 Welcome to a special town meeting November 18th. It's 8 p.m. We're gonna get started. So I'm gonna call a meeting to order. I Have a few brief remarks tonight Last Monday we got to a total of one and a half articles With 25 articles on the agenda or on the warrant my calculations will be here for 18 nights If we keep up this blistering pace This is a special town meeting. You usually they don't go that long we get rid of our warrant under our regular town meeting Which averages about 70 to 80 articles in five six seven nights at the most so I'm hoping we we can do a little better tonight. I Sent to all of you a Primer on the Motions the parliamentary procedures what those all are those are usually distributed with your Packets we didn't get it in there, but you have it now. I also gave everyone a portion of town meeting time our rules and regulations that we go by on the points of order and points of personal privileges During our debate the other night we got pretty far off the mark what points of court order and privilege are So I thought I would give everybody an idea of what they actually are The last thing we have one resolution this year article 25 What as we've done in the past and as we're going to do this time I give each side one seven minute Time to speak so the proponents will get together and put together their presentation and have seven minutes And they've already have put together a video which is on the online agenda on our web page And that runs about six and a half minutes if someone else wants to discuss anything with the proponents Get in touch with me, and I'll put you in touch with them. Now the opponents or the people who are Don't want to go forth with that our resolution I've been a touch I've been contacted by a few people if anyone else which is to be on the opposition to that Please get in touch with me And I will put you together with the other folks who are want to put together an opposition So just email me for the pro or con on 25 But again, we're going to have one presentation by each side and then we're going to vote on it. Okay, and That is about it for my remarks Oh, I just wanted to remind everybody if you're having a voting issue and you're not able to use the voting Portal or you're not able to use the raise hand feature in zoom you can call Julie Brazil and report your vote to her and She will report it to us and we'll have mr. Koroski will manually enter it for you And I'm the repeat her number for everybody to write down 7-8-1 3-1-6 3 0 7 1 that's 7 8 1 3 1 6 3 0 7 1 And we've made some adjustments to how we're going to handle anyone who is on tech support While we get a vote we're going to try and get your vote and have that recorded as well Oh, Julie's telling me I wrote. Oh, no, that's her number Is chat still on for just a presenters Yeah, sorry John I was just providing that because that's to all the attendees to see Julie's phone number that you just gave okay So that that chat is just gave you her phone numbers. So if you are on tech support, we're gonna Get try and get in touch with the tech support person so you can register your vote We did that successfully between Chris and Patrick the other night. We're gonna keep it up tonight. All right, so Let's get going with our Agenda so any time meeting members left to be sworn in if so, please use the request to speak button Which we have had renamed because I kept calling it request to speak and it used to be asked to speak but now It's the right name So if you haven't been sworn in go ahead and use the request to speak button now We'll give you half a second to get that up I don't think there is anyone who has it Navigate to your portal and give that a shot So I'm not seeing any on my screen because I think everyone's sworn in so I recognize this to her Thank you, Mr. Marrider It is moved that if all the business of the meeting has set forth in the warrant for the special time meeting is not Disposed of at this session when the meeting adjourns it adjourns to Monday November 23rd to 2020 at 8 p.m Thank you, Mr. Monterey. Thank you, Mr. Herd. Mr. Foskett. Would you like to second that? Second, okay? I'm going to direct the clerk to enter one vote in favor of that motion Are there any announcements or resolutions if anyone has an announcement or resolution? Please use the race request to speak feature. I'm not seeing any, okay If does anyone have Any reports that they have to receive That they would like us to receive any committees have reports I'm going to call for any reports of committees. So again, use your request to speak but if you have a report you want us to receive Mr. Marrider. Yes a point of technical support We're still in the attendance vote. So I don't know if anyone has the request to speak button up Oh, okay, so What I'm going to do is ask everybody to and I'm not seeing any of that on my portal screen I'm just seeing article five from last the other night If you haven't attend used the attendance vote, please go in and check in the attendance vote and Check in attendance. That's our quorum call. This is usually our test question. So I'm going to ask for everybody to go ahead and Do that now and if you're having an issue The race hand feature should be up miss Wayman. So Adam, can you see how many people have voted? We have 223 okay Mr. Moderator, we do have two points of order well, they're gonna I think I might have to log out of the portal and log back in Okay, um, because it's not functioning properly. I can't see any of those points of order Who are they miss? I may ask sure. Um, we have got John Warden, Paulette Schwartz and sherry baron okay, so I'll take mr. Uh warden first Okay, mr. Warden you can unmute yourself and remember everyone uh name and precinct when you first unmute yourself And you don't have to ask if we can hear you Is that am I unmuted? Yes, you are sir. Thank you. Uh the question is Last monday, uh, I was able to go from The portal to the zoom by hitting the chrome button It doesn't seem to be working tonight. So maybe you could tell everybody Maybe everybody else the other 219 people know, but I don't how do you move between the two? The two platforms um We're going to have uh pat liby give you a call john And he's going to help walk you through that That's beyond my capacity So patrick tin you get john a call Any technical issues like mr. Warden just had um, so Our should be addressed through the q and e a at this point Make is that Well pat's going to help you john Where's the q and a I don't see that right down there at the bottom of the zoom screen On the zoom screen Maybe I don't know what I'm on So patrick's giving you a call john so we're going to go to the next point of order if you will. Okay. Thank you Is paulette schwarz That was an error Okay, there's an ability to lower your hand once you put it up So sherry barron Hi sherry barron precinct seven Yes, miss barron I don't know if this is the point of order, but I wanted to clarify you said about article 25 That each side would give a seven minute presentation. Will there be appropriate time for Input from the town meeting members What we've done in the past is we have had each side give us their presentation and then we've gone to a vote And that is what you plan to do this time. I'm going to follow the same pattern that I've done in the past. Yes Thank you, mr. Moderator. Thank you miss barron. I think this uh Portal's not working right. I got a totally log out and log back in But in the meantime, um, if there anyone has reports Please um Give us a Word right now. Otherwise we're going to move on Oh, we have to wait for this to finish 234 to come in. Do we know how many are on the um Your zoom miss wayman Yeah, we have 243, uh attendees with a small handful maybe uh one two Maybe five or six of them are now time not town meeting members okay, so we have about, uh 43 of about three town meeting members who have not yet voted I'm going to give you another Minute to do your check-in And then we're going to proceed try and log back in. I think that did it So I have four missing votes joey and Preston john ellis a lane crowder and a del crouse If you four folks want to check in Del has been gone for 18 minutes, but joey and john, please vote now We're going to give you another 15 seconds and we're going to figure a check-in is done Okay, so down with the joey and Preston Joanne got herself a new uh high speed internet Router over the weekend. So she should be good to go And she's voted. Okay. So let's close that voting Excuse me. Mr. Moderator. Yep. Uh, julie brazil is raising her hand. Okay. Hi Mr. Moderator a del crouse just called me. Um, she is still trying to get help. Um, so if someone can call her She wasn't able to do anything. All right. We'll I'll um, we'll check her in mr. Kraus. You will add her in as a here and Patrick could you call it del crouse? Oh, you just got off the phone with john. So I should have given it to chris Mr. Moderator mr. Warden needs to explain to us what his phone number is that is not public knowledge Oh I can give him your phone number John warden if you're still out there If you would call seven eight one three one six three four five nine John so call seven eight one three one six three four five nine And that will bring you to chris chris thicket Right to his desk I'll say it one more time john. Hopefully you're here seven eight one three one six three four five nine Let's hope john gives you call. I don't have john's phone number unless john wants to pop back in and give us his phone number okay, so Now No, mr. Weinstein has a point of order. We haven't even started yet Yeah, hi hi jordan. Hi Mr. Moderator, I just wanted to ask whether or not it would be possible to appeal Either formally or to your sense of fairness You're ruling that there would be no discussion beyond the seven minutes allowed for each That's no proponent This is a very important question. Mr. Weinstein. Mr. Weinstein That's first. That's not a point of order Uh, there is no The all rules of the quorum and all rules of how the meeting votes are strictly the moderators Determination unless they're set out in the bylaws and the moderator is in charge of the The Happening of the meeting how it progresses This is a rule that we have used in the past for at least three or four years and maybe more and it's a Rule that I'm going to stick with this year Um, and frankly this is it's an issue that I'm not going to get into right now But I've made my decision. I've announced it. It's been out there in the public for weeks now I'm just making sure that everyone understands But thank you Thank you. Okay, so So maybe there's no more reports or to be received. We're going to go right into article five So, mr. Um, coralski if you want to bring article five back up And mr. Moderator, I will be restoring the session from article five and it should include the same speaking queue that we had up the other Correct. We'll just go right back to the same queue I think the two points of order were dealt with though Would you like me to clear them up? Yes, please I believe we did deal with both of them and when done with that. We're going to call Karen Kelleher Thank you, mr. Moderator. Am I okay to proceed? Yes Karen Kelleher precinct five. Thank you uh, I rise in favor of Article five the fossil fuel ban for a new construction and substantial rehab And I'd like to speak to it from the perspective of the affordable housing sector I'm the executive director of an organization called basic boston We provide financial policy and other kinds of support for affordable housing As well as economic development small business and other aspects of community development In that capacity my organization has been providing policy support at the intersection of affordable housing and energy efficiency and climate resiliency For up to 10 years almost 10 years now and in that At that intersection. We're very focused on driving both, um, you know reduction of Um fossil fuel use but also controlling cost because when we're advocating for measures that reduce The carbon footprint of a building if they are increasing the cost They may be actually reducing the affordability of that project reducing the numbers of units or reducing the Income level or increasing income levels. So we try very hard to make sure that we're not pulling Between those two objectives but doing things that are moving both of them forward So I want to speak to this article and what I like about it from that perspective My organization has been very supportive of this type of ban in brookline and in other communities in massachusetts because Of some of the features of these bans that really make it a feasible viable Thing to push forward in both affordable housing and other multifamily housing So there are two primary things I like about this ban First is that it focuses on electric hvac systems And that's a place where the market offers electric options that are cost effective I couldn't say the same thing if this was a Requiring hot water heaters to not rely on fossil fuels or emergency backup generators because the market hasn't produced those options yet But in the hvac space there are viable cost effective electric options The second thing I like about this Is that it has waiver authority if there were to be financial feasibility issues as a result of this position And so there is a particular call out for affordable housing in that waiver authority So should folks be concerned that this is imposing a cost on affordable housing That it can't bear that's going to reduce its affordability. I think there's plenty of A track record to show that that's not the case and the last point I'll make is that that's being demonstrated right here in irelandton by the housing corporation of arlington I think it was pointed out on monday night That they are currently constructing two different projects that are relying on all electric hvac systems in their affordable housing Thank you very much. Mr. Moderator Thank you. This kill her Next will be rodrick holland Thank you. Mr. Moderator rodrick holland precinct seven brief comment on this article I like it a lot because it gives us something for The gut rehabs and tear downs that otherwise are Causing havoc At least we get better greenhouse gas Emissions out of it. Thank you. Thank you, sir Gordon jameson Thank you. Mr. Moderator gordon jameson precinct 12 Um preparation for speaking tonight. I looked at the video again Um, I think the article is positive. I'm positive on the article in general and well crafted Um, I have a question about what miss keller just said and then I have a couple more Um, she mentioned that it only applied to hvac and not hot water. Could that be clarified by someone? Now mr. Meeks Um, yes, so I think uh, it does apply to it applies to fossil fuel piping and so fossil fuel piping Of course would affect a hot water here. So it does apply. I think she was referring specifically to the exemption For hot water in large buildings buildings over 10,000 square feet and that's really where the technology Does not exist. Thank you. Mr. Meeks um, the history of uh, this type of article goes to brook line um And uh, was that put mr. Meeks? Was that put through the moderator mr. Meeks? Was that a bylaw? That passed town meeting. How was that passed initially? Excuse me, it's that Or mr. Hind actually mr. Hind might be the better person I believe it was passed by a bylaw in brook line, but uh, mr. Hind mr. Chairman This is pat hanlon uh precinct five. You can't just break in unless I call on you sir He was he was left on I know I but you mr. Hamlin you can't just break in unless I call on you I did address to you Pat it can't break in unless I call on you I i'm the moderator gordon asked a question. I call on mr. Heim to answer his question Reclaiming my time isn't Gordon go ahead Mr. I So, um, I Mr. Heim is is this a bylaw that was passed by brook line Mr. Heim Douglas heim town council. Good evening members of town meeting. Yes. The bylaw was passed by brook line town meeting The bylaw that brook line town meeting passed was later Uh rejected by the municipal law unit of the attorney general's office I'd be happy to elaborate on that if folks were right I know that mr. Meeks and mr. Hamlin are also aware of those details But I don't want to take up all your time. Mr. Jamison. So the answer to that is yes, it was passed by town town by a town meeting bylaw Thank you. So, um Am I correct mr. Heim that bylaws usually require a two-thirds vote Mr. Heim no, uh There was heim town council So Zoning bylaws require a two-thirds vote an amendment to the General bylaws require a majority vote unless mr. Lenny's correct me on that score. I believe that general bylaw only Requires a majority vote. This is not a zoning bylaw No, sir Why is it not why is it not a zoning bylaw? I'll defer to mr. Heim on that So, uh, Douglas heim town council. There's a couple of ways this particular We could have approached this but This is largely not the Exclusive to the province of zoning. We have a lot of other regulations that speak to Certain facets of private property regulation including buildings I believe that this is proposed to be entered in under Title six of the town bylaws Which does regulate Certain aspects of buildings and makes reference to the state building code. So it does fit in there I'd be happy to I don't want to take again more of mr. Jameson's time than necessary But I'd be happy to talk more generally about the legal posture for any town meeting members Who would like to know more and why and how we're planning to uh approach the issue of The attorney general's office's uh decision relative to brook line spot I think I I think I'm making mr. Heim. I think I understand the attorney general's position I did I looked at the um the video and that's explained that I just was confused that That this um to my mind is a zoning bylaw But um, I guess in this context it's not because if it was a zoning bylaw Then this would be a way to work around to get a majority position versus two-thirds But I trust your your knowledge mr. Heim On other things I was um happy to see on page seven for those of Who are following along on the paper copy we were sent that there's a difference between You need 75 percent of the listing space to be changed for residential and a slightly lower for Commercial um it says added space. So in other words a question for ha perhaps for mr. Meeks or mr. Hanlon If I added if I doubled the size of my house, I wouldn't have to do this. Is that correct mr. Hanlon now You can speak That is that is correct. Thank you mr. Hanlon um Continuing on thinking towards the future when we're doing all doing this um, I'm sure many of the proponents are against pipelines for natural gas I myself was against the northern um Northern pass which would have brought uh for aesthetic reasons of the white mountains That would have brought uh hydro power down from canada. I am concerned long term about our um supply here Um, mr. Uh speaking quickly to mr. Tremley's comments at the end of his speech I'm curious how much of this is already in progress. Um If the director of inspections is online, could he report how many um splits Have been installed or permitted in the last 12 to 24 months It's mr. Um burn present. Can we bring michael up if he is? Good afternoon. Good evening. Michael burn. Please 13 inspector of spectral services. Um, good. No, we we've not kept track Um of how many of these have been done, but I know that there has not been a lot of them so far Okay Thank you. Mr. Burn. Thank you. Just trying to get just trying to get it up. How how how far This was being adopted. Um already on itself. So it sounds like we need to have a little nudge here. So Um, I'm I'm moving towards being in favor of this learning about the bylaw, you know bylaw and and that And I want to remind people very quickly That um whether or not you need to have a split or something The town has a way and if you don't have solar on your house The town has a way for your electricity usage to tomorrow essentially be 100 green And that's the arlington community electric thing. You can up opt up to the 100 percent So I want to put a pitch in fat And so while I I admit I was in these initially Skeptical I will be voting for this. Thank you very much. Mr. Moderator. Thank you. Mr. Jamison Mr. Joshua Lobel Hi there, josh lobel precinct eight. Um, I also in favor of this article for many reasons one is I think that we probably all can agree on The fact that climate change is real and that we have a limited opportunity to address Or mitigate all those problems So one question we heard in our precinct meeting was why should our arlington take this up? It seems like a much bigger issue Um, and I would agree it is a much bigger issue and probably it would be ideal if we had federal and state leadership on this but we don't and so Many towns and cities around the country are doing the san francisco just did the same thing with even a little bit more severe impact because they also Don't allow gas for cooking They're I guess about 39 or 40 Places around the country country that have done it So I think that And unlike kind of just a symbolic move on our park It also represents real opportunity because we're preventing building structures and systems that will be obsolete And have to be changed so that just kind of makes sense um, it's been mentioned several times that brookline did pass this or a similar uh article at their non virtual town meeting and originally I think it had a fair amount of skepticism But it ended up passing by a vote of 207 to three With their conversation there. So I think that again At least at their town meeting people felt fairly convinced by all the discussion Um, the other thing is that by doing this We're not really um trying to force into industry so much The mark the technology is there already. It's improving all the time And by putting in the kind of the core infrastructure to utilize this kind of technology We can take advantage of it whereas if we don't do this and you build your house with um A system that's not compatible with a heat pump Then it does total it would have to be uh replaced in order for us to Do what we have to do by 2050 So again, I'm I'm very supportive of this. I'm glad that Arlington is taking a leadership on it and I appreciate all the people who've put in the Effort to get this on our agenda. Thank you Thank you. Mr. Lobel Um, Mr. John diced Yeah, there I go. Okay um John you have to turn off Mary's speaker Oh, right Sorry, sorry John much better. Thank you Um, I'm also strongly in favor of this. This is the great impending disaster for the entire world and we uh our participation this way is a really good idea So I'm strongly for this. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir Christian Klein Thank you. Mr. Moderator Christian Klein precinct 10. Um, I'm a practicing architect in the Boston area um the mechanical engineers who design the mechanical Systems for the interior spaces we design Switched about three years ago to go all going to air source Heat pump specifically for this reason that any new infrastructure that's installed today Especially in the commercial side, which is not necessarily applicable to to the bylaw We have in front of us, but everything will be Most likely in place 30 years from now And so if we are looking to reduce our emissions by 2050 we have to do it today We can't do it 30 years down the road. So um, I Am very strongly in favor of this Thank you. Mr. Moderator. Thank you. Mr. Klein Mr. John warden, mr. Warden, can I mute yourself? Go ahead and talk John Can you hear me now? Yes, we can again. Oh, thank you I couldn't find the unmute button I did it for you. Oh, oh good. That's why I couldn't find it Thank you. Mr. Moderator. John warden precinct eight. I also like previous speakers and strongly in favor of this And I was particularly moved by mr. Tulio's comments Monday night About the the legacy we're leaving and and what will your What will you tell your children and grandchildren when they ask you what you did about climate change in 2020 Well, in my case, it'd probably be great grandchildren My children have been involved in trying to deal with climate change for a long time, but I um The uh, the uh legislative process and we're going to send this Hopefully we pass this by a large majority We will send it To the legislature and there it goes into kind of down the rabbit hole And you can be sure that the the gas industry the oil companies and the And the Sorry And the developers will have the best the best lobbyist money can buy and if if you ever dealt with The legislature, you know that the lobbyists have a much better way of getting the ear of our legislators and we ordinary citizens do But it is important for us at this point. I believe to and I'll Bring this all together uh to do whatever we can on the local level Uh to show that we are really serious about this climate change issue which is so really an existential challenge to our society and Just mentioned briefly Three things that we can do ourselves without any help from the legislature. One is Stop the war on trees the The central administration of our town on hap John let's we're talking about fossil fuel right now. Let's keep it within scope Well, I've tied this together mr. Moderator. Okay because um The the whole concept is say Is eliminating the additional use of fossil fuel and part of that if we stop cutting down all those trees, they wouldn't use those gas chainsaws to to uh cut them down And so but but mr. Meeks in an earlier presentation that I heard talked about the importance of trees That's also a part of climate control, which is really what we're dealing with I mean climate Change and the trees are putting out oxygen and stuff that that that helps us avert that And so removing them is inimical. It's it's part of the same. It's part of the same thing is eliminating fossil fuel Getting saving our tree canopy. The second is the pterodontic epidemic Um, which again is those aren't those aren't electric backhose are destroying those little affordable houses And and carrying them off to the dump and all the materials and so on good wood that you can't even buy anymore Is being destroyed to put up new buildings native Of made of the same thing that makes fossil fuel oil And and finally In this this is a very important point The biggest and most expensive project ever undertaken in 385 years in this town It's been the new high school And one of the one of the undertakings that was given to us at town meeting and was given to the voters The new high school would be heated and cooled by geothermal. So it would not use fossil fuel except for cooking um And and then but after after the those votes were obtained and the thing was approved They said well, we're gonna not can't do the geothermal And I think that is a serious mistake that has to be reversed Uh, and that's a little bit out of scope there. John. Let's bring it back to the article I'm trying to get rid of the fossil fuel going into the high school I know but that but we're not going to solve the problems of the high school Architecture issues tonight. We're talking about fossil fuel tea. I the reason I bring that up, mr. Moderator Please is that when we go to the legislature we We we we want to say we have done everything we can on the local level To to combat client change climate change in our town and to be an example for the rest of the state And if they say well, what about the high school that you that you use good old natural gas With our with our leaky pipes You didn't change that did you well you look a little bit hypocritical. I don't want to be able to say that about us That's not the kind of people we are. Let's do it right. Let's pass this Pass this this warrant article Send it to the legislature and let's go in there with a clean slate and say we've done everything we can Trees tear downs high school to to our level To do our part for climate to prevent climate Mitigate climate change. Thank you. Mr. Moderator. Thank you, sir Sophie magliazo Yes, good evening. So familiar so eight I am clearly in the minority here, but I rise in opposition to article five Although I'm all in favor of clean heat Unless we're all moving to clean heat I find it fundamentally unfair That an owner of a new home will pay the same property taxes We all pay that be prevented from choosing how to heat our home same as we have that choice If we want to make a move to clean heat it needs to be done I believe more at the state level so that it applies across the entire state to make a difference And if we ignore the unfairness that I find my additional concern of this article is the waiver provision I believe it's going to swallow the article In what we're looking to do So I think that basically with this waiver position provision The clean heat desire is just going to be a wishful thinking So I would be in favor of an article for clean heat like this if it were more limited to commercial and non-owner occupied housing, thank you Thank you, miss mouth. Magliazo Leba Hi, I'm Leba. Hi. I'm precinct 11. I move the question and all matters forward Okay, very thank you very much miss. I'm we have a motion to terminate debate. That's not debatable. So let's uh Get a voting screen up to terminate debate Second, mr. Miss moderate. Thank you, mr. Foskett So Tom meeting members we have a motion to terminate debate on article five in a second voting will be enabled At that point in time you will navigate over to your voting portal you Hit refresh page or refresh screen And that should bring up your voting A one for yes two for no and three for abstain and then hit Cast your vote now remember we only count yes and no votes Miss wayman has raised the raised hand function on zoom if you're having a voting issue And if all else fails, please call Town clerk brazil at seven eight one three one six three zero seven one And it looks like we don't have anybody in Tech support right now. So we're not going to run into any issues right there So go ahead and cast your vote So we seem to be picking up the speed of voting everyone's kind of fallen into a good pattern Maybe what's not going to take two minutes each time Because right now we've already had two hundred twenty one people voting and only 25 outstanding um And miss crouse may still be experiencing issues Mr. Moderator. Yes, julie brazil has her hand raised. Okay We can assume when um julie raises her hand during voting that you can just bring her up and um activator Sure. Thank you. Mr. Moderator Adele crouse precinct six votes. Yes Determinate the debate very good. Yes. Thank you Okay, we have 10 missing voters. Um, and i'm told mr. McCabe has logged off So he's not in a queue anymore. So we have eight voters. Let's give them 15 seconds michael brown patricia costa annie laquot Karen keller her robert marlin sylvia domine domingas Leonard cardin Out of those six people can go ahead and vote. We're going to give you 10 seconds. I'm going to start my stopwatch Because I don't have my nifty little clock And five three two one. Okay, let's close voting We're going to terminate debate. It's two thirds It passes 88 percent We have 212 the affirmative 29 and the negative debate is terminated That brings us to the vote on the main article So once we run through the screens um I'm going to also assume that everybody has figured out where their name is And that they can find their name on their screen the first pass If that's not the case, um Let me know Okay, we're now going to take a vote on the main article on article five home rule legislation fossil fuel infrastructure If you want to pass the bylaw and send it off to the legislature as a home rule, please vote yes once mr. Karolski has finished Is clicking There we go. So you're voting Portal should be open at this point navigate back to the portal Hit refresh if you need to Vote one for yes two for no three to abstain and then cast your vote If you're having an issue the raised hands feature will be opened And mr. Karolski i'm going to um enter Verbally entered votes for uh miss marica pelka Miss kruppelka votes no and she said john lennard Mr. Leonard is voting yes Mr. Moderator yes, we've got two hands raised Okay, Adele crouse and janis weaver Okay, let's take Adele yes Miss crouse votes. Yes. Okay. So adam. Can we enter a verbal vote for miss crouse? And miss weaver Mr. Moderator, um, could you Um, please say the uh votes at the end of each um article If it's not too much trouble Uh, yeah declare what the vote is Yes, please. Yes, ma'am Thank you. That wasn't a voting issue, but I will do that. Uh, bethane Friedman has her hand up There's a problem with my voting screen. I vote yes But it's just thinking thinking thinking so I I think I have to reboot Okay Yeah, with your permission will enter enter your vote as a yes vote Thank you, mr. Thank you Does mr. Lowbell have a point of order and mr. Weinstein after mr. Lowbell Hi, this is josh. Lowbell precinct date just very briefly. Um, I know that uh many people have to resort to the verbal vote Um, but I think it gives them undue influence in a way when you announce it when the rest of our votes are not displayed So I don't there's a way around that but just something to consider Thank you, mr. Moderator. Okay, so I'll I'll try and wait to the very end of the vote before I do it and then Announce the two that I have The others I'm not sure what else we can do. We'll try that. Thank you. And mr. Weinstein has his hand up Yes, thank you, mr. Moderator Jordan Weinstein precinct 21 I'm just reporting on behalf of sylvia domingas a town meeting member that she's not been able to vote uh using the portal um And doesn't seem to be able to raise her own hand um If mr. Mingas could call the tech support people Um, she can get their phone numbers on the get help button. Yep Mr. Moderator, I just I just smoke with uh, sylvia and she's also okay. It's you think is she able to vote Yes, okay So we'll give sylvia a moment to vote because she still hasn't voted yet. So sylvia if you can go ahead and vote then we're gonna um Anne Fitzgerald michael brown sylvia and Have not voted so we'll wait give those three folks a second Mr. Moderator, julie brazil has her hand raised. Okay miss brazil julie brazil town clerk I do have a vote for miss Fitzgerald whenever you're ready We'll take her vote because i'm about to close voting. All right, uh, Anne Fitzgerald precinct 17 votes. Yes Very good. Thank you Mr. Moderator phil has a point of order phil goff Okay Mr. Goff, what's your point of order? And sylvia has now voted so mr. Goff. What's your point of order? phil goff precinct seven I'm just wondering Mr. Moderator for the sake of time and I know this may not be the most popular suggestion But for the sake of time Would it make sense for us to record the votes of those who are able to vote? And if the vote is close We then take the time to go through and do all the verbal votes Well, we would something passes by 90 percent. Is it really worth All the time we're taking to make sure everyone As it is to Thank you We are gonna we have to take everyone's vote before we close voting because once we close voting We can't go back in and manipulate the database And if they want to get their vote in so I don't think it really takes that much time, but I understand your point We'll see how it progresses with the meeting. So let's close voting at this point the emotion carries by 93 percent We have 225 in the affirmative eight in the negative And it's a vote and I so to clear it that ends article five Bring us to article six Very good. Thank you, sir. That's going to open up article six Mr. Herd, do you have anything to say about article six? Thank you. Mr. Moderator John Herd, select board chair Mr. Moderator, this is an article submitted by Jordan Weinstein and 10 registered voters as amended by the select board to create A study committee to evaluate the creation of a civilian police advisory board Or other alternative civilian based mechanism to address complaints about police interactions in Arlington The select board urges down meeting to adopt this article is comprised in the select board report The select board voted in favor of positive action five zero. Thank you. Mr. Moderator very much And we have two amendments It's miss keller her christa keller her with us Does she want to present her amendment? Miss keller her thank you Mr. Moderator christa keller her precinct five I offer this amendment to ensure that the study committee is constituted in a way that both draws on the expertise of town employees serving in key leadership roles And maintains the integrity and effectiveness of the committee First I'd like to thank select board members for their thoughtful deliberation on the article The improvements they proposed in terms of composition charge and timeline And their overall support of the establishment of this study committee It is essential to have the police chief or their designee and the diversity equity and inclusion director or designee Serve on the study committee as the input of such leaders will be invaluable Their participation is critical for a successful process To consider what if any type of civilian advisory or review board Might best serve all of the residents of arlington Their expertise and insights will allow for a more informed discussion because these individuals have unique vantage points So why should they assume non voting status on the study committee if they are so vital to its effectiveness? three reasons one affording them ex officio non voting status allows them to freely offer Perspectives and ideas without placing them in a position where they might perceive or experience pressure In regard to decision making it offers them a level of protection so that they are not placed in a vulnerable position Should they feel uncertain or conflicted about any issues or recommendations? It also allows them to offer their expertise without any questions or concerns about their autonomy or allegiances Second reason it could provide other members of the study committee a sense of comfort and perhaps even Assurance that they can participate Raise questions and weigh in on recommendations and decisions in a free and open manner It may as a result allow them to deliberate and vote without a concern about how their stance Might be in alignment with or different from that of these town leaders Finally third reason i'm offering it increases the likelihood that the study committee's process activities and recommendations will be accepted by the community at large Without raising questions or citing concerns about how recommendations were made and by whom or under what conditions So I kindly ask my fellow town meeting members tonight to act favorably on this amendment by adopting it. Thank you, mr. Moderator Mr. Foskett second Thank you, sir The second amendment we have is miss elizabeth drake Let's bring miss drake forward Miss drake. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Moderator um elizabeth drake precinct eight Mr. Moderator before I present my amendment with your permission. I'd like to make a request to strike two words from this amendment I don't know if this is possible Yes, it hasn't been submitted yet and seconded so it's still ah fantastic Would you like me to explain the words I would like stricken or how should yes, let's get rid of the words you don't want So we know what you're talking about. Okay, so um the um It says following the words I'm sorry. Um, the last paragraph of what is on the screen currently it asks for a representative with Prosecutorial or legal defense experience. I'd like to strike the words prosecutor prosecutor or please Okay, so you wanted to read and to include at least one representative with legal defense experience. Yes, please Okay Thank you, sir. Okay, uh With legal offense. Okay, so leaving the word with and getting rid of all right. So town meeting members, please um go to miss drake's amendment and strike out those words in her last With pros Prosecutorial or so would read one representative with legal defense, etc I go ahead and straight. Thank you I present this amendment to my fellow town meeting members for their consideration and support This amendment makes three small changes to what the select board has proposed Number one My amendment moves the appointment of the citizens police academy graduate to the purview of the town's diversity equity inclusion Or dei director or their designee? And my rationale is as follows the dei director is responsible for coordinating and supporting the work of the human rights commission The lgbtq ia plus rainbow commission and the disability commission She is also a core racial equity team member and in her role She promotes healthier communities advances racial equity and fosters community engagement These roles and her expertise make her uniquely positioned to understand the needs and concerns of Residents who as a group in general tend to have more frequent interaction with the police department The dei director can use her expertise and the lens of diversity equity and inclusion to best select a citizens police academy graduate Who will be most effective in this study group? Due to the different natures of their jobs I believe that this is a different lens than the police chief would use in choosing the representative This matters because it is imperative that if the study group ultimately recommends a police civilian Review board to town meeting it will need to be structured in such a way that the most marginalized groups in our community The groups who are most likely to interact with the police department trust it and use it A graduate of the citizen police academy who has both an understanding of the need for this trust As well as an understanding of the arlington police department will be crucial in building such a board and achieving achieving this goal My second change to the amendment is requires that this study group include and Include at least one individual with legal defense experience regarding police arrests or detainment Especially with regard to disadvantaged populations This language was added as feedback from several town meeting members who suggested that for efficacy and effectiveness I'm sorry efficiency and effectiveness At least one representative should have practical and professional legal knowledge and experience in the area that this committee will be charged with studying And my final change to this amendment replaces shall be encouraged to designate representatives Who reflect racial ethnic and other forms of diversity to be founded arlington to shell designate representatives While I realize that there is no likely enforceable effect between shell and shall be encouraged to I think that it is important to the long-term success of this study group to return to the stronger language found in the original article As proposed by mr. Weinstein in march I understand that this may make it a little more difficult and there will need to be more communication between the appointing authorities to achieve this goal However, I believe this increased effort will ultimately be worth it And should a civilian review board ultimately be recommended It will increase the likelihood that those who need it the most will trust it and use it Because it was created by such a diverse and independent group of residents Thank you town meeting members. Thank you. Mr. Moderator. Thank you. Mr. Ray team or yontar second Second. Thank you very much. Mr. Foskett Thank you. Mr. Moderator team work. Yontar precinct seven Uh tonight with dinner. I had a fortune cookie which offered these words of wisdom for town meeting Get to the point and keep it clear and simple So this is a vote about a study committee And in all my years, I have never heard Nor seen nor smelled an issue that was so dangerous It couldn't be talked about So yes, I'm for studying anything I will vote yes on this article And I also find the two amendments to be reasonable Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Yontar. Mr. Tremblay Ed Tremblay Thank you, Mr. Moderator. Ed Tremblay precinct 19 I'm just curious where the uh, I've heard that the police chief has uh, some sort of a uh review board in the works and I'm just curious, uh How Where in the process that is and What is made of? Chief uh chief flowerty with us Yes, I am Can you um enlighten mr. Tremblay me him? Thank you very much. Mr. Moderator and mr. Tremblay. Julie flowerty chief of police So, uh, I'd like to start off by saying that For the record that I am not opposed to civilian oversight I fully support governor bakers police Reformed bill police chiefs for years and years have been advocating That the commonwealth needs police certification And the governor's bill calls for a post system of police officers standard and training system including um civilian oversight And that would be a committee that would review all complaints against all police officers including allington officers so I understand and I Understand the perception and I understand the community's desire for reform But I I think article six is the wrong approach for allington. I support police reform and I also support the profession of policing um Police department has been one of the most progressive and transparent police departments not only in massachusetts, but in the country Our programs and methods have been copied across the nation from our jail diversion program, which i'm very proud to um To announce that our program just celebrated the 10th anniversary this past month Of success to our approach with the opiate opioid epidemic, which has been recognized nationally We're a model police department and um nation-wide police departments come to us to learn about our behavioral health programs So I would so I would say that we should look at trends and we should look at data The allington police department has not had an excessive force complaint in over 10 years. So that means that nobody has um complained about a police officer in allington using excessive force for 10 years We've had thousands and thousands of interactions community members We've received very few citizen complaints and we have a system in place for receiving complaints and for investigating them as well Um, we are an accredited police department. We're accredited by the massachusetts police accreditation commission this past month We just went through our assessment and uh, heard accreditation We've been accredited since 2008 and what that means is that um, it's a voluntary very time consuming process that ensures our policies And our procedures are in line with 21st century policing standards And not only that we have these policies and procedures on paper that we're in full compliance with them And I just like to say are we perfect? Absolutely not. We're not perfect But if you look at the data it suggests that we don't have a problem with the Excessively support and we don't have a problem with complaints from community members So i'm a new chief But i've worked in this community for 25 years 19 of those years i've worked on the leadership of chief Chief ryan retired chief ryan and under his leadership We have worked tirelessly to build trust to build strong relationships with community members to build strong partnerships And we did that through engagement by working with the community to problem solve i'm forming Mr. Trump with point i'm forming a chief's advisory committee That will provide a form for police and community interaction and discussion I recognize the value of feedback from our community members and i want to For the strength in those partnerships that we've worked so hard to form So i think in closing i just want to say that we have a very good police department And i'm very proud to have spent my career here and to Have the opportunity to lead it and i'm asking that i have a chance to lead it We have work to do when i recognize that and the entire police department recognizes that And we need the community to work with us I'll say it again. We're very transparent I have never refused an opportunity to meet with community members or An opportunity to listen and i'll continue to do that The commonwealth is addressing police We should let the issues with civil service on the issue of collective bargaining and the issues with We've worked out at the state level and not at our local level in alinson Thank you. Thank you. Yeah Thank you chief So i i still didn't get uh The chief didn't say what her Her review board would be made Who would be on it? What what entails her review board? Oh Jeff larry can you answer that specific question who would be on your review board? Oh, absolutely. So our review board would consist of members of the human rights commission A member of a lgbtq plus rainbow commission members Of our disability commission community stakeholders including residents and business owners students with an interest and In maintaining positive relationships with the police department The town council a member of the select board um and Right now i'm working on getting those invitation letters out and I hope to have that Up and running within the next few months Thank you very much chief larry Mr. Trembler, you have about a minute left. So I guess i'm going to make a i'll make a comment It seems to me that the uh the chief really is taking this pretty seriously and uh the makeup of her uh the review board that she's proposing sounds not that much different than than the The study committee here. So I I think it's probably not a bad thing just to let let her review review board form and and let's see how it works and we can always come back, you know next year or the year after and and and Establish another advisory board if if we think the chief's board is not working very well, but I'd say we shouldn't in in in the data ourselves with too many Too many review boards Thank you, mr. Moderator. Thank you, mr. Trembly Jordan Weinstein Excuse me. Yes. Thank you, mr. Moderator Jordan Weinstein precinct 21 um, just uh to let you know who I am. I am the author of record of article six That we're talking about right now that would set up a town meeting committee to study the efficacy the possibility of Whether or not our Arlington could use a civilian review board and have a bit more civilian oversight of its police department um, it goes without saying that first of all, I wanted to thank The select board and all of the organizations who have endorsed article six and support it uh alongside the chief of police police police's uh advisory board There's no reason why both can't coexist And once again, I want to emphasize this is a study committee, but it has been endorsed unanimously by the select board Um, it has been endorsed by the Arlington Human Rights Commission And also by the Envision Arlington Diversity task group. Um, I want to uh Express my thanks to the select boards for spending so much time in helping actually make An initial stab at this much better than it was originally. It was a much smaller Body, but that thanks to the select board's work. Um, it has been expanded And I want to point out that most of the seats Uh, that would be participating In this study committee are also part and parcel of the chief's advisory board um I don't see any reason why this a study committee like this would interfere in any way shape or form without the With what the chief is doing, but the particular difference. I want to point out between The chief's advisory uh commission Uh, as I understand it and what this study committee creates is first, this is a study Uh, second, it is studying whether there ought to be A body called a civilian review board that is independent of the police department to conduct independent um, and therefore Uh, what some might consider more trustworthy uh Examinations and investigations of complaints about our police force if the police force is doing so well, and I Have no reason to And no data to say it isn't so I agree with chief larity Then uh, there should be a welcome mat out for such, uh, at least examination into into this committee It would be independent of the police department again On excessive force. I want to point out is not the only way to measure one's police force, but temperament and the way uh, that the police interact with the citizens that they're Uh, they're sworn to protect and defend is also important I just want to say also that I do support both amendments as friendly amendments offered by christa kellerher and elizabeth drae And think that both help improve What will be I'm sure a very valuable and rewarding and productive Study committee. Thank you. Thank you, sir William berkowitz or quality management or similar titles to improve an organization this proposed independent study committee is not exactly that But I think it is designed and offered in the same spirit And that it should ultimately lead to a better police department That's because we're members of this committee sit down to discuss and exchange ideas with each other And with the public the chances are good that through that dialogue and interchange We will end up with a stronger apd So to me I see this article is very much pro police supportive of police services And of chief larity's remarks. I appreciate There's no downside in this study committee Which meaning that the study committee cannot of course change police practices It only recommend them if you like them we can accept them. We don't we won't So there's really nothing to lose but potentially quite a bit to gain And for these reasons I support this article And ask you to vote for its acceptance. Thank you Thank you, sir. And that was william berkowitz. We missed the very first part hill. That's why I announced that Um Christopher wilbur to police chief larity that relates to this article Believe it should be fairly self-explanatory Dear chief larity as a tmm from precinct three I'd like to give you a heads up that I intend to ask you about article six police civilian study group at the upcoming town meeting Specifically, I will ask you whether you have polled your officers on their opinions and feelings about the study group idea as proposed in this article My concern as a tmm is that the study group idea Will be pushed by its proponents as something that quote being only a study Can cause no harm But is this really true Specifically, I'm wondering how the prospect of this study might affect apd morale if it has not already done so And whether you think morale and trust are issues that should factor into this quote only a study context In theory, I suppose some officers might possibly support the Proposal as an opportunity to share and explore ideas that could prove constructive in town police relations going forward Other officers, I imagine might see such a study as more likely to become a vehicle for agitators trying to sow division between town and people That to the degree that it presumes an adversarial relationship between the two sides It might help instigate the very contentiousness. It purports merely to study If the latter is true Claims that it's only a study should perhaps be challenged Uh, I feel that uh discussion of article article six should take account of everyone's attitudes and fears An input from rank and file officers either it directly or indirectly should not be omitted or excluded I sent this to chief flarity. She responded very positively to it And she said that she was uh looking into it into into polling her Officers, so I would like to ask her now if she would care to comment On what she found and and the moral moral moral issues I've raised. Thank you. Mr. Thank you. Mr. Willow chief flarity. Can you answer mr. Wilbur's? inquiry The unions understand the climate and I believe right now they're focusing their energy on The state level unions across the Commonwealth are working with statewide coalition to make sure reforms put in place fairly As far as the warrant article there are Many unknowns and at this point they haven't commented because they don't know what's a recommendation But I I will say that that the police department should have input and should have Should have a voting member on the Doctor or an attorney go for any type of review. They're reviewed by their peers and it's only fair that All those doctors and attorneys would be reviewing them The governor's proposal includes law enforcement professionals as well as civilians But I would say that whatever the outcome Of this article all the members of the county police department will continue to practice fair and partial policing and can you continue to discuss them to Conduct themselves professionally as we always have Thank you chief Anything further mr. Wilbur No, thank you very much mr. Moderator. Thank you mr. Wilbur Phil goff Thank you, mr. Moderator phil goff precinct seven. I moved to terminate debate on both this article and the amendments before it Thank you Very good. Mr. Goff. Thank you very much. We have a motion to terminate debate second And that's been seconded The motion to terminate debate on the article and the two amendments before us. We're going to take that vote at this time Excuse me mr. Moderator. Yes, sir. Is that all one vote or yeah one vote? Because it's on the article and the motions determined and the two amendments to terminate debate. So it's one big vote So it's the motion to terminate debate Mr. Moderator Gordon Jamison has a point of order What's your point of order mr. Jamison? Thank you, mr. Moderator. Thank you, mr. Moderator Gordon Jamison precinct 12 my reading of the the vote and Ms. Keller's amendment Do not jive I believe her amendment needs to be corrected so that it's 17 and two and 15 or The vote the vote has um 17 and two and 15 And she has 15 and two and 13 Oh Study that right now while we vote on the terminate debate. Okay. Thank you, mr. Moderator. Okay. Thank you And if mr. Heim can look at that as well So tom meeting members we have We have a motion to terminate debate. So voting is enabled to terminate debate um, so miss wayman, please reduce raise hands for Voting issues if you can't vote or do anything else call miss brazil 7 81 316 3071 tom meeting members Please go back to the Voting portal hit refresh page And you should get your voting screen one ts terminate debate to to note continue the debate And then hit Cast your vote after you've Mr. Moderator roger collin Yeah, maryon Okay, a few people are raising their hand. Okay. Let's start with roderick and go to maryon then larry Um, I have fixed my problem, but for the longest time the uh terminate debate Vote was not enabled. Okay. Yep. That's the refresh page button roderick. Uh, Yeah, I hit that 15 times. Oh, I guess 16 was the magic number. It sure was. Thank you miss king maryon king yes, I have um Read out that says error establishing database connection So hit the refresh page button I think the very top I think I did that already Try that again because I just had that same issue Okay, well, how would you vote maryon? Determinate the debate. I'm trying again. Oh, I've got it now. Okay. Perfect. Thank you Um, let's take Who was left? Oh, mr. Brazil has a vote I believe Yes, uh, julie brazil town clerk I have uh Diane mahan precinct 14's vote on this motion to terminate Yes, and how would miss vahan vote? Yes, to terminate. Okay We have six people who have not yet voted um Steven Ford the door paluso carol and sullivan lea broader Peter gast and laura tracy If those four six people could vote we'll give you another 10 seconds Mr. Moderator julie is raising your hand again. Okay Let's see what julie has to say then we're going to close voting afterwards julie brazil town clerk Adele crouse precinct six votes. Yes to terminate debate We also have lea broader as well. Okay Let's see what lea has to say I have voted my screen shows. It's been recorded. I'm not sure if there's a problem No, I'm showing you have voted. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, it's probably just a refreshed issue on my page Okay to cross in the ether world All right, let's see um that should terminate let's close voting And 76 it is a positive vote to terminate debate We have Two in the affirmative 58 in the negative That's 76 percent. It's a two-thirds vote to terminate. So the debate is terminated To mr Jameson's point of order. I see what you're mean mr. Jameson Mr. Heim do you see the issue that mr. Jameson pointed out that mr. Mr. Moderator dug hind town council. Yes, I may just um for the sake of efficiency Try to correct the amendment. Um, I think it's very clear what its intent is and it must Miss keller has an objection. Um, I think I can fix it relatively quickly Before town meeting. Okay. Yes, if you would then we'll um just get miss keller hers thumbs up on that So julie bring up miss keller her while Doug tells us how to fix this so Members of town meeting miss keller's motion Where it says under section 1a It should read 15 members Four of whom shall be non-voting ex officio members Um, and if you refer to the it's actually probably a little bit easier to refer to the main motion If you look at the main motion, essentially what We're doing is um moving Two items from voting members Up into the non voting members category the chief of police That's on page 11 of the select board report And the diversity equity inclusion director or their designee So all we're doing in this in this motion to my understanding is moving them up from section 1a roman numeral 2 to section 1a roman numeral 1 and changing out the word 15 shall be voting members to 13 Shall be voting members and changing the word Uh, and number two of whom shall be non-voting members To four of whom shall be non-voting members. So again Miss keller's motion to my understanding is simply taking the chief of police and the director of equity and inclusion Uh, out of the list of voting members and moving them into ex officio members The number of committee members in total shouldn't change But the number of ex officio members should change from two to four And the voting members changes from 15 to 13 Unless uh, miss keller has a correction to to my understanding of the motion Okay, miss keller. Did you hear uh, mr. Hinds. Yes, christa keller her precinct five. Thank you for the correction That you're making to the amendment. I accept it and I appreciate it. Okay, very good. And um, Mr. Foske it will second that Second, okay So we're just moving some people around okay, so If town meeting members first we're going to vote on miss keller hers amendment Then We're going to vote on Miss draze amendment And then depending upon how those two votes go we'll vote on the uh, main Motion of the select board either as they wrote or as amended. So first we're going to take a vote on miss keller hers amendment changing people around From voting to non voting And changing the police of chief chief police To the diversity equity inclusion coordinator. So let's Open voting I'm sorry, john. This is the town council. I apologize for may I be recognized sir? Yes, sir Yeah, I'm sorry. Just maybe I misheard you but just to be clear This amendment is changing the chief of police and the director of equity and inclusion By diversity equity inclusion from voting members to non voting correct. Thank you, sir. Yeah Okay, all in favor of miss keller help is it voting is open for miss keller hers amendment If you want to miss keller hers amendment to the main motion, please vote one for yes If you don't want it for two for no and then on your voting page click One for yes two for no and then cast your vote If you are having an issue voting, please raise your hand Or fall else fails call miss Brazil miss brazil has a vote. I believe Julie brazil town clerk. Yes. I have the vote for a del crouse precinct six How does miss crouse vote? She votes yes on this amendment. Thank you very much We have 10 members who have not voted Lisa reynolds steven stephanie ford weems patricia costa jane howard ted paluso claire johnson and james detulio If those members would please take a moment and vote I'm going to give them another 15 seconds to vote His three down members have not voted yet. I don't see any members in tech support. I see everybody up Okay, um, let's close voting on miss keller hers amendment Miss keller hers amendment passes by 68 percent in total We have a vote of 162 in the affirmative and 70 70 negative amendment passes I'm going to run through the screens then we'll vote on miss draes amendment So if you'll refresh miss drae is Changing the composition of the task of the study committee very good. Let's go article six Drae there you go Okay, tom meeting members, please navigate to your portal page refresh your page Vote one for yes two for no and then Click cast your vote and miss wayman will open the race hand feature in zoom For if you have a voting issue and mr. Detulio has his hand raised Uh, james detulio precinct 12 mr. Moderator, would it be possible to have? Oh, yep, that was going to be my question just to have the amendment up while we're voting Right. He had to go through the um the screen or two to get there But we are going to try and do that and show you the amendments and the motions while the voting goes on Thank you. Thank you, sir Mr. Moderator julie brazil has her hand raised. Oh, okay That's how what julie has to say. How does miss cross vote? Julie brazil town clerk. Yes. Adele cross precinct six votes. Yes on this amendment Okay Getting faster at that. Mr. Korolski Okay, we have 16 members who have not yet voted if you'll please take a moment and vote at this time John diced nada el wahat new why new why Oh gosh, sorry nada nada el wahee uh, Stephanie forward weems patricia costa hether cook susan mccabe michael stern neomy greenfield and ted paluso If you guys would please take a second and vote Excuse me. Mr. Moderator susan mccabe has her hand raised. Okay Hi there susan mccabe from precinct nine I I just have a spinning wheel on my voting page And a blank in the field where it says your vote has been recorded. Um, so it's not accepting my vote Okay, so why don't you give us to us right now? Okay. It's a yes Yes, so susan mccabe precinct nine will vote. Yes, mr. Korolski and susan You may want to just refresh up at the top in the um windows address bar Sure. I've been doing that. I may have to reboot or something. Okay. Thank you. Yeah Okay, so if the four lost three people who have not yet voted can please vote Nada Stephanie and ted We're going to give you 10 seconds to do that as soon as adam's done with his vote. Oh, he's done. Okay five seconds left Okay, let's close voting on mr. Ray's amendment Mr. Ray's passes by 62 148 in the affirmative 90 in the negative Okay, as soon as we're done with that, we're going to take a vote on the main motion has Printed in the select board's report as amended by miss keloher's amendment and mr. Ray's amendment He's now going to take a Vote on the main article as amended by those two amendments both of which were successful So your voting portal is now open Tom any members, please go to the voting portal hit page refresh and then You will be on the main Motion as amended on article six is printed in the select board's report one for yes Two for no and then hit cast your vote If you're having a voting issue, please use the raise hand feature in zoom, which miss wayman has opened for us We have mr. Ray has raised her hand Yes, i'm sorry. Uh, mr. Moderator clisped ray precinct eight. I got kicked out. I would like to record a vote of yes, please Okay, mr. Ray. Thank you Miss Preston Miss Preston Can you hear me now? Yes, I can I got kicked out also and I'd like to vote yes Okay, so your joanne Preston priesting gate is nine nine recording a Yes vote Thank you. Thank you If you got kicked out just hit the page refresh it will bring you back um It's just a function of everybody Going to the portal and hitting refresh at the same time it causes a um kicks you out It's a database issue just hit page refresh and you should get your screen back Just participate if you have to and get to the voting screen Hi susan mccabe Hi, i'm all set. I did what you said. Um, I got booted out, but I managed to refresh again. I'm all set. Thank you Mr. Tosti Yes, I got kicked out also out of the portal entirely. I'd like to record my vote is no No, okay Mr. Moderator Julie brazil, uh, sorry one moment Um, well, miss brazil does whatever she's doing. Let's get susan stamps Um, yes, mr. Moderator. I'm having the same problem. I got kicked out and there was no way to refresh my screen Okay, I'll vote. Yes. Okay. We'll record your vote miss stamps try. Um Just reloading it totally And finally mr. Bill berkowitz Mr. Moderator julie brazil Town clerk. Yes I have uh a vote for Adele kraus precinct six And how does miss kraus vote? Yes. Yes. Thank you Okay, we have 15 members who have not yet voted if you could please take your moment Go ahead and vote and at this time. I'm going to enter the votes for uh, mr. Leonard Mr. Leonard votes Yes, and miss kruppelka votes no Mr. Moderator, I think william berkowitz is um has a question. Yes, mr. Berkowitz Just want to make sure my vote was recorded Um, hold on I'm showing you have not voted yet. Mr. Berkowitz Can I I can't get into the portal right now? Could I be verbally recorded as a yes, please? Yes ma'am. Yes, sir We'll enter you as a yes vote william berkowitz There you go all right for last uh seven town meeting members you have, um peter young paul marshal brian mcmurray ellen reedy asia capca And ted paluso have not voted yet a few people will please take a Moment to vote at this time And we're going to give you 15 seconds to do that five seconds Times up. Okay. Let's close voting. Mr. Karolski The motion as amended passes margin 85 percent we have 205 in the affirmative 36 in the negative it's a vote and I so declare it and that ends article six brings us to article seven We have a bylaw met article seven is a bylaw amendment To the envision arlington to update their language As soon as we finish with the screens, we'll go to the next article and yet article seven invasion arlington Yes, it's 945. I'm sorry I don't have the big clock telling me it's 9 30. So I keep forgetting to do the break Um, let's take a five minute break to give um our staff and all of you five a few minutes to rest When we come back, we're going to take up article seven. Thank you miss sullivan for reminding me And so it's a five minute break folks. We'll see you in five minutes Um, okay tell meeting members. We're about to restart. There's two, um things that I wanted to remind you of One is I should have done this at the beginning of the meeting but I was reminded by the board the library Board of trustees that miss joysford dosha has been on the committee on the library board of trustee for 40 years So we're all going to give give joys a high five there for 40 years of service to the town of the library committee And I also want to remind everyone that there's a more more real procession tomorrow at 7 30 p.m. Or a.m. Mr. Uh chapter lane for um Mr. Moderates john herd. It's okay. It's a m. Yep. Okay. There's a And that's right down mass app. Mr. Herd Ah, yes, I believe so it's coming from handsome air forest base as they drive Into west rock rocks very oh, okay So tomorrow morning at 7 30 a.m. There's a memorial procession For um chief warrant officer second class marwak gabbard If um all of you who could get out to mass staff while they drive through town It would really be appreciated by his family. Thank you, mr. Herd Okay, so we have first and I'll list mr. Greg christiana Greg you out there. Maybe you thought it was a 15 minute break. Well, the co-chair of the committee is um Oh great. Yeah, it just connected. Thank you, mr. Moderator. Greg christiana precinct 15 Scott lever and I are the co-chairs of envision Arlington and we present article seven tonight Uh, this article proposes light editing of the language in the town bylaws related to envision Arlington to bring the wording of the statements up to date Uh, we propose replacing the word citizen with a more inclusive term resident and update two of the titles to include commonly used terms uh environment and sustainability And diversity equity and inclusion This article also updates the name of vision 2020 to envision Arlington in the town bylaws to reflect the change Uh in name voted at the 2018 town meeting Uh, we propose we propose changing the label used to describe the statements going forward Statements of community values are more descriptive of their true function than using the word goals The bylaw would continue to call on town officials to consider these statements when establishing policies The term goal is now commonly used to describe something achievable with a specific period of time Uh, and I hand it over to scott the other co-chair So scott lever. Yes, so we have to bring scott forward Hello, mr. Rock mr. Rock moderant john. Can you hear us? Yeah scott lever precinct a co-chair Of envision Arlington. So, um, our recommendation is that the statements formally called Goals remain relatively fixed these are the results of years of public input and uh, the use of trained facilitators working with um Arlington residents The statements as they are broadly stated are entire are are intended to inspire future work We've served us very well for 30 years We don't intend to change those. We believe that they should only be changed with significant public input To summarize, um, we're proposing minor editing to the to the language Greg has covered most most of the elements just to repeat We're intending to use term community members and resonance and changing two titles to the more commonly used terms environment and sustainability and diversity equity and inclusion and uh, finally and maybe most importantly We're changing the name of what was formerly called vision 2020 to envision Arlington for Probably obvious reasons Thank you. Mr. Rotterator. Thank you. Mr. Lever lever. Sorry John Ellis John Ellis precinct three. I moved to terminate debate Okay, we have motion to terminate debate in the article Oh, and I just want one more thing scott. Did you want to mention the uh, administrative change or shall I mention that? Um, you go ahead, Greg. Okay Uh, yeah, so, uh, I apologize for the late notice. Um We wanted to make an administrative change based on feedback that we got since monday night, uh, which would This would change Let's see under Let me just pull it up here. Sorry Under article one of the town bylaws, uh, the second sentence We would like to change that to strike and To our to replace it with our like we value our active and compassionate And then striking citizenry and replacing with community members Um, and then delivering services and uh striking in our community and replacing with two residents Hold on a second And what was the last one? Is that in that same article one? That's an article one of the town bylaws, correct. So what is what was the third one? Uh, striking the last three words in our community and replacing with two residents So, uh, what you're proposing is to make an administrative change To the second sentence that it would now read we value our active and compassionate community members volunteers and programs delivering services to Residences I'm sorry and continuing to uh to strike volunteers and programs. You want to strike volunteers and programs as well So We value our active and compassionate community members delivering service to residences Correct, uh to residents, correct residents Did you get that miss brazil? Yes, I did. Thank you. Mr. Moderator. Thank you, ma'am Um, yeah, we can make that change If mr. Fosk, it will second it That can okay, so we're going to make that administrative change um We have a motion Mr. Hyme has his hand raised. Let's see what dug half this has to say Thank you, mr. Moderator. I just want to clarify something just so it's clear on the record This is a vote of town meeting that we're amending. It's basically a charter for vision arlington It's not an amendment to the town bylaws Okay, this is revision arlington's charter not the bylaws Okay I'm sorry. I should clarify. There's there's there's one section of the bylaw that gets Sort of updated but some of the language here is an update to the um The charter vote. Mm-hmm. There's a smaller section. That's uh under article 15 of the town bylaws. Okay, very good I see that up top. Okay We have a motion to terminate debate by mr. Ellis. Let's take his uh motion Second Thank you. So fosk it So voting is now enabled town meeting members. Uh, please navigate to the voting portal Select one for yes to terminate debate Select two for no and He had cast your vote And miss wayman has raised use the raised hand feature on zoom if you have a voting issue it looks like We don't have anybody in Tech support right now So a good there if you having an issue voting up miss. Kate leary has raised her hand. Hey, yeah, it's not um registering Your vote. Yeah. Yeah, it's like just a beach ball, you know, okay. So how would you vote miss? Yes, yes Thank you. Thank you If you have an issue continue to get back to us to new to forbs has her hand up Yeah, I'm having the same thing. I think I don't know if the system is overloaded, but I'm getting this is my first problem But I vote yes to terminate debate Okay, it's the new to forbs um Precinct 10 we have And pamela hallet Precinct 21 Mr. Moderator julie brazil town clerk. Yes, ma'am. I have a vote for pam hallett Okay She votes yes to terminate debate. Okay. Pam also has her hand up That's probably because she had a voting problem. Okay Yep, she put it down. I also have a vote for adel kraus Okay, how does miss kraus vote? She votes yes to terminate debate. Very good. Okay ed trembling and alert Richard gallagher jennifer sus Have not voted yet if you guys could take a vote is about five of you left We're going to give you 15 seconds on the motion to terminate debate Terminating debate and we're terminating voting. So let's close voting Terminating debate passes by a 96 margin. We have 231 in favor and 10 Against so debate is terminated and run through the screens. Then we're going to take the vote on the main motion As we administratively amended it seven And mr. Klein has a point of order And voting is enabled So time meeting members, please navigate to the voting portal vote one for yes two for no And cast your vote mr. Klein, what's your point of order christian klyne precinct tan Just before we take the final vote if you could read the administrative correction one last time. Thank you Okay, very good near the bottom of the Recommended vote of the on the board of select the select boards page under there says article one community The second line Will read we value our active and compassionate community members delivering services to residents Is that clear sir? Yes, thank you. Thank you so we have 67 people who have not voted yet. Please go ahead and Log in to the voting page hit refresh your page one for yes Two for no and then cast your vote Mr. Moderator julie brazil town clerk. Yes, ma'am. I have a vote For a del crouse. She votes yes for the article very good. Thank you And while we're there, let's do mr. Leonard and mr. Carpelka He votes yes, and mr. Carpelka likewise votes yes Okay, six people have not voted yet Paul schlickman carol and murphy Mara Collins and Ted Paluso has not been active for 31 minutes So we're just going to wait on paul and mara. We're going to get paul and mara 15 seconds like mara voted and paul voted. Okay. Let's close voting Vision our link to passes 99 percent. We have in the s 242 in the affirmative Three in the negative That's a vote. I so declare it and that closes article seven Okay, that brings us to article eight acceptance of legislation municipal afford affordable housing trust fund Mr. Hurd, do you wish to speak to the article? Sure. Thank you, mr. Moderator john Hurd select board chair This article was inserted by the select board to enact a new bylaw to create an affordable housing trust fund as developed and recommended by the housing plan implement implementation committee And finance committee this article advances the town's goals of combating the housing affordability crisis in allington By creating much needed affordable housing units The select board voted in favor of positive action five zero. Thank you, mr. Moderator. Thank you very much We have two amendments Mr. John gersh Mr. Gersh hasn't raised his hand. I'm hoping mr. Gersh is around to introduce his amendments Mr. Gersh There he is And thank you, mr. Moderator john Gersh precinct 18 mr. Moderator I moved to amend the recommended vote of the select board Establishing a bylaw for an affordable housing trust fund under article eight as submitted and further mr. Moderator I move that my motion be divided into three separate amendments for three separate votes. Please. Thank you Thank you very much second second Okay, mr. Gersh you wish to speak to your article. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Let me start by saying I support the trust Our director of planning Jenny rate has laid out lofty even aspirational goals for the Affordable housing trust fund. I trust her and therefore I support the creation of this trust fund There's just a couple of details. We need to fix to strengthen the original article So firstly I'm recommending that the income eligibility threshold be 60 percent of area median income or AMI as opposed to 80 percent of AMI for rentals At 80 percent AMI Ranges as high as $95,000 for a family of four and that's not particularly affordable If we're going to walk the talk of welcoming diversity and inclusion creating opportunities for lower income residents Then maxing out at 60 percent is better than 80 percent of AMI for rentals And the new and there's a new amendment up tonight for discussion that could raise this threshold Up to 100 percent of AMI which could open the trust up to funding apartments Costing $3,000 a month and that's the wrong direction. Please support the Gersh amendment And secondly, let's please retain some level of local control I believe that those who approve the spending of town funds should be residents of Arlington Including representatives of local housing organizations And finally, I'm asking you To restrict the use of the trust fund to uses Other than supporting developers seeking a state law chapter b comprehensive permit 40 b developers who gain this status Are given a free pass to ignore almost all of our wetland conservation and other bylaws such as height setbacks and open space They may cannibalize our scarce industrial areas And which are key to reducing the 94 town tax burden on residential properties You feel this in your tax bill And the units can revert to market rate In what is called expiring use Furthermore, they will take 20 percent in profit right off the top and sometimes considerably more Our state inspector general Gregory Sullivan has stated that 40 b developers are routinely Able to profit above and beyond what is allowed by law to the detriment of taxpayers municipalities and local efforts to produce affordable housing those are his words 40 b developers build primarily luxury Market rate units And we do not need to give them our trust fund dollars as profit We should keep this money in arlington For affordability that cannot expire Via a 40 b exception We can achieve planning director rates stated vision For the creation of affordable housing handsomely By funding our housing corporation and housing authority Rehabilitating existing structures and so forth The planning director's goal is to be able to respond quickly to opportunities that arise often smaller properties 40 b developments can be the exact opposite Slow large and complex big enough to wipe out the trust fund They have access to traditional funding methods for example At 20 west minster the housing corporation used a million dollars In cdbg and cpa funds affordable not controversial And at 60 percent of am i i might add the hca standard 40 b developments such as the mu gar parcel are often contentious and divisive and while 40 b Has been on the books for 50 years Massachusetts remains 47th out of 50 among the states in the production of affordable housing We have an incredibly rare opportunity here for a pure affordability play Don't tell me this can't be done 40 b is not The mu gar parcel they be contentious and ugly there are plenty of ways to use these dollars to their maximum potential Other than 40 b Please support the creation of the arlington affordable housing trust fund Only as amended by the gersh amendment. Thank you Thank you. Mr. Gersh. Mr. Foskett has a point of order Yes, mr. Moderator. I think I may have jumped the gun on the second thing the motion before Does mr. Gersh have is he expect votes on three separate parts or is it just one amendment? He's asking us to divide the question into three separate amendments Has he or i'm not clear. Yes. That's what he is. He's requesting three separate votes one on each one two and three That's what I seconded. Thank you. Yes. Thank you The next is an amendment by Karen keller her Yes, miss keller. Thank you, mr. Moderator Karen keller precinct five and a member of the housing plan implementation committee I would like to make a motion to amend the proposed new bylaw To amend the purpose section to modify The language that is referred to For the definition of affordable housing You can see the text of the amendment on the screen The motion is to replace the purpose section. The change is really just in changing the words affordable housing as defined in The zoning bylaw to the language you see on the screen Preservation and creation of community housing in the town of Arlington as such term is defined in section two of master law chapter 44 be the community preservation act Second. Thank you, mr. Foskett Thank you very much Mr. Gersh's amendment identified Potential confusion that might result from the language of the original bylaw as proposed It referred to an 80 percent of area median income limit But when one referred to the zoning bylaw there's some language there that is somewhat confusing that mr. Gersh includes in his amendment Which includes the 60 percent for rental housing and 80 percent of area median income for Home ownership I'd like to propose an alternative way to clarify that that maximizes the flexibility of the trust My amendment Would essentially refer to the community preservation act or the cpa Which is a flexible definition which already governs certain town investments in affordable housing made by the community preservation act committee Including the one mr. Gersh referred to And the housing corporation of Arlington property on westminster avenue that definition Um is on is not shown in the amendment But thank you very much for putting up the community preservation act language Community housing is the term used in that law And it is defined as low and moderate income housing for individuals and families including low or moderate income senior housing And mr. Gersh is correct that this definition is a little more flexible Than the definition he's proposing And it would allow the trust if it wanted to To use funds to create housing that goes up as high as 100 percent of area median income Doesn't in any way require the trust to ever do that, but it gives it the flexibility to do it should it want to That flexibility currently exists For cpa funds as well, but as mr. Gersh pointed out those funds have typically been used to subsidize lower income units I have And personally likely to strongly prefer Placing a high priority on serving lower income households in arlington's affordable housing strategies However, I strongly urge this body To maintain as much flexibility as possible in the bylaw that governs this trust I say that as someone who has spent um about 20 more than 20 years developing and financing Dozens of affordable housing projects the vast majority of them include at least 50 affordable housing And the vast majority of those units have been at or below 60 of area median income and very often with A requirement that some be at 30 or 50 percent of area median income So I have no difference with mr. Gersh and his hope that our Use of this trust will drive Production of housing that's affordable to a wide range of people who really are not served here And that might include some slightly higher income people, but it's not My it's not my intent that we focus our efforts there. However In all of those transactions that i've worked on I'm uh well aware that developing affordable housing is incredibly complex and difficult if this trust fund is successful We will be using it to cause the creation and preservation of a wide range of units at a wide range of income levels with many Subsidy sources the vast majority of affordable housing transactions include Six seven sometimes more than 10 different sources Those different sources typically are state and federal funds Sometimes even private funds that include different regulatory requirements and the transactions are incredibly complex flexible funding that can be used To fund different things in the same transaction is very very valuable to be able to bring to the table I've seen this happen in many many different ways I'm going to give you just one example That sort of points to why it might be useful to be able to subsidize housing at a slightly higher rate I worked on a project. This is quite some time ago in the town of weston It was a 40 b project It was actually a family that had excess land that wanted to develop affordable housing in the town supported it So in that respect, it was a friendly 40 b Though it was opposed by some neighbors that project included Because of the context it had Um six affordable units that were developed without any town subsidy Because it was a 40 b and because 40 b essentially Requires a market rate developer To pay for the cost of affordable housing and that is what is actually the power of 40 b It produces affordable housing units Which cost a lot to produce Without subsidy sometimes it is also used By affordable housing developers for other purposes. I'm going to get to that in a minute But in this particular project in weston there were excess development fees Excuse me. There were excess development proceeds And it is in fact true that there is a 20 percent There is a limit on developer fees in 40 b projects And i'm not going to get into the issue that mr Gersh has raised about that but there is a limit and it's a real limit and it is typically Not problematic. There has not been widespread abuse of that notwithstanding that in this project we had excess fee Funding and we used it to create two moderate income units And some additional funds were required to make that financially feasible And those funds they they didn't happen to come. I don't think from a trust fund, but they Came in and subsidized units that were moderating communities that were just a bonus on top of the affordable units that were already structured into that deal That kind of flexibility is what I hope our trust fund can have The definition that i'm proposing is the definition that is accepted and used right now by the community preservation act committee If it can if it's adequate for them and they can be trusted to have that flexibility as they allocate our affordable housing funds The trustees of this trust should also have that flexibility With respect to mr. Gersh's amendments Um, I've spoken to the first one. I don't have particularly strong feelings on his second amendment which relates to residency of the trustees as currently written the only Way that a non resident could be a trustee of the trust would be if that person were to be a representative Of a housing organization working in town personally, it doesn't trouble me if The executive director of the housing corporation of arlington who spends Their days working to create affordable housing in arlington if they happen to live in medford It doesn't trouble me, but I don't have strong feelings about that amendment I do have strong feelings about his third amendment Which seeks to prevent the trust from investing in properties permanent under chapter 40 b I know that arlington has had some very difficult experiences and continues to have difficult experiences with developers proposing 40 b projects that don't align with what the what the towns development desires are That does happen With 40 b, but 40 b is also used Proactively by municipalities and by affordable housing developers to streamline the permitting process And the westminster ab project that mr. Gersh referred to is actually an example of that A project like that, which is creating affordable housing using 40 b Should be eligible for trust support if needed for financial feasibility. Mr. Gersh's amendment would make that not possible I've worked on a number of friendly 40 bs in many towns throughout the commonwealth In addition, though Trust funding could give the town leverage to negotiate for more low-income units than 40 b itself would require Or to target those units to be affordable to lower-income households in a 40 b project proposed by a for-profit developer So for example the myrack Property that's currently has a 40 b proposal at the town if we had this trust existing We had significant funds in it. We might be able to use those funds to leverage more affordability in a development that's preceding For those reasons I I oppose mr. Gersh's third amendment Very strongly and I would urge you not to take tools out of the toolbox Before the trust even gets formed. I think the issues mr. Gersh is raising deserve A longer discussion And the town should be having that discussion in the context of The process by which the trust if it's created would develop its action plan And that would need to go to the select board And there are going to be numerous opportunities for public participation in those conversations and those issues are complex and they deserve a very comprehensive conversation We shouldn't be taking tools off the table before that happens Most importantly, I hope you'll vote yes to approve the establishment of the arlington affordable housing trust fund And in doing so join 115 cities and towns that have created a housing trust fund to proactively advance their own affordable housing agenda Support the diversity of their community and control their own future. Thank you very much Thank you very much. Ms. Kelleher Mr. Sanjay Newton Oh, mr. Yontar has a point of order So hold on sanjay. We have to hear what team was uh yontar's point of order is first Thank you, mr. Moderator team work hi yontar racing seven I think it's highly important that we are all clear about what we're voting on and including the amendments and what I heard mr. Foskett say was that Mr. Gersh's amendment is actually three amendments And so we have amendments one two and three for mr. Gersh and a fourth one From miss keller. Is that correct? That's correct. We get to voting. I'll have four separate votes on the amendments Mr Because mr. Gersh is one Is diametrically opposed or not diametrically, but It changes the same language miss keller her. So you're really going to vote And I'll explain this all when it gets to the point of voting Yeah, thank you Sanjay Good evening, mr. Moderator sunday Newton precinct 10 um, I I'm speaking this evening to to urge people to As miss keller her mentioned leave the tools in the toolbox you know 40 b does not have to be a dirty word right we can use that tool proactively You know without a for-profit developer there are lots of other ways that that 40 b could be used you know Removing that possibility is Just for closing an opportunity for us to create affordable housing down the road So, thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Uh, Barbara Thornton Yes, thank you very much. I too am very much in favor of this name is precinct. Oh, uh, Barbara Thornton precinct 16 Sorry, mr. Moderator. Yep. I too Rise to speak in very much in favor of this. This is a wonderful opportunity for the town of Arlington To develop a housing trust to get money to and this board If the tools are left in the toolbox Uh, can be very flexible about what they can do to help resolve the problems with Affordability and housing and housing diversity in Arlington So please vote yes and please vote no on the gersh amendments. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, annie la court annie la court precinct 15 Um, I don't think I can make a better speech than Karen did in terms of the general need for this fund and For the reasons to Turn down mr. Gersh's Uh, amendments. I do have one quick question. Um, I worked with al-tasty on the finance committee on the language of this amendment. Um, and one of the things that we did was we requested that Uh, members of the board or other representatives of both the hca and the a ha be considered for membership on the board of the trust And so that's why the phrase was added That I think mr. Gersh is concerned with where Some of those members or somebody went into the position to serve as a representative of hca might not necessarily be a resident of arlington so my question is whether mr. Gersh's intent is to prevent A future director of hca who actually lives in medford from serving on the trust And and and to request of preteps town council through the moderator Whether or not the language as it stands would Open us up to having members of the trust who are not residents of the town and not representatives of housing Organizations like the housing trust and a ha that actually do all their work in arlington Okay, so mr. Gersh does your Amendment to Prevent anybody but arlington residents from serving in the trust That is the intention of my Article two that we retain that level of local control Okay, thank you very much. There was nothing in the that I saw in that other in the other wording preclude other people then of the local local organizations from From getting a seat on the on the trust board Okay So, um, then you had a question for mr. Heim. Yes, and whether or not the the wording of the article as written amendment Okay, opens us up to having members of the board of trustees other than representatives of organizations that obviously have a local stake like hca residents of other towns on the board is that implied by that wording are we do have we left a Barn door open here Thank you, mr. moderator duck heim town council So the wording for folks Can bring up the vote says the voting members shall include a member of the select board designated by the select board And six members appointed by the select board The voting members shall be residents or representatives of local housing organizations May have relevant experience in the field of real estate, etc So the base criteria for the six members appointed by the six voting members Appointed by the select board or that they either have to be residents or that they have to be representatives of local housing organizations I don't see a way for somebody who's not a representative of a local housing organization Who's a non resident to be on the board under this criteria that answers mr. Court's question I believe it does. Thank you very much. Thank you I want to strongly urge everyone Sorry, no, I just said thank you, sir I was thinking Um, I want to strongly urge everyone to vote down all of mr. Grish's amendments I don't think that it's necessary in terms of the makeup of the board and I think his other amendments Reduce the flexibility of the housing trust and that flexibility is very important I think what Karen was trying to say is that Money is leverage and for any affordable housing project that comes into Arlington however it arrives If we have money that we can put on the table. We have leverage To make that project be what the town of Arlington needs according to the housing plan that the trust will put together I do urge that you vote for the trust Trust Hopefully unamended except perhaps by miss kellerhurst amendment, which I think is correct But uh vote for the trust nevertheless, we really need this tool. Thank you very much. Um, Thank you, mr. Court. Uh, mr. Tully who have a point of order Thank you, mr. Moderator it it appears to me that when the Timer goes away by virtue of the article or emotion being presented on the screen that the timer stops counting Uh Is is it possible to keep the timer running while there are other things visible on the screen? It I think it does count in the background, but I've been Using my wristwatch as well I timed a couple of the last speakers and that would not seem consistent with my my timing So just just an observation Okay, I'll um keep an eye on that because it's supposed to run in the background. Joe. Thank you. Yeah, we'll we'll figure that out Thank you, sir Mr. Bob marlin robert marlin Thank you, mr. Moderator I moved to terminate debate robert marlin precinct three Look at oak. We have a motion to terminate debate on the article And mr. Marlin on all issues before us on the article including the amendments Yes, including the amendments. Very good. Thank you So I have a motion to terminate debate on the article and all Issues before including the amendments. So we're gonna set that up Just moderator a second motion. Thank you very much, mr. Kavosk it Okay, so time meeting members Go back to your voting portal And we hit refresh screen if you have to and then Click one for yes to terminate debate to to know to keep the debate going And then hit cast your vote if you're having a voting issue miss wayman has brought up the ability to raise hand in zoom or Call miss brazil seven eight one three one six three zero seven one bill ford has a hand raised truly Mr. Ford are you having a voting issue? I'm new to myself. Sorry about that Um, I'm having trouble with my portal. I vote no Very good. We'll enter that vote for you Thank you Ford william Mr. Weinstein has a point of order I'm sorry. That was a mistake. Very good, sir Mr. Moderator john warden has a point of order Okay, oak Mr. Warden Hello, can you hear me? Yes, ma'am. Yes. Um my computer Picked me out So I I'm speaking on john's computer. I just want to raise a point of order I have served for 12 years trying to get an affordable housing trust fund I have certain points. I desperately want to make About the trust fund and the miss warden. Yes. I have not been that's not that's not a point of order You're you're continuing debate ma'am. I think debate well if it well If it's not to terminate debates not debatable If the terminate loses, then you'll get to make your point Thank you, ma'am John come on Okay, if 19 people left to vote if you'll please take a minute to go Catherine Radville, Stephanie Ford Wiens, brian reirich William Ford voted verbally larry derringer Samantha dutra caroline murphy judson pierce Patricia warden A few folks and del crouse Mr. Moderator julie brazil town clerk. Yes, ma'am. Uh Adele crouse Called me. She thought she had voted, but I agree. She's not showing up on the screen. She does vote Yes to terminate debate. Okay. Very good. Thank you Okay, uh, there's about five people left who have not voted pat warden larry derringer Priya senkala senkali Lauren Boyle and Samantha dutra if you folks want to take a minute and go ahead and vote Mr. Do is that a new point of order for john ward? Or is that the old one? It's not new Okay Okay, let's close debate. Let's close voting The motion passes 78 percent It's a two-thirds vote and I declare it. We have yes. We have 182 in the affirmative And 52 in the negative So the debate is terminated that brings us up to the Voting so We have essentially four amendments We have mr. Gersh's amendment number one Soon as this goes through adam will show us what mr. Gersh's amendments are We have mr. Gersh's amendments number one where he's proposing the 60 percent area medium income For rentals 80 percent medium income Then we have his number two Where he has a local residence requirement and then his number three And then we also have miss Ella hers amendment number Which also Is dealing with the same aspect of section two as mr. Gersh's Amendment that is dealing with 60 percent hers sets out a different defining scheme Where she wants to use the community preservation act as her baseline so you would either have to Vote for mr. Kelleher mr. Gersh's number one Section two amendment or miss Kelleher's because they both achieve different things So first we're going to vote on mr. Gersh's three amendments. Then we'll vote on miss Kelleher's Mr. Ruderman has a point of order Mr. Ruderman Thank you, mr. Moderator michael ruderman precinct nine. Have we in fact voted to divide the question? We because he hadn't introduced it hadn't been seconded yet I took it to a um Request of his before it was introduced to consider it as three separate articles. I see thank you three amendments Yeah, he had spoken with me prior to the meeting And um, I told him that I already made that determination because it made sense to do it that way. Thank you, sir Okay, thank you, sir Okay, so first we're going to vote on gersh number one This is amending section two So we've enabled voting so please uh navigate back to the voting portal refresh your page Then select one for yes two for no and Cast your vote. So if you want mr. Gersh's definition of section two vote. Yes if you don't want his vote no and the Raise hand feature in zoom is open If you have any questions about voting Mr. Moderator julie brazil town clerk. Yes, miss brazil. I have a vote from Adele kraus voting yes on gersh one Okay, i'm sorry. I'm sorry. I change. I'm sorry. That's incorrect. She abstains on gersh one Okay, so this miss kraus is going to abstain on gersh one Miss and after we enter that we're going to take a lane crowder's point of order Miss krauter lane crowded precinct 19 Um, can you please there are some of us who may not be familiar with the language section two? Can you please restate? the uh The wording of this So that we know what we're voting on right well, mr. Mr Um, we can show what you right there on your screen what he's proposing is that Instead of 80 it'd be 60 area medium income for rentals and 80 the area medium income for purchases So he's proposing to add the 60 for rentals and Define 80 as for purchases Thank you, mr. Moderator. Thank you, ma'am Okay, we have uh 15 people who have not voted yet if they would please take their moment and then navigate over To their voting portal page Click one for yes two for no and then hit cast your vote And I see miss weber has her weber has her hand up I can't get back into the portal. I don't know what happened. I've been fine all night. Uh Okay, how would you like to vote on the um Gersh one amendment number one? No No, thank you So we'll enter that for you. Thanks. Do you need help? Do you need help with the um tech support? Now I do yes. Okay, so um Looks like Dennis is volunteering to give you a call. Does he have your phone number janice? I think so. I hope my phone's charged here Hi Okay, he's he's gonna give you a call. Thank you very much. Thanks. Yeah Okay, so the four or five people uh four people brooks harrelson larry derringer samantha dutra Uh, you haven't voted yet. Please do so now because we're going to close voting in 15 seconds Or five seconds left and okay, let's close voting on the motion to terminate the debate No way We're closing voting on gersh one. I'm sorry so It the motion fails it got 28 percent so gersh one got 66 in the affirmative And 166 negative That motion fails at 28 percent Okay, that closes that And it's going to bring us to gersh two Okay, now we're going to vote on mr. Gersh's second proposed amendment Where he would like to um Make the voting members shall be residents including represented as of local housing organizations, etc So he would want to be the trustees should be residents keep the control within arlington as he states So voting is now open on gersh two Please navigate to the voting portal Click one refresh your screen if you have to Please click one for yes Two for no and then cast your vote And if you're having issues, please use zoom raised hand feature There's about 18 folks who have not voted yet. Please take your time right now and go ahead and vote Mr. Moderator julie brazil town clerk. Yes, mr. Brazil Adele kraus abstains on gersh two Very good. We'll enter her abstention. Okay, there are Six people who have not voted yet patricia costa jennis We hope jennis voted Some Patricia costa smitha dutra nada el newie Adele kraus. Oh Adele voted already larry derringer and niva corba hudek So those six people can go ahead and vote At this point because we're going to give you about 15 seconds Five seconds left to go ahead and vote. There's three people left. It's okay Time's up. We're going to go ahead and close voting on gersh two that motion fails 24 percent He received 56 in the affirmative 179 in the negative And that's a vote. Nice. So declare it And that ends that article now we're going to vote on mr. Gersh's third proposed amendment his third proposed amendment Seeks to provide that no funds Of the trust fund shall be used in connection with any project developed under National law chapter 40 b So he wants to add the very last sentence in it is underlying in bolded in front of you So the voting win time is now open. Please navigate to the voting portal You choose one for yes two for no And class cast your vote Julie brazil Yes, ma'am How does miss crouse vote? What happened to julie? Apologies. I was on the phone. Julie was at town clerk Adele crouse votes. No on gersh three Oh, no. Thank you very much, ma'am Okay, there are about 20 people who have not voted yet. Please um go ahead and do so now uh asia kapka janice Weaver nada el newie Samantha dutra joanne preston mackaya healy scott lever patricia costa alum sedat And mona mendel have not voted yet. Please go ahead you folks and now give it a shot Okay, we're gonna give you 15 seconds five seconds left to vote and That's it Let's close voting on garsh three Motion fails receives a 23 percent affirmative vote It has 51 in the affirmative 172 in the negative and it's a vote and I so declare it when we run through the screens Then we will take up miss kellerer's vote And I'm going to vote on miss kellerer's vote who would like to amend the purpose to allow the definition of Affordability to be governed by master in the law 44 b at the community preservation act Mr. Moderator just a point of clarification. Yes, sir. I do have a keller her one and a keller her two Is that correct? No, she only has one two was I think mislabeled that was her memorandum telling us All the wonderful things about her article Okay, so could we consider keller her one then the primary vote? Yes Thank you. So here's what miss kellerer's amendment would look like If you're in favor of miss kellerer's amendment, please either way navigate back to the voting portal refresh if you need to vote one for yes two for no and then click Cast your vote if you're having a voting issue, please Navigate back to zoom and use the raise hand feature Mr. Moderator julie brazil town clerk Adele kraus votes yes on the amendment Okay We'll add to her vote for her You know 34 people who have not yet voted. Please do so now down to 25 You have 17 people have not voted yet. Samantha dutra. Zachary grunko Mona mandel scott lever lever adam bedick Patricia costa at joey and Preston Carol bann nada el new woey Asia capica Robin drake Robin may be gone Okay, so those eight or so folks if you could now vote i'm going to give you 15 seconds on miss kraus's amendment Okay, let's terminate voting kellerer's amendment passes by 76 percent It has 170 affirmative 53 in the negative it's a vote and i so declare it As soon as we run through the screen, so we're going to take the main vote on the main motion of the board of select port Has printed in their report and as amended by miss kellerer's amendment Okay, so we're going to open voting on the main article As amended by miss kellerer's amendment I have a seven No, what are we on eight? I'm sorry you're right The hour's late You mr. Moderator would you like me to add a word at the end? I can add a new agenda item that says as amended Um If you wish or shall we just keep the yeah, we can just do it because miss brazil and I both know it's as amended Thank you. Thank you Okay, tell me the members please navigate back to the voting screen Hit page refresh if you need to cast your vote one for The article eight for the affordable housing trust fund as amended by miss kellerer's amendment If you're in favor of that, please vote one for yes If you're not two for no and then hit Cast your vote if you're having trouble voting, please Raise your hand in zoom Serena amendment has your hand up. Can you hear me now? I just voted. Oh, you did very good miss memet. Thank you Thank you And mr. Tosti also has his hand up It kicked me out again. Please record me is voting. Yes Very well. Mr. Tosti will do and while you're there, mr Kowalski If you do mr. Tosti So mr. Leonard recorded a vote of yes and mr. Pelka Likewise recorded a vote of yes Mr. Moderator julie brazil town clerk. Yes Adele kraus votes yes Very good. Okay, we have Six people who have not yet voted. Samantha dutra Catherine Radville Janice Weber Weber, I'm sorry Janice Julian Preston carol bian nada el new away Asia capca robin drack Robin's gone How if you guys can vote we're going to give you about 15 more seconds Mr. Moderator. Yes, sir. Did you say that janice weber? Weber did not vote Let me look Yeah, I see janice is not voting yet. She says she has Ah, can you ask her how she voted because we'll Oh, wait a second. She just Popped off. So she has now voted. Okay, great. Yeah. All right. Thank you chris. Oh, that was the andrew. I'm sorry Okay, let's close voting The article passes by 94 Two hundred and twenty one in the affirmative 13 in the negative. It's a vote and I so declare that ends article eight It's well past the witching hour of 11 o'clock. So from stuff when the screen's done If anyone has a motion for reconsideration, please Raise your point of Do it by raising a point of order as soon as these screens are done Now when that's done, we'll entertain a motion to adjourn for the evening So if you have a point of order get ready to give that as soon as We close this article. Okay. Patty Muldoon Has a point of order. So she may have a Notice of reconsideration We bring up patty Yes, miss Muldoon Trisha Muldoon precinct 20 Move to adjourn Okay Thank you very much Seeing if anyone has a point of a motion for reconsideration And asking them to use the point of order if they do if we're going to give another second If not, we're going to adjourn for the evening Second second. Thank you very much. Mr. Foskett. Okay, then. Thank you very much. We did pretty well tonight We got through a couple big issues and we'll see you on monday If you have any questions, please email me and Have a good evening. Thank you Miss wait, miss memon has a point of order miss memon Yes, mr. Moderator, I thought uh, we were supposed to possibly start the meeting earlier on the next meeting Well, that had been raised but it won't work for a number of technical issues if because we're taking people to get start logging on at seven And we're taking nearly an hour to get everybody logged on to start earlier would really cut into all of our Dinner times Okay. Yeah, it's just not technically available A able to do so. Thank you Okay, thanks And let's see what mr. Yontar wants to do Thank you, mr. Moderator Timorka Yontar precinct 7 Is it correct that the amendment that was promised for Article 4 Has not been submitted Not yet. I have not seen it. Uh, wouldn't that make it overdue? I Mr. Hunt mr. Hunt is working with her Um today and technically 48 hours I wanted it by today because he's working with her if we get it pretty quick tomorrow I'll circulate it, but I would definitely want to get it. Mr. Moderator. This is Doug. May I speak for a second? Yes, sir. Thank you for recognizing. So I realize that it's great. Um, we did we did uh submit one to the moderator Obviously Oh, okay Oh, thank you So I just haven't checked my email team or okay, I'll tip that circulated out tomorrow morning. Thank you, sir. Thank you Thank you, mr. Hunt. Okay folks I'll see you all monday