 It'd be hard-pressed to really go and find something that Christians people that called themselves Christians Get upset about as much as the Trinity. I mean when I say upset I'm talking about really really triggered. I Don't know what it is about the Trinity that make people get so triggered Okay, well, I do I do I think maybe what it is is that people think that we are If you believe in the Trinity that we are distorting The identity of God. I also think that people have a misunderstanding of who God is and how God wants to be known But I'll say that for another day. Let me look and see what does our poll say so far in the poll there are 80% of the people believe that there is a trend that the Trinity is true Which means for you people who don't believe in the Trinity You are in the minority But let's try to do our best to kind of keep it as civil as possible, especially the chats but It's gonna be hard because again people get Triggered I'm I don't know what's more Do they get more triggered on one saved always saved or they get more triggered on? Trinity or do they get more saved on tongues and spiritual gifts? I'm not I'm not sure I'm not sure, but I Especially want to hear from the people who do not believe in the Trinity. So as we're going I'm gonna ask this question again later. And so moderators make sure that you remind me to ask this question again, but Who in Who in the chats it'd be hard for anyone in the in the comments Later, but in the chats, is there anybody in the chats right now that does not believe in the Trinity? I got something in my eye Something in my eyes. I'm sorry, but is there anyone out there? Just just just say I don't do you believe? Let's put it this way. Do you believe that the Trinity is biblical? Let me see in the chats. Yes or no Do you believe the Trinity is? Biblical Now I will take some questions about the Trinity as as we go someone says I have a turn a question about the Trinity Which gives doubt okay men's corner go ahead and submit your question. Maybe possibly that we're covering the issue As we go so but go ahead and submit your question By the way, if you do have a question put a cue or question Something get my dick that will get my attention. So I see a Bunch of yeses Okay, I see there's one no I'm gonna mark the nose because I want to ask you guys some questions Those of you who say no and I'm not gonna try to try to brow beat your beat you down if I like it But I just want to kind of get get to some sort of understanding Says not explicitly So so let me know if you believe if you think the Trinity is biblical. Yes or no so My question especially for the people who do not believe that the Trinity is biblical Is it the name? Is it the term? Trinity What is one of the the number one responses that you hear from people who do not believe in the Trinity? Who say it's not biblical? What's that? What's the number one? I was the number one but one of it's not the number one responses that that People put up for saying that there is no Trinity Well, typically the number one response or one of the top or if it's not number one is up there And that is the word Trinity is not in the Bible. You all have you heard that? I'm sure you've heard that before that the word Trinity is not in the Bible Well, that part is true That part is true and I tried to at times typically guys in the past I've tried to stay away from the T word I've tried to keep people from getting triggered and let's just deal with let's just deal with the scriptures and Go with that right without saying the word Trinity because we don't have to use the word Trinity We don't have to use the word Trinity to prove that there is the Trinity. Okay, he says Okay Says that the Trinity explains that all three are one correct because Jesus has a nature That the other two don't have which is humanity Can three persons be the same but not the same nature? Well They have the same nature. It's just that one that is Jesus the son of God the son who is God Took on and will matter of fact will come to this he is going to wrap himself in flesh Has he always existed in human form? No, he has not but he himself has always existed We'll get to that in in just a little bit. So that's a good question As a matter of fact, let me make sure I highlight that to come back to that if I don't specifically say that later, but because there's one passage that people bring up that Bothers them and so we will do it. I'll deal with this issue of first John 5-7 and I will deal with that Let's see. Okay So Speaking about words that are not in the Bible You've heard it said obviously the Trinity is not in the Bible the word Trinity is not in the Bible And that's correct. We believe the concept is Just like in people that the natural the number one response to that as well. The word Bible is not in the Bible Actually, truth be told the Bible actually is in the Bible the word the word where we have the word Bible Which is derived from the word book be below that actually isn't in the in the the Bible Sorry guys, but There's other words that we speak of that we say as Christians Even those who do not believe in the Trinity also use that are not found in the Bible The word church is not in the Bible Now you may have a translation that calls it church, but the word is a gathering or assembly That's what it is. The term church comes in it's added later And so of course, there's also been some confusion as as regards that but what else is not in the Bible Well, the word New Testament or Testament. It's not in the Bible and If that's the case within all testament is not in the Bible Is there anybody who doesn't believe in the Trinity that doesn't believe in the Old Testament or the New Testament? No, because the concept is there the same can be said for the Trinity So now I will ask you guys this question Especially for those people who will watch this later and those who are live Who do not believe in the Trinity my question is this? Do you obviously we believe that God the father is God that parts of given we don't have any any difficulty with that although today I Left the church to come here. I caught an uber at uber. What is that a lift? I caught a lift back the lady that brought me back. She believes That there is a father and That there is the mother and she went to a passage and I'm saying wow She believes in the Trinity, but she believes there's also some mother that's in there somewhere Have no idea, but I was fascinated and I said, you know what? I'm gonna check out their website check out their church and see what they're talking about It was just fascinating and so as you're giving them scriptures. I was giving them scriptures in the car and I think she was a little bit taken aback because wait a second the answer your questions The objections are here in the scriptures. How do you get past that her whole issue with keeping the Sabbath and and not worshipping on Sunday all these There are some amazing Views out there. You wonder how people get there. No, she's not Catholic as a matter of fact. She's anti-catholic, but How she got that how well I'll cover it later how they got to that, but it's not new age It's not it's not new age either. It's just what is it's weird That's what it is. It's just weird, but She gave me some some information look at I'll look at it and then I'll tear it apart now Let's see minister Strakers says God one God means one guy. Well, guess what? Those of us who hold to the trend the belief of the Trinity. We believe there's one God as a matter of fact We're gonna cover that's my question is though then to you sir and anyone else is this We believe that God the father is God Do you all believe that Jesus is God? Do you also believe or if not? Let us know why do you also believe that the Holy Spirit is God? That'd be my question. Do you all believe that Jesus is God or not? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is God? Obviously, we know that God the father is God But what about Jesus? What about the Holy Spirit if and I get it It is difficult to explain a concept that we have no familiarity with we have no understanding We there's no basis for us to even be able to kind of put together in our mind and speak it with absolute clarity such as The nature the character the identity of God that is hard. It's hard No doubt about it now But some things are just also clear in scripture Something at least I said we yes Some things are clear But I want to hear from you guys that don't believe so Minister Straker and a few others who don't believe that Jesus Or don't believe the Trinity do you believe that Jesus is God because there's some people who don't believe in the Trinity? But they believe Jesus is God. They believe it that the Holy Spirit is God Well that kind of a person I'll say they hold to Key essential doctrine Because the spirit is the spirit of God. I will pour out of my spirit. Well One of the things that we have to do also sometimes guys is when we look at I've got you I've got you. I'm gonna I'm gonna answer the question about Romans. I mean about the first John one of the things we have to do though is Just because we see something in our language that mean that our language is the basis for how we interpret So when we say son of God Does it really mean that he's son of God that he's his son in that sense the way that we would think of a son? No We'll find out what was meant by that in a little bit now Because I heard someone kind of Put someone with that same question when they brought up the spirit of God and then and then his his opponent's retort was Since God is a spirit then is the spirit of a spirit Does that make sense the spirit of a spirit since God is a spirit and you say the Holy Spirit is a spirit of God Then are we saying that the spirit of God is a spirit of a spirit? How does that make sense? Again, the issue that we're going to have is that it's hard for all of this to always make sense It it really is and so when someone is struggling to kind of put this together in terms and words I Understand the labor I understand the problems I just can't quite put my words in order and even when people are trying to explain it sometimes It's difficult to explain to someone. I know that the Trinity is right. I know Jesus's God I know the Holy Spirit is God, but how do I put it together? One of the questions that I never forget I've talked to a guy who did not believe that the That Jesus is God and if the Holy Spirit is God well then my question him was who raised who raised Jesus from the dead There's there's a question and when you find the answer you'll you kind of maybe you'll confuse yourself more Maybe you'll maybe not the light will come on, but some some some light may be seen The Bible tells us that God raised it. We're told that it acts We're also told that Jesus raised from the dead. We're also told that the Holy Spirit raised him raised Christ from the dead Now all three of those can't be true unless all three of them all three are God and so Now here's where here's where I kind of go back because the first thing I do is to try to prove that Jesus is God is To try to prove you said the father raised Jesus from the dead You're right. The father absolutely did raise Jesus from the dead But Jesus also claims that he raised himself and Peter also says that the Spirit of God raised Jesus from the dead So the Holy Spirit is told to have raised and she said that he's raised himself from the dead So which is it? Well, how about all three of the three of them be true now? I'm trying to keep my train of thought and Look at the the statements cuz sometimes you guys ask questions without putting a question or cue in front of it So anyway, let's go ahead and jump into it By the way, there's going to be some Some I Don't know a little bit of scholastic Parsing here. We're gonna deal with something having to do with grammar a Couple of things that that grammatically prove that Jesus got even though some people don't want to Assume that I say that now it's hard nowadays to by the way by the way Remember I said that every every essential doctrine Every essential doctrine that we have is going to go by the wayside the longer we go as a church There will be less and less people holding on to key essential Christian doctrine It's just how it is in other words more people are going to believe false doctrines have false beliefs and Less and less he was gonna hold to the true doctrine. We know best the case because Paul says so The time will come when men will not endure people not endure sound doctor It's gonna happen more and more and so every doctrine that you can think of that is valuable to God It will fall more and more out of favor out of the mainstream and All of the bad doctrine the bad teaching you'll see that increase heresy is going to increase more and more and So it should come as no surprise that this belief in the Trinity the doctrine of Trinity is Not as a spouse or accept it as it used to be by by the same percentage of believers in Christ More and more Christians or more more people who call themselves Christians are turning against the Trinity Okay now I'm trying to mark these as as I go He said the spirit of God radiates from him. Okay, so here's gonna be my question I want and I want you guys. I want you to do this. I want you people I'm only asking the people who don't believe in the Trinity. I want you to humor me I want you to assume that you might be wrong or or to say to yourself that even soon that's gonna be hard But suppose if I were wrong, then I would be wrong on this in other words Well, when I show you these passages as well, then if I'm wrong, then that's these are the passages that I did I thought I need to work on Okay, what does I'll get that question. What does begotten mean? I'll come to that but now Uh-oh, do I have it here? Oh, yeah, I do have it here. I do have it here. I Cover this before I want to cover it again. Oh Somebody came in late. Somebody came in late Messiah pool says Trinity is not in the Bible smart Christian my brother neither is Bible neither is church Neither is the word church in the Bible neither is the word New Testament neither is the word Old Testament Are those concepts true? Sure. They are Sure, they are So too is so that is so let me just say this guys as we go forward Let me just say this going forward Don't ever bring up that argument that the word Trinity is not in the Bible as a matter of fact None of your ink will not one say no But but the overwhelming majority of the English words that you use aren't in the Bible So Let's just dispense with that again a lot of the words that you use in your regular life That are true. We do not see in the Bible So it's just not a it's just not a good response now the issue is is the concept and please please please for the love of Colts for the love of the cowboys for the love of the raiders or redskins Oh, they're not in team anymore for the love of whatever for the love of your mama and your daddy for the love of everything Please please please Do not say that the Catholic Church invented the Trinity Do not say that Constantine invented the Trinity Please you have disqualified yourself from being taken rationally. Do not say that. All right now The Apostles never taught the Trinity. All right. Listen minister Straker pay attention. Just listen for a second I want you to follow me for a second if you think I'm wrong go ahead and tell me she's for the love of oat milk, no Tell me if I'm wrong now. The Bible tells us Let's go to Deuteronomy put on screen Deuteronomy for let's start for 435 Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 35. Let's read a little bit to you It was shown that you might know that the Lord is God. There is no other beside him. So Would you all agree that according to this passage that the Lord is God? You all would agree as a matter of fact if we drop down to verse 39. He's going to reiterate that again in verse 39 chapter 4 Know therefore today and Lay it to your heart that the Lord is God in heaven above and on earth beneath there is no other so Two things even more than verse 35. We know the Lord is God. That's one Secondly, there is no other that's two. So we know there's one God Now for those of you all who are against the Trinity Don't say please also add this to the things that you should never say that people who believe in the Trinity believe in Different gods multiple gods two or three or four or five guys. We do not we believe in one God One God who has been revealed and I'm using this word intentionally Revealed not manifested not Taken on different modes, but he has revealed himself to us in the form of God the father God the son God the Holy Spirit. I'll make that case just a little bit more a little bit later, but So far we can agree that There's one God according to what we just read and we can also agree that the Lord is God so one God and the Lord is God So who is the Lord everyone God minister striker and anyone else who also believes that let's see Alex. Let's see Alex Miller says that Tritheism is are you saying the Trinity? Are you saying the Trinity though? Are you referring to the Trinity or I'm not sure what you're referring to but anyone who believes that? and The Sun type If you disagree Do you at least agree that the Lord is God? Okay, now I know everyone wants to get there their comments in Okay, I want to I want to try to go with my notes and also pay attention to your comments But it's going to be hard to make it through in a smooth fashion If you do not listen what I'm what I'm saying then respond to because I'll actually respond more to the people Who don't believe in the Trinity today? Then the folks who do I'll now remember guys I'm pretty good with my eyes All right, I can keep my eye on the on the text on my notes on the camera and on the screen Well, they used to call us back in day if you work glasses for eyes and all four of my eyes are working Oh, and then the spirit is Keeping me abreast of what's happening Technologically, so yeah, I'm operating in the spirit too so now What is meant? By the word God, okay, we'll try we'll cover that too. We'll cover it too. I'm marking these questions as well What about Deuteronomy 64? That's a great question. We're gonna cover that in just a second as well So now all of you guys my question is is the Lord God? That's that's my only question right now So everyone in the chat tell me is the Lord God According to the passage that we just looked at is the Lord God now if you say no Then we got a problem either you're not looking you just don't want to You know what we're the thing just moved so quickly, you know it easy you might be right you might You might be right easy I might be on for For a full two hours. I'm gonna try not to I am going to try not to but yeah We'll see every time I say I don't want to be on for two hours. I ain't I'm going for two hours So we'll try not to this time But we're gonna have some fun. We're gonna have some fun and not fight and by the way Speaking of this whole topic and not fighting Lord God. Can you please tell us where is Uncle Jay? All that fussing and fighting all this where's Uncle Jay Now wait a second though minister wait minister I could don't get ahead of me. Don't get ahead of me All right. Do you believe sir? I don't want you try to head me off at the past I'm just sticking with the text so far is the Lord God Now you say we have two Lords. Okay. I don't think we have two Lords I don't think we have two Lords, but the Lord has got now Excellent someone said what about Deuteronomy 6-4. Let's put on the screen This is what we call the shema here. Oh Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one People point to that passage to prove or to disprove the Trinity it does not It just simply says that passage simply says that the Lord our God is one I want to show you something about this passage in just a little bit But before I get there is there a reason is there a reason Why Moses would bring this up why most would make this statement that the Lord our God minister strike or you not do it You're not you're not you're not being fair. You're not listening I'm asking to pay attention what I'm saying because you're gonna deny everything I'm saying without hearing everything I'm saying, but it's fine. It's just fine Moses makes this statement for a reason. Why would Moses bring it up that the Lord your God or the Lord our God is One why? well because there have been the these appearances of people Who other people there's been an appearance of someone or some ones? I don't know. I don't know who people have called God Think about Hagar Here she is she meets with the angel of the Lord Now we got to put over to the corner is the angel of the Lord God But she meets with the angel of the Lord and Tells her to go back to her mistress and the angel of the Lord says that he will bless her and that that he Interesting talk coming from an angel if it's just a regular angel Says that he the angel of the Lord will will bless her Or her son to be fruitful and to increase in terms of their their population and Then what does Hagar say? Hagar calls him this angel of the Lord the God who sees Hagar calls the angel of the Lord that's speaking with her calls her God I mean calls him God Are you with me? Does anybody disagree or do we have to go to that passage Genesis chapter 16? This is where Hagar is speaking to the angel of the Lord and she calls him God Someone's gonna say wait a second though the angel of the Lord, but we're talking about angel Well, the word angel does not necessarily mean always what do you think of as an angel? It just simply means a messenger someone who is bringing a message. Okay now Hey Gar calls matter of fact, I'd be wrong. Let's just go ahead and go to the screen Let's go ahead and put on the screen cuz I want you guys to see it. What is that? Genesis 16 I Be I'd be wrong if I didn't just put it on the screen and let's just go here. All right Genesis 16 and let's go to let's start in verse verse 7 The angel of the Lord Found her so who found Hagar the angel of the Lord? Let's drop down and he said Hagar servant of Sarai. Where have you come from and where are you going? Verse 9 the angel of the Lord said to her return to your mistress and submit to her the angel of the Lord Also said her I will surely multiply your offspring. It's kind of interesting Language coming from the angel if he's just a regular angel and not the angel of the Lord who is not God That's that's the kind of thing that God would say because it's exactly what God said about Abraham What he would do we said I'll surely multiply your offspring and look what he says in verse 11 The angel of the Lord said to her behold your pregnancy bear a son His name should be Ishmael because the Lord has listened to your affliction now look what she says about him in verse 13 so she calls the name of the Lord who spoke Who spoke with her? I get this off the screen. I'm sorry She calls the angel of the Lord who spoke with her. You are a God of seeing Excuse me for she said truly here. I have seen him who looks after me. So now the question is She calls him God She is clear. She's calling him God What's she wrong? Was Hagar wrong in calling the angel of the Lord God? That's the question so for my so for my friends in the chat who believe that There's no trinity my question to you guys matter my question all of you guys is was Hagar right or was she wrong when she calls him God? That's the question on the floor Was she right? Or was she wrong? I think you guys are misunderstanding. I let me let me say a different way Was Hagar right in calling him God? Some of you guys are saying no. I know you guys believe in Trinity Well, she yes, she was right Hagar was right in calling him God Now, is there anyone that believes Hagar was wrong that she should not have called him God? Because I would submit to you Andrew are you saying that no she should not she should not have called him God Crying happy says wrong. She was wrong if she was wrong. Here's the question. Here's the issue I'm sorry if I confuse you tire out my my bad. I'm sorry If you if someone says that she did not call him God Or that she was wrong Then we don't take it up with Hagar That's not who we take this up with we take this up with two people with Moses who wrote this for us and with God who told Moses because Moses wasn't there God is telling the story and neither Moses in his writing did not correct her nor did God in telling the story Correct her and say that no she was wrong with me No, no, it was only one guy and that wouldn't me. No, remember God is telling the story By the way, I want you guys to answer this question you guys who don't believe in the Trinity What is harmed in your theology? If if Jesus is not God But she calls him God Now she's not the only one and I can't go for just for time's sake because I am gonna try not to make it two hour but just for time's sake They don't believe Moses wrote it But there's other people who came in contact with the Lord of Angel Lord Gideon Meets with the angel of the Lord Gideon calls them God Remember Balaam and the donkey calls him God Another one is because someone's gonna say well, I don't like this whole thing about it being angel of the Lord We'll get the angel of the Lord Lord in just a little bit but in Genesis Famous pastor, I never really get a decent Explanation or a butto of the Genesis 32 passage speaking about Jacob wrestling with a man the Bible says that Jacob wrestled with a man If he wrestled with the man and then the man at the very end. He's called God He says let's go in verse 28 then he said your name should no longer be called Jacob But Israel that's the man who's wrestling with Jacob He says but Israel for you have striven with God and with men and that prevail then Jacob asked him Please tell me your name, but he said why do you ask? Why is that you asked my name and there he blessed the man blessed him? And so Jacob called the name of the place Piniel Saying for I have seen God for I have seen God now I want you to guys feast your eyes over to the right side of the page Why I guess the middle where I what I have highlighted This word Peniel It's two words Okay, now I want you guys especially guys who do not believe in the Trinity to pay attention to what I'm getting ready to show you We don't just deal with just Greek We also take care of the Hebrew as well. Look at the word that's stated here this word Peniel. There are two words The first word is penny penny means face The second word is L God Face God face God Do you understand what I'm saying? So when he names the place Peniel He's saying that he's seen God faith God's face Now this has to be I'm telling you we'll come to this in a little bit later We see God's face in a veiled form Not in his fullness because he man cannot be before the fullness of God. So God veils himself now We'll get to that in a second striker. You're you're you're throwing up scriptures, which which tells me tells me You're not a good student right now You may have been a good student in the past but not right now because you cannot it is literally impossible For you to listen and then go look up other scriptures while you're listening because you're gonna miss what I'm saying But that's fine. It may be that you have no interest in hearing the other side Which is fine. Maybe you'll watch the video later and say, you know what? I kind of see his point I've disagreed. So let me go sit back and pull it apart. Well pull this apart penny L Tell me how that What did Jacob mean by calling him one calling him God to saying that he's seen the face of God? There's one for you now So we see him and we're and it's not called an angel because some somebody's gonna get bent out of shape Because hey, you called this person you said an angel. So are we saying angels or God? Not the angels that you guys might be thinking of no not like Not like the a angel a I mean Gabriel or Michael. No, we are talking about we are talking about The angel of the Lord now The word that comes up often and it's the third word of the Bible Better chief by the Elohim this Elohim is the word that's used a lot to describe God give it a name Now, do we know the actual name of God? Let me just make it clear We don't know his actual name even if we take that the tetragrammar kind that we have is his name We don't even know how to pronounce it. Why because in Hebrew, they don't have vowel markings And so to add the if we think is Jehovah or Yahweh or Yoha, we just don't know We don't know what the valve markings were for that particular word But if you want to call them Yahweh, no problem. Do you want to call them God fine? Just make sure you call them. Amen. Now In truth, you're gonna have a lot of Jews. They're gonna say people that read Hebrew who are Jewish Who don't believe in Jesus who don't believe in trinity. They'll say well That word in the plural doesn't always mean the plural But in most cases it does and they and they struggle to find decent examples of that but in Hebrew There are three ways to Number something. There's a singular Like for example, if I say soos, that's a singular horse If I want to say two horses the dual that's the other way is suicide That's two horses. If I want to say horses three or more. I'd say Sussim in This case God could have just called himself in Genesis 1 L Or he could use the tetragrammaton the the Yoha or Yahweh, which everyone pronounce it He could just use that but in this case he used the plural and there's something Interesting going on with the plural because he later on later on says let us make man in our I would love to know who the us in the hour and please do not say it's an angel because we're not made in Images of angels are we made in the image of God and Jesus? I say yes Others might say yes, but they're different. I say yes, but they're the same That's what I say. I say that they both make up a part and we'll give this whole issue of the Godhead to hopefully But they are they are God Yes, I believe that Jacob did experience a Christophan. We know experience of Christophan or theophany a Christophan or theophany is an in an early appearance of deity We say Christophan if we say that the appearance of deity, I'm sorry if we said that the appearance of deity is Christ but if the appearance of deity is not Christ, we're not sure we just hate theophany. So we'll say yes I believe that he did experience of theophany. We know he did Why don't we say we know he did because he calls the place or who we met was God He said he's wrestling he's wrestling with God face to face and have Survived or he's wrestling God and have lived and he calls the place penny face L God Now The reason why I'm bringing this up is because we read the Shema dude around me six forward It's also repeated in the New Testament hero Israel the Lord our God is one. I want to go to that passage Let's put it back on the screen Is that it? Oh Oh, I'm sorry, there it is Dude around me six four Now I want you to notice something. I don't know what you're talking about. This is the best you could have done But anyway hero Israel the Lord our God is one the reason why he brings it up is because Israel has had occasions to where Someone has met God. Are we meeting different gods? Let's just be clear because the people you don't understand There's only one God the Lord our God is one now What I want to focus our attention on over here. It still is the Hebrew and that is when we look at this the Lord By the way, here's that word. Yeah, wha and I'm saying yeah, because I we don't really know how to pronounce But I'm say yeah wha the Lord Hero is the Lord our God Look at this word over to the right or in the middle this word for God This word is Ella, huh? Ella, huh? Ella. I knew Ellie. I knew. I'm sorry. I'm butchered. I didn't know which is Ella who knew is which is look at look at the bottom left-hand corner is a bottom left-hand corner Yeah, look at the bottom left-hand corner. Look what it says guys. This says it's the masculine plural construct So even when he says the Lord our God He uses the plural of our God Interesting wouldn't you say he uses the plural now Before I get to Jesus. I want to say something I Think what I'm getting ready to say so far. I've I've I've as of yet as of yet I'm not saying that it can't be done. It hasn't been done. I just hadn't heard about it But as of yet, I've never heard a person who disagrees with the Trinity Answer or deal with what I'm getting rich right now. Many of you guys have already heard me cover this as a matter of fact I did a short where I said The Trinity in less than 60 seconds and then about a month or two ago. I covered this as well But I'll cover this again. Let's go to Moses Moses met God right? Moses meets God When Moses meets God, and I want you guys to pay attention Moses met God where he meets God at the burning bush So let's go ahead and put that on the screen And let's dive into this And if we go to verse 2 after Moses attending the flock Well, look what you see there. Who who do we see showing up right there in verse 2? What's the very who's then who's the guy right here? Who's the character? Who's the person? Who's the guy playing this role? Who shows up in verse 2 at the very beginning? Could y'all just let us all know who is it? None other than the angel of the Lord The angel of the Lord shows up the angel of the Lord Appears to him to who to Moses so following the angel of the Lord appears to Moses Where does he appear to Moses out of out of the midst of the bush? What's happening? There is a bush on fire Mo and the angel of the Lord appears to him out of the midst are we are we straight minister striker? Everyone else make sure you follow this Who is appearing out of the bush according to my good friend Cephas Rock? Oh, I keep doing this the angel of the Lord The angel of the Lord has appeared. All right. Gesundheit. I want you to gesundheit I don't yo mean you pay attention brother or sister. I'm not sure if you're I'm gonna assume I don't know why that you're man. You could be woman But my dear friend gesundheit my question is Who appeared to Moses out of the bush out of the flame of the Mrs. Bush in verse 2 Let's put it back on the screen so everyone can see who appears Then according to the text the angel of the Lord the angel of the Lord All right now let's keep reading he looked and behold the bush was burning yet It was not consumed and Moses said I will turn aside to see this great sight why the bush is not burnt. All right, so What is he gonna turn aside to see he is going to turn aside to see Why this bush is not burning up and who we have we told who have we already been told is in the midst of this bush that's burning The angel of the Lord so you guys that don't believe in the Trinity just right to the side somewhere at the angel of the Lord matter of fact I should you know what I should have put together a slide. So let's just pretend this Perfect perfect perfect prop Here is the bush You guys will love this here is the bush. Let me turn so you can see the colts here is the bush All right, walk with me on this inside the bush is who? According to verse 2 The angel of the Lord so when Moses turns to see that this bush here is on fire Who does who is Moses going to be seen according to verse 2 who's inside the bush is on fire the angel of the Lord? Are you with me? All right good. So the bush That's not blasphemous the bush and inside the bush is the angel of the Lord All right, I know this is by the new cowboy fans and you people that don't like football All right, let's go back to it First four when the Lord saw wait a second hold up. Wait a minute now. We got a problem now. We got a problem Now it's not the angel of the Lord now. We've got a new name a new designation We've got a new designation faith alone in Christ a wonderful person. God bless you Faith up So now we've got the Lord Saw let's go back to it the Lord saw that he turned aside to see God called him out of the bush. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let's go back to our prop Let's go back to our prop. So this is for this for this conversation. This is the bush We've already been told that in the midst of this bush is the angel of the Lord Here we see in verse 4 we said that the Lord saw So now we've got the Lord seeing that Moses turned to see and turn to see who up according to the rest of this that God called out to him From where where does it say according to verse 4 that God is calling out to Moses out of the bush? Well, I thought that the Lord was in some danger the Lord was inside the bush It is he is the angel of the Lord is in the midst of the bush But then we see God calling out from the midst of the bush So we got the angel of the Lord and we've got the Lord who's singing turned towards him and it said that God Calls out from now. We don't even have to worry about is the Lord God Because we already read two passages that said the Lord is God So if we come back and say in this verse that the Lord is not God But now we're contradicting what Moses said in Deuteronomy 4 35 and 39 So we see the angel of the Lord who's in the midst of the bush and we see God who's in the midst of the bush calling out Alright, so so far This bush that's on fire in The midst of the bush is the angel of the Lord The Lord God those are the those are the three names of the three terms that have been given so far so far People who are non-trinitarians. Am I wrong so far? I'm not I'm not Nailing my case just yet. I'm just laying down foundation So far would I be correct in saying that in the midst of this burning bush is the angel of the Lord the Lord God Whether they're separate or the same whether the Trinity or what have you would I be correct in saying that the angel of the Lord is is is calling out the Lord is calling out God is calling out Would I be correct according to what we've read thus far verses 2 through 4? Would I be correct if you say no, I would love to hear your rationale This is typically guys. This is typically where typically where most Non-trinitarians go silent if y'all recall the last time we had this we had about four or five Non-trinitarians on when I cover this I'm searching I'm searching for them So I want you guys that are non-trinitarians to stay with me and answer these questions. All right Who is in the midst of the bush? Non-trinitarians tell us who is in the midst of the bush Pretty easy. We hadn't gotten we hadn't even said the name Jesus Hadn't even said the name Jesus yet Who is in the midst of the bush? I don't know why I'm sitting and acting like I want to hear you because I can't hear you But I'm actually just looking on the I want to know who is in the midst of the bush Gesundheit says the Lord and the angel of the Lord, right? Also, would you say God is in the now good soon time? I see what you did there. I see I see what you did there I see what you did there. You you you you slick you I get it. But listen Is God good soon tight is God in the midst of the bush? I Want to know from you is God in the midst of the bush I need it I almost want to park and not leave and I move one until you speak but is God in the midst of the bush Gesundheit. She's yes. Okay, cool So we've got angel of the Lord in the midst of the bush the Lord God amen amen now we're cooking with with grease So let's keep reading Cuz we're going to be introduced to somebody else. We're going to be introduced somebody you all know where I'm going You all know already know where I'm going Verse 5 then Moses says thank you Son of John formerly Simon Peter Or what I'm sorry verse 5 then he said No, I'm sorry verse 4 God called him out of the missus bush and he says Moses Moses and he said here here I am then he said do not come near Take your sandals off your feet for the place on which you are standing is holy ground The place where which you are standing is holy ground. That sounds like God and He said I am the God of your well now Now you just unmade it clear Don't go to God you went and made it clear because now he says who I am not am I just the Lord or the Lord I am I Am the God of your father the God of Abraham the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob and Moses hit his face Why why because he was afraid to look at God He was afraid to now it makes sense what what what What Jacob said when he says penny L penny L face of God I was afraid to look on his face because you know I cannot be in the presence of God and look at his glory and live Something about his glory though makes it possible for me because Moses Moses you've been looking at his face Or you've been looking at the fire you've been looking at it nothing has changed now Moses has his face I can't look at it now There's there's a reverential awe there But apparently Moses can still look at the fire though and not die How could that be God and Moses look at the fire and not die? How could they well some kind of way? He has to be in some sort of veiled form to where it's not his fullness now We go on further and he asks when he says who shall I say sent me you all know the story. I am I am a sent me Now the question is this if we've got by I am if we've gotten and And and Jews would even agree with this Jews would agree with this Even Muslims agree with this point that I'm going to make Jews agree with this Muslims agree with this. Are you with me? Here it is Jews would agree that God and Muslim would do any to every Christian Would agree that God if he wants to can wrap himself up in whatever he wants to if he wants to wrap himself up in fire He can you know why we say he can't and even will because we just read it We just we just saw God wrap himself in fire and call himself God This this bush on fire. He's wrapped himself in fire and called himself God Here's my question. Here is the 64,000 dollar question, which we need to change in since 64,000 dollars It's not what it used to be back in the day. There's some new young folks It was a game show called the 64,000 dollar question. Anyway Here is the 64 billion dollar question if God Has wrapped himself up in fire and he's literally there before Moses and he tells Moses Take off your Nikes because you on holy ground take off your Reeboks take off your your church shoes Moses take off your sandals You are on holy ground. This is God Here's my question Who's in heaven my question in if God Has wrapped himself in fire and is now before Moses Who's in heaven? I'll drink out of my prop right now Who's in heaven has God left heaven unattended? Hey Gabriel, I'm about to go down here to earth Here's the keys ahead and make sure make sure Michael and the guys don't do anything crazy. Are you got me Gabriel right? Take care. Take care Did God leave heaven unattended? No, he didn't So if God there you go zoom tight you about to get it you let me put it on the screen because I'm tight Where's my cursor? Because I'm tight says this God is spirit. He's everywhere Amen, we're getting somewhere. So God is I Almost want to just hit the button and say we're through Because the zoom type I think is getting it. I think here's why here's why I'm gonna leave this on the screen for a minute Says because I'm tight says God is spirit. God is everywhere. Amen. We are shown throughout scriptures By the way, some other terms that we don't see omnipotent. I'm the present omniscient Those also aren't in the Bible, but we do believe that God is omnipotent All powerful that he's omniscient all knowing and that he's omnipresent three other words that aren't in the Bible We all agree with that concept this I this I'm the present God is everywhere He's everywhere at the same time and by the way guys, that's just not relegated this time He's not only this I almost want to stop and just preach this He's not just everywhere at the same time right now But he's everywhere at the same time right now and in the past and in the future Fast forward 40 years. He's there go back a thousand years. He's there go forward. He's there wherever you go He's there It's almost like the song of my buddy wherever I go. He goes. Amen But so he so if we know that God is right here in this fire We know it because God is moses that you don't don't come any further moses. This is just God talking to you take your shoes off So he's there. He's also in heaven He's also got heaven covered And then look what gasuntai went ahead and said Beat me to the punch says that he's a spirit. He's everywhere. So that means not only is God right there before moses Heaven is not unoccupied. He's still there And his spirit is not just there but all over the rest of the earth Like when davis said, where can I go to be out of your presence? If I make my bed in hell, there will you be? right So if he makes his bed in hell if he's if he's if his spirit is everywhere And then we also see at that very moment that he is at this one locale Talking to moses and he's still in heaven You know what you just agreed with you just agreed with the trinity All we're saying is the same thing that muslims agree with and that jews agree with that God can wrap himself in fire and still be in heaven and still have his spirit all over the earth The only difference is now we're saying that God can also instead of wrapping himself in fire because if he can wrap himself in fire Well, surely he can wrap himself in flesh Now think about it What what would you think would be the more amazing thing to wrap yourself in fire and talk or wrap yourself in flesh? I think wrap yourself in fire will probably take the cake. I've never seen one person Except on the little marvel comics or whatever the guy fires or whatever the guy could turn turn the fire I've never seen anybody wrap themselves in fire and talk and live And be comfortable and be who they are But we see god doing that wrapped himself If if he can wrap himself in fire He can wrap himself in flesh And if he can do that while at the same time being in heaven and being all over the earth That is ladies and gentlemen, what we call the trinity Think about this when when god is speaking to when he is speaking to uh, moses Is he any less god? Okay. Okay. I see my friend minister striker show up minister striker You said god is in heaven correct Just minister strike. I want to hear from you minister strike because you disappeared for a minute If god is in heaven, are we saying that he was not there in that burning bush? I didn't know from you my friend is was god not in the burnt Yeah, he's in heaven But was he all is he also in the burning bush according to uh chapter three of exodus? Is he also in the burning bush? We need to know this Because this is where people start. All right. Now. Let me start figuring this out Let me figure out how I can make this not make sense To the rest of world will make sense to me so I can justify what I'm trying to say you can't If he is in you said you're right. He's in heaven. He is in heaven He is in heaven But isn't he also according to the passage isn't he also Uh in the midst of the bush The burning bush You've got to say yes You've got to say yes And what we also see what we also see is not only are we saying that god is in the midst of the burning bush The angel the lord is in the midst of the burning bush God the lord is in the midst of the burning bush So if the lord The angel the lord and we don't have to remember the lord We've already been told that the lord according to moses in deuteronomy 4 is god The lord is god And it's god who's speaking And it's the angel lord who were first introduced at that moment at verse 2 So now we have right there the angel the lord The lord and god there he ladies and gentlemen uncle jee uncle jee jump on him. Tell me tell me I don't know if you heard what I said uncle jee I don't know if you said heard what I said uncle jee But who do we who is speaking out of the midst of this bush? We've got the angel the lord We've got the lord we got god Anyone say differently is either intentionally lying or which that's what a lie is intentional is either lying or is not looking No, sir. No, sir. And listen, you caused a bit of a ruckus the other day So we're gonna hold you to this according. Do I do I uncle jee? Do I need to read this to you again? I don't have a problem with it. It's friday I didn't just get paid Um, but it is friday night. I'm feeling pretty good uncle jee Uncle jee. I need you to follow with me. I don't want I don't want you to just try to prove your point I want you to see what what the scriptures say. Yes. Sometimes a uncle jee you you sometimes Wait, oh, steven says listen When I'm talking about steven, we're talking about moses right here, buddy. I want you You're not gonna you're not gonna listen to me You're not gonna listen to me. So ladies and gentlemen of the court so far. We've seen according to excess We've seen the angel the lord the angel the lord is in the midst of the bush God according to excess is in the midst of the bush The lord is in the midst of the bush and he calls himself. I am Without going to any of the pastors because we haven't gone anywhere yet. We'll get to the new testament But without going to any other passages. I don't know why uncle jee is on steven We're not I don't we haven't met steven yet. We're in the old testament right now Without going any other passages Am I correct if I just want to and I know I'm I'm harping on this I know I'm harping on this but I really want to get this through because somebody's somewhere Like, you know what that kind of makes sense Yeah, but the word trinity is not in the bible nor is the word bible nor is the word church Nor is the word new testament nor is the word old testament nor is omnipresent omniscient omnipotent None of those are the but we all agree with those things So Who's in the midst of the bush god the angel of the lord the lord calls himself? I am and if he's there who's in heaven Who's also on the face of the earth and god can wrap himself in fire And still be in heaven kenny not wrap himself in flesh and still be in heaven All of those people that we've encountered Where there'd be haygar Where there'd be gideon Where there'd be abraham Where there'd be moses Whoever it may be All of these people call him god All these people have these encounter Penny L Penny L face god all these people all the no one's called him an angel You don't see the problem is uncle j you do not want you refuse to listen Now you you got you got heated and gotten in the little conversation. Yes, but answer my question I didn't call him an angel Of uncle j e did I write the bible? Nope. Did you know? Get off this word angel the bible caught. You know what? Let me help you out. I I understand I understand you want you want to you want to belabor the point? I don't have it's okay. Like I said friday. Here's the issue Verse two uncle j e follow along with me and the angel of the lord appeared to him in A flame a fire out of the midst of the bush uncle j e and everyone else Who we now we already covered this maybe you came in late But that's okay though because you caused a little ruckus the other day We weren't even talking about the trinity, but you want to get on the trinity so fine fine You're right. I'm almost tempted to bring you on And make you answer these questions I'm almost tempted to just bring you on and just not have you go over steven Not have you go over any other pastors. Let's deal with this So uncle j e who is Who is spoken of right here? Is this the angel of the lord? Did I write this? Did I write this uncle j you won't answer the question The bible says the angel of the lord appeared to him in the flame Then the bible says the lord and that god called to him out of the midst of the bush out of this flame That is god who's talking so got the angel of the lord and god Then he calls himself the i am now This is why This is why moses in deuteronomy has to say hero israel the lord Our god and the word god that he uses there We already saw this the our god is the plural form of god Because we keep having these interactions with people with man interacting with god And we can call him god because we didn't call him god The people in the bible call him god and the people that are tell and who's telling us the story The person that's telling us that's that's that wrote down that these people are calling them god is moses and who's telling moses That these people are calling them god god is God doesn't verify that they're lying moses doesn't say that they're lying. No no one So now The angel of the lord is god. Would you agree? Is there anyone right before I move forward? Is there anyone that disagrees With the statement that the angel of the lord is god Is there anyone that disagrees with the statement that the lord is god? Is there anyone would disagree with though any either of those two statements that the lord is god or the angel of the lord Is god does anyone disagree? If you do i'm going to ask you to tell me How to explain these scriptures that we cover Now if the angel of the lord is god and if the lord is god, and I just just regular math The angel of the lord Is the lord and the lord is god or the lord is the angel of the lord the lord is the angel of the lord is god And god equals the lord And we should have a problem with with with the lord being god now The issue going forward and we won't go into it just for a second time But the bible tells us who led them out of egypt And the bible is going to say god led them out of egypt the bible is going to say that the lord led them out of egypt The bible said that the angel of the lord led them out of egypt, which is fine When you hear the term the lord when you hear the term the angel of the lord that is god Without question without question now To make it really simple How many lords are there? we're told We are told in romans That salvation is by us confessing that jesus is lord We're told that jesus is lord confess that Confess that so wait a second that now this is this is almost borderline blasphemy. Matter of fact, it probably is You said god uses representative agencies So he uses representatives who call themselves god So you mean tell me that god is going to have someone show up and call themself god And then when they show up and act like god Receive worship like god and have someone bow down to them like god. Is that what they're going to do? No, he says i there is no lord no other god beside me as a matter of fact exes chapter 20 tells us that No one else can receive worship only god can be worship So the angel of the lord can't be worshiped unless he's god The lord can't be worshiped unless he's god We know that the lord is god not some agency now you're using words you're throwing words in there And that's that i understand that's to keep you from seeing what god is trying to say That's fine. So it's clear that jesus that that the lord Is god and it's also clear that we have to confess that jesus is lord That part is clear also if you do not confess Here it is That jesus is lord. You cannot be saved. Maybe that's the issue with some people Maybe that's the issue of some people. Yeah, okay fine You're playing along and you're not being serious that this is why people have an issue with you brother Just be honest with you because you're saying yeah men were worship. Okay, fine That was a sin. Was it a sin for god to allow this angel of the lord to be worshiped if he's not god? So here's my point. So now You have to confess that jesus is lord if you do not you are not safe You and if and i'm doing so that is the one thing that's called and that's that's the one spirit of antichrist has identified That's the one spirit of antichrist that's identified Now jesus does a lot of the same thing matter of fact, let's I pull this up before I want to go ahead and show you I want to talk about they're the same name and the same function. Let's put it on the screen. Let's move quickly That god is the creator of everything but so too is jesus according to uh john one and colossians one and genesis one god is Then god is called the first and last but so too is jesus Who's the alpha and the omega? According to revelation one god is but according to revelation 21 jesus is Who's the lord? Well according to x is 20 god is according to ax 236 jesus is who's the i am according to According to x is three obviously god is according to john eight jesus is who is the savior? I'd love for someone to tell me who is the savior well according to isaac 43 11 God is the savior but luke 211 and all throughout the scriptures. We find out that jesus is the savior How can that be is that some sort of representative agency? No, it's not also they not only Um have the same titles the same names, but they also have the same function again Who created everything both god and jesus who forgives sins mark 21 says that god and jesus I'm sorry mark two one through 11 Who receives worship god and jesus according to exodus and matthew? Who is saving again jesus and god and who raised jesus madame? Act 224 says that god did so and then john 2 19 and 10 18 says that jesus does so So we see them having the same function and also using the same titles and same name And then the bible says that unless you believe that he is the i am you cannot be safe Did you hear what I said according to john 8 24 unless you believe that i'm the i am You will die in your sins according to john 8 24 now I said that I want to cover something uh that we see in grammar Let me put this on the screen something that we see in grammar Now the bible of the new testament is is written in greek And there are grammatical rules that need to follow Let me pull this up There is what's called um where's it it's called Grandville sharps rule let me make this bigger for you guys to see You make this this bigger so you guys can see Let me explain the rule this way and then let me also turn around explain the rule how a better way to understand in english When the cooperative chi By the way that word chi is the greek word for and So when the cooperative chi we put back on the screen cooperative chi connects two nouns of the same case Uh vis-a-vis the nouns either substantive or adjectives or participles of personal descriptions I know this is kind of boring right here Respecting office dignity affinity or connection and attributes properties or quality good or ill If the article ha or any of its cases proceeds the first of the said nouns of participles And is not repeated before the second noun or participle The latter always relates to the same person that is expressed by the describing By the first noun or participle i.e. it denotes a farther Description of the first name person What in the world did you just say cord don't nobody understand that stuff? And you and you're right Let me give you guys an example here's here's what it says Um, if i've got two nouns Of the same case and they're separated by a chi that's just i'm i'm being really really basic I'm not giving the full A view of this rule because we'll be here forever But if we go to titus 213 let's put this on the screen if we go to titus 213. Here's a good example in titus 213 it says Waiting for our blessed hope the appearing of the glory of our great god and savior jesus christ Now the rule states that this uh the savior And god they are both in Uh, let's see. I'm sorry. Where's it at? Where's it? I just missed my place Okay They are both in the genitive And so the both of those the case they're in the same case And they're separated by this cooperative chi. Where's the chi? There's the chi, um, where am I? Oh, there it is right here the word chi, which is the word in greek and What that means is by rule That god And savior Describes what jesus christ is. Let me give you an example that is not controversial Over here in second peter 11 it says simon peter a servant and Apostle of jesus christ. So here's the question was simon a servant of jesus christ Yes, was he a apostle of jesus christ? Yes So he's both is exact same rules there. This is not a controversial example But it's it's following the exact same example just in a less controversial form But then so we go back and apply that same rule that we apply in second peter We apply the titus 2 3. So when it says our great god and savior jesus christ, it's not two different people He's not referring to our great god And our great savior jesus christ. No the rules the rule states The rule states that he that jesus is our great god and savior according to that rule Okay, and so I want I wanted to make sure that I said now someone's gonna say wait a second It isn't just that god just kind of just manifests because this is also going to come up that jesus Manifested himself and that comes up often No, is it there? Oh, I'm sorry. It is there So let's pull this past. Let's look at the past. It says great is The mystery great indeed Indeed we confess is the mystery of godliness He that's being jesus was manifested in the flesh Bendicated by the spirit seen by angels now the issue that gives people some pause Is this word manifested? This word all it means is just to be made known So jesus was made known in the flesh. That makes sense. So I mean he's a man, right? Well, no, it only makes sense if you want to say that he's god that was made known in the flesh And we see because the issue is Not can god Be made known in flesh not can god wrap himself in flesh The question is would he And did he well we see examples that he did And so the answer the question of did he and would he we see that in the old testament And so now we also see it in the new testament as well And so In the beginning was the word the word was with god and the word was god And then it goes on to say that he god or the word became flesh And dwelt among us and we beheld him as the only we got another father now the word begotten Let's go to We don't want to go. Let's go to john one. Let's go to john one Let me answer this question. This is a hard question. It's not a hard question But there's really no Answer to it. There's no way to know he says j jl channel says quarry. When did jesus realize who he was? We don't know Now before he was incarnate. He knew exactly who he was now if you're talking about in his in his life In his incarnated state Did he know that he was god? Do you know who he was at age one? That's a hard question though It's kind of like saying i wonder what kind of baby was jesus What kind of what kind of kid was he around the rest of the other children? It's a hard question. Who knows who knows was it did jesus ever have to get put in time out So don't know there's there's no way to really answer that question. There's there just isn't But i'll say this he knew soon We know he knew soon. He knew soon because we see him at age 12 dipping out Taking care of some business taking care of us as his father's business Minister, uh, there you are. You disappeared for a while when i was answering the questions I think what you I think what you did was you decided let me figure out how to answer or respond to these questions Was jesus christ also in the bush? Yes, he was you know how you know I say that because who was in the bush the angel the lord the lord god Who is the lord if you don't think that jesus god, that's fine. That's fine I'm going to show you in a second though, but if you don't believe that jesus is god Do you believe that jesus is the lord? It's my question minister striker striker. Do you believe that jesus is the lord? If you don't you're not a christian If you do not believe that jesus is the lord then you're not a christian You cannot be it's impossible to to be a christian and not believe that jesus is the lord And we've already been told that the lord is god It doesn't get any easier than this I think what happens though is people get bogged down to the fact that wait a second when he was on earth And I get it. I struggled with this at first to when he was on earth When he was on earth He made statements like wait a second. How is this how could this pop would be a god? If you're asking are you saying I don't know on the father no or he who sent me or terms like the son of god the son of man, well Jesus took on a veiled form. We're already told that he's made in a form lower than angels Now this person I want to deal with real quickly because this person's always there Tell me how I'm inconsistent with with hermeneutics, please because I'd love to be taught as a matter of fact If you want to come on and show me told you friday guys If you would like to come on and say hey, kory your hermeneutics is is off Um, I will gladly send you rightly dividing the word I will gladly send you the link so that you can come on before all the people say hey kory you're wrong Here's why you're wrong I understand you might not want to come on and say because I get it you might not want to come on camera But could you please type in the description somewhere in the chats where my hermeneutics is off? I would love to know that I because I I don't want to walk around wrong. I'd like to walk around right And if i'm wrong now, I like to fix that and if you can help me do that with an amen Amen, I got time. Yeah, uh Got time today Wives gonna be home a little bit later and then I all I have to do I got some I got some laundry to do so Michael LeMay, thank you, brother. I appreciate that so You do what you want to come on Send me an email smart christen channel at gmail Smart christen channel at gmail. I'll go ahead and uh, you're driving. Okay So let me ask you a question. If you weren't driving, would you come on? If you weren't driving with you because I'll tell you what I'll do um I love from time to time The people who have who constantly say core you're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong I don't do this much lately because you can get in trouble that way But I don't mind bringing you on And I'd love to okay fine. Let's so if if I could make time later If I could make time for you later Would you want to do it? Uncle Jay says I'll come on. Yeah, if you answer a couple questions uncle Jay All right, so send me an email. Uh, tell me when you've got some time We'll cover everything that you ever said I was wrong about Because I could be wrong I I want I want listen to be smart to us all of us as smart christians or wanting to be smart christians We want to make sure because it's a dumb thing to be If you don't want to face or figure out where you might be wrong So but uncle Jay, I'll let you come on I will let you come on if you do two if you do a couple things answer my questions Who was in the burning bush? That's the first question if you answer that question, then we'll go to the next question and we'll see about bringing you on Because I won't do the whole song and dance and go around and around so now Here's another question that you guys are going to have to ask if you disagree Jesus comes in this veiled form. We know so because he says have this mind in you That's also in christ Jesus who being in the form of god and you can't be in the form of god If you're not god who in the form of god, um Empty himself of what? Of what? There's the issue. I say of some glory Now to what degree how does it work? Don't know. We don't know the mechanisms all hide this stuff work together But we know that he said he comes in a form lower than angels We know that part right now He comes in this form lower than angel but doesn't mean that he wasn't that he hadn't existed before He comes in a form lower than angel for a reason For a reason he's got no, I don't want to hear that you got time. I got time to answer my question, sir He comes in a the reason why is because he is coming to make a sacrifice To save some people remember Deuteronomy 16 11 i mean 16 and then also deuteronomy 17 when god said that he himself Will supply the blood wait a second god. How are you supplying blood? How are you supplying blood? Okay? He says the angel of the lord is in the is in the was in the tree I mean in the bush was god in the tree in the bush And next question was the lord in the bush So was angel the lord in the bush was god in the bush And was the lord in the bush Who was in the bush? Inquiring inquiry minds want to know. Thank you Jonathan. I appreciate that so This is alone for the Marcus Rogers college Hey, man. Hey, man I think I would actually sign up and then then some kind of way my after paying the application fee my application might get lost I just kind of I have that strange suspicion so now Jesus who veils himself to come in this form to die for us because god says that he will supply the blood That's literally what it says in um Deuteronomy seven i mean leviticus 17 11 Yeah, so you see that that's why I can't bring you on because you want to answer questions If you're not going to ask questions there, and I'm not going to have you on here to force a dance round. So um Deuteronomy, let's put it on the screen because I want you guys to see what I'm talking about. I want you guys to think Okay, Cory's just just saying so let me let me make let me make sure you see what I'm talking about leviticus 17 11 You are I've done this. I don't know a billion times. I've covered this part. So let's put this on the screen he says For the life of the flesh is in the blood and I have given to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls For it is the blood that makes atonement by the life now the issue is going to be this part right here I have given I've covered this before matter of fact you guys in the chats could probably explain it the same way that The Hebrew word for I have given is not tateen And so we and I have it highlighted not tateen means I have given In Hebrew agree you don't have to have the pronoun um You don't have to have the verb to be like I have And then given then in the verse the verb with the right tense You can put it all together in one word and so that's what you have here with not tateen meaning I have given Are you with me? Then we're going to see something that's pretty odd pretty not pretty. I'm actually pretty spectacular pretty spectacular Let me see I have my I need to work on my eyes I need to work on my eyes Y'all lay your hands on the screen and then um, let's ask the lord to heal my eyes I'm sorry cast out a bad eye demon. Um Christian, thank you sweetheart. I appreciate the super chat So I have given Is sufficient for this that's all you need not tateen And then god conveys everything that he wants to say Unless he wants to say more and he does here. We have not tateen I have given But what's in front of that is I need why I need why I need not the team Which is and I I have given that that doesn't make any sense. Why would you say and I I have given Here's why you would say I I have given to emphasize who's actually given not sending somebody else to give I'm not going to borrow the blood from somebody else. I'm giving my blood, but you don't have blood god Oh, yes, I do or yes, I will why do we say that because a body according to Hebrews 10 you have Sacrifices and offers you didn't desire but a body you have prepared for me There we go. And so why would I say that that's god? Well, because he also says so and let's get to it John 1 let's go. I feel like moving. I feel like moving and john 1 1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god Unless you're joe's witness, it should be pretty clear the word was god The word was god and again according to the greek even the english I think is crystal clear crystal crystal clear like tiffy's crystal clear crystal clear In the beginning was the word the word was with god now I want you all to be theorized if you haven't seen me cover this before If you notice this part in a arc in arc a and halagos which is in the greek It says in the beginning was the word Notice the word order I want you guys to focus if you haven't seen me do this notice the word order in And if you just follow on the right hand side, I'll just I'll just Say it and it's in arc a beginning and was halagos in the beginning was the word Kai halagos and pros which was and the word And pros tan fail and the word was god Notice in the greek is the exact same word or that we're seeing in the english Then we have The last parts portion of it says Kai fail us and halagos now we've got a problem Not really but it might look like it and fail us what they asked his word Was halagos and word and god was the word now And why does he have and god was the word on the greek side? But your english bibles are written and the word was god. Why that that doesn't make any sense Why is it is it switched like that? The reason why I switched like that Is because god is trying to give some sort of emphasis or something Which is why people who don't believe in the trinity want to go to every other check of every other verse That we'll cover but not this one Word for the truth. Thank you so much for the super chat. Thank you Here's why first of all we've got to figure out in english y'all remember Y'all remember I hate I hated this I hated this my daddy said boy, how come you gotta see in english you speak english Yeah, daddy. I don't pay because I'm not trying to major it. I I wasn't doing very well in a real christian music channel and exhortation. Thank you so much I appreciate that he says how come you didn't you should begin to a in english you speak english boy And I got smart one time. I said well because I learned my english from you daddy I didn't say that loud Because I didn't want to get hit. I just said it underneath my breath. You taught me english Will a I think I thank you so much. Oh, okay. Will a is is uh casting that that I demon out. I Okay, I don't my eyes don't feel you know what no it ain't working will I still look I still can't see wow I wow my eyes are worse than I thought All I saw was just some colors. I can't I can't I can't uh, I can't see worth anything anyway But in english they have these things called uh nominative predicate nominatives Subjects the things that are Substantives, uh, we've got to figure out what these because we got two nouns. That's the problem We have two nouns here. Uh, and so we've got to figure this out We've got a maybe a thank you my friend We've got to figure out of these nouns. Which of the nouns is the subject And which now is in this case a predicate nominative now You can have multiple nouns in a sentence. You can have like I threw the ball to sky So I threw the ball Scott I ball and scott. They're all nouns. The one is the subject one is direct object one is the indirect object Right, but then I can also have a noun to function as what's called a uh predicate nominative And and in this case in the greek the predicate nominative is going to describe what the noun is So in this case, we've got two nouns. Let's put it back on the screen. I want you guys to see this In this case, we've got two nouns. We have the word is one now and then Put on the screen. Make sure I get on the screen and then god The question is which one of these nouns is the subject and which is the predicate nominative because it's very important The the noun according to to greek grammar Is the first of the nouns I mean the subject is the subject is the first of the nouns. So in this case In arc a analog as well in this case, it is the word. So the word is the subject Which makes sense. We even said in english in the beginning was the word And the word was god and so thank you. Thank you, brother greek. I appreciate that And so in this case the word is the noun Well, this I mean is the subject. Well the next noun we see The only option left is that is the predicate nominative. What this is called a preverbal predicate nominative Preverbal unorthodox predicate nominative without going into that what it does is this word faeus Describes what the predicate nominative describes what the subject is the predicate nominative is god The subject is word. So the predicate nominative god describes what the word is that is god. So in other words to make it simple God is described as what the word is the word is god That's the category of the class that the word belongs to Are you with me? So according to the grammar and you ask anyone who who understands greek or greek grammarian, they don't even have to be a christian Does this bold will in stating that the word is god as we know that jesus is the word Then this makes sense now Someone may come back and say like jahovah. Let me just go ahead and cover this for any jahovah witnesses that might be in the room I doubt it I think I think that if you're a jahovah's witness in the room I don't think that you can be around Sound doctrine to stay one very long. I really think that after a while and this is why by the way I think a lot of jahovah's witnesses end up leaving There are a lot of people who are actual born-again believers show enough as we say show enough christians They don't say it in the south they realize they don't say it up north. That's where I get it from even though I'm from the north show enough christians who might have found themselves In the jahovah's witness kingdom hall or at some Mormon temple or what have you Um, but because they didn't understand the doctrine and they really genuinely place their faith in christ The holy spirit is going to work in them And they'll start seeing stuff. Wait a second. This this is why people even leave um charismatic movements Cultist movements because they see the word of god illuminated Well, this my heart and head something ain't happening My heart wants to believe you pastor when you say that we supposed to do this This is this but the bible my head is saying differently and I got to I love you, but I love him more So I've got to go to that I was wondering when somebody was gonna say this. Thank you. Nick. Anyway for sushi says christian milk is bad for your eyes. Listen Good cow milk. That's the kind of milk that the heavenly flow of milk and honey Cow milk Maybe goat milk. Okay fine. I came from four-legged adam Oat milk. No, by the way, my daughter gave me some oat milk in the coffee. She tricked me. She tricked me She gave me some oat milk in my coffee Yeah, I gotta admit it I didn't even know But once I found out that it was oat milk. I couldn't drink. I'd spit it out Shouldn't have told me shouldn't have told me. Anyway So in this case, uh, the word is God according to the grammar. Thank you again. Tyre. I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys The word is god now. I said I asked a question. Why though? is faeus right here uh pushed in front of word Here's why because it adds emphasis To it even more so of what the word is And as the bible says that as we read down further In him was life and the life was the light of men the light shines in darkness and the darkness has not overcome. Look what he says Uh, let's say let's drop down verse nine the true light which gives light to everyone was coming into the world He was in the world and the world was made through wait a second. Wait a second. He was coming in the world That seems like he was born, but he's coming into the world. But it also tells us that he made the world That's that uncle jade. That's literally what it says why you're over in other passages instead of right here He was in the world and the world was made through him yet the world did not know him He came to his own and his own people did not receive him But to all who did receive him who believed in his name He gave the right to become children of god who were born not of Blood nor of the will of flesh nor of the will of man, but of god And look what it says verse 14. Here we go And the word dwelt among us became i'm sorry the word became flesh Well, he also became flesh before But not not in this sense Became flesh and dwelt. I'm sorry not not flesh. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did when he was wrestling with jacob That was flesh as jacob was at flesh Dwelt among us and look what it says and we beheld his glory Glory as of the only from the father full of grace Now This is god's glory Lord from the father, we know it is because what does Jesus pray when he's when he's getting ready to leave He says father give me back the glory that I had so Jesus was not just I'm forcing you the lord god says i'm forcing you to come and die for these people. No He says no one takes my life I lay down on my own Now in the sense while he's on earth He's in a veiled form and he has listened to this guys. He has voluntarily submitted himself to the father He has volunteered not he was not forced to He voluntarily and then when it was done when the task was finished he Asked for prayed for give me back the glory that same glory that the bible says god will not share with anyone Jesus says give it back to me I had that glory with you. How could that be? What doesn't make sense? Some people say well that he can be he can exist exist as god the father god the son god the holy spirit But and this is why in christ uh christian. This is why i love him too. This is why i love him too Because in islam you got to go die for god In other religions you got to do all these different things. These are machinations. You got to bend over this way in that way but no God sees your foul god sees your mess up and says you know what? I love you know i'm still come die for you How how can you not love a god like that? How can you not love a god like that? Who would say you know what? The issue is uh, and this is what i want to show you not me but god I want to show you how much i love that i will come and die Well, how will i come and die if i take on flesh and take on the feelings it and be able to identify and to agree with you And to be able to sympathize with you because i can be tempted i can be hungry I can feel alone i can feel ostracized and hated i can get be i can feel those things now I don't feel the same thing like someone let's say less than after after a woman I don't feel that or someone who has um been craving drugs No, not that but i can identify with you what it's like to be a human being and to suffer I can identify with you and in doing so i will be i'll be tortured for you And then die not in the sense that that i will cease to exist He did not die in it. It's not that he ceased to exist But his physical life was taken He laid a dam as he says And then took it back up And then he took it back up That's the beauty. That's that's the cool part about being a christian. He does all the heavy lifting He did all the heavy lifting and uncle j. He's still on on this whole angel. We didn't we didn't write angel in the book God did He's the one that called god is the one that called Himself the angel the lord and called that angel the lord god He's the one that did that take it up with him j. Don't take it up with us You may you have made up your mind that you ain't gonna get it You've made up your mind that you're going to be stubborn in your age and that's going to be that well. Amen. Amen Amen, maybe maybe you'll need what isaac isaac south of art and the other guys you'll need an angel Or or someone to come visit you you'll need god to come visit you the lord told me And maybe what we'll see a video where you say hey the lord told me that uh, Jesus is god Maybe you'll see that well all the evidence points to it All the evidence points to it. And so guys, uh, I hope that this is helped. I know it's not going to Do it off everyone because that's just how it is that is just how it is Now I I did say I was gonna take a few questions. Let me go and see some of the questions That I'm more okay. I'm not understanding what I'm not understanding what you say you say This is a Hebrews I also talk about god before it's jesus and separate him from the angel in agor I'm not sure. I'm not sure how to how to read that Rewrite that if you could for me, please. It's probably just me not misunderstanding. Okay. Now this issue of first John 5 7 We cover this before first john 5 7 and I played I I played a clip from Daniel was he's one of the foremost authorities on textual criticism on the planet You're going to be hard pressed to find a textual critic These are the guys that actually take the manuscripts that and if you ever seen an actual greek manuscript or a hebra manuscript or codex or paparite They're not easy to read sometimes And so they take those they make them available for other people to go and look at them And they'll tell you the story behind first john 5 7 first john 5 7 was was a passage where it crept in the king james version because people wanted It was in a later manuscript There's only a few manuscripts that have first john and those extra portions of verses 5 7 and 8 That that speak of this trinity and so forth and because people love that But we don't need that to uh to speak of the truth of the trinity. I never I never cover it Because it's understood that it was added as a matter of fact the scribe named roi who dropped off a manuscript a greek manuscript containing that Is the one who who caused Erasmus because Erasmus like well, I can't find it I don't see this this this portion of the text in any greek manuscripts And so it was this scribe named roi who who drops it off kind of kind of conveniently kind of suspiciously Well, okay. Well, fine. And now Erasmus was under pressure to add this beloved text Even though there are no early manuscripts with it as a matter of fact, there's only four manuals I think it's I think it's four Late manuscripts all of the all of these manuscripts that's that have this portion of first john 5 7 and 8 that we talk about All of them are from the 12th century on All the ones that are a thousand years prior And then in between they don't contain it And so we we are more insured that it is it's not it's not a part of the original text And it need to be we don't have to actually have that to prove God's triune existence Okay, gesundheit says and I thank you for for listening gesundheit says if jesus is the only mediator between god and man Who is the third person? How can a second spirit? Also be the mediator jesus is not the father the father is not the son therefore. Okay. I think I understand what you're asking This is how this works and they they function Um for the overall glory their function contributes to the overall glorification of god how so god the father By the way, if we look in Ephesians one, we see all three of them kind of in use but Um God the son someone has got to come die somebody Hey somebody's taking on flesh God the son his role his function is kind of dealing with us We see him the pre-incarnate christ In the old testament we see him Taking on flesh through the incarnation through mary We see that And then the bible says that uh, he will exist from now on in that in that form the same christ We see he's coming back that same way And so we will we will behold him in that in that same manner But the spirit his function is different now and that by the way, and I don't have time to cover it Because I don't even know if I have an answer no one does actually Uh, what will be the role of the holy spirit in eternity? Don't know do not know what we know this that all power and all authority was given to god I mean given to jesus. Well, how could that be if god has all power and authority simple God and the father are one and not like one. Hey, we're on the same team. No, not like that They are one they've always been which is why I said let us make man in our image So Okay, so I was driving I was driving what I meant to say it doesn't say the book of Hebrews God glorifying jesus in the beginning of the chapter separating him from the angels and distinguishing him from uh, as god Okay, I said, okay. Amen. Amen. Amen And but remember all of those with cliff Who by the way, I love I love with cliff And love tendale. These are these are still later manuscripts So I'm gonna answer. I'm gonna go ahead and answer a few. I think that's that's a that's a kicker too, steven He says, um Before Abraham was I am And I know the non-trinitarians the unitarians. They don't like it Well, neither did the jews The difference is though the jews knew exactly what he was saying Which is why the jews wanted to pick up something kill them. What did jesus say in john ten? Which of these good works you want to kill me for you want to throw me for it? They said well, none of the good works. We don't care about the good works forget that Even though they didn't like his good works They wanted to stone him because you a man call yourself god and I think about think about that for a second All of you who might want to deny the trinity That jesus would call himself god So john, thank you again, my friend Um But jesus will call himself god they they took it as jesus calling himself god We know that because they wanted to kill him. You a man call yourself god They understood it They understood the terminology because the problem is sometimes there's something lost in translation And so when they speak in these when they speak idiomatically in these idioms, we don't quite get them Right And they but they knew that when jesus when jesus calls himself son of god what he say he's calling himself god We think that oh wait a second. He's called himself son of god. Well, we know he didn't have a that god didn't have a child um He is son of god means literally a court in the in that culture that he is god That's all it is And we know so not you don't you don't have to take my word for it All you got to do is take the jews word for it They hated him and that's what they thought and jesus did not correct him every time someone Alluded to or called him god Jesus who always correct sin never corrects that How sinful would it be to call someone god who's not god? jesus didn't correct that so Um, he says i only talk bible out world. We've only talked bible so far tonight. Uh, my friend That's all we've talked about that cover every pastor. I want to cover There are more pastors opposite to cover But without making this a five hour long video And so it may maybe the issue is for some people for some people um For some people i would say thomas if you say that jesus is literally of god If you're trying to differentiate between jesus is literally of god versus jesus is is god Um, then you've got a bunch of greek grammarians Um, who would disagree the word son of god Literally means god It does and again, you don't have to take my word for you could say well, chorea I don't I think you're wrong Well, the the jews thought the same the jews who spoke the same language as jesus thought the same thing so Yeah, you're right. Jesus never said it was god if that's how you want to take it god did god called him god Good enough for god good enough for me Amen, so Um, but I think for some people though the issue is rather than rather than um, if if saying the trinity is a problem But you still believe that jesus is god and you still believe the holy spirit is god well then amen Amen, if if if that's if you're only hang up is a term Then fine Now if you're hang up again if your hang up is the terminology Then stop saying old testament stop saying new testament stop saying church So I'm saying god is i'm the present i'm mission Those are not those the terms are not in the bible So it can't be your issue should be the term Don't let that be it What? Oh, okay. Okay. I thought I saw something different. I'm sorry Okay, um, okay, we covered dude around me six four. We covered first john five seven eight Here's a good question Here's a good this first of all this is an awesome question Cameron Lamar says do you think we will have hair with our glorified bodies? I don't think I want it. Yeah, I don't I don't I don't think I need hair in heaven I want the I want the cool breeze to blow through my scalp I want to go to heaven arrow arrow dynamically. Yeah, the rest of you the rest of you lesser christians you all need hair I'm playing I don't know the question is when we get our glorified bodies Well, you know when we get a new body Would it be the our 21 year old body the body the body that we were in the best shape? Or is it going to be like our 50 year old 40 year old body? I don't want that body Yeah, okay lord. It's a glorified body, but but can can it be in shape? so anyway, um If the fullness of deity dwells in him why didn't he not well remember at the moment In his incarnation it did not the fullness of deity did not dwell in him That statement is when after the fact after his death bear a resurrection and then subsequent ascension That's when all authority and the fullness of deity is in him now The deity that he asked that he's referring to in john 17 5 remember Don't let don't let it be a hang up to how jesus was During his earthly ministry He naturally must have been in a veil for me had to be in order to interact with us Okay, let's see more questions Answer a few more questions. I'm gonna try to be quick about these When you say what is meant by the word god? I have no idea. What do you mean the word god? Now if you mean kind of like the way that uh, just the the generic term for let's say Elohim That can be stretched depending on how how it's used Where it could mean a ruler or judge Or it can be definite Where it means the ruler which would be the god In greek theos is just god Okay, uh, let's see If that helps Let me do this Oh, I cover that I cover that before okay Do I see men as trees when I do like this I do that I see them like all kind of stuff Yeah Anyway All right, let's see. I'm pretty sure I miss some other stuff. Well god is a title um The only problem is you we Yahweh might be his name. We just can't prove it. We don't know it for sure because again The Hebrews did not have Hebrews did not have a uh any valve markers. We don't know how how it was pronounced We we simply don't we simply don't so But I don't have a problem with someone saying Yahweh or god or lord I have no problem with that. I have a problem with someone Mandating that everyone else has to say it that way because unless you unless you are very fluent and thorough with um biblical Hebrew Then stop unless you are very thorough with Um cornei greek then stop because what happens is sometimes is we try to one up somebody. I'm not saying you But people try to one up other people because they don't say Uh, uh Yahweh or they don't say the Hebrew names or what about what about the greek names? What about the greek names because remember These are people that were taken into captivity By their captors and they began speaking the language of their captors that lingua franca in the day was greek Which is why we don't find Which is why we don't find manuscripts in hebrew from from that century Uh, even even uh, the Aramaic tarrooms of the bachettas. Um, we don't Uh, the bachetta is what the fourth century So we've got 300 years until we even get the Aramaic version. And so Um, don't don't try to one. I'm just saying it's anyone Don't try to one up somebody on Using hebrew or greek and don't try to let someone one up you Because you don't if you if you want to call their names the english names then by all means you want to call Jesus jesus call them g i call them jesus If you want to call someone if If you want to call james james If you want to call john john those are the english names and so Um, but if and if you want to call me ashua, that's fine. If you want to call me asus if you want to call them, um, Jehovah if you want to call me Yahweh, amen but again What you better do is make sure you call them and you better make sure that when he calls you you can hear That's the more important thing. Amen. So guys, I want to thank you. This has been fun. This has been great Um, I like this. I like this It's not it's not I told you guys I'll be moving more and more and more and more and more um, uh Wait a second. I I have to ask I have to ask fully fed ministry um Fully fed is this is this a something having to do with uh Federal prison i'm just asking because you know me when I hear fed I don't know why I do that. Why don't I do that 13 years of hanging out with them 13 years of being babysat by the feds makes you think in terms of in terms of that By the way, I was going to share this with you guys Do you know one of the worst things that being in prison has done to me? This is this is really silly. It's not a big deal, but it's just funny. Do you know what being in prison has done to me? When I eat and everyone else has forks, do you know, I I prefer to eat with a spoon? Yeah, you know why? Because we typically eat with spoons or sporks And so having a spoon for the we always carried our spoon with us Uh, some places didn't want to have forks. And so I eat with a spoon. I eat my salad. It looks weird Take me to the restaurant with you. We order salad. I meet my salad with a spoon So it's just it's just weird, but Um, did he did he answer I want to see the answer I want to see the answer. I want to see if he answered. He didn't answer. Okay So even state. Well, I had state. I don't get I can't push this, but it's things moving too fast I had steak the other day And what I did was I had a knife and a fork and cut it up And so I have a knife and a fork and the spoon right beside it. And so after I cut it up I'm eating with my uh spoon Actually, I was eating both with the spoon and the fork So weird prison mess prison messed me up They would do those those just dumb stuff to us Uh get the bow mind and and and so we asked them what we have for for breakfast over at chow We have cereal What do you think they gave us to eat the cereal with forks little mind games are just giving us forks to eat cereal Yeah, buddy, it will mess with you if you let it it will mess with you if you let it so No, I don't make prison food although although listen to things that you want to have in make do Make something. I'll let you guys go in a little bit But two if you find somebody that's been in prison two things you want them to make Prison nacho the best nacho the best nacho second thing is fried rice get some rice And they would put this the oil on it and put in the microwave stir it up. Oh, it is so good Yeah, it's delicious. It is He rebuked that spoon demon. It is so delicious prison rice fried rice from prison And prison nachos the best nachos I've ever had So has nothing to do with the trinity absolutely nothing to do with the trinity So anyway, if you don't want to use the word trinity, but you're you're fully satisfied in saying Um that jesus is god a man if you're fully satisfied in saying that the holy spirit has got a man Jesus is god. He is the lord and the lord is god And you must confess that jesus Is lord and then you'll be safe Otherwise you can't be amen. All right, you guys take care and I will see you hopefully tomorrow