 Okay, so I was just in bed not going to email from Australian media and they want to talk to me about the video I put up about the dairy industry Yep Well, not that simply but I think it would be why I don't think they should just get over it and get a new job I mean I didn't say it that bluntly in the video I think I gave a little bit more context than that but I do think that there are victims who are suffering more than the dairy farmers and those are the cows and the calves who are separated and sent to slaughterhouses and killed and the environment as well the resources we're using for dairy milk, a thousand litres of water per litre of milk the environment is taking a hit and the land use and the grain and all of that is just a bad use of our resources and I think it would be wise for dairy farmers to move into more ethical sustainable alternatives The animals in the planet yeah and like dairy is cruel and outdated I mean we're moving into more ethical sustainable alternatives and farmers should move along with that as well but the thing is it doesn't matter if they want to or they don't demand will tell the farmers what to farm so when demand changes the farmers change what they farm that's what happens it's supply and demand well it's the moral and environmental factors are driving the demand people are waking up en masse to that and they're just saying we don't want dairy anymore we're not baby cows we don't want the cruel abusive product that's destroying the environment we want plant milk well I think I said about having just got these sympathisers with dairy farmers in general at all yeah I do sympathise with that individual because she's been brought up in a farming community her father farms of dairy farmer she it's culturally conditioned into her so yeah like but I also look at it from the animals perspective as well and she called herself a cow person I wear cow people we do it because we love the cows I mean all those cows are slaughtered they're all shot in the head and slashed across the throat if she was a cow person why wouldn't she have a sanctuary you know instead of exploiting and killing those animals I mean I understand that there's a certain conditioning that she's undergone from birth probably like being taught that dairy farming is completely okay normal and necessary but from the animals perspective it's not it's just it's horrific whichever way you look at it how do you feel about that portrayal of your movement and through what you're saying well it depends what someone means by militant I think the word militant means to bear arms to force your political agenda or something like that not at all we're just trying to create positive change we're trying to liberate animals from their suffering from slaughterhouses we're trying to help the earth if that makes me a militant vegan then what are the rest of society that pay for animals to be put in but butchered in slaughterhouses I mean I think that's more extreme and militant like what we do to animals we're trying to stop that well it just it just it shows where societies are I mean I'm speaking up for animals and most of society are animal lovers but they select which species of animals they care about we care about all species of animals we care about the cows the pigs the chickens the fish you know we don't want to see them get stabbed and hung up by their hoof in a slaughterhouse and hacked into pieces just as much as you don't want to see your dog get stabbed in the throat and chopped up and served as steak so we're just consistent about the animals that we care about and if that makes me an extremist then what does that say about the rest of the public another point do you think it's sort of a bit disingenuous for dairy farmers to sort of get upset or to decline they love the animals that they work with do then what happens to them I can't read the dairy farmers mind I don't know whether they genuinely do love the animals and they just have a really weird bizarre idea about what love is because if you truly love someone you don't send them to the slaughterhouse to turn them into burgers you don't exploit them separate them from their children you don't stick your fist inside of their anus and you know stick semen inside of their vagina at the age of one year old you can use them for their reproductive organs and make money off of them you don't do that to people you love or to animals you love so yeah they probably might have a warp sense of what love actually is but I'm not a mind reader and I do think that she was genuinely upset but maybe just more because like it's a tradition she's let going of a tradition but like a lot of traditions are cruel and outdated I mean we shouldn't do something or continue to do it because it's traditional I mean doesn't make it moral or ethical or good for the environment or good for anyone Right, the overwhelming hearing of the feedbacks you've gotten from the video Oh there's about a thousand comments I think they're mostly positive comments I mean I wasn't there to make a hate video towards dairy farmers look we just want animals to be liberated we want farmers to have a job doing something else hopefully something that doesn't exploit animals and is better for the environment and that's what we want to see we want to see a better world and we want to see those farmers those dairy farmers part of that better world I don't want to see them struggling and crying and depressed but I also don't want to see animals strung up by their hoof and stabbed in the neck so we can come to some sort of middle ground where they liberate animals leave them alone and you know farm plant foods and if they land can't farm plant foods then they have to find some alternative work but it shouldn't be at the expense of someone else's life Right, generally I guess about you do analysis obviously there's quite a few television appearances and you know you're quite upspoken about your views and what sort of reaction do you get from people to that you know sort of touching on the way that being portrayed as a militant vegan and that sort of thing what do people say to you or what sort of feedback do you get from people Well it depends on you know what end of the spectrum there are a lot of people grateful that they're woken up to something they weren't aware of before like wow they didn't actually realize what dairy products entailed for animals and for the environment they didn't actually realize what their steak was actually you know a living sentient animal with emotions who wanted to live I mean a lot of people are disconnected from that and then you get people who are fighting I mean you got the what are the three stages of truth first they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win so yeah there's a lot of people at the fighting stage some people at the laughing stage some people just don't care apathy that's probably the ignoring stage but we're getting to the winning stage and it's starting to come into the mainstream and we have to do something because the planet's going to absolute like for lack of a better word like the amazons being destroyed and people are waking up like look you're always going to get your people who are like you know not willing to change but there's always going to be a group of a huge large group of people who are willing to change and are willing to make changes in their life and for the betterment of the earth and for the animals alright cheers guys I'll let you get some rest mate thanks for having a chat I appreciate it and yeah thanks for helping me out anytime at all mate no problems okay we'll see how that one went hopefully that one went okay working up out of bed to have a discussion about the ethics of dairy so anyways we'll read the article maybe I'll post the article somewhere up here and we can read through it in the morning maybe together we'll have a sauce anyways peace we've had to make the decision that it's it for us they rely on their practices being kept secret they like to perpetuate this humane dairy fairy tale and that's all coming to the light now