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There was a boat in the way Only a few minutes out so you can watch me approach station and it's gonna be amazing I'm starting in the car at all station. Yeah, I gotta say it looks like you're coming in hot because there's a lot of There's a lot of red so I can only assume that the Atmospheric heating is really starting to become bad for you there. So Tesla makes these shuttlecraft with autopilot. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's good We also have from across the pond the ever-helpful Ryan Definitely one of our experts that we have on the show glad to have you on today Ryan And then over into the control room The data that's right data. Yes, that's right There's data and as we always say data is good data is wise because that's data for us here So a little bit of that brief intro there and Jamie we're looking forward to when you get to 204 At that point at that point when you get here and we'll you will come through the airlock You got the depress and then repress and then Unpress and and up and down press and some other presses AB AB starts like yeah, exactly. It's it's peacecake There's a very good chance when he's the space toilet before I actually make it into the observation lounge Then because that in itself is a process. Yeah, it's gonna say And this has been a very long shuttle ride up to station. I don't know how many people It takes a minute like we didn't we couldn't do direct approach on this one I'm just saying And there are no bad things on this shuttle pod. Yeah, so read the instructions It's a long set, but I think you'll be good With it there and if you're kind of tuning in right now wondering what is going on This is tomorrow We are a show that talks about spaceflight and some other things that happen in space and space sciences As sort of our wheelhouse for that we have our own you know tomorrow news, which if you Definitely like of more formal Kind of way of doing things tomorrow space news is definitely going to be your speed But if you like just kind of talking with us, that's the way we do it And we've also got you in our chat room as well So if you're watching us on YouTube, we've got you in the chat room and we can actually talk to you So I see hoop-a-ball is saying Close the hatches So I guess Jamie we're gonna have to Unfortunately, we can't do that right now Put your seatbacks in the vertical position Yeah, we are not gonna open the pod bay doors for Jamie as she approaches. I'm sorry Jamie. I cannot do that Yeah, we there's no more conversation to have with that there Easy All right now that we've lost like half of the audience that's okay, though The the good half is still here with us but as you can imagine it has been a Particularly busy week in spaceflight Ryan you were talking last week about how it felt like nothing was going on that there was just yeah Like I shouldn't have said that should I know you shouldn't have because Now we have a whole I I would almost say a whole episode episode episode of things To talk about today because there has obviously been Some big world events that have gone down over the past 48 to 72 hours that are definitely Definitely going to be having wide felt repercussions Not just all over in regular not just in regular life, but also for those of us who work in the spaceflight industry All of us who are on the show are very close to the spaceflight industry in our own unique ways So these things are kind of kind of important for for us so with the focus of The invasion of Ukraine Sort of on the spaceflight world. It's it's been a bit of a shock overall with that I guess that's how I would describe it in in terms of most things the the Unthinkable now actually happening With that and there are some things that have been coming with that some not so great things But also there are some things that Have we're already in place. I guess I would already say with that and event and kind of Just kind of continuing it where it is so Here in the United States We're kind of looking at What's kind of looking at the overall picture of what's going on with the spaceflight industry and the effect of the invasion of Ukraine Here and there are There are repercussions that are already happening at least here in the United States We've got sanctions that the United States has put forward and of course, it's not just the United States. It's doing that There are a large number of countries and in several groups like the European Union that are also throwing sanctions forward But looking at it from a spaceflight perspective There are sanctions that are going to be affecting The work that Russia is going to be able to do because of their invading of Ukraine and our President here in the United States Joe Biden has actually mentioned some Mentioned the space industry in Russia specifically yesterday in a speech that he gave Overall about it, but also want to talk about to Ryan that over in on your side of the Atlantic You've also your country's also been talking about it as well Yes, so in Parliament on Thursday There was a question asked or raised about the International Space Station and I think data has the clip rolled up of what happened in the commons And yes militarily in order to ensure that that is the case and that's what we're doing Prime Minister's right to have set out the most stringent possible set of sanctions against the government of Russia Can he outline for the house what the implications will also be for cooperation at the International Space Station? I thank him. I thank him very much. I will have to see What what further downstream effects there are on on collaboration of all kinds? I must say that hitherto I have been broadly in favor of continuing artistic and scientific Collaboration, but in the current circumstances It's hard to say see how even those can continue as normal I think that's really important that last bit right there even in the current circumstances I find it hard to continue as normal Yeah It's a it's a very unique circumstance now that we're in that we haven't been in for a very very long time at least not in my lifetime so You can see you can see why why he said it in that way But it's also not that it's not that simple. There's there's a lot of things that go into If just talk about the International Space Station, there is so much that goes into that from so many different nations So many different experiments technology and companies as well based in different nations. You kind It's not just Yeah, this is hard to explain. This isn't this is not a simple problem to solve. Yes This is an immensely complex issue. This is there is not There is not a straight and narrow path as to where a solution lay With something like this, especially If you're involved in space flight, it is just a bit of a mess and trying to figure things out with that But yeah, it's pretty pretty tough So let's go ahead and throw it to another leader president Biden here from the United States to hear what he had to say because he actually did Specifically mention aerospace and Russia's space program in his speech So let's go ahead and take a listen is the aggressor Putin chose this war and now he in his country will bear the consequences Today, I'm authorizing additional strong sanctions and new limitations on what can be exported to Russia This is going to impose severe cost on the Russian economy both immediately and over time Between our actions and those of our allies and partners. We estimate that will cut off more than half of Russia's high-tech imports And we'll strike a blow to their ability to continue to modernize their military It'll degrade their aerospace industry including their space program It'll hurt their ability to build ships reducing their ability to compete economically And it will be a major hit to Putin's long-term strategic ambitions Yeah, that's Those are some strong words in terms of yeah of how the space industry will be affected But it's also it's strong words that are also very vague. Yes, right Like it's it's going to hurt these things and he really kind of mentioned aerospace, right? So, okay. Yeah, like they probably will hurt aerospace But what does that mean because we have a partnership between gross cosmos and NASA on the International Space Station? so Is that going to hurt that like when he says? Russian Aerospace what is that and I appreciate the intro. Thank you very much for handling this while I was gone I do want to I do want to just say one quick thing which is We are all space nerds and so we're looking at this from the space nerd angle, right? Yes, but this like we looked it up in pre-show. There is a legitimate declaration of war here This is war and yeah, there's the space side of this, but this is so much bigger than just space Yeah, so we're looking at this from the space angle But there are people suffering and people hurting and you know that that is about like that is awful and horrible Mm-hmm, and so we recognize and appreciate that's occurring But also this does have impacts in space. I'm not Verced enough to really speak about anything other than the aerospace side and even then I'm not super versed I think I can just ask a bunch of questions along with with everyone else But that's what we as space nerds are kind of like able to focus on on a space show So I just yeah, you bring in some context as to why we're talking specifically about it tonight Yeah, it's obviously this is not a good situation in the slightest There is no good in this situation. No, there isn't no at all and it is It's Horrifying that this is that this was even thought possible let alone that it's actually occurring So Yeah, it's really it's tough to talk about it. You know, we were we were kind of Speaking over the past couple of days as to how we were actually even gonna approach it On the show because this it's this is just not easy to discuss It's difficult and I don't want to belittle the situation by being like, oh my god The space right that that's not our intention here like it's an awful situation We all understand that but also it does have broader impacts. Yes, then just the Horrible and instead it is it does have it kind of reaches out into other parts of society And one of those things that reaches out into is aerospace. Yeah, and you know with with some of the things that could be Impacted by that it could end up being things that are a part of your everyday life that actually do get impacted And and that is something worth discussing Simply because there it's no longer like oh, you know This is something we would expect to have in like a Tom Clancy novel, you know There are there are some things now that we can look at and say very seriously, you know, oh, this is this is now a Possibility of actually happening Just if Gruber has an interesting comment set which is did someone say it's hard year Which is the international trade and arms regulations and export I forget what export arms Regulation or something like that forget what year is and that's effectively To make that overly simplistic. It's a series of rules that US Companies have to abide by almost at aerospace companies, but it's not really even just aerospace. It's US companies or citizens as well have to abide by to ensure that We're not allowing people who shouldn't get access to technology that can harm other people acts or data Access that technology or data. Yes, right? Yeah, that's an oversimplification of what it is But there you go. Yeah, and yeah, that was actually born out of a major issue where data was Taken from the United States in the 90s and used by other countries to develop rockets and other things like that. So Yeah, but I mean, you know the a rocket is the difference between a Military rocket and a rocket with a scientific probe on it is the payload essentially You know it can You know the ICBMs are very much derivatives of rock of rockets have been developed, you know, I mean they are rockets Human rockets are derivative of ICBM. Thank you. I was just about to correct myself with that Which is that in the early days of the US space program and even Russia's space program, too It was ICBMs, but we just swapped out the nuclear warhead with a person. So yeah, rocket. Don't care if it's missile or man Yeah, it will it will launch However, they'll launch whatever it put on it the way I describe it to people when I'm giving tours and whatnot I was like, you know, what is the difference between a rocket and a missile and I answer it with the direction of travel? Yeah, that's a good way to put it. So or or the payload payload necessarily Okay, we're gonna get into semantics here that don't matter. Yeah, exactly. Yep So, okay, so cover that we understand space show Things are going on Sanctions from the US Russia's not pleased. No, right But we have international cooperation on the International Space Station. Yes, specifically with Russia and so when President Biden says hey, we're putting sanctions on Russia And we're going to impact their aerospace program. It's like, okay Well, well, let's say not just aerospace but literally name-dropping and their space program Oh, yeah, so their space program like not just hey We're only gonna go after the defense manufacturers. It was like and their space program right as well so so Yeah, not just the not just a war machine, but also Anything that you can associate with anything adjacent. Yeah. Yeah anything that has a direct Positive use from this. We're going after it, right? So International Space Station. Yes, what does that mean because we've got an international partnership As Ryan brought up Yeah, like Boris Johnson was basically Boris Johnson basically said hey I think you know internet if I were to sum that up it was like, yeah I agree with the international partnership. I agree with scientific partnership, but I'm not sure how I can see that moving forward Is that a good summary of what he said? Yeah, that's pretty much what he said But he also used a fun word like here in four here in here to four here to who to four. Yeah, I was like, whoa Big words. How pretty nice of commons for you so The problem is you can't do that We Russia is integrated directly into the International Space Station, right? Mm-hmm So There's a comment from NASA specifically that kind of does talk about Like this is an official comment from NASA from the I believe it was the NASA You know, I didn't actually it might have been PR I should have actually validated who it was from but that's definitely PAO Yeah, I don't think it's the director. I don't think that's that's PAO, right? So continues working with all international partners including the space state Corporation Roscosmos No changes are planned to the agency support for ongoing in orbit and ground station operations And that is important that is very very important because there are two key parts to the space station You've got kind of the propulsion keeping it in orbit and the power generation Keeping it powered and in orbit, right? Yes propulsion Roscosmos power America Right, so here's a this was on CNN Astronaut Garrett Riesman said the Russian segment cannot function without the electricity on the American side And the American side cannot function without the propulsion systems are on the Russian side so then you then you start looking on Twitter and you start going in the space community and There are some clever like okay. Can we get around this? Can we use? Can we use Dragon and Cygnus. I was like so use no can we use Defeats the point I can you use Dragon and Cygnus to do station keeping right because you need to boost you need to keep station is There's still drag with station. It's still kind of like slowly falling to earth effectively It's slowing down which effective is bad, right? You need to speed it up and keep it in orbit So those aren't solar panels. They're solar sails. They're solar sails. Yeah, they're big drag makers Yeah, they're solar drags. They're not solar panel like they're not you're not really sailing through anything. So Can we do that I Mean it's possible is it so the latest Cygnus that just flew up is about is go is scheduled to perform its first ever operational reboost of the International Space Station and that launched a week before Russia decided to invade Ukraine. So the the capability is there for a reboost from Cygnus, although Doing that long term over however long it's gonna be Maybe forever. I'm not sure if that's an option for For that spacecraft and I'm not sure about Dragon either. Oh for Dragon You would have to use the I think primarily you would want to use the Draco thrusters and those are gonna be Covered So the ones that would do like reboosting and stuff are on are on the front. They're where you Doc at so you can't use those to do it. You can't also Super Draco's out of the question obviously Come on That could be fun, you know, we could find out what the ignition point of titanium is again Everyone grab on to something. We're gonna boost the station. Yeah, hold on Yeah, that's also a consideration that you have to think of too, which is that you that if you do build a new system To boost the space station you have to make sure that it doesn't exceed the structural limits of what? The station can actually take I feel like they fire the Super Draco's it just snap that That would be very bad, so let's not do that. This is another good one Super Draco would boost the station to the moon But also, yeah, there's another that one right there from Jason one Sane sickness can do orbit boosting but not de-saturation. What's de-saturation here? So there are these things called moment gyros or controlled gyros on the international space station They're they're things that are spinning really really fast like that. There you go. There's your jiff for the show and You have to slow them you have to provide momentum either to spin them up or slow them down and That is where propulsion comes in handy because you can use that energy released from propulsion to either spin them up Or slow them down and we call that de-saturation. So there you go That's what happens and if you cannot de-saturate your gyros your gyros can either spin to a stop Which is bad or spin up so fast. They essentially destroy themselves through rotational force and that's bad, too So so the right now there's quite a bit of fuel I forget how many thousands of pounds of fuel that Roscosmos brings up for station keeping effectively. Yeah It's a lot it is it is so much more than what we have going on it to your point dragon That's Unless something special, but you know Never put a bass bass X to come up with something. I was gonna say dragon has a trunk Yeah, but Duncan, but Duncan indeed with all that with none of that junk in its trunk very often Going up. So just figure out a module like a like a propulsion module you could put in the Doesn't that the junk chunk of the dragon you said the engineer's most despised word, which is just Sorry, sorry Those are the most despised word data It's not that hard Yeah, you know for some fun stuff with the super dracos, you know kind of throwing back Oh my god I did see somebody last night suggest that they should take a stage two from Falcon 9 and Attach it to the station and do station keeping now What's the lowest throttle setting Like how how deeply can they throttle an mvac engine the lowest possible It's like you have to deeply throttle an engine in order to land it, but those are the sea level engines But I don't know the answer to this just drop a first file a first stage Falcon You got a Falcon one, you know, I've got a few of them which have launched several times. Yeah Falcon heavy There you go. You can just yeah You but you only you leave the side boosters on and then you don't launch you don't ignite the side boosters that lift off You just let them keep going. Yep. Mm-hmm. Okay. That makes sense. Yep. All of this is coming together You're welcome or we just wait till Starship's operational because that thing is basically the size of the space of the space station Just a couple of them up there and just just get them to boost the station. We've solved this problem So the point is off to it live on air the point does none of this will work, right? Like you can't do this these two things are our links together Why do we break data just get astronauts get out and push that one? Yeah, I like that one too Well, if you throw something hard enough, that's not that's not untrue. Just swim. That's not untrue. Yeah So nope We do have to still have a partnership with Roscosmos in some way because we need to do station keeping or we need to abandon station Yes, and that's I like Mm-hmm. And now so then look what someone asked on Twitter like okay, okay So Garrett Eastman went up a shuttle era, right? Yes, so it hasn't been around for a hot minute. So did Is this still a thing right we've had a lot of refurbishments to the station like we've done a lot of stuff like is this still true and After a G dog answered Still true station needs both the Russian and American segment capabilities to function Yeah So both of these things have to function on station in order for station to remain in orbit You cannot have one without the other yep Just because you've added on a new science module or just because you've added on new rollout solar arrays That does not mean that you have essentially broken off the the need or the or the ability to Decouple and fly and free fly away from whatever you're working with So Joseph Gruber brings up another interesting point, which is abandoned station that is an option It isn't option, but it is not an option that NASA would want and I got an option anyone can guarantee you It's not an option that that Roscosmos would want either Because Roscosmos definitely does not have anything in the pipeline That is realistic for at least the next decade for it through the 2020s There is not a realistic project that they have On the on even on the drawing board at certain points Let's be good You're not seeing an adaptement of Soyuz to go to Tiangong 3 because we've been we've been seeing That they were that they're willing to collaborate with the Chinese. That's true You know, that's that's very true that that China is willing to collaborate with Russia But I think I think one thing that we need to understand is that China is not going to give Russia a free meal in terms of The collaboration there's going to need to be either some kind of technique of major technical exchange or major money exchange and if If Russia thinks NASA is expensive Whether they meet China and their ambitions and what they're gonna want out of Russia So it's the it is not a scot-free exchange where Russia can just go to China and say hey China Can we just kind of like skip along with you on the side and do what we want China has their own? Specific ambitions. They are locked in they are laser focused And they are essentially going to do what they want not what Russia wants and that's not going to go down well With Roscosmos as we've seen over the past Over the past eight years since really the friction in space at least began if you will a little bit in 2014 when when We had our first sort of I guess taste of what ended up becoming the full-blown invasion of Ukraine Which was the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014 I do so there was Daniel has a comment of saying SpaceX has done station keeping it was in Emergency with space debris was it SpaceX that did that station keeping I Don't understand well there are there are side Draco There are Draco thrusters on the side of it. Yes. I I don't know so I'm not gonna attempt to answer that one so yeah But I put a nail in that particular coffin even if you get dragon going and even if you get sickness going That's still not enough They're still not enough to that doesn't even come close to what they would need for Permanence it's gonna take a lot to match what Roscosmos have done to the International Space Station and by a lot I mean an incredible amount. Yeah, also if we were to disband the International Space Station Does that mean that NASA gets Zarya because NASA paid for Zarya? Yeah, I just it is a mess That would be a messy divorce actually so it would be a messy divorce But Joseph Gruber has an interesting point that I had not thought of prior to this moment Which is station is a huge drag also fun pond. Thanks. That's great on the NASA budget to the detriment of lunar landings and Gateway so like does NASA secretly want to get rid of station so that they can refund all those congressional funds Over to Gateway be like oh well. We lost the station. Let's let's give Gateway more money Let's get all the money that went to station. Let's give it all the Gateway I'm not saying that's what's going to happen, but like interesting scenario. I don't I don't It doesn't feel like it because whatever else they've been trying to do has been getting the money It's needed even if it isn't Even if it isn't on the budget or in the books All the the extra finances funds needed for SLS for example to keep it afloat They they've somehow found the money even though there wasn't a budget for it to keep doing it Despite having ISS is up as well. Dada. Let's talk about SLS for a moment because that brings up an interesting point Everything's connected to everything else right and if we've got Sanctions against Russia Well if there are any Russian parts on the space launch system That's gonna be an issue for these upcoming launches like anywhere. So interestingly enough There's a tweet from Eric Berger the Psy guy space. I use ours, right? writes at ours What's up? ours is Berger's ours right ours technically. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so Tom Whitmer of NASA says he does not believe there are any components on the entire stack of space launch system Nor Orion that are sourced in Russia or Ukraine Orion service module does come from Europe, but that doesn't necessarily mean That we've got a problem there. So because like again rippling effects, right? If there was anything in there that would have been a problem for the space launch system So space launch system barring its own issues is still good to go outside of this particular Problem. Yeah, I was gonna say he's I was actually gonna ask is Ukraine a Member of the European Space Agency. I Legitimately do not know that we're all gonna turn to us cuz they were all looking at Ryan Except that he's cheating we're watching him cheat live on the air and Google it himself Don't think for a moment. We can't see you googling. This is a stall for time I definitely definitely didn't definitely didn't Google it and they're definitely not a member. Yeah Thank You Daniel Daniel also said So I was gonna say I'm not asking about the European Union. Oh, that's a good. That's a good point Agency yeah, we have that we have that chat. Yeah, so the United Kingdom is part We know they're part of the European Space Agency. There were people that were saying well wise Boris Johnson talking about it Not like that. They don't have anything. Well, they're they're a member of the European Space Agency So guess what they get to say they add money to it. So they therefore they are That's fair proxy if you will or whatever he's making fun of me because I was like this doesn't make any sense Like why are they commenting on this? They don't have a Budget for space and then both of them were like, yeah, they're part of ESA. So obviously he gets a say and I was like Yeah, I do feel like an idiot if you thought I said European Union. It's okay There's European in it, so That's the line as far as Americans are concerned With that I feel like I just but that's also a very common misconception that the the European Space Agency It's tied with the EU it isn't Canada has a member of the European Space Agency and they're most definitely not a part of the EU So being an EU member and being an ESA member are two completely different things like the UK left the EU We're still very much a member of ESA. We're both excited because we just saw a comment from a Larry King and neither one of us thought of this Did we? What this unless you thought of it? Oh, yes. Well, I'm aware of I I I saw I saw something from Tori Bruno Yesterday, I think they're ID 180s. They've all the ID 180s they need Apparently they've been sourced and they've got them. They've been fast-tracked. So ID 180s shouldn't be an issue They are in Utah. Yeah, okay, but I thought it was more than just the rd 180s I thought that in order for them to do all of this stuff with Atlas 5 They brought someone over from Russia to help with integration and all of the things. Is that not a true statement? I don't know. I don't I could be making stuff up, but it was my understanding that Russia was Directly related to like anything to do with that engine on that rocket Well, not the rocket just the engine Tori also did now did in a tweet say that essentially that the American personnel that work on the rd 180 have learned enough from Russia that we can actually operate independently of them And we don't have to have Russia overseeing our use of the rd 180 at this point I told Tony's can kind of confirming what I said, which is they do they do they have a team at the Cape Yeah, and then Misa also says the Antares first stage is from Ukraine. No, yes, it is. Yep, it absolutely is yeah Yeah, and that would in you know There has been no actual solid information about whether anything has happened in the area where that's happened it where the 181s and The first stage for Antares is made so as far as I'm concerned because there is no solid information There is no way to say whether Antares would be dead or not But if obviously if we're you were to lose the capability to build Antares from what I understand they do have enough for two more missions On Antares for the sickness, but also sickness is capable of being able to be stuck on like a Falcon 9 With that as well, so then it would need an adapter ring, right? You can't just stick it on I keep turning to look at data just so I can see his skin crawl. Yeah Yeah My skin is crawling. I'm just Multitasking yeah, oh oh Mac. This is another really great question. What does what would this mean for the space adventure just private flights? Well, cuz there are they exclusively on Soyuz I would say yes if for space adventures at least the axiom flights are on dragons Mm-hmm on space extra dragons, but it's not space adventure, right? That's its own thing. They're not so Yeah That's an great question. That is a great question Mac. I don't know yeah Here's another question. I want to ask to which is from Tony ship it Which is a how about Antonov aircraft, which many companies use for payload transport. That's very true You'll often see the a n124, you know that the big four-angent Cargo jet from Antonov often transporting payloads And not just payloads Around here in the United States. I mean also down to French Guiana as well In effects somebody I you know, I lost it. Oh, yeah, here we go Alex Markovicci saying one web launching on Soyuz again soon are they I Don't know cuz isn't one web a US company Wouldn't that be an export into Russia then effectively cuz they're buying well if you're launching from French Guiana you're Technically dealing with Europe which Soyuz rocket and and I believe yeah Yeah, again what a mess mm-hmm, so yeah That is not an a n124 That's the big boy. Yeah, that's the air just so people can see what we're looking at. That's the a 225 Ever everyone's looking at like what are you talking about? Yeah, we can see like we've got a screen where we can see what that is about to bring up and we all looked over That I didn't know but they were all one. That's the biggest one But that is not the one I was talking about so there you go. That's the one I was talking about so many times It's a little little sibling, but not that small sibling. It's like it's not that little almost C5 sized So one other thing that happened in case you missed it. Dmitry forgive me. I forgot his last name Roganov Roganov, I was you know what a little too much Marvel for me Come on Yeah, Dmitry Was not pleased with sanctions and went fired off a tweet storm. Oh, yeah seven different tweets now Please be aware that this is using Twitter's Translate to English functions. So some of this may be lost in translation and I think that's important to note. Yeah, because you know language Nuances in language can change meaning so I don't know So first tweet he's already you can just tell that he's spicy, right the next tweet you Can tell that he's spicy Do you want to ban all countries from launching their spacecraft on the most reliable Russian rockets in the world? Well, I mean Russia has the only Russian rockets in the world, right? Yeah, okay So this is where things get even spicier Do you want to destroy our cooperation on the International Space Station and then he starts going into? a Okay, avoidance of dangerous rendezvous with stuff in space. Okay. Yeah, actually we have already proven We can do that without without the Russian stuff But like yeah, that's that's a point this point to have but yeah, is it the next one somewhere in here? Yeah, who will save the ISS from an uncontrolled deorbit that fall into the United States or Europe There's also the option of dropping a 500 ton structure to India in China. So obviously little rousing if you will of A neighbor that they're hoping will pay attention to them China and then another one that I don't want to say is Necessarily ambivalent because I don't I don't know Russian Indian politics particularly well sure, but there are you know sort of I don't want to Relationships in terms of defense spending so I do want to point out one thing that I found to be at first off max As he can use a trampoline that's going back to his old comment of When we were trying to get you know commercial space going I think yeah, it was with regards to SpaceX Yeah, back when we were dealing with the illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014 And we basically put sanctions forward that we're we're gonna do that spicy But let's go back to one slide into Dmitri's Rant I think a slide seven. I think it's tweet seven to eat six and seven. It's at the end of 26. Sorry Thank you Tweet six and seven hang on. I'll just clear that out for you. Okay, cool There we go. So I found this bit interesting At the very end he kind of nonchalantly says this but this is Something that with kind of a rhetoric we've heard in the past That they're trying to drum up as well And I'm wondering if this is a form of social engineering But gentlemen when planning said sanctions check those who generate them for illness Alzheimer's That's tweet seven. Sorry Right so and Daniel Sandy Alzheimer's I translated is mindless So I again this could be lost in translation, but I found that interesting that like there seems to be a story that they're trying to weave Maybe maybe not but I was I read that I'm like, oh That's not good. Yeah Yeah, I also think that there's some Mental connection between Alzheimer's and study is stuttering which Biden getting over his stuttering issue may seem Like mindless or suspicions of all high Alzheimer's to the that aren't in the know I think they're trying to plant distrust and like trying to have their way I think is ultimately what they're trying to do they're trying to use social engineering to get under American skins and I just saw that and I was like, ah, is this is this a taste of things to come? Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to but to be fair smoke scale does say language is a fluid thing and We are using translation services. So it's not exactly fair, but yeah, yeah Also, I just want to bring up this Message from David Hall saying that isn't the claim that ISS doesn't go over Russia totally ridiculous and it's The ISS has or will go over Russia slightly, but it's not very it's not by very much It's only a few hundred kilometers if that Russia Russia Russia is that a weird inclination the International Space Station is at a weird inclination it has a Fairly weird orbit and it's done that way specifically. So both the US and Russia can reach it when needed By the way, I just want to bring something up. Oh, yeah, are you gonna are you gonna bring that up that graphic up? Okay, cool. I just want to bring something up, which is that There has been a tremendous amount of satellite imagery coming in daily from commercial companies Maxar planet black sky these companies that that have only just recently if you will in the history of spaceflight existed are providing essentially the evidence and proof of what of things that are occurring In Ukraine right now, and I was there any doubt of that though I mean no, but it's just I think it's fascinating at the fact that there are these commercial companies that are doing this Oh, yeah, cuz you know that I can't think of a commercial company having really done that in terms of war Recently, but also in thinking about it. There hasn't really been much for companies to take a look at with that But I think it just goes to show the remote sensing and other things like that from small capable platforms is Just as good as and potentially maybe a little more versatile Then what you could potentially get from the actual You know like old legacy providers of these images and other things like that. So yeah Ryan has a image. Oh, we've got all of the things. Yeah, let's do cuz it's relevant Let's do social first to that and then we'll come back to your computer. So there you go There's an example of what you were just talking about. Yeah, right there I'm taking images to show that basically like this is where a strike occurred on The air base in Ukraine. So I'm gonna talk about this comment really quick, which I came from Vax headroom backs Good to see you. I'm not true. The inclination was 100% and sentenced on the day force module was launched from Kazakhstan I wasn't saying that they could change it. I'm saying that that inclination was Picked on purpose. It was chosen on purpose so that they could have effectively dual launch capabilities I'm not saying they changed it. I'm saying that that's why they chose this funky weird. Yeah, it's it's weird It's a weird one. Yeah, it was a common date. What's the time? I need everyone to make everyone happy And then Dada you had a thing go all of the points all of the points So Tori Bruno is saying I accelerated the delivery of the last already 180s So yeah, okay, so I don't I guess our our point in and I think you know This was what was mentioned in the chat room earlier is is I don't think it's a question Do they have enough already 180s? I think it's a question of like Can they still use them under their agreement? So I guess maybe the agreements don't matter. I don't know Can they still use them and do they have the expertise necessary to do what they need to do with them? and it sounds like yes, and then there was a question of like is there a team From Russia that helps with the already 180s the answer that was also yes, but then it's kind of sounding like but it doesn't matter That was what that was my takeaway. I think that was was that everyone else's takeaway. Yeah. Yeah, essentially the American personnel working on it have been working on it for so long and so closely and intimately with the engines that they can run it Just as well as the typical Russian personnel that we would have so Yeah, are there any tweets Dada, there was a whole bunch of stuff that I pulled into the media pool And I don't you know what I suppose I can look it up myself Is there anything we missed from a Twitter standpoint? Okay, cool. So yeah, that's I know that this is a fairly long and deep show And like this is not a fun topic that people want to talk about like no, this is this is literally war There's a declaration of war again. We looked that up pre-show to make sure we were speaking with accuracy Mm-hmm war sucks it just does it just does so this sucks and It's a whole bunch of like mushy. This is still unfolding. We don't actually know what's happening But I think the point of this is there's a whole lot going on that we don't necessarily know how it all relates to everything else like in the show Oh Yeah, that's right. Dada in the show we You know we uncovered stuff I hadn't even thought of that it was fairly low-hanging fruit, right? Like oh, yeah, the arty 180 You know, oh, yeah, the the Antares, which is the arty 188 181 181 I knew it was I knew it was not 180 Like the all of these things that Interact with other things and how is that going to work? You know can we launch space launch system does that have Russian parts on it? Like what what does all of this look like and I think at this point the answer is we don't know it's going to be messy for a while and it's gonna be weird in space and You know, there is a scenario that I don't think anyone wants where they Get rid of space station. I think that's a very unlikely scenario. I think that's exceptionally unlikely It sounds like that and it would be a big shame as well. It really it really would like yeah Like we're just getting it. I well, I say this but that's not entirely true, but we've got a really good stride We've got a really good System going on a station now. Yeah, it would suck to especially to lose it in these circumstances would just be a Real blow to the gut Yeah Absolutely. Yeah, and I just want to point out to that In the middle of March is when the next Soyuz is launching. So he has MS 21 And then after that in September is Soyuz MS 22 so MS 21 is gonna have an all-russian crew But MS 22 is supposed to have a American astronaut on board for that so Francisco Rubio, which this will be his first flight. So I guess we're gonna have to wait and see What happens? We've got we we have Vandahy returning at the end of March Who is an American? So are they gonna fly back on Soyuz to Kazakhstan? Or are they just gonna hold out in the International Space Station until some sort of arrangement can be brought up with? Dragon to try and get him home on a dragon or if it takes this long maybe even on a Starliner We don't know how long these things are going to take and what the result of these things are gonna be But that's seeing what happens with Mark Vandahy is gonna be our first It's gonna be our first opportunity to see Directly how humans are going to be affected by what's happening in Ukraine Jay Michael says getting rid of the station right now is a big PR spin trying to influence decision-makers right now So I wondering if you can go into a little bit more detail on your opinion on that like is that Is that us trying to do is that NASA trying to do a PR spin? Like where's that PR spin coming from that you where do you think that PR spin is coming from? Yeah, cuz I would imagine It feels like Rogozin's lever. He's trying to pull Yeah, but why would he want to get rid of station? No, he's saying he would not want to get a station He's saying that the US doesn't want to get rid of it and using that as leverage Yeah against station state of sanctions. Yeah, I guess just never underestimate the US We're gonna sanction anyway. Well, I mean, yeah sanctions, but then also like if we're like, no, this doesn't make sense This is this is not a thing we're going to do then we won't do it. Yeah That's I mean kind of how it works Yeah, and I guess you know that in in looking at a lot of the tactics with this war so far there is a lot of PR spin in terms of What Putin is specifically wanting out of things wanting this good look if you will So I don't know if the International Space Station and losing it would be some sort of prestige lost in in his eyes Cuz his eyes may not even be focused on on that at the moment Or even for the foreseeable future with something like that. So it's again It's all big. It's a bunch of big question marks And I feel like we have I feel like most of these big question marks We have them simply because it's so early into the conflict that we just don't know at this point So Ryan you touched on something that I think is interesting, you know, Starline is still not flying But it will be soon Well, hopefully it will be soon. Obviously they had their problems on it They had their problems on OFT one with valves and stuff and it was it was meant to fly last year but that didn't happen because of more valve problems and just a whole bunch of stuff that's been happening with Starliner, but If that gets operational this year when it gets operational this year When it gets operational if it gets operational this year, it just depends how long this conflict is gonna Go out for and it's not just if if if Russia pulled back their troops right now This isn't gonna end today, right? This is gonna go on for a long time. So it's not just it's not just that This isn't just gonna be happening whilst Russia is in Ukraine. This is gonna be happening After whatever happens next this is gonna be going on for a very very long time. So there is gonna be Opportunities for Starliner to come online Which can help support station? Going back to my point with Mark van der Huy. It just depends if NASA and the US government are comfortable or I don't know. Maybe even if he is comfortable I don't know if he'll have that decision to fly on a Soyuz Back to Kazakhstan It will Will NASA will the S government will he take that option or will they go for a future vehicle, right? I also do want to point out that Starliner would absolutely have the capability to do Reboost For the International Space Station would it have enough if we add Starliner Dragon and Cygnus. Is that enough? I think if you work the configurations correctly you you could Potentially have enough if you were to separate the US orbital segment and the Russian orbital segments So I think you could But hold up, but that's sorry Jared. Can you just go back into what you're proposing here one more time? So, but I mean that's what I'm saying is that if you would want to do this you would have to literally separate the two or the two orbital Components that are on board. I'm not saying that you should sure but I mean if Vax's comment at this point Oh, she's right. Oh, no Vax. No, I don't even know if that's worth joking about right now Yikes Yeah, but it's What a mess. It's a mess. Okay, so this has been a deep and moderately thoughtful episode, right like Hopefully there's been some thought in some interesting conversation like some stuff. I hadn't thought of I Would like to end it not on this So yeah as a fun surprise. Yes, unless there's anything anything else you want to talk about it's just no It's been a very it's been a very Depressing last couple of days, so I think we need something that will get hating each other even more so space buoys, so Let's do this. How about Jared you have a story was there something that happened this last week that got you excited about space? That wasn't related to anything. Um, well, you know, we're continuing with James Webb and the alignment of those mirrors I mean that might be my story for the next six months Jared might be for it there might be I'm also You know, I had a co-worker who was talking about dragonfly the mission to Titan that we're working on right now basically that big As an octocopter, I think it's got it's a huge like car-sized drone nuclear powered drone that we're gonna be sending the Titan With instrumentation in its landing skids. How cool is that? How neat is that? It's pretty neat. That is pretty neat So I'm really it's I'm just kind of excited about some of the Upcoming future missions that are going to be going on and just maybe doing it a dive into them one day when I can Actually take the time with it. But yeah, look at that. An initial initial alignment mosaic. So it This is what it like. It looks like when a fly looks through glasses It look I could have just taken a picture of a shiny plate with little reflections at night. Go home Drunk That's what happens when you drink the hypergalls No, that's really great because One of the things that they did say about James Webb was that the The I guess what would you call it displacement or whatever the movement of the mirrors? That whatever whatever the movement of the mirrors that they expected to occur during launch was actually Substantially less. Oh, that's good. So that's good. So they got Ari on fire. Yeah, thanks Did good with the vibrational environment that they're so good job. Yeah, it's good rocket. It's good. Thanks. Yeah Yeah Alex who gave James Webb a kaleidoscope? Oh Boy we sure could yeah, is there that creepy little girl. It's the mirrors. Oh, it's the mirror Hey data in chat. Oh Oh completed image stacking. Can you there we go? Yeah, can you bring that up? Do you see that in I? Think that's on discord maybe yeah, cool. We'll work that nice any other final comments on James Webb before I toss over to Ryan No, I'm good soon. All right. Dada. Do you need me to stall more before we toss over to Ryan? There we go. No, he doesn't whoo bingo. So that's the what was the label on that one that was the completed image stacking is it's really pretty like Yeah, yeah Wow, it's it's kind of hard to see but there are like these really neat looking radio Radial rings kind of on the inside of that as well I don't know if that's a weird artifact or if that's just like how the universe is made It's usually an effect real radio rings perfect radio rings. Yeah, Ryan. What were you excited about? this last week um I'm gonna I'm gonna say the story that I covered in Space news Issa actually looking at a proper human spaceflight program, obviously We don't know how that'll turn out, but to see I'm from Europe to see that is very exciting You Know but to see that from But to see My country pays money into ESA and we're finally getting a proper human spaceflight program That is just something well. Hopefully we'll be getting a proper human spaceflight program It has to go through a whole lot of regulatory approval But that is just something exciting That was exciting. That's a declaration. It affects me. That's a declaration of intent Canada also pays for ESA and it's not in Europe Although someone brought up earlier in the chat and I apologize. I think it's outside of my chat buffer, but United Kingdom pays like out of ESA's like six billion dollar budget like one point nine billion of it That's a good chunk assuming that's true. Like I didn't validate any of those numbers How about I look up those numbers right Jared? Thank you. So I mean, that's true. Like that's that's a good amount Like good. I'm good Good, I'm good old honk of cash Yes, it is a large big amount of cash Several loads of money crisp pound notes All right, it's gonna take a minute to all right Dada. I'm gonna throw it to you There we go. I'm gonna say one thing that Jared did in the intro that I had never really done and I think well I think I did in the past and then I forgot to do since we started the shows back up You tossed a Dada in the very beginning. Yeah, it did. It was really nice. Yeah. Oh, that is there He is there. We accepted his existence. We accepted his exit He doesn't like it when we're here. He doesn't like to be on camera. He doesn't I really don't he likes to be the puppet Master behind the scenes and I enjoy really in it. So he's not the puppet master So the thing that I was excited about this week was putting Dada on camera And make making the puppet master show his face. He is the great and powerful Wizard of Oz Pay no attention to the man behind the council console exactly Exactly. So now because Jared you brought him up in the beginning of the show I'm going to bring him up at the end of the show Dada, what were you excited about this week in space? I can't talk about it Okay, what were you excited about in space that you can talk about? I don't know. I haven't paid any attention I've been heads down. Yeah, I know that feel I've got I got deadlines Fair enough. I've got aerospace deadlines man aerospace deadlines You know, one of the things that I enjoyed is can you bring up any one of the? Oh, here we go budget Thank You Alex physics my budget. I'm trying to zoom in on this. Yeah, so what I can see is When that goes to the UK is Yeah, UK is nine point one percent. So they're not the largest This says the UK is nine point one percent of the twenty twenty-two budget Twenty-four point five percent at the largest and then Italy is at fourteen point one percent So I think the UK is the third largest contributor to ESA But still that's a lot of money that's I think that's four hundred and thirty seven point nine million euros So it's not only like a US or Russia scale, but it's still that's a lot of money. Oh, yeah, absolutely Wow, yeah Okay, so it's a bit the thing that I was excited about wasn't necessarily directly aerospace much like Dada I was kind of like two launches this week. Come on. Yeah, I get a little bit of credit for like two launch I had one earlier this morning sure But I still managed to find a way to sneak in some of the graphics updates on the shows We've been slowly working on some nice subtle changes to kind of add a little bit of polish both to the live shows and to space news so for those of you who are members and I'll cover membership in a moment. I think I've got a Potential space news intro that I want to show you we'll see no one has seen it But me and I only saw it like moments ago So I'm not sure yet, but I did get some of the new kind of generalized formatting for like our Twitter So so bring up any one of the Twitter. Maybe not Demetri's Twitter He's just so angry Something a little bit better somebody with good energy, please. You know, yeah, there you go I'll have all of them. That's actually my least favorite or formatted one but Like this kind of new format with the the fun border kind of going around it in the tomorrow logo There you go. Thank you Like it's nice and clean It's actually a template that we can work with pretty quickly and easily There's actually not black behind there. That's a dark slate I don't know how well the encoders dealing with that But I haven't tested any of it and I'm still playing with it and oh, yeah, actually if you keep going There's one that has like there's one that's like on black Then there's also one that has like the space background. Is it there you go? Yep So there's a whole bunch of stuff that I actually found time to do this week Nice, which finding time to do these things is really hard to do Yeah, I've got a company X as a day job. So I was really excited that that actually kind of came together I'm excited that we've got some space news stuff going on Ryan Jared Dutta and I stayed obscenely late. I think was it last week Ryan? Yep. Yep Yeah, I got awake. There's five o'clock in the morning. I'm sorry We stayed really late just hashing through space news and like and again We're kind of the live show and just like back and forth as to how we can improve things and make them better And I really I think I got a lot out of that conversation And I'm kind of excited for some of the things that we have planned And I think we'll talk a little bit more about that in the membership chat None of it's guaranteed certainly like we'll play with the format see what works very developmental phase. Yes, very much very much so None of it may come to fruition. 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