 All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast in class TV Africa. This time around, we'll be looking at politics. I had 2023 presidential debates, a whole lot happening in the nation's political space. On Monday, stakeholders of the People's Democratic Party, representing the 19th Northern state and the FCT in Abuja, rejected a consensus arrangement by Professor Angra of the Lionel Committee, which convened by former head of state Ibrahim Babangida. They, this counter to the arrangement as sexual and an attempt to unfairly narrow the search for the country's next president to some regions of the North. According to them, every aspirant had the liberty to run for office, no matter their region of origin. Now, head of its National Executive Committee, a meeting the People's Democratic Party, had said it was not under pressure to zone or throw its presidential ticket open. The party also stated that the overall interest of Nigeria would guide the position it would take on the sensitive issue in the days ahead. A national publicist, the secretary of the party, Debo Olugo Alba, said, having received the report of the 37 man committee on zoning, the National Working Committee would transmit same to neck for further study and adoption of opposition. Now, joining us to discuss all of these issues and how the martyrs are rising with the People's Democratic Party, and of course, his presidential bid is an aspirant of the party and publisher of Ovation International. Ladies and gentlemen, let's make welcome at daily Mommodo. Thanks for joining us on the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Good morning and thank you for inviting me. It is indeed our pleasure. Let's just dive straight into it 2023. A whole lot is happening specifically with the People's Democratic Party, which is your party. There have been talks about them zoning consensus party. What is the true picture as we speak? Well, it's quite fluid at the moment. Zuni is contained in the constitution of the party, but I'm not aware of consensus. I know some people have been going around Salaki, Tambua, Bala, Mohamed, Ayatuddin. But I think that fell through already because I knew and had predicted it that once one or two people emerge, the others are going to kick. It happened in the past when some young aspirants in 2019 met and decided to pick one person. The moment they picked one person, everything scattered. So for me, the issues facing Nigeria should go beyond fighting over zoning or not zoning, consensus or no consensus, because there are too many grave issues for us to deal with. But now with abandoned governance completely, everybody is busy fighting over who will grab power in 2023. As for me and my house, whatever the party decides, I will be and accept. Well, your party, like you have rightly mentioned, has been part of zoning. I mean zoning has been the core and is also part of the constitution of your party. And there have been zoning. So why is it different now? Because it's really stated. I mean that PTOB's camp has really not taken it very easy as your party has dumped the option of zoning. And so screening would actually begin on Friday. So why is the party jumping it and not considering all of a sudden, you know, Nigeria is at the verge of saying, oh, we need leaders who are competent. We need people to salvage the country. This has been the practice over time. So what's different now? Nigeria is a country of big people. What do you mean by big people? I mean big. They are big, they are billionaires. If you look at most of those who want to contest, some of them are still in government and they have access to billions. So the pressure on the party must be enormous. In fact, I don't envy our national chairman right now. I predicted it again. If you zoom to the south, you have more than enough powerful people in the north who will kick. If you zoom to the north, majority of our governors are from the south. So head of tail, the dilemma the party is facing now is, hey, do we want to break up this party? Because there are people who are desperate for power. And if you insist on zoning, some people will still go ahead and say they want to contest. And again, I think that was an error. And I mentioned this when I paid for the nomination form. If the party wanted to zone, then they should have settled zoning before throwing the forms open to everybody. The moment you ask people to buy the forms, they pay their $14 million. And suddenly you say, we've zoomed it against where you come from. That would be fine. So that's, I think, was the error. Next time, before they start selling the forms, let them make up their minds about zoning. Alright, so let's keep talking about this zoning because it has actually got a whole lot of people talking and lots of reactions and counter reactions. My colleague also talked about the Peter Obie come because over time, there's been this talk about the Southeast presidency. And that particular region is saying that it will be unfair to them if this time around, the presidency slot is not given to him or to them, rather. What is your opinion concerning Southeast presidency? And do you think they or they will be sort of shortchanged if they were not given? Isn't it obvious that they are already shortchanged? Because the PDP has actually done that. But just to also add to the question that my colleague has mentioned, Justin, do you think that it's fair? You are presidential aspirant under this party. So do you think that it's fair? I am one of the biggest conversers for Igbo presidency. But you and I know that power is not given on the platter. What does that mean? You fight for power. You have to fight for power. So the South is not for it? Do you know how many experience have come out of the Southeast? Do you understand? If, for example, you want power by all means, by now I expect that the governors, the honours, everybody in the Southeast by now should have their consensus ready. You see, politics is a game of mathematics. If you go on Google, check Dilem Omodo in search of mathematicians, I was the first to predict how Buwari was going to win election in 2015. Because pure maths. So and in politics, the political parties don't deal with emotion. It was easier in 1999 because the military was leaving. So the young guys were able to blackmail the military that because of what happened to a Biola, power must come to the Southwest. Since then, everybody's been contested. Even when Yaladwa contested, Buwari from the same state still contested. So zoning today is more difficult to handle. In the Southeast, PDP has only two governors, Abia and Enugo. So the other three governors are shared between the APC and Abda. So the party will naturally, it may not be fair, it may not be just. Is it fair? That's what I'm saying. So you say it may not be fair? That's what I'm telling you, that it is a game of number. What am I in the race? I'm a friend of the East. In fact, I'm the only one mentioned publicly last year, February. The video is available by Masjid Namdikhanu, that if every Nigerian has the mindset of a daily model, there would be no point fighting for Biafra. The reason why the East is insisting is because the field shop changed, marginalized, suppressed, oppressed. You see Operation Python dance in the East, but you don't see it in the forests of Meduguni or in the forests of Katsina or, you know. So people are fighting, not because they don't know that we need good leadership. For me, about zoning, the first thing is, are we going to get the best? Even in the South East today, if you have the answers, choose just one person. You'll be shocked. So in fact, it may be impossible. So in fact, for all that you have said, that the issue that we have, that haven't plagued us in our polity, is more from governance. And because if we had good governance, I'm trying to, in extrapolate from all that you said, this issue of marginalization and of course... It will never come up. Okay. It will never come up. But let's even say with your party, and quite interesting that you're also aspiring to become president under this political party. So we say that there's always an adage that would say that, I mean, how you sleep is how you die. So the way your party is behaving, if your party has been very strong on zoning, and now it comes to a point where it feels like, I mean, it doesn't feel like, but your party should already know that it gets to a particular region. But then the issue of competence and who gets it becomes very known. So do you think you're part... We keep making a mistake. Which is? That mistake is that when it comes to the south, we always stand alone. Stand alone. Zeke will not work with Awolowo. And Zeke will not work with Awolowo. Shagari will not have been president. The same thing is happening now. Look at the north. In the north today, you have Dr. Abu Bakar Bukola-Saraqi, who is from Kuwara. As far as I know, he's a Yoruba man. But in the north, oh yes, his name is Uluwa Bukola. The son of Uluwa Shola. He's a Yoruba man, but caught into north central. The north accepts him as a northerner. In the south, the Yoruba will say, I must be the one. The Yoruba will say, I must be the one. The Yoruba will say, I must be the one. That is the problem. When you talk about zoning, the first thing is, does it go north? Does it go south? So let it come to the south. Then let the southerners negotiate among themselves. So the south has not been able to speak with one voice. That is the problem. Right now, I'm the best place of all the aspirants because I am from south-south. My father is Edo. My mother is Oshu. I was born in Ileife. So I'm a child of diversity. So I'm equally strong in two zones, constantly. So if you're talking about zoning today, and the party will look at, OK, who can serve us, who can deliver the votes, because ethnicity, whether you like it or not, even in America, you have racial attention. Where the blacks, the Hispanics, and the whites, they have to slog it up. The same thing is happening here today. Ethnicity is number one. On the table of elections, where you come from is number one. Before people even talk about your competence. So let's get to you now. I mean, it's very interesting that you are also part of the race. I'll mention that again. Now, you have a member of the House of Representatives in Ugun State. His name is Kola Wale. And he's talked about the fact that zoning will not lead Nigeria to where we are, looking at a lot of the challenges that we face with as a people. Do you think that you have the capacity to salvage this country? Definitely. How? There are not too many global brands in any country. I'm one of such. I mean, you know it for a fact that politics is about managing people and resources. If you talk about the economy, most of our politicians who have never managed one million, suddenly, you had trust them to manage a 10 trillionaire economy. They are going to collapse. I managed a business from 20,000 pounds and turned into a multimillion dollar empire for 26 years. That's tenacity. That means I am very frugal in the days of tribulations who were able to withstand all the heat and the business has survived to today. That's what the country, what Nigeria needs now is a CEO, not a politician. A CEO who has accomplished something in his private capacity. So when you talk about capacity, I mean, if I ask you now to mention 18 out of 36 governors in Nigeria, I'm sure you may not even remember their names. If you remember their names, you may not remember their states. If you remember their states, you will not know what they did before they became governor. That's the truth. There is no body in Nigeria today who will not know about a brand, daily, whether at home or abroad. I'm sure you know that. OK, so let's also delve into it now. As much as you wanted to, I mean, there would be some agreement to say that, hey, you have actually been outstanding and your icon to recombinant. I love the compliment, thank you. But we look at the current reality. Nigeria is a troubled spot. Security's top on the notch. Security concerns. I mean, as we were talking right now, the DSS is saying that there are plans to bomb some parts of the country. I mean, almost all parts of the country, relaxation. Specific, they are specific, so you have relaxation centers and whatever you really just center. And these are concerns. You are saying that Nigeria does not need a politician but a CEO, and so how would a CEO manage the security consent that we have right now? A CEO is able to manage anything and everything. So if you become a flag bearer, if you actually given the ticket and then Nigeria also have to decide who to vote for, what would you do? How would you address the security concerns of Nigeria? I started doing it. What you will become, what you will do as a rich man, you start practicing as a poor man. OK, I started doing it. So have you been doing that? Now, I'll tell you, I'm the only one reaching out now to every part and to the principal actors in the troubled sports. I've been to Kaduna, to see Sheikh Gumi, who had talked to me. So you have seen Sheikh Gumi? Yes. I went to Kaduna. And you don't think that he should be reported? Then he should be arrested? Yes, please do. We are finding peace. Peace is not in one-way traffic. It's a two-way traffic. If you want peace, you must seek peace. And you don't seek peace with yourself. You seek peace with your enemy or perceived enemy. Sheikh Gumi is not my enemy. Why is he not your enemy? Because nobody, I've never heard that the government of Nigeria has arrested him for committing any offense. So and I don't work. But what have his alliance with, you know, I mean, he sounds like he speaks for all the. In every country, there are people who have access. In his own case, I don't know if it's religious. I don't know what kind of access. I was able to gain the access. But there are people who negotiate on behalf of countries. And I believe you need to find the root cause of this problem. But that's what you're talking about. He told me clearly, sir. He told me clearly that politicians will never think Nigeria. And he gave all the reasons for it. The corruption involved even in the issue of fighting insecurity in Nigeria, he mentioned everything. He says in his house, his house is an open place. He stays there. I went to see him. I've been to Meduguri, which is one of the dangerous spots. I spoke to the people. I went to the market. They told me I shouldn't try. I went there. I'm a Nigerian. In those who want Yoruba Nation, Sunday Bo, Chief, Sunday Adi Hema, known as Sunday Bo, I went to Kutunu when he was arrested. I went to go and look for him. Saw him, discussed with him. That's what leaders should do. If our leaders are done what I'm doing now, maybe we won't get this. When they were doing Operation Python Dance and attacking Nambika Nozhaus, did any of our southern governors try to see what exactly these IPOB people want? No, it's all about, oh, their terror is dead. So while you were busy shooting your own people down here, some people were busy pumping others out there. So a leader must treat Nigerians equally. All right, the day you do that, you will see that a lot of our problems, whoever. Let's talk more. These are CEO versus the whole politician thing. Fine, you have accomplished so much as a CEO. You are known internationally with your magazine, and all that, the humanitarian efforts that you have done over the years. But you will agree with me that, aside from being a CEO, we still have to factor all the politics and all the games of numbers that you have talked about. Now, you might have succeeded so well in business and in the economy and all of that, but you have to run under a platform. And you are running on the platform of the People's Democratic Party. How do you see the chances of your party judging by the fact that they had done 16 years and that they were toppled as it were by and all progressives, Congress, which claimed that the PDP did not do so much for the country? So on what wings, on what basis, on what change, on what drive is the PDP going to present to ensure that Nigerians maybe love them again and maybe even love you? The truth is PDP will come back. When? When 2023? In 2023. If one issues that has learned from his past mistakes. Have they learned? Oh, that's what we're hoping to see from this weekend. A party that was removed from power after 16 years cannot come back and repeat the same mistake they made in 16 years. You see, because the moment you start throwing up the same people that Nigerians did not want to see, there is a risk. If they were so good, we won't be where we are. So the issue is that if that is why you see that in PDP today, there are only a few people that you can consider to be fresh and refreshing. There are only a few of us that you can say have accomplished good by all over the world. People are moving in the direction of technocrats. Politics is not a game. Leadership is a game. Leadership means managing people and resources. A man who has not managed people and resources cannot manage the country. I know that if my company is broke, we must downsize or downgrade, you cannot continue to live. Nigeria is the only place where politicians live as it is every day is Christmas. You need a business inclined person to understand that our politicians must downgrade their lifestyle. So we totally understand all of that. And I would definitely get to the part where we ask you of, I mean, like I have rightly mentioned, I ask you, the major issue that we're faced with is security. You have mentioned that you have- The lack of unity looks at the two major issues that are linked. So we'll definitely get back to that. But before we get back to that, the party, because you're part of the party, I mean, we can't separate you from the party. Now, your party is now saying that we can't stop any presidential aspirant is unconstitutional. Really, how? When your party- It is not in the constitution of the country, but it's in the constitution of the party. So yes, we understand, but how can your party be that way when you have over time been in support of this principle and it has worked for you, all of a sudden, you understand that it's not also part of the constitution. Do you trust this party to also support you? Support your, I mean, you trust the delegate because you're not going to provide consensus. So do you trust them to support you to become president? My job is to go there and persuade my party. It is not the job of the party to assume that they can deliver. I just told you a few things now. If you talk about mathematics, it's going to be difficult for PDP not to consider someone from the Southwest. We also have South-South and who is friends with the Southeast. That's the easiest way to win the mathematics. There is no other way. If you look at it, it looks like APC is moving southwards. So are you telling me that PDP would then allow, let's say, the picket in Numbuo or Noshiba or Rotimiya. Are you saying you can ignore the second largest catchment area for votes, which is the Southwest? It's going to be impossible. If you make the mistake of picking one local champion from the North and you come and pick just anybody from the South and you assume they will be able to defeat APC, it's going to be difficult. So that's where I come in. I'm the only aspirant today who combines two zones automatically out of three. Two zones out of three and very close to the Southeast. What the South needs to get power is easy. You need someone who can unite the three geopolitical zones in the South. But your party, I mean, just before Justin comes in now, your party has ruled out the issue of consensus and so you're left with direct or indirect primaries. Do you think that the delegates would actually go for you? I can assume they won't go. The assumption of most Nigerians is that the party ticket will be sold to the ISB and of course I'm not the ISB either. But I contested before. I contested in 2011. The party has to be realistic. I am telling you today in PDP, there is no aspirant that controls two regions by percentage and a third region by association. There is one in the party today. If you know of one, mention the person. There is one. That makes it that your party supports... So this is what I am offering my party. God donated me to PDP. God donated me to the nation because you don't get it every day. Don't tell me if you know of anybody whose father is Southsland, his mother is Yoruba and he is very strong in Yoruba. And you are competent as well. I'm extremely competent, not just competent. Let's talk about... A global brand, a CEO that you can take to anywhere who has run shoulders with one leader, with president. There is none today in PDP. None, that's the truth. So how do you resolve the whole issue of money politics and the issue of corruption, which at this present administration actually wrote on when they came into power that they were going to stamp out corruption, insecurity and all of that. When we hear of forms being sold as much as some 14 million, 100 million, which in itself would actually limit a lot of people who ordinarily want to contest it because some are saying that would this so much money involved in politics at the end of the day, the issue of corruption are also set in. How do you reason all of that? It is on record that the only model is the only one. The only aspirant who publicly spoke up, a guest having to pay 40 million for a party. APC is moving far worse, 100 million. I mean, it's atrocious, but you must fulfill your righteousness. I'm grateful to my friends, to the young people donated 500, 1000, I have all the records who published. I was lucky. It wasn't easy to pay 40 million. Especially in today's economy. You are lucky because you have a degree. They're not all you can do. That's what I'm saying. But I spoke up against it and I hope that my party will think seriously about it in the future. But let's move beyond that. I was saying, you were talking about corruption and everything. Most politicians have been trained to see government as the only place they can make money. Even now, as I run around, reaching out to people, I'm still working out of vision. I'm not going to kill my job. So what we need to encourage in Nigeria, that's why you need technocrats, is to make sure that anybody who cannot show what he has managed successfully should not even aspire to be the president of Nigeria. You must come and show us. If you had cows like Bari had, so come and tell us where you retired, how many cows you have been able to breed, how much you've made from it, and how you've survived, you've been able to pay your children's school fees at home and abroad. The moment you do that, you see that a lot of our politicians will run away. People, once you become governor, you have access to government money. It's not embarrassing that almost 90% of those running now are still in government. And we all know, I know what it costs to run a presidential campaign. So where is the money coming from? So let's come back to this now. I mean, this is our current reality. And as much as we are looking at 2023, the conversation is we're asking questions. We're looking at how you intend to solve the problem. So let's even move away from the political party and say you have the ticket to run and then you're asking Nigerians to vote for you. And if you become president or paraventure, what would you do? Let's look at security. You've mentioned that. We also look at the economy. We know the death that we are actually involved in right now. We're looking at Nigerians' death profile. We're also looking at the number of unemployed peasants in the country. We're also looking at the fact that infrastructure is nothing to write them about. And you find the issue, which is on top also of the charts, the issue of Nigerians not being united and that has necessitated the issue of iPop asking and we want to become a republic. We want self-governance and all of that. You also have the Doudouar Republic. You have different peasants agitating to say, and maybe paraventure, individuals also come up to say, I want to become a republic. How would you address these issues? Economy, security, and of course, the unity of Nigeria. Let's say we've got... We're very dependent on, oh, don't forget that. Let's say, yeah, foolishly so. Let's say we've touched on the case of security. To carry it, okay. Economy, I've told you, a man who has never managed any business successfully, how would he manage government funds? As a CEO of my company, I know the budget. I know how much it would cost to pay salaries. I know how much it would cost to gather stories. I know how much it would cost to pay my printers. I know how much it would cost to pay cargo, freight services. I know how much it would cost for security. We are spending more than we are making. Now we are borrowing money to fund lifestyle. There is no CEO who will do that. I will say it, that Nigerian presidents want to live like American presidents. You cannot practice capitalism where there is no capital. Nigeria does not have the money. But have you seen any politicians that great? No. I know what I've had to do to manage my campaign. And I'm approaching it as a businessman. You must never spend more than you earn. So how do you intend to achieve that? Oh, it begins with the leader. Once you have a leader who understands that politicians cannot live on ladders and turn government into a bazaar, you will see that people will wake up. It starts with you. Once you make yourself a... And I'm going to sign an agreement with the people of Nigeria on deliverables for the... So what are your deliverables for the... Specifically, specifically... I mean, I mean, just before we come in... I cannot see alleviation because most Nigerians are still wallowing. We have reports from IMF every day. We hold bank and them. It's as if nothing's changing. It's not about banding terminologies. It's about practical existence. Let me give you an example. You mentioned poverty alleviation. During the period of COVID, if you go on Twitter or social media, go and Google it, I tried to do what government could not do properly. Government promised to give 5,000 Naira to poor Nigerians. They could not do it successfully. They understand. It's one of the reasons why people were saying what happened to all this money? Billions they just put on the table. I was able to develop an app. Technology can help us solve a lot of problems. That app, I have all the states in Nigeria. People apply online. They register. Today I have 66,000 applications out of which we've paid about 10% of them. The same thing government could not do. We have it on an app developed by Ghanaian from that big way. Ghanaian saw it on Twitter and called me, they said we can do an app and they did it. So what it means is that even for poverty alleviation, if you eliminate corruption, more money will get you. There is no state in Nigeria today. There is no part of Nigeria today that have not disputed and impaled it. Government has not been able to do that. Jaleh Momodo, let's get to this particular point. It's very practical. We look at our economy in Nigeria from 1966, shortly after you have the civil war and we're trying to recover. We have always talked about developmental plans and so how we want to get out of it. But the reason why our developmental plans and the plans have failed vision 2020, what have you, has failed us because we constantly have to depend on externals to sustain the budget and so we borrow. Now, majorly because we're very dependent on oil for our earnings and you know what happens. For instance, the Russian-Ukraine invasion, Nigeria is actually shearing and that's because we're supposed to be making money. So we have been very monocultural. The issue of diversification has been a great conversation but it feels like it's a leapservice. Our government has not been very sincere. So the question is, if you become president tomorrow, what would you do? How do you take our economy from a monocultural economy to that economy where we're not shearing even when you have the US and Germany quaking and then we begin to sheaver? Governance is not rocket science. You are talking to a man who has operated globally in over 60 countries on five continents. I know how to diversify. I have the contact, I have the connection. The first thing Nigeria needs to provide is trust. Nobody invests in a country where they know your investment will be wasted, where they know politicians are going to take away all your money, where you have to bribe everybody from the draw man to the highest man in the country. You need a business inclined person. I will give you examples. 20 years ago, I was invited to Dubai to market Dubai to Africa. Dubai was at that time just like a trade post. We changed sea parties and died. We did the cover to see Dubai and die. Does Dubai have the kind of oil that we have? There are countries that don't have oil at all. We have oil, we have gas, we have bitumen, we have mineral resources in abundance. You have to eliminate corruption urgently. If you don't do that, no investment will come. You have to eliminate profligacy. It's not about economic theories now. And I've told you already that you cannot be practicing capitalism. Why you don't have capital? Our politicians must be compared to downgrade and the people of Nigeria too must ask questions from their leaders. Invertebrate Nigerians have not really been asking the right question. No, people have just come now. It's very easy for some politicians to become president. Anybody can be president. If you have enough money, I jack the party structures, I jack the party ticket and then you are 100% close to the presidency. That is their theory. But I was going to tell you that I contested before in 2011. I didn't have money. I was the poorest of the three. Yet I was able to defeat them based on my record, accomplishment, reputation, integrity, the party, national conscience party. I respect them till tomorrow. The night before the trammaries, I was told my co-contestants were gone and I don't know what they were doing. But I sent two copies of a vision to each of the rooms. That was my own drive to death. I wanted them to see what I do for a living and let them now compare me to the others. So has that changed? You have money now because you said you had money. No, it's the same thing I'm doing. Even if I have billions today, I'm not going to pay a dime to anybody. How can I say I want to change the country and I'll be in quality corruption? We know those who are in quality corruption and some Nigerians are leading them on. They are over-promoting them. Oh, really, you have no chance against A. You have no chance against B. Why? Because you don't have money. Where did the money come from? So that is why I told you that even the followership must change. The leadership must change, but the followership must change. Now I have friends who they don't bother. The night before we were able to raise the 40 million, I almost couldn't sleep, I was in a Buddha and some friends would call, oh, why are you wasting your time now? Even if you have 40 million, I say, so what will I do with 40 million? Go and marry my wife or go and carry gay friends. Or what? I would rather spend it on legacy. At my age, what I'm living for and what I'm working for is legacy. So we must change our mindset. It is doable. Look, if 1 million Nigerians give me 1,000 Naira today, that's 1 billion. It's money, it's not even money. That's what they do elsewhere. Money is important, even in America, but they raise it by making the people particular investors and stakeholders. All right, just before we go, I just want to get some reaction from you directly. You know, there was this talk that trended a bit about how you want to be the president and you residing in Ghana and also having business headquarters in Ghana. So I just want you to react specifically, so we just want people. Not being patriotic. Let me tell you that some of Spain is one of my favorite authors. You wrote a book called The Age of Vision. If he was alive, he would write today The Age of Ignorance. It is ignorance of anybody. Just because somebody has a business in Ghana means that he has moved his business to Ghana. No, maybe you're not patriotic. I expanded to Ghana, just like Ocacola left Atlanta and went global. I just told you not to operate in over 60 countries. So I said, I now have my headquarters in there. No. I passed through Ghana on my way to exile in 1995 and I liked what I saw. I saw the work that Rollins was doing and I expanded there. Before UBI came to Ghana. I was in Ghana. Let's not be mentioning so much brands. No, I'm okay. I'm just telling you that now we have a lot of Nigerian companies in Ghana. Does that mean they've killed their business? Nigeria has 80% of my business. 80%, not even. All right. Yes. Let's just repeat that because you have actually, indeed, touched on so many angles. I wish we had all the time to get so much from you. But indeed, we must say a very big thank you to you for joining us in this particular discussion. It's always a pleasure to come to your beautiful studio. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. All right. We'll leave it at that. We'll take a quick break in a moment when we come back. We'll be talking about security concerns and the DSS is raising the alarm over a suspected criminal gangster who are threatening and soft and some hard targets. We're looking at the way forward in a moment when we return to join us again.