 Hey guys, how's it going? Meet typewise. Hi. This is a live demo Hey guys, this is David. I'm the co-founder of a typewise Bringing you to the 21st century Maybe you've wondered Why you're still using a typewriter Technology on on your smartphone and we're heard to change that so very glad to be on the show Nice. I'm just gonna switch over to to one of those videos you have on your YouTube channel So you have a special design for the layout, right? Exactly, that's one of the things you will notice I mean the big like a big challenge that that we have on our phones And and we use those to type quite a lot Is that keys are small and that's why we make a lot of typos according to his study from uni Cambridge One of the five words that we type on our phones contain typos and for many people That's annoying or it can even be embarrassing if you send out a a wrong message and our Hexagonal layout, um, which we've also patented Makes keys 70 larger and um together with some smart technology That's now coming out with typewise 3.0 next week We achieve up to four times fewer typos than you get on your regular iphone or android keyboard I just saw in this video that it goes from the honeycomb back to a kind of like a more standard or Is that just showing the difference between the different Keyboards you always use the honeycomb for your keyboard No, you're right. We have both options. Um, we understand that like using the honeycomb takes about a week To to learn it to get used to it and we understand that not every user Is willing to do that so we offer both both options But also the standard layout comes with a lot of benefits such as this wiping gestures would have shown you at the beginning The improved auto correction tax predictions and of course 100 privacy, which is very important So so it's a free app. It's on android ios Yes, so it's uh, you can download it for free. You can use it for free. There are no ads We don't collect your typing data. Um, there is a premium version Um, so for example, you will see it in in this video one of the key Benefits of going premium Is that you can type in multiple languages at the same time? Um, so I think uh, I'm just showing it here. I mean a few seconds Uh, so especially for for a lot of people that use english At yeah, here you see it. There's a language flag and that just switches when type wise recognizes. Hey Um, you're using another language. Um, so this is automatic and this is one of the premium features And there are other things such as customizing the the colors many advanced settings That you can then do the upgrade and you've been uh It's been launched for uh, is it four three four years now or what's the Because I saw your first video is where was it four years ago? Yeah, so the The back stories. Um, yes, we did start of like four years ago with a kickstarter Yeah, you see rio keyboard that it's it was like a prototype that we did in our spare time um, it's it was very basic i'm at the beginning and We just saw hey, there were actually quite quite a few people that that enjoyed it Even though it was in in now looking back quite like quite a shitty product And uh, we then said in the end of 2019. Hey, let's do this full time And uh, we we invested a bit of our own money in in a building like a like a real product And we then launched type wise as the real version at in in december 2019 So it has been out for about 15 months And the next week we have the the next big I'm like app release coming out And uh, one of the big things you're doing is the ai that goes around it or You really uh, you can confirm that you you have a better ai than what google is doing and Swift type or how do how does that possible? Yes, um, it's a fair question. So, um, we work together with uh, eth Zurich, um with the ai center We have a uh a as a government Like funded research grant So what we do Or what we are launching now next week is a is a totally new auto correction technology And um, if you look at benchmarks, um, which we've done together with the university You will see that we we better like we correct better Than what a gboard? Correct. Yeah, it's it's it's not three times better than than than gboard, but it is it it is significantly better Better than and then a swift key and the reason why it's better Is that we we also look at like for us, it's also important not just that the That the keyboard corrects a lot, but also that it doesn't do any wrong corrections Because the user it's very annoying if you write something and the keyboard starts correcting this to something else and You don't want that. So for example, we include now an undo button Where if the correction is wrong, you can just tap that undo button and then the keyboard learns from you And that's how we combine user interface and ai to to like bring those two things together and to to offer the best possible user experience Uh, how's a honeycomb compared to the most traditional? Is there like more rows or it's just the same bigger and a little bit like Different angles and stuff. Uh, how difficult is it to get used to it? Yes, so it's very It's very similar in the way of the key positions So maybe the the the reason why honey come um, the reason is that our finger prints On the touchscreen are round and so the key shape should be as round as possible Which you achieve perfectly with honey like with with uh, um hexagonal keys um Changing the the the position of of of the characters doesn't really help much There there are also studies by by university of helsinki That that looked at that and and and we we understood that this is not this is not helping much using their models Um, so that's why we said, hey, we we used the better key shapes to reduce typos But we keep the key arrangement as close as possible to to courty So to make the the the learning and adaptation phase, um easy, so it takes about a week um What we've also done is we've put for example space keys in the middle because those we use actually the most I think in english language over 20 percent Of key usage or space keys, so they should be maybe we can switch to uh to the camera so we you can show while you talk about it Yeah, absolutely. Let's do that now. I don't see myself, but I hope that this is yeah So you can see here in the middle are the space keys. Um, oh in the middle Yeah, um, so they're like in the resting position of your thumb Um another feature is we have you can swipe up on the ladder to like capitalize it So I don't have a shift Um like a shift key, but I just capitalize by swiping up which saves time And then of course our delete A short swipe deletes one letter And along or swipe you can delete as much as you want and if you delete it too much You just go back and until you find the sweet spot and there you go Um, so it's really thought about. Hey, how can we use? Swipe gestures to to to make the the use of the keyboard more more intuitive What's happening in the bottom where where I see this is a microphone icon and the world Is that a big space bar? Yeah, that's no that's just ios standard So i'm on an iphone and that's just given by the system Ah, so so apple don't let you play in that area or nope. No, okay, so it's different on the android Absolutely, no So, um Then on an android you would have the the the mic icon as something in the different corner Yes, so voice to type is something that um, we have on our roadmap. Um, we so for us Like the specialty of rai is that everything runs on the device So, um, there is no typing data, um sent You know across the internet Um, so if you're using privacy friendly applications such as signal messaging, for example, it's also important that the keyboard And that you're using to type is also private and that's what you can get with type wise And the same then goes for voice typing So for us, it's important that when we release this feature that it also supports on device privacy So this is coming in the future And uh all this ai stuff it just works offline Yeah, so we obviously train the ai with large amounts of data beforehand And then when you install the app it already works in 40 languages So we support english, french, spanish, german and 30 36 other languages And then the ai starts learning from you How you type as a user But that learning that happens exclusively on your device How do you switch to the more standard mode? Um, so you can do that in in this menu Where you also have the languages that you selected and then you have a button here Um, and then you just switch to the standard mode And you would still say that the standard mode for you your keyboard is better than the g board and the swift With the version three that's coming in on the 28th of april. Yes So what's happening on 28th of april? Yeah, yeah, no um, so uh, I mean We are um releasing type y is a 3.0 So this is coming out. Um, obviously what exactly uh, is it is in it? That's will be revealed on the 28th But what I can say is that it contains a completely new ai auto correction technology, which we have developed with um, eth Zurich, um, for which we have filed a patent for um, and uh, which will dramatically also improve the experience that you will get with a traditional layout So when you go back to the honeycomb, um, what's your uh, what's your research? What's your science telling you in terms of Uh hitting the characters more correctly? Is that like the is that the smart idea of doing a honeycomb? Is that why the bees are doing honeycomb stuff or nothing to do with it? Yeah, no, I mean one of so the There are different components of the science one component is that you can just look at the the fingerprints and the way we hit the keys and or think and the like with the The hexagons they basically maximized the distance between the center of of the letters So if you compare it to a courty where you have 10 Characters in the same row the distance between those character centers becomes very narrow And that's why most mistakes happen to the left or to the right of a given key And we maximize the distance which reduces the errors Um, that's one part of the science the other part of the science is using Um side like the the um existing scientific models that um try to optimize Typing speed also for laptop keyboards and applying those models to the smartphone And that then helped us determining the position of the keys The third piece of science is an actual user testing and and doing ab testing Which we've done um over quite a amount of time And then the fourth piece of of evidence comes with a large typing study done by the university of cambridge Where they've looked at 37 000 people and how they type and we've then also had our users type wise users perform The same exact test And we were able thus to compare The results of different keyboards also against type wise and how everything, you know actually performs at the end This is a us configuration right now Um German actually, um German can you is it easy for you to switch to us? Um, I thought it was a us a little flag on the Yes, so we decoupled the language from the From the layout composition because i'm used to a quartz type of layout So I like to have the z up here and the y down there But I still would like to write in english So I don't want my keyboard configuration to switch when I change my language So to do that I can I can open the the type wise app Just bear with me And um, you will have here beautiful This is then the app and you have here the settings where you can select your um default layout You can select your languages Um, and then the default language determines the keyboard layout. So in my case, this is german. That's why I have a qordy a a a a quartz another qordy if I were to drag english on top Um, then obviously that would change. Can we see that how it looks? Absolutely So then you have a qordy And if you were to use french you would get an a zirty layout for example So the q is is a little bit lower than the w and that's on purpose the way it's designed, right? Yeah, that's just the way um We can like the hexagons work and how we can maximize the space. We didn't want to make the keyboard larger I mean, you could also make a keyboard that occupies your entire smartphone screen, but then I think that defeats the purpose So we had the constraint of the keyboard size And within that constraint we maximized the use of the actual letters So that people can type as fast as possible with as with as much accuracy as possible So we have comments coming in from the chat 6355 is asking I need to also have check And typical special characters previewed as second layer on the default keys What can you say about that? Yeah, I mean it's the same in german So we have here we have to you and then um, you can You can you can just swipe between those and it basically displays Those special characters that are Existent in the languages that he selected so I have german and spanish And that's why I have those two so type wise picks picks the ones that are relevant to your language And uh, he also asked no want to see a hexa actual usb keyboard Is that this is that this secret project for uh for uh the 28th of april? Yeah, um, I it's a fair question. I think The the benefit of the hexagons are really for touch screens and and for two like for two thumb typing Let's put it that way For 10 finger typing I think the quality It's I mean you don't need hexagonal key shapes per se Because you have physical keys like you have this haptic feedback you get from the keyboard And I think there are other keyboards like dvorak, which have I think optimized A a keyboard layout for 10 fingers. It takes about three months to learn But if you want to be as fast as possible on on 10 finger, then I think there are options out there already But but but we really built this for tooth. I'm typing on a smartphone type device But over there at your at your headquarter r&d center, maybe the university partnership or something you already have the The honeycomb usb keyboard, right? I'm talking. Yeah. Yeah. Look. I mean For for us the future is Rather hey where like where does the future of typing go? um, and That is more about well, why do I have to when I type when I type a text? I basically have to type letter by letter. I'm basically dictating to the computer of how to spell my words And we think this is this is very cumbersome um So I think the the the future will more will go more into the direction of of of the system anticipating How I may complete my sentence and if this is accurate I can type multiple words with one single click On the smartphone on the desktop So we think this is rather the the type of innovation that that we will see and maybe eventually we we won't have keyboards anymore As we know them today um And and this is really the direction that we see our next five. They've been around for what 100 years When is the typewriter 150 years 150? That's crazy. That's awesome. It's a good. Uh, good invention uh, the Yeah Absolutely, but I'm I don't think the guy had a patent on it. Um, so I think there were parallel um, um inventions happening in that space and I don't think there was a multi-billionaire created out of that invention. Um But I think different pieces that just um continued existing I don't think they had billions back in the 80s. No, but now they would probably uh It didn't really exist. Uh, so, um, somebody says we would lose lose the gestures if it was physical Yeah, you would or you wouldn't yeah, I think if it was physical you would lose the gestures. Um Absolutely, but it will look dope. Yeah, that could be So, uh, do you have like a community of users that are enthusiastic? Um, I I would love to say so. Yes. I mean, we we do Have a a right now. They're still separate between ios and android. Um, we we are obviously Very much in touch also with our users in terms of in terms of features and feedback and we try to involve them Um, obviously, there are always more ideas than than what we can Deliver so that's why we have also a feature platform where people can vote So we so then we kind of know. Hey, what is maybe just one guy's opinion versus what are maybe 500 people saying? um, we also closed a investment round last year and Are are looking at raising another round this year, which also helps us now to get a bit more speed In terms of development Onto the road. So I like to see more features coming out more more frequently How do you how do you expand? How does that work? Uh, when you have an investor? How did this? How do you Most efficiently use the investment to improve the product? Yeah, I think um, one is we're big right right now in terms of geographies we focus on On the let let's say latin speaking world. Um, so we have not ventured out to asia in the uh, um the middle east Um, just to kind of focus, but I think it's still like a very large market Um, the way we we improve the product. I think it's it's uh, it's three things Of course, um my co founder janis who also invented let's say, um the product I think he always has new ideas So that's one source then we have the user community which is which is a a a second source Um, sometimes there are new possibilities created by better hardware by by updates from from ios and androids Um, and then it's always about testing these things. Yeah, that's that's for us very important That we always tested in the product. We see what what works better So we have a very active beta community where we can test new features We can see how to make them ready Also to like launch in the market. Um, and that's basically how we improve the product Your your audio. I think your audio is sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. I've muted myself Is it possible that uh, uh, one of the scenarios that are uh attractive for a business like yours is maybe At some point that it's so cool that one of the companies like samsung or huawei wants to default Put it in Yeah, I mean that's I think that's a very valid growth growth scenario If you look at a company like swithki, um, which in the end got acquired for a substantial amount of money by by microsoft Um, that's the path they took right they grew on the app stores And then eventually they were integrated into certain phones and that's how they um, they grew much faster Um, I think for us, this is obviously a valid scenario. We are um in in early discussions with different large companies on that Um, I think you need a very mature product. So I would like to say that with type wise three Um, we we are one step closer to that I think there's still a few things that we would like to get done in the next coming months Um, but I think for us, this is definitely um a a important strategic um step to take And so there's a comment here. Uh, sure, but you don't have the smaller smaller row of characters like, uh, these things they're Uh upper right corner. What can you say about that? Yep. Um, so special characters, um, it's it's it's a fair point. Um, so right now the way it works is, um It's two things. Um, so we have Sorry, um, we have these special character buttons. Um, which produce Up to four characters depending on on how you press it So we put the most frequently used characters directly on the main layer So you can press the dot you can uh swipe up for a comma You can long press it or you can long press it and swipe up and that's how you get the four characters, which works quite well Um, then if you tap the one two three you get basically this this combo Um, now what we've seen is that this might be a bit. Whoa Um, and it's sometimes not so quick and especially what we've seen Is that different users use very different special characters? So we still don't have all the special characters that exist. So sometimes we get requests for very exotic ones Um, so we're releasing a a new concept of how you can very very quickly Um type special characters and I think these number the the number row that you've just mentioned is also part of that request Um, so I can just say stay tuned For a future update and in in in the next two to three months And we will have something very cool for you Would it make sense to have uh, let's say people learned the the the letters With your honeycomb, but then maybe they want to do the special characters in a more traditional way And so it would switch back and forward automatically between the traditional four special characters And then the letters in honeycomb Yeah, absolutely. I think um on on like the honeycomb is great for for for for typing But typically when you type special characters, you're not typing 20 in a row I I think nobody well, I don't say nobody maybe some people can but I personally could never remember where they are And you usually just need one or two Um, so I think there it's more about highlighting the ones that you actually use So I think the special characters could become a bit more user specific Um, and then it's maybe also not that big a benefit of having honeycomb for special characters at all. Yeah And so there's a lot of potential customization happening there, right? Absolutely, yeah And how how is it to have such a an app products and all these feature requests and trying to put them in Uh, is it kind of like uh, I guess it's it's not so easy sometimes no to get stuff done and you have to prioritize the roadmap Yeah, I think there we have found um a good way So we obviously work very stringent in like scrum methodology and uh, we have bigger objectives for like every quarter And then we we see every week what we get done to um to reach those objectives um Obviously it's sometimes sad when you have to keep telling people hey, it's coming later It's coming later But if they're more important or if we believe they're more important things to get done first Then that's just the way it is I think if you communicate transparently, um, that's the best thing we can do Um, I think the other thing is you also have the expectations from the investors to keep growing the business So obviously that's also puts puts uh put some stress um Also on on on the commercial side of the team But um, that's I think then then the route you choose and I think it's it's also interesting to say hey We actually We actually do have the ambition of I mean not having just one million downloads but like a hundred million downloads and uh, not in 20 years from now, but like in three to four years from now so this is obviously interesting and uh um, I think it's always been tough when it actually gets on You delivering this and um It's I think always a mix of having a great team Um of of having great support Of of doing of doing it the best way you can then I think you also need a little bit of luck To to be at the right time in the right place. So you you are in switzerland, right? Yeah Can you explain uh the the science behind why logitech is the best in like keyboards and mouse and stuff How is that possible that they have all these like and there is Uh, maybe I'm not an expert, but I it always feels like the logitech stuff is like it's great Like there's really good like research behind the the stuff and So maybe you can do the same thing but for uh for virtual keyboards Yeah, absolutely. I think what what logitech and it's and you can also look at another industry, which is like elevators Um, which is a bit different, but I I spent some time in there We're also like there's a swiss company, which is the second largest globally and they just have very high quality Um, I think the swiss Yeah, maybe this or or like watches. Um, it's maybe a third industry. So the swiss I think they are Or we are um renowned for just high high precision um technology and and with a keyboard it's so important because on average we have over um 2000 Um characters um per day um that we hit and that's an average and people that type a lot. It's maybe 10 000 um So there's many many many of these points and each of these points need to work 100 perfectly even after you've hit the same On a physical keyboard, even if you have to hit the same key 100 000 times It has to work exactly the same way And with a software product It's also like the the smartphone keyboard app gets opened 80 times per day If it crashes ones out of these 80, that's horrible That's like your keyboard crashes once a day. That shouldn't be the case So I think there also probably like quality and the whole architecture becomes super important Something that in another app if you open it once a week and it crashes every 80 times That's like one time per year that doesn't matter, but with a keyboard it does So maybe that's how we as a swiss company can bring those qualities forward Sometimes I think that uh, you know like smartphones are totally crazy amazing and they ship 4 billion of them or something like that But uh, often they're like the the perfect uh use of those smartphones are not yet realized because just some companies haven't come yet with The right killer apps and now you're trying to be one of those killer apps Yeah, I think I think what we've done so far I would I would say it's only the beginning. I mean the keyboard can do so much more than typing Because the keyboard is almost your your interface and it's always there across all the apps So you could also start thinking well The keyboard sometimes can anticipate maybe what I want to do and it could offer me shortcuts to to certain apps So if I'm in one app and I want to get an I need information from another app Maybe with instead of switching apps and go look for that information. Maybe the keyboard can be my Let's say my my centerpiece Where I can put those different things together So we have some ideas where we're in discussions with with potential partners on on how to make it like a hub Of of the user um device interaction Do you think something could be done in terms of combining the voice input? with quickly Most efficiently correcting the mistakes that are in a voice input Absolutely, and I wonder if there's something that should be thought of in terms of the keyboard aspect of that Yeah, I think this is um We're also we we kind of have to decide whether Boy like when is the right time to um to the tackle voice? Should we do it ourselves? Should we work with someone? But I absolutely agree. I think our auto correction Is very helpful. We've also seen for example with ocr scanning Our auto correction from the keyboard can reduce The mistakes from an ocr scanner by 50 percent So it's a very similar type of technology and the same you can use for voice And what's very interesting for voice if you say hey the keyboard knows how the user types And now my voice to text can also use that information. So for example certain names Um, if I say I'm charbox. I don't even know if I pronounced that correctly What is charbox that that that's not a typical word you would find in the dictionary So a voice to text. I don't know it like if your voice to text engine is able to spell it correctly I'm always like uh, people call me starbucks. Yeah Um, but then you could say hey because you wrote that two three times Um, and the the keyboard also knows Where in the sentence if you say hey, my name is charbox And you then wrote that a few times and then the keyboard can use that information for the voice to text Um, and where the voice to text engine fails the keyboard can supply that information Yeah, because uh, I really like the the voice input is like kind of impressive But the problem is there's always two three four five mistakes in the In the text and the problem is it it kind of like takes more time to find the errors And fix them But if there's some kind of way where I can speak them in but I can at the same time Kind of like fiddle with the mistakes And you know like some kind of thing like that then maybe I would use it more Hmm No, I could but you basically highlight you where the system is uncertain Um, you can maybe do some correction right away and where it's uncertain You can highlight and you can offer you even options and you can just select and maybe go through those five things And the message and I think one of the big uh Things is that every time you have to go click the Speaker button again and click the arrow to put it in the right place speaker button again But maybe you could kind of like constantly speak type speak type and it kind of like a flow. Okay. This is like again one of those Uh thousands of different future requests you might have and Can you give a little bit background of what what's your What's your story and like is this is this the first project you've done or you've done a whole bunch of stuff Hey, we have I mean with my co-founder. We've worked together before but we had it was a services business So we had an online marketing agency Um as a site as a side gig But we know each other like since high school and my my own background is then in in in like management consulting so I have helped companies Like launch digital products and think about how to move from like offline to online and So that's also my role within within type wise But my co-founder Jen is he on like He was he was a data scientist So he dealt with a lot of data hence his uh his his capabilities with with ai And he also in his baritone. He actually built a couple of products. So he had once like a music recognition Like product he built that then categorized I think your songs into the right genres and said if it's electronic or hip-hop and so forth Um, so from a very early age, he he he he actually did that. Yeah, and that's how I think we also work together actually this kind of shazam stuff I was I was thinking how awesome that is that this tech tech can I guess there's a voice signatures and all these in a huge database somewhere that somehow Can be accessed that has all the I guess they also use it all the time on youtube For doing the content id and stuff Yeah, this is awesome tech What about privacy? I always think the keyboards apps are spying for the swiss government. I'm joking And that would not be a problem. I think our our secret service is not very sophisticated Yeah, no, I mean that's that that's for us the the big thing so the keyboard How the keyboard works is you have two components You have the app that you can open and then but that's only the app with the settings and and and our little on-boarding game And then you have the keyboard extension, which is available in all your other apps when you're typing And for type wise the keyboard extension Runs like it's completely sandboxed So there's no information leaving that keyboard extension So the type wise app has no access to whatever you've done in the keyboard extension And hence nothing like nothing is locked I mean it's locked within the keyboard itself so that you have to learning And the keyboard gets better, but even ourselves and no other third-party app is able to access the information On on apple the proof is that we don't require we don't even have the option to turn on full access Which is basically that trigger that then the system allows the keyboard to be accessed By by the app and we don't even have that option And for android the permissions work a bit differently, but also there the keyboard is completely sandboxed And and hence yeah, there is no keylogger activity going on sometimes I think people underestimate i mean i love google right google is awesome But people underestimate how much information they get from just a simple thing like the keyboard i'm sure they they They get trillions of data inputs on every user Just because they're kind of like Monitoring the keyboard or that's i mean they're officially doing that right or And they also monitor when people just use google maps and navigate and all that stuff They kind of they just optimize their ads i mean Hopefully they're not doing anything That's like totally evil But they're like just optimizing the ads right, but there's a lot of that stuff happening over there Yeah, so i mean google says they're they're using a technique called federated learning where they're not directly Transmitting your typing data, but they try to optimize the ai on your device already and then only send Those they call it learning increments across the internet Um, but still i mean google's business model is built around um, you know learning from the users and and optimizing their ads that's how they make money um and There is a third like there's a second category of keyboard apps and i think uh on on the screenshot you've shared They were on the very right side um No, we've actually taken them out because they were banned from from from google play So there were a couple of apps touchpal cheetah keyboard keega keyboard That acquired like hundreds of millions of downloads um, there were many of those were chinese made More are chinese made and then um it over different years They they were then uncovered to actually have done a bit more um more stuff So they worked with advertising networks. They sold user data Um to them what exactly they sold it's not it's not very clear But it's clear that they did and then they got kicked out from from google play But the crazy thing is they always come back. Yeah, they come back with a new app which says like, uh xx keyboard 2021 and they're back in in in google play and within a few weeks They have again 20 million downloads because they pour in money into that um there there's a keyboard they even defrauded clients they they they They did in-app purchases That the user didn't do and they defrauded their clients of at least 18 million us dollars And then they recovered to have done that and then they even did it more Until google kind of kicked them out and now they're back with a new app And so i feel most users are not aware these apps often have 4.5 store ratings Which they're probably also buying um So there is actually a a a quite big I would say number number of of keyboard apps that don't come from the very very big companies But somewhere in between and there I would be very careful as a user If if you value your privacy uh one thing i'm wondering is uh if uh Because these these actually these permission things that are introduced huge Versions of android ago. I don't know. Maybe it's already five six years ago, right that You you you can see exactly kind of like what each app is allowed to do and stuff But it'd be nice if you could just disable a bunch of stuff but still use the app, right? I don't know if that's even possible. I guess the app don't don't even install if you don't Accept the whole thing sometimes Well, apple is now with uh with ios 14.5. They're pushing that So that you can turn off Like the uh like average like advertising tracking So that obviously makes business models more more difficult We have such a feature is called the offline mode and with the offline mode you turn off any sort of Like between the app And and type wise so the keyboard is anyway separate, but the app itself we do um Like you also have internet access to like load the game and so forth And there we have this offline mode which you can switch on and then The keyboard just in not the keyboard, but the app just also gets a completely sandboxed Nice I'd like to see some uh some phones like the cosmo communicator that I have uh got over there And some other cool new phones that should have physical keyboards But there's always a mode that people want to use it You know like upright And and uh because a long time ago I always thought maybe it'd be great if people were typing one this way But it's just it's not a good idea right because it's taking too much screen is a real estate, right? But Maybe there should be combos of that and hopefully some some people make a great Physical keyboard phone that also has your keyboard for the upright mode because you still want to use it Let's upright as a bunch of a lot of maybe even more than Half of the time Okay, but that's that's a different story Yeah, I mean I used to I I had to use a blackberry uh from Like in in one of my previous jobs and I was very happy when I when we moved to the iphone. I think this is uh, I don't know I'm not a big fan of it of these type of keyboards Cool. So, uh, how many downloads so far? Hey, we uh It's it's on the website that we've passed 900,000. Um, so we're obviously looking for the big milestone soon So this is coming after this video. I'm sure No, absolutely another hundred thousand All right, and then on the 28th you will have some kind of announcement, right? Yeah, exactly all right Cool, that's that's awesome. Okay, so Thanks a lot. Thanks. Yeah, it was a pleasure. Um Thanks everybody for commenting and sending some cool questions And people can check it out On your just on the play store just go there on the I store what they call it an Apple store. Yeah, exactly. Yeah type wise you will find that Um, you can you can get it for free. Um, obviously you can try the premium It's also there's a trial and you can just try it out if it's for you And I'm always very happy to to hear any feedback you may have Sometimes it goes from one million downloads to 10 million pretty fast, huh? We'll see Yeah, it's uh, I there there are these, uh, I mean flexion points where I think I don't know if it's from one if it's one already or if it's after two three Or suddenly the community becomes big enough. Um, and your brand is has some has some more Yeah, there's just more word out there What's the price to buy the pro so you can For 10 euros per year or you can do a one time 25 euros All right Would it make sense to have some kind of thing where you give the pro feature to everybody But you have some kind of other way to make money or you've thought about that already, right? It's just very hard to combine it with privacy. I mean, then you have to work like with advertising networks or things like that Donations is that a wrong idea? Yeah Okay, maybe Yeah, it's uh I think with with software with apps where people are used to, you know, that the apps are free Like that's the thing People are used to that that that those are free. So if you just give it for free most people will just take it So unfortunately, I think we need to have for certain features like a paywall And I also feel it's the most honest thing we say hey These are free and then it's also free and these are paid and those you have to pay And you can try for free if you like it otherwise cancel Like you you cancel the subscription and you don't pay if you don't like it in a given time frame But then that's it and we don't say, ah, it's free but maybe you give up a bit of privacy and I think those for us is like a great territory and we like to keep this one black and white I love youtube premium where I just basically don't see any ads anymore And I wish google would have that on on the whole of google including the app store Some kind of monthly thing people would pay and then apps could include their pro features on that thing if they wanted And then you know, if people pay five or ten dollar per month, they could pretty much get maybe all apps Free kind of it's up to the developers if they want to be part of this But it would be kind of like the netflix model, right? And I think that would be cool if I don't know why google is not doing that yet They should just do something like that But that's and there's a question asking what about Huawei app gallery No, it's uh It's it's a good question. Um There are obviously requests for for that Again, if we look at the volume of of requests, um, it's it's maybe not the top priority There is the the thing is Huawei then requires the developers to use a different You know, like an interface Especially if you have in-app purchases that can quickly use up quite some developer resources and for a couple of weeks And we think we can add more value to the users by actually making the keyboard better First and google play and ios and concentrate on those And if we get once we have more resources, then we can expand geographically or also Into new stores Um, so this is the answer I have to give at this very moment because there's a famous 30 tax Is that I'm not gonna do anything controversial here But I guess it's anything that has to do with in-app purchase is going through that kind of platform, right? You can't just let people play on your website or something Yeah, um, it's not really loud. Yeah, that's the thing and get a 30 discount. You don't want to get on the lawsuit with epic Yeah Even they are trying but apple is just uh, they're hard Yeah, cool. All right. So thanks a lot. Thanks. Thanks again everybody for watching And let's see how it goes from 1 million to 10 million. Maybe this video can help Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Thanks a lot. Thank you