 Hello, hello, hello, welcome, Bruce and Ed. Welcome, happy to see you here. I'm Bruce. And I'm Ed. And we are live in New York. How are you? Let's see, we're broadcasting live, we broadcast live on Ustream. We live at BreadTV.com, that's B-R-E-D-T-V.com and you can always go there and if you happen to be awake around at 10 a.m. New York time, 7 a.m. LA time, just go to BreadTV.com and there's a link that shows you what time that is in your city. And there's a link also right below that, or above that, that says watch live. So you can watch live and join us. We broadcast live on Ustream. But if you go to B-R-E-D-T-V.com, there's a link that says watch live and that'll take you straight to the right place on Ustream, otherwise you're going to be searching around. So we are live, okay. Just wanted to make sure we're broadcasting, wait a minute. Today's episode is sponsored by Arvix, web hosting and Dropbox and also Mountain Rose Herbs. So if you want to watch us live, you can also chat with us live like he was just saying during the show or even call in on Skype and just follow the instructions on the webpage at BreadTV.com to find out. And we just got a new way to get ahold of us as well, which is a new phone number and the number is 646-770-B-R-E-D. So that's just another way of many. So if you want to, is that what you just said, that if you want to chat with us live, just go to BreadTV.com and click the watch live. And if you watch live, obviously the chat room's there. When you come up on the Ustream page, there's a section on the right half that says social stream, I don't know why it's on default social stream, but you click on the chat button and it'll take you into a chat room. And that's a great way to talk to us. Oh, there's an ad for Metro PCS, how interesting on the Ustream page. We talk about them a lot. Anyway, we'll glance into the chat room all the way during every episode and we'll be able to read what you're saying, what you're giving us, your feedback, your comments, questions or whatever. Normally we're going to have a guest often right here on Skype behind us, on the big screen behind us. So it's going to be a lot of fun. I wanted to, let's see, today's episode, by the way, is sponsored by Arvix Web Hosting. Let me bring that up and I'll show you what they look like. Hold on, hold on, hold on. There, okay, Arvix Web Hosting, it's A-R-V-I-X-E Web Hosting and Dropbox and Mountain Rose Herbs. We'll tell you more about those later. I already said that, but you can say it again. All right, cool. I wasn't listening. Anyway, I wanted to start off today's show by talking about, I received a couple emails about the production quality of this show and I wanted to address that. The comments about, you know, the lighting and when you're reading something it looks like you're reading and things like that. I wanted to explain that this show, this is not my main talk show. This is our, we call it a coffee chat, reality show. It's raw, unscripted, unedited, unrehearsed and all that. It really is a reality show. It's like having coffee with Bruce and Ed in the morning. So you never know what we're going to say. You never know what subjects are going to come up, what we're going to talk about and we try to improve the lighting. We actually tried taping in the evening. It works a lot better when it's during the day, when you've got the daylight coming in and we've situated the lighting. So hopefully that's better. We've tried to improve the audio because now we have a studio condenser mic and if we put our mouth close enough to it, it actually sounds pretty good. I think you'll agree. Yes. But, you know, when we're reading something, it's going to look like we're reading something because we're not trying to pretend like we're not reading something. We're not going to use a fancy teleprompter. We're not going to do fancy video editing or anything because this is a live reality show and it's Monday through Friday every single day, five a week. So there's really not time to do the video editing and all that. And it's not necessary. I think it's kind of fun that it is reality. It's just totally, you know, casual script or anything to follow. And if we get, you know, caught up on a tangent and it's OK. It's not rehearsed. It's not, like I said, not edited and all that. But what is interesting that a lot of people don't know at some point we're going to talk about we're probably going to do some how to series about how to create your own show. If you wanted to create a talk show and whatever topic you're interested in or you may be an expert on or whatever. But most people would be shocked at how much work it is. It really is a lot of work, even if you just do a bare bones, you know, just the essential elements of a video net cast. If you're, you know, without the CBS camera crews to help us, it's just, you know, a microphone and some PCs and a camera. And it sounds really simple. But once you start adding everything, I mean, anybody can record an audio podcast is super simple. Anybody can take one of these flip cameras or even your new phones and take a video and upload it to YouTube. That's very simple. But when you start adding in, you know, Skype guests with the audio, you're streaming it live, you're doing it five days a week and you're making it available as a video podcast on iTunes and audio podcast on iTunes and on YouTube in full length. It becomes a real project, even without any editing or any, you know, I mean, our preparation consists of for the show itself consists of just listing ideas of things to talk about and lining up guests. But the so that's real, real simple and basic. But the actual studio here. I mean, as soon as Ed vacuums, I mean, everything gets discombobulated and it takes a lot. If you could see this, one of these days, we'll take the camera around and show you this setup in our Manhattan apartment of what it looks like. All the wires and the cables and the monitors everywhere. I mean, it's not overkill. I mean, it's really pretty much everything is bare bones, but it's essential to what we're doing. And like professional broadcasters are going to say, you know, oh, my gosh, that is bare bones. You're just taking one audio input and putting it into Adobe Flash Media encoder and, you know, it's really, really bare bones essential. And we're only using one camera for the show itself. So it's even though it's that bare essential, it's a lot of and it's very involved to set it all up. So anyway, and that's just the pretty stuff. And then the post post stuff, post production, I guess, is another part of it. Which is not hard either. It's just time consuming. Right. And like I said, for this show, we're not doing any editing. We're not. I mean, most, most video shows and things, you know, people put it into a video editor and as people know, I mean, who have done this, you take 20 minutes of video might take, you know, eight, ten hours of video editing if you want to make it look really, really good. And some people who get into video blogging and things often a common mistake they make or not a mistake, but maybe a trap they fall into or whatever, maybe it's good or bad depends on how you look at it. But they are very, they're looking at the video of themselves and they're super hyper critical of themselves, which is very normal, you know, people look at themselves and go, oh my God, I can't believe I said, um, um, uh, uh, 40 times. So they, they get very concerned about how they look and how they sound, which is natural. Then they, so they take the video editor and they start snipping it down to just the little tiny snippets of sentences that sound good. And they cut out all the rest in between. And then they take, so they take an hour of video and cut it down to like four minutes. So then it's like, didada, didada, didada, didada. It's just like what they're saying, what they're saying, what they're saying. And it looks like, I don't know, weird, this robotic thing. You see a lot of that on YouTube and it's actually become like a style. But because people can edit things so much that they feel they look better, whatever. Well, um, the problem, there's really no problem with that. If you have the time, that's the thing. If you're going to do this Monday through Friday, five days or week, you know, you'd spend, it would be all the rest of the hours to do the video editing every single day. And I hate video editing because it's very time consuming. It's fun if you're going to work on a project that is, you know, going to be a big project that is like a film or something, some kind of documentary or something that's fun, then it's a major project. But if you're going to do something every day, I don't want to do any video editing. I don't even want to cut off the, I might want to cut off the beginning and the end. We'll talk about that later, but I don't want to do any editing because it takes so much time. You have to watch the thing over and over and over. And you have to, you know, you're also, when you bring it into a video editor and then you have to, what do they call it, rendering it again? You're re-encoding it. You're losing quality. And, you know, you have to really know what you're doing. And that's a whole like science in and of itself. But the main thing is the time that's involved, all the time and labor, which we don't have time for really, we would have no life. That would be all we did if we edit it every single day. Right. So we don't want to do that. So that's the point. That's why we only have one camera. We don't have like a three camera setup. We don't have camera men and all that. I mean, you know, that's not the point of this production. And when we're reading, it will look like we're reading because we are reading. We're not trying to hide it. Right. Except if you're listening only by audio, then you would never know. That's right. Well, you'll be able to tell anyway. You can tell because, you know, you can tell when someone's reading anyway. If Oprah's standing there looking at the camera and going on and on and on and on, she is reading it. She's reading on a teleprompter. I mean, it's, come on, it's obvious. But we're not trying to be a professional, highly produced show. This is just reality show fun. So yeah, totally fun, totally casual. You never know what we're going to say or who's going to pop up and ask what kind of questions. So as Ed mentioned, we have a brand new viewer call in number. So when we're, when you're watching live, you can actually call this number and be on the air and give us feedback and ask questions and stuff of us and our guests and or our guests. So that number is 646770 bread, which is spells out 6467702733. And there it is now. Somebody's calling it. So that's it. Do you want it? Let's see. Shall we answer it? It's an 866. Yeah. Let's see. Hello. Hello. Hello. Nope. Okay. I don't know what it was anyway. But that's the call in number. So we're going to have it set up. So there's a speaker phone and you'll be able to actually call in live when we're on the air. And when we're not on the air, if you're not watching live, it doesn't matter. You can call in and leave a feedback voicemail and just leave a recorded message. And then the next show will play your voicemail and discuss what you said or answer your questions or whatever that may be. So again, the number, it's on the website, bredtv.com. And it's the phone number 646770BRED. Right. All right. So the next thing I wanted to bring up is guest co-hosts. We're really excited to have people call us or arrange in advance to be sort of a guest co-host for the day. So when we bring up topics, Ed and I are discussing them with a guest co-host, which could be you. So if you're interested in just chatting with us via Skype, if all you have to have is Skype, you go to SKYPE, Skype.com, download Skype. If you don't have it and a webcam, that's all you need with a microphone, of course, and or headphones or something, but you need a webcam and Skype. And then you'll be up here. You're, you'll appear bigger than life and they'll hear you crystal clear and you'll look great. And then the three of us can chat. So three or if there's two of you, you know, four of us, whatever, but we were interested in guest co-hosts for the day. So if you're interested in doing that, give us an email at breadchat at gmail.com, b-r-e-d-c-h-a-t at gmail.com. Send us an email and let us know of your interest to do that and we'll talk about it and we'll perhaps schedule you to be on with us soon. So it's a lot of fun. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, for sure. With three people, for sure. Now, the next topic is Ed's new phone. We, you know, the other day we were talking about what smartphone to buy. Well, apparently Ed got influenced. He decided finally it's time to upgrade from his first generation iPhone. You want to show it to you? No, I already had made the decision. It's just, I wasn't sure which one or when I would get it, but I have to get a new phone at this point. I want to show them. This is, this is his, his iPhone. This is his first generation iPhone and as you can see, he's got a jury rig with a paper clip because the battery, you know, the battery is on these things. When the battery goes, the whole phone goes in the trash. Basically it's useless because you cannot change the battery in the sense that people say, oh, you can change the battery. Yeah, you can send it in and have the battery change or take it to the Apple store and have it changed, but it costs about the same price to have them put a new battery in it as it does to buy a brand new iPhone. It's like $99 and with a contract it's like $99 to buy a new iPhone, you know, the small memory size, whatever. So of course what they do is, this is a product called Mophie, which by the way is excellent. See there's a little button in the back and it's got four lights. It tells you how how charged it is and what it is, it's this little case slightly thicker than a normal case on the bottom. And what it is, it's actually a battery and I don't know if you can see that, but the connector is right in there and it slides in like a skin. The phone slides right into it and then it plugs in. Now this is, wait a minute, I have to unplug it because I've got all this stuff on it. But anyway, you see how the phone just slides right in and it's an extra battery pack and it works great. Yeah, like lately I can't go anywhere without that battery pack. Right, because now his internal battery is fried and now he's pretty much relying only on the Mophie. No, not completely, but yeah, I mean, it's just shuts down in the middle of an application that I'm using. It's just crazy. I can't stand it actually. So Mophie is M-O-P-H-I-E dot com. I'm assuming it's dot com. But anyway, just Google M-O-P-H-I-E. It's a great product. If you have an iPhone, you really can't do without it because if you use it at all over time, I mean for me, it was less than a year that the iPhone lasted because of the battery. For him, it's lasted a lot longer because he doesn't use it obsessively like I do. Right. But now, and now the cord apparently has a little... Yeah, I can't, when I put the cord in, I have to like bend it a certain way and I can't find anything that puts enough pressure in it to keep it on. So he's using a paperclip to keep it on. But anyway, all of that is going to be a thing of the past as of tomorrow. I know my little nine, eight year old nephew, last time I saw him, he's like, can I have your phone when you get a new phone? And I said yes to him, but now I'm like, man, I really don't want to give him that phone because it's such a pain. I just don't think it's a good idea. He's gonna have to keep it plugged in all the time and then hold the bottom connector to keep it charged. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Now, can a nine year old sign a contract with AT&T? No. Now, he'll just probably, obviously, if he gets it at all, he'll just use it as a little game toy, which is really what, in my opinion, that's what the iPhone is. Anyway, it's an expensive Game Boy with a really, really cheap phone built in. Yeah, that's why he wants it, because he wants to be able to play and download apps and have your passcode so he can charge it up on you. But tomorrow, Ed is getting the EVO, the HTC EVO. We went yesterday and went to Best Buy. And how many hours were we sitting there playing with the EVO? They had an actual display model. Really, it's really a couple hours to me. But we were playing with the display model. Let's see if they have a picture. Maybe I have to spell it right. HTC EVO. There we go. Well, I guess that's a good picture, as good as any. So anyway, the HTC EVO is amazing. It's an amazing phone. I have the Motorola Droid and I guess my abbreviated version of what that means is the HTC Incredible through Verizon kind of doubled all the specs. It's fantastic. It beat the Droid. Well, now HTC, the same manufacturer actually has LeapFrog themselves with this HTC EVO, which is kind of like doubled the specs again over the Incredible. And it's amazing. The HTC EVO is amazing. It's available on Sprint. And, you know, don't get everybody so attached to their carrier. Don't worry about that. As long as it's one of the big four, it's going to be fine. It's going to work. And this particular one, they're calling it 4G because it's the first Android phone I think that's using Ymax. They call 4G. So they're expanding the network. They're building it out. And many cities have 4G. And if you have it, it works great. But it doesn't matter. If it doesn't have it, you're still using it at 3G. It's the same as all the other phones. So worst case scenario, it's as fast as all the other phones. Now, we're here in Manhattan and we tried it at the Best Buy Store and it was really, really fast. And the processor is so fast that it makes your internet speed seem faster. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, the processor is so fast that there's just no delay. And I think that you start to realize that it's not just the internet speed that's keep, that pokes along with these phones. The processor is half of it. So because this processor is so lightning fast, the internet seems really, really fast. One gigahertz. Yeah, Snapdragon. But the thing is that this is the first version of Android that has, they call it Froyo. That's the new version. And it has what they call a MiFi built in. MiFi makes your, if you can imagine, your phone is an internet device. Imagine if there was a wireless Wi-Fi router built in and that's what MiFi is. So you just turn this on, which we did, we just go to settings, go to the, they call it sprint hotspot or something, make it into a hot spot, you turn on the setting and boom, it's a router. It's a Wi-Fi router. So I think it's up to six devices or some number of devices, whatever it is, I don't know I quote it wrong, but whatever number of devices can now connect to your phone via Wi-Fi. So you're at brunch and everybody at the table, no matter whether they're using an iPhone or an Android or a BlackBerry or a laptop or anything, they can all connect to the internet through Wi-Fi through your Android phone. I love that. It's amazing. It's absolutely. And while we're sitting there, okay, we had the EVO in sitting here, but we connected his iPhone to it by Wi-Fi and my Motorola Android via Wi-Fi to it. We're both using our own phones on Wi-Fi through this device and it was really, really fast. It was just as fast as Wi-Fi at home. It was slick, slick, slick. And that was only on 3G, not 4G. Some people call that tethering, I guess, it's the same thing. Well, it's a little different. Tethering is similar. Tethering is where you actually can plug it in with a cable to your laptop and get internet. And this is beyond that. This is like tethering via Wi-Fi with multiple units. So it's more advanced than tethering. It's really, really slick. So you can see the near future by the end of the summer, basically, no matter what, when you're at brunch or you're at somebody's house or you're at the beach or wherever you are, if any one person in your group has an Android Froyo unit, basically everybody in your whole group now has Wi-Fi. Isn't that awesome? It's like, we've always fantasized about having Wi-Fi everywhere. And everybody, great minds have tried to figure out, how can we put Wi-Fi routers on every traffic light on every corner of every city? I mean, Google will try to do that. Well, now, it's brilliant. They've combined cell phone data with the Wi-Fi technology so that it's cell phone data down to the phone and then Wi-Fi to all the other devices. It's brilliant. It's absolutely so exciting. And the other part of this phone that I'm excited about, which we probably mentioned it last time because it's such an obvious one, it's the HDMI port that it has output. And so you can film your own video or you can download any video and then connect from your phone, connect the wire to your television or to another HDMI device and watch it on the big screen, which is like a Tivo. Right. So if you if you follow what he's saying, HDMI is the high definition video signal that goes into your big 53 inch HD flat screen on your wall. That's HDMI that comes out of your cable box or your computer or whatever. This little phone has HDMI out so you can have a movie on your phone and you can be at somebody's house and just plug it in HDMI right into their HDTV and see it high definition video on any device, any HDTV. The other thing is that it has the front end of that, which is the video camera. Of course, most all these phones have video cameras now, but this one has a high definition 720p video camera in it. So you're holding it and you're actually it's a video camera too. It's just it's this is like Jetsons. It's right out of the future. This is amazing. And with that super fast processor, it actually works. Now that's the other thing. A lot of these, you know, they have, you know, they have it, they have the specs, but they don't really work that great. Like the camera on the Motorola Droid. I love the Motorola Droid. I love almost everything about it, but the camera. Not so great. I don't know. Maybe it's me, but I don't I'm not crazy about it. But this one, oh my gosh, we're sitting there in the store to get HD video and talking. And then we play it back and it also has this little kickstand, which everybody talks about because you can just set it on this stand and it just sits there on the table like like a little portable TV and you're watching it and HD and you plug it in with the HDMI and you're going to watch it on the huge HD TV screen in high definition from your phone, which is also your Wi-Fi hotspot. And these are just two of the features like it's amazing. Yeah, like YouTube, you can go to YouTube and get the actual like HD quality video YouTube HD. That's right. YouTube supports up to 720p. So there it is. The highest level that YouTube can support is now equal to the highest level that this phone can take. So you can take 720p video on your phone and upload it directly to YouTube. Oh my gosh, we might even use it to save our show. We might replace our camera with this thing. I don't know how we're going to find out if there's a tripod attachment. That'll be interesting. But there's other things too. Like there's a camera on the front as well as the back. What is it like 8 megapixel on the back? And I don't remember but I'm not going to quote specs. You can just Google HTC EVO EVO. And but there's a camera right here on the front and it has video calling. It's not enabled right away but it will be soon, Sprint says. But if somebody else has the same phone, they can sit there and it's like Skype. You can video call. Right. That's just so cool. I mean it's about time. How many years have we been talking about that? Which means they can see you and you can see them while they're speaking to you. Yeah, that's what I meant. I guess I didn't explain it. But you can see each other just like Skype. A video call, a video telephone. It's like video conference. In your hand. In your hand. It's crazy. I wonder how long it'll be. Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder how long it'll be before that's integrated with Skype and all that so that you could video call with Skype. You know it's open source. They're going to have to. They've got Skype on these things. They're going to have to tie that. You know, I'll bet you anyway, I'll bet you anything it's already in the works because if you can video call through that, you could certainly video call through Skype. That's slick. That's really slick. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I wanted to not talk about it till when I have it in my hand but it's too exciting to not talk about it because probably everyone's talking about it. Yeah, we'll be talking about it quite a bit. I have a feeling in the coming days. But now I wanted to take a moment and just again, thank our sponsors for supporting us and sponsoring our show. Thank you very much. The first one is Arvix web hosting. It's A-R-V-I-X-E.com. Arvix is awesome. And I'm not just saying that because they're sponsored. I'm saying that because I love them. We have gone through the process of switching. I don't know how many domains we've got dozens and dozens of .com domain names and we have we're in the almost have them all switched over to Arvix now and we love this hosting company because mainly because of their support. You call them 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, seven days a week and you're going to get a live human being here in this country who speaks clearly in plain simple English. Even though they're very technical, they speak your language. They speak really, really simple and you can explain to them what's going on and they can tell you exactly what to do, what to click, how to do it or they just do it for you. Or both. They'll explain how to do it and do it for you. It's totally up to you, but their customer service is beyond anything I've ever seen. They're just amazing. When I call them, I'm just blown away. I wish every company could have this level of customer service. In fact, usually you talk to the same people, the same person. In fact, maybe. But you tell them what's going on and they tell you this is why and this is how you fix it. You can do this or they'll do it for you. Like I said, they're brilliant. The other thing I like is when you go to the web page, it's not so cluttered that you just don't know what's there or what's not. Yeah, some of those, some web hosting companies, you go there and it's just like this convoluted mess of stuff everywhere. And you're like, whoa, you just get a headache looking at it. But with this, it's just very simple. Register a domain, hosting. It's simple. It's like that's all there. What else do you need? That's really all you want. And there's a phone number right at the top, call 24-7. And you don't even have to go to the website. You can just call. Or you can go to the website, get the number and call. But they're there for you. They're there to help you. And they have serious uptime, very, very reliable. They even have web, what do you call it, hosted applications that install with one click, which we use a lot. There's one called Boonex Dolphin, which is a social network. It's a free open source, which we, I don't know, you may already know. I'm a very big advocate of free open source software, FOS software. This is software that runs on a website. So you'd have your own website and you can run, like, if you want to start your own Facebook for people who are into birdwatching in Seattle, you can set up birdwatchersofseattle.com and you can, with one click, literally one click, you can install this software that runs on the site. It's free open source. It's called Boonex Dolphin. It's free open source. It's absolutely free and it automatically installs and it makes a social network for whatever purpose you have. You can have as many as you want. And it's kind of like Facebook. So you can have people connect for a special interest group. A lot of people are getting turned off by Facebook because it's too much, too massive. But a little group about a specific targeted thing is, you know, it's very attractive. If people are interested in that thing, they can join this and they can also, it's almost like a directory of people that are involved in that. Anyway, that's just one application it installs with a click. But not only that, they support you. When you have a problem, you call Arvix and they will actually help you with that application, which a lot of companies don't do. I mean, if they even have the ability to install it for you automatically, they're not going to support it. They're not going to be there. You're going to get a press one for this, press two for that. Please wait on hold and all that. And then they're going to say, sorry, we don't support the software. You know, but these people do. And they have a forum also where you can, you know, post a question and other users can answer it. But usually somebody from Arvix does. They're just they're really brilliant. They're right on top of it. They're not an enormous company. So you actually, they're like real human. And I love their support. I love their reliability. And the price is crazy. We play, pay a small, small, small fee. And we have unlimited bandwidth, unlimited storage, unlimited number of domain names can be hosted all in one account. It's what more could you want? Check it out. Arvix.com. A-R-V-I-X-E.com. Tell them you heard about it from Bruce and Ed Live in New York. You can go to our web page and click on the link from there if you'd like. Right. Right. B-R-E-D-T-V.com. And then in the show notes section, there'll be a link there. They'll take you right there if you forget how to spell it. The next sponsor we want to thank is Dropbox. Another company that's a startup. It's not really a startup anymore. Now it's so big. It's so popular because it's amazing. They've created a whole new market. What do you call it? A whole new model? Power time for some saving. Yeah, I can't think of the word. Backing up. You know, a whole new business model, a whole new niche. And it's called Dropbox, just like it sounds, d-r-o-p-b-o-x.com. What Dropbox does is so cool. You can, you go to Dropbox.com and you install the software. Or just go to breadtv.com, click on the link, blah blah blah. Anyway, you install the software. Now the software, there's a version for Windows, Mac, Linux, for Ubuntu Linux, your Android phone, your iPhone. There's a version for pretty much everything. You install this little software and what happens is you store all your important documents inside of a folder on your computer or device called Dropbox, right? And in there, everything that you put in there is backed up to the Internet, is synchronized to the Internet. Okay, it's backed up out to your account on Dropbox. And you get two gigabytes for free, by the way, completely free. Per person, each person gets two gigabytes absolutely free. There's no sense in not having it. It's crazy. Plus, you get more space if you refer other friends and so on. But anyway, okay, so it syncs it out to the web, right? And then it also syncs it to all your other computers. So we have, you know, if we have 11 computers sitting around and three phones, whatever, if I save a document, a spreadsheet, a presentation, doesn't matter what it is, any kind of file, even pictures, movies, music, anything, if I put it on my Dropbox, boom, it's also on Ed's computer and this computer and that computer and the phone and it's accessible everywhere, backed up, you know, if you've got 11 computers and two phones, it's backed up 13 times. Well, 14 times counting the internet. Plus, I could be over at my friend Mimi's house and I can just get on the web. I can be anywhere, anytime, and get on the web and go to Dropbox.com and I can log in to my account and I have access to all my files. All your data. So it's like your file server on the web. It's just brilliant. Who thought of this? Well, I love the fact that first they have the app for the Android and the iPhone, which is, works flawlessly. It's somewhat new. And one of the best features that I love, personally, is that I can actually right click on a file and then copy the link and then send you a link of whatever folder, I mean file, I'm sorry, that I want to either share with you or with someone else and it's very easy. You just get the link and then you can download the document that I'm sending you and it's perfect. Any file, so any file that you can put on your computer of any type you can do this with, what are you talking about? So what's really brilliant is of any size too. So for example, as long as it'll fit within your Dropbox quota, you can do this. You put it inside of a folder called Dropbox and then inside there there's a folder called public. So as long as it's within that structure, you can right click on it and it says get public URL. And that gives you a link and it puts it on your clipboard, right? So then you can go and email that link to somebody. So for example, if I have a movie, Yeah, but you don't have to have a Dropbox account for this what I'm talking about. No, I know, I know. But if I have it, if I have the movie and I want to share it, then I have to have the Dropbox account. Yes. Right. But what I'm saying is, let's say I have a movie, there's a great movie, Cedar Things the Blues and it's Creative Commons license free, shareable, it's not copyrighted, you know, you can share it legally. So I have that in my Dropbox public folder. I go to that movie and it doesn't matter how big it is. It could be a gigabyte or two gigabytes or whatever. It could be a whole two gigabyte file. I right click, copy Dropbox public URL. Then I go to an email and I email that URL to someone and they get this link in their email that says HTTP colon slash slash blah, blah, blah, blah. They just right click, save link as and then they're downloading that movie directly from my Dropbox. It could be a movie. It could be a photo. You can actually take, you know, hundreds of photos and put them and zip them into one zip file and you can do the same thing with a zip file. So they right click, now they're downloading a zip file. You can use it to share files or entire sets of files if you zip them, movies, music, anything with your friends or coworkers or whatever just by sending them a link. So they don't have to have Dropbox. They don't have to install it or nothing. You can send them this via, of course, via anything, via email, via text message, via instant messaging, chat, anything. So it's really, really, really useful. So if I want, I have this public domain, you know, Creative Commons Movie and I can just, you know, send you this link in a chat room or in whatever and you can just, everybody can just right click and boom, they're downloading it. It's a great, and you can't email, you know, as you may know, you can't email a file that's bigger than 10 megabytes, usually. If you have Gmail, I think the limit goes up. If it's from Gmail to Gmail address, the limit goes up to like 25 megabytes, I think. But anything bigger than that, it's a pain. It's like, now you gotta deal with something. But with this, as long as you put it in your Dropbox, you got a URL, you can send it to anybody and you're not actually sending it. You're just sending the link and then they're getting it directly from your Dropbox and when they do, they can't change it. They can't modify it or delete it or anything. All they can do is download it. So you can send someone a spreadsheet or anything. They can modify the copy they have, but they can't actually access to change your copy. Right. It's great. Yeah, it's awesome. Great, great technology. And what else is it? So the backup, I mean the backup in and of itself, that all your irreplaceable family photos, any documents that you create for your business or personal use, your photos, home movies, anything like that, you have backed up in as many places as you have computers plus the web. You can be on a trip to Africa and you don't have any computers or phones with you. You can go to a cyber cafe and access that stuff. It's just amazing. You can even upload things from a browser if you log on to your account. You can upload things to your Dropbox even if you don't have your computer with you as long as you go to the internet. And what I do is if I'm going traveling, I'll put whatever movies I want to watch or music and when I'm at my mom's, I can just download it there and press favorite and then it actually downloads it into my flash drive and then I can watch it. That's the thing that people often ask is like, well, what if my phone, you know, my phone doesn't have enough memory to hold, you know, if my Dropbox has 120 gigabytes, my phone doesn't have 120 gigabytes. Well, with these phone applications, they have, like on the iPhone, for example, or the Android, you can select the files that you want access to and you just put it, like you just, like on Gmail, you click a star. So like you star them, almost like you're favoriting these files and the ones that you put a star by, they're going to get downloaded to your phone and the rest will not actually be on your phone. So you can just download the ones, you favorite, the ones you're going to access. So if you're going to be on an airplane and you want to watch these movies and listen to these audio, music, podcasts, whatever, read these at documents and so on, you can just click all the ones you want and then they'll download while you have internet. And then later, when you're on the airplane or the subway or whatever, out of the country, you can actually, then it'll be a local copy on your phone. And then later, when you're done with it, you just unfavorite them and it frees up that space. It basically deletes the copy that's on your phone. Otherwise you need internet to access it obviously. Right. Very, very smart. So check it out dropbox.com. All right. And then our third sponsor today is Mountain Rose Herbs. It's spelled just like it sounds. MountainRoseHerbs.com and you can go to again, redtv.com and look at the show notes and click the link there to be taken there. Tell us about Mountain Rose Herbs. Yeah. 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the next topic I wanted to discuss is one that we were talking about just this morning and that is this whole idea that there's so much confusion about the idea of downloading on the internet there's just tons and tons of misunderstanding and confusion some of it is intentional and some of it most of it's not but there's lots of misinformation and misconceptions about it so I wanted to just clarify a few things for you guys so I'm here you heard it here first I want to educate everybody about this all right the first concept is there's nothing illegal about downloading okay the idea in itself of downloading something on the internet obviously there's nothing illegal about downloading in and of itself when you're on the internet that's basically what you're doing most of the time you're downloading every web page you see you're downloading information when you download a program and install it you're downloading something you're you know when you're on YouTube you're downloading video and watching it as you're downloading so the the phrase downloading is used improperly in many cases it's not downloading that's illegal it's what you're downloading all right that's the critical critical point so just to clarify that now there are different ways to download things if you go to a website that says download whatever here you click it you're doing a direct download also called an HTTP download just a normal download through your browser but there are many other ways to download there's download streaming like YouTube or many you know internet radio but maybe you may be watching us right now by downloading it you can if you go to our web page you can download the video file it says right click on this link save link as you download the video file or the mp3 audio file that's another way of downloading straight through your browser streaming it through YouTube is another form of downloading there are other technologies for downloading like bit torrent and peer to peer clients like e-donkey and all sorts of different things frost wire and so on now bit torrent probably gets the most notoriety because bit torrent is a technology it's also the name of a company which also confuses people but primarily bit torrent is a protocol it's a technology it's kind of like a language that's spoken on the internet okay it's called bit torrent and bit torrent in itself is completely legal all it is is a way to send a file from one place to another and and share it with multiple people so there's nothing illegal about bit torrent um it it's all about what you're downloading what you're uploading what you're sharing so the copyrighted material is obviously the issue and even that in some countries it's explicitly legal there are many countries where it's absolutely legal to share copyrighted material but not in this country in the USA and and UK it's definitely in Japan I believe it's definitely not legal here so I want to clarify that because people need to know bit torrent's legal downloading movies from the theater is not in the US all right so the reason or even TV showed yeah movies TV music anything that is copyrighted is not legal in the US so now there okay so that having been stated if you understand that that helps that's the background now there is the issue of there are bit torrent programs like on windows the most popular one is called utorrents U-T-O-R-R-E-N-T dot com you go to that website you download this free little tiny program absolutely free and it's really easy to use it's called utorrents and on windows that's how it is if you use Ubuntu Linux it's built in to the operating system you have to google it for Mac because there's a new one all the time I'm not sure which one's the best one at the moment but anyway you have a little program called a bit torrent client and then you can download torrents now if you again if you're downloading things that are public domain or things that you created and you are sharing with the world or anything that says creative commons licensed shareable if it has a shareable creative commons license it's absolutely legal to to it says legal is sending someone an email okay there's nothing illegal about it so they want you to don't be confused right don't be confused about that but if you're downloading TV shows from broadcasts or cable TV or movies from the movie theater and things like that that's not going to be legal in this country so it's about what you're downloading and uploading now I have an issue with that because you go to a website and you read something that looks interesting but it doesn't tell you can it says you can download this through a torrent or whatever but it doesn't really tell you this is copyrighted material and doing this is illegal you know until after the fact you find it you see it and then it's like you realize oh well this is copyrighted material but you don't know ahead of time so I have well you know problems with that it's kind of like a lot of things it's the burden is on you to know what you're downloading and to know like you have reasonable knowledge that that would be copyrighted if it's something that says you know uh entourage tv series from hbo you can be sure that's copyrighted if it's something from abc and bccbs you know one of the television networks of you know it's copyrighted if it's a movie that was in the theater it's copyrighted you know basically unless it specifically says creative commons license shareable or public domain then you can pretty much assume that it's copyrighted if you want to be very very safe then just don't do it unless it says that you could I mean you know one of the things that you brought up this morning is what if you clicked a link and it you downloaded something that was mislabeled like if it said it was you know something shareable but you actually downloaded it and it was avatar you know and that that could happen but obviously you know if it's a direct download it's up to well it's a little bit confusing here because if you were downloading a link directly you're not using bit torrent if you didn't know what it was and because it was mislabeled until you got it you know your legal responsibility here would be just as soon as you recognize what it is to delete it if it's a direct download from a website they're going to go after the person who has the website who's distributing the person who has yeah it's hosting on the website if it's now the way bit torrent works is a little bit different and I know it's a little bit technical a little bit confusing but it's not that bad when you use bit torrent what happens is there's a whole swarm there could be anywhere from two three to three hundred people all in connected all these computers connected to each other sharing this pieces of this file until everybody has the whole thing that's how it works so it's almost like if you took the phone book in New York New York City phone book the white pages and I had one copy and there were a dozen people and we all wanted to end up with a copy and so what I did is I just tore out you know 20 pages and gave them to each person and then they all were busy at their photocopiers copying those pages and when they got done they would find out who else needed pages one to one hundred and then they'd give them to that person and so on and so on so it's like that's how bit torrent works in a way it it shares among these 300 people it broadcasts and says what pages do you need what pages do you have and the computer obviously does this super super super fast so it's like sending little bits among these 300 people until everybody has the complete copy that's why it's so fast because everybody is sharing everybody's downloading and everybody's uploading bits and pieces of the thing all at the same time simultaneously so anyway what happens is if first of all if a copyright owner if the like you know the motion picture association MPAA basically the copyright police for film and television a lot of media like that what they do is they will actually take one of their computers and they'll install a bit torrent client on it and then they'll go and download their own movie or their own TV show and when you're when they're downloading it they can see a whole list of all the computers they're connected to those computers which are also downloading and uploading this thing at the same time so they take that list their IP addresses they take that list the entire list of IP addresses and associated with the date and time what day and time minute and second it is right now and from that information alone they can parse it out and see which they which cable you know ISP is associated with each of those so there'll be some from Comcast some from Time Warner some from whoever whoever whoever and then they submit these these complaints complaint letters to those companies now Time Warner gets a batch of these and these are all Time Warner IP addresses then Time Warner has to go and look up this IP address on this date and this time and see which account holder had that IP address at that date and time and minute and second then they say okay that's John Smith 123 Main Street Apartment 23 that that person they have to notify so then they notify that person and say we you know we got this complaint that you were downloading avatar or whatever so that's how you get a complaint letter from the ISP if you're downloading something that's copyrighted that's how they they catch it and they'll give you a warning they'll give you a few warnings usually when people get a warning if they do that and they get a warning like that they're going to stop right away but that's how that happens now the other thing that can happen if you're using BitTorrent is the ISP itself can detect that you're transmitting and receiving this BitTorrent protocol because they just look at all the data that's going to and from your internet connection and if they see this language this protocol called BitTorrent coming to and from your computer some of them will actually automatically throttle your speed down because they assume that you're uploading and downloading vast quantities of data music videos music you know movies and so on TV shows and all that and so they'll just take your 20 megabit per second service and just throttle the speed way down obviously people are outraged by that it's wrong in my opinion and it shouldn't be legal if it is it should not be legal for them to do that and it's gone all the way to Congress and so on but because the fact is that BitTorrent itself is not illegal and if I'm downloading and uploading movies that are shareable then there's absolutely no reason for them to throttle my speed down that I'm paying for all right now but that's something that can happen so if you're using BitTorrent to share legal content you can still have your internet throttle down by these ISPs that do that if you're using BitTorrent to download illegal content that's copyrighted then you'll have that effect and you'll also probably get warning letters from your ISP and ultimately after a few warnings I don't know how many but they may actually cut off your internet right so not or worse they could actually you know which may actually be a good thing because they might cut off your internet before you end up in a lawsuit and having to defend a lawsuit from the MPAA which you know they're ruthless they're just famous for being ruthless so obviously you don't want to do that but if you want to use BitTorrent which you have every right to do and you want to download and upload legal creative commons licensed shareable content for example you want to download the latest distribution of Linux and it's you know a couple gigabytes or something there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be allowed to use BitTorrent and you should use it and the ISP it's none of their business and it's completely legal so here's what we recommend there's a new service called put.io and that's the actual website it's put.io instead of .com it's .io I don't know what country that represents but anyway the website is just put.io it's so cool what it does is it allows you to create an account it's not free I think there's three price plans the middle one is like $9 95 a month or something and it lets that gives you like 50 gigabytes of bandwidth but what it does is it allows you to go and put the torrent the link to the torrent file into their site and then the the BitTorrent transmission and activity doesn't have to anything to do with your computer it's kind of if you think about how Gmail works in Gmail you know or Hotmail or Yahoo Mail any of those web based emails the email actually isn't on your computer the email is living out there on the web well this is like BitTorrent but it's living out there on the web so what happens is if you download CedaSingsTheBlues a Creative Commons licensed full-length motion picture that's legal to download you can put the torrent into put.io the dot torrent file the link to it and the movie will download from the BitTorrent swarm to your put.io account and it will happen super super super fast by the way because they're right on the the they're right on the backbone of the internet so it happens a gigabit speed all right so it's like really really fast you'll be shocked you know a whole movie you'll download in four minutes you're like whoa never seen anything that fast then once it's done it'll be in your account and then what you could do is you can just click download and then you download the movie directly from put.io straight down to your computer which is also super super fast and it's not in BitTorrent protocol so they're like in security or like an intermediary an intermediary it protects your privacy you never you're never uploading anything you're only downloading and and you're downloading only directly from put.io you're never using BitTorrent protocol so you'll never get throttled down because you're using BitTorrent protocol you'll never have to worry about uploading anything because you're not uploading anything and you have complete privacy too there's no way that anyone is going to detect you know that it's you yeah I mean whatever it is so obviously we only recommend doing this with you know shareable creative commons licensed public domain material unless you live in a country where it's legal that's that's different but in the US we you know or US, UK, Japan several countries it's explicitly illegal then you want to only do this with shareable stuff but it's better than doing it directly and that's why because you don't have to worry you don't have to worry about anybody getting your IP address and things like that so anyway we're out of time we're out of time we could just go on and on about this topic yeah that's pretty interesting I um so we'll see you to see you more about that yeah we'll talk about it more tomorrow all right thanks guys thank you very much for joining us today we'll see you tomorrow until next time ciao we'll be right here redtv.com