 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump. Mind pump, coming in hot. For the first 48 minutes, we were a little aggressive. I think there was like a rant that we all just felt we had to do there for a minute. Really, I didn't think that. We talked about victimhood, toughness, resiliency, and growth. We talked about, what are those things called? Trigger warnings. A study came out showing that trigger warnings actually make things worse, duh. Adam was calling everybody snowflakes. Yeah. Did you know snowflakes is like a disparaging term now they use for just the liberals? No. Yeah. No, it just means. I know what you mean by it. Yeah, it just means somebody who's delicate. Like too delicate. Yeah, so delicate that you'd melt away or get fucking destroyed. Now it means like so. But I know exactly what you mean. So for people listening, that's what he means. Really? He doesn't mean liberals. He means delicate people. Yeah. How can they just, some people will think that. You can't just take an adjective and just define what it is. Isn't that funny how that happens? Yeah, every time. Yeah, people do that. Pretty funny. We talked about a better argument for veganism. So we touched a lot of third rails in that first 48 minutes. And then we get into fitness. We talk about, stay with us. We talk about Adam's shoulder pain. He hurt himself again. It's trying to keep up with. Easy. I didn't hurt myself. It's just some nagging shit going on. He's trying to keep up with Justin and he's having a tough time keeping up with Justin. It's a tough deal. Fighting for a second. Yeah. We talked about pain, mobility, a person's strength capacity. That was a fascinating part of this episode. Then we talked about our new back pain guide at mindpumpfree.com. If you have back pain, go check out that free guide. 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You're pissing off students, is that what's going on? Well, you know what it is, dude? It's when you make a joke that's got a little bit of truth in it, that's when- That's when it stings. It's moments like this where I feel like we're all the same person. Because it's weird, it's- I feel I'm angst right now. Maybe that's what it is, like we're all just wanting to remind people that we're an entertainment comedy first and then second, we're fitness and education and information, and you know, the other day, and I know it when I do it too, so it's so active, it's like, I think there's part of me that likes to test that every once in a while just to see how many snowflakes we have listening to us, you know? So I'll say, I know I used the R word the other day, and I can count on one hand in fuckin' 850 episodes how many times I've used it, and I thought that the use of it was, I think I called myself it or Justin, I don't even remember how the fuckin'- Someone got mad? Probably me. Just one. You know, which makes me feel good the size that we're at now and to only get one person who says that, and it was somebody who was new coming on listening out, but I mean, I take the time to explain, and I said, hey, you know, I apologize that, you know, our crude language sometimes can be offensive. I said, it's not meant that I have, I have people in my family that have that. I also have people close to me that have Down syndrome. So I have a, it's not a disrespectful thing. I said, it's entertainment, and you know, some people can't handle language like that. I totally respect that, I understand that. There's tons of health and fitness podcasts out there that sound like Mr. Rogers when you fuckin' listen to them. I said, you know, you can buy any means you could go to, but we're entertainment, that was our angle when we came into this is we were going to entertain first, educate second. Well, I think if you're coming from a place of integrity and you're being, you know, and you have good intentions, here's the way I look at it. If I have good intentions and I'm coming from a place of integrity and I genuinely am meaning to entertain or I'm genuinely trying to entertain and give you my opinion, which is what I do often. So sometimes I'll entertain, but also give you a serious opinion. And people get angry, I'm comfortable with that because it's me. What I would be uncomfortable with is being misrepresented, right? Like if people get angry with me and say, you know, this or that, and I'm like, no, no, no, that's not me, that's when I have a problem. But if someone comes to me like what I just did, right? Like I just, I posted, there's this girl holding this like poster board in front of her face. And it's one of those I am the 99% you know, things that they do, right? And her thing says, I'm 25 years old with a fine arts degree, no job, no insurance, on food stamps, and $20,000 in college debt, I am the 99%. And so then I wrote above it, the steps that she went through. Go to college, accumulate debt, pick a stupid major, graduate with a useless degree, play victim and blame society. And it's, it's funny. It's funny. But of course you offended everybody. Everybody who has that degree. Well, it's a funny, it's funny, right? It's entertaining, it's hilarious. It's also some truth there. You know, I hate to break it to you. And so somebody got angry and they're like, well, you know, so this lady texted me. Try it really hard. No, she's like, that's not a useless degree. I have a fine arts degree and I own a successful business. And I was like, you don't see the irony in what you just said. You're a business owner. You're an entrepreneur, that's very different. You can do anything. And you're also not taking the victim role. And you're not taking the victim role. Right, that's the real message is that it's the, I feel sorry for me because I'm in this situation. Yeah, and I tried to make the point like, look, you gotta do, there's a bit of a cost analysis. There's a cost, how much it costs to get your education versus what the potential benefits are gonna come from, right? And so the problem is, and I know what the problem is, for a long time now we've been fed the line that all education and all degrees are worth whatever they cost. That's been the message. It's totally worth it. Go get a loan for $100,000. You have to have a degree. Wrong, $100,000 liberal arts degree or fine arts degree or degree in poetry or whatever. As passionate as you may be about those subjects, spending tens of thousands or $100,000 on an education for that, it's not a smart decision. There's just the return is terrible. If you do the math, you look at all the people with those degrees, you look at how many of them actually stayed in the field that they studied because don't look at the ones that have that degree and then do something else. Look at the ones that actually use that degree, look at their return, how many of them got jobs and how many made money and you'll see, whoa, that's a shitty, that's a shitty- Even aside from all those details, I feel like everybody has challenges. It's the victim role that bothers me the most out of all that. It's like, fuck the degree part of it, fuck the debt part of it. It's the, you know, feel sorry, like feeling to get ourselves out of this. I just did a quote, was it a day or two ago that life is not a matter of holding good cards but of playing a poor hand well. To me, that's what life really is because everybody is at a disadvantage. Everybody has something that makes it challenging or hard. It doesn't matter. Even the most people that start off with the most amount of money, there's challenges to that. You know why? Because your whole life, if you grow up, I've watched this happen. Like, that's why I'm grateful for all the shit that I went through because it forced me to evolve, grow up and learn the hard way maybe early on but it's definitely benefited me as I've gotten older because then I see some of my peers who had everything. They had all the opportunity. They would be called what we would say, quote, unquote, white privileged people but then I see how much they struggle in life. You know why? Because everything was handed to them growing up so when they hit the real fucking world, they don't know what to do. They didn't have the right training. I had fucking boot camp training since I was a kid that turned me into tough as nails when I hit the real world that doesn't scare, nothing scares me. I think the problem, part of the problem is people view, when you say stuff like that, which is 100% accurate, 100% accurate, you know, here's the bottom line. You do not know an individual and their life and their challenges. They could look on the outside like they have everything going for them. Yeah. But they could have mental issues, health issues. They could have bad parents. They could have whatever, you just don't know. But I think what people, the problem is people misconstrue that as a lack of empathy. It's not a lack of empathy. It's actually, you can be very empathetic. Look, it's like my kids, okay? Let's say one of my children had a major accident or something terrible happen or a huge challenge. I'm gonna be very empathetic towards them. I'm gonna love them and I'm gonna feel bad and I don't want them to hurt and I don't want them to be in this situation. But if I really want them to do well, I'm gonna sit down with them and say, look, you know, son or daughter, this terrible things happen to you and it's horrible and I feel for you. However, what you choose to do with this is gonna dictate how the rest of your life goes. You can choose to use this or you can choose to have this just dominate you and destroy you. And that's the key. And so that's kind of what we're saying. And so I have empathy towards people with lots of real challenges that they can't control. Things that happen to them. What I don't have empathy for is when people use the victim role in order to dominate others, to use tyranny against others or... It's the new bully. It's a way to bully people or just to be able to sit back and be like, yeah, it's my excuse. You know, this is my excuse for not... Here's the wonderful thing about free societies. If you don't have any value to the market, if you're not working, if you're not contributing, you are literally not contributing to society. That's really what it is. And everybody wants everybody to work together. Everybody says we all need to work together. And I agree, we do. But if you're sitting at home and you're not doing shit and you're not contributing, you are a drag. And so you need to figure out a way to contribute, to help, to work and to build yourself confidence and to do all these things. And again, I have empathy for people in challenging situations. But I've seen firsthand people in some of the most challenging situations you could ever imagine use those situations and become, I mean, just become, you know, what's the word, role models for the rest of us. Some of the most successful people you could ever think about. And, you know, Adam uses himself as an example for all intents and purposes. Boy, you had about a million and one reasons that you could have sat back and be like, you know, poor me, I deserve better. Well, everybody, you know, gets handed a deck of cards that, you know, they just don't have any control over that, you know, whatever that looks like for every individual. And, you know, of course, like, we all have this empathy towards people that are in this tough situation. I mean, that's just a natural human instinct is to wanna be able to help, you know, your neighbor or help somebody out of trouble. But it inevitably, it amounts to how that person is able to, you know, internalize this and really try to improve themself. Like, if they're not gonna take ownership of that process and try and help themself, you can only do so much as an outside person trying to lift somebody up. It's just, it's dead, it's dead weight. Like, it's not gonna go anywhere. Listen, life without fucking obstacles would be boring as shit. Well, there would be no growth. There would be no growth, okay? And it would be boring as shit. Think about that. Think about if everything you did just, it happened easy for you and it went your way and it was never challenging, how lame would life be? We would all stay the same. And here's the other thing too, look, if it was just a matter of giving people more of basic necessities, giving people more money, more prosperity, we would not see the explosion of depression, anxiety, and suicides that we're currently seeing. I mean, it's a fact that today we live in the most prosperous times in all of human history. All of human history, right? The 20th and 21st century, 20th century saw just this explosion of prosperity. Because we're not worried about getting attacked by the lions, we can stress about bullshit, about not getting paid more money or the stuff like that. I think people just, I think we get what we want and then we realize it's not, you know, what's gonna give. Well, we react before we really like think about it. You know, like it's a lot of times is this knee jerk reaction of like, here's how I'm supposed to feel. And it's like, really, do you really feel that way? Or is this just like a quick reaction? I'll take it all the way back to something simple because I think when we talk about life, it's complicated and then people will debate all these different scenarios and we get lost in the weeds. I like to use fitness as an example because fitness is quite black and white, okay? So let's say you're a trainer or you're a gym owner or you're just a fitness enthusiast and if you're listening to this podcast, the odds are you're probably one of those things, right? And somebody comes to you and goes, ah, you know, I grew up, all we ever ate was boxed packaged food. All I had was potato chips for dinner. You know, this is just the way I grew up. It was terrible. That's all I know how to eat. I don't have access to a gym and I'm 100 pounds overweight and there's nothing that can be done. Now a fitness enthusiast would be like, no, there's a lot you can do. There's a lot, start walking. Let's start walking. Let's start watching what you're eating. The person just says, no, man, like everybody's against me. Society's against me. Processed food is everywhere. It tastes really good. You know, engineers make the food to taste good. And my job is- I'm destined to fail. My job is sedentary. Like, no, everything's designed for me to be overweight and that's just the world we live in. And you're saying, no, there's things you can do and they don't want to do it because they want to be sad and play the victim role. Now that's quite easy for us to see the folly in that. It's really easy for us to look at them and be like, well, expand that. And some of the reasons why I love fitness so much is I would take people, especially kids. I used to love training kids because I would take kids and they would learn this lesson through fitness. I wouldn't even have to say anything. They'd come in, they'd work hard. They'd get stronger. Next thing you know, their schoolwork is getting better. Next thing you know, they want to get a job. Next thing you know, they're more responsible around the house. Why? Because they've learned this lesson that, oh, if I work and there's things that I can control and things I can't, I'm gonna focus on things I can. Here's what I can do. And I've trained, listen, I've trained. Well, it's the most important kind of work because you're working on yourself. And I think that we totally get away from that but just by showing up to school, by showing up to your job, by doing all these things like outside of yourself, like where you're not really paying attention to how you interact, how you think and how you build yourself up and improve every day. Yeah, I've... Do you think we're getting worse or do you think we're getting better? Do you think like... I think the victimhood mentality is growing because... It's hitting its peak right now. Because we're more prosperous. So, because we just, you can. You can sit back and do that. I love it when people use their, for example, it's not a secret that I'm pro freedom and pro free markets, right? And I'll have people will message me on their technology, on their iPhones, from their mom's house and say things like, oh, we just had socialism. It's like, you don't realize the irony of the device that you're using, right? I think we're living in a time where it allows for a lot of that. I also think it doesn't help that politician. And here's the thing about, that's why I love and hate politics so much. I love it because it's fascinating. I hate it because of the way they manipulate people so much. Politicians are experts at manipulating the masses. This is what they do. The last presidential election was over a billion dollars. The next one will be more expensive than that. It always goes up in cost. And the money that they spend is about manipulating us to get us to vote a particular way. And telling us that we're victims and telling us that they have the answers is a very, very safe and successful formula. It's worked for a long time. It's easy for them to say, the reason why you don't have a job is because of, you know, Mexicans. The reason why you don't have, you know, this is because of trade, you know, globalism and trade. The reason why you don't have this is because minimum wage laws are not the way they should be. Or because big business, whatever. And they'll say, but we have the solution, right? And so now you feel like you're a victim and you vote for these people. And meanwhile, they're stirring up this crazy victimhood mentality where it's absolutely, to the point now where it's hilarious. I'm watching movements destroy themselves because of this victimhood mentality. Right. It's really, I actually- Well, because there's no line. Dude. There's no line. It's like you go all the way to the extreme, but now it's like it like cannibalizes itself. Like once it gets to that extreme, it's crazy. Cause they start creating even more standards and more people that are, you know, excluded that they have to like highlight. That's just interesting. Wasn't there something like recently? I don't know if I'm gonna bring this up. It was something about another thing about pedophilia and like trying to like put that to light as being like more of a mental issue that we should really support and not like, you know, condemn. What? Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, it was some fucked up thing that I saw and I was just like, I can't accept this. Like I can't, like you can't put that kind of thing out there and like me just be like, oh yeah. Okay, like, you know, let's, let's figure this out. And I don't know, you're a piece of shit. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, and be open and honest about it and have this, this, you know, this discourse. There was actually saw a chart. It was a privilege hierarchy, okay? So like, yeah, so like a gay white man has more privilege than a gay white woman has more privilege than a gay black woman. And then it went to this whole thing where they were like ranking who's more privileged than who and they were just literally putting people in boxes and I'm like, based off of, you know, like your skin color. This brings me back to my first point though, it's like, you know what's funny is we get in these big debates about privilege and all, it's like, is being privileged an advantage? I could debate the other side. I don't believe, I mean. You see a lot of dysfunction in that, you know, with the kids that grew up in that. When money is all that we all look at, like you talked about the other day, Sal, like if you're not, if you don't worship God or believe in God, then there's something else that we worship and if you worship money and you think money and success and getting to a certain place in a company is your end all be all, then maybe privilege does matter, but what we come to find out when people get to these levels, how many of them are unhappy? How many actors and actresses and athletes that had millions of dollars and are up in this, living in amongst the most privileged are the most unhappy and unfulfilled. So is it really a privilege to be privileged? Maybe it's not. Maybe being disadvantaged is actually more an advantage. Like, whoa, think on that for a fucking minute. Like I think it's so hilarious that we sit here and we talk about all that shit. They just did a study on trigger warnings. You guys know what trigger warnings are. They're doing college trigger warning. We're about to talk about it old book that whatever. They did a study. I think it was a Harvard that did the study and found that it actually is harming students. Duh, right? It's actually harming students to do this because it's causing them to become less or more or more sensitive and afraid of, well, basically the real world. It's fear, man. Yeah. Like don't we realize that fear is the thing that like always will allow somebody to govern over us and like keep us down. Like fear is the tactic they've always used to oppress us. Yeah, it says that trigger warnings may coddle the mind and actually increase the risk of some of these kids getting bad effects from seeing things that they don't like. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Which it's kind of, I mean, it makes sense. Right. That's totally what makes sense, so. Well, I was surprised when we, the first time that we talked about the cry closets, I was actually surprised of the forum. We definitely had a handful of people. There was people supporting it for sure. That came back and supported that. And I thought, wow, that's pretty crazy to me. I thought that would be like one of those things. If you were a mind pump listener, you would think how ridiculous that really is, but there was a lot of people that came forward. Well, like I said, there's empathy. I understand the empathetic aspect. I'm a very empathetic person, you know? But, you know, here's the deal. Like if you're an adult and you're in a challenging situation, you're at work and your boss is like, I need this report. Listen, you know, we got a new deadline. Needs to be done tonight. That means you got to work until it's finished. And the adults looking at them and the adult knows, like, oh man, I had a dinner planned tonight with my wife and so the employee looks at the boss and just starts crying, right? Imagine that situation, just breaks down and starts crying. Yeah. Okay, yeah, I get that you're sad. I get that, you know, I should feel empathetic, but at the same time, you are an ineffective human being at that moment. If you want to go to dinner with your wife, you sit down and you have a conversation with your boss. If you don't, then you stay at work and you bust your ass. Sitting there crying makes you an ineffective human being in that situation. I have empathy for you, but there's definitely times when you gotta, you know, what do they say? Put your big, you know, big boy or big girl pants on? Well, they say man up, but I'm sure you can't say that. Yeah, whatever. We know what that means. We know what that means. Sometimes you just got to say, oh fuck, all right, let's get this shit done. Cause that's how you're effective. It doesn't mean you're not empathetic. It just means that's how life kind of works and what makes you effective. I can't imagine world leaders acting like that. You imagine being a world leader and like, you know, crying to another person cause you're negotiating a trade agreement or something like that and it's not fair. Yeah, I guess for me, I just see society, like being tough is a lost trait. Like just the idea of being resilient and having this kind of character where you're just like, I mean, you're fucking tough. Like it's really hard to get at you. You know, like that is just not something I see people really lifting out there like and putting out there as like something to like and being stoic and you know, it's something that people like that. Like everybody has to be so fucking sensitive and cry all the time and like like share every shit thing that happened to them. Like, I don't know, it's just different. It's a different thing now. Some things you need to be able to say to yourself like, okay, that's ridiculous. I don't need to be upset over that. Tough your way out of it. The definition of faith that resonates for me along those lines is like, you do everything you can to get what you think you want but then you have faith that whatever happens is supposed to happen that way. That's my understanding of it. And so I think when you're in a tough situation being tough basically means like having faith and I don't care if this means you believe in God or whatever, or maybe have faith in your own abilities or faith that, you know, you can handle whatever comes your way. At the end of it, didn't work out the way I wanted. I'm crushed, I'm devastated, I'm sad, but I have faith and so I'm gonna be tough. Does that make sense? Rather than be defeated. Or understanding that there's a silver lining in that. There's a lesson to be learned and that maybe I needed to learn and that's boy is that hard for people to understand. Like it's just so hard when you're in the middle of this, this hurts, it's painful, there's why this happened to me, like being able to pull yourself away and be like, okay, well, where is the message for me in this or where is the silver lining for me to be able to grow and level up from this? It's an attitude that if you're trying to get to a point in your life where you're healthy and fit and content and fulfilled, that attitude will take you very far. Even, like I said, if we bring it all the way back down to the very basic, get lean, build muscle, be fit. Let's just look at that for a second. Having that attitude of, okay, my life is busy, maybe you're a single parent, maybe you have two jobs, you don't have a lot of money to spend on gym access, maybe it's hard to eat right because you're scheduled, but you still say, okay, here's the cards I've been dealt, here's what I'm gonna do and I'm gonna go for it and I'm gonna organize things, I'm gonna work towards, you would be surprised at how capable we are when we have that attitude. I mean, humans have done incredible things and it's all come from that attitude and basically what I'm trying to communicate is that is a very useful attitude to have. It's gonna serve you well. It doesn't mean you don't have empathy, doesn't mean you don't feel bad when something bad happens, doesn't mean you don't wanna help other people because I definitely believe very strongly in charity, I believe very, very strongly in helping your fellow man, I feel very strongly in empathy, but at the same time, you have to have that attitude for yourself because that's what's gonna help you. The other attitude doesn't. You know what I've been thinking about and I kind of attribute it to the workforce that's out there now. Like what are people doing in their jobs? People really don't have anything to do. Like even when they're at the job, they're on the clock, they're looking at Facebook, they're looking at Twitter, they're just, I feel like there's a sense of like, we're just not, we're not fulfilling some kind of purpose or like in my job or I'm not finding this, I'm not driven enough and so it's like there's, people just aren't busy enough. You're not like waking up every day to accomplish things. Cause you don't have to anymore. It's different. You don't have to anymore. I think we're super busy, but not busy with, not like purposeful things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're super, super busy. I saw a study on this one time, I wish I knew what it was. Doug, maybe you can search for something like that. It had something to do with the amount of hours of productivity that an average employee actually has. Yeah, and it was embarrassing. Yeah, it's like out of an eight hour day, like two hours is like actual like work time. The rest is like. Which is great. I love it. Cause I imagine a lot of you guys listen to us as you're working right now. Thank you for that. It's like, there's a lot of jobs out there where you really could just skate and then like look like you're working and make sure you look busy. But really it's not a lot to do. This is also too though. This goes back to the beginning of a topic of like the, you know, entertain but yet educate at the same time too was a main mission I think of Mind Pump. It wasn't just about, you know, us purely entertaining. It's not, I hope it's not just that. I mean, at least the feedback that I've gotten since we've started this show is that it's rare that you listen to an episode and there's not a takeaway in there for you as an individual, whether it be personal growth wise or it has something to do with business or it has something to do with health and fitness, which is what we're surrounded around, right? Yeah, that was, it's just an effect. Oh, it was. It was two hours. Two hours and 53 minutes of productivity through an eight hour day. The whole day. That's crazy. You know, that is crazy. It makes sense though. Yeah, what? Well, this is where, now it's in, you see companies like the Facebooks and the Googles and like some of these other companies that are starting to do this now where they have these short spurts of work and then they break it up with fun and events and playing and doing things like that. That's smart. It is smart. It's very smart. I mean, because if you're an employer and you look and you go like, oh shit, on average, the average employee is only giving me two hours and 53 minutes. I'm paying them from nine to five. I may as well enhance that experience and maybe I can squeeze out an extra 10 or 15. They're already fucking playing on the clock and not doing shit. I may as well organize it so hopefully I can get more productivity out of them. So that's really interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting strategy. I like that. I like that. And tech companies are the ones that do it because it's such a competitive field. Because they're actually, they're literally fighting for employees. It's such a competitive field. And they're trying to figure out ways of making it more productive but also making it lucrative to people in many different areas. This is why you go to like, again, you brought up Google. I mean, you guys know all the free shit people get at Google. Like free massages and food. Well, they wanna keep everybody on campus which is smart, you know? Cause it's like, the longer you stay there, the more likely you're gonna squeeze a couple of times out of work. And you'll network with people that are working on projects and things will kind of spark. It's extremely competitive, which is a... That too, yeah. Yeah, well, that's what it is. Google's competing with, you know, YouTube and Apple and all these companies are fighting for similar talent. So they're trying to attract as many people as they can. So anyway. You know, you bought stock the other day, is it still? Facebook went back up. Did it go back up? Yeah, I did. I think it's a long buy. Cause I think Facebook, what makes me like Facebook is just the sheer number of people and the sheer number of, like, amount of information. Oh, it's not going away. No, no, no. They already have too much. And then they own Instagram on top of it. Which I see them moving. And I mean, that, if it wasn't for Instagram, I mean, they've really, really picked up on that. I think, I forgot the number I saw it, what he bought it at and what it's worth now. It's like... Yeah, they also own WhatsApp, which that was a big... Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that was a big purchase a while back, like a couple years ago. Dude, here's the thing that's kind of crazy though about the social media platformers right now. So you guys, do you guys know who Alex Jones is? Yeah. Do you know who he is? Yeah. The Info Wars guy, the conspiracy theorist or whatever. So he got kicked off all platforms. All of them. Social media, he's not on Twitter, not on Facebook and now YouTube. What? Kicked them off. And they said it's because... It's the globalists. Well, and what they said it's, they said it's because he has hate speech and they want to remove hate speech. Now here's the deal. Those are private companies. So it's a hundred percent within the rights to kick off whoever the hell they want off their platform. So I'm not saying, you know, we should force them to change things. But I do find it weird that Alex Jones gets kicked off but you have Antifa who's the, who, you know, these guys are basically domestic terrorists. You had that one journalist that just got a job at the New York, I think it's the New York Times, I believe, maybe New York Post, maybe you can find it for me, Doug. She's an Asian journalist and she has a string of tweets that she wrote a while ago saying horrible things about white people. Like horrible things about white people. Very, very racist. Her stuff never got pulled off. She's still there. And so the inconsistency with what they consider hate speech and whatever is a little bit alarming. You know what I'm saying? Mainly because they're so powerful, they're such powerful platforms that, I don't know, it's fascinating. I mean, what do you guys think about this? Well, you can see how it completely just has to be within their definition, their narrative of what that is. Right? There's no like democracy in that. Like you're either on our platform or abiding by our stands or not. Well, Candice, the reality is. Do you guys know what Candice Owens is? No. She's this conservative black woman, right? Very, very intelligent, very good on media. Oh yeah, I know, I follow her. Very, very intelligent on media. And she's just, she's on the other side. And I like watching both sides. I'll see extreme liberal, extreme conservative. And I tend to agree half the time with each of them. But anyway, what Candice Owens is, which I thought was brilliant, is she took the exact tweets that this woman made, this writer about white people, and she changed the word white with black or Jewish, just as an experiment. So same statement. Just changed the word white to black or Jewish. And she got suspended on Twitter for saying the exact same thing, but just saying it about black people or Jewish people. Oh wow. How crazy is that? Well, yeah, I mean. There's a, it's kind of. You can shit all over white people. It's like open season. Yeah, it's free reign. I know, I don't like that. I hate inconsistencies. I think it's all shitty. Well, I think, I also think it's because 50 years ago it wasn't like that. And so we're seeing it swing this way. And in order to get it to swing this way. It's a lot of pent-up energy in that direction, yeah. Right, and just like a pendulum. Like it was meant to swing back into the center and it's got momentum now and it's swinging way hard the other direction. I just have slamming heart. Yeah, it's soon everybody that's, and I feel like that's, this is why Trump got, where he's at. It's because, and as much as there's people that hate him and whatever like that, is that he's the extreme the other direction. He's the one trying to push the pendulum the other way. And I, you know, it's always that way with presidents, right? We go one side to the other side, back and forth. Yeah, back and forth. And Congress flips also, you'll get like, yeah. I just hate inconsistencies and like lack of logic. I really, really, it just irks me. It's like, let's just be consistent. Like don't say shit. Don't say racist shit about anybody. Don't like say it's okay about this one race and it's not okay about this race. And let's not say shit about men and women instead of the, oh, it's okay to say it about just men or it's just okay to say it about these religions and not that religion. It's still divisive. It's so illogical and inclusive. Let's conclude everybody. I mean, what happened to free speech? I mean, I don't give a fuck. Say whatever you want to say. And if there's a bunch of people that follow you and there are a bunch of bigots too. And then we can keep them all in the category. Like there's all the bigots on. I'll see what you said there. I'll see you later. Yeah, just let me peace out. If you don't like what they have to say, then don't consume their content. It's like, if it's not for you, then don't do it. It's just like how I offended the girl the other day. I'm like, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry that a single adjective is enough for you to decide who I am as a person. That's unfortunate. And okay, but I respect it that you have the, you have an opinion. You have every right to say what you said to me. And you have every right to not listen to the show because of that. I hope that I attract people that have a little bit thicker scent on a bunch of fucking snowflakes. That's all, I hope that's who I get. That's who, that's the people. And I know, damn well, there's people that listen to the show that don't care for me that much, but love the way Sal presents himself and loves the way that, that's fine. I'm okay with that. Like that's, so I. Nobody hates Justin. It does see you. Yeah. Right. I got, you know. I think, I just think. I don't think that it needs to be policed. Like I don't need, we don't need to police. No, and that's, and it is free speech. It's just, it's a, because they're private organizations and they, you know, like Twitter and YouTube and Facebook and, you know, Instagram, they're private. And so they can kick you off. If they wanted to, they could kick every Republican off their platforms or every Democrat. And it's a totally up to them. And it's not a problem. I mean, I have, I have something I follow a lot and I'm a little annoyed by it. And I don't, I don't bitch about it. I don't complain. It's just, I'll just stop reading their material. I love complex news, but complex in the last year, especially since Trump has been in office, is shown they are, there's like super hardcore left. And they're, they were really cool on pop culture. I love their little news on even sports. They cover a lot of topics that I enjoy to read. And I just don't care so much that they, the slant that they have right now on all their political stuff that they keep doing. It's like, I feel like a lot of it is really naive, the shit that they put out there, but I'm not somebody who gets on there and makes and fucking waste my time arguing it and debating it. It's just like, okay, I'll just tune it out. Like there's, I'm not there for that now. I'll take their sneaker advice. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not going to read their fucking political views because I think they're stupid. It's getting, it's getting, it feels like it's getting a little polarized. It's funny when, when Americans are pulled across the board, most Americans are in the middle. Most Americans are not, it feels like they're, that we're being super polarized, but really we're, most people are in the middle. Most Americans are pro free market and pro, like pro freedom socially. So it's like, most Americans support things like gay marriage, you know, loosening drug laws or ending the war on drugs. Most Americans are pro, you know, allowing more immigrants to come into the country. Most Americans are also pro free market, anti super high taxes, high, high regulations. We're stuck for this two-party system bullshit. Yeah. So most people are kind of in the middle and that's kind of tend to where I sit, right? Which is why I can, I piss off everybody. It's funny when, when, when Bush was the president, if you heard me, you think I was like this hardcore liberal, it's just, I hated Bush was just represented all the shitty sides of the right. When Obama was in, everybody thought I was super right. Now Trump's in and I'm, you know, there's a lot of things I don't like about him either. But most people are somewhere in the middle. They don't really have a voice, unfortunately. The voices that tend to get heard the most are the mainstream. Rational people, yeah. They don't want to hear that. Actually, we had this debate in the forum and someone was saying how, how polarized it seems. And I thought about it for a second. And then I, you know, I tried to view it in the context of, you know, recent, relatively recent American history. Man, the 60s and 70s were way worse. I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as the 60s and 70s in terms of polarization. That was a very, very volatile time. You had civil rights leaders getting assassinated left and right. You had presidents getting assassinated. You had a war that was extremely unpopular. You had a counterculture that the CIA actually viewed as a threat to national security. I don't, we're nowhere near as bad as that. So, you know, and that's the other thing too. I think social media just takes the good and the bad of media and it amplifies it. And one of the bad things it amplifies is the spreading of bad news. And I think people think things are a lot worse than they are. They're correct, Chasers. Yeah, and it's not as bad. It's not nearly as bad as we think it is. It really isn't. It's good we have these conversations, but most people- Well, you talked about that already. We live in a safer, more prosperous time in our lives than ever, you know what I'm saying? So it's, but yeah, I feel like we see more complaints, more highlights. It feels like that way. Right. I feel like now too, we're really like actively trying to consider everybody's point of view. You know, it's tough. It's like there's so many different types of people that all coexist here in the same place and they all have different agendas. And so like, how do you manage all of that? It's really tough. That's the thing about America that's, I love more than anything. It's one of the most, arguably maybe the most diverse country in the world. It's a new country. If you compare it to Europe and Asia and Eastern Europe, it's a very new country in comparison, but it's extremely diverse. It's made up of so many different people, so many different religions, so many different belief systems that it encourages things like innovation. It encourages things like progress, but it also causes, there's also lots of arguing and fighting. So it's like, when you look at like, I love people that use the Scandinavian countries as examples, like, look how happy people are. Everybody there agrees on the same shit. Everybody there is- They're all the same race. They're all the same, yeah, race, same color. They're like everything. Most people the same religion is not nearly as diverse. I mean, it's definitely got some diversity. It's a free country. It's a very free country with very free markets, but it's not nearly as diverse as a country like ours where we just have all kinds of shit going on all the time. I mean, we have a Communist Party in America, socialist Communist Party that still has members, right? Yeah. And if in a country that made capitalism popular or whatever. So we have all these different views and we fight and we bicker and we argue, but we innovate and we progress very, very, very quickly. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't that long ago at all. It was like decades ago that we had segregation. And now, decades later, we're not talking about hundreds of years, we're talking about decades later, we had a black president. That's incredible progress. Not where we need to be, but incredible progress from where we were. So I think when we look at things through that lens, it's like, okay, we can argue, we can fight. We could beat each other's throats, but at the end of the day, we end up finding a way of innovating, working together and progressing. It's kind of crazy that fitness is kind of like a microcosm of all of this, right? Sure. When you think about it, and I really feel like that's a lot of what we represent is to break down all those walls and barriers and all these different camps. It's like, there's so much great in all of it. It's not, they're wrong, and you're right, or I'm right, they're wrong. It's not like that at all. It's like, yeah, there's a good message within all that. There's something that somebody can take away from all of these different camps. And we should be one big camp that everybody has the ability to pull from instead of trying to divide all of us and debate semantics. It drives me crazy when people hang on one or two little things. It's something that you might have said or a view that you have with how to get in shape or a way to do nutrition. And it's just like, oh no, that's not right. The science supports this and says it's supposed to be that way. Get the fuck out of here. There's so many, there's such an individual variance to so many people that you might be right in this one scenario. I might be right in another scenario. At the end of the day, both people could be right. It's not a matter of that. That was the biggest learning lesson I had as a trainer was like realizing that. Cause I can't tell you, sure a majority of my clients would respond and react to nutrition and exercise. Like the studies showed they would. But there was a sizable minority. It wasn't like two people. It was a sizable minority that would break all the rules. You know, we do shit and I would be dumbfounded. Like why is this person not responding to what we're doing? Or why is this, this person says they're only eating 1,300 calories, but they're still overweight. I used to think people were lying to me, you know? Or, you know, I've had clients where I was like, no, no, you need to eat meat because if you don't eat meat, you're probably lacking nutrients and they're just thriving on a vegan diet. And so I had to like step, take a step back and be like, okay, like there's more to this than what the studies will show. And that's when I became a really good trainer. Is when I started looking people, looking at people more as individuals rather than, you know, I have this general framework that I enter in with but I'm okay with breaking the rules. And that was a huge learning lesson for me at least. Huge, huge learning lesson. Did you see the post that I think I shared on the forum for everyone to try and get on there was the vegan guy, the vegan bodybuilder that was put out there on the podcast, who he should have on the podcast. And I told the forum to go over there if they can have a chance to drop by. And we must have had, I don't know, 50 to 60 people get over there and not one. Yeah, did he ever respond? Did he respond? It looked like he responded to everybody else except for all the mind pump ones. Maybe it's because I'm doing the carnivore diet. It's too bad, you know? Well, I don't know if either one of you looked at his page and everything and he's just... I've seen him before. He's just so hardcore. I mean, his girls got vegan tattooed on her butt and they push the vegan message so hard and it's just, I don't know. I feel like it becomes so religious when people treat it that way. It's like, I'm not... Well, it is a belief system for them. Yeah. It is. When you're... And here's the thing about nutrition, by the way. When nutrition becomes a belief system, you are very consistent, but you also become very fanatical about it. And for a vegan, for the most consistent vegan, the most consistent vegans are the people that truly believe in their heart. It is immoral and wrong to kill animals for pretty much for any reason, okay? To kill animals. It's just immoral. And so they know the value hierarchy system, their values, that's one of their top values. And so for them, they're evangelizing when they're talking about veganism. It's not just about health and it's healthy. And they're not just making arguments that it's better for you. They're driven by the fact that they're trying to save animals. And so through that lens of trying to save animals because it's immoral, that's what drives all their arguments. And that's why it can come across, and it is in many cases. Well, that's fanatical and dogmatic. They're trying to end cruelty, and I get that. And it is a very strong belief system. I mean, it's the same... Yeah, I don't know if I should bring up abortion, but it's like, you know, you start getting into that. Yeah, right? We might as well go there, right? But that's why people get so passionate about it because it's a belief system. It's like, no, this is a life, you know? And so you go to those levels where it's like, you're not gonna convince them otherwise. So it's like, okay, well, I don't wanna go with this. No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. It's what they truly believe. And so trying to convince them otherwise is impossible, but yeah, again, like, vegans are trying to... Vegans in this category are trying to make the case because they wanna save animals, not because veganism is healthier. Which we've all said we're okay with that, right? Totally. Yeah, that's in your belief system. I respect you. Totally, totally. I just don't like it when they use that then to make the case. But it's better for everybody. That it's healthier for most people or that. Or that we were intended to be that way. Or that you're bad. Because now you're manipulating data and information just to serve your narrative. Yeah, because that's just not true. Which is just as bad as somebody, some of these religious dogmatic people let's do the same thing too. Start manipulating information just to serve you and serve your message, right? That's right. And so yeah, I would love to get on his podcast and talk to him because I have met a couple vegan bodybuilders that were quite shocking at how well they felt and the muscle they built and how awesome they felt. And so it'd be interesting to have that conversation about that. But then we can of course debate the health, like what's actually healthier? Forget the individual variants. But for most people, what's actually healthier? What actually works better for most people? It's unfortunate that someone like that won't though. They might. You never know. You don't think so? I don't know. Like I said, it's a belief system. It's hard to crack. I don't think that it's weird at all that he responded to everybody else but anybody that tagged Mind Pump, I think that's pretty obvious that he wouldn't want to have a conversation around that. That's the other thing too. And I actually saw some other people on other, I went through his page first because I thought, okay, would this be even worth it? Yeah, nice looking page. No, he doesn't. I thought that it would be a great conversation. And he's got a lot of influence. I think he's got like a quarter million people that are following him. And the message that he's giving, I would like to have him expand on some of his thoughts and then us maybe challenge some of the way he's thinking on different things and have a great discussion. And I think that we have the right platform to do it. I just wish, I would love a vegan to make a different argument. Like if I was a vegan, I think I could make a much better argument than the vegan arguments that I've heard. Cause I hate it when vegans present the argument and say, no, this is just a healthier way to eat and this is how we're supposed to eat. No, no, no, that's not true. If we were, you know, hunter-gatherers and you just tried to survive off of the plants and stuff that grow around you. Yeah, you'd be in trouble. So the way I would position the argument is like, look, we live in modern times. We can get creative with plant-based foods. So I can get all the nutrients I need. I can combine foods. And because of the fact that now I can get food from Mexico and food from other countries. You can eat unseasonable food that normally you'd have to wait. Yes, and here's why I think it's better. Because, and then I'd make those points and I'd make the real points that you can start to argue. That would be a better argument. I don't like it when they try and use the false arguments because then it's like, okay, well, you're not, you can have a tough time. It's just misinformation, like what the hell? Like the cows are killing the ozone? Yeah, yeah. It's just the methane gas. Well, it turns people off because it's just misinformation. That's like a tenth of what oil and gas are really doing. You know what the irony is, fossil fuels. The irony of that is too is, you know, with cows and chickens and pigs and all that stuff. And the irony is if they weren't domesticated animals for food, they probably would not exist and not even close the population they do now. Like one of the ways you want to guarantee an animal, if you want to guarantee that an animal doesn't go extinct, then have people own them and eat them. For sure they'll never go, they'll all have plenty of cows because we eat beef, right? If we didn't, if we didn't have milk and beef, how many like wild cows or, you know, it wouldn't be that much. And then of course the flip argument could be, well, that's not really a life and why would they, you know, they grew up in captivity and all that stuff. But it would be an interesting conversation. No, it would be. I see you moving your shoulder. Funny, what's going on? Dude, I, you know, we're getting old, bro. Do it. You know what? Is it that natural life? The worst that today is. It's harder, bro. It's harder with the natural road. Like the steroids actually actually. Do it yourself again. To be honest, that's actually not true. The anabolics would make a situation like this even worse. In fact, this used to happen a lot to me because of that, because you build muscles so fast and so fast. Push it too hard. Yeah, push it too hard. And then you get out of balance for sure. So I would actually deal with more of this stuff when I was on than when I'm off. But on a real note, I know exactly, I mean, I stretched myself right now. Of course I'm slowly increasing volume week over week. And I knew that this last back session that I did, I knew I was stretching myself and pushing it. And so I knew I was gonna be more sore than usual. And so my back is definitely tight. And yesterday, I just so happened to make that the day too that I sat down in front of my computer for like five hours straight and shoulders rolled forward and I'm sitting there looking at little tiny numbers all day someone this rounded posture. I know that, and then as soon as I moved from that, after I've been stuck there for a frozen flight. Oh, just instantly I could feel the pain in my shoulder. And it just always driving me crazy. And then last night, Katrina was, normally Katrina opens me up and works on me a little bit when that stuff like that happens. And I didn't have her last night to do that. And fuck, dude, I'm just, it's just annoying right now. Cause I know it just, it needs to be worked out. And I got on the ball or the- Is it in the shoulder blade or in the shoulder itself? Well, the pain feels like it's in the shoulder, but I know it's related to my back, my shoulder blade. It's related to me being tight and then rolling my shoulder forward and typing on the computer all day. And so I'm just out of alignment right there. And I know if I re-align it, I open up and I start to relax. What were the exercises and stuff that you were just going too heavy for too hard? I did some heavy deadlift. It's just the total volume too. Just a lot of work on my back. So I did heavy deadlifting. I did pull-ups. I did rows and what I think I did lap pull-down. Oh, same thing. All kinds of pulling, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was a full back workout. I was just back, that's all I did. Like I hadn't done just a single muscle like that and really got after it. And so I kind of knew I was gonna stretch myself. And then like I said, that would have been okay. I really think it was the poor posture afterwards. That's when I felt it. Like so my back was feeling normal sore. So you feel nothing until after the computer? Yes. I've done the same and like heavy squatting, deadlifting, all that. And then sitting in my car in traffic for a couple hours and then getting out exaggerated. What normally would be just kind of like a small knot that was like, okay, like my whole leg would be affected in my, up into my hip and just be like, oh, super painful. So totally. Yeah, I do. I do real, like I see that happening after I do like a real good session but then you're just locked in a shitty position. Yeah, I'm trying to think of why that happened. Probably cause you're causing muscle damage, right? When you're working out hard. So you've got that damage going on. So a little bit of inflammation, little bit of soreness is going to start to maybe set in later. The body sending inflammatory markers and things to start to repair. But then you're sitting in this or standing or whatever in this fixed position, muscles are stuck in this shortened position. And because you just trained it as hard as you did, the CNS is now protecting that damaged muscle by keeping it shortened. And then when you try to come out of that position now you probably come out with more pain, which is like when we do maps prime, how we have the, we talk all about what you do before your workout, but in prime we have post-priming sessions and part of it is to prevent this and the other part of it is to send a better signal. 100%, I know for a fact that if I chose to do handcuff with rotations and did some like shoulder mobility type of work and actually stretched or had a massage on my back opposed to sitting in a computer for five hours after all that, I wouldn't be feeling this way. Isn't that weird? Cause we used to get taught like just sit there and rest. Yeah. You know how, you know, it's funny. That's what rest was, was just like laying down or sitting there. Don't do anything. I had got over the last, maybe the last 15 years or 12 or 13 years of my personal training career, I never, I did not have a single client tweak or hurt themselves during a workout. Now what would happen, what would happen a couple times is where I'd be training a client and they'd feel something and they'd be like, ooh, my back feels a little bit or my shoulder is bothering me a little bit. And I was always encouraged my clients to communicate that to me. Then the rest of the session would turn into mobility and correctional work. So like the last, so if, oh, you know, we're doing, let's say we're doing chest and shoulder or whatever and then I'd see my client move in the arm a little fun and say, what's the matter with your shoulder? Oh, it's a little tight. That's it. The rest of the workout. We're working on that. And they would always, and they would always have no problem the next day. This was even with back pain. I think even once I trained Doug and his back did something funny during a workout and the rest of the workout we just stretched it into mobility. And he was just a little sore the next day it wasn't. Yeah, nothing's worse for me than knowing what I did and then knowing I could have prevented it had I put the work in. Like I knew that I was overstretched. The meaning overstretched myself capacity-wise, not overstretched like stretching. I knew I overreached, I should say. I overreached when I was training back. So that being said, I should have put in the due diligence post-workout and for sure, sitting down in a locked position like that after I just lit up my posterior chain would not be an ideal thing whatsoever. Yeah, because what happens when your body senses injury or in a thinks you're gonna get injured, it'll freeze up. Or it's got a governing. We've all felt that, right? We've all felt, we know the term locked up. My back just locked up or just seized up. What your CNS is doing is it's telling a muscle or a group of muscles to cinch down, tighten up and not move. That by itself causes pain, but then that also goes up and down the kinetic chain in the sense of now the rest of your body is moving and operating differently because of that. And so one of the best things you could do is tell your son to nervous system, hey man, it's okay. Let's stretch, let's move. So I like to use analogies because they tend to communicate things better. And this morning I came up with a really good one. So I was at the front of my house about to leave with my kids. We came here this morning, I did some filming and I wanted the kids to, they wanted to watch me do filming. So I brought them to work and we don't wear shoes in the house. When we come inside the house, we take our shoes off. So I'm at the front, I put one shoe on and then I realized, oh fuck, I forgot my wallet, which is on the other side of the house. So rather than taking my shoe off because we were kind of in a rush, I just walked through the house with one shoe on and one shoe off. Now I'm wearing Converse, okay? And the rise off the floor with Converse is very small. It's a very flat shoe. So we're probably looking at, what would you guys say, half an inch maybe, quarter of an inch off the floor? Maybe, right? If that, yeah. So I'm walking through the house where one foot is maybe a quarter inch higher than the other foot and it dawned on me, like this would be a great analogy that I could use. So let's say we did an experiment and we took, just to illustrate what I'm trying to explain, and we took a bunch of people and you could experiment on yourself. You could actually do this, but I warn you, if you do, you're gonna create some problems. So beware. But let's say we took a bunch of people and I put in one of their shoes a one-tenth of an inch riser. Yeah, like a Dr. Sol in one side, but not the other. Just a small, like a one-tenth of an inch riser in one foot. Just enough to knock you off kilter. You barely will be able to feel it. And in fact, if you walk around in it after about 30 minutes, you probably won't even notice. Put this on and walk around in this all day long. And here's what'll happen. Here's what'll notice. If it's on your left foot, this will happen. Before you know it, you might not even realize one foot's higher than the other, but before you know it, your knee starts to kind of bother you a little bit and feel a little tweaky. You keep going, keep going. Now your hip on the left side starts to bother you. Then the hip on the right side starts to bother you. Then it goes up to your back. Eventually it goes up to the shoulder, to the neck. You might even start to feel things like headaches and stuff like this as a result of it. Now why, right? If I say to somebody, oh, you have neck and shoulder pain and has to do with your foot, people think I'm crazy. Not true. It's all connected. It's all connected. So when we're talking about, what we're talking about with injuries or pain and muscles sees up, if you don't address those issues, you're not just gonna hurt in the area where that muscle is, it's gonna affect the entire kinetic chain and that's why it's so important to address those issues. That's why I think what you do after you work out is almost as important as what you do before, you know? And I think a lot of times, I mean, those signs and signals are there for a reason. I think a lot of, like when injuries occur, especially with athletes, like those little things that seem like, oh, I'm just tight and I gotta barrel through this workout or I gotta get through this, that signal might have been an indicator, like, hey, if you keep stressing, like we're gonna give way. Like this is not gonna work well for you. Like you're gonna end up with like damaged tissue, like all these things, like that your body was already innately warning you about can occur. And it's tough because there is a balance to that of like pressing forward and being able to kind of work through certain discomfort, but when your body's seizing up and really kind of in protection mode, like you really have to like understand the proper way to kind of work out of that. It will, a lot of times people, I used to have issues with this. Sometimes I still do have issues with addressing certain problems because I feel like it's taking away from my ability to progress in my workouts. Like, oh man, I gotta spend, I gotta spend a workout now doing correctional exercise or spend third. There's massive anxiety with that. You feel like you're like stepping backwards, right? You feel like you are, but the reality is it's like people who say, oh, I can't eat healthy because it's expensive. It's actually a lot cheaper than a heart attack, right? It's a lot, it's way more time is wasted when you have these problems in terms of progress than if you address them and fix them. So like, I'm using using example, not that this is what you saw at them, but let's just say in your workout you felt like your shoulder was a little off. Had you addressed it, or let's say after your workout, had you spent 30, 40 minutes doing shoulder mobility work, you wouldn't have to skip the next couple workouts or go see a chiropractor or spend money on that kind of stuff. So it really is, it's at the top of the list, I think in terms of things you should prioritize is just the quality of your movement. And then not to mention, when you move better, you're able to lift heavier. I've had clients who I've added 15 pounds to their lift just because we increased their mobility. They didn't get any more muscle, you know what I mean? It was just they got better mobility and now they can lift 15 more pounds. It's crazy to me, it's like your abilities increase. Like you're like being able to, you know, like whatever it is, whatever you pursue now, like it opens up so many more doors when you do the kind of work that's necessary to be able to free up certain joints to perform at their best. Whereas, you know, a lot of people just think within like, you know, a couple of different variables in there like, well, I have to get a stronger bench. And so, you know, this is what I have to do versus, you know, just doing mobility would have, you know, really put you in a better position to then perform better. Dude, when I first learned about rotator cuff exercises I was 16 or 17. They used to sell in the back of the bodybuilding magazines, it was called, I think it was called the shoulder horn. Do you guys remember this? It was like a blue tube that would go around your neck and then you'd hang your arms over it and then you'd do rotator cuff exercises. Do you remember that thing? I do remember that. No, I don't. Yeah, put it over your neck like this. I remember that. And then it goes under your arms so you rest your arms on it and then you take them down. I still have that at this gym I used to go to. And you do rotator cuff exercises for external rotation. And it was a, I mean, a brilliant, you know, piece of equipment for the average gym rat, right? It's good feedback, you know. Yeah. It just locks you in. Get yourself there. So when I was like, That's actually really cool. God, from the age of 14 till probably 20-something, like bench press was like, I have to bench more. Everybody thought that was the lift. The golden standard. Yeah, which now I look back with silly bit. As a kid, that was the exercise. So I was always trying to get bigger bench and then I saw the ad for that shoulder horn. There it is. There it is right there. It is called the shoulder horn. Check out the mullet and stash. That's the same exact, by the way, it's the same exact ad. That guy's a boss. They haven't changed the model in the picture. He's got a mustache and a mullet. Look at that. Those are kind of cool, dude. So I can't believe I've never seen one. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So I read in the magazine, the ad, and it says, get your bench press to go higher by using the shoulder horn. Now, you know, I was a 16 year old fanatical fitness, you know, enthusiast, and I'd read a lot. And so I started reading the muscles that were affected and you know, cause I also didn't want to spend $75 on this piece of tubing. So all I did was I'd prop my elbow up on a bench, like this, and I just mimicked the exercise. And I, shit you not, I shocked myself. The next week my bench press went up like 10 or 15 pounds. And I was stuck. I don't remember what weight I was lifting at this age, but it was stuck at this weight and it went up, I think it was like 10 or 15 pounds. It was significant. Just from doing the silly exercise. And that's when I started to like put things. The light bulb clicked. Yeah, I was like, oh, shoot. I was the same thing with the Indian clubs for me. I was just adding rotation and like building that in as like something that actually worked on. And now all of a sudden like my shoulder joint just felt more stabilized, just doing a bench press. It was, it was tripped me out. Well, I know that from our zone one test in prime. That's like, that's why you'll always catch me. If I'm in here, if I'm lifting chest, you'll see me go over to our wall right here and do it in, in between sets before because I can feel it getting me in the, and just in the proper position before I go in there. And having to do it intrinsically is so important versus you just doing like, I mean, it's nice to do rows and do things like that, but to be able to connect and do it intrinsically and then go over and then do a bench, I always can feel- That's the next level for sure. Yeah, I can feel a huge difference. Now the thing about the shoulder horn, the, why I want- Now, were you doing it? Now, were you doing it back then when you were a kid? Were you doing it like priming before you're left or did you train it? No, the way I did it was I, first I trained it because I recognized that it made my bench stronger and it also made my shoulder feel better. And then I used it as a band-aid. So anytime my shoulder would hurt, I'd throw those exercises. It didn't click that it was something that I needed to do regularly. Now, it was much later, and I want to say in my mid-20s I started to in particular do external, you know, humoral rotation, which is for this, for what is it, the supraspinatus or infraspinatus? I can't remember what's- One of the spinatus muscles- Infer, super, yeah. Yeah, it's what I think it was. One of the spinatus muscles, but then I started doing it at least once a week. To this day I do exercises like this once a week. Now the only thing I don't like about that angle of the shoulder horn is that when you lift the arm up like that and work external rotation, if you have any shoulder problems at all, that is not a safe place to put you. That could be pretty bad. So I tend to take clients and I would take them and put their arm at their side and do external rotation, which is a little bit safer. Like rubber bands, yeah. Because you have all these small stabilizer muscles in your body, and again, your body's quite intelligent in the way that it works, and what it does is it will let your strength is limited by what your body thinks you could do without hurting yourself, right? That's the limit. So if my max- Which is a big point on itself. I think that people don't like, they underestimate that fact alone that if like your body feels like any direction like is gonna cause, it's a little bit uncertain that you're not gonna be stable enough. It's not gonna allow you full access to what your central nervous system could produce. No, so if you have a maximal output of 100, let's say 100 pounds of squatting strength, let's say that's the full capacity of your body, but your ankles or some of your ligaments or your back, your body doesn't think, eh, we can only do 70. It's like having a car with 1,000 horsepower, but realizing that the car, oh no, we can't floor this because if we hit 1,000 horsepower, we're gonna blow shit up. So we're gonna set the limiter at 500, right? So that's what your body does, and that is, that's present in most people. Most people listening, the only people I know who've really been able to push their body to the max and they've tested this, are very, very high performing strength athletes. Olympic lifters are some of the best in the world. I was just watching a video the other day of this Chinese Olympic lifter, the guy must have weighed, I swear to God, 160 pounds. He was a small Chinese dude, and he did a fucking clean, and he was doing a clean with 400 pounds. And that always just proves to me that we're capable of so much more strength. Everybody is. It's a matter of unlocking that because you have to put your body in the right position. You have to be able to have that feedback that like, oh, my joints are fully supported with this amount of load. Well, I think it's the same study that Sal's talking about right now. Isn't the one that talks about like, they're the ones that have been proven or shown to get like 90 something percent of their capacity where the average person's more like in the 60s in the 70s. Yeah, it's also why, and I've said this before on the show, why you hear the stories of the person under extreme duress who's been able to lift something that like the mom who lifted the car off her child in the accident or whatever. It's because if you can, your body, you can override that rev limiter in an extremely stressful situation. There's a series, I don't know if it's on Netflix or not, but it's with the guy that, the actor that played Spock, and he was also in like that show Heroes. Leonard Nimoy? I think he was the- The original Spock? No, the new Spock. The new Spock guy, right? So he does a thing like that where he was kind of, he was interviewing this guy who basically was like a witness to a car crash. And so he saw this car, like it didn't explode, but it like went up in flames and there was somebody trapped in it and was like, and so it just, he went up and just acted, right? And he acted and he was trying to break the window, couldn't break the window. He actually wedged his fingers into where the door like actually attaches to the car, you know where it like wedges. Was able to shove his fingers all the way in and then he pulled that steel down, folded it down to then finally break the glass and then he was able to get out. Wow. So he actually was able to bend steel and they showed it was like, I don't know how 700 something- Basically impossible. 1,000 pounds, yeah. That was just ridiculous. Holy shit. But it was like pure like, you know, he had pure access at that moment because it was like extreme danger, but like then they did all these experiments with it was very interesting when they had him go back to do like this force output, like it was measuring like how much he could pull off the ground. And so just out of his own will, like what he could summon, like he didn't even get like a fraction of that, right? Like a 700 something. And then like he would add in these inclusions of like, okay now, you know, he would prep him ahead of time with meditation and then it would increase like substantially. And then after that he added like an element that was like super, super dangerous and like got him thinking like he was in danger. And then boom, it got like even more output. So it was very fascinating. It's so fascinating. So I don't know if I ever told you guys this, so when I go visit my dad's side of the family in Sicily, the neighbors and whatever in my cousins, like my older cousins, always love to tell me this same story about when my dad was a kid. So my dad did something similar to that when he was a kid. He was 17 years old. He was home from work because he was sick. He was in his room. He had a fever, I think it was. And he, you know, in Sicily, you live in like floors or whatever. So they live on like there was a second floor or something. And he hears, he's in bed and he hears my grandmother scream at the top of her lungs. Okay, like he tells a story and the people tell the story that my grandma, like the whole neighborhood heard her screaming. And what had happened was a man in his, it was the, God, what car was it? It was a small car. It was really, all the cars were small back then. It was the 500, Fiat 500. So it looks like a mini. Okay, so it's a really small car just to paint the picture. And the guy's handbrake, I guess, wasn't set and it rolled over my dad's baby sister, who was a lot younger than him. So she was only like two or three or something like that. So my grandma sees this and she starts screaming cause it literally rolled over her. The guy gets in the car to try it and but he's all panicked. Everybody's panicked. My grandma's reaching underneath his baby sister's shirt was tight, was caught by the, you know, something underneath the car. My dad hears this upstairs, jumps from the balcony down. So keep it in mind, he's in his underwear, jumps from the second story down the floor and lifts the car and turns it over on its side to get his sister out. Now my dad tells us, I told my dad, I was like, how did you, now my dad's a strong dude, okay? But that's a car, right? That's super human. He didn't lift weights or anything like that. And I said, how did that happen? He goes, all I know is, is I heard my mom screaming that my sister got run over. So he thought his sister was dead. He jumps down and he said, he lifted it and screamed so loud that he lost his voice. He lost his voice. That's how hard he screamed and he couldn't move. He said for a week, because he basically injured every muscle in the back. I'm sure. But he was able to flip the car over because he was able to summon, you know, his full capacity. Everything. Yeah, so really fascinating. But I mean, I guess the lesson in this isn't that you need to, you know, save a life every time you work out. Well, governing's are important, right? So we don't hurt ourselves, but it's just interesting to me to see like what we're capable as human beings, like what we could tap into. But we are super limited by these, by imbalances and immobilities and these weak stabilizer muscles. And that's why it's, you know, unfortunately, and even look, I'm guilty of this. I tend to treat mobility and correctional exercise as a way to help alleviate pain and to prevent injury. I still haven't fully utilized it in its fullest sense, which is to improve and increase some performance. You know what I mean? Instead of like waiting for the pain signal or, oh, you know, I need to do this before I work out. Otherwise I can't squat all the way down. You know, make it something that's like, as important as the workout itself, as a performance boosting thing. You know what I mean? I think that's really where the key is when you're using this kind of stuff is to train that particular way. You guys know that this is our number one downloaded free guide right now is the one that you just currently wrote on the back pain. Already? Yeah, yeah, no. I was diving in all of our analytics last night, and that's one of the most downloaded guides. And I don't know how many people know this. I know you mentioned it at the end of the show. Sometimes I don't know how people tune out right away, but, you know, we've created this like library of what, probably 12. I think there's 10 now, maybe? Two bows or 10. Yeah, there's more that have to get finished. Right, and there's, yeah, there's a lot that we hope to fill that whole thing up of these free guides that are on there and the latest one that's gone live is the back pain one. It's a really, really good read for you guys, and it's totally free. It's at mind.free.com that you guys can download that out. Well, back pain is such a comment. When I wrote that guide, I looked up statistics. Did you guys know that about right at this moment, like at any given moment, about 30% of Americans are suffering from chronic back pain? Yeah. Oh, I believe it. And the thing about back pain, like people get like hopeless with it. Like it's really debilitating, you know? Like if you wake up every day and you got this pain, this sharp pain, and you think that you're only option in surgery and you're trying to avoid it, but you're still trying to be active and it's like painful, everything you do, it's tough. That's why I think it's probably one of the most downloaded right now for that reason. Well, most back pain is not because somebody hurt themselves. No, no. It's just this chronic pain that's coming from, you know? Bad posture, bad positioning, bad patterns. And you wonder why, because back pain in the, you know, 500 years ago is because you hurt your back or because you were breaking rocks or lifting things. Right. Today, the reason why our back pain hurts is our life is, we sit a lot. And so we sit in these positions that shorten, you know, like our hip flexor muscles. We disengage our core muscles. And so we have this weird recruitment pattern that we develop where we become very hip flexor dominant, which kind of pulls the back in this kind of strange position. You don't have good core stability on top of it. We don't have good hip mobility or ankle mobility. So the average person can't get in a squat. You know, if you take the average person off the street until I'm getting down in a squat, they can't do it. So you just combine that and it's just a recipe for disaster. Because the back is, the lower back is incredibly resilient if it's healthy. If it's healthy, it can do a lot of amazing things and it's a very mobile joint, very stable. So it's not a hard fix in the sense that, well, it's a simple fix usually. Like how many times have you guys had a lower back client, you know, pain client? And it's like the same formula, you know what I mean? You do these few movements. Just putting them in better positions a lot of times we'll have an immediate kind of a result. And that's always like, you know, that's something that I love to see that. I love to see when people's pain sort of gets relieved, but they just, you see in their eyes, there's something they can do to kind of address this, which I think is kind of the hopelessness, right? They think they don't have something that they can do to help. Well, a good way to show people too, it's something that I used to lay a client and say, oh, I have a bad back or my back is always bothered. It bothers me right now. Like I would lay them on their back and then have them just hug their knees to show them how much release that would give them like how much better they feel in that position. It's like, this is how you know it's not like you have a bad back. It's like, you have poor posture that's putting stress on your lower back. That's where the problem really is. And because when you roll down, when you open up the spine like this, when I make you hug your knees, like all of a sudden it gives you this instant relief. And that's just because you're in this poor position all day long that it's constantly bugging you and driving crazy. It's not, you don't have a bad back. We have bad posture. Most valuable by far from a business perspective, the most valuable thing that I offered as a trainer, the tool that I had in my tool belt that was the most valuable easily was my ability to help people with pain. Correct this. I agree. Correctional exercise. That's why I always tell, trainers always ask me like, what I think is the best clients like the most valuable certifications that I've had. And for sure you having a good foundation. I know we, we rep Paul check a lot cause I really like a lot of the stuff that he puts out there now. And I know we talk a lot about FRC and stuff like that. But, you know, the NSM CES was probably one of the most impactful certifications for me cause it's just, it's a corrective exercise specialist. It's a good one too. And it's, it's literally what if you're a trainer, if you're an actual trainer that's literally 60 to 70% of your clientele, that's, you know, applicable too. Like literally that's what most people come in even though they have to lose weight. They only, most of them are dealing with some sort of a chronic pain and most of it's related to how they move. And if you can address that. And so that certification in my opinion is one of the best certifications that a personal trainer can have. Dude, you want to separate yourself from your peers and you want to, you want to bring a lot of value. You become the answer to your client's pain. So somebody comes in, they want to lose weight, they want to, whatever. If you're also the trainer that, oh my back hurts, I need to call you. Or, oh, they know how to, or I've never gotten injured or I've moved better. Oh my, it's, it's actually more valuable. I'll tell you what, the clients that I've trained who I've solved their pain issues, they value me way more than the clients who've lost 50 pounds with me. Yeah. Oh, for sure. It's, I mean. 100% Living with chronic, you know, pain and stuff like that. People don't realize what a terrible, that can be a very terrible existence. And when you can be the answer to that as a trainer, especially, especially because- Especially without medication. I was just going to say, especially because Western medicine usually doesn't have an answer for that. Like, how many times have I, have you guys had clients who've had pain and they say, oh my shoulder hurts, but I went to the doctor, get an MRI, had surgery, like nobody knows what's going on. So they basically just, you know, okay, well I got to accept the fact that my shoulder is just always going to hurt. And then you do correctional exercise with them and their shoulder pain's gone, client for life. You know what I'm saying? The thing that scares me is when you get people like my uncle who have allowed it to go for so long, that they feel hopeless at this point. It's so, they're so far down of, you know, not addressing it and that it's just like, fuck it. It's just too much work, right? Yeah. To start over and do things differently. Yeah, it's really, really, it's really tough to be in the position that we are in or I'm in that situation where you see someone you love and you care about, you know the steps they need to take, but you also know that there's nothing magical I can teach them or tell them. A lot of it is they have to do all the prerequisites to get to a point to where their body will start moving, you know, correctly for them. And a lot of that work is really tedious and little. That's the stuff that sucks. Like the move that I'm talking about where I say the zone one test and prime for those that don't own it, it's like, it's such a silly, tedious move, but it's a fucking game changer and it's addressing something. You have to do it. I have to do it, like I have to do it because I spend the other 80% of my day in this rounded position on a computer or on a cell phone or sitting in a chair talking on a podcast. It's so important that I do that. Otherwise, I had done the same thing. You know that's the reason why we had to kind of build in entertainment every day. Like I looked at myself as like, I have to like distract and make sure that we're having fun to this process because it is tedious. It is, there are these things like that that are super crucial, super important to do on a very regular basis that we'll see in mundane and then a lot of people will just like, that's it for me, I'm done with it. But like as a good coach, you can still keep revisiting these things but have your client really enjoy the process. Do you guys have go-to like moves that like you either do personally yourself or that you normally teach like this is like for most people, this is game changer. Well, so one of the things that I would do one of my hallmarks as a trainer was if I, one of the most common posture issues that you'll see with clients that's easy to show someone is rounded shoulders and forward head. Okay, so it's like upper cross, right? So the shoulders are rounded, forward head. Most people have it, it's getting more popular than even when I first started, became a trainer. Now you're seeing kids because kids are on their electronic devices so often. And it's also an easy one to point out to a client. It was also an easy one for me to immediately show somebody how much better they can feel. And I would always focus on this in my assessment because it's funny when you get people that come in that want to try and hire, that are thinking about hiring you and you do an assessment with them and they talk about losing weight and stuff. Yeah, you could talk about losing weight and what you can do and all that stuff. But if you could show them immediate relief in some kind of pain or dysfunction, they're gonna hire you almost nine out of 10 times they're gonna end up hiring you as a personal trainer. So they would come in, I would do my assessment, inevitably they'd have forward shoulder and I'd show them, here's forward shoulder, here's forward neck and they'd be like, oh yeah, I could definitely see that. And then I would end up sounding like a psychic and I'd say, you probably have a tight neck. And I know that because when you're forward shoulder I know that the muscles attached to the neck tend to be tight because that's the position you're in and they'll be like, oh my God, you're right. And these muscles aren't firing here. Then I'd sit them down and I'd have them do a cable row. Really lightweight and I'd stand behind them and I'd put my hands on their shoulder. First I'd say, okay, I want you to row for me on your own cause I want to see how you move. And of course they would row and there'd be no scapular retraction. It would all be in the biceps and the forward shoulder. And I'd say, okay, so I'd say your mid-back isn't firing just like I thought. I said, now what I want you to do is I want you to grab that bar, we're gonna do a cable row again. This time I'm gonna sit behind you and I'm gonna place you into proper position. So then I'd stand behind them, I'd have them sit, I'd have them brace their core, stick their chest out, they'd pull back and then I'd place my hands on their shoulders. Sometimes I'd have to put my knee in their mid-back but usually I wouldn't and I'd pull their shoulders back. And all of a sudden they'd have this look on their face like what, my shoulder's moving that direction? And then I'd have them, I'd pull their shoulders back and I'd tell them to push them down, don't elevate them, squeeze back. And then all of a sudden you'd see them start to connect to those mid-back muscles and then I'd say, okay, now hold it here and I'd let go and I'd train them to be able to do that. Then I'd have them put the bar back, I'd have them stand up and I'd say, how do you feel? And every single one would be like, holy shit, my shoulders feel good, my back feels good, my neck feels good, boom, client, every single time. Cause I'd show them right then and there, here's what I can do for you. That was my go-to. No, I think that's, that was one of my go-to moves. Same thing? Yeah, I think that's a pretty standard move for a trainer because of upper cost syndrome is so common. But I think the biggest one that I have incorporated now, and this really didn't happen until Brink. Like Brink was the one who really opened my eyes up on two big moves that have been game changers for me, which is the 90-90 and then the combat stretch. And I don't know if that's just because I'm a tall, lanky guy and so it's made such, it's made so much more of an impact on me or what? Because I deal with, I had always IT issues, I always had low back stuff going on. I always had this low, especially when I started training. Cause once I started training and lifting heavy, all that stuff would lock up and get tied on me and it would be really frustrating. And the 90-90 has been, it's been constant work too. Like I'm still nowhere where I'd like to be, but I've made leaps and bounds from where I was. I mean, I had like no internal hip rotation at all. Like I was not able to control that when I first started. Like I remember the first time he put his- Oh, he lifts your foot? Yeah, the first time he put me in the night. He's not even your foot, right? Yeah, the first time he did that and I was just like, I remember the first time he just asked me to lift it. I'm like, it doesn't lift. You can't lift it. You know what I'm saying? He'd be like, yes you can. And then he'd lift it. I'm like, oh shit, like, holy cow, I'm so disconnected. But now I can really control that and I've made a lot of progress. And because of it, I can feel the difference in the relief that I have. So it's now become a staple position that I teach almost every single person that I come across that ever talks about any low back issues, which I think that that's the thing that I think is unique is you think low back and so people right away think, oh, what do I need to do to my, I need to stretch my back. What are some- Yeah, what are my back stretches that I need to do? But the whole hip complex is such a complex area and there's so many muscles that are inserting and connecting in that, that if your hips are really tight that it ends up pulling on the low back and nine times out of 10, it's related to those things. It's related to what you have going on and the inability for you to internally or externally rotate the hips. And that same thing kind of goes for the shoulder when you talk about upper cross injury. I mean, these are multifaceted joints that what makes them so special and unique is they don't move in these same direct planes like a lot of our other joints, right? No, it's what the shoulder's like a hip of the upper body. Right. Yeah, arguably their mobility, their dynamic mobility is also why they're so susceptible to problems. I mean, one of the most common upper body issues to hurt is the shoulder and the mid-back, it's all related because it's get the scapulae at the shoulder, moves in all these different directions or whatever. It's not like how often do people's elbows hurt? You know what I mean? You don't see a lot of chronic elbow pain. You get some tennis elbow, but that's not elbow related. That's related to the wrist. It's more over pattern. Yeah, that's related to the wrist. Injury. Yeah, and what's interesting to think back about like some go-tos, like it really was built and developed into prime. Like now that I think about, like I used to stick when I would even evaluate and do squat assessments and hip hinging and very basic, basic things that you think everybody just knows how to do, you know, like innately they know how to squat. They know how to like hinge in the difference between those two, but it was a very, very much of a learning curve for me to be able to learn how to teach that to people that they just didn't connect to their body like that or they didn't realize how much their body disengaged through this movement. You become a, it's, you know, you're walking around in this shell, this body, and you become a prisoner of it if you don't, you know, take care of these things. Your body, it will learn or it will unlearn things depending on if you do them or if you don't. And if you unlearn them, they're gone. The only way you can get them back is if you consciously try to re-teach the body. And you know, it's a tough place to be in. You don't wanna be stuck in prisoner in this shell that now can't twist or bend over or reach up above their head or whatever. And it doesn't, that's not where it starts, by the way. That's typically after years and years of ignoring other issues or even fitness fanatics. I mean, we have friends in the industry that keep having the same fucking injuries. Like the same back injuries, the same hip injuries. It's like, yo man, you're not listening and at some point you're gonna get an injury so bad that now you're gonna be screwed. You're not gonna be able to rehab it. It's especially true of people in our space who tend to do this over and over type of thing. And it's like, you think you're saving time by not spending any energy doing these things, but the reality is you're costing yourself a lot of time. And not only that, but you're also costing yourself a lot of performance along the way. So we mentioned our free guides. If you go to mindpumpfree.com, you can see all of them and you can download all of them. They all cost nothing and there's no limit to how many of you can get. So go to mindpumpfree.com and check those out. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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