's also some other initiative to get all of the tag leads together in some other time slot. George is working on a tag meet and great. And if you're not aware of that there is a thread in the tag chairs channel. Also, Emily, thank you for calling that out. And I'll make him come by and do a presentation on like, I think September. George will come by and get on for a tag meet and great. I mean we usually do an informal, you know, dinner invite for everyone to gather up but it's just that it would be nice to have a slightly more organized space. So thank you. Any other questions for tag runtime. Hey, Ricardo for that white people around ideal design patterns for edge native principles is there an open issue for that for folks that are interested in joining. I'll have to go back and check with the ith working group with. I'll come back to you to you that but they're. Yeah, so if there isn't an issue, I'll actually ask them to create an issue so it makes it easier to. Yeah, that would be very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. All right, next up is tag observability. All right. I think there it is can see my slide. Okay, hi everyone. Good morning. Today, from the tag observability we've been pretty pretty pretty busy on our work groups where we have started focusing in on two specific work groups. The new latest one is the query language standard work group which again was approved in late May. And again has had lots of interest from the industry, different end users as well as veterans participating. And we have currently we're working on the use case and language descriptor descriptions and the DSL designer interview questions that is looking at you know what are some of the DSL that exists today in the form of query languages and also getting feedback from architects who are designing these DSLs right for for different observability projects that already exist such as prom QL or or other vendor query languages such as elastic QL and others. Lots of excitement and again, a lot of participation in these meetings. And we are actually alternating them on the two Tuesdays when the science the tag meeting itself is not very held so we're pretty busy all all through the month. And work group that has been ongoing for a while and as super key to actually continuing to have discussions best practices and build out around the observability of Kubernetes is in progress. Some of the things that we have done as we work very closely with many of the projects and the observability space, you've taken the project demo that application that exists on open telemetry which is in community project within open telemetry and taken as an baseline to be enhanced as an app to observe and fundamentally instrumenting that for Kubernetes infrastructure metrics tracing so that you know it can be used as an model for starting off instrumentation on your infrastructure and set up right so this this work group has been kind of working towards a more practical and goal which you know and users can take and use. Again, there's some good first issues outlined and we continue to you know get folks involved, but would like to see more folks involved in this process because you know today the community is kind of split across the project. SIG instrumentation group on the Kubernetes project itself and then the tag work as well as the projects and observability. Right so again, having more cohesion there would be helpful. Another call out for the observability projects and I love the idea that Pushkar in, you know, introduced off tracking different projects and what state they're in with the project board I've looked at the TOC project boards thank you again you know they're helpful and we emulate that you know on the tag observability side also where we can track and refer to the TOC project boards, you know it through through that it's really a great way to represent you know status as well as communicate, you know what's in progress. So there's a question here that I had, and as you know open cost is one of the cost observability projects which are under the observability domain. Cube cost is another one of them. And I was curious as to you know whether these projects which have cost optimization observability very key in the end user world especially are projects that we should have a special section for in the observability space. And I'd like to discuss a bit more you know offline on this but it's a special you know type of projects if you will that you know border on cost optimization from an infrastructure point of view and also measurement. So they have different parameters that are associated with it and I would like to have more clarity on what that means from a review perspective right for for going through the incubation graduation process. But nonetheless cube open cost is in review right now by the TOC and look, look forward to helping on that. Meetings and highlights, we are deep in also in the midst of discussing cube con prep and also super excited for you know the Chicago meetings coming up. Just just a couple months away so not too far away. So again I'll stick up with Ricardo to get more info and you know figure out how we can actually have and going up in the project meetings. We've also been maintaining a speaker series where we invite different experts from across the industry as well as on the different projects who are working and contributing to various projects. So we have three performance enhancements today we have a speaker, you know series right after on Thanos performance enhancements again. This continues to be very popular and very informative as a bunch of talks. So, they are posted on our YouTube channel, but would like to figure out if we can actually do some more follow up and maybe have a process for reiterating, you know, the availability of a speaker series so that you know more folks can leverage it through the CNCF groups. And last but not least again huge thanks to the TOC for you know continuing to look at how the tags can help and formalizing that process again I hope that you know the tag folks who have contributed for a long time can get more involved and support the to see and thank you again. And any questions. Yeah, any questions for tag observability. I had a quick question. Have you considered moving the repos under the absolve kids get have worked to maybe the CNCF tax. Yes, we, we actually Nikita started the second group within the tag observability get have worked so we are taking into account for sure, because it's easier for you know, the word groups to be consolidated. Thank you. I had a quick question and this is probably more exploratory to do offline, but for the cost of measurements for open cost and other projects, similarly to that. It might be beneficial to engage with tag environmental sustainability because I think there is some measurement and some observation overlap between the two. I think that they are working with the Falco project to explore better transparency and its utilization of compute in cloud and cognitive environments so that might be. There might be an opportunity for cross tag partnership and collaboration on projects such as that. I'll definitely will do that. Thank you for the suggestion. Is there, I'll just bring you on slack to get a point of contact. Leo or Marlowe and Leo is there. Okay. Yeah. I'll reach out to you. Thank you. Yeah. All right, tag network. All right. All right, we have two projects to talk about today. So one just presented this last Thursday at spider pool. It's proposed for sandbox spider pool is lots of Kubernetes Kubernetes underlay network solution. So it's, it's about six years old actually spin spin there for a while they only recently brought it open the folks that are maintaining it are. They're from dark cloud and are in a nascent way trying to build community and contribute external contribution around the project it was started as an IPAM centric thing. It is not accurate to call it another CNI, although, although it is a CNI, and it does integrate with weave and Calico if they're present. All right, it's a sandbox proposal. It's the thing that we focused on most since last time I gave an update here. There is another project to that's going to prep. Well, it's going to present next time in a couple of weeks, he's grass, which I was just learning about earlier today. On the call actually so I didn't have it listed here. I will do a sandbox review of their will do will have them present and keep some notes. I will try to write up a bit more notes about spider pool and their presentation and how far along they are as a project. To the extent that that's helpful as I'm assuming like has the the to see hasn't necessarily reviewed this one just yet. I believe they're they're up for our next sandbox review cycle for going through the new applications, which I think is September timeframe sometime in mid mid September we have to figure out dates right now we've got it for September 12. I think it's probably going to move to the 26th. Yeah, but like September track for September that part is at least certain. I'll write up a couple of notes to the extent that it, that it's helpful. It always is any time a tag is reviewing one of the sandbox applications any notes observations, anything like that is always beneficial as the to see goes through and reviews those applicants. I think we'll digress is the one we'll take a look at in a couple of weeks, and, and we are off to try to drum up some additional. Well, some additional activity it's been a long time since we've invited like the Kubernetes sig network or some of the sub sig network. We have some working groups over there to come and present. We haven't for a while reached out in general, soliciting the open community to come and use it as a forum for discussion and presentation so what's time. Amy, Amy, Amy is well aware that it's time. Anyway, it's time for us to. It's great to see you here I'm looking forward to being able to see like kind of new things happening for network. Yeah, so this. So we're, we've got a couple of other co chairs at the moment who are. Yeah, who are only only so available only so involved was chatting with Lynn son about coming in as a co chair as well. And so, you all might see a suggestion about that soon. So that will help in terms of getting some more activity going on. Awesome. Thanks Lee for the updates. Any questions for anyone. No. Okay. How environmental sustainability. Hello. So I think we, I talked about this also in the last meeting. We've been starting planning the cloud name sustainability week. So the last month, we had two meetings and we have actually every two weeks now at a meeting where we plan the event. If you're not aware, this is one week, the second week of October where we will have a lot of local meetups. So there are the community groups from this in CF. And we reached out and we have right now, I believe. 27 local meetups signed up. So I think this is quite a big number. So we will see how many will scheduled at the end maybe there will be some edits. I don't know, but I'm very excited about that. And we have next week to meetings with the local meetup organizers to think about the event. So they are aware of everything which is going on. And they can also give feedback. So we have enough time to change the event. So a lot going on on this front. Our hope is to raise more awareness and also to route back, for example, to the landscape document. And to some other efforts where we need just more input or in general would like to understand where the industry is at and the community is at. So I think this is a very interesting event. And the next thing is a small one. Last month we written down a contributor maturity path. So this is document a Mac don't document, which we added to our governance. And this is just one thing which we link to new joiners if they're interested in how to mature as a contributor in the tag. There's a lot of stepstones kind of where you can focus on if you're in this stage. And if you're interested in leading, for example, working group, this gives some some guidance how to reach this point. This has been very well received. I like we got quite a few comments about this, not sure. We will observe over time if this document is of a lot of views, maybe this can also be adopted by other tags, or maybe other tags have a similar strategy. The next next thing is formation of the working group green reviews. So this is also on a discussion for quite some time we had two additional meetings where we talked about the charter. And the charter is now under review. Actually, it's kind of at the end of the review cycle there just a few comments open. So maybe we will tweak it a little bit, but other than that, I think it's pretty finalized. We had also a meeting with Falco, they re invited Falco, one Falco maintainer last, I think last meeting or the week meeting before Falco is very interested in a partnership. So they're proposing to kind of kickstart be the pilot project where we can assess and tweak project reviews. So that's very, very great that they are proactive and that they are very interested. And I think with this partnership we can define like a more general guideline, which we can also use to review all other C&C projects at some point. That's the goal. But there's a lot of work to do. Very excited about that. The next thing. Right, close a partnership with the green software foundation. So there are a lot of things in the green software foundation which are kind of interesting to us. Working on standards, for example, or they also propose in the meeting tomorrow that will present us like a new framework which can also be interested in to assess the sustainability footprint of projects. There's quite some overlap. And we kind of are more, we are engaging with the green software foundation from the start but we are intensifying this a little more. And also, they're intensifying this from their side. So I think this is very good to partner more actively. We also attend meetings. So we are in a better sync and also collaborate cross organizations and projects about the landscape document. There's been a couple of smaller additions to the landscape document. It's on the website if you're interested. We're still in a stage where we know their gaps. So with the cloud name sustainability week, for example, but also with cube corn and some other events. We hope to raise a little bit more awareness so folks can kind of roll back and add their content and maybe like point out some gaps that we have. So maybe if you come across some areas which are kind of interesting kind of new in the discussion about environment sustainability. Maybe you could give us a hint or just add a pull request, if you would like. But this is on our minds to extend this until cube corn. We want to cut like a new version kind of or we want to show the new additions of the landscape document every cube corner so. So that's one thing. Also, the working group comms. We had a discussion about the state of the working group because it's kind of in a strange state. It's not, it's already approved, but we need to more formally understand maybe where the Charter is at, even if like working group comes is kind of obvious where it's going. But still we will kind of circle back a little bit and sit down for a week and drafted draft up a Charter and then discuss the Charter and start engaging folks. So we have a more proper structure of the working group. And I think that's a very good change. And we are looking for folks who are interested in this kind of communication outreach work. So if you know someone would be great. But we will send more comms about this after we have to charter up or slowly before carries carries in the lead to tech lead. And so probably she will send comms about that. And then one thing which I forgot to put on the slides is an area which is kind of important to beneath his environment sustainability. In our efforts, this is kind of not covered that well. I mean, it's part of the landscape document. But it would be great. It's what like one goal of us that we maybe write a white paper about and communities and environment sustainability at some point, maybe end of the year or when we have to set up right folks engage and so on. So in the next week, we will reach out to folks and probably join some communities sick meetings. Sounds excellent Leo and a good activity to track on your roadmap for tag environmental sustainability. That's true. Any questions for tag environmental sustainability. All right, next slide. I contributed strategy. Howdy, I'm going to do a little tag teaming here. For the first part, just a quick roundup on progress of things for mentoring LFX is going to have term three for the year starting tomorrow actually. So, if you're involved with any projects that might that have mentorship projects, etc. be aware of those deadlines for governance. We've continued on the governance, the currently in development government reviews. We did flat car according to the draft template and we're changing some of the template. Materials details, at which point we can actually submit that for approval by the TOC. After that the next step is to actually work on a self assessment guide. The same as the security assessment. So projects can actually hopefully assess their own progress before it comes to a formal review. Moving on which is again sort of combined governance and contributor strategy thing is a document on how to have a public roadmap and how to use the public roadmap as a way to recruit contributors. That led to some work on our own roadmap. And Rian has been hard at work and has gotten all of our open issues into the project board for tag contributor strategy. And then we're in the process of going through those, removing the ones that are no longer relevant, assigning ones that are the, but it's actually pretty good shape right now so overall if you want to know what tag contributor strategy is working on, you can look at the project board. We also held Dave ran a June maintainer circle on creating roles in your project facility by Paris Pittman about creating contributor roles in the recruitment tool. But the exciting thing is that we have some new initiatives. And so I want to turn this over to Catherine. So, I mean, we mentioned that already last time but a lot has happened since then. So we do have a deaf and hard of hearing working group. And we have 17 members already, most of them, which kind of joined in the last few weeks, due to our social media campaign and someone telling someone else and so on. And so we do have that little doc where we kind of capture why people are joining and who they are and I invite everyone to check it out it's really nice and see to see like all these different backgrounds and what motivates people to join. And at least gives me more energy to kind of continue this work. We had our very first official meeting last week. Our current focus is coordinate like continue a coordinated social media campaign so we get more people. Not everyone will be able to contribute we just want to have a place where we can reach as many deaf and hard of hearing people in our community so for instance if people want to go to cube con or something we can organize a little bit so we need people who work, but we also need people who just joined the channel so we can reach them and maybe ask feedback for things so not everyone needs to contribute. And we're also starting to organize or work right like seeing like what do we want to work on and so on. And we did have like our very first media appearance even before our first meeting which is amazing so thanks to the CNCF PR team that got one of our members spot on CNBC to talking about the importance of accessibility. And then another working group which is just in the forming. So we are working on a higher at working group which will be completely faculty led right so we have one professor, a length and white from Boston University who is the first lead on this initiative and the goal is basically to create a cloud native curriculum that is open source that anyone can access, and also providing a platform for professors around the world to connect, maybe collaborate, also mentor each other, you know like maybe there are like some universities that are much further along have more resources and then they could collaborate with universities that have less resources and kind of mentor them on how teaching those skills. So basically want to make cloud native education accessible everywhere no matter where you live, and what kind of university you or where your university is located. And so there is already a solid program outlines and has done a lot of work so if you I think the higher ed is linked to that issue you can see that it's yeah very great like the whole idea is really good and very thought through so check it out. And right now the current focus is really recruiting faculty members from different universities and universities around the world so we're also doing a some social media campaign there because that's like how it's the easiest to reach people so look out for those and please share because you may have faculty in your network, even if you don't know it and same thing with the deaf and hard of hearing we're continuing to do that. Thank you so much. Fantastic. Any questions. I'm not very brief. Catherine there is. There's a cloud native playground that's been part of the one of the working groups in tag network that is intended to be used for a few different things but one of them is as a training platform for people who are learning kubernetes not just kubernetes but any of the projects. And so I wonder if that would be of help to this initiative to the higher ed working group so I'll go mention it maybe point out some details about it. If you could like maybe just share the link. So there's just the concept and then we need to start creating but again we don't need to reinvent the wheel there are lots of resources out there and just like maybe taking things here and there and then building that curriculum that makes sense for academia but like information is out there so if you can share the link I'll share that in the channel thank you. Yeah. Catherine thank you again for going through these work groups pretty exciting on the higher ed work group again. It's great to see Langdon rights work in you know in kind of charting out the curriculum initially but I'm also curious about whether, you know, given that there has been a lot of effort with open source, you know initiatives for learning and just introducing different programming languages as well as other projects you know in in the past into universities, if the this work group will intersect and leverage some of those because you know typically large projects like those are Linux distributions, or, you know, other Apache core projects have had education initiatives, you know, with the universities of writing, or collaborating with them on in this new generation of technologies and open source might be a useful thing, because again reinventing the same efforts you know in every in silos doesn't help. Yeah, well the idea is like we have some one professor joined as well and then who has already a curriculum right and yes, I'll donate that and it's like, well that's a great work start right. The more people collaborate and build it the better it will be so it's like yeah let's start with that and then like, I mean like the more people who have already done their own curriculum out there, and join us and then we can make like the take the best out of it and create so that's ideal right So, and also I think there are other initiatives there is an AI or something data one that is also from the Linux Foundation that I saw where there is so this has been happening so it's not the first. So, the idea is like, once we have like a solid group of faculty members is like reaching out to these groups and maybe ask them like their experience and advice and we definitely don't want to be doing this as a silo. So, repurposing everything that's out there for sure and then also learning from other groups who have done this before and so we can don't do the same pitfall so we learn from there to know so definitely something we want to do. But I mean I think maybe this the MCF can help there in terms of just you know, getting the word out because I think that that's the first step to folks just you know getting more involved. Yeah, first we need to find the group right like we need to find we have someone else as well and it's like, but that's not enough and we want as well to be sure we don't have like five professors from the United States right we want to have some people in Europe and northern America and Latin America and Asia so we want to have like a very diverse group of individuals working on this. So that's very important. Yes. Excellent. So, any other questions for higher education and tag contributor strategy just drop them over in their Slack channel. We've got one more tag and four minutes. Tag after delivery apologies for the shorter time frame today. Anyone from tag up delivery on the call. We might not have anybody day. Okay. I know there's still a. So the chair elections, I know one went out for a tech lead but the chair elections are still. We're still waiting for people to confirm. I believe, because I know Josh is up for a chair. And others so I'm not sure where that's at. Again, I wasn't prepared to speak about this so. Hey, thanks. We have the working group the working the platforms working group has been really active. And there was another working group meeting last Thursday. So please go review the working group notes. And please join the platform working group. I don't have an update on the artifacts. Okay. Well, I'll be prepared next time in case one of them don't show up. So. That's the update. No worries. I have questions for tag app delivery. Go ahead and drop them over in the tag app delivery channel. And Justin had just posted in chat that he's working on the loose ends for chair elections. Real quick on projects applying to move levels. Apologies that this content is not recently up to date. And it looks like there's a few things that were inaccurate. Or placed in the wrong area. But what we're working on it within the TOC is providing better transparency for our project board. So there is an incubating and it graduated. Moving levels project board and I'm currently working through. Identifying state changes and statuses for all of the TOC issues and PRs that we have and all the work that we have before us to include a calendar so that folks understand. Where the TOC's work is currently being distributed or focused throughout the year. So stay tuned for more changes on that in the next couple of weeks. TOC members with content on screen or not reflected here. That are sponsoring projects. Do you all have any updates? I can talk about both of them like they're not going to use it and I just need to take another pass of the new divisions. And they should be moving to TOC internal review soon. So if there are no blockers, then we might also like after the internal reviews, we might move to public comments soon. Anyone else. So for the crowd party, it's not put here. It's already done. Well, graduation. And also there's another party for crowd events, which is also not here. Yeah, it's just started. Yeah, I'm the TLC sponsor for that. Right then. Any questions? Fabulous. Real quick on the update for a sandbox annual reviews, you should receiving an email notification today on next steps for the TOC. I'll also post it in the tag chairs channel. We've tried to keep it super simple. But we're fully expecting that after this first go around, we'll have quite a few changes and then we'll formalize the new process with the PR to the TOC repo. So please. Stay tuned for more. Thanks everyone. Thank you.