 And this relates to our talk about the construct, the self-concept, that everything it's identified with externally is part of that construct, personhood, world, country, sexuality, male, female and skills, attributes, on and on and on. And it's just like even my idea of God is just part of a construct. Yes, the deceived mind has a projected God. You know, it can be a God of the Old Testament, for instance, where anthropomorphic, given human qualities, of being angry at times, being punitive at times, being loving at other times. This is a projected God, a God of the future even. God will come and someday will save mankind, you know. It's like a hologram. It's like the mind has a hologram of time and space around it to protect it from love. And it has to give up the investment and the belief in the hologram before it can spring into the awareness. So it has to give up even its belief in God. Belief in a projected God, yes. And that is the belief that the mind holds, is the belief in a projected God. So part of the undoing and unlearning is giving up belief in God as the deceived mind holds it. Yes, this can sound on the surface like we're getting into blasphemy. What? Are you telling me to give up my belief in God or stop believing in God? A passage will quickly jump to page 350 in the workbook and read the first sentence, which says, Simply do this, be still and lay aside all thoughts of what you are and what God is. There it is. Very clearly stated in the Course of Miracles of giving up all, laying aside all thoughts of what you are and what God is. And this section about emptying your mind of everything it thinks is either true or false or good or bad, of every thought it judges worthy, and of all ideas of which it is ashamed. Hold on to nothing. This relates to our passage that we're reading on everything you recognize you identify with externals, something outside itself. There is nothing outside the Son of God. There is nothing else that God and creation and the Son's creations, in a sense of abstract light and infinity, are truth or have existence and nothing else does. So this kind of rules out the cosmos. The body cannot know, and while you limit your awareness to its tiny senses, you will not see the grandeur that surrounds you. God cannot come into a body, nor can you join him there. So this rules out the immortality of the body as an idea. Limits on love will always seem to shut him out and keep you apart from him. The body is a tiny fence around a little part of a glorious and complete idea. It draws a circle, infinitely small, around a very little segment of heaven, splintered from the hole, proclaiming that within it is your kingdom, where God cannot enter. And then as we close this reading from the Course, we can jump to the next page, page 365. Do not accept this little fenced off aspect as yourself. In the beginning of the next paragraph, love knows no bodies and reaches to everything created like itself. Its total lack of limit is its meaning. So this really paints a picture for us of the abstractness of the infinite nature of love and of God. And really lays it out that there is no reconciliation between the body and the world and God. That God did not create the body, God did not create the world. But these are temporal, fleeting, changing, and in the sense, in the ultimate sense, therefore have no existence. Because what God created is eternal and changeless, limitless. And only what God created exists. Yes. So you made some reference to the creations of the Son of God. Let's talk about my creations. It comes up repeatedly in the Course, and I notice it's always seemed pretty vague to me. And I guess it would, because the creations are abstract. Yes. And the creations are not known to the deceived mind. It's only when the deceived mind is no longer deceived that the creations will be recognized, will be experienced. An awake mind that knows what creation is and knows what creativity is aware of, that which has come from its extension. And creativity has nothing to do with what might be thought of as creativity in terms of a very creative, artistic, imaginative mind that expresses itself. Creativity has absolutely nothing to do with imagination. In a sense, one could even say that the Course of Miracles is a very creative expression. Pages and pages and pages of Iambic pentameter, Shakespearean blank verse, very poetic verses and so forth. And in the sense of something being very expressive of something much higher, this is often the sense of creativity in this world. Creation and true creativity have nothing at all to do with this world. There's nothing at all to do with the symbols and the forms and images of the world. That's imagination. Creation involves extension, which is another word. In a sense, spirit, begetting spirit, there is increase involved, but it's not a quantifiable increase. In this world, one, two, three, four and more is in a quantifiable sense. But we read about increase. The Kingdom of Heaven and God and His creations are always increasing. Do you have a sense of what that means if it doesn't mean quantifiable? What is that? Well, once again, this is expansive. You could talk about expansive and yet without in a size orientation. I mean, how it's difficult to conceptualize that. But that's precisely the point is that when we speak in words of concepts and try to convey it, revelation is not transferable in terms of words. Revelation is an experience. It's beyond concepts. Creation, creativity in the sense we're speaking of, is able to be experienced, but it is not transferable in the conceptual sense. It can't be transferred through words, but it's a highly personal experience, as the Course tells us in the early part of the text. So to even attempt to explain these things is a sense missing the mark. To explain the creations? Yes, to explain the creations. We have been told that Jesus kind of takes a theoretical stab at it in the sense of explaining it in the text of there being extensions. We can talk about cause and effect of God being the cause and God's creation, Christ being an effect, His effect. And in this sense, this would be like a metaphor or a repetition of that in the sense that the Son has creative ability. And the Son is a co-creator in that sense with having the power of God and having the ability to extend that. That's what creation is to extend, to increase. So the creations are the effect of the Son of God. What comes through to me when I read in various places in the Course about my creations is that there's much joy associated with my creations. Even though it seems at this point I'm not recognizing what those creations are and I can't talk about them. But they do exist and there's much joy associated with my creations. In the sense, the creations exist in the ultimate sense and the veil within the framework of the dream, the veil is drawn between the creations, my creations and my awareness of my creations. In a sense, when the veil is lifted, there is a full awareness or it's just a state of being one with my creations. Do you think there are things in the world that are in some way reflect my creations? Well, the things in the world are part of the veil that literally block the awareness of the creations. In other words, the deceived mind projects out separate things that are seen as separate and apart from the fabric, trees, caterpillars, birds, butterflies, bears, rainbows, bodies. This is the veil that's being seen, this is perception. The creations are part of an experience of a union that literally, when the veil is lifted, are experienced. In that sense, there are no things in this world that are reflections, but there is a way of looking upon the world that is a reflection. If we said that there were specifics like butterflies are reflections of my creations or of God or heaven, we get back into some of the seeing God in specifics in the world, which God knows not form. There are two lessons in the Course. God is in everything I see, followed by God is in everything I see because God is in my mind. In this sense, we're talking about a way of looking or a vision of the Holy Spirit not ordering the world into a hierarchy of illusions, but with that vision seeing the false is false, seeing, instead of separate objects, but just literally a mosaic or a blanket of forgiveness covering all of the seeming perceived separate objects in the world. Or to get to our discussion of the ending of the duality of subject and object that literally from that state of unity, which the Holy Spirit is, or true perception, then the, in a sense, there's the reflection. That is a reflection of love. Still involves perception, so it's not love itself, but it's the reflection or a new purpose given to the projected world. It's kind of an experience of that unity and that oneness can be said to be a reflection. Yes. Just as the unity or oneness that, in a sense, comes through in the Holy Relationship can be said to be a reflection of the oneness, the only oneness that there is. Yes. The Holy Relationship in this world is a learning accomplishment and it's literally unlearning the false ideas and beliefs and learning true perception. And in that sense, it's a reflection of unity, it's a reflection of oneness, but in the ultimate sense, a union or oneness is abstract, is knowledge or heaven. So any time we speak of the perceptual realm, we can speak of the reflection of love or the reflection of... We're always somewhat removed from the whole realm of revelation when we're talking about anything that has a perceptual component in it, is what you're saying. Yeah. Knowledge, I mean...