 Good evening. It is 5.30 on Wednesday, April 20th. Thank you everybody for joining us tonight for the next hour or so. We will be having a conversation here in the south end of Burlington with Representative Blumlee and myself. And then also we are joined by our fellow colleagues in the State House by a few of our Senators, Senator Baruth. I'm just going by order by which I see you. Senator Pearson, and I know that in the State House we also have Senator Lyons and Senator Chittenden. And so the purpose of tonight's meeting is to just have an opportunity for people who live in the south end of Burlington. It's sort of a compilation of words five and six to hear about the, in particular, the Senate redistricting that occurred. This has, it's a done deal. We're moving forward, but this is an opportunity for folks to ask questions about the process and the outcome and just to understand a little bit more about how things evolved. The reason why I said it that is set it in that in that frame is that we all knew Chittenden County would be divided up in terms of the Senate district. Historically, currently, we are incredibly privileged, to be honest, is an appropriate word to have the access to six Senators when we have something that we are concerned about. Meanwhile, if you live in the Northeast Kingdom, you have access potentially to just one Senator so we all knew the Senate district had to be redrawn so that it would become more equitable. The question was, how would that happen. I do want to just clarify, you know that the census is completed every 10 years because of COVID there was a condensing of time in terms of when the census was done when the results were delivered. And then how quickly our, our local boards were able to, you know, go through quite a quite a detailed volunteer process to present their ideal maps that were then reviewed by both the House and the Senate. So for folks just, you know, tuning into this conversation, your House district is roughly generally the same, except for the fact that if you're in a portion of District, or Ward six, you will have two reps now. So with that, I'll just say we went from six Senators for all of Chittenden County to now seven Senators for the region of which one is sort of for North Chittenden County, three or four Central Chittenden County, which is roughly Winooski, most of Burlington, except for this neighborhood, and then essentially downtown Essex. And then, and I may have gotten that a bit wrong, and that is why we have Senator Pearson following me up. And then for the Southeast Chittenden District, we have three Senators as well. And with that, I'll pass it to, oh, one other thing in terms of how the conversation goes, this is one of the areas in which the House really focuses on the House redistricting, and the Senate really focuses on the Senate redistricting. And as long as sort of the House doesn't say, hey, Senate, we think your line should be drawn differently. And the House doesn't, and the Senate doesn't say, hey, House, we think your line should be drawn differently than generally the two bodies keep the lines that they agreed upon within each body. So that is the purpose of why we're having this meeting tonight. Representative Bloomley and myself heard quite a bit from our constituents of which all of the Senators here represent you as well. We heard quite a bit from you all saying, wait, what happened? How did this happen? And could we learn more about it? So that is the purpose of tonight. And with that being said, I'm going to pass the baton to Senator Chris Pearson. Thank you so much. The reason for this is that Senator Pearson was one of the folks, you know, that there's so much work that that goes through the State House, we do have to divide and conquer and Senator Pearson was one of the folks on the committee that sort of really delved into how do you draw the meeting law so that you're looking at the census, you're keeping as much of the existing communities intact, etc. So with that, oh, and in terms of in terms of structure, we're going to have Senator Pearson give some overview. Then we will pass it over to other senators for weighing in, but we'll start with Senator Lyons. And then we'll open it up to Q&A, which I will moderate and Representative Bloomley whenever you want to jump in, you know you're welcome. And with that, Senator Pearson. Thank you Gabrielle and Senator Sorak has just joined me as well we we got done in Senate Finance Committee, not, not three minutes ago so. So I drew the short straw, I guess, and of the Chittenden delegation, we're all here. Except for Senator Keisha from Hinsdale. I was, I, I, maybe I didn't say no that's. So I said I'd be willing to do it in the Senate. It's a separate committee reapportion committee. And we meet around all the other works that we were meeting at 730 in the morning sometimes late into the evening. I think Representative Stevens has done a good job setting the table. We do this every 10 years after the census has come out two three years ago. We passed a law that said when the 2020 census is done and the subsequent redistricting happens. The Vermont Senate will have no district that's bigger than three members. So that was directly aimed at the Chittenden County Senate district six members. So that is the biggest district in the country. No other district in the country has more than, in fact, three senators which we now have in the new map and we have in Washington County, Rotland County, Windsor County are already again the largest district so we're pretty out of whack from the national So we already and all of us had supported that law that we're in the Senate at the time. Adding to that 10 years ago when this process happened, the Northeast Kingdom had lost population Chittenden County and the Northwestern Vermont had grown and the map sort of stretched the limits of how much it could really withstand and keep the kingdom well representative maybe a little bit over represented so in a way this process was kind of 20 years and coming. Plus, there was since that last 10 years, more population growth in our area, and this change guaranteed to come for Chittenden County So big deal. I would just say that I quickly learned that dry a map that pleases everybody was impossible. And I'll give you an example. Huntington and Bules Gore Park Chittenden County have been linked to the Addison County Senate District for last decade. Huntington wrote a very compelling letter to all of us they said in the last decade we've joined with Richmond and and Jericho under hill to make the MMU unified school district. We'd like to be part of the county and by the way the MMU district is now kind of a political boundary of ours. And I thought, sure, well, I'd love to do that has a lot of integrity, blah, blah, blah. The first map I drew made it seem very obvious that you could not lump the MMU district together without and keep that whole without some of Williston, which meant you were currently breaking up the CVU school district in order to honor the principle of keeping the MMU district and I only offer that as an illustration to just how difficult it is to to hit all of the goals. The other reality is Addison County was down some people and needed some people and the question before us was, do we give them the town of Charlotte, or do we continue to give them Huntington, and I see center around you. So now you've got all six of us. So just to say from the outset I was an optimistic eager beaver to draw a district draw maps that would actually satisfy everybody and quickly came to realize that is more than a little impossible. There's a lot of dynamics and I won't go into all of it but some of the goals we were aiming to look at on to to honor Chittin County has Burlington, which is about a little over 40,000 people South Burlington which is a little over 20,000 people Essex a little over 20,000 people. These are the bigger towns, and then you have a bunch of smaller towns. How you draw the lines means you either sort of have some lopsided districts where those big towns really dominate and the little the smaller towns potentially get a bit drowned out. I want to avoid that as much as possible. A lot of the district a lot of the maps we drew had Burlington as a standalone district two seat senate district, and that was very neat. In a map sense, it was very straightforward if you're a voter in Burlington, and for a long time I thought that was a good solution. But what emerged as the process moved forward was a couple of dynamics that had me and others change our mind quite strongly. The, the Senate is the house in our process the house is very small right a house member represents either four or 8000 constituents depending on a single or double two seat district. They're very small, at most they have two three towns, maybe in the kingdom they have half dozen towns, but it's by and large, a town or a portion of a town in the house. In the Senate, we're more or less county based. And so you represent a broad range of viewpoints in the Senate, and that is one of the strengths of our of our two body system. So, moving to a Senate district of two members in just Burlington was a huge change, and represented a real aberration for the basic underlying structure of the Vermont Senate. Not only that, but those of us who live in Burlington already in the House or Senate I dare say already experience the dynamic where our colleagues sort of say yeah yeah yeah but you're in Burlington. This is different you're you don't understand I was on a radio show describing the map and the caller from Madison County called and said, Is there any chance we could give Burlington to New York. It's not really funny. I mean, that is a dynamic in the State House that's very real, never mind that we're the economic engine in the state, etc. So, in particular, Senator Baruth, Senator Rom Hinsdale and I, who have all live or have lived in Burlington felt pretty strongly that if you gave Burlington a two seat district stand alone. Those senators would likely and the issues and values that we bring from our community would likely be somewhat isolated in the Senate in a way that was very concerning. Adding to that the town of South Burlington was very well organized and and their select board their board of civil authority was loud and clear and saying whatever you do, do not divide us. So the six of us met and discussed all of this how should it look how should the maps go and we we sort of three of us said well we got to not have Burlington be stand alone and and other people were saying well whatever you do keep Burlington South Burlington whole. This became a puzzle problem because South Burlington surrounds Burlington right entirely if you look at the map to the south of Burlington and all of the eastern border of Burlington is hugged by South Burlington and so how do you carve up Burlington and not also carve up South Burlington. So the only answer to that riddle was to take the northern part of Burlington connect through Winooski add sort of St. Mike's corridor of Route 15 and Essex Junction, and that had the right the good numbers for a three seat Senate district, and then sending the bottom part of Burlington the south end of Burlington, down with Charlotte over South Burlington, Heinzburg, Jericho Richmond under hill and Bolton, and that was also the good a good number for three seat for three seat Senate district. That was not the map I wanted. That was a consensus, you know, a compromise between the six of us that the rest of the colleagues on the Senate committee supported and ultimately got 30 unanimous vote in the Senate was signed into law by the governor so I quickly became it became obvious that I was not going to be able to draw a map that pleased everybody. In some ways I would say the map that that is now law is somewhat unfortunate although I think so the south end is actually well looked after but you could certainly argue that if you live in the south end it you feel like a little bit detached from Burlington and also unfortunate for folks in Essex who you know are in a district as extension that is dominated by Burlington again impossible to have every every satisfy everybody for the city of Burlington. This is a good map no question if you're the mayor if you're the city council if you're the school district in Burlington, you in fact have one might argue an embarrassing amount of senators and therefore influence in the Senate. And that's something that you know was not by design actually some of us didn't notice it until the process was moving forward. But to all of us that live in Burlington obviously not a trivial thing to see that we have a loud voice so that was the process it was compromised not exactly the map I wanted by far but but trying to answer a competing in some way set of values that we put forward and was a compromise and and I would just say that you know around the country that this is a highly partisan air effort, a highly partisan process that's bloody that's in court cases all over the country. This had a 70 vote by part of try partisan vote out of the report from a committee and ultimately unanimous support in the Senate. That's not trivial I think that's something I'm proud of and and you know represents us working together and good faith. So I guess I would leave it at that and and turn to my colleagues to see what what I forgot. Thanks Senator Pearson. Can I jump in just because I'm going to, we just got out of our finance committee meeting, and we need to hit the road we could probably continue by phone in the car, but I just wanted to the one perspective that I wanted to be clear on was. It was really hard to break up the chicken and Senate district. Some people might not like that. But as Chris has said, we by far the largest district in the country, and I felt it was really unfair to the voters, people would go into the voting booth and put 15 names there, and it became a lawn sign war for a lot of people, and it just was not the right thing to do I think if I had my druthers I would like to see one senator per district so people have a choice between two or three people to vote for as opposed to not being familiar with this. It's a, it's a, in some ways, it's a very big county. It's a Are you in a actual like open meeting? Yes. Yes. The building closes in 10 minutes. Yeah, we're, we're sorry. Yes, we're on a zoom meeting with constituents. Okay, so I'll leave the building just let me know when you're done. Sure. So, I think that's something that had to be done. And the extent people think from a parochial standpoint they've lost some power in Chittenden County. I just think it was unfair. It was very hard for a newcomer to break in. It was hard for any other party to break in. So I think it's just a good thing that we're moving in in the direction of breaking up the district and to the extent I agree to the extent we have three member districts in, in Chittenden County, I think it still preserves some kind of county semblance. So I think it's a good compromise as to where, as to where we are. I just wanted to say that. Thank you Senator Sorokin and thank you Senator Pearson for the overview and for drawing the short straw. I want to just say we, so we're at 551 in terms of structure. We're going to give a couple of minutes to each of the senators if they want to say anything. I know Senator Lyons would like to say a couple of words, and then we're going to shift to q amp a I have two questions currently so. I know, actually, Senator Pearson, and Senator Sorokin I think you guys should probably call in, because you're going to get kicked out. So we will see we will let you back in via phone. And please use your buds. So you're safe and complying with Vermont law. Thank you. So, Senator Lyons, you wanted to say a couple of words. I do. And I went first of all, I think everyone should say thank you to Senator Pearson that the work that he did on the reapportionment committee was very difficult. This is one of the most difficult tasks that face us in the Senate and in the house every 10 years. Whether we're all happy with it or not. It still was a lot of work. And I'll just say, upon my own behalf that this is going to take some adjusting because I've been representing all of Burlington Essex Junction Essex town Winooski and all at Milton Westford all those towns that are now not in the new district. So it has a different feeling just as it does for you folks who are just we're getting kicked out too, but we're not, we're not getting kicked out. But it is it's a different sense of where we are and our representation area. But I just like to say a couple of things going forward because I know there will be some questions about splitting Burlington up and why we did that. And frankly, I think what what we're seeing is that Burlington will still have six senators Burlington will still have robust representation. I can't possibly represent the south end of Burlington without also considering the whole school district, and without considering the, the role of the council plays in decision making and government so the regional planning commission will is still part of the county and the county process. So, as Chris has said, we represent the broader interest within with our towns and within the county. And then when we get to the Senate, of course we extend our thought to the state. I just, I think it's important that you're reassured that your representation is going to be very robust. And for folks who live in in your district, five and six, as it has been the sectioned off into the new chip in southeast. I'll have more time, because now I have fewer folks to represent this is a real, this is refreshing to think about. The only thing just one last comment is that when you go to vote in the polls, you're still going to be voting for your local representatives. You're still going to be voting for Burlington issues school budget school information, you'll still be voting for a council. Whatever the council puts out, you'll still be voting for your own reps on the on the city council, and you'll have a list of senators to choose from, hopefully who will have made themselves known to you. Well, while it sounds terrible that there's a section of Burlington that's been taken off in reality, it's still Burlington. And the other reality is that the, the issues that are dear to you will also be very important to us who represent you. I just want to leave it at that there's more that we could say but I know there are concerns out there. I have concerns to because it's such a different way of looking at the folks I represent, but it's an opportunity I think for us to look at things in a slightly different way so that's all I'll say at this point. I do want to note to your point Senator we do have counselor Karen Paul here with us, the chair of the council. Thank you for joining us and we also have so many of our, you know, steadfast volunteers from the NPA is both five and six here, as well as the founder of, you know front porch forum so thank you all for really weighing in. Senators if it's okay with you I would rather shift to questions and you guys can add Hawk way in and the tail end. You know, we can, you know, section off a few minutes the tail end if you want to have, you know, a minute or 30 seconds each. I just I want to make sure that folks have come here with their questions and that we're actually hearing from them, as much as I'm a talkative person. So we have a question here that says and folks just for the sake of order, I'm going to ask you to put your question in the chat, because we do have like 20 plus people here. So we have a question here. How big is the pop and this is probably to Senator Pearson who is walking to your vehicle, how big is the population of Chittin 65 versus the other towns of this new district in other words, could we be represented by three senators, none of whom live in Burlington. It's a great question. And I think it's important you have six senators now, four of them don't live in Burlington now. So I always want to level set this against where we sit today. The south end of Burlington is about 8000 people a little over. It's roughly equivalent to the town of Shelburne, or it's about twice the population of Heinsberg, crudely approaching the population of Williston. So, you know, those towns are not going to be left out in any kind of discussion with their senators and I just want to just orient that. Yeah, of course you could have senators that don't live in Burlington. Richmond hasn't had a senator that lived there since Doug Racine that Doug Racine was in the Senate. I'm going to say the same thing about Essex. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, we don't have a senator. You know, but some of us actually worked in Burlington. I worked for 30 years and I still go in and work in Burlington. So it felt like we're not affiliated with with Burlington. So the answer to this question is yes, we could be represented by three senators none of whom live in Burlington. And I think the key here is I think what you're hearing from this community is please do not forget us because and you're all nodding, but you may not, you know, at some point you may choose to retire. I think there is a sense that if you compare Sherlock to the south end of Burlington there or Richmond or, you know, there are different, there are different flavors of communities. I have another question here. What were the recommendations by the Burlington Citizen Committee on redistricting, how were they used parentheses or put aside and I'm familiar with the House but not the Senate so that's a senator Pearson question I think because that that's the information that went to the reapportionment committee. I'm sure happy happy to take that. There was not that direct feedback. I did reach out to the council president and sort of asked if there was a strong opinion one way or another. And what I learned from the Burlington BCA was that the focus there had been on the House districts and, you know, the state law gives the BCA's a direct role in drawing House boundaries but does not is silent about Senate districts so the feedback we got from communities was informal but of course all of our meetings were online and and warned and we had all manner of emails from constituents far and wide. But but nothing official from the city of Burlington in terms of the Senate district other than my direct outreach with that time Council President Max Tracy. Can I can I just add to that. You know, Senator Pearson ended up doing a lot of the heavy lifting being on the redistricting committee being on government operations where we sort of kind of try to hold the process as it moves forward, although, you know, we didn't have a vote in our committee separate from the full Senate. I tried to go to a lot of the NPAs and just say to folks, this is a very historic change because we haven't broken up a county before so it's not really common for a Board of Civil Authority to weigh in on this because we haven't gone deeply below the county boundaries in the past as you may know, Huntington has felt left out for a long time, because they got moved into the Addison district a long time ago, and you said it appears and may have said this earlier but there was the decision if we were going to trade off Charlotte and move them to Addison or keep Huntington in Addison and of course both communities weighed in somewhat formally and informally maybe elected leaders, but a lot of community members who were following the process so you know it that too I just want to say as a nuance where certain counties around the edges have towns that go to other counties. But this was the first time that we were breaking up a county otherwise, there are a couple counties that get put together in the kingdom. That is changing now in some ways but you know it's this was a new historic question that we were answering. I am going to have to go I just want to honor that I know some people felt like the process was a little bit jarring. And that was also we talked about in the NPAs, because the timeline got truncated because we couldn't trust the redistricting information that we got last year, and this being my second redistricting the timeline just felt a lot different than it did 10 years ago and even still tough decisions were made like a sliver of Burlington going to a new ski in the house district. A long time ago Chris Chris and I were, Senator Pierce and I were both there for that fight as well and so a lot of tough decisions get made you know the last couple things I want to say I'm sorry to take up sometimes just talking to one of your city high school and getting money right away for the high school transition. If you didn't have six Chittenden County senators who have to care about Burlington high school and you had to that just represented Burlington would be a very different conversation in the legislature I believe in the next biennium about how much the state is willing to set aside out your mark for the high school and some of the other needs of the community so it's coming up all the time just yesterday I thought thank goodness Burlington still has six senators. I'm somebody who moved from Burlington to Shelbert in the middle of my term just by virtue of getting married and you know moving somewhere where we could afford our marital home. Most people still think I live in Burlington because I try to represent you know Burlington's interest to the best of my ability people come to me about Burlington issues I've reported all of your charter changes on the floor. I'm about to report one of your your next charter changes on the floor. You know so that that I just want to say many of us as Jenny said a centered line said we care about Burlington, even if we don't live there. My final word is even in the US Senate it's always been the place where the T goes to cool the place that's less provincial than the house where you can't be focused on your own community, but you have to look really broadly. The last, you know, election, I came in first in Burlington and when you ski and 12 in Milton. So, you know, the humbling of having to represent a few different communities and do it to the best of your ability I think is something that's really valuable about about the Senate. I'm sorry I can't be here for longer and I know the process was more jarring this decade than it was last time, but I will leave my email in the chat, people want to reach out further. Thank you, Senator. I'll note that there was a comment in the chat, because I know that town meeting can't see them. I don't believe so. Basically saying, thank you, senators and representatives for working on this recognizing the reapportionment as a near impossible political task, but also as a parent of BSD students and a resident of Burlington. I'm really hopeful that our school district and city will be well represented in the State House on the many large problems that we face to your point Senator from Hinsdale and I just want to say actually a lot of Burlington's problems in terms of PCBs will become everybody else's because we redid many many high schools when we thought PCB were were fantastic chemicals because they were so fire retardant and lo and behold, they're fire retardant with with a caveat large caveat after that. And just an FYI to all the senators and reps our front porch form access will be changing to align the new boundaries so feel free to reach out. There, there is another question that I received, which went to the point of, where can we find a, you know, street by street map of this new district. I think this is one of the things that felt very not transparent. And I don't, I don't, I perhaps it's just a mapping capability of GIS, but the house maps show every street. You go and you look online, and the Senate maps are like large purple or blue blobs. And I think this is part of the reason perhaps why folks senators didn't perhaps hear from folks about hey what's happening. Personally, I only realized, maybe I think the day you guys had voted on it. What what this map really meant because I kept hearing Burlington's intact except for a little piece. And then I kept looking at the map until I went to the map drawer and realized, Oh, okay, it's our little piece. So I think that would be really helpful I don't know if that is something my guess is it doesn't exist yet but I'll let someone else take that. And my guess is also that we could ask Mr. Atherton to draw that so that folks could see at least the defining edges what those streets are but not Senator Pearson, is that a question to you. How, how can people get a street by street map. Sure, I'm happy to take it. And I'd like us to find any Cal chance that are divided a little bit of Colchester. Thank you. I'm going to ask a further clarifying question. So there are folks who live in, in the Hill section, who are represented by representative Barbara Rachel sin, would those folks be in the chitin central. So I think I can. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, go ahead. And somebody, if somebody could put the link that we do have in the chat so people could rep there by you. And somebody did, Senator Pearson, Senator chitin and did you want to weigh in. So I can speak a little bit to that because as Senator Pearson mentioned I did follow the process and I just want to applaud all of this good work he was meeting at seven o'clock in the morning and going until seven o'clock at night and there was just a lot of maddening tasks whenever you move these lines and how it just made a lot of things more difficult. I do recall that the final district map to the new house districts and so you chitin and 65 that you all or not all most of you all are in right now becomes chitin and 13 so if you go onto the website and see all the new house districts. I recall seeing that this new senate district chitin and southeast is actually chitin and house districts one through 13 so if you go through 123456 all the way to 13 as the new numbering systems that will show you all the house districts that compose chitin and southeast. I'd also add since I have the floor I just I want to say I really appreciate representing all of you I hope I've done it well and I will say to echo Senator Lyons' point this is on a unwieldly district of 180,000 representatives I pride myself as a city counselor in Burlington to always respond to emails it has been overwhelming so I look forward to in the future having half as many people so that I can be even more responsive and plug it to chitin and 13 the south end of Burlington even more so if you see ways for me to do so I welcome any ideas. Thanks Senator. I have another question that actually was texted to me from someone who couldn't join tonight, which was, why don't we have a district for maybe Burlington and Manuski, and then the northern suburban town suburban town and the southern suburban towns or there was another question, could we have broken off and I don't know if this is what this person meant but I think they're saying sort of the college section. Since perhaps those folks looking at my notes, you know, aren't living here full time may have different long term concerns with the school etc. And my guess is it relates to numbers but I'm trying to understand the question the question is why didn't we do something different based on common sort of geographical location instead of breaking up the city. I think that I think that Senator Pearson really addressed that very well. When he was talking about the difficulty and once you adjust one place. Everything else 10 starts to fall apart, you have to start all over. Yes, I think all of those things were considered and I think that Senator Pearson can respond to that directly because, again, this was a product of the, this is the work of the committee the reapportionment committee. And just as a, just as a thought here. I currently sit on education, the Education Committee, and I know Senator bruce has done an outstanding job in the past and sharing that committee. When the PCB issue has come comes up. It's all about Burlington, and we aren't leaving Burlington high and dry because I represent a new small section of Burlington, the PCB issue is district wide. And now it's statewide, and Burlington is going to help us model what needs to happen to improve our schools that were built after a specific date. And so that that issue has been highlighted as a result of Burlington and I think people are respecting the work that's going on in the in the school district and in the city. The instant response was just amazing and how the school was transitioned to Macy's was just outstanding. And that model is serving all of us very well. And another another note, I currently chair the Senate Health and Welfare Committee. I deal all the time with the UBM MC, and all the other hospital and health care facilities that are not just around our county, but across the state. Once we're here in the Senate, we carry the thoughts of our constituents with us very closely, and we listen very closely to the emails and the messages that we get from our constituents, but it goes beyond that to some of the broader topics that we get involved with when we're here in the Senate. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. No, it certainly does. You know, I'm, thank you, Senator Lyons, I'm recognizing at 615. I don't, there are no more questions in the chat, if folks listening in. And, you know, with with your faces want to raise a question. Welcome to do so. But I also know it's actually sunny and not snowing. So let's give it a minute to see if folks have additional questions. Otherwise, and we will give it a minute. But I also just want to say thank you to all of the senators we had all six join us. And I really appreciate it. Both, both Tiff and I do, because we did hear from quite a few people and and really appreciate your time. We have one person saying thumbs up definitely wants to go join the sun and another special thanks. Okay, thank you. All right, so to television broadcast time meeting television. Folks, well, you can, you can always go look online and you have six senators right now you'll three senators moving forward but the truth is, many Burlington issues are shared as a city. And so we will still have six which is, as we've heard for the city, pretty, pretty unique and important, I think, given how many challenges we face and representative blumly. What did you want to say you were calling on me. Yeah, I just, I wanted to make sure that, you know, I mean this isn't the end of the conversation. I mean, obviously, this is a done deal. I wanted to give people an opportunity to express any concerns that they had so that senators who are going to be representing them, knew about them and and so that you understood the process and the decisions that that, especially Senator Pearson and the committee had to make so. If you have if there are people who think of questions afterwards, you should feel free to email any or all of the senators with those questions, but you can also get in touch with either one of us. I did, I did not know that actually our reapportionment reapportionment boards did not weigh in on the Senate maps and that's, that's a fascinating piece and I do recall also what Senator Pearson said that South Burlington was organized so that's a note to folks if you're, you know, 10 years from now, if we have concerns, we could be more organized, and I apologize if that wasn't me. With that being said, thank you so much. Representative Blumlee should we say goodbye and let everyone go have dinner and enjoy the sun. Unless there's anybody else with the last burning question. Okay. Thank you everybody. Thank you for showing up. Thank you senators bye bye.