 I was introduced to you on UFC cassettes. Video Smith used to rent out free sports tapes on Wednesdays. So the UFC in wrestling was all in that row. So every Wednesday, I'd have my dad take me over. And I needed him to be able to rent the UFC tapes. So I remember that logo as a kid. That was one of my first memories, man. So I was able to follow you on UFC and see you on WWE. It meant a lot to me to be able to see you just transition into more of an active storytelling role. My first question for you, I'm going to take you back to the younger you or maybe the earlier part of your life. What were some of your earliest experiences with maybe expressing yourself, maybe outside of wrestling or outside of mixed martial arts, martial arts? Yeah, as far as experience and knowledge and stuff like that, when I first started out fighting it was more, I got to become somebody. I became relevant before I was going to college by football and my direction went into more of the hand-to-hand combat. So for me, it was almost like from where I came from, out on the streets fighting all the time, getting in trouble to now actually walking in a ring and be able to fight almost the same way as if I was on the street and they were going to pay me for it. I didn't have to worry about getting arrested or any of that stuff. So for me, it was a thrill and it was a relief that I could actually do something that made me feel good and that I was really good at it and that was no holds barred in MMA. Man, so in terms of your relationship with the audience, you know, a Wiki tell me about the differences between like being a part of wrestling and UFC. Yeah, you know, back in the day when I did the transition from MMA into pro wrestling, it was really difficult because I know a lot of people thought I sold out, you know, why are you going to that fake stuff? That's not who you are. And I remembered myself going into it. I was like, these people don't really know wrestling that much because wrestling is very difficult and also hard on your body. So it's not fake. So I thought to say, you know what, I'm going to go in and I'm going to change people's minds. So when I went into pro wrestling, everybody that was on the MMA side were all going, man, that's a sellout, you shouldn't do that. After one year of being in pro wrestling, all those people that were saying that were saying, man, that's pretty cool, that was pretty cool because wrestling, in my opinion, at that time also changed with me when we came into the Attitude Era. So it was really nice to be a part of that, to be able to help bring that part of wrestling back into the fans, making it cool again. And I think that the Bret Hart, Stone Cold, Steve Austin match, the one that I read for me, really set the tone for that Attitude Era and for fans to come out of the closet and say, yeah, man, that's cool. Man, you just mentioned a match. That was my first time watching a pay-per-view live. That's a million, 13, right? That was it with you and you, the referee, that match. Man, that was a dope memory. Can you give me a cool story about that match? That match was the first time that we had black box. My uncle wasn't gonna pay for the pay-per-view, but he found a black box. He was like, yo, we're gonna watch it. So I was excited because he had no other way to get me to watch it. So that match is special to me. Can you give me a story about that night? Yeah, you know, especially when I started fighting, no holds barred, anything goes. I went into the ring and it was like me or him, I go in there, I take somebody out, I walk out, I feel good about it. When I went into pro wrestling, I had a thought in my mind, like, can I really do this? Is this something that I feel like I can do and feel comfortable with it? Do I'm gonna feel fake? Is it gonna feel right? I can't know if I can sell a punch if it doesn't land, you know, so I had all these thoughts in my head going into WrestleMania, I believe was 13 when I referee Bret Hart and Stone Cold. With thoughts in my head, like, I don't know how this is gonna go, I don't know if it's something I'll be able to do. And after that match, when I referee that match, those two guys went after each other, man. I mean, I see Bret hit Stone Cold, Stone Cold literally flew around his head and I was like, okay. Now, this isn't what I expected, but this is what I can do because they literally went after one another. They beat each other up. And when I referee that match, it was almost like I was refereeing in MMA match. I mean, these guys really went after one another. It was really well done and so I was very proud to be a part of that match. And to be able, I think in my mind, and I think a lot of people's mind, I believe that was the match that really changed pro wrestling from bringing closet watchers to people standing outside coming out saying, I watch pro wrestling cause it's cool. Oh man, lastly, I'm a die hard Bret Hart fan. You met, I can't get your thoughts and opinion on Bret Hart as a person or as a professional. Well, when you talk about, you know, talking as a person outside the entertainment world, the fight world, usually you don't know people all that well. But from what I know of Bret, the time that I've spent with him, he seems like a really confident individual, a nice person that would do things for people if they needed it. And as far as I know, a really good father. So for me, outside the ring, Bret was a stand up guy, genuinely good person. So you've been in the industry for so long. What would you tell kids today who want to have a job like you or any type of job in the industry? Yeah, especially today with the young kids grown up and no matter what sport it is, first thing I'd always say is make sure you have an exit plan. You know, you can't expect to go into a professional sport as hard as it is and be able to stay healthy for a long period of time. It's very difficult for, it's 1% of people make it to that top. So I would always tell young kids coming up is make sure you have an exit plan. Get an education. Make sure you have something that you can do if, God forbid, something happens to you and you're not able to pursue your career. Shamrock, thank you so much, man. Appreciate it.