 At 231 on May 1st. So do we have a minute? So you took the minutes last time Are we there if you're willing to take minutes I Can take the minutes if you can okay. I I have heard from George that the town of Northampton that the committee that they do not take their own minutes and that they are taken by other People who are paid and I think that we have to do this. We're being all killed by minutes I'll take the minutes for this meeting. No, you can't see it's really impossible to run a meeting. Okay minutes. I will take it Okay, so okay. Thank you so much Steve if I could just comment. I know I spoke with the town manager yesterday and he is working on a plan to Address the minute issue so he's well aware of it. I believe he's spoken a lint about it But he's definitely spoken to staff who are supporting This committee and other committee so he is working on a plan and I think the intention is to have Minutes record excuse me meetings recorded and then someone Take the minutes so in the meantime, I would appreciate it if somebody from the committee could but we're working on a plan to have them Thank you so much So let me just also say that I have the meeting going from 230 to 430. I'd really like to wrap up at 415 you know if possible, so Discussion of it's really the town council goals But also the the goals for the CRC as if we support town council So my apologies for missing. Oh, let me also I should say that everyone is here except for Sarah so we have four members So I apologize for missing the last meeting, but perhaps And I did not get a chance to meet with Dorothy because of our own end of semester activities But can someone bring us up to date as to where you are on this? Dorothy say that again, please if someone could bring us up to date as to what the discussion was at the last Let's see we talked about meeting times and we that moment we're down for every Wednesday with the exception of July 3rd and There was one meeting where I might be absent another one Andy might be absent So but those meetings that was felt at least that July 17th should go on and we'll see about August 28th Let's hope that we don't have to have a meeting that one of the big things we have to do is to look at the list of goals and values and the timetable and See how that fits with our committee, but the fact is we do know what we're doing for the next two months We're working on zoning and master plan. I believe as the main things We discussed the CPAC proposal and we did vote to recommend that it be up past accepted by the council After we passed it Andy did say you know the finance committee has to look into this in more detail Which we did not do this week because the 500,000 bond issue, which is part of that package Would in fact count toward the town maximum Towards I have either two ways of putting this and I'm not sure which is correct Towards the maximum that the town can borrow or is that the same thing is saying against the debt limit? So clarification it is okay and Andy said in future we might think about a growth tax and again I don't know what we're talking about, but that's an item that we need to talk about some more There was some discussion about what is in the master plan and and how do we know to buy this piece or that piece for conservation and Dave assured us that in fact when he Evaluates land that is presented to him as a possible thing for the town to buy He looks at the master plan and sees whether it is Fits the purposes as laid out there There was a concern that Sarah brought up about not having good agriculture land Developed into a non-agricultural use and we were told that soil samples are taken and in fact the piece of land That one of the lands we looked at the Zala land When it was looked at was this good enough to be an APR it was decided. No, it wasn't it was too wet It was isolated and it didn't meet the state criteria, but they might try some limited development on the frontage Again, it was pointed out. We lose no dollars in Hickory Ridge I hope to spend off developable bit and maybe hope affordable housing market or other uses and a reminder that the East Street School Project will pay taxes because of course when you're looking at the community preservation You do want to look to see I think too many things being removed from tax rolls But we're going to be dealing with zoning in May, June and July and I believe our next meeting is going to be This is today on zoning. Is that correct and the master plan we have that The eighth will be on master plan and the 15th will be on zoning. Okay, great So Andy brought up an issue which was how do we deal with matters that are referred to us? Can we make our own timetable on our own initiative in other words can re-bring up issues? This was probably in relation to the question of those brought up by Pat about lowering the speed limit on the main street in response to a recent death and We didn't we didn't answer that question but that issue we were told would be referred to the Transportation committee and to the parking committee And that we were reminded that things to do with traffic and traffic plans are More complicated than they might seem and are part of some kind of overall plan So We will be thinking about that as it comes up We the work that was laid out for us for today, I think or to start on that was Making a CRC timeline month by month and that's where we could talk about and we probably need help on this Another question was do we want to have since we have so many areas that are major that are under our overview Do we want to have ad hoc committees with residents and counselors or would that not would that be a bad idea or would it be? a value to have some of the members of this committee to be official liaisons to particular committees or do we want to keep it as Informal liaisons and which is where I am at the moment But in other words, there are a couple of committees There are certain committees that we need to keep track of and I thought if we would each Say what committee we are already following or we want to follow and try to spread it out amongst the group so that In an informal fashion, we were kind of keeping a finger on the pulse, but that needs more discussion That's really kind of what we got you That was great. Thank you so much Yeah, so Thank you, that was great. There's a couple things that I wanted to touch on one was You mentioned about Would try limited development on the frontage for the Zala property and I think that that was in reference to Hickory Ridge David can answer to that question But Zala would be purchased With CPA funds and could not be used for that purpose That was why the proposal was made to have Hickory Ridge Purchase go with two different Pieces one is the CPA funds and the other with other town funds for that one frontage section Where that's closest to Pomeroy Lane That is I remember that now and you're correct So we've moved that sentence down and the fact of using other town funds I did not put in there, but I think it's an important clarification Yeah, in the draft minutes that I'm almost completed Minutes that's why I was on top of my mind second thing was it says What I was referring to on taxes is as we think about all of the work that we have to do about Envisioning the future of the community one of the things that we always have to be thinking about is The Importance of new development in order to make sure that there is growth in the tax base So that we can meet the other demands of the town including Interests that are going to be within this committee that require revenue that without revenue growth and that was that was the limit of it and I think that the last thing that I just wanted to Sort of touch on because just to make it more clear I was looking at the committee charge when I made my comment and The Question came up within the context of the committee charge and the way that it is worded Do we deal with issues that are referred to us or to what extent can we deal? with issues that Make come of our own Thinking and when you Because When you look at the charge it says review and make recommendations to the town council of matters referred to the CRC regarding and so when we get in can we That that's where that tension comes in and it sort of got into the question of where we really charged with looking at speed limits and That was just an example Okay. Thank you so so much I just Okay, so We should we do that as other business Okay, so regarding the correlation of our goals with the draft goals That were distributed at our last council meeting had you gotten Had you had you started on? No, so that's part of our business today. Yes, and I'm sorry. I'm trying to get up to speed. Yeah So So shall we forge ahead with that? I'm sorry. I'm just trying to get my sea legs here So I have opened the document called Well, it was 6d in the last package draft Council goals and activities It's dated 418 18 Let's be 418 19 But it's 418 18 a year before the council it was under on the council packages for the last council meeting I Have 418 2019. Oh, you have a 2000 2018 one was sort of ESP We make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else There were two documents so one looked like this is a worksheet Yeah, and then there was this other thing that was town council goals and assigned committees So, okay, let me get my variance Yeah, I don't seem to have the same why have this one open but not the other one Mr. Chair. Yeah, the one that Andy's referring to was sent to you After the council meeting gotcha So it would have been sent. I believe the next day from me. So look for your emails for 420 420 423 Here we are draft town council goals and assigned committees. I didn't actually I think you said this to Yeah, so I have them both in that email. So which one should we use as our Baseline the one page one Which The finance committee meeting we looked at both of these. Yeah, we looked at the one page one the Long chart Yeah, so if we look at the one page like an executive summary, right? But I don't know where to get that on the And a mic and a pencil can't do it So I even have a different one I might as on a spreadsheet Let's look at this since everybody has it okay Yeah, that's the one that I have Okay, so we did just discuss a few of these at the meeting last week for example Maintain and strengthen relations with our higher education institution and I I brought that up and I believe there was clarification that There is a two or three year agreement with the University and And I don't know whether we do anything on it or not I'd have to look find the other notes. I Believe that David, I'm gonna ask you but I believe that that is a contract that's not Negotiated by the town manager since he's authorized to do that Because it does have financial implications in it That is correct. That is my understanding. So the town manager will negotiate that with the University And then at some point, I believe it then does come to the council. Yes later this spring Paul will bring it to the full council Does it come through here? That's the question in other words. It's listed under CRC The maintaining strengthening relationships with a higher education institution has got CRC next to it Do we have a role in that as a committee as opposed to being part of a full council? You certainly I mean one of the things that we might do is it would come to the full council We might have an initial discussion about it We may go ahead and adopt it and thus you wouldn't have to do anything or the council may may look at it Have an initial conversation refer it to CRC. My sense is though that by the time we see it It's already been signed And is that yeah, my understanding is that the council doesn't approve Now the strategic partnership agreement between UMass and and the town It's negotiated by the town manager and the town manager will bring to the full council The terms of that Once that has been negotiated there may be discussion at a town council meeting They may refer it to you for input back up to the town manager, but my sense is by then it Will likely be signed. Well, you know it is in our charge So I am putting forward a possibility That we at least spend some part of a meeting before the contract is done In which to see if we have any suggestions that we would give the town manager or questions to ask him Let me try to rephrase that I think one of the options would be to look at the previous agreement and Discuss what these agreements look like. I'm not sure based on The nature of the conversation so I am personally not privy to them. So I Just want to be very clear I Don't believe that those are negotiations that are made in public Then should we Let's see looking at the charge. I think it's in the charge or at least we should then correct it and take CRC out of this column If we have no role we shouldn't have it next to our well There's certainly a lot more than just that agreement that is a relationship with higher ed. You're right. You're right everything including, you know looking at Some of the other committees and so forth. That's just one of the things but I do think it would be perfectly appropriate to ask Through David if the town manager or David who's familiar with it as well Could at least explain what that agreement might look like what it's looked like in the past. Is that reasonable David? Just so we understand at least that much of it right and then maybe any other conversations that about Conversations we have With higher ed institutions other agreements committees we serve on because there is a committee around UMass that's particularly around working with neighborhoods and Noise and drinking I guess or there's other learning more about what the town's relationship has been like with these institutions is useful Well, certainly we get quality of life comments to us, but I think in terms of what I've heard from the people is that wishing that there was Some being part of the discussion if the university is going to do any major building on the borderline of a residential neighborhood Liking to know about that and maybe being Park some at least some small part of that process rather than having to react To things after they've been decided David so if it would be helpful around One of the meetings it could be the eighth could be the 15th Could be the meeting after that, you know I'd be happy to provide as part of your packet the previous strategic partnership agreement Which is a public document and then maybe I could walk you through it on that date You know later in May and If you had any input or feedback that you wanted to get to the town manager through me, you know That would be perfectly fine. I think Yeah, I think that sounds like a great and if we could include Two other I saw the there is no street Only UMass has a strategic partnership with correct. So there is nothing and no We do not have agreements with Amherst College or Hampshire College. I have a yesterday in discussing with George the question of the new SRO on North Hampton Road and thinking about possible future development on North Hampton Road There was a wish of being able to talk with Amherst College just to see if To or to talk with somebody to see does anyone have something planned is anything in mind Again, it's bordering a residential neighborhood residential neighborhoods on both sides actually So there is interest and concern We know that Amherst College has bought some buildings on that road and made them into larger buildings and tastefully so Kind of matching. They're kind of colonial Campusee brick type buildings No objections to that So is that a possibility to have some Discussion with them. It's always a possibility. Anything's possible My experience is that Whether you're a private developer or a college or a university This bringing forth concepts prior to Entering a formal process with the town is not always High on on developer or it's it's fraught with risk and and the notion that Amherst College or one of the other institutions would come forth In some cases they do in some cases they don't we just hear about it when they begin to apply for permits or go through a permitting process Certainly in the future we could invite Amherst College in to perhaps give a an overview of their campus plan What they're what they're looking at over the next five or ten years but I I'm not optimistic that they would come in and share plans for the route nine corridor with us They might just say we don't have any at this time, but we don't know whether that's 12 months or 24 months or five years or 10 years I mean the colleges and universities are always planning they have master plans or they're called other things at the other campuses But so I think we could we could certainly open a dialogue with Amherst College We we meet with them on a fairly regular basis, but they're not always In a position to be forthright months or years in advance of when they're thinking about something I mean they're planning for dormitories. They're planning for for athletic facilities. They're planning for You know infrastructure improvements, so so it's it's possible, but Sometimes it doesn't fit in a nice neat box on what are you doing on route nine that? right because we we received a Document proposed Amherst housing priorities policy from John Harnick and It concentrates on the UMass Student plan and the relationship to existing units of housing and it was figures and statistics and It may be that Amherst College really has absolutely no plans to increase the student body, but if it did We wouldn't we want to know We would I'm not aware nor has it ever been mentioned to me that Amherst College wants to expand their student body at all Not to say that it wouldn't but We've not heard that about Amherst College So I think I guess I would Go back to my earlier responses. I think in the future. We could invite Planning staff from Amherst College to come in and talk with us about their master plan What did they see? What are their major initiatives over the next five to ten years? That's your product prerogative You could invite them to give up an overview for them and they have staff that may be willing to come in and do that And I think it would be very Interesting to hear from them. I Would definitely like I would enjoy Some of your planning ideas with us But I also feel like they have given they're not opposed to the SRO. So I feel like that's a separate issue Did you have your hand up? This is a Complex and difficult topic with the select word Delta is forever and never with happy resolution and I think that we need to just be realistic about what Expectations are which doesn't mean we shouldn't try but Understand that these institutions There each one of them is different and each one of them comes with their own Expectations and visions of what they're How they make decisions and how they control The use of their own property and what their vision is for their future We've had a couple of instances with Amherst College acquiring property for example within downtown Amherst that Effectively took land off of the tax rolls opposite to what I said before About our interest in developing taxable property One was the old Chevrolet dealership which they acquired for parking and maintenance Facilities without ever telling us they were thinking about acquiring it and the others building that they very tastefully We did that those of us have been around a long time Think of it as a pure pan bus terminal But the Fiber Arts Center where they Baptist Church or the in in both situations Amherst College made a decision to purchase property and effective into Then take it off tax rolls by using a pre-direct educational purposes Without consulting the town or being involved in any way In you know, they have a Board of Trustees or that It's a national board made up of People who have very strong investments in the college but don't have very strong investments in the town. I must say Is my observation it is not an easy topic? The University is an entirely different situation because it is a state entity unto itself It has some of the powers and attributes that normally belong to Towns the University has the right to retain for itself The University in its current leadership is very interested in trying to be as collaborative as possible with the town and Dave is co-chair of the University town of Amherst collaborative and You know some of the development Initiatives that you're referring to that have to do with student housing really Came out of some of the UTAC work in the strategic partnership initiative there are partnership agreement that was referred to earlier is now being negotiated into its third round and because it is a Document that's ultimately being negotiated between the town manager and the Chancellor It is really not public Conversations that go on so this is a very set of complex important and difficult relationships I Think that we just need to learn as much as we can about each one but understand that there are limits and We need to find ways to Express our strongest concerns Within the context of what's possible and just to continue on down the road We obviously need to pay attention to Hampshire College because The greatest resource is land and the land is you know basically a Substantial part of their endowment. So what you know how they choose to stay open will very much be in my opinion both raising the cash entailment, but also strategically using that land and and David again can speak to this but Because of what's been going on with Hampshire College the town manager did reach out to the previous president of Hampshire College And I understand will also and is in touch with the newly named interim president the predominant Issues as they immediately affect the town is we do provide them with sewer and water They do not have much of a police force left And so that pretty much means we're there for that Although they're not one of our bigger clients from what I understand And in the town manager's report he's reported on some of that and then we did the we did actually see the newspaper today And it was anticipated in a previous conversation even with the prior president That there would be some layoffs And also that they're in the process of trying to In fact, I think we just saw a letter from the president how they're trying to deal with faculty Either some taking early retirement some taking a year's leave so that They're trying to deal with a number of financial situations. I all of that's a long way of saying of Taking the initiative to Reach out to the college and make sure that they're engaged in conversation And the current president is a longtime Resident of Amherst and actually has been very involved in the town gown Discussions, I would just comment on that article that I Was very pleased with the efforts that are being made by the surrounding colleges And the idea that a current student or next-year student at Hampshire could still see a professor Who was a Hampshire professor, but who is now a visiting professor at another local university And that that professor could in fact for extra contract money continue to advise the students So allowing for some kind of continuity of education. I thought I thought that was really good I know that that the town manager has been very concerned with workers workers in the food service and grounds who are losing their jobs and I Don't know that that's gonna have an impact on on rents or apartments or whether people are gonna be unable to Meet their payments. I don't know just wondering Dave if you know Does the town doesn't really have that much social services? Does it? I guess what I can say is that as as Lynn said earlier We have been in discussions with the previous Through the town manager with the previous president and with the current interim president and so We're working as closely as we can with staff there to be aware of The layoffs what impacts they might have on people who live in Amherst who may have children in the Amherst schools or Have Significant others or spouses who work for the town or the schools or or at other institutions in Amherst So we're I think as aware as we can be and I think Hampshire College has done a nice job at providing support for those Faculty and staff who who are in transition right now. So I know Paul is keeping a prize of that and offering What support we can we don't directly provide social service support or unemployment support to those Affected, but I know Hampshire has connected with those employees affected to local state and other resources and and to add to that both Representative Mindy Dom and state senator Comaford have been very much on top of particularly Making sure that those workers got the kind of state And local assistance it it's through regional employment boards that you get dislocated worker services So I'm sorry, okay, so what what exactly is the expectation then so this is an interesting discussion So it says a sign committee submitted plan What is the expectation as to How we translate our this discussion into the template Madam president, I knew there was a reason I came to this meeting It's interesting as we were putting together and Pat is on this committee But as we were putting together the various goals, we had serious elementary and secondary Goals because of the regional school districts and the potential of the new elementary school or schools And we decided we should throw in a higher ed goal Because it's a huge part of our town and we do have relationships And then the question was well if we put a higher ed goal in here, which committee would it go to well? CRC is the logical committee So I think this is the kind of discussion I mean I've written down since you started your meeting today one is to review previous strategic partnership agreements with you and That that would be something that CRC would do through that through Dave Another is learn about the individual campus master plans And I've not put a deadline on that or anything, but it's something that if they're willing to come and talk to us They might Eventually we will see the strategic partnership agreement with UMass that will be the third one We just we get to see it it's a town manager So basically we do our own strategic planning goals based on the CRC I mean, I'm sorry based on the council overarching goals, right? It's kind of so it's really you know Are there other things that you think we should be doing? There are these other committees. It's just understanding I don't see this one as one of your major goals but I do see it as I mean they are a significant part of our community and Form a huge part of our economic base so it's it certainly could become one if I mean the public-private partnership proposals The Hampshire College uncertainties, you know things like that could raise this to the top But so maybe so then maybe through the minutes What we'll do I can do is then try to establish our own goals based on these Let's keep going until we find our name again and Now I'm at your one and beyond master plan review and revised Review and if necessary revise and adopt a master plan that should be easy Yeah, right the charter requires. Yeah with no specific time frame that the town council adopt the master plan and therefore Obviously You bring forward something that says well before we adopt something we sit we clearly have to know it and I think what? You already had identified and have scheduled now for the next meeting is a general overview of the master plan And then on the other document. I think you gave a suggested timeline. I did but This is draft. Yeah, this is suggested. Let me let me try to find where that is By law review give me a sec Master plan here we are I'm on page 14 of the longer document so initial review of master plan and So it's page 14 of the Presentation discussion of the master plan at a special town council meeting Early fall 2019 Develop are we all in the same page here? Develop and begin implementation of a plan to review revise and adopt Conveying public forums So this is all in the fall Continue to review assess and consider potential updates So a year process is what the committee it was thinking Actually goes over to 21 years till 21 and I want to just stress and I can't say this strongly enough The planning board is really Almost like an equal partner with you on this one. I Mean it the master plan is really a planning board document and a lot of it depends on whether or not it's a renovation or if the recommendation is a A new building so if it's a renovation it seems like a task that could be done in the timetable You know suggested if it's a new master plan, which could certainly be a recommendation That's a very no expensive and extensive process But I think starting the process in fall 19 Makes sense to me Anyone else want to comment on that? Well, this is this is page 15, right? Yes Well, I was using a little colored marker. Yeah, and marked every time CRC came up page 14 for me 14 and 15 says CRC and planning board. Yes, right. So initial review, which is what we're going to do now then it goes on to The fall is what you're just saying the presentation discussion the master plan and special town meeting town council meeting Includes other knowledgeable about plan. Okay, I Guess we have to set that up Do we do we do that set that up? So who does it is on the far right town council? Our committee the planning board and other committees as appropriate, but we would set up our own Yeah If it's a special town council meeting we would set that up with right right the president. Yeah, and then So then we're not revising we're just making a plan to review revise a master plan for the master plan. Yeah, right So, let's see then a public forum in the late fall. That's it's gonna be that's gonna be very busy again like where we are right now More public forums when is the revision just so you know that the charter does require public forums about the master plan Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I got caught in that one. Okay, so we don't really When do we vote on it? Fall 21. Is that it if you stick to this timeline? This is all Drapped this is all suggestions. It was to throw something out there So you had something to win to begin with yeah, you can look at this and say this is absolutely not doable and This is not what we should do and David, please So I think this is a really good point to go back to Steve's earlier comment about is this An update of the master plan or is this a rewrite of the master plan so To Lynn's last comment about I mean, I think the town council suggested something if if we're gonna do a rewrite and an update Or excuse me an update of the master plan clearly. It'll go more quickly. It'll be less expensive. It'll be more less time Consuming but if we're gonna start from scratch then It's gonna be a much longer process until you get into the master plan until you have a Discussion with Chris and Rob and myself I think I would leave that as kind of question mark on the timeline. I See the first meeting where they give you the overview as the first part of that conversation So we want to get you familiar with the master plan We want to get you familiar with zoning and then we'll look at your timeline and work with you and say, okay We need Chris to come back because we need more a better understanding of this section or that section or that section Or in your initial read you say, you know, this section really this needs work Let's put that on the work plan and and and then we can talk to Chris and Rob because They and their staff are the ones who are gonna work with you with the planning board and likely with the zoning subcommittee on Rewrites to either master plan or zoning I Know one area that I would like conversation is it's accepted as gospel at this time that we want a Lot of development and infill development in the town or village centers and I'm not sure that I I would like to have us look at that zoning again and to be thinking about The challenge of doing that and preserving the New England character of the town Because that's been a big issue for some people and I think we have to do that soon. I mean, I'm worried about the The continuing fascinating saga of Porta When it was very interesting to see that the owner of the land said well We're not gonna do what we had planned to do before because the town didn't like it So I was happy about it. My husband said yes That just means he might sell the property to someone else that person doesn't want to do something that will cause Us to all be unhappy, but it doesn't mean he won't sell it to somebody who'll try something else So we've got to really be moving quickly. I think If I could and Steve knows this better than Than I having been on the planning board for so long, but that infill development that goal of Channeling our future development toward the Village Center is Referenced in the master plan. In fact, it's a core It's a core Facet of the master plan So I think that's why it's so important to start with that Do we still want to concentrate? Development where development already exists in the downtown and the other Village Centers If we agree that we do that is a goal of the town how we do it and How the zoning supports and reflects that is a deeper conversation and without going into that depth I think in our first meeting Steve referred to form-based code So we will get around to talking about form-based code, but form-based code is one tool that can give the town more input, I'm not sure control might be too strong a word, but It can certainly move us in the direction of Seeing some development there that That Might fit in with with the existing in a way and again I'm not taking away from any of the development that has already happened, but Let's see how that plays out as in our discussions so Yeah, and then the last master plan was Approved ten years ago right something like ten years ago And the shelf life of a master plan can be 20 years 25 years, you know something like that So we're about halfway. We're at the point where You know who know I don't have an opinion as to whether or not this is the time to you know start the process again But there are there is a lot of information now that was so back Then it was all theory right so there and now there's actual real life projects that we can see in the you know North Amherst in downtown Amherst in different places where there was a strategic interest in Concentrating development into areas that were Had already been developed. So so now we have a better baseline and that might be help us Refine the existing master plan So we're gonna just do what ready golf which means when you're ready to talk just talk It seems to me that master plan There is a lot of it. That's very very clear and very good So rewriting the whole thing from scratch doesn't seem to be my goal But really looking at it understanding it understanding the relationship of zoning and then reflecting on what's working and what isn't working and Making changes seems really the route to go on There are difficult issues Dorothy is Touched on some of them because Infill was a goal But info was sort of Also recognized as part of what I had referenced earlier that if we don't have development We don't have new tax growth and We can't achieve our other goals that are incorporated in the master plan and that we envisioned for the town because we won't have the revenue to support it without Asking our current taxpayers to pay even more which is replete with its own difficulties and Then there's the tension between trying to protect Significant development and change within what is the current residential neighborhoods and How that fits in with what we do these are tough issues and We need to have a process that allows the community to talk about it sort of gets back to them the Process that led to the last master plan was a very large Valuable and expensive process because there was a number of Community meetings and opportunities for the community to be involved throughout the process It took a long time to do that work. I think one of the things that We in the planning board need to do is to understand the complexity of the prior process How much of the plan? We really think needs to be revisited in the extent in means of Involving the community Obviously That we need to look at the plan and figure out how much of it we want to Focus on in terms of perhaps revising it and then to also think about where and when we want the public input Is that correct? I? Would think so, but I would also not want to reach Conclusions and exclude parts of the plan for review without letting the public Express their concerns Because there may be parts of the plan that they particularly like or particularly hate and or just particularly don't understand and I think we need to Make sure that we have Significant public engagement to allow those questions and discussions to take place It's um, you know, it's my favorite subject that we can see all agree that infill In village centers is a great idea But then when we get down to it, we won't agree on what we need my infill We won't agree on what we need my village centers, so it's a fun discussion Well as a Deviation I went and looked at Olympia Place and Olympia Oaks for the first time yesterday and I Don't know how that building is gonna weather, but it's certainly interesting looking the pointy one with the white side of the world the That's Olympia place. It was at least architecturally interesting So I like that and I thought Olympia Oaks which I haven't checked it out to see how much of it is affordable housing It looked like a place that I would have moved in when I was you know had young small children Which I can't say about so many of the other affordable housing places, so You know there's development and development some of it looks exciting and interesting and as well cited and other isn't And that's kind of what the problem is So what I'd like to do is call the committee's attention to parts of the charter section 2.13 is on public forms and It requires that the president of the town council shall call no fewer than two public forms a year to address The master plan and the budget Respectively so in other words every year we have to have a public on the master plan And then when you actually go to section 9.8. It's much more descriptive about master planning and Gives you the language for instance that the town council has to adopt a master plan Etc. It also talks about master plans being done at least every 20 years So there's a whole lot more in the charter and so as you approach next week's meeting I'll make sure you get those pieces from the charter that pertain to the master plan The other the other thing I would say is Even though I've given you a deadline for when I would like to have these Things back you can also say we're solid on this date and everything after this We are not clear whether this is the way to do it or this is the dates by which we would do it Okay, well, I would propose that we forge ahead with the draft dates which right now look reasonable And so we can if you all agree we can incorporate that into our own We will be able to change those dates if we if they start yeah Everyone agree with that so do you want that I will make a motion that we accept these dates and Work with them and adjust them as needed Motion in a second discussion. I see done Raise your hand Raise your hand if you're in favor Passes for zero 401 So now I've moved on to my page 16 which says Zoning review assess and revise zoning by-laws and this is the CRC working with the Planning Board including its zoning subcommittee So the target date to begin and end spring 2019 which is which is now and then through next year so I think that after our What I would propose is that after our sort of overview of the master plan and The zoning by-law that then we schedule a meeting. Maybe we've already done maybe we've already And we schedule meeting with the zoning subcommittee of the planning board. Yeah, we haven't yet. Okay Because the zoning subcommittee which is the keeper of these sorts of changes Would be the most or we could do it with a planning board itself the Excuse me, but I think one of the other things you That may adjust your time frame and that is that as of July 1st We will be seating a new zoning board and planning board now I have no idea what the makeup those will be Some may be people from the past But it might be an opportunity to do some things together Do you mean that we should try to meet with the Planning board and zoning subcommittee now with the old committee and then we can meet with a new committee committee later I Would suggest so there's no time like the present so the current zoning subcommittee. I would imagine has a Portfolio of things they're interested in if that were to for whatever so the planning board can reorganize itself even if it's a Same people they can reorganize themselves after the new new count of the new fiscal year I Think there's no time like the present to get to a brain dump of the current Either the whole In a way, I want to leave that up to them Do they think it should be with a planning board as a whole or the zoning subcommittee I Wonder Steve if Having the meeting on the eighth on master plan the meeting on me 15th on zoning Maybe having one meeting after that because you may want Chris and Rob to come back Yeah, I mean this is not a one-and-done on the master planner one and done on zoning. So then we maybe look Maybe at your last meeting in May to have the planning board come in I know also the town council is going to be extremely busy during May with budgets Particularly late May so maybe we kind of flex a little bit looking at the last meeting in May or the first meeting in June To have the planning board or or we could leave it up to them. Whether it's the whole planning board or the zoning subcommittee come in I do think to Lynn's Point or question earlier We don't know who will be on the planning board come July 1, but I do think I like your idea of a brain dump There's there's wonderful committed Experienced people there some of whom we may not have right in the future. We can't predict. So let's get there Their wisdom and their input now Before there is a new seating of new members. I like it. So maybe late May or early June. Yep So just just as for the minutes The 8th is a master plan the 15th is the planning board the 22nd you thought we might want the planning board Again or the plan. No way we haven't no, I was thinking skip one meeting So the 22nd is a flex meeting because I think there will be follow-up and questions on master plan and zoning And then maybe have them come in Invite them for that. What's your last meeting in May? Okay, and I'm realizing that and I was and you say planning You're talking the town planning professionals and I'm thinking planning board right and but Steve is talking about let's meet with The planning board and the zoning subcommittee while they're still whole before the new people come in. Yes, right? Yeah, so we How Steve how would you arrange those meetings so I could put it here in the minutes? Oh, well, I would be happy to work Yeah, yeah, the planning director. Yeah arrange those so the planning board itself including a zoning subcommittee Meet Wednesday, so the think the zoning come subcommittee meets Wednesday's at five and the planning board meets Wednesday's at seven so Hopefully our time slot might work, but if you if you guys are willing maybe we can meet during their time slot That sounds good. Yeah Yeah Guess that I had one other question of the body and that is the bylaw review committee Under on the town goals and signed committees page which we are looking at Under year one where it says bylaw review complete the update and adopt the general and zoning bylaws Signed committee bylaw review committee I think we'll do that Okay And what you're reading that? Yeah, so we'll get to that under other business if that's okay because that's Yeah So this everybody has to do with the existing zoning bylaw as opposed to changes to the like how do we make those existing zoning bylaw work? Doesn't it I think that's right, but I just want to make sure that we're clear about it Yeah, I don't think this is a so any changes to the See I this is actually the part I don't know because any changes of the zoning bylaw require a public hearing by the planning board Before it goes to the legislative Should we just go into the maybe yeah, let's just go into that Bylaws which including the general bylaws and zoning and When we came on as a committee we did we Ask them to continue in two forms one We asked to have the bylaw the general bylaws reviewed by the committee Expanded with some counselors on it the planning board is looking at the zoning bylaws the issue right now for The bylaw review committee. It's still in We're still supposed to Bring have council approval, but so what we're asking is initially all that was taken out any of the bylaws general or zoning was references to select board or town meeting or things like that and We've gone through we're on our seventh iteration of the general bylaws the planning board is working on Looking at substantive changes not making them but tracking them and talking about them Bringing them forward, but there's been no but we are charged With having them reviewed. So we're going to be asking this committee and GOL when when it comes up When we present the bylaws that you you guys are willing that we're willing not to But leave them with the planning board So that we would as a council make the decision or as two committees make a decision to recommend to the council that we do not Need to look at that initial Review that was done by the bylaw committee. I say and that the planning board that's their starting base and so they're but they're looking at it not just Editing changes of names and things like that. They're looking at the content of the And they should be yeah, and those will come to CRC and they will come to GOL Hmm. So we're just asking this committee to say NGOL when you know, okay, we accept this format and we know the planning board's working on it We don't need to take it into our committee because that will slow everything down for not a particularly good reason Can you restate that? Yeah, simply because I didn't I don't know what to write down here We would like Or When the bylaw review committee Presents its report That CRC Except Yeah, that's that's right Look at it Okay With with and after the planning board, but they're changes those yeah substantive changes That makes sense good and so Okay For the same so it'll be a formal just saying we Want this to go right? Make sense to me. So do we need to take up make a motion for that? No Let's let's make it and do it. Yeah. Do you want to make that motion? Okay, and I'll second your motion Any discussion? See none in favor raise your hand 401 okay 401 what do you mean? So we're still on page 16, so I think we have at least a start for that I Think we have at least a start before so we're still in page 16. We have a process for how we can begin a discussion of the more substantial changes to the zoning bylaws by Beginning meeting with the zoning's the planning board slash zoning subcommittee. Yeah, I think this is For Dave is that We should think about making sure that the presentation we received from the planning department Gives us an overview that you understand better than I think the rest of us do about all of the mechanics that are required by law changing zoning provisions and how that works within The current form of government we now have this it's my understanding that that Changes to the zoning bylaw still have to arise through the planning board. Yeah through a hearing process and Then they come to the council as opposed to going to town meeting That our committee Will then have a role in reviewing it, but the extent to which We might propose further modification is something that we need to understand ourselves And so that could be presented to us With somebody who really has a firm foothold and zoning law Sure, be happy to talk with Chris and Rob. I meet with them tomorrow and this will be one of our main topics. I would also Suggest that somewhere either in the zoning discussion or in the next meeting they may Give you a sense of what the zoning subcommittee has been working on They may not go into great details, but they might just preview that just a little bit because there's There's a lot of things to work on as Steve knows It's all about prioritization So so they may just hint at these are some of the larger areas will photo You know that that you will hear about later in May And so the process under a town council like Palo I can guess at but I'm not certain that I know about but so Generally the I mean the Charter says that the Gives authority to various groups to propose changes to the By law but no matter what it has to go through the planning board for this public hearing The public hearing can be a negative vote, but and typically if it is a negative vote It doesn't move forward, but it could move forward I mean, I don't the negative open is simply a recommendation to the legislative. Yeah, I'm gonna have to yeah Look at that more carefully myself because I didn't prior to this meeting. So and then the other thing is just and I'm just Thinking about things we have to think about so the amendment process. So I tell meeting the way that town meeting worked at least by the rules of town meeting is that Proposed by-laws could be changed on the floor, but only if they were less Restrictive or or so you know in other words if something said this shall be no more than 40 feet Someone could propose that it shall be no more than 30 feet and so And that definitely happened sometimes on the floor and I always I asked the moderator at the time how Since that has already been vetted through a public hearing process, how can we be changing it on the floor? Because no matter what you're doing and you're changing the scope and we're not sure what so but anyway That was a process we have and now we have a new one So we'll we'll get some guidance on that before Before the meeting as well Yeah, I have a an issue about public forums We found we had a public forum Lynn. I don't remember what topic it was on anymore It was the one where people were asked to talk about what they would like to see in the budget Okay, and we didn't have anybody come and I think that This is a new thing. There's no town meeting anymore, but we have a lot of public forums that if it were possible somehow To make a schedule In advance if possible that would be published and that the interested Citizens of this community would know and that we have kind of some kind of uniformity of place and time Or something that would they would say, oh, I've got this hearing coming up or this forum coming up with of course clarifying What the hearing is and what the forum is because it's to me a very complex thing Otherwise we're gonna have these things we're gonna go through them and very few people gonna be there because they didn't really know about it In a in a way that allowed them to plan Right and I think maybe down as we move to year two We can get a whole lot better about that We do have both a hearing on the budget for example Scheduled in May and another hearing on the capital no excuse me a public forum on the capital plan That is scheduled on June 10th The other thing we're trying to do is make sure that all hearings and public forums are at night the and The public forum on the budget will actually be on a Monday night, which is the same night We would normally meet as a council, so we're we're trying that and then the other thing that we're Have clarified is that at public forums during the 50% of the time that is Public comment we can actually be answering questions and Providing information Even though quote we're not the public, but so it can be more of a dialogue Steve To to your point Dorothy, I think you know the The opportunity is ours to kind of Redefine how to some degree within the law of course public hearings and public forums. There's a difference legally between the two but How we get people how we engage people is we're trying many new methods throughout Town and the new form of government, but certainly you know, I've been doing this a long time for the town There are kind of recipes that work and sometimes ones that don't and I will say zoning Typically where we get a good turnout is when it affects you and the people who are affected come out But I've been in this room as says Steve where it's been you could drop a pin and there's three people And it's a major zoning discussion So I think we need to brainstorm with staff with other committee members with your constituents I Have seen a good luck at taking Discussions out to we didn't have districts before but out to different parts of town And not necessarily meeting in this in this space But if there's something that might have an impact on North Amherst Let's go out perhaps to North Amherst and have a meeting and we're I think we're much more likely to get a large crowd at a public forum I'm not talking about the public hearing but at a forum where we're gathering input on what People would like to see relative to zoning in North Amherst or East Amherst or South Amherst or downtown Working with the bid in chamber more closely to try to get business owners landowners property owners to come to these and give us their Feedback, so I think we need to try anything and everything to engage more people in these discussions What I think historically sometimes happened and it was nobody's fault is Tremendous work by the planning board zoning subcommittee and staff and it got to town meeting and Some people were surprised that something was coming before town meeting and I think our new form of government affords us the opportunity to Not have surprises and potentially engage more people earlier, so it's going to take some work, but I think the opportunity is there So we have I have to leave at quarter after so we have about a half hour left and we're I Think we've pretty much discussed that which is on Page 16 we haven't talked about the big committee of the whole Master plan zoning 101 community That would be a special meeting where the whole Town council gets the master plan zoning of 101 community resource, but that's I Would assume that would be during a regular council could be during a regular council night and then Field trips around town and hold workshops to examine results of present zoning bylaws Might make sense, but let's get through these these presentations before we figure out where exactly we would even want to do that So I've moved on to page 17 Identification of zoning bylaws that we would like to review and change prior to so these are sort of the priority changes to Zoning bylaws, which I'm sure the Zoning subcommittee slash Planning board has they always have a Sort of an urgent list that this should be changed because it's stopping this good project or it's starting this bad project so This will come up as we meet with them But that makes sense for fall to me that makes sense for fall 2019 I'm not sure where you are right now. I'm sorry. I'm on page 17 now But a very top Okay, I'm sorry I'm on page 17 of a document that has 24 pages 21 pages and The headline is the very first page says Amherst town council gal Amherst town council goals worksheet draft draft as of 418 19 Page 17 planning conduct field trips. You were talking about that. Oh, I'm sorry. I jumped Where my where I am in my head, okay If you look on the left The left column goals referred to and then there's a big block with zoning with a and b Yeah, and so if you start there if you go down two blocks below it Regardless of how you're paginated. You'll come to Yeah, it says conduct field trips around town and what I was going to suggest before we commit to that Let's find figure out what field trips we would need and hold workshops. Let's figure out what workshops we would need Are you accepting the summer? 2019 I was proposing that we accept it. I was proposing that we accept this timeline. Yeah by consensus Without objection Yeah, okay, then I moved us on to page 17, which is still the zoning Section so this is taking us into next year And all of this sounds good, but what we need to do is to I'm sorry to me. This all seems good but until we know what You know our priorities are the planning board's priorities are it's hard to You know comment much comment much more than that. I agree It's it's useful to have it broken down in steps But that's so far from where we are now that it's just yeah hard to imagine. Yeah at this point and Thanks to the Goals committee for giving this much thought to this because I think this is you know really good Yeah, my thought is that the steps themselves Is what I first concentrate on and I have no Suggestions to make on changes to steps Time goals that are put in there We may need to reserve the opportunity to make Proposed modifications as the year proceeds and we see how we do But I think that what I concentrate on now is what are the steps that are proposed and what is the order? For doing the steps and if that seems right I think we'll have done a lot And while we're here, let me just ask chat Are you here for are you gonna comment? Are you just here to listen? Okay? Because we do have time for a public comment, but okay Does the do the minutes note who the public is if they don't comment they don't have to chat anonymous Okay Yeah, it's Chat anonymous So I suggest we accept these for now and and I think a lot of thought has been put into the to the steps So I was gonna move us on to page Housing yep Review and if necessary revise and adopt comprehensive housing plan and priorities Then the next block is review and discuss current housing plan and priorities So this to me sounds like a another presentation to us after we've cleared You know the decks of the planning zoning master plan We did talk a little bit about this at the last meeting Steven. I think we agreed that doing a Session with you all and any other counselors who might want to come on affordable housing. I'd like to have Nate Malloy our staff Person who focuses on affordable housing and then maybe John Hornick team up and give a presentation on affordable housing And there are numerous Things out there like the 40 are studies that we all went to most of us went to the presentation on Information session on that Housing studies that have done been done by the town that are available on the town website substantial investment done to get those in place and we really need to have time to review them and Ask questions about them And I think that that's sort of incorporated into the review and discuss current housing plan and priorities I would assume that that part of it and So it gives back to my comment. I like it's an important first step. I was just up. I'm glad to see identified Spring This year. Yes, we're rapidly escaping us and we've really committed it to planning a master plan learning about those topics. So I really Doubtful that we're gonna get into Depths of those housing policies, and I don't think that we can comment on What we received from mr. Hornick until we've had a chance to really get that deeper knowledge And housing is a big part of the master plan and so a lot of the housing studies that were done were done after the master plan Was adopted so this could be a place where we could You know ask that or try to have a part of the master plan rewritten or to adopt these as Part of the master plan is another option that we have Two things there one I would suggest when Chris Presta presents to you on master plan one of the first thing she'll tell you is that Although the creation of the master plan was a very inclusive process with hundreds of residents and staff and and and and folks involved committee and board members where we Perhaps didn't do so will was on Implementing some of the the recommendations in the master plan as some of them have Happened anyway like all the studies and some of the infill development But I think Chris will point out early on that we didn't allocate time energy or money For implementation, but then back to affordable housing again. I would suggest that sometime in June I put kind of June X to be determined TBD Pick one of the June meetings and we'll set up John Hornick and and I'll work on this with John Hornick and Nate Maloy To come in and give you an overview of affordable housing The various studies and I'm sure they could put together, you know a 45 minute presentation and then follow with this Discussion so and again, we could invite the counselor counsel if that was you know your your wish I Have a request. I know it's very good having all kinds of things on the website, but I don't I don't operate from the screen I like paper and I I mark them and So what if I find that somehow I first have to find them? Maybe there's five studies are some more important or better than others I mean, I would I would love to get a set of documents of The best plans with some comments sure why don't I pull that together for you? And I think I can I can pick out I'd like you to have you know If you'd like the master plan the open space and recreation plan the housing production plan housing market study If I got you probably five reports You'd be in very good shape and you could mark them up and have them for reference in a folder or binder We can do that. I'm very happy with that. Thank you So with your permission, I was going to move us on to transportation or do you want to talk about? transportation being 19 page 19 Yeah So some of this we've already done January to February of 20 Yeah Transportation advisory Take as listed under the goals section on the left and then not included in the responsible parties and committees and I think that that's where it probably we need to make sure that Tack is appropriately involved I think that it is an important difficult issue. It's one that Two committees that I'm working on Additional to this and spending a lot of time thinking about both the finance committee and the joint capital planning committee We need to make sure that We incorporate all of those committees in together into the process because this is one of those areas where you can't address some of the transportation issues without looking at Budget and capital implications So I would In the timeline Strikes me given all that we're doing is going to be a tough one And that's I sort of have similar comments, so I don't have to repeat them regarding parking and I think that we need to be thinking about that and we need to find out what the Manager's plan is to continue downtown parking working group and if so what our relationship would be with that group Yeah, I Agree, so I think this is a priority, but we have a lot of priorities. I Don't see how we can do it and you know with this timeline Well, I asked at the finance committee yesterday that the finance committee That we have a more integrated schedule or at least one with a room Because we need to add all the finance meetings town council meetings And we have to add the CRC meetings and I've been doing it by pin And it's basically one every day for every day of the week for the next foreseeable future And they all relate to each other And we just need to have a master plan like that So we can make sure that we do the right thing at our committee meeting to be prepared for whatever we're supposed to do in the council meeting So the votes that need to be taken can be taken Hmm any more discussion of transportation other than we think the schedule is Going to be hard to meet and that the tech needs to in the down. Well, the Well, the so though First one we've done check the second one January through May. So we're in May I Would think summer would be the earliest I would move everything back one season, I think Well, wouldn't it kind of depend upon if the downtown parking working group came? Yeah, had a report and came to us and said we want your approval Yeah, and then we would read it and do our best and and that's the next section the is parking Yeah, definitely. So if a if the tack or the downtown Parking working group had specific proposals and do you have your finger on the button? It's like jeopardy just going to point out that the way it's listed and it makes sense Parking is separate from transportation and So we need to make sure That we want to combine them or don't want to combine them, but right now they're separate in the document So that was the first point that I was raising as far as parking is concerned really need to think about that Curious, I was not able to attend the presentation from the Nelson I guard group That were the consultants that worked on the parking. I don't know if any of the rest of you were there it was very interesting and His Conclusion was that there were many parking places or small lots that we don't know about that aren't signed properly and that if and I If their suggestions were implemented implemented there would be a lot more downtown parking But the big thing is somebody who comes in for an evening to go out to dinner and to a movie Who doesn't live here doesn't know our secret places and have to be Shown where they are by sign. That was part one part two was to do with the whole internet world of parking apps and That are the names of places that we have or I don't you I don't work in this this world right here but That they're not they're not using the same language and if they can get the same language Then people who use those apps can get around much easier So it was a very interesting proposal That was kind of positive. He said we did not see a need for building a parking garage at this time Interesting My secret place They also indicated though we could not afford a parking garage because the parking garage Requires Assumed construction cost per space of $40,000 per space. Yeah, that was so shocking Which you know It's higher than the amount that I had previously heard But I've always assumed it to be a high number so this was higher than the last number I had heard I did some additional inquiry as to how much money would need to be generated per space In order to pay for that construction cost with revenue from the parking system itself in the answer that I Got back to the town manager was $257 per month per space which is greater than we now receive for parking space revenue by far and Then you get into an issue that I brought up at the district to meeting which is if we can't Meet those costs With Parking revenue it becomes another capital project that we need to fund in addition to all of the other capital projects we're funding so these are complicated issues that We need to find time to learn about them and We have a lot that is our on our plate and it's a question of When we can get to it And I guess the last thing I'll just point out this is there's a whole history That I can give you because I lived through it of the decisions of the select board made regarding the current Changes were made about a year or two ago to the parking system why they were made and what the goals were This is all Understandable stuff, but it's another bundle. So I had one question about this. So this company whose name I don't remember who gave the presentation Were hired by the town to do this study Would they if were paid more money do any of the implementation that is recommended or would the town have to Do the implementation and do they have the money and do we need to budget it because it sounded like some of it Wasn't going to be too hard and should be done. I think I Have not been as involved in the parking Task force work as some other staff. So I think I'd prefer to invite Jeff Gravitz to join us in the future and talk about that a little bit. I know that one of the identified opportunities that has been Put out there both in the previous study in this one is the abundance of private Parking downtown which probably came up at the forum or at the meeting With Nelson Nygaard who is the consultant. So I think I'd rather have Jeff come in and talk to you about some of the conclusions of this study so I think there are some things that we could implement or some things that we you can you can pay to implement I know there is sensitivity about Consultants and so I think we've been really prioritizing what projects we need them on and what projects we don't so Let's let's save that if we could and have Jeff come in to speak with you at some point It also seems to me. Maybe this is a finance committee issue and parking issue is we need to Reduce the time frame for paying for parking it should end at 6 o'clock I mean, it's clear that it instead of the way bid wanted it to work Which was to move parking spaces? It just makes people not come to town. Yeah, and I think that we really really need to look at that This is part of the complex issue that I was referring to and why I'm not sure that we want to get into a long discussion With five minutes left about it, but in the 32nd version the reason that The proposal was made to change the parking hours in the core spaces that could that are Closest to the restaurants that people go to frequently is that We were finding that restaurant employees and other users were taking parking spaces coming in the 530 and then sitting on the parking spaces until Past 8 o'clock at night and then people coming in wanting to go to dinner We're not being able to find parking Proxima to where they wanted to go and the the recommendation to extend the enforcement to 8 o'clock was in order to Create a turnover of spaces and the men therefore availability of spaces near to restaurants and The So there was a goal and it has served a purpose. It has had a consequence of making people unhappy But as I pointed out to some folks when they've asked that question Would you rather? Not pay for a space that you can never obtain or would you rather be able to pay for a space that you can obtain These are the kinds of issues that I don't think we can solve by 415. I Agree with we can't solve it by 415, but sometimes complex issues have simple solutions and if an employee is parking in front of the restaurant and it costs them 50 cents an hour now or a dollar an hour or Whatever is dollar an hour and they they're still choosing to do that if it's not clear to me ever how much of a Major problem that was but I think we actually are losing people coming to town and using our restaurants and using the theater so And not to get into the parking discussion as we talked about the timetable Yeah, you know what I'm gonna hold off on it. Yeah The other thing I would add on the goals and finance committee Liberally did this the other day and that is they actually Changed the wording on some of the goals. Yeah, so if at some point you want to combine or subsume parking under Transportation feel free to do so so Okay, I will get into this so surface parking is like the worst Land use in a community in which you're trying to encourage walkability and You know, how are we going to describe it the village feeling? So there is no surface parking on the part of Amherst that we everybody loves which is that block You know where Hastings is so there's no surface parking there So surface parking can and should be in fact at all is zoned for a higher for a different kind of a use So for a change of use Into mixed use mixed use housing however you want to put it that creates a demand for Parking assuming that there still will be cars somewhere else. This is incredibly difficult to it's a basically stops So there is no surface parking nor is there structured parking in these 1880s buildings over here. That's the part that we all Love about Amherst. We want to encourage that in the where there is surface parking Then those cars will have to go somewhere So that and I don't I haven't read the study. I would didn't go to the meeting But there's certainly our ideas about Rather than giving a free pass to people who develop Buildings without parking that they pay into a fund that creates parking Well, they can't build the basement parking disappeared in several projects. Yeah. Yeah, like Spring Street. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yep. So that's an issue that that so they shouldn't be pushed out into the neighborhoods But but if we were pushed out into the neighborhoods, but we've lost Exactly So that that is and I don't know how much of the study looks into it So what another one analogy would be if we required everyone who developed in downtown Amherst to provide their own well Or their own septic system Then that we would basically stop development because it's impossible Yeah, yeah, so maybe wrong no so so I think that rather than Pain in the same way that Everyone contributes to You know town Watertown sewer, you know, so that's a utility that if you're a user of it you contributed to that way I think that and I don't know I don't have that particular strategy in mind But that parking is seeing almost like a utility that you have to pay into if you're creating I have a suggestion My husband went to the sustainability fair and picked up little pamphlets Including one that lists public bathrooms in the town of Amherst, which I thought was very handy And I think we just need a little parking map very similar to that after we have done Which was suggested by the parking consultants made arrangements with some of the private parking that is scattered in little spots all around the town already existing and Just you know made some arrangement where they become available to the town and then have a map of it And then people can park in little spots without us having to make any new garages or big surface lots That already exists by the way I'm making a motion that we So I'll put this continued discussion of our goals at the next meeting which will be yeah Thank you all very much