 Good evening everyone welcome to tonight's common council meeting as always before we start the meeting We ask our city clerk to read the quote of the week. Thank you The four cornerstones of character on which the structure of this nation was built our initiative Imagination individuality and independence. Thank you very much Well the 16th regular meeting of the common council to order. Please call the roll Born here Bauch Dekker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness excuse Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Suric Vanderweal for hassled and wangemen 15 present quorum is present and now we please rise to recite the pledge of allegiance all of men will which please lead us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Individual with liberty and justice for all Thank you all of them in Vanderweal next item on the agenda is approval of the minutes present now Thank You, mr. Mayor. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes Motion and second to approve minutes under discussion There is not all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries Resignations attorney McLean There's a letter To the mayor was received in mayor's office November 4th from Brian J. Vercy Advising that he's resigning from the city board of appeals And talks about Moving date moving into the town of Sheboygan in mid December Thank you need a motion to accept and file Oh President Hanna. Yes, I'd make a motion to accept and file mr. Versa's resignation second motion and second under discussion They're being on all in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries resignation is accepted Confirmation of mayor's appointments attorney McLean Thank you, your honor hereby submit the following appointments for your confirmation Rachel Newton to be considered for appointment to the Tourism Advisory Committee to fill the on expired term of Rick Peterson whose term expires for 30 2010 Cleo messener to be considered for appointment to the Tourism Advisory Committee to fill the on expired term of Linda Jar Whose term expires for 30 2009 and Mark the sombre to be considered for appointment to the Tourism Advisory Committee to fill the on expired term of Kara Leonard whose term expires for 30 oh nine signed by the mayor much the emotion to confirm The appointments Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to confirm the three appointments Motion and second under discussion There is none all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries appointments confirmed Public forum Madame city clerk. Thank you Thank you first on our list is major health storm With major health storm be here this evening. I don't believe he is All right next on our list is Joanne Scribner Joanne, could you please come to the front? And if you could just get your mic up so that There you go, and I need your home address Joanne three Seneca trail That's in Sheboygan Sheboygan Okay, and you will have five minutes Thank you Thank You Mayor Perez and Sheboygan Common Council for again giving me a chance to speak I had one paragraph left at the end of my six minute speech at the last Common Council meeting and here it is Some of us are going to really start or continue to step up to the bat and work even harder to get our religious freedom back We want our country and our city back Next topic when you make your decisions as politicians keep the J. O. Y acronym in mind J Jesus first oh Other second Y yourself last J. O. Y joy There is a little kids chorus That has the joy acronym right in it So when you make your decisions using the joy acronym whether the decisions are about the salt shed or about the use of cell phones by Sheboygan drivers or The city budget or the park near D land park for special needs kids Like the twins who were born joined together And miraculously are now two separated individuals no longer joined together and Have developing little personalities and bodies The wellness conference at Blue Harbor Conference Center for the benefit of the city employees The sex offender law that was recently passed The city manager position that is now being considered and The site of the new police station on North 23rd Street and what a station Four words to describe the new police station state of the art another two words finally built and Five more words Thankfully not at Sheridan Park By the way, I did see a lot of you who are in this room at the ribbon-cutting ceremony On Saturday, November 15th 9 30 a.m. A lot of you were there I Was there also? It was great. It was wonderful. It's nice to have a really new police station now I Couldn't take the tour that morning had other things to do But I did come back later and stood in line for about 45 minutes Which is okay. Had my head. I was okay mittens. Okay Wound around the police tape and the chairs for people who got tired just waiting Chatted a lot to people in line next to me. It's always fun Finally got to the tour door It was led by a cop who just happened to come to the station for police business He wasn't supposed to lead a tour He was just in civilian dress blue jeans and an Adidas jacket and he was roped into giving a tour It was great awesome tour so Awesome place. I left the station about 4 15 p.m And as I left I checked out the Sally port which is sort of a new word for me. I'm not used to that word yet, but Where the squad cars come in and bring the you know the offenders and As I was walking outside. I walked east to the fence of The property and on my way out the driveway. I was praying for the Chewiegan police force Because they protect us And they need protection as they're out and about you know doing their Protecting of us so I just wanted to also say I don't know I might me have forgotten my goodie bag But you know we got those blue goodie bags, you know the little football said Keep kids out of the courts have them play in sports Things like that and by the way Chewiegan softball Association. Have you been there in the summertime? It is so much fun a dollar for five different games. It's great or you get the $10 pass for the whole summer Other sports school sports see to grow Belgium go rockets Chewiegan it's a great place. I did okay here. Yeah, I'm sure you saw this Saturday here is the reader's digest. I was mentioning last time 50 safest places. Oh, by the way, Chewiegan was rated one Number one Kenosha to April 1997 reader's digest and five minutes wrap. Would you like your additional minute? Yes, please go ahead? Okay, so To all of you all the people here who have to make the tough decisions and the mayor All of you I say hats off to you guys and gals This is not an easy job, and I just want to say To all of you Thank you very much Thank you, Joanne and last on our list is Tom Bowers is Tom here, please I Would need that 21 20 North 36 20 20 North 26. All right, sir. You have five minutes. Thank you Ladies and gentlemen of the console mayor, I Stand before you tonight regarding the Gus Macer basketball I like you to refer to you to the agenda tonight, which is 16 resolutions 1648 1649 1649 pertains Committee that voted unanimously to move the Gus Macer tournament to another location. I Am here representing fishermen boaters and citizens With all the people Fishermen boaters citizens, please stand up my first question for this console is why is our city being held hostage? by the girls and boys girls club Let me give you a little background of what's going on here and they'll pass excuse me mr Bowers people can't hear you Do you want to pull the mic up to you a little bit closer? That'd be great. Sorry go ahead. Thank you the last Roughly two weeks The marina committee met the marina committee is made up of Volunteers and members of this council. I believe there are two members of the council Mr. Geisha and mr. Ryan I'm sorry if I miss some money It's also made up of violence as I said volunteers who meet at least once a month Also in attendance was the director. I believe on the boys and girls club Which as the meeting went on Became very abusive towards this marina boy. I Might add Alderman Meyer Who is not a member but it's ahead of the public works committee was in attendance? I believe it was the next day the public works committee met That's I believe the speed members that were in attendance were Alderman Meyer and two members of her committee The question was put forth to our person Meyer What happened at the meeting? Her answer was it was an ugly meeting Now when someone says it's an ugly meeting you would think someone on that committee would say what's ugly about it No one said a word the boat was taken The boat was to hold the Gus Meyer mackerel tournament at the marina at that time. I Don't know if was there with the meeting with the mayor When Alderman our person Meyer Said to the boys and girls representative We owe you an apology For what I do not know The next meeting took place between the mayor arm and wire and a member from the marina committee At that time it was discussed To maybe change the venue nothing took place in that meeting except The mayor wanted resolution 14 16 49 pull from the docket as you will notice 16 49 It's after 16 48 obviously, but if you vote on 16 48 without looking at 16 49 16 49 is a moot point Now why did the marina board vote? to eliminate The Gus Macker tournament at the marina they don't they don't want to eliminate the tournament they want to move number one abuse of language Vandalism and mischief the cars boats Parking for fishermen and the boat This is a small minority causing the damage and it's not The kids from middle school the high school is from the older kids that they bring in What's the alternative There are many alternatives you have the Walmart parking lot You have a sentry store You have a UW-Shabuigan You have South High School South High School, I looked at Sunday has tremendous potential So how did all this come about? Excuse me. Mr. Bauer your five minutes are up. Would you like your additional minutes, please? I'll go ahead. I'll go real fast Go ahead How did this come about? The boards and girls club were warned two or three years before clean up your actor This is going to be taken away from here at least has possibility be taken. Nothing has happened The arrogant attitude on the part of the gentleman from the boys and girls club I believe owns the city and especially the marina committee in apology Whether this passes or whether you decide to do tonight. I Will be in contact with the boys and girls club to find out Why this abuse of language Was allowed and in closing remember Boats and fishermen need water Basketball players do not thank you. Thank you Okay, thank you very much to those who addressed the council tonight Next item on the agenda is a hearing the finance director Treasurer announced that there will be a hearing on the proposed budget for use during 2009 All the taxpayers and residents of the governmental unit will have the opportunity to be heard on the proposed budget Is there anyone here that would like to address the council on the budget? Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? President yeah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to close the hearing motion and second to close hearing under discussion There is none all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries Consent agenda sixteen one through sixteen twenty one president Hanna Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion that all RO's be accepted in place on file And all our seas be accepted and adopted second motion and second under discussion vice president born Thank You your honor Before we vote on the consent agenda. I wanted to make some comments on Document number 1615 if the all our persons would like to pull that forward and that document has to do with a third quarter report on the ambulance service and I would like to first of all Call your attention to page 6 of the document the graph on the bottom of page 6, please As a member of the finance committee I did some further crunching of these numbers that are on that are on the table I first of all want to start out by saying that the Our new ambulance service is doing an outstanding job of providing ambulance service to the city's city of Sheboygan The patients have been giving feedback to the fire department that the quality of service is Outstanding and I also believe that even the response times of our ambulance service has been an improvement over orange cross So I wanted to say that up front now getting to the financial area of the of the ambulance service so far You'll notice on on the on the bottom table on page 6 under gross billings And this is from January 1st through September 30th The ambulance service bill patients 1,000,474,772 dollars out of that through September 30th the city collected 488,483 dollars and 76 cents if you if you take That amount collected the receipts into the gross billings. You'll find that so far through September 30th We've been collecting 33% of the amount that we've the gross amount that we build Now originally when the business plan was set up for the fire department They had hoped that they were going to collect about 48 percent of Of the of the gross billings so up to this point through September 30th We're not meeting that target if we go up on top on the first line of that graph under the various categories people with insurance there were 447 calls and The gross billings were 152,751 dollars the actual amount of money collected in that category through September 30th Was a hundred and eighty six thousand six hundred seven dollars and twenty-eight cents 53% Now I mentioned this in the finance committee and I also mentioned all of these points that I'm going to be mentioning to the Finance director to do some investigation, but it seems a little odd that insurance companies are only paying 53% of the gross billings I would expect people that would have insurance for ambulance would probably have If not a hundred percent coverage, maybe eighty percent coverage, but we've only been collecting 53% of the gross billings up to this date My other question that I posed to the finance director to find out is what is being done by the billing service To collect the 47% that we're not collecting under that billing category To see whether we have these people on on payment plans or exactly what's being done I Also requested the finance director to check with other cities that this billing service Bills ambulances ambulance services for to see if our 53% Collections is is unusually low or we are about the same as other communities If we go down to the next one where it says self pay We had a three hundred and three hundred and two calls with a gross billing of two hundred and twenty thousand two hundred and thirty six dollars We actually only collected out of that two twenty two thirty six thirteen thousand five hundred and fifty dollars and twenty four cents or Only six point one five percent of gross billings that also is a concern and I also asked the city finance director to again find out what's happening in other Communities with that billing category of self-pays to see if we were unusually low for that category It's again. It seems very very low at only six point one five percent I also want to find out what the billing service is doing to build these people And whether they have them on payment plans if they've been if some of these have been put out to collection I Think if we can improve on those two categories it'll help a lot to reach our category of Collecting about 48 percent, which was the original business target If we if we go down to the balance of the receivables right next to the gross billing we have 452 thousand six hundred ninety one dollars and thirty nine cents If we assume that we're going to collect about fifty percent of that Under the under this column where it says receipts of four hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars Four thirty eighty three seventy six if we would add in half of the four fifty two Our receipts would have been seven hundred and fourteen thousand eight hundred twenty nine dollars and forty six cents or We would have met our forty eight percent target If the trend continues of only thirty three percent collections We could add in another hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars to the four hundred and eighty eight that we've collected Bringing that up to six hundred and twenty five thousand six hundred sixty two dollars and ninety seven cents. However, that's only Forty two point forty two percent of the gross billings So if the trend continues for the rest of the year We are going to be missing our target collections of forty eight percent by about six percent One other thing I want to mention and that is that as of September 30th If we if we look at the revenue exceeding expenses on a cash basis was a hundred forty six thousand nine hundred and seventy seven dollars If we use the moderate modified accrual method It's a hundred and seventy two thousand two hundred and one dollars. I think we have a very good chance Because of the increased volume that we've been the and by increased volume I mean the number of calls that the fire department is making if we can improve on the percentage of our collections We stand a very very good chance of having just an outstanding year Our first year in the in the ambulance service But we're gonna have to we're gonna have to find out some answers as to why The collections are are low Also in fairness in fairness to the answering service just one more thing I want to mention is we've asked the finance director to track the receivables from 2008 into the first quarter of two thousand and nine So we get an accurate picture at the end of the first quarter of two thousand and nine Which we what we what we actually collected for the year two thousand and eight so I want this I and I think I speak for all of the finance committee We want this financial reporting of the ambulance service That's being done by the finance department to be as transparent as possible and for our citizens of Sheboygan to know Exactly what's going on so I I see the only thing that we need to improve on is just the percentage of our collections And we're gonna be working very hard on that and the finance committee is going to be monitoring that very closely as we go forward Thank you your honor. Thank you Thank you, I I echo Alderman Bourne's Concerns about receivables. That's it. That's a big deal, but a couple of points. I wanted to bring up So that people don't think this is a doom and gloom situation. It's actually just the opposite And Alderman Bourne again is accurate and correct despite that The ambulance service is at ninety-five point three percent at the end of the third quarter of its annual goal In other words four point seven percent needs to be made in the fourth quarter for it to exceed Those are remarkable performance numbers in excess of any projections from a revenue side and in addition We've heard a lot about and I get kind of tired of it frankly the cooking of the books Comments that we occasionally hear at public forum The report that you all have for the ambulance service is not prepared by the fire department the finance committee I think wisely move that so it's prepared. Pardon me isn't compared prepared by the fire department It's prepared by the finance department so the Conspiracy to cook the books would have to go all the way down to our billing company in Mekwan to the finance department in some big smoke-filled room the numbers are true and accurate and Alderman Bourne is accurate and correct and the finance committee is in full support of everything. He said Only I just didn't want to leave the impression that things are going stinky things are going Incredibly well until our bottom line and exceeding expectations and the citizens should be proud of the service. Thank you Okay, we will call the vote on 16 1 to 16 21 consent agenda, please call the roll Bourne bauk Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Meyer Montemayor Rinfleshe Ryan Sirich van der wheel for hassled and wangeman 15 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 1622 to be referred report of officers to 1623 Alderman Meyer Thank you, your honor. I would like to make a motion to refer this Our rollback to public works. We are still waiting on some information from the town of Wilson It's our second to that Second any discussion All in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries 1624 by the city clerk submitted is a matter of record a communication from the board of directors of the How do you pronounce it? It's click annoy of the click annoy Foundation approving a distribution to the city of Sheboygan in the amount of five thousand dollars to be used For the preservation project by the city clerk for the early city records President Hannah just motion to accept info say I would make a motion to Move the report of officer be accepted and placed on fire Second thank you any discussion on that all in bulk. Thank you, your honor I just like to say that I have some dealings some volunteer organizations I serve on outside the city and the click annoy foundation is very generous And cares deeply about the history and preserving the history of this city And I just on behalf of all of us like to thank the click annoy foundation for their contribution. Thank you. Thank you Any other discussion? All in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 1625 by the city clerk Submitting a communication from the city clerk Expressing gratitude to the community for all the support that was received during the presidential election process Would you like to make a motion to accept info? All in barn thank you. I'll make a motion to accept and file Is there a second? Second under discussion under discussion your honor before Madam city clerk reads her document. I Just want to say on behalf of the citizens of Sheboygan The thank yous should start at the top with madam city clerk Sue Richards for And as the people she's going to thank here But also from for madam city clerk for the thank you for running an outstanding election And also your innovation for using the volunteers probably one of the first cities in Wisconsin that's done that and I think it was very effective. So thank you Thank you very much You have the floor I have the floor boy. This is once every four years Basically my office is reeling from exhaustion but exhilaration from November 4th Then I sat down and I felt really it was really important to share this with all of you and the public On my thoughts on what happened on that day It's to the city of Sheboygan as I reflect on the past months of preparing for what has proven To truly be a historic making election I want to offer my deepest thanks to all the people who played a part whether large or small In making this presidential election such a huge success Voter turnout in the city of Sheboygan for this election was almost 80 percent That's truly amazing and I sincerely hope that voters continue to vote at not only the presidential election But at all local and state elections An election of this magnitude takes months of planning organizing training and people This city is blessed with a group of dedicated and caring poll workers that make sure that the voting process Is transparent and available to every eligible voter One of my main missions was to get extra support for the poll workers so that they could survive a very very long day I felt strongly that I needed to reach out to the community and ask for their help I was overwhelmed by the response from citizens of Sheboygan I received many many phone calls from people saying I can give you four hours of my time wherever you need me or my husband and I can come after work We'd love to help The list of people grew and grew and I had my volunteer greeters at all of the polling locations Offering their assistance to voters to find the right line or maybe a smile and a thank you for voting Another part of this community that rose to the occasion were the high school students from our four high schools in Sheboygan What a fantastic opportunity for these marvelous young people to play such an important role in this election They worked side by side with our poll workers throughout the day being part of this exciting and challenging election process These wonderful young adults are this country's future voters I am so proud of all of them and believe this once in a lifetime experience with will remain with them always So many people played an important part in the success of this day that I can't possibly name them all From the newspapers and radio stations that were 100 behind my efforts to involve and inform the community To my crew from public works that make sure that all the equipment is properly delivered and set up at all the polling locations To the fabulous group of seniors from the senior Sheboygan senior activity center Who's stamped and folded thousands of ballots to the county clerk and her staff are always being available to us To the mayor all the persons and department heads who when I asked for help they were right there with whatever I needed Every single city department offered their help to the city clerk's office during this very challenging time Sheboygan should be very proud of their city employees. These are dedicated caring people who want what is best for this community Thank you also to my temporary help. You jumped in and did a phenomenal job Finally and most important would be my staff Linda Long Cynda Langhoff Cheryl Smith and Barb Ohm These women represent a strength and dedication to their jobs and their community that cannot be rivaled They constantly give 1000 percent to everything they do The city clerk's office is more than just a group of employees coming to work every day We are a team dedicated to provide excellent service to this community These women are my support system through the good times and the bad and I thank them from the bottom of my heart I am truly honored to serve as sheboygan city clerk And i'm so proud to be a part of this community and wish to say thank you because of you This city can proudly say that sheboygan came through this presidential election with flying colors Thank you very much. Thank you. So Any other discussion if not all in favor say aye. Any opposed? motion carries 16 26 and 27 lies over to november 24th 16 28 through 16 39 To be referred Make one notation on 16 39 that would also be referred to transit commission resolutions introduced 3 16 40 by olerman hannah montemayor Creating a temporary government structure committee to collect data study and make recommendations to the common council as to the economic and administrative feasibility of having a city manager or Or city administrator versus a full-time mayor in a corporate council versus a city attorney president hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that the resolution will be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion All right Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I move that this uh Document be referred to the committee of the whole The the timing of this at this point The makeup of the committee As such to study this Controversial and very important issue for our city. I believe that requires more discussion from this council Then we could possibly have tonight And definitely needs to be discussed by this council before our committee is formed So I I move that it be referred to the committee of the whole Motion is second to refer to committee of the whole any discussion on the motion to refer Olerman montemayor On the motion to refer no no any discussion on the motion to refer All on about thank you, mr. Mayor. If it's so pleased the the council We could hold a meeting as early as december 8th at 7 15 if it ends up being your will and pleasure very good and I I would agree with The notion that this is a important discussion that needs to be held wisely and thoroughly by the the council I I I welcome the information that it's going to come out of this particular study I would like to correct the uh, the erroneous deduction that was made in the shabuigan press that I was upset about it I I am not upset about it. I I I I hope that I can be a part of the discussions myself I've even asked the chamber of commerce that maybe they could have a friday forum on this issue too I think it's a An issue that has been circulating around for for many years People have talked about this they talked about corporate council versus a city attorney Attorney mcclean holds a position and a mayor versus the administrator and city manager job It's nothing new So I hope you guys have a great discussion on it Anything else all in favor say I All right Opposed motion carries 1641 through 1642 Lies over president hannah you have one on 1641. Yes. Thank you, uh, mr. Mayor I need to make a motion to suspend the rules Is there a second to that and is there any, uh Objection There is none just proceed. Okay. Can I explain very quickly? It's just very important that we Have the time to print the personal care account cards. Okay. I need a motion Make a motion To put the Let's put the resolution upon its passage Motion in second 1641 upon its passage under discussion All the money very price I know details. So all the winter flesh is popping up again. I would ask that The term benny card be amended to benefit card. I'm sure this is probably the official name, but Probably legally if we're going to grant the benefit card versus a benny card That we changed it in the resolution I'll make that motion. I made a motion. Is there a second? second Any discussion All women higher. Oh, thank you, ronner. I believe the card is referred. It is called a benny card It is not called the benefit card So I don't know if if changing the name is going to Do anything That it won't hurt it change it. It won't hurt to leave it the way it is There's a motion on the floor. Are you speak second time? Yeah, no, it's it's really more question if it truly is called the benefit card Then I have no problem staying as you know if it says on the benny card If it does not though, I think just for clarification the legally is being a proper Then it's fine. But if if someone can answer that question if it truly is called that then I have no problem So does that would you please come up? One question. Does it does it call a benny card or a benefit card? It is truly Pardon me. It's truly called the benny card and employees get on my benny.com It's a red card and it actually has the word benny on it Here's a card says benny Okay, thank you. Do you wish to withdraw your motion? No, thank you Thank you Okay, we have a motion to put 1641 upon this passage any more discussion Please call the roll Boke Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Meyer Montemayor Rinfleisch Ryan Suric Vanderwheel Verhassel Wongamon and Boran Aye 14 ayes one abstention Motion carries To be referred 1643 through 1645 And prior to that I did say that 1642 would lie over Report of committee 5 1646 to be referred Report of committee 6 1647 by law and licensing Recommending denying beverage operators license number 8077 based on the applicant's failure to include all relevant convictions On the license application and failure to cooperate with the committee Vice president borne Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and It's our second second under discussion under discussion your honor is uh, Stephanie Garcia here tonight She's not here your honor. Please proceed. Thank you Uh, Ms. Garcia had two opportunities to appear before our committee the second one by certified mails. She did not appear So therefore she did not cooperate with the committee and uh Failed to reveal all of her convictions on our application. So therefore it was a unanimous Decision by the committee to deny the application. Thank you Any other discussion There is done. Please call the roll decker Yes, sir Hannah heidemann kittleson Meyer Montemayor Rinflesh ryan Suruk Vander wheel for hasselt wangaman boron and bulk 15 eyes motion carries 1640 48 by public works recommending filing documents submitting a communication from the boys and girls club of shabuigan county Requesting use of the land park for the gust mackere three on three basketball tournament in 2009 and approving the request with the condition that Additional security be hired for the event I'll allman meyer and then i'll want to give the council and the public an explanation I'll thank you your honor. Um, I move that the rc be accepted and adopted Is there a second? Thank you under discussion under discussion We have had a very um Lengthly discussions on this issue Um, we are we have worked the problems out We feel the gust mackere will be held on the lakefront where it had been previously But they will not be using the marina parking or the boat launch parking We are moving down to the d-land park for their parking We will be possibly using some of the frontage of the y for courts And this this should not impact the marina. It should not impact the boaters We are going to have the gust mackere will hire security to make sure that people are not parking in the wrong parking lots Um, we feel very strongly that this solution will work for everybody I know there's a lot of rumor and misinformation in the community But I think we are all intelligent. We've talked we've worked out the situation and gust mackere has made it very clear That they want to stay on the lakefront because that is the reason people are coming to shabuigan They could go to any blacktop in any part of the the state And um, we are in the number two Spot in the country. We have people as far away as florida coming to shabuigan for this event because of our lakefront This brings in I believe it was close to five thousand people For this gust mackere event and i'm hoping that the solutions we've come up with are going going to solve all the problems Thank you I'd just like to offer an explanation To some of the comments that were made tonight and perhaps some of the comments that are floating around the city of shabuigan And there's two things that we need to look at. First of all, we need to look at we have two conflicting documents Which we've discussed before that one will tend to override the not 10 will override the other I'm hoping that the council will accept and adopt that 1648 and file 1649 for two reasons One is the marina committee does not have authority to Deny or grant the The use of our parks that's public works the marina committee has no authority to do that I'm not sure why why that happened the second reason is Is probably the best reason of all and that is that I believe a fair reasonable compromise has been reached I did speak with mike froh who is the chairman of the marina committee and Alderman meyer and kim swisher were present also We had a very good discussion as to what the concerns were and how we could make this thing work I'm a huge supporter of fisherman I'm a huge supporter of the marina, but i'm also a huge supporter of the boys and girls club I know exactly what they do and the benefits that they provide to our children in the community And i'm extremely proud of that particular club and the work that jeff has done there So what we had is we had an issue that involves some some competing interest And competing concerns and what I wanted to do is get together with the individuals that were involved And how do we make this thing work for this year and perhaps look at other alternatives during the year for the next year And as I said, I believe we've reached a good compromise. I'll admire pretty much outline what that compromise is I did speak with uh As I said with mike froh he was agreeable to that I spoke with jeff. He promised to get back to me. I called today. I actually spoke to tom libel lipham tom lipham who is the chairman of the board for the boys and girls club And he is an agreement of this particular compromise I believe that this resolution is a fair resolution The boys and girls club are happy the marina as a committee is uh From what I understand from mike I would would be happy And we can have this event and then start thinking well Have some serious discussion with the boys and girls club about where where we want where they want to go from here on Okay, next we have all of them Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I agree. I think both events for the city of shabuagan are huge When I first went to school and I was going to school in michigan And you several people that were traveling to shabuagan who didn't know I was from there just to play basketball And that's not surely not as far away as florida is but uh, that's many many years ago already That people have been doing that certainly is becoming even a bigger event and it is because of where it's being held But likewise we have one of the best fishing areas In the great lakes as well and we get a lot of tourists from all over this country fishing here as well and I think we need to find a way and I think that way was found To meet to meet both goals because tourism is an important part of our economy here and This one particular weekend It's a good problem to have that we have so many people want to use it the area We have other areas the city where no one wants to use we have an area that everyone wants to use That's a good problem to have so I commend the public works department I commend you in your office for finding a way that we can have both Protect the property of the boat owners keep access for the lake for the boat owners and still hold the event near the lake front Thank you. Thank you Next we have all and ryan Thank you, mr. Mayor. I I do believe this is a good compromise. Um You know we have the new sheboygan sailing center going in down at down at the uh by the marina also Which will uh make it that much more congested this summer So provided that there is ample security to keep that parking lot open for the for the boaters for the fishermen Um that those people that that pay two to three thousand dollars a year for a slip at our marina Have access to their boats. Um, I think this is a great compromise the uh the boys and girls Uh club in the uh gustmacker is a The boys and girls club is a great organization the gustmacker is a great event that draws many thousand people to our city So I will being on the marina in harbour committee as a compromise. I will support this also Thank you. Oh, we're going to do so Thank you your honor. Um, I'm also on the with alderman ryan on the marina and harbour um committee committee and um I've received a lot of calls on this on all sides and I just wanted to uh, thank Alderperson meyer and yourself Uh in working with mike fro and the people of the boys and girls club It was kind of a landmine issue every time you stepped everybody had their own feelings and everybody wants to help the boys and girls club And I think this compromise that was worked out frankly by your office with uh with alderperson meyer um Is excellent and uh and with the message that We have a year to look at other alternatives. I think is spectacular. So I just want to thank you for that. Thank you And we have vice president borne Thank you, your honor. I guess I just need a clarification first of all I definitely support the compromise for 2009 However, I do that. I do that support keeping it down there after 2009 And I guess uh your discussions that you had with mr. Liveham the board Uh, they are this is going to be the last year in 2009 or is that still open? We're definitely going to move it starting in 2010 Uh, I was on the marina committee last year And this this subject was is nothing new to this year The the director of the boys and girls club was already put on notice last year that At least from the marinas committee standpoint that He should be looking for another for another location and I believe with that With that suggestion from the marina committee Kim Schwisher looked at the venue down by blue harbor And also even looked into parking over at the pent air parking lot and got permission for the for the people to park down there and hold it over at the at the the um blue harbor area and uh I would think you know looking at it. There there are a lot more amenities down in that area And a lot of small businesses on that side of the river that could be using traffic that the gust macker tournament would Would generate and it probably is a little more work for the director of the boys and girls club to have to go down there Uh and design how he's going to do the courts But my understanding the the study showed that kim schwisher did that it easily could be handled down at blue harbor Uh, and again, there's a lot of amenities on that side of the river and a lot of small businesses That could benefit from those 5 000 people coming down there and now in the parking lot over at the marina There's really not a lot of businesses real close that can benefit. So I will support the compromise with the idea That 2009 is the last year that it's going to be held at the marina. So we have that understanding with them that uh That it's probably going to move in 2010 probably may I probably is uh the the correct term the understanding is that They will do it. They will operate the gust macker event under the compromise terms and within the next year We will talk pretty vigorously as to what the alternatives are because I think it's pretty clear to the Boys and girls club that the sentiment of the council and a lot and part of the community is that it needs to move Perhaps it's outgrown at its location and that there could be other other Locations that would be just as good or better Uh, they've agreed to to meet periodically so that we can talk about those options and that's in the probability Your term probably is correct I support Having good candid discussions about what work can we go work in the gust macker event go after this year? Okay On about your next miss mayor. Yeah, just on behalf of the uh the residents of district two, uh, which is where gust macker happens We'd just like to say that I I see every year It clogs our streets right up but in a good way You can't find a parking spot anywhere within three or four blocks of the beach front that whole time And I'm usually out in my yard that weekend working around and I forget about the tournament And I wake up and all of a sudden there are no parking spots and I see lots of uh young men And and a few young women and their and their fathers usually their fathers and they're bouncing a basketball. They're dressed in their favorite, uh Basketball jersey and they're having father-son conversations or male role model conversations And I see them all flocking from inland walking down my street and down the steps down to the beach and stuff And it's just it's probably a little crowded for the people going to the beach It's crowded for the people wanting to go fishing but all in all I think it's probably a pretty good thing It's a it's a great event. It's good for it's good for district two It makes us remember that people really like our city and really like our beach even if it is a parking convenience and I think it's a gem and I'm glad about the compromise because we want to make sure because again We love our boaters too and they they pay an awful lot of money to have access down there So I think we found a good compromise that's good for the city and good for all the interested parties And I thank the mayor for his work. Thank you Okay, there's no more discussion. Let's call a row on uh 16 48 to accept in the doubt Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Meyer Montemayor Rindflige Ryan Surrick Van Der Wiel Verhassel Wongamon Boran Bauch Dekker 15 eyes motion carries 16 49 Thanks, thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to uh File the report of committee second motion and second to file under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed? motion carries 16 51 16 52 to be referred Report of committee 16 53 and 54 lies over to november 24th Ordinance introduced 10 16 55 to be referred Matters laid over Resolution number 1420809 by all the persons Gisha Playunas borne and Montemayor Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget Establishing revenue and appropriation for the donation received for park bench on Gisha Thank you, your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call roll Hanna Kittleson Meyer Montemayor Rin Flesh Ryan Surrick Van Der Wiel Verhasselt Wongamon Boran Bauch Dekker And Gisha Aye 15 eyes motion carries 1532 resolution number 1430809 By all the persons Gisha Montemayor Bauch and Boran authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget Establishing appropriations for early retirement incentive payments. The advance will be be will be repaid with interest over five years with the first payment in June 2010 or Magesha. Thank you, your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call roll Heidemann Kittleson Meyer Montemayor Rin Flesh Ryan Surrick No Van Der Wiel Aye Verhasselt Aye Wongamon No Boran Aye Bauch Aye Dekker Aye Gisha Aye Hanna Aye 11 eyes for noes Motion carries 1533 resolution number 1440809 By all the persons Gisha, Klayunas, Boran, Bauch and Montemayor Authorizing the finance director treasurer to enter into contract for HVAC improvements at fire station number three Alderman Gisha Thank you, your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call roll Kittleson Meyer Montemayor Rin Flesh Ryan Surrick Van Der Wiel Aye Verhasselt Wongamon Aye Boran Aye Bauch Dekker Aye Gisha Aye Hanna Aye and Heidemann Aye 15 eyes Motion carries 1553 general ordinance number 670809 By all the persons Hanna, Heidemann, Kittleson, Rin Flesh and Ryan Amendment general ordinance number 660809 Dated December 3rd 2007 Related to a no parking zone along the north side of Martin Avenue from west curb line of north 15th street to a point 67 feet west there of President Hanna Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Oh, uh, please call roll Meyer Montemayor Rin Flesh Ryan Surrick Van Der Wiel Verhasselt Wongamon Boran Aye Bauch Dekker Gisha Aye Hanna Aye Heidemann Aye and Kittleson Aye 15 eyes Motion carries other matters authorized by law turning McLean 1656 is an arode by the city clerk submitting a communication from Carter Paulus requesting an outside audit For the complete fire department for determining the accuracy of their quarterly and annual financial reports with emphasis on the paramedic costs salaries Expenses equipment and related costs that will be referred to finance and public protection and safety 1657 is an arode by the city clerk submitting a communication from vicki hall expressing her puzzlement and frustration As to why the common council would not seek input on the proposed Sheboygan playground project from the board of parks and forestry commissioners. That will be referred to public works committee 1658 is an arode by the deputy finance director treasurer submitting the harbor center marina balance sheet from operations dated october 31 2008 has submitted by skipper marine That will be referred to marina and harbor committee in motion to adjourn Oh, i'm sorry. We got one more 1659 Is an arode by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2009 and june 30 2010 That will be referred to law and license in I make a motion to adjourn All in favor say aye. Aye Opposed Stand adjourned