 Hi, this is George cow and I'm here with tomorrow off for off one of the members of my master heart group coaching program And she's gonna be sharing with you some of the lessons. She's learned in growing her therapy and Mentoring practice and retreats business as well Hi tomorrow. I get to have you here Hi George. Yeah, it's lovely to be here. I'm privileged to be talking with you. Yeah, I think I recorded now Thanks for being thanks for being here. So I will read out your bio tomorrow so that Everybody has some context of what you do and then we'll go into the lessons you're learning in your business And then we'll also talk about The work that you do with clients and with groups Particularly dream work. So we'll get into that in a moment So tomorrow here's tomorrow's bio tomorrow has over 40 years of experience in the field of personal development spiritual guidance Transpersonal psychotherapy dream work body work art therapy the work of Byron Katie and she works a lot with fear and anxiety and She works with groups large and small and does process oriented psychology a lot of a lot of different areas She trains and supervises both students and experienced psychotherapists wonderful So tomorrow one of the lessons that you've been learning integrating in your business journey is this idea of Being genuine Talk about that. What does that mean? How is that different from maybe how some people are taught to do business? Yeah, share with us here I've experienced and tasted a number of different modes of Teaching and training online And a lot of the people who try and sell stuff Whether it's their personal services or whether it's a training About how to use various technology and so on they come across as selling the very It always feels like I mean led down a Strippery slope to forking out a hell of a lot of money and One of the things I've learned about being online is it's no good trying to be perfect It's no good trying to fit into a particular model and a lot of people are now tuning into the Massive grounds well of of spiritually minded people people are opening up more towards heart-based Enterprises and many coaches and therapists are working in this way now as well rather than just life skills or Assertiveness training that's kind of been and gone a little bit. So we're assuming now that There's a much more human genuine way of relating and this appeals to me very much. So So it doesn't work for me when people try to sell me stuff or and I can tell it was like Smell comes out of the computer. It's like I know this isn't Genuine when they talk about heart-based thing or spiritual that It doesn't feel right to me. It's like it's the buzzword lately and so I've got a very acute intuition and also a sense of Body language signals and so on I'm able to read and see Apparently being a scorpion able to read and see what behind What is apparently just what's the one offer that I'm able to see behind that? So one of the things I've learned with you George is how just how genuine you are and I've Experienced you over. I think something like nine years ago. I signed up for Your early years of training where you were still in that mode of like needing to achieve something And it was a selling program and it was a little bit Uncomfortable we were required also asked or expected to bring more people in and it Didn't work for you in the end and it didn't work for me either and I've seen just how much you've changed and developed and grown and got grounded and based and a truly Spiritual master in what you teach now Well, thank you. I can very much appreciate that especially Coming from you you've seen some of my dark past and also you yourself have Experienced a lot of different types of marketing experts and so I really appreciate that very much So what what I what I learned from that is what I know is that you know little children model themselves on their parents and We students of these media model ourselves on our trainers, of course And so now the group that I'm in with you is just amazing that the beautiful Relationships and connections that people are making so that's that's really down to you and encouraged in that Collaboration and mutual support Thank you. Yeah, and that's one of the the other Discoveries or maybe rediscoveries in your business is the power of connections that Have brought you opportunities. So talk about that. What what are you learning in terms of in terms of connections? I guess networking some people might call it that but for you, it's more of a heart-based or Genuine way of meeting with people but tell us about that. Well, I've been quite astonished because You know, I hear the words heart-based and I know many of my colleagues in our group with you George are Very close friends now. We understand and speak that same language and we're all on the same page as I experience and I could name names, but they know who they are and We're welcoming also new people moving in and it's so nothing rigid about it There's no dictatorial mandate thou shalt be harsh based But you have always suggested that networking that finding groups of people with a similar line of work or a similar approach to life or to training and so on and that I've never actually managed to get to do that and And I'm not sure what I want to say about that, but I spontaneously came across a group of well at the time when I joined in December there were 1200 members on a Facebook group and it's a group of Women over 50 and I'm considerably much more than 50 but it appealed to me it grew out of a organization called the Red Tent which is The slightly younger women or women up to the age of 50 or so This is group for women over 50 called the Silver Tent and when I joined there were 1200 members I suggested a few people and some of our group are also members And and it's mushroom to over 6000 and it's it's an extraordinary resource of Wisdom and depths and so on and I just been enjoying it and I've been Interacting with large numbers of the of the people there and I've offered a dream group which people show up every week They just show up it's free. I could charge for my services there But at the moment I'm not But I noticed the people are asking me and now could it could I do a one-to-one session with you? And this is just a this is a bonus for me because I'm only there because I like it because I'm enjoying it and because I'm learning a Lot from the other people there and from the relationships and we've had an in-person residential weekend retreat with 12 were Kerbal so members I've stayed in a house in France with another of the members We've got another retreat in a couple of weeks time in France with the 11 members doing spiritual shamanic studies and no, so it's a very real resource for me It's making friends and in the process I'm noticing that people are responding to me in a different way, and I'm not trying to sell anybody anything And so that's what I'm discovering it really reinforces the the principle that you have of I'm not selling I'm inviting and if people like my invitation. They're gonna approach me. I'm not approaching anybody I'm not chasing anybody and that's such a nice feeling Yes, yes, I love your example on that. That is extraordinary and I do encourage everybody watching this, you know Find groups of kindred spirits that that you resonate with maybe the values of the group Maybe you're at a certain life stage or a certain stage of nerve development in a particular path and show up be a I mean, I think of it as some people call this there's a term servant leadership but be a part of the community in a way that you feel like serves the greater whole and Almost certainly people will reach out and you know tomorrow you're sharing these this great example here. So, thank you Let's go into Part of one small part of your work or maybe a growing part of the work, which is this idea of Using our dreams in waking life So, you know, you sent me a few notes in advance and I thought it was fascinating Share with the audience. What what what you share with me? Okay, so it seems to me that it's really important that each Individual as far as they're able and have the means to do it uses some time during the day if possible To tune into the inner world because in the oil in a world in your psyche There are energies Moving around and that work which can give you great clues to the direction your life is taking or to things You need might maybe want to look at a little bit further and dreams are a wonderful language and we can learn the language of dreams Simply by each of us tuning into our own making our own dictionary of all of your dream symbols for example and I love to work with dreams and the work that I do with dreams now and we Introduce that into my psychotherapy work and group work and my retreats is to do a waking dream work where You take a dream you may remember just a fragment of dream You may remember a long complicated dream and some people tell me their dreams that last for 20 minutes the telling of it Which is great details and ins and outs and ups and downs and all sorts of amazing things, of course dreams are Not restrained by the everyday reality. So you can fly or drown or you know, whatever you need to do in your in your psyche and And so I've been encouraging people to record their dreams to note that down And I have on my website some tips about how to remember your dreams But if you have it, you know, maybe it could also be a recurring dream Sometimes we dream maybe of a house that similar house and it comes back into our dreams again and again Or we can dream of certain figure in our lives or even somebody that we know Or beings animals Trees There's life in all sorts of ways that will present itself to us in our dreams and to begin to work with those as if they are Live and able to communicate with us in the present. So the way that I work with a dream is to re-enter a dream With the person as if it's happening now. So they enter a point of the dream and what just flew into my mind would be I don't know why but the image of those boys who were stuck in a cave in Thailand No way out and that seemed to me like a dream source of space And so if I were to imagine that and hadn't thought of this before I just came in now But I would think of that as my dream space Then I would enter the dream at the point where I am in the depths of the cave and I cannot see a way out and For me to facilitate Myself in that dream I would take that as my starting point where I wake up in the dream. It's scary I'm stuck. I can't see a way out. I know there's dark cold water in the way of me in the fresh air So dreams can induce panic a fear of death often comes in dreams or near-death experiences like you fall off a high building Wake up in a fright And so I would take that as a starting point to explore what's possible With the active dream work and it gets to be really quite magical. So I could imagine Perhaps a guide comes in the form of a And a night owl who might come into the cave having flown through the narrow passages of air to bring me a message Or to bring me a rope that I could follow or there may be a light that suddenly appears around a corner Or maybe even a doorway in the wall of the cave And so it's quite manageable what work you can do to Understand the dilemma in and if you're in a dead end in your life that might be a very appropriate Symbol and I hadn't thought of it before talking to you just now. It just came into my mind as a possible example of way a dream might work You also mentioned Like having a conversation in waking life, let's say You know, there was a there was a dream last night. There was a figure that came in And to and now that we're in waking life To start a conversation with that that being. Oh, absolutely. Well, um, This is something I learned about the Senoi tribe in Malaysia Or Indonesia, I think it was Malaysia who were a remote tribe and they The children recall their report their dreams to their followers every morning at breakfast And then the fathers go to the village square and report the dreams to the elders and they all discuss the dreams And then the advice is given on the basis of the dreams There's no crime no murder no robberies no violence in this tribe because they're working with all the Forces in their unconscious and the children have taught so say they're being followed by a tiger And they're running away scared from the hunt from the tiger and you have tigers in their area But in the dream, they turn the face the tiger and they say to the tiger. Why are you in my dream? What are you bringing me or what do you want from me in my dream? And they learn to do that? If the tiger comes again in a dream, so they're actually practicing lucid dreaming which is Being able to to some degree be aware that you're dreaming and to Open up the dream, but you can do this with waking dream work Which is what I do with with my clients and also in groups and you can embody the Other who you're talking to as well. So you would speak as the tiger and bring the message that the tiger has or you know It could be something That the person is sending is dangerous So it could be something very exciting or very powerful or an energy that wants to emerge It could be that the animal energy in the person's life is not being expressed because it's a desk all day You know, so there are many different levels of understanding dreams And that's the magic of dreams is there's no one right way to interpret them and I don't I don't generally interpret dreams I offer Channels for the person to explore So there are open questions like what might this person tell you what might this being be bringing you What is the gift of them being in your dream right now? What do you want from them? Ask and and be given what what is it you want from them? And because it's a dream and it's magic and you make it happen It's all becomes possible in the waking dream. That's a lovely thing about it. It's exciting And people and begin to see their lives opening up in ways they haven't in that and they could Thank you. It's also very good for relationships, you know, if you're fearful or having trouble in relationship to actually use that the dreams as a As a way to give you some understanding of what's really going on deep down Yeah, bring it to the surface for your awareness and it's strengthening Thank you So in the final couple minutes that we have, okay, oh gosh, yeah time goes by. Yeah share with us how people can work with you You do work in a variety of ways, but I'll let you share what's what's coming up And I know you also have an upcoming online program that maybe you could talk a bit about I have a number of things. I'm working with the archetypes now whatever you understand by that The archetypes are ways to describe those powerful energies that that come and go in our lives and um, some of them for example when you're a child you come into the world very trusting Um and so you're in in complete innocence and newborn baby is completely innocent unstained unformulated And sooner or later with every child, I think it's a little bit of a disillusionment like the father christmas doesn't exist or you know, I mean daddy had sex or Child is not The favorite in the family, you know, there's always some sort of childhood wound which then Creates an inner archetype of the orphan like the sense of abandonment or betrayal Um, and we go through different energies in our lives and call them archetypes like the The one that propelled to get out and fight some battles Um, the one that becomes a caretaker or an altruist goes campaigning for a better world Greenpeace activists are very much to do with the art of the caretaker on the altruist and combine with the warrior energy Um, and then you've got the more evolved a little bit linked to the tarot figures of the tarot major figures of the tarot can'ts or They're just major energy energies in life and not everybody relates to that in the way that I'm describing it but it's um, it seems to be applicable and also Those energies can come down through the generation. So you may have seen your grandfather was a regal figure or as a beggar poor little old person or Your grandmother was a tyrant or as a benevolent queen So there are many different ways to describe and to perceive the archetypes and experience those energies in our lives And those roles come and go of course. They're not stuck. Don't stay around forever That's great. And so that's what the online program is going to be that was what that's one of my great interests at the moment exploring the mother and daughter dynamic and How each of each of those figures the mother figure and the daughter figure Relate to each other and they they have their each own journeys and how each of those will eventually um possibly evolve into the high priestess figure or you know, just being supremely confident and somebody who's benevolent and generous in the world and a kind feminine figure I think we need a lot of healing of our feminine figures and also For the men in the world who are struggling many of them was knowing how to be a man in relation to particularly in relation to women now New energies are coming forth and like I could go into a little political diatribe here for the words We haven't got time now, but that's something that interests me greatly, you know Supporting men not all about women. It's very much about Enabling men to have a several male male clients who are working in this way too To try and understand and to expand and to grow and there are many figure Many groups are forming now for men to explore that being authentic and genuine Kind and generous and and not losing the masculinity not losing that self image Yeah for women also to be achieving and and so on but also not to lose their feminine feminine energies and their Because the masculine energies and the feminine energy one is receptive and one is active and they manifest in each Person is not confined to men and women Yeah, well, thank you. I preach I hope those who are watching this and Are fascinated by this discussion of archetypes Or dream work to reach out to tomorrow. I will of course have the links Below in the notes of the video and thank you tomorrow for being here Uh, oh, it's a great pleasure george and just mentioned my retreats because uh, yes I guess yes, I have about a minute. Yes in beautiful locations And my my website will be up on the on the site. I think is that right? Yes, absolutely Great. Thank you so much george. It's been a great pleasure and Lovely always to connect with you. Yes. Thank you