 Good morning and welcome back once again. We are here with youth and politics. This is a conversation you don't want to miss because we say it today is WCDA. Today is MCM, youth and politics. We are here now with comrades who will help us understand what journey we now have from now January 2021 to 9th, August, when Kenya will decide who their next president is, who their new sets of governors are. Up to women's rep, the county assembly representatives, the national assembly and all that. My name is Ankara Kayesu and I am with comrades here. One is called Abu Bakar and the other is called Thomas Obare. How are you guys? You are fine. I Kenya muna onaji. Kenya Kosawa. Okay, you introduce yourself, detailed, like who you are, social media handles and everything that you'd like. I am Ashman Abu Bakar, youth leader, aspirant, 2022. I am a politician. Okay. Kisi central word. Oh, Kisi central. Yes. Oh, I am a letter opponent sir. Okay, social media handles. Social media. Social media is a chart here. How? Oh. Okay, you tell me if you subscribe to Uru kind of politics, but now that is later. Let's not complain. How are you sir? Thank you Kayesu. My name is Obare Thomas. I am aspirant. That is in Kisi county. This is the second time I'm praying it. Oh, the second time. Yes, I've been also a student leader at the University of Nairobi. You are my leader, yes. Yes, I'm a trained economist. Yes, this guy was my governor. At the University of Nairobi, main campus. It's not easy to be a governor at UN main campus. He was, he was. So Thomas Obare is a politician I respect. I also respect you, though we are meeting for the first time today. Yes. But now you are here to tell me on which party ticket are you buying? Party ticket as Mio or M. Oh, okay. I will not ask you Obare. I will not ask you your party ticket now for resources best known to me. But now, I'm not a Kenyawapi now. There was an earthquake yesterday. Where were you yesterday? Yesterday I was in Nairobi. Oh, did you feel it? Maybe the waves. You tried to say that. I was telling me that the earthquake was done using hands in the podium. I think there was earthquake. It was done by just a few people in the podium. Exactly. Yes. Because trying to look at Kaisu Mudavadi. Yes. It was seen coming since last week but one. When he defended Kakamega Sineta, Cleo Fasmalala attending the DPs rally. Yes. That's when everyone was like, sasa, we are moving there. We are moving to UDA. But Mudavadi is saying it's an earthquake, not really an earthquake. Maybe an earthquake for Oka falling. But not an earthquake for Kenya. Because everyone was waiting for it. Everyone knew. And since his excellency Ruto was having talks. Saying we want Mudavadi with us on board. Yes. We want to move with Mudavadi. Yes. So everyone was not like just something we will wait and see. Maybe a big earthquake more than yesterday. For me, no earthquake, maybe the storms and waves. I don't know whether it's correct that ANC moved to UDA yesterday. Is it that way or the other way around? They didn't really move. What happened yesterday is that they wants to cooperate together. Somehow trying to come up with a coalition. And to me that was in the earthquake. That was long predicted that Musalia was headed to Ruto. Yes. So nothing happened new yesterday. Nothing happened. Nothing happened. You were seeing nothing. Nothing happened. I want you guys to help me predict now what is going to take place. Because it was very clear, in fact the UDA people have been campaigning that it's very clear who is going to be our candidate. Is it now complicated who is going to be a candidate in this new coalition? Who is going to be a candidate between Musalia and Ruto? Now that yesterday Musalia also launched his presidential bid. There is no complexity in that. Ruto remains the candidate for that coalition. Musalia is just coming to compliment Ruto. For what position? What is he going to follow? The best he can get is the deputy presidency. The best. Do you think he's going to get the deputy president now that there is central Kenya in question? According to me Musalia can only be a minister in the government. Of Ruto? Ruto. Because having to look at the politics in Kenya right now, the big number, the big margin is in central Kenya. No one will want to lose getting a deputy from central Kenya who can back up his agenda. Having going to western region, western region Ruto has been campaigning there for long. But having to pick a deputy president from western region to me that's irony. You don't see Musalia being the deputy unless something else. What is Musalia going to be in this? As I said Musalia might be Ruto's running mate. Ruto seems to in his mind seems to think that he controls central. So he might be dangling the deputy presidency to Musalia and convince Winston now that central is in his bucket. Yes. Don't you think this may be spoiled for him? Maybe picking if some maybe another what the competitor picks a deputy from central. Don't you think this will maybe spoil this arithmetic for him? No that is the political matrix. We can only speculate but in the next one or two months it will be very clear of how the lineup will fold out. Yes. That is the topic we are discussing today. We are trying to bring now the maths. If you can see down here, our topic now is focus on August 9th. August 9th is when we are doing now the general elections. And now I want you to bring now that other suspect of bombers. There are men who walked out of that formation yesterday. Was it cowardice or is it just calculation? Kaisu, if you look at how the whole thing was Musalia yesterday was talking about betrayal. First I think he was addressing his excellency in the previous times when they had the coalition. And if you look at what happened yesterday in bombers Kalonzo Musioka, Jimmy Wanjeggi and Kano Kidyonmoy walking out at the bombers of Kenya it tells you that Oka from the word go did not have trust. Yes. Because you cannot have an event with let's say I and Obare having an event but I did not tell Obare I'm inviting you. Obare seeing you there it's like a miracle. It's our event or let's say it's my wedding and in my guest list when my spouse is looking at the visitors he does not see your name but you're appearing there as an ex-boyfriend. My friend you cannot stay. You cannot even stand at the altar. So you could also have walked out? I could have walked out because I'm not even informed of the other party. I'm not even informed that we're having guests. The only thing I know is that it's an ANC affair, it's an Oka affair. You will announce yourself as a presidential candidate as we did but not having guests whom are openings. To me what Kalonzo, what His Excellency did on Moe and Jimmy Wanji did it is the right thing because you cannot be in an event which every face you are seeing it's unfamiliar because you did not invite them. Are you buying the same idea Thomas? Not really. Everything in politics is planned. What happened yesterday was planned? Kalonzo, Moe, Jimmy Wanji was planned. They knew that Ruto was coming there. So them attending and walking out is the reason why we are talking about them today. Okay, for them to stay relevant. For them to be relevant they had to be there and walk out so that it gains the national. So according to you they knew that they would walk out. They knew that we are coming here but we will not address this. Yes, that was planned. You don't want to tell me that Musale Mudawa does not have the intelligence to know that Ruto was attending that function. No, he knew. He knew. So he attended. Exit while Ruto is entering so that you get the national attention. Okay. Yes. Let's speak also on betrayal that Abu Bakar has hinted. We are saying that the OGM leader betrayed them so they will not have anything, any pact going forward. Yes. In fact if I can quote Mbabatemi say that we don't know who we are going to work with in this journey. Yes. But we know who we are not going to work with and that is Yazimi Oka. He was that category call. Yes. Don't you think this he has also betrayed the Oka people? That's it. That's what I'm saying. Mudawa according to Oka from the first day they say they'll provide a candidate. They provide a candidate for the presidential elections and I think it was one month ago when rumors were running around that Oka is broken. Has broken. Oka is no more. Yes. Mudavadi was the first person to stand and say Oka is still firm. Yes. As Oka we will not invite anybody to our bedroom. Yes. But we will consider later on. So what happened yesterday? Mudavadi has clearly opened up like he is not to be trusted. He himself has said it according to his words because after there I think in the evening Kalozo Msioka spoke and the Kano Gidon chairman his party said that according to us Mudavadi has betrayed us because he did not even tell us he is having our opponent in the MDC. So according to us Mudavadi has shown betrayal and if you come to Mudavadi Mudavadi is saying that trailer betrayed betrayed him or them because he went back to the government and sat with Uhuru and took the handshake. Yesterday I think Mudavadi spoke about the handshake and said those people who did handshake they betrayed us, they brought us down. That's what happened. But if you try to see this the whole thing Mudavadi and UDA and ANC have done their handshake. It portrayed itself with the MP from western who dressed in ANC one side and UDA one side. What does that simply? That was immediately MPs called Gidimasa. Yes. That tells you that the UDA and ANC has already done their handshake. So without telling the parties he went ahead and shook hands. How about betrayal? There was no betrayal. In the city. There was no betrayal at all. Politics is a game of interests. When you were looking at Okka the chances of Okka winning were near zero. So Mudavadi joining Ruto is a better bargaining than him being in Okka. But what do you think he could sit down with these failed Okka principles and say, I'm not seeing this going anywhere. So guys, I think it's high time you release me. According to what happened yesterday it's like they didn't know that Okka is no more. It's this guy who was... I had Junete talking yesterday. You don't do that in politics. It is your interest first. If you want to alert your partners of your next move your partner might make that move before you make the move. So make the move first and that is what he did. If he could have been reluctant enough for Kalonso to make the move he could be relevant. You know what now Mubakari says that Rila also did that. He made the first move and went out and Mudavadi called it betrayal. Don't you think this should also be qualified to be called betrayal? For Rila, Rila didn't betray anyone. Look at you. Let me tell you. I want to support the move that Rila made. Yes. When we were at Hurupak on January 30th, 2018 Musaile Mudavadi, Kalonso Msioka and Moses Wetangula were not there. That ended the agreement that we had as NASA. So it's them who betrayed? It is them who betrayed the course we had because we were swearing in Rila Molodinga alone without his co-principles. So you cannot turn around and say that Rila has betrayed you. Rila went for his best interest. Yes. Okay. We are seeing very interesting turn of events now. We are seeing like strange bedfellows. If somebody who died in 2013 or 2017 during skirmishes can wake up now and see now the political realignments, they can be shocked. Yes, they can be shocked. What else do you think we are expecting? What strange thing do you think we can expect in 3 months time from now? Let's start with you, Abubakar. According to me, now we have started the politics. That's just started. Now we are now fitting in our shoes. We want to say now Kwaqisele, they say Uneka ngao zako te aiko. Now it's not the time to say who's in for this. I think it was January first week of January when there was like people saying the horses are too. And Mudafadi came up and said no, who are you putting us? Are you the donkeys? But now he has come out clear saying that the horses are too. It's either he is the candidate or Ruto. First Kaisui yesterday which would have been an earthquake only if Ruto would have supported Mudafadi. Then there we could have said it's not the real earthquake. But Mudafadi is saying that he is ready to work with you here. That's not even an earthquake. It's just like he has just said okay, seen an option. I'm now here stagnant. Let me now see where to go. Because looking at this side 2017 I was left outside. Let me try grabbing something here. And that's it. From now on moving forward we are not seeing like Kalonzo. He has remained on the road. He has nowhere to go. The only option Kalonzo has is either to go independent. And going independent in Kenya not having followers and not having a coalition is very hard. That's first. And the second, the only option Kalonzo has is either moving to Azimio or forming a coalition with Jimmy Wanjigi and Kano Kano but looking at the working relations with Kalonzo and Raela there's more likely chance that Kalonzo to move from this oka and flash to Azimio and looking at the working relations between Jimmy Wanjigi and Kano is likely to swipe parts to Azimio and same to Jimmy Wanjigi because Jimmy Wanjigi has worked with Raela more than any other politician. Even in 2013 2017 he said that he is the one who funded the campaigns for Raela and that's how they go to move forward. UOL politicians used to call them themselves wise men. It's laughing because before you pour your wisdom I know you want to pour your wisdom and I want you to pour it I want you to tell me what is likely to happen by May this year but now first tell me what can Gideon and Kalonzo have been put in a very awkward position now. What do you think is the next move? There is nothing awkward about Musalia Mudabadi joining Ruto actually in Oka the person who votes is Kalonzo not Musalia because Raela Odinga can campaign in western peacefully without Musalia Mudabadi but he can't campaign in lower eastern without Kalonzo Mzioka but just those three governors you cannot ignore Kalonzo Mzioka in lower eastern even with Kina Cube 1 and all that you cannot ignore Kalonzo we will campaign peacefully so Musalia joining Ruto is not a problem to Azimio we have no problem with that and we wish him well I don't know where this confidence is coming but you can go we know where we coming from and where we going Kalonzo Mzioka is joining Raela by May we will be having two distinct camps William Ruto and the camp of change which is the camp of Azimio but in between here we are going to see a lot of transfers so we can only expect few people to jump ship from this one ship to the other to suit the wave within their regions but it will be defined actually not even May by the end of April after party nominations even before party nominations people will be jumping ship parties that can take them to parliament or to their county assemblies so your prediction is by May the two camps will be so distinct all those who are in Oka and other small parties shall have taken position they will take position maybe some people will try to make it to the Balot or to the to August 9 but you don't think they will be significant they will be insignificant even if Oka decides to run to the end it will be insignificant so instead of that embarrassment they will join either camps time is really moving and I will do a big disfavor if I don't let you say what you are going to stand for maybe in your political personal political stand as Abu Bakar what new thing are you going to bring to Kisi central did you say Kisi central? is that now the town? what new what new thing are you bringing on political table in Kisi? Kaisu according to me the politics of Kenya in 2002 is mostly about the youths we are looking for empowering the youths bringing the youths to board even in Azimio is excellency reloading has seen that the youths have numbers the youths have say in Kenya the youth cabinet and according to me in Kisi central we have many youths who can do something they can do art, they can do music we have various talents in Kisi not only in Kisi across Kenya with the youths so your member anchor is that you are going to develop or improve these talents we need to bring up some institution that bring these young talents these young boys these young fellows out there we need to tell them that it's time for us as the youths to move forward how many are you in that race? I guess 4 4 for now are you all just claim for Azimio ticket? yes you are more than 16 for now those who are outside there yes those who are show seriousness wunajona apikati how are you kaisu it depends on yourself for me according to me because you cannot run then you expect the number last why are you running? stay at home and watch others running so it's either you run aiming the top seat or stay at home and cheer them run so according to me Kisi central Lugiamta ekonama baby those who have been there but I'm sure time changes it's new generation so maybe in August not August let's talk about October 2022 we may have you here as a machine that's my place okay let's talk about Wisdom you've not told us the exact seat you are I'm running for MCA second time running for Babasi Boitangare Babasi in which county is Babasi Kisi County what was the question? the question is wunajona je so far how did you do last time and how are you seeing yourself? as an independent candidate coming position 3 after jubili and ODM oh you're strong that means I'm strong on the ground and this time it's the people who want me to run and I've hidden to their call I told you earlier that I'm a trained economist I want to use that knowledge to transform my area so you are seeing yourself in a good position tell the Kisi your constituents who are watching you now what new thing you are going to bring to them how you are going to make the changes I have already shared with them that I can not you said that we don't have time I can only tell them that Babasi Boitangare will never be the same because I believe that I've got the knowledge I've got the capability I've got the training to transform that region okay how is the national politics in Kisi in general between these two starting with you Kisi is azimio percentage scale of 1 to 10 70 30 okay and what are you also of the same opinion according to me the whole opinion is azimio particularly Kisi and Yamira Kisi is azimio what beef do you have with DP no beef it depends with my mindset and your mindset and Kaisu I cannot think the same way you think maybe I like eating gali and you like rice so you are different you cannot force me to take rice my diet is different so no beef with the UDS side I have so many UDS friends we share ideas we share the logistics of Kenya so when it comes to politics it depends on your mindset and what you want for your people and depends on what those people want you first ask them what they want then you come to board together and say this is what you want as this place your idea we are very business oriented we are spread all over Kenya and in azimio we feel more safe they have been asking in whose hands are we safe we feel that we are more safe as the community in the hands of Raita on Ereboraila Molojdinga so that's why even you you buy the same idea for azimio for azimio we will get 70% of the vote you are the same for the first time you are sharing we come from the same region but Kisi will be more than Yamira the percentage of Kisi might be higher than Yamira but it's Yamira bordering we agree but that is not that is not the reason I think they have not found the right people to spread their azimio campaign machinani but I saw Honorebo Timo to Bosire launch his campaign we hope that he will change the tide of what is happening in Yamira there are people like Osoro who are vying on UDA and I think there are several others not just Osoro what are their chances now that you are saying 70% of in Kisi we do not go with the party Osoro will win his seat on a UDA ticket but the national the presidency is where we are talking about 70-80 70-30 but on the local seats you will be shocked that UDRS MPs ODMRS MPs, UDRS MCS because in Kisi we vote the individual not the party so you will be independent sharing the same opinion with my friend Obare almost the same according to me first of all these two all the youths out there I am advocating to them and I am saying this don't vote regarding the party first look at this person can he deliver what I want can this person bring change to my constituency to my word, to my county to my place you want to be Silvan Osoro is the Member of Parliament and he is a friend of mine and looking at his work looking at how South Mogirango is right now he is like 90% getting back to the Member of Parliament because the roads in South Mogirango the channels everything is good according to me Silvan Osoro is working in politics you must but you think he cannot win votes for his boss the presidential votes for his boss because of that good work Osoro campaigning for UDA in Kisi it's hard but he is doing it I am telling you like campaigning and taking votes for Kisi county to UDA it's very hard let's talk about fallout I think that is the last thing we are talking about you are as in me your party is doing nominations I think April don't you think people will fall out now starting with as in me or maybe we will go to other parties there will be a major fallout maybe after nomination people will be defecting and maybe starting to campaign for the opponent for their opponent now let's start with you Bari that is very normal in politics but we hope that the party comes up with a mechanism to question this nomination fallouts what will you do if you don't get the ticket in 2017 I didn't get the ticket I ran independent but I ran independent because I saw what had happened so I hope that all these political parties are putting mechanisms to ensure that the nominations are free and fair with free and fair nominations if I am defeated at the domination level I will support that candidate but don't play mangi games I expect me to support you According to Mika Honorable Rayla Malodinga said when you fail in the nominations doesn't mean that you are off it's like when you fall down doesn't mean that you have broken your leg just walk up try to crawl you said it clearly nominations will be done but if you fail just stay in the party the party has got many seats to offer even I myself if I fail in the nominations the candidate who will be chosen I will support the candidate I will campaign for the candidate On December tell me your final remarks my final remarks is I am only speaking to the youth mostly and I am telling them vijana it's your time it's time for you to take that vote of yours and let it be your say with this vote out there you can impeach you can put to office and you can take back home so wisely 2022 is here every leader is trying to grab the youths so stay safe this court is tight please give me some air I need to breathe very well so that's it Poe is done mine is simple in a period where IBC is trying to register voters I want to encourage all young people who have got national IDs and have not registered to kindly register as voters so that they can make their voice be heard on August 9th and ensure that as young people you participate in the political activity that I want to take place in a positive way because we cannot afford to ignore the impact that politics has thank you mine is just appealing on peace let's do it Vijana let's be peaceful this time round let's not be incited to do any act of violence let's play politics not violence this has been why in the morning it started early in the morning and now they have a man talk now there's politics and we are here with you so up next you are going to have Tanokali and keep it here thank you Adini