 Welcome to the Topic TV podcast. No, I do what episode. 19. 19, is that what it is? 19 Paul Hardcastle. 19 Paul Hardcastle. 1985, I think. Was it that? It wasn't more like 87. I don't know Paul Hardcastle. 18 or Paul Hardcastle. I thought it was only 14 numbers in the 80s. Have you ever not heard of the song? 19. Well for Vietnam. Vietnam. Some lad from his bedroom in Clwyddon decided to do a song about Vietnam. Like the Rolling Stones did? I mean, I'll say you heard for it. The average age of people who died in the Vietnam War was 19, so we wrote a catchy tune about it, cos that's exactly what you do, isn't it? Fair enough. I'm sending a message to you about how sad it was, the lads of 19. Brethren, I'm not sad any more, are they? Swithly moving on. Picking up the mood. Picking up the baton there. Yeah, and then got, then did another song, which was called The Thin Tune, for the top of the pops. Oh, back into Vietnam, eh? No, that one goes back to it. That one wasn't called for it, that one wasn't called for it, no. That one was called something more upbeat, upbeat. I don't know, I don't really remember. Career? I don't think I've got a great career out of it, got a really good career out of it, yeah. Yeah, eh, very good career out of it. Got the shovel beats. The what? No, no? Nothing. What did it work for? A Bronsky beat, have you said that? Yeah, Bronsky beats, yeah. Do you mean something like that? I watch your wind. I've been a love singing, let's be honest. I love the singing. I mean, that's what they come for. Yeah, see what's all this? Come for the football, stay for the Bronsky beats. Aw, do you mean showmable? What do you get out of the spot? Why do people do that? Aw, he's got a great career. No, I'm saying that. Great life. Where did he go? He was like, he was big. Well, he wasn't big, he was only five or nothing. But he was like, he was doing well. And then he just disappeared. The scene moved on. The scene literally moved on. What, stop. Did you ever see him? No, Bronsky beat that, he literally replaced him with something like a lookalike. So I pulled my card in the Beatles? No, but because what was the difference is that he actually told people. He didn't say that it was him. He didn't say that it was him. The Beatles was this thing. Was it for one year? Did he ever play something like that? No, he just stopped taking steroids. So he looked different, but we'll move that on. Allegedly. No, no, he did. Oh, he did. He did it, yeah. Oh, OK. Got caught and fell a drug test. So it's OK, we can say that. Oh, OK. And then died. Yeah, tried it now. He wasn't tragically, he just died. I mean, well, I'm not, you know. It's not the first of the last wrestler. No, no, no. Kevin, do you ever remember Fake Diesel? Yeah, Kevin Nash. Kevin Nash is ugly brother. That was Kane, no? Yeah, and Fake Raising Ramon. Yeah. There you go. Fake Raising. He wouldn't get this in any other podcast. He wouldn't go from the Vietnam War to Jimmy Shumovill. But imagine he's standing just now, right? To Bronsky beat. He didn't like him anymore and he just brought Fake Phil Mitchell in. Well, he didn't do loads of fake people in soaps. What are you talking about? Well, I suppose Matt and Farrah's fake though, but you know. There's loads of fakes in there. No, but Phil Mitchell, he's like a big character in, you know. He couldn't fake Phil Mitchell. He couldn't fake Phil Mitchell. Unless Ross Kemp did it. That'd be the ultimate irony. That he just like grew stubble and pretend that he was Phil. No, the ultimate irony would be what if Ross Kemp came to Albert Square with a film crew as Ross Kemp doing the gans of East End and he had to go and see. And he had to go to Phil Mitchell. Phil Mitchell, but he was playing. He wasn't playing Grant Mitchell. No, no, he wasn't doing the gans. He and Ross Kemp. Ross Kemp, like a documentary and he's got all man united in Albert Square. I've had a documentary coming in. And Ross Kemp's saying something. We're here. Gans of Albert Square. Gans of Albert Square. This is where it goes on. Gilks, the Mitchell brothers. The Mitchell's. Where's he gone? Grant Mitchell and all that. There you go. Where is Grant Mitchell? And you might look at the camera and you'd be looking at the camera back thinking it's you, isn't it? It's just jump-side to side and do the different voices. Didn't they do that in the... They've done that in a couple of films. Didn't they do that in... They did that in Ocean's 12 where the... Julie Roberts was in the first one. It's Ocean's 11. And then she played herself in the second one as Julie Roberts. And they also did it in... Oh, what's the... What's the name? What was the name? The name was... Oh, what's the name? What's the name of the... The name was... The name was... Cos you've said that three times. The name was... Renny Selviger. Played the English girl. What's the name? Bidget Jones. Bidget Jones in the second Bidget Jones film. Bidget Jones, isn't it? No. Colin... Colin Faith played himself. But he's also played Colin Faith. There you go. I'm really confused. So, really, Ross Kemp, playing Ross Kemp wouldn't be... She could be a stretch for his actor abilities to play himself. He'd just go, I really love you! He was brilliant. Like he was having a thump. He was brilliant. He was in X's. Do you think... What do you think he'd be like when the chimes go off in the 31st knowing everyone's paid the money? Cos, you know, we're all donating. There should be a special, like, badge you can buy that helps the cause. Not the cause, obviously. But what big bang cause? The big bang cause. You love the big bang cause? You can't mention it. I know, I think it's still in this. I think it's mad that a load of lunatics think paying half a million quid to wear some bells at midnight in literally... It's just literally the maddest thing on Earth. I mean, it's not the maddest thing on Earth. No, it's not the maddest thing on Earth. Australia is on fire and the ice shelf in the Arctic is about to fall off. Are they related, though? Well, they are related actually, like, literally, directly co-op. Fire and ice is the cold. Fire, I mean, yeah. This is real life game of the throne. I've seen something today, just to move on, just before we get into the football. That's it. A star is about to explode very soon. A star is going to go supernova. And they reckon it's a champagne. We'll all be able to see it from Earth. That's how big it's going to be. They reckon in the next 100,000 years. But it's very close over in the next 100,000 years. Well, you won't be seeing it, will we? I'll be lucky to see the... The champs. No, the... Ely's Comets, Ely's Comets, cos it's 1986 when I was born. And it'll be 2096, won't it? Don't put yourself down. It'll be 2076, isn't it? Oh, it's every 77 years. Are you right, sir? I was wrong. It's 54, I think. It's coming back, yeah. Don't put yourself down. Yeah, you might still be around. Thanks, guys. Just keep it at it. Keep trucking. Keep on driving. That would be fake trucks, by the way. Kei busch, Peter Gabriel. You know? Don't get it. Given that we're on brunch, you're beating com again. That's my view. I like Kei busch. It's a mirror. All the nights. Keith Cliff. Yeah. It's me. Kathy. It's Kathy. I've come home. Partage version was the best. I like the one when she was at the top of the iltation stones. Clair buster. That's the one. Bwch chi. Bwch chi was head dad in the video. You should know this. Being the man. It wasn't my dad. Oh, I can't. Oh, I can't. It was Christopher Walken. What now? I really want to do this for you. I really want to do this for you. I really want to do this for you. I really want to do this for you. It was, um... Oh, Keith Cliff. He fell ahead. Keith Cliff stuck up my ass for three years. It was Keith of Sutherland's dad. Oh, Donald. Big Don. Big Don. Big Don. Big Don. And I only mention that because Baz loves Keith of Sutherland. Yeah. Because he loves 24. Oh, right. I love Jack Bowie. I thought you're a big fan of Lost Boys or something like that. No. No. No. No. Well, I felt weird filming Sally Field. I'm really pleased I met her, aren't I? No. No, you've lost me. You've lost it. You've lost it. You've lost it. It's a bit of a 90s B movie. Is it? He went through that face. He was a bit of a B movie. He was? He had his early 80s success, obviously being in Lost Boys. And then took a little bit of a nosedive and then came back as... Did you see that? I mean, there's a lovely link there because many should have been marrying Julia Roberts. He was with the lady of the night one day. You were unfortunately chasing Patrick Stoll. Stoll Julia Roberts off Keith of Sutherland. Well, I think when you should be turning up at the church and you're with someone that you've paid for. Well, but you grabbed me there when I had Liz Hailey. I was a mistake of a lifetime when it was finished. He's had a me there. I don't know. I love it on his own because you know that I like it here. He's done well. And to be fair to Liz Hailey, she's miles better now than she was about 20 years ago. She was walking around in dresses with safety pins in, which we all appreciated. Is he fixing it? But Hugh, obviously Hugh wanted to go on a different route. With the camera? With the camera? I mean, it just looked like he muted saying though. You know, we've been in the 80s back to the 70s. No, no, no, 19. Anyway, so, Satie, we played a team, Brighton, Albin, Hove and Hove Albin. But Brighton, Hove and Albin. Something they gave me to get too in depth. No, I mean, I think we've illustrated that by the start of the podcast. Yeah, we won. Good performance. You see little hints of the style coming out. And I think as we get more and more training time on the car, we'll see a much better performance. I think after the week we had, we just needed a win. And nothing else mattered. And it was never going to be one of those games we've got at St Park that was going to get the imagination fired off of us here. I mean, it's brightened at the end of the day. And it was one of those games that it should have been a 2-0. It possibly could have been a 3-0. And we would have been all very comfortable and all very happy. And it was just that it was a 1-0. So the last 10, 15 minutes become a little bit dodgy, yeah. And players probably got a little bit nervous themselves. But we got over the line and it was, to be fair, it was a really, really good goal that won us the game. Yeah, that sums it up perfectly. We were the better team. It should have been a bigger margin. They were poor. And no one could have complained if it had been too... From there, no one could have complained if it had been too a 3-0. Pickford's made one save yet in the game. In a week like we did, and it was proper just evident on it, what we do, there was a lot of pressure on the game for the simple reason that people went to Gouldersen going right usual. So we're going to sit here using it to perform. The atmosphere wasn't great. It was quite muted, which felt a bit like a New Year's Day game. But for the players who were playing in that game and have to respond, there is a lot of edginess coming to the last 10 or 15 minutes, and again, you know you have to win. And you've got something to throw away. Calvert Llewman's goal was a stud. Then the last 15, 20 minutes would have been very comfortable. But as 1-0... But then I think some of that... I know we obviously don't want this, but I think I don't need to lay on how to win games 1-0. Because on the mark of silver, obviously we seem to throw away leads like no one's business at the time. So I think the fans are a bit more and more confident in the team kind of all done. Because the nails creeping from the crowd don't go towards the end as well. And I think obviously Carlos, obviously instilled a bit more of a winning mentality in them. So hopefully that continues, obviously. I know people are obviously looking to a Europe, but let's take each game as it comes and see where we end up. Yeah, after a game like that, you look at what got you the win, and there's a lot being said about the substitutions as well. And all you can do is lay in from it, isn't it? And as a fan you, I've got to lay in from it as well, is that if you get a couple of them, get kind of games. I mean, really, it was a quite comfortable game. It just didn't have that second goal. Get the bar in there, I suppose. I haven't got a lane to have that composure at 1-0 to go on and win the game. And I thought we did for the most part. We just didn't get it. And then Blightingham obviously got nothing to lose then. Throw everything at us. We changed the system. We changed, you know, the subs were quite defensive, which will happen. He's Italian, that's what'll happen. And as a fan, you've got to just lean out to deal with that as well, that nervousness, because as you said, people went there. It wasn't toxic, it wasn't awful. It wasn't over the top. It was more like, I'm just going to sit here today. And that's the way I felt. I was just like, I'm just going to sit here today. And it's up to you too, to sort of wrong some rights from the week before. But at the same time, I was still very mindful that we'd had a really good four or five weeks. And it wasn't just going to get thrown away just because of one really poor performance or one really poor off against, you know, that Liverpool side. Is it not though that that's the problem with football now? Is everything's in the microcosm. And we are as a fan base. A lot of fan bases are week to week. And every game is so big and it's over. And we don't go through a game where we go, all right, we've passed that game and people are still going, oh, those subs. What was it doing? We won the game. And now I've got my ideas. And obviously that's part of me analysing games. But I think when we win, you don't have to go, well, he was still bad in that game. It's become sort of opinions of players are so week to week as well. You know, you look at like, the whole game has one bad game. We always knew he was bad. It'd be like he didn't have a bad game, by the way. But that's an example of how it works. And I think we just have to see a bigger picture. I've seen that, the perfect example of that was the week before I'd seen people criticising the charlison. And his attitude, he's not good enough. He's shulked, his attitude is terrible, this, that and the other. And yet, he scores that goal on Saturday. And people are like, the only good player we've got. And he said, don't get me wrong, there's a hell of a lot of fans who don't think like that. But you see that and that happens with all kinds and with all the players. And you're right, it's, you have to learn how to win football matches. It's one goal conceded in the last four goals. And since Norwich beat us, we've only conceded one goal alone. And that was November. So we're in January. You know, we've, like you said the other day, if you want to throw stats around, we're at a 75% win rate under Calamante Lottie in the Premier League. So that's quite good. We'll be in teams until we've started the season. Now remember we couldn't make teams down and score goals against your family's. We couldn't do it. So now we've reversed that. Right. So that's a plus? We've, like Pett said, since we walked out of Anfield on, you know, the first time, the first embarrassing derby in December of fourth. We've lost one game and that was against the champions in the Premier League. It was against the current champions. They were still a good side. So people have to remember that. You know, if you don't walk, if we just sat here on the Thursday after the night, you know, after the day after Anfield and said, be coming up to West Ham away in the 18th of January, Everton have only lost one league game. We'd have all gone. Yeah, all right now. And that's what's transpired, you know? I think short term is, Tism has been the big problem, but that comes from what's been going on in the last four years of the club. And that's what I'm really hoping now becomes the big thing is that no fan can really criticise this manager, Carlo Anciolotti. You know, we were both at the Gemwell meeting last night, which we'll speak about in part two and just listening to him is just the air he has around him and just him meant he said, like, you know, I hope I'm here for a long time. He's got a lot of kids to give jobs to, yeah. Exactly, I've been listening to his book and him say, you know, talking about, like, you know, he takes every job, like he's going to be there forever, but always plans like he could be out the next day. I think that's the way we should be thinking about him is that this guy is going to be here hopefully for a long time. And if that happens, you know then he's going to do a good job and he's going to be pushing for those European places if he's given the backing and he can massive bands can get the people out the club and that should give us as fans a little bit of confidence. Well, a lot of confidence really, but also just let's start getting behind the project then because, you know, we're on 28 points now. You know, in real terms, we're four wins away from the magic four to mark, which we'll get no problem. And I think in the meantime, between now and the end of the season, you'll have a look at all the players. You know, we brought Michael Keenan for this game, put Jerry Mead on the bench. You might do something similar Saturday against West Ham. I think it's back in training. You know, we've got, you know, players coming back from injury now. You'll get a good look at everybody. Brands will try and get a few people. Start making plans to see who you can get in and out. And I think now is the time to just get behind them. The barbie, that's gone, the whole disaster. We know what's come from that. And it's just now time to get behind the whole project. I think the people haven't got patience because we haven't gone for a long time. So I do understand, as I'm a fan, obviously, all the things on both sides. But I think that you're right in the sense that we have to think we've got people in the right jobs now. I should say, whether you like, you know, whether you like Carlo or not, you can't question his resume. It's, you know, it's unreal. And in the sense that, so there's not many, even probably can't get a better answer, so there's no second guessing of it. So after that conference, he's going to take us to where we need to be. That's all we can do. We just have to go along with it. Instead of, you know, we're going to have, we're going to lose a couple of games. It's going to happen. You know, you can't, we can't live and die by every loss. We need to see the bigger picture. These players are playing for the place next season and the season after now. And they have to show Carlo that they're going to be good. You know, I think he said a couple of things last night about that at the age of me, that either we sit and players have to show for the end of the season and do the way for them. That's true. But I think the fans just need to be a bit, you know, be a bit patient and understand that people have got their pins on my master of brands. And I think they'll work together well. I think that, you know, Carlo raises the profile of the club. You'll raise the type of players you can get, I wouldn't say we're going to be buying your world superstars quite yet because we're not getting the Champions League, but we'll sign good players. And I think it'll work out quite well and it allows brands, probably, as you've said in the past periods, it doesn't have to be the face of the club anymore. Carlo is seven now. So brands can do his little bits in the background. Yeah, it's about kindness. You know, you've got, you've got a well-class manager in place. We've got a director of football in place, stadium stuff, progression. You've got to, I understand it. I mean, we're less patient now than we were under partners when things were, didn't look like they were improving, you know, after the first season. And that's a bit mad, but I understand it because obviously, cumin coming and Welsh and the money's arrived and things haven't gone the way we want them to. But we can't keep questioning every manager. Otherwise, we're never going to get anywhere. No, I knew it. Well, and it's funny because you just mentioned that we've got a well-class manager in place. We've got a well-class manager, but not only we've got a well-class manager, he's got the right temperament about him. Yeah. Like, you know, listen, if we've got bonitas, people will be questioning bonitas and I appreciate that. If we've got, let's say Mirino, I'm not saying we've got that, but if we had a Mirino, we know that how up and down he is, and that would, I think, rub off on our fans because he is so emotional. We've now got a manager who actually is personality, fits what we need more than anyone. Like, no, like, just like last week when he's questioned about the fans who went down to Finch Farm, his reaction towards that happens in Italy all the time, and that was it. And that was done. It was done. And there was no, he shut it down, and every time I hear him speak, he does that. He's like the shover problem in his face and he goes, I've seen that before because guess what? I've managed all over your top clubs. I've seen every scenario you can throw at me. This isn't new. It might be new to this club, but I've seen it, and that's what I think's fantastic about the appointment and why. Listen, I think everyone's behind it. I don't see people who are against it, but why? They're just, the patience has to be there. So when at this game the subs come on and I'm sitting there bewildered by them, I have to just go to myself. You know that nothing compared to this man. This man has forgotten more in the last five minutes than you've ever known about football. So therefore, sit down and shut up. And actually that's very hard for me. I wasn't bewildered by his subs at all. The only one that I went was the Yeri Mina one, but I understand exactly why he did it. He put Coleman on because the TV was all over the place. I understand. And Delph come on to try and get older the midfield. I wanted Moise Keane to come on because you're always one on attack to kill the game. You're not going to attack and you're going to defend. He wanted the game to be one on. Andy said it before. Or Perth won, he said it before. We've got to learn how to win games one-nil. The team at the top of the league has won more games this season by the odd goal than they have in the last four. So that's what happens. Good teams are one-nil to the Arsenal from years ago. If we can start being able to protect a goal lead everyone will get confidence and will get calm and you won't get that. Panicking things steeping round the stadium. When they go away from home on the one-nil up they'll be able to call on. That experience and you just said about Antelotti there. He is the perfect mentality because because of his standing in the game when he gives that answer to the press people just go oh yeah all right because you have seen it. You've worked with Perthes you've worked with Galliani you've worked with Baylor's yeah the other kid the De Larentes who's a nutty he's worked with owners and he's been able to shut them down he protects his team which is what he does and that in turn builds all the trust so us as fans just trust them I won everything he went on we were at the the general meeting last night and he talked about he was big enough the reception he got against Burnley it was incredible it was this and that that isn't good isn't it I said to Perthes he hasn't had anything yet no he hasn't had anything yet he's not had anything yet so let's make this let's put a last and impression on this fella of what Goddison Park can be like I want him the hares on his next hand I don't know because that's what it does to us when it's when we're on it and it's bouncing that'll be something that you will never forget and when he experiences it he'll want it again and again and again and then he can get that across to his players he's the perfect man because of the tempo I think you're absolutely right Marino is a fantastic manager but he's up and down he gets a cob on he argues he's this emotional Benitez is a brilliant technical manager but does he inspire likes a bit of conflict and also the minute we hit a rocky patch which we will under this manager because you do under every manager the knives would have been out this fella is a calming influence right the way through and for a club that is let's be honest is entering a critical stage of its history in terms of the stadium and the new owner and everything and we're trying to we're trying to build this team up to a team they said it last night again at the general meeting the long-term goal of this team is to be in the champions league is to be trying to win trophies to get there you have to be calm you have to back everything and trust is the biggest word I would use and we have to learn to trust we do now the only one thing I'll say and the part and thing is car brings expectation but we need to be realistic about how quickly we can bring it of course you know we're not just going home in the league next season people need to be realistic we probably can't spend money in the summer what do you say to the caveat at all so when people go left the city that's an outlier I agree you can be done it can be done but it's an outlier so entering the season section rather than the room yeah so Evan shouldn't expect to win the tele if we do oh my god great you know honestly but you can't expect it just before we move on the goal the goal was absolutely in this game Evan did play some nice football at times and again probably what was a little bit frustrate me just the final ball wasn't quite there but I thought Bernard was magnificent until he tired you know in that area Andy you spoke before about seeing little things in games now that Bernard coming off the left and playing centrally and pulling out numbering which is something anti a lot he talks about we talked about it the other week they overloaded me and Bernard doing that role is absolutely brilliant because it sucks the defender inside and I thought he was key but the goal was absolutely brilliant it was a great feat I think the pass by the team was good it was first time I have his feet you know he's brown to his feet remember Charles and obviously does what a goal score it does and the boxy comes alive takes drags it one way drags it the other then puts it in the corner very gozzling that's good it was a great goal it was you know good that it was a fitting goal to win the game if you're going to win a 1-0 the best bit of quality in it and that was the difference and I suppose in terms of Evan you know and the rest we've got that quality that's what actually separates us from clubs like Brighton and it was that thing you know that you were hitting early in the scenes when we have got we have got a better squad but the other players have to do the hard work and that was always Mike and Shane the day when doing the hard work to allow the quality to come through and I think with the organisation and what's been asked of them in the last month we've started to find that hard work and we're starting to and what's good about hard work is if same people are doing it it weans out to people who aren't doing it and then you start seeing what is required so and that's what that's what the best teams have like the teams at the top have hard work and it's the quality that wins the game but the hard work can win the games when you're good as well but if you're underperform and you won't because you'll go and can see this is what you talked about matters before this is the problem when we had matters certainly in the second season and the third season when more we had quality but people didn't work hard so therefore the classic case was when we got to be by Stoke was a 5-4 4-3 4-3 sorry and the car who scored a couple of goals and he scored and he was going to be a lot better and then he's looking at the defenders when they're giving away cheap goals looking at going what you I think he loved loved the keeper yeah but he's looking at the defence in the second half don't forget we went in 3-2 up in that game but he's looking at the defence in the second half when we can see this off goals going what what how can I do anymore I'm scoring 24 or 25 goals a season and you're giving up stupid goals and that I was born with game with the last three points because of that there was the Chelsea game simply FAC exactly so you've got it's got to be the hard work and when the hard work meets the talent that's when you will that's when you will get propelled I think I think the big thing Duncan Fergus on put that back in organisation work hard and now what you'll get is Anciolotti with all his experience and his ability can marry the two together and if he marries the two together we get what we've always said and which is there's enough quality in this squad to get in the top six or seven there is it's whether or not that like Pedd said you can be a team and be a team means grind and out results and that's what we started to do there you go as you've both mentioned that was the general meeting last night and me and Baz were there and we'll be back in part two to talk about it be right back part two of what what are you saying best me it was that piece of clap don't give away the secret Nigel podcast the Nigel clap we haven't got it you know what i was thinking we have so there oh all right we've got it just a pile we got it from Harry Potter land nice there we go it did have a sign through it yeah well it's there right it's part two of podcast thanks for that handi bell i've been in the matty or sorry me here but the adrams are gone but there's a chilly ruin in the magic of Harry Potter it is that's fake anyway whoops you make a good Hagrid he would make a good Hagrid he would not wrong you you you should become like a you're wrong we easily have to like about that fair enough just oh cos i've got ginger there and you dash this we are literally we are oh cos a big boo we are the last like like ginger racism is on their eyes actually aren't you dying out cos it's like a water walking people are going around killing us i don't cos they're you know global warming why haven't they changed exactly is that why you can get up these are basically blistering to death keep it coming i'm not giving i'm actually not giving you an all-recorded i don't give you anything i don't give you anything i don't give you anything you give me the height isn't it the height isn't it the height isn't it it's called the it's called like the no souls club no souls club no souls club it's called it's not ladden Wigan Wigan had Wigan had man we did this on the ffostie show here's me Wigan had ay ginger bustai we ginger ginger bustai yeah did we you could get on a bus yeah free if you're a ginger Wigan literally had it to think now so you could have gone to Wigan and gone on any bus this is like a comfy bus or something where they're all like festive no do not do not say any more do not say what you're thinking cos this podcast will not make it to here no listen honestly there was that was a thing the thing you said billy what did he say what did he say billy while you there we said ginger bustai ginger bustai in Wigan or something like that ginger bustai ginger bustai not ginger bustai this is that a completely different thing that's a different thing I said let no no no but you could be like a standing for so many people you could have been you sound well tally that's what everyone says if you'd lived look at the way you bust now the chocolate where are you get depressed if you'd lived in Northern cos I know you two are about to go on a rant if you'd lived in Northern Ireland right in the last like five years and gone pause pause what does it say free bus travel for gingers I told you it's a thing what was that one day what was that day bill 4th of december 2009 a the google machine now 2009 the house in days have been a ginger my bro say back in was the photo show the photo show in the instem no it hadn't even started yeah if you'd been in Northern Ireland like the last five years you could have been like a boss extra for Game of Thrones bought the mountain rides you could have been the mountain stuntable I don't think so he's a bit more mostly than I am that's where I'm at no you say that see a week on the year can you never know we're back on the Jesus juice hmm exactly back on jordyn we've been walking on like a dam a triori and we said that off-aid and we were just trying to clarify now when we were somewhere we were worried about Jordan Henderson licking the tip of the spear that was off-air wasn't it just what needed to clarify you bit the spear at the tip of the spear of the spear of the spear leave it there actually I told you not to mention Jordan Henderson licking the tip I specifically said don't mention Jordan Henderson just leave it there it's what I said it's the tip of the goalpost now moving on yeah I feel like that the ATM last night was interesting was he not as interesting as free bus travel it isn't it's awesome in a presentation a lot of things I imagine if Marcel Brands did a presentation on free bus travel for gingers in the north west area I think Tom Cannon would have been fuming on Tom Cannon Tom Cannon would have put his hand up going what about those people in wigs either oh that's a syrup come on come on come on the views of peter mcpartland don't necessarily represent the views of toffee tv just like that that's a syrup that clearly let's be honest aww someone put sempion and didn't they the ATM last night we were we were present as proxies it was a it was interesting it went on it went on about half an hour too long almost an hour I was full on the same point it was like some film oh yeah well the third Avengers film I don't think I said the age yes the third act was poor it was too long I almost admit I only needed half of my seat because when Tom Cannon started to talk I was that far down I was honest I had me jackered above me head and I was half way down me seats were on a crawl out the gap I was looking at Marcel thinking that he just gonna mass it on over a seat and lamp him I thought he was gonna go like John Wick I thought he was just gonna jump over like somebody just killed his dog and just doominish like you think Sasha was just gonna go Baba Yeager they're probably just doing we were just going quiet I know if there's an everton board not to mess with now it is they selling it and then you'd also add like you know Little Miss Dynamite was fuming as well see he's seeing up the radio oh my god every time he said that I felt I felt like more than once I felt like riffing me to take out I was I was itching my gums oh god every time he said that I mean you know what I will say about Tom what I will say about Tom Cannon was he he he had a lot of front to this he fronted it up he was the sensationalist of the headline that he was quoting Tim Kayle playing half an hour as a sub against Manson City every year and he did he was in our first team every time and he had a couple of other inaccuracies but he made some really good points as well across the whole director of football thing wasn't just Marcel Brant he made some he did make some good points I feel where his night probably got worse was when they asked who opposed it and he was the only hand in the room you mean was someone on the stage going this winking and I see we's up on his hands on it it was a bit you know but and then his wig fell off like captain Huck in Huck remember when dusting off and pulled it off you're not going to look smooth you get over here the views of Peter McCartan don't necessarily represent the views of the toffee tv corporation he could have made an action in Huck as well he could definitely be in I've not I've got here he's either gone if you would have been in Ireland I reckon Game of Thrones would have just written a piece for him he'd have been in it all options is all a foot short I'm not saying Bob you would have been one of the lost boys which one the big one is a few to choose from the giant one who ate the tall one the one who could hold onto his feet and roll into a ball oh he was hilarious come on no one knows his name no you wouldn't have been Rufi no you couldn't have been Rufi no no Rufio you're talking about that thing you know the AGM which we were supposed to saw in one path Rufi ooo yeah okay erm no listen it was an AGM apparently it was an AGM some wonderful presentations world-class presentations this is everywhere visualisations Adam Madsian but you didn't think they were to be honest I don't spend much time in other presentations so there's no way I can pay I can't compare it to not like no we got like the Oscars of presentations and they were nominated then I go well I was there it was a five months no it's not when you see the Oscar nominations which we've had this week and you go oh I think some and so should win but you haven't seen the film about the one-legged lesbian from Wales or something you know what I mean that everyone's going that's a great film that do you know what I mean you can't no I can't think it's a good film you can't compare them can you cos you haven't seen like the film from South Korea about the mute with the donkey or something you've never seen that film so you can't compare you're just going Avengers is boss I give up you are yeah give her all the joke here I don't use the flesh out this mute with the donkey I can't see it I think it's a winner I think it's a winner why has he got a donkey and why is it mutant or is it mute no it's a mute a mute donkey no no that's not no no no the donkey no no no I'm going on I'm going on I'm going on I'm going on I'm going on I'm going on I'm going on right go ahead so it's a it's a blind woman from South Korea it's a woman right who's got a mute right who's a mute so it's a donkey but the donkey doesn't hang on so she's blind and she can't talk she's definitely she's blind so I mean that's I mean that's that's used there the old siphons she's she's here to wait for me in South Korea so the donkey does all the communicating for it and so it's a is it mutant it's not a mute no oh it's a mute but the donkey is here linked to the world it's a stressed donkey so basically it's a stressed donkey what she doesn't squeeze it when she feels I'm like that she might so so the donkey no the donkey's here linked to the world and it's how she's strived to reach out to the world and she won a Nobel Peace Prize and that's basically the film I like it I'm going to say Spielberg will direct that all down well to be fair I think it's difficult because she can't communicate how does she know it's the donkey she doesn't know it's a donkey though that's the whole point she thinks it's her husband her husband left her 15 years ago and left his donkey behind and that's the genius of the piece that was going to say something but I'm going to leave that donkey story for another time she thinks she knows the difference in Mexico thinks she knows the difference in the donkey oh move them over the border that's what I'm saying so I ask you because you were there at the HM what was the more what was the bigger news then was that the 30 million option of naming the stadium was the fact that Denise doesn't know that we're associated with a gambler sorry a gambling company or was it the fact that who man he has and who come on to him and no longer wants to live in it they're on the list on the list at the boss I mean I said no, nobody's ready but in the top right I'm calling now there was two lists there was one where they were like we're sorting this out and in the top yeah yeah in the top corner but when he had the picture of the squad with everyone fitting I went to him just a bag on fire but as you put them by the corner flagged a pair of them were up in the right hand corner and quite clearly it was the USM Paytishnath he went dead serious Paytishnath you took USM you have to go to him you have to go to him you basically picture into Vladimir Putin when you say it you know exactly Paytishnath 30 million pound option for the name and rights hopefully that's just 10% of the name and rights I think it's well well if Manchester City got 400 million off the Etihad who were owned by the owners of Manchester City and that was cool then we could get 300 million off the owner of UCM who also owns us but no one no one USM UCM's his next company UCM's the University of Central Michigan University of Central Machery USM I love to go to Machery's account in school oh wonderful wonderful number number to numbers that man, innit? Dr Nick Riviera Tijkster Tijksy Alodgym No it Aye Well Gary's turned up Look at it Aye yeah it was good presentations no it was it was that was only the reveal and thing I thought the brands thing was really good his presentation was really interesting I thought em they were just trying to sugar coat the best way they could the most as good way and they they were just trying to get a take away from it but it's it was interesting that because that will boil some people's water people's water because the idea of getting 30 million for essentially nothing for essentially nothing it's a sweetener innit? there's something that's sweetener it's nothing it's a bribe it's not even a bribe is it? you said that it's not a bribe it is it's a really really free bribe the views of El Pavoti aka Andy are not necessarily the views represented by the Toffey TV corporation I was on radio corporation I was on radio city talk this morning and Steve Holliswood just couldn't get into his head what what was going on oh yeah each other saw the topic he was and I just said I can't say money laundered on here can I? you just said it no what that's got nothing to do with this I just said I can't say it on here no but he just couldn't get his head down why anyone was give 30 million I was like because it's an option isn't it he's not going to win the bid he's not going to win the bid and win, by the way, for people who can't say listen if I said to him do you not remember when Liverpool got a kid deal called Warrior? that wasn't real that wasn't real that literally John Henry just wins I like the name Warrior and they signed for Laney just to make it look closer because they live for them exactly so everyone does it listen options on things aren't a new thing clubs pay money for options on players did you yeah so I tried to do it all the time well they do it and they've got no interest in half of them so they're getting money for nothing so listen it's been done it's been passed by the Premier League and FFP otherwise everything wouldn't have been able well it's been passed by the auditors which is the most important thing you wouldn't have been able to be referenced we've got 94.4 million 94.4 million 11 million under it which is fine obviously the losses it's been reported you know one of them today's like as if we're shocked by it yeah you know I think we've given you six months I didn't know but of course they knew and the spending shows and hence why sponsorship deals are vital and they're getting renewed in the rich or for change but changing this summer there'll be more coming in Chelsea you know this is a week where Chelsea lost £100 million yeah despite having 247 million put in by Roman Abramovich as well as everything else that's just oh yeah Chelsea lost that yeah and that it's like skated over so everything were quite calm and another big thing that I suppose come out of it if you want to look at it this way was the actual death to other people at the football club was in has now gone down to 9 million from 52 million show or whatever it was 59 million that has actually has gone into far atmosphere but it's equity for him because his club on to Bill Kerr right number years and obviously a different situation I think we've 90 million tests that was our highest well we were paying we were paying ridiculous interest rates as well and it was impinging on us being able to do any kind of other deals because of it well that's the thing isn't it is that you do when you've got when you've got bad debts so to speak it's like anything it's why you see these adverts on the telly and the the MPRs a thousand percent and three that because some of them will always lend you money it just depends around what the cost is of getting it back you know and by reducing the debt ever allowed to get more favourable loans every club gets loans with the exception of probably city but even they do have seen them do moving money around clubs are paying the move in five years they'll go to a bank and say we'll take 10 million less than we're owed you give us the money now so we use it here it's all moved around it's just that the everton fan base or maybe just because we know it because it's us seem to take more interest in that than anything else well funny note whatever the club might do this yeah I was saying that funny note for the podcast I was listening to recently someone said that everton we've got the most analysts pay a fan in the sense that we have got a lot of people who work in football who study finance in different sectors so yeah we have got a very fan base who's very focused on whatever they're doing I suppose it's good and bad in a sense because obviously a lot of fans panic but one of the things I liked was the reiteration it's easy to reiterate stuff but the fact that the main goal is to get everton back to the top of the pile whether they get there's another thing but having that ambition and I think if you continue to reiterate that ambition and put it out there people can hold you accountable so that's the most important thing I think it's one thing at a time isn't it you know we were sitting there and I actually said to you wow we were there this time next year we could be looking at these screens and seeing building work pictures of building work and that's the difference isn't it it's that it could have been well started by them it could be you know six months down the line and I think as soon as we get to that point everyone again we spoke in the first part about you know Carlo Ancelotti and having the patience and being a calm and thing as soon as people you know everything hopefully goes to plan and we start building the stadium if we don't just chill out and I think suddenly people then will people look at it and go well that's the first thing overcome that we never thought was actually going to happen yeah yeah and so the next thing is that achievable can we get the champion thing I think what this is the problem is people can't focus on two things at once because they don't think the first thing is achievable because we've been let down before and if we everything that last night was at the AGM when we were talking about the stadium it's all soon as we're ready soon as we're ready soon as we're ready to go it's not it's all the future it's not it's not nothing is like where we might be getting the stadium it's like we are getting the stadium and as soon as that actually happens and I think you know they're very conscious of the situation with the government and being called then because it's a big a big stadium and a big plan big money yeah but they've prepared for it and even going as far as saying Farad Meshiri's not here because he's out negotiating and talking about the two banks that they've spoken to who are the ones JP Morgan which is much the biggest bank in the world yeah and and the fact that they're talking to them how they well they're talking to them about how they raise the money and how it's how not because what what people the best deal no but what you don't just lend it's the best interest rate isn't it really but it's not even about that it's not you don't just lend 500 million and God will give you whatever it is that's how your infrastructure it's how the infrastructure about it like if someone it's effectively like someone buying into it you know you could get a company out there who could go well I I'll give you this much but I want the right to whatever it is at the ground something to do with the car machines well that'd be that'd be campy the car park that'd be campy if don't have any day created a another company to he bought their own stadium he bought their own stadium Sheffield Wednesday we're going to be fine heavily for doing it yeah but that's what you can do in creating another company so essentially Alisha Rushman off he's not the right in any loan any of his company can go like we'll buy the stadium now and then that's different but the thing about that is though to underwrite the loans for the price but why would you but this is this is one thing that another thing that you don't always want that though because if that was the case the share would be one of his companies why why have one of his companies doing it when it's well when someone else is coming no what I'm saying about is if you could get three companies buying into that no that's insane and that's that's why the likes of T.A.P Morgan expert on it will be saying this you basically get paid credit off it's one of the biggest banks in the world and we've lost I think the Chinese bank we didn't we just decided there was better option we had we called it years ago not like when we were here we had bad credit rate we'd say banks didn't we and I think if you do go with a big name bank it gives you a lot of gravitas in the financial world that you'll have to get paying them back before it goes they put a graphic up of all the banks we've been talking to and have a movie dealing with and they were the biggest banks in the world and that's on the charter though no not on the charter it these are long term commitments as well it's not a case of you know your mortgage it's like it's ongoing for different things whether it be your transfers whether it be your your buildings your stadiums whatever so they went through all that and I just again it's that it's that I you know it's when or if that's the big thing it's when people keep on saying you're oh is it going to happen no it can't happen no this or that there's this and the way that and the way and you're just like why would you spend all this money why would you go into all this for a PR operation like and that I just hope by this time next year with spade in the ground we will everyone can just go it's there now you'll see you'll see frameworks going up you'll be frameworks going up you've got a well-class man and say hopefully the players will continue to develop we'll have better players in and everyone then maybe then we'll start at just the whole thing because that's what we need and did like as well you know I did a bit of graphic on the young players who pretend I think they had Gordon and I know brand series they know one who's close I think the plan is for Gibson and I don't have to know I think it also says to people who are you know I think someone I think Neil Spudney put it on it's what's nice we've got the oldest squad again and then under 23s again we played six players over the age of 19 and I think them lads need to realise that they're time and everything and for their own careers not because we don't want them here it's for their own careers they need to go out and play somewhere and instead it needs to look at the look at the developments I think brands will do that well we've seen Tari Charles he released this week you know charity's gone as in he's gone as in and then obviously brand 3 brought in because we've got jarod brand 3 brought in 17 year old centre back but the presentation by brands was excellent as well coming right from the fact it was good to do something like that it was good to have you know almost a proper presentation and how the team's gone forward and he spoke about how he's brought these working groups together to go through the different they've got a lone working group as well so it's obviously going through all the different things it's just taking time to piece it all together and hopefully again this next 12 months you know from this AGM to the next one you know we'll get to the next one and all these things will be finally in place and a lot of these the older players will have left and it'll just be more balanced I hope and I think the criticism that Tom Cannon level that the director of football model it was a good thing because again it's spotlight on it and therefore we could get some evidence within the next 12 months of what is actually happening and if we stand there again and people are going what's actually happening now? What did he say is not there and is it out of the ball of interest? It was all about the scouting network and things like that you know what's happening with the scouting and what's happening with it? Why is he going to reveal out of the scouting network? No, no, but I think he was asking the question of are these changes taking place and brands did well that's what Pett said and the brands did say this is why we have these meetings now and we've got us alone especially what he said was like why aren't we finding these players that we found when we have no money? That's essentially what he said Yeah, that was good Well, I think we could go on in a 20 minute hour I'm not going to get into that but I understand that and I sorry Wakes in that part and I agree No, I I suppose the issue for Everton as well is and this is why I think the appetite for risk I think is quite lower at the moment for Everton because of all the bad bad transfers over the last couple of years and I think once we get away from that then we'll start to I know how people look at Minamino for them over the road there that's the type of transfer we wish we were making I agree with that well, hopefully we'll start doing them deals but I am but Marcel Brands is not a moving criticism because I think people would have expected least that you you know that you've said to him so there's other issues with that which obviously I think he was so much there was a conflict of interest as well rather than naturally you know with brands being on the board but Well, I get that though because but then who else is the football man on that board? Bill Carenright you could say but he's he's not a footballer man he's been football for a long time Sasha I don't know what Sasha does No, I disagree but I just think you need someone there who can represent the football side of it and and what do you say to me? 70 since he's been to Germany? 70 since he's been to Germany and people go we spent 200 million since he came in but how many players do we get for 200 million? It's not like we've got four and then four players have been bad it's there's a lot of players they haven't spent anything but players probably about what? 20, 25 million you need a lot of players we've got to keep money as well but no, we've just got to some good points other bits were fluff you know the review of the year was just candy and it was and 80% of it was evident in the video off the single section it's awful though every year it's like showing you're all these boss things that we've done and we haven't done any boss things that's the talking bottom that's free school's pretty good no, it's not it's not evident it's got nothing to do with Evan no, it's the charity that's evident in the community it's got nothing to do with Evan and every year it's a saying nonsense stop talking about all the stuff we do away from 40 and start looking at the things we do would you like them to bring out DVDs again? let's be honest we wouldn't it just drives me mad I think when you're showing the fluffy stuff just have a two or three minute video don't have a video no, but they're going to do it they're always going to do it they're always going to do it and they're going to do it they're going to do it right because they're going to say no, you've always got to have something of the criticisms there with the losses you've got to have something to say this is what we did well you've got to remember this though the thing about what you're going to remember is though what's your audience these are all shareholders who do not care about that stuff we were there it's not a meeting for everyday fans these are shareholders who are part of the company they don't care about that stuff that means nothing to them if you were a shareholder of a normal company and they start up on all this fluffy stuff up you'd be like did any of this stuff make me any money? I know it's not about making money because it's not why you buy a share in Evan but you go and then go what's that got to do with it? what's that got to do with it? that's not even the same company what's that got to do with us? I just think it's nonsense auto, auto nonsense and we have to get away from that kind of stuff one thing he did say which for a shareholder's perspective is they're going to have smaller meetings with them and Q&A's I think what they need to do is the Q&A's are more important than that other stuff because you get direct answers and if you're in a smaller room in a smaller set and you can be more intimate you can actually get into the nitty-gritty I like the fact that there was one there just didn't go on long enough the Q&A because I think well they've got bandages that go into the Q&A and I think but I think that's the interesting bit that the Q&A is the most interesting bit because as you say get straight to the point through the fluff what's happening with this? what's happening? I think someone said how long it's going to be how long it's going to be he said about 30 weeks after it goes through the poll the one about the guy who asked the question about was having a gambling sponsor was absolutely spot on he said you've just put a presentation on about all the work we do in the community and you've got a gambling sponsor and he cut that cut straight to the heart of it because she didn't have a clue she really didn't have a clue what to say she had no clues she's going to investigate it no no she didn't have a clue she's money she didn't have a clue because on one hand she was like ever in the community the whole boss would be on the other hand she was like they give us a lot of money she couldn't and that's the problem you stick on the screen how great ever the community is and then you go and also we take 30 million off the gamma companies like that though no but that's the point why have all like nonsense on the screen if you can't deal with the question if you don't have all that stuff on the screen you go they give us 30 million come back when you find me somewhere else but that's what a hard-nosed business would do felly as that are we a hard-nosed business or are we a community yeah and she couldn't answer it and that's that's the problem that's the top moment community knows business that's the problem what a red and cut way could be on the island that's the problem it's two though innit it is and when it knows it's like Jim Royal Jim Royal to make it's own yeah I know I know Jim Royal as I know yeah fair enough I'm just thinking you could be his on the island aww you see he you see he bleep more than bleep son of a there you go that was the AGM that was the AGM the worst thing I ever got called by by the way was John Patterson on a comedy show someone said hey there's John Patterson he's been the next half an hour doing this to me on a comedy show so you know the compare he's giving it up in New York he was it wasn't that Adam Row was he I don't know people's names that wasn't other people's names I don't know people's names oh dear you asked me that question just going to see comedians that you don't know the name of it was just the real core thing it was just like around the competition I mean that's your fault for going the wrong way it's an impression of Craig from Big Brother it was for the whole show almost that's how old it was you mean it spoke like that for the whole time it spoke like that sharder, sharder sharder I'm going to post it sharder, great ac caloran couldn't say caloran this week I am nominating sharder and caloran Nick why are there pencils Nick would you like me to look up a red book I made a mistake I love chickens and pencils Digo this has been part of this is Big Brother 2000 by the way a 20 year old reference the takeaway from the 80 and 30 million from us we're off brands is on the case and we've got a pocket dynamite let's go next so bronsky beat so big bronsky thousands there you go cover the 50 years with a bit of dynamite in the middle there you go back in part three welcome back to part three of the toffee team being podcast Sally that one used to be on the table a mate with the blonde there she's dead she died she died she died oh god have you got a beer like that oh sorry sorry you could be the vicar of the table he's done no you just feel offensive just I mean I was going to say shade the beer but you know she was up she was having problems at the time so I don't fancy it on your head me either no this is she you've been them oh she's been them she's been them she's lost about 30 stone she's been them he's gone I mean you've seen him he's literally sleeping in every hotel telling you're out good the beds are in the premiere in that's where he's gone that's a cry for help that's a cry for help he's sitting there going the premiere in it's great they have oh they breakfast oh oh oh she's got a great night's sleep she talked the kids she talked the kids she's telling her against me I've seen that video with Limmy he's in the fancy man oh she's talking to me turn the wheels against me turn the wheels against me Lenny Emmie references no that's not Lenny Emmie references Lenny see me in Doctor Who who? Doctor Lenny Emmie who? he's the baddie in Doctor Who was he? yeah there you go he's been in a few things lately he was a bit yeah a bit a bit in a bit in that's a star and roll oh he's a light of the realm now he's not been in Dome that's what he wants that's what he wants I bet he can ride into Shrewsbury on a Wednesday and take any milf he wants nah not when the Minchills are in South not when the Minchills not when Billy the Shrews company Billy, Billy's Billy's over there sitting there he's monitoring the podcast thinking what he's going to do this week when Liverpool come to town honest to us he's going to be in the standing area he's going to be in the Shrewsbury massive with the flay him and his brother George the Minchills they've run Shrewsbury if you don't know this by the way the Minchill brothers George and Billy I mean it's it I mean it's already Bosch Kempic is coming down on Sunday he might be there Sunday to monitor the Minchills he's going down he's going to have a he's going to have a machys in the retail part he's going to have a machys is this the thing that you've seen is the machys in the retail part? that's the only thing this is the only thing you've seen the only thing you want to see is the machys on the retail and not the safe stand in the section you've put in we're in the safe stand in the section the stand very nice he's going to bounce around the Minchills will be there and off it will go hopefully they'll not live up to a lot you know the Minchills they're the kind we've said this before they're the kind of lads that are Christmas they have the buckets outside the Yates shaking it when people are walking in you ain't getting in unless you've put a couple of quid you've got to put the any shivers wasn't there he was on the door remember any shivers on the door on the door on the gates he's not a people out left out in the centre he's ready he's ready queen's quid he's not a people out the weekend we go to west air the moys the moys hand the moys derby yeah last time we played in there he calls west air medicine so you know it's the air medicine game in there he did the Beatles 3 won last time we played his west end scene down there he did have some al ddeis we had big sand they had moys he rolled over it was a classic game of football you man, he asked good the ball didn't touch the ground for 10 minutes but picked for through a couple in so classic heaven not much of shit when we went there last year it was one of our best performances of the season one of 2-0 was it a 2-0? 2-0 no it was one of my nights sorry it was our best away performance of the season oh it was our best away performance for a good few years we should have eaten it clearly we should have it's going to be the more than one or two when they came to our place in September yeah yeah but we were we were super there last year Gomez was absolutely brilliant and Bernard and Coleman had a really good game and we you know we missed good opportunities could have been you're right could have been 6 or 7 when BT you're saying it was two and it could have really been 10 you know that must have played all right because they don't give it any credit but you know it'll be a tough game just because it will be because away from home we're not great are we? you'll get them all going on you'll get them all going on and you'll get them fired up Filiw Anders new we thought it was out looked like he's going to play but Fabiancki's out yeah that's you signed Darren Randolph haven't you that's going through is it going through it's gone through you has it yeah oh I'm devastated then that Darren Randolph shouldn't go yeah you know no I want it to be the Republic of Ireland international Darren Randolph and he said you know what he's all right but you know you can't Fabiancki's a better goalkeeper there's a great goalkeeper but it'll be a tough game but you know what it's one of those games of gameplay if Everton bit like Newcastle if we can go down there and get the first goal and build from there you know West Ham fans egg the miles away from the pitch which I think why a lot of teams do all right there because you know at Upton Park even though Everton's record was brilliant at Upton Park they were right on top of the crowd when they were there it's a little bit like half them facing the long jump but with long jump it's hard that's the thing isn't it and the sight lines are awful there's an Olympic flame in between Sheb Cow's just there Paul Vaugh Paul just in the middle of the pitch and in the other corner is the Dildo Brothers well then you know so it's a game we can win it's a one and now people are saying we have to go one minute we've got to take something from it that's the way I look at it three points is not the most would be lovely to get the three points and then I'll build them and mention for Newcastle in next week but just avoid defeat at the very least continue to rack the points especially away here we've had some problems over the last four or five years we need to start winning games away but these are the ones if we can get back to back victories just mention there Newcastle it's Tuesday isn't it Tuesday so if we can get back to back victories if we could get that you know three wins on a rope then you know that's when you start thinking that's when your absolutely becomes possibility and you're not you're not I'm not saying we're looking behind this now but you are firmly looking up you're in the top half of the table we want back to back games we'll be in the top half of the table and players relax then because you're chasing the difference and relax the goal aren't you pressure's different then you're looking you've got a goal then as well you're not just trying to get away from something the season's not just beating it out you've got a goal to go for and let's be honest these are they're just fourth from bottom aren't they so when you when you look at that and go well the retainer's fourth from bottom and we're trying to fight for the european at least maybe or we're certainly trying to fight to finish as high as we can these are games you have to go and try to win you know and it's a back like I say you know the interesting thing will be the team selection will be the centre of the park personally I think I think you've probably got to go with the two lads that played in the centre of the park last week I think they get to not play as much as I'd like to see him up the team at the moment because he's not playing well enough I think he'll play and I think you have to play Tom Davis because he's more defensively being snarled back in that stage I don't think you know and maybe not brother I think that's the thought that could happen if he does that then I'd like us to just go back to front quickly then I'll play 4-2-4 and just bang it long and miss them in fear because we can't we can't try to get into them and feel battle with them because they feel not quick noble right aren't quick so you won't lose out that way but the reason why we should have beat them or the others in October was because we had a Wobby in there we had Davis in there we had Gomez in there and all three were getting an arm of pitch and they definitely spent the afternoon not knowing where any of them were you know and noble was again mobile either by his Brexit bills then he was about to gain so for Everton that's a real opportunity again at the weekend to go out and get three points tough game but go out and get three points and a game that you would look at and go you should be winning really if our aspirations are the top eight let's leave it at that at the moment then this is a game you should win you've got to kick on haven't you this is now the stage to kick on that again another full week of the preparation on the carlow and hopefully it's another week four players to get some rest some players to try and get closer to the first team and these are the games on the west anyway you don't look at that with massive trepidation you look at that thinking that's somewhere we can go and we've got to start winning more away games because again that's we know we're always going to be good at home it's the away games that we've always suffered on that has stopped us getting into those recently getting into the top six so I look at them and I think yeah and I like them mwysius move them fair the forward makes sense Seb Haller obviously he's a he's a good player they haven't been getting the service to him but with Anderson they're probably a better chance but you're right at the back they're at the slow the goalkeeper not great if it's not Fabianski and in the centre of the park and it's about matching them and then having that little bit excellent hoping that people like Dominic Arvill and Richard Ellison are ready and take the chances because we will get chances of course we will and again it's that first goal if we can get that first goal you mentioned the crowd they're not they're not they're not they don't like to go out no they're not happy they're not a happy fan base and they're ready to turn at the best of time so it's about putting them under pressure isn't it yeah definitely definitely I mean he's talked about just before we finish he's talked about rotating the centre backs again this week and saying it might be Holgate that misses out this week I think we need them I think if Anderson's going to play we need Holgate in that side especially the DV plays you know so I wouldn't be I mean he might have just been saying that last week just keep it on the toes maybe yeah or if he wants to play meaner than King then put Holgate in the field and have some legs in the air or a light back and play with the DV4 forward yeah yeah so we'll wait and see win a ball game win a ball game definitely win a ball game and obviously you haven't with the new Castle Game Tuesday as well which is another win a ball game so hopefully if we can get at least at least four points out of the two games and keep everything ticking overhead of a break because of the FA Cup and then things will be looking a lot rosier and we'll be looking looking forward to what comes after that with a lot more than we have been during the it's Wofford then isn't it after that Wofford the way he's sharing it on Wofford yeah yeah so we'll go on there you go there you go so looking forward to that on Saturday mm go through it three that's it it's just going in the game on win the game Carlos Armi sleight there you go this has been the toffee tv podcast you know we'll be back next week we will I imagine well we will let's see the apocalypse well that's supernova as I said here it could blow up in the next 100,000 years so I'll keep an eye on that so it's 1 in 100,000 chances it could be this year I don't know I mean that would be what's the XG on the supernova that would be a head of time what is it 1.36 I don't even know what that means I don't know what that means you can get a chance that's 1.36 please fair not what are you talking about just know what right just stick to the acting these things are about his next acting role stick to your acting and we'll all be all right XG me ass Babre Babre what's the XG of my undies there you go take a bite of him cos after this show Samuel Sall he's lived I've had the minshills and Ross Kemp and Phil Fawesome Phil Fawesome is Phil Fawesome is that what I really thought he got there and Phil Fawesome Phil to make a Fawesome Phil Mitchell Mitchell Mitchell are you on crack we'll be back next week bye see you later hate you