 And with that video started, I start the other video. Okay. Is everyone assembled? Prepared. Here we go. As she does most Mondays, Miss Veronica Belmont, DTNS contributor, host of Sword and Laser, and dear Veronica on Engadget. How's it going, Veronica? Awesome. I have to say, one of my favorite pre-roll ads to date. That was fantastic. Is that right? That was excellent. I would think, with the Rickroll part though, it doesn't come off too dated. But it rolled in so nicely to the theme music. I was just really impressed by the editing skills there. That was very nice. Good execution. Excellent execution. Also joining us today, Kevin Purdy, writer for Wirecutter, The Sweet Home, several other outlets, former life hacker editor where I was a big fan of him and still have a big fan of him. How's it going, Kevin? Very well. Thank you for having me on. I navigated that. I almost said that as if I stopped being a fan of you at some point. Sometimes I'm not a fan myself either, Tom. He's like, now he's all right. I guess whatever. No, I think I've always relied on Kevin's opinions for lots of things and that has never stopped. I mean, and we'll talk about that in our main discussion. You're navigating the horrible world of Android smartwatches and trying to make recommendations for people. That's brave. Thank you. Thank you. It is a wild jungle out there. Yeah. We'll also talk a little bit about toilet scrubbers. But first, let's get into the headlines. Microsoft sent out invites to a media briefing for Tuesday, October 6th at 10 a.m. Eastern in New York, saying it has some exciting news to share about Windows 10 devices. The Verge expects that we will hear about the Surface Pro 4, the Lumia 950 and 950 SL phones, and a new Microsoft Band. I have to be honest. I'm actually a little excited about a new Microsoft Band. I think that's a pretty good product. Yeah. I'm excited about that as well. But I'm hoping we don't see the Surface Pro 4 being a, I don't know, a 65-inch tablet. You know, just bigger and better. The rumor is 14 inches, which is kind of crazy big. That's what she said. Sorry. CNBC quotes an Apple statement on iPhone sales saying the company is on pace to beat last year's 10 million unit first weekend record when the new iPhones go on sale on September 25th. FBR capital markets say backorder times indicate strong sales, especially in the Chinese market, which is what we saw last time as well. Every time there's an iPhone, there's a statement from Apple about how great the sales are. Kevin, is this news? Like, everybody's reporting it, but... It's like financial news, right? Like stockholders, don't worry. Don't start dumping APL, like, I guess. This is Dog Bytes Man. Yeah. If the Apple iPhone didn't sell in record amounts, it would be Man Bytes Dog. It was surprising how many friends of mine were looking really tired on Saturday morning because they did this. Well, on the East Coast, it's like a 3 a.m. Pre-order. So it's remarkable when you see how many people are like, man, it doesn't seem like the economy works that well if you have to do it that way. But, you know, yeah, it's a pretty recurring story at this point. It pretty quickly went to a three to four week shipping amount. I did not pre-order anything. I'm not updating this time around. Not upgrading. Yeah. Next time, maybe. I don't usually upgrade in the S-cycles these days. Google has appointed John Krafchik as CEO of its self-driving vehicle project. Krafchik is a mechanical engineer who's worked at Ford. Hyundai, and most recently, was president of Truecar, an online sales company for cars. CNET reports Sarah Hunter, head of policy for Google X, said last week Google wants to make a few hundred self-driving vehicles from the ground up and is considering developing and selling autonomous vehicles. They still say they don't want to get into manufacturing them in large amounts. But yeah, this could mean that we get a car spin-off under Alphabet at some point, too. Yes. That is exactly what people are saying right now, which makes complete and total sense to me. So I would not be surprised at all if that's announced in the next several months. Nintendo has named former managing director and head of HR, Tatsumi Kimishima, as its new president. Kimishima previously served as CEO of Nintendo of America. The Verge reports Shigeru Miyamoto and Genyo Takeda, who had been running Nintendo and interim roles, have been given new titles as well. Takeda has been named technology fellow and Miyamoto is now creative fellow. And if I remember correctly, Kimishima was also in charge of the Pokemon arm of the company for many years as well. And I believe he was CFO of Nintendo previously, but I don't have that in front of me. Yeah, I think that's right. I know he was in charge of Pokemon, which is kind of a weird... I don't know if it's technically a subsidiary, but he was a major investor and... Yeah, it's a separate... It's kind of a separate entity. Yeah, but this is someone who is very good at the business side of things, at the books side of things and is very well trusted, has had a good career at Nintendo, but very different than Satoru Iwata, who was an engineer. And it looks like what they're trying to do is say, Miyamoto will handle the heart of the gamer. The creative vision, yes. And Takeda will handle the engineering side and hopefully they'll be a triforce. All three of them. Did Miyamoto have an official title beyond in-house genius like before this? Do you know what he was before he... I don't remember what his actual title was, and then he was an interim head of Nintendo in this previous interim. But it's good now that they have some stability and can move forward on this, and Nintendo has been struggling in many ways in recent years, so hopefully someone with an eye for the financials will be a boon to the company overall. Yeah, let me see if I can figure out Miyamoto's previous title. He was a president. They had multiple presidents, essentially. It was his most previous title. But yeah, they've kind of given him lots of honorary titles throughout and the most recently was a senior executive and he became a co-president there temporarily. APB, I'm sorry, ABP Live reports that Google will bring free high-speed Wi-Fi access to almost 400 railway stations in India. Google's partnering with Indian Railways on the project, which will give users free internet, full speed for 34 minutes, and then they reduce your speed after the first 34 minutes. First phase of the project should be live in four months. That's awesome. I'm jealous. Yeah. Well, I'm jealous that they have railway first of all. Yeah, that too. That's pretty great. And I'm fascinated by that time limit. I wonder where they got 34 minutes. Is that a popular stretch of time between major stations or is it just arbitrary or why 34? Why not 30? Why not 45? Thoughtful. It's four minutes of work and 30 minutes at YouTube which describes most of our days. There's some kind of research went into it. Yeah, exactly. SP Sheridan Hobbit from PA submitted stories about DARPA's successful project that enabled a paralyzed patient to feel pressure on fingers of a static hand. Signals were routed from torque sensors in the prosthesis to electrodes attached to the volunteer sensory cortex. The prosthesis used in the experiment was created by the applied physics lab at John Hopkins University. DARPA reports nearly 100% accuracy in initial tests. The results have yet to be peer reviewed and published, however. The best part of the story is the test subject, they were touching fingers and asking him to say which finger they had touched, and then they touched two fingers at once, and he immediately was like, are you trying to trick me? That's two fingers at once. And they were like, why? He could tell both fingers. Great success. That is so cool. Just the ability to be able to tell what your prosthetic finger is doing directly. I don't know if I can imagine how important that would be. I've used those external hand grips to do things, and it's really clunky. Imagine if that was your hand, and then suddenly you could use that and actually feel it. There's an interview in the popular mechanics, I think, with an actress in the Hunger Games who is like, she's a... I don't have the correct term, I'm sorry, but she's missing an arm, and she has a prosthetic, it's a really high-tech advanced one, and she specifically said that one of the trickiest things about her arm is that when you go to grab a can, you first grab it really lightly, and then you grab it a little bit harder, because you don't feel anything back. You know how to press harder, but you don't have any sense of is the can crushing, is the can, whatever. That sounds like that's probably the next big challenge for prosthetics. It's really cool to see this stuff. Intel announced the launch of the Automatic Security Review Board to improve security systems on cars. Members of the board will perform ongoing security tests and audits in the effort to create best practice recommendations and design suggestions. The board will consist of top security talent and be provided with Intel's advanced development platform for research, and they've already published the first version of an automotive cybersecurity best practices document. They say they will continue to revise. That obviously makes a ton of sense because of all the security issues we've been seeing in systems of pretty typical cars. Not even things like self-driving cars or heavily electric and computer-driven cars. I mean, this is just your average car has all sorts of security flaws now because of the way that we connect all the systems together. So I'm glad that something like this is being put into effect. I think it's maybe a little late, but still welcome. I mean, you could say it's self-serving, and it is for Intel to do it this way with the idea of saying, hey, we will harden the security on Intel products, and then you'll more likely want to put Intel products in your cars when you build your car systems. But any effort at this point is better than the limited and failing efforts that we've seen up till now as these things become more common. You need to have more people poking holes in them, so I'm very much for this. Absolutely. The deputy head of Russia's Federal Anti-Monopoly Service said today that Google is abusing its dominant position in the market for pre-installed app stores, and within 10 days, Russia will send an official order for Google to terminate such abuse. Search engines Yandex filed the complaint based on the fact that Google authorized versions of Android require Google to be set as a default search engine. TechCrunch reports Yandex has 60% of the Russian search market while Android is on 86% of all smartphones sold in Russia. This is a tricky one, too. And in some ways is similar to the debate in Europe. I'm not sure how much it will impact the debate in Europe because it's Russia and it's a whole different set of rules, but the idea is not that you can get a version of Android without Google. The idea is that the version of Android that Google sells is 86% dominant and so once you're that dominant, that's when you start to point at things and say, well, now you're abusing your market power because the rules change and you have market dominance that high, I guess is what I'm saying. That has been Google's dominant defense to all kind of antitrust accusations is there's always an alternative, like for everything we make there's always a very close second hand competitor. In this case, I guess it would be Android phones without the Google. Or couldn't it just go so far as to say Android phones with the option to choose a different search engine on setup? Well, and then you get into what Microsoft had to do with browsers, right? In Europe, they had to sell a version that made you choose a browser at the beginning so you weren't forced into the IE and that could very well be what Google ends up having to do with Android here. Matt Blackcube sent us the PC Mag report that TomTom has launched a new system called RoadDNA to allow makers of self-driving cars to integrate accurate location information into onboard systems. RoadDNA captures real-time lateral and longitudinal views of the road and helps inform the vehicle where it is on the road, even at high speeds. RoadDNA is designed to be conscious of vehicle data storage and processing limitations as well. Essentially, TomTom tried not to get left behind saying, hey, we're really good at maps. You probably need maps, right, for yourself and other cars? You gotta need maps. You need maps and we have them. Cars need to know where they are. We have them. Maps. We're really good at maps. And to be serious, like knowing where the car is exactly on the road is a tough thing to solve. You can know generally where it is on the map, but knowing where it is on the road if they can really pinpoint that could be very helpful. Please don't use ways. We're TomTom. Please use us. PC Mag reports on Xerox Park's proof of concept ship made of Corning's Gorilla Glass. Why made of glass? So it can self-destruct. It was developed as part of DARPA's Vanishing Programmable Resources Project. The chip is meant to hold something valuable like an encryption key. If the chip falls into the wrong hands, a laser or radio signal causes a resistor to heat up. Within 10 seconds, the glass shatters into a thousand pieces destroying the data. Just to get smart. My favorite part of this story is that it was a self-destroying chip that wasn't like what it really does is just overwrites the data 15 times. I've read that story a million times. This is one where it actually breaks itself into thousands of pieces. What I love is that, especially with Gorilla Glass, which is supposed to be some of the hardest glass that we use for electronics and devices, and then they're like, we're using this so we can shatter the hell out of it. Like what? Cool. You just take it to a bar at 1.30 in the morning and it's all a cab. And then it just shatters. It's on the curb, it's gone. All the data is safe. That's what's really happening in that resistor. It's a virtual bar that it walks out of. Exactly. This is fascinating. I know it doesn't actually explode either, but I kind of wish it did. Well, I think I like to let's just think of it that way. It's better for their marketing. I think it's a good idea to submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. That is how we get these stories like exploding Corning Gorilla Glass or Tom Tom launching a new system called RodeDNA. The more you vote, the better the show gets. Go there, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Okay. So as I mentioned at the top of the show, Kevin Purdy braves the waters of Android Wear. You don't have to go to Wirecutter. Your best watch listed is the Pebble Steel. You've done 40 hours of research and wearing, comparing nine Android-compatible smartwatches. But you're saying hold on, wait. There's been a software update to Pebble Steel and especially with the EFA conference recently a whole slew of new Android watches. How do you make sense of this landscape? Well, that is why the guide isn't weight status right now because we are waiting to make sense of it in a way. It's it's been really hard because I've been feeling like the Pebble and discussing with my editors and trying to figure it out. It feels like the Pebble has been for a long time the best option for people who want a watch that is affordable, lasts all day on battery and to a certain extent looks okay especially that last part. I don't think the Pebble Steel is better looking than a nicely designed watch but I think that for a while it was kind of the one that had a certain design to it and if you like that design that kind of like chunky, very male look to it then it was great. A big section of the piece talks about how bad all these watches look on female wrists. That's my wife's wrist somewhere down the page holding a giant Modo 360 or something. So at EFA, I didn't know we pronounced it that way, there were four new watches and they all kind of hit on the things that I thought were wrong with Android Wear or problematic. The look, the price a lot of them are all round, completely round without what they call the flat tire on the 360 and so I think at this point it would be kind of that you shouldn't buy any watch. You should wait for some people to wear a 360 for a bit to wear a Huawei watch an Asus N Watch 2 or even Samsung, I say even a lot of people are impressed with Samsung's Gear Watch which is not even running Android, it's running Tizen. We don't have time in the show to describe Tizen but it's a kind of it's kind of mostly a Samsung propped up version of Linux that they've been using for wearable stuff and people have been saying that even that watch looks impressive so it's a really confusing space right now and I'm slowly getting a chance to try out some of these watches and see how they work and I really do think that it's going to be a different pick probably the next time we update it I think just based on looking how many new things are out there and how they seem to really learn from I guess you'd say the second wave of watches now we're onto the third. So what do you think and not to to gender fight but I guess for people who are looking for smaller watches or who have smaller wrists, what are some of your recommendations for that area? Okay so the 360 that's coming out I think you can pre-order it now it should be arriving probably by the end of September for most people buy it that has a 42mm version and a 46mm version That's still pretty large Yeah the larger Apple Watch is 42mm I'm so fun at cocktail parties the larger Apple Watch is kind of small relative to other watches like Android Wear you can't see it on the audio version but this thing is a hockey puck If you fly on planes you see dudes wearing hockey pucks all the time and they're not smart watches they're just giant ostentatious finance job watches The chronograph things where they've got 16 different dials on there Yeah exactly and so the Asus then watch the Gear S2, the Gear 2 or whatever it is and the Moto 360 all have very specifically smaller versions I think the Gear and the Asus are even smaller than the Moto 360 They're definitely focusing on look size and style but again it's going to be a while until we pick one or say anything because you want to see how it lasts I mean we're still kind of dealing with size against battery limitations even at this advanced stage Now the Apple has been considered a top watch in all of these different categories especially battery life but it's never been the prettiest in the top in any particular category it's just been the best across the board and it sounds like you're saying this time maybe it's time, pebble time steal may not come out on top how hard is it for a company like that to compete when you've got these huge heavyweights like Samsung and Apple and all these other watchmakers weighing in They are very specifically staking out a position saying that they don't want to be the everything watch they don't want to well they do have some capability of doing it but they're not a fitness slash back and forth messaging everything that the Apple Watch reports to do the pebble company in general says we show you notifications you can control your music the end is that what you want? Do you want to be able to be able to add a party at work look at your wrist and say okay I need to go home I need to be walked that's fine that's what our watch does I think they're definitely trying to pick out a position somewhere way below the Apple Watch and even Android Wear in terms of what they're trying to do so they can succeed and they have succeeded on that in some ways because their watches have been fast, super long battery life and just they do do what they say they do on the tin as they say but right now I think that with the new way the watch is coming out the watch is different competition well that's one of the things I picked up from your article where you say look if you want a fitness tracker you should get a fitness tracker because even though some of these watches do fitness tracking they don't do it nearly as well and I wonder if that's a really smart way for pebble to approach this to say we're not a fitness tracker we're this kind of watch because one of the reasons I'm attracted to the Microsoft Band is that it tells the time which is great and it does fitness tracking I'm not saying it does it the best but it does it very well and I'm curious to compare it to other fitness trackers out there because that's what I would use a wearable for mostly is fitness tracking I don't really care about the other stuff Yeah because you feel like you want to limit or at least reduce the number of gadgets that we have to have on a set at any given moment and I'm currently wearing an Apple Watch and also a Fitbit and while I like the Fitbit ecosystem better in terms of tracking information for fitness I would someday like to pair that down to one device and have a really great Fitbit app on my Apple Watch which I know is not really in their best interest right now unless they're you know that would be a money losing proposition for Fitbit which is a publicly traded company is obviously not ideal for them but so it's yeah it's hard because we have to kind of make these these choices about how many devices are we willing to wear and if pebble is kind of in the mindset of oh we're just going to be a good watch well maybe I don't want that to be my watch when I'm trying to cover as many bases as possible at this point sure fair point and you know I think that the all of the companies have kind of latched on to the same marketing for their smart watches which is this is the thing that helps you keep your phone in your pocket this is this is a technology reducer this actually prevents you from getting lost inside Facebook tabs when you just meant to you know look at the weather or whatever but to your point yeah I mean they're all of them try to stake out a lot of different territories fitness notifications whether you know stocks even I think the Apple Watch has a stocks app doesn't it yeah that's a life I can't imagine living but yeah I think that at some point you have to decide like do you want a multi-purpose watch that does replace all these other things but I think most people at your point where like if you start running a lot you're going to get running gear like a dedicated GPS watch and you're using from fitness tracking like Tom said you're probably going to end up with a fitness tracker so even at this stage with our guide I still find myself there's a section like who is this for and I feel like I just sit back and look at the monitor for like 10 minutes like yeah good question yeah well it sounds like the answer is it depends on who you are like if you want it for running this is the watch or this is the wearable if you want it for fitness this is the one if you want it for notifications like what people do you should go with this one but there's not one answer that just covers everyone as well as maybe a wood with a phone or something I still think you're an early adopter at this point a third wave early adopter if you get an android wear watch or even an apple watch but I feel like this is the chance for android this wave of coming watches is the chance for android wear and Samsung to a certain extent to prove at least we can make it look okay at least you're out there on the fringe and people on the subway don't know you're on the fringe or without really looking it's a chance to kind of see if they can make them at least more normal and maybe normalize the things you want to use it for before we move on I know you we mentioned that you're working on the wire cutter stuff you're also working on the sweet home stuff which has some some smart items in there and people should go look at it because there's some smart home stuff involved in the sweet home but you also sent me earlier today your best toilet brush roundup I have to say I am much respect for someone who has put in as much effort in testing products as the wire cutter and sweet home do on that particular product I have to know which is the crappiest I award you no points it all depends on the user Veronica well it's the one you spend the most money on because you're supposed to replace them more often than anybody else does is the really short cliff notes version we try to approach everything with the idea that a lot of it is going to be testing all the things that are out there and testing what people are asking about but then I think a lot of times at the sweet home and at the wire cutter we end up kind of writing a guy that's also like about how you're supposed to use it about we ask experts and a lot of times you ask experts about a category and they'll end up saying yeah people just buy these things and they break like with the cutting boards article I wrote I had talked to all these wood engineers and folks who work in woodworking science and they just kind of all you ask a bunch of people whose entire life is woodworking and wood and they're like people should buy plastic boards people should buy sheet plastic boards beat them to hack and then just get like you can throw in the washing machine I get plastic cutting surfaces that I put over my wooden board so I've got a nice wooden feel underneath but I'm not cutting on the wood oh man you're on the you're an early adopter cutting board technology or things like that like getting a rubber polyethylene mat and just throwing it over your wooden board because wooden boards require a little bit of more care than most people know so with toilet brushes we just tried to ask a lot of people especially germ and you know cleanliness people like what you're looking for and the thing is you're not looking for you're not obsessively looking at bristles and scrubbing it turned out that what you're looking for is something that is the easiest to clean because you should clean out and replace and you should clean your toilet brush holder where you put it back when you're done you should dry it out and you should also replace the brush itself more often than you do that seems like a lot of work and this is the kind of that you're going to get from the tech stuff at the Wire Cutter and even from things like luggage I bought a suitcase recently Briggs and Riley based My luggage is also the Wire Cutter pick I can't, I mean I say this time and time again and I don't buy a thing unless I've at least looked it up on Wire Cutter or Sweet Home to see if it's a product category there and I don't necessarily always buy the top pick but I usually buy something that's recommended based on price and how much I really need the best thing or whatever my criteria are for picking a product but I've never haven't gotten a bad one yet so keep doing what you guys are doing. Meanwhile we will make our small effort on Daily Tech News Show to share picks from our audience which are just good at spreading around information. Harrison from Flower Mound, Texas wanted to lighten his load while traveling and picked up a thumb drive sized router from ASUS called 330NUL he says the key features are its size, power via USB and also it can receive Wi-Fi and broadcast your private network I wouldn't expect to secure on it to be amazing the admin password is printed on the device after all but it meets the bar for me on just creating a private network when traveling to piggyback off the hotel, office or plane he said yeah I did test it with GoGo InFlight to create a guest network if needed and very limited configuration so easy to walk the wife through setup now some people don't like the limited configuration I was looking at the Amazon reviews other people don't like the range of it they say it's good enough for a hotel room but if you want it to be broader like in a house it's not going to work but I think for what Harrison is talking about a lot of people have had similar situations where you pay for one connection and then you can share it amongst a phone a tablet and a laptop without having to pay extra for each device fascinating yeah it's an interesting pick thank you Harrison the ASUSWL330NUL send your picks to us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash pics some news out of Australia failed access memory notes that communication minister Malcolm Turnbull surname pronounced as one word he says challenged the Prime Minister Tony Abbott and won so Turnbull is now the new member of Australia we are so thrilled says failed access memory Turnbull had the national broadband network over budget and late but because it's the Liberals and not the Labour Party it's fine no word yet if the front bench will be made up of former Telstra board members or if they're staying on the national broadband networking board I guess they could do both right yes that's Australian sarcasm in the paragraph so if anybody has followed the national broadband network story over the years from Australia I've reported on it several times someone instrumental to that is now the head of Australia your mileage may vary in what you think of that we had great response to our discussion of emotion recognition on Friday's show Jason suggested it could be used to diagnose emotional affect disorders and Christian Cantrell suggested it could help people with conditions like Asperger's writing I do think having access to a program that helps teach them how to project intended emotion to interpret others emotion could help make their lives easier Tyler who's a former therapist agrees saying people may be more comfortable talking with a computer avatar or to a faceless virtual psychotherapist who exists in the cloud and if those can at least flag a patient for follow up from a human much mental illness could be preempted before it becomes acute Paul thought that we should imagine deploying this technology at government buildings and transportation hubs to identify specific emotions such as nervousness apprehension excessive seriousness Jason thought the same could be useful at ATMs if someone looks like they're being forced to withdraw money and then Mike wrote in and says he has a form of facial paralysis called Mobius syndrome which prevents him from making facial expressions and in relation to tracking wrote when do you think we'll see a surge in popularity of Botox injections so people can make their face expressionless to avoid being tracked wow that's some interesting ideas there huh that's fascinating from the helpful to the controversial to the encouraging Botox wow go ahead I was going to say we'll be hiring shadow runners who have gotten this Botox injection and then you'll send them to return things to target after your third no receipt return and then they'll walk in and say it is no longer functioning properly I wish to return it and they'll be like yes you seem on the level sir and I'll be in the car I'll be in the car and be like oh man good thing I hired this guy it's a fascinating technology and as we mentioned on Friday it's going to be used for advertising first of all to find out how you're reacting to advertisements but I loved all of the responses we got from people saying yeah but it could also be used for this could be helpful with this it's fantastic stuff well that is it for this episode of the Daily Tech News Show thank you Kevin Purdy we waxed pretty eloquently about the wire cutter and sweet home already but you have been working on a project about USB microphones that I know you were asking me a couple questions about I know you've asked Veronica about so that's coming up when can people expect that boy that's a good question I didn't mean to put you on the spot I was just trying to tease it no my editor is on vacation this week so good question pretty fairly soon I would never promise a date but yeah fairly soon we've kind of wrapped up the testing and the interviews and stuff like that so I'm using one of them right now that shall remain nameless video feed can figure out which one it is probably but yeah pretty soon look for USB microphones and then the android smartwatch as mentioned earlier is constantly under revision so I would expect to see after we get this first wave in probably an update in early October so check back on the website and follow Kevin on twitter twitter.com anything else to mention no that's it my whole life is toilet brushes and watches right now like a 1930s salesman it could be worse Veronica Belmont what's up with you before we go let's see we just had a recent episode of Dear Veronica come up in which the gentleman from my brother my brother and me answered some questions about how to deal with meeting famous people in real life they took it into a hilarious extremes and we also covered why we can't find more NFC payment terminals around the city especially in some place like San Francisco so yeah you can check for new episodes every Wednesday over on Engadget at Engadget.com slash Dear-Veronica huge thanks to all the people who support the show whether it be through Patreon PayPal or the dailytechnewshow.com slash store store we we survived because you want us to this the show exists because of you so thank you if you can't support the show directly just tell somebody about the show I've been noticing people doing that and it's really helpful dailytechnewshow.com slash support our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can give us call 51259 daily listen to the show live Monday through Friday at engadgetradio.com and visit our website dailytechnewshow.com we'll be back tomorrow with Patrick Beja this show is part of the Frog Pants Network get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this program good show I have titles I know I was waiting for you I knew you were choking so I thought I would wait to be asked before I told you about the titles he's choking oh this is so good excuse you Kimishima that's great why is nobody talking is Tom dead I'll be okay okay don't die Tom went this whole thing without coughing and then saved it all up and had one big cough and then choked now you know the more you know you were trying not to cough that entire show no no it was only at the end oh okay well you made it good job only when I got to the email address and then I was like ahhhh blah blah blah so other titles although that one is pretty awesome is let the chips self destruct when they may that's how the computer chip crumbles um do android stream of smartwatch sheep sheep I think the choice here is clear I choose you I choose you lauromans title yep yep you ever have one of those days where you really think things should be simpler and yet printing something takes up your whole day are you printing something takes up a whole day you have to do one thing and send one thing to one person but printing it off a new printer that you haven't used before has become some sort of like horrifying act of I don't even know what okay well I will say and this is not a knock and I know that we're still live but we did buy I believe the wire cutter printer and it has been a god darn nightmare to set up on our set up on our home network so oh no I think that guy makes it pretty clear that it is like saying this is the best rabies injection you can get you know like it's never gonna be like it's never gonna be as fun as opening like that getting that neoprene smell from like a new phone it's you're still buying a device that sprays fluids under paper so you know what's rotten inkjet cartridges you know what's extra rotten printer drivers you know what makes it worse networking it's just the perfect storm of awful and if I was able to fill this out really successfully via you know computer fill out that would be fine but I ran into trouble filling out numbers in the right boxes so that didn't I know it's just so it's just like you just want to fill out one form send it off can't do it added to Tom's list also is wonderful PDFs PDFs built by third-party companies with interactive fill-in forms those are wonderful too everyone's different everybody go to one convention center at the date specified and fix it perfect thank you for having me I'm gonna get back to you thank you Kevin and the next time I'm on I'm going to have a rug and be facing a different direction so there's not a big lake Wizard of Oz window behind me no problem that'll be exciting thank you so much and if you have like when the USB mic thing is up or if you have another project of any kind if you're writing a book or anything just let us know yeah your readers have really great picks man I did not know that category existed what the little mini I didn't know about that thing either the little mini travel router yeah I had no idea my travel experience is just having two battery backups for my phone at all times and just using my phone as like a modem and not doing that well at it alright thanks so much guys alright cheers that was a good show yeah I got as far as configuring the device and yes that was a good show configuring device configuring the show device I just want to print four pages no configuring the looking for printer guys this could happen so it's so close you're almost there and I guess all it is is go home and printed it home but then that's like a whole day oh cassette tray is not installed correctly that means they're talking at least it knows that right I can fix that problem I'll be right back what there's someone coming down my stairs Brian brushwood what not again why is he still here what live at your house now he just lives here don't you have a home no this is my home I live here now hey it's the Mad Texan the Mad Texan the Mad Texan oh that's right the Mad Texan does anybody need a printer by the way I have an old printer I'm trying to offload I need you to go throw it in the garbage go office used printer that's a hot category how about a used 46 inch TV television well that actually is useful somebody take that nobody on next door wanted it so I guess I have to put it on my rig list which means that's going to be a nightmare hmm do you expect to get a little money for it if not that's when I take it out of the closet it was like I guess I take it to the Jewish women's center because that's the closest place I just really want someone to come take it away from me task rabbit well they'll pick it up yeah that's what I do with all my old tech it's not even worth putting it up it's just easier because they have a whole entire program to help people to train people on recycling and electronic material as well and you know whatever they sell they get they put back into their programs yeah right you get the tax deduction yeah you get to write whatever it's worth $1,000 okay this 46 inch LCD I spent $4,000 on it in 1992 donate stuff you get a baby oh is that where you got it that's where babies come from wow brushwood must have donated a lot of things so he just keeps getting rid of stuff he's really a one in one out kind of guy he's like what did I do Roger was saying that when you donate enough things to goodwill they give you a baby that's where babies come from I want to update I have successfully printed four pages which I will now fill out one page of and scan four pages back into the computer oh boy why do you have to scan it back in wasn't a pdf or nothing it was a pdf that I couldn't fill out the right boxes with numbers in them that's why I used my I can just draw on top of it Wacken your Wacken hold on I know that's very nice sounds like a personal problem I use an ipad 12 for that or whatever ipad bro an ipad bro ipad bro it's just like you get it out in your ear ipad bro alright look at that that show is published that's a published show you guys and I didn't die good job why would you die I have coughing good so on that up note of not dying foundation powder should I buy just go to mac stay tuned tomorrow to find out which foundation powder I had an answer I dropped my contact I don't want to go to mac will she go to mac what about not mac what about um spoilers there's that new company that I really like what's the new company jenny likes tomorrow