 Welcome back to Building Tomorrow. I'm here with the entire regular crew this time, Matthew, Will, and Aaron. And if you're like us, you're probably just kicking back from a veritable Thanksgiving feast. You've stuffed your face with all the, well, stuffing, and Turducken, and Tofurky, and sweet potato casserole, your gluttonous little stomach could desire. And after a goodly snooze or food coma, you're going to have to think about the choices you're going to make on the Morrow. Morrow, for it is Black Friday, the busiest shopping day of the year. Or perhaps you're waiting for Cyber Monday, so as to avoid being stamped...stamped. Stomped. Stomped. Tramp-old. Tramp-old. Tramp-old. Just keep going. Hordes of shoppers. Either way, you need to buy something for these special people in your life, as well as your cousin Todd, who is the worst, but you'll feel bad if he gets you a present again this year. and you got him nothing like last year when he, well, wherever I was. Yes, we're finding gifts. It is a staple of the tech media at this time of year to put out a hot tech gadgets for the nerds in your life list. It's fun. It's easy copy, lots of clicks, light reading. We're going to do something slightly different here on Building Tomorrow. Rather than giving you a literal list of gadgets, we're going to proffer our suggestions of the top technologies and innovations that if they become the hot new tech toy of the season and were adopted en masse, like, you know, at Tickle Me Elmo, but for tech toys, they would do the most to transform our lives for the better. We're going to stick to North American tech and innovation because if we didn't, well, as Aaron pointed out, we'd be air dropping smartphones over the developing world. It would just win handily, like no competition, smartphones for everyone. That's not very interesting for a competition. And we're also not going to do an exact gadget or company necessarily. We're thinking about the underlying tech. And we're going to vote for the winners. Guys, you can't vote for your own, vote for someone else's. We can even if we want to be real fancy, we can go like main and do ranked choice voting in the spirit of last month. So let's kick things off with will. What is your hot tech gadget? So I'm going to go with the Fitbit. And now a lot of you think of that as something you wear when you're going to run to track how far you've run or how high your heart rate went while you were doing it. But it has a much more universal, really health centric potential applications. So you wear a device that tracks your heart rate as well as other biosigns over time. And it allows you to create a fairly comprehensive picture of how your body's behaving throughout the day, day in and day out. And this can allow either you or your doctor, perhaps, to begin to identify certain patterns that could then also potentially be aggregated with other people's Fitbit data to see larger societal health patterns where people sleeping well. What do people do before they sleep well versus when they don't have a good night's sleep? And you can provide for the fairly cheap collection of very interesting health data through what is now kind of got to boost the other year as a running killer app. Now they've been trying to move into the smartwatch and mobile payments market. But long-term Fitbit itself as a goal sees the idea of building a service business related to digital health as kind of the long-term quest for the product as are others in that space and firms more on the health side interested in making use of this data. Are you worried about the privacy implications of this, though? By definition, this is very personal data. I am kind of ignoring that, ghosting over it for now. Obviously, another sort of running app that allowed people to compare their runs called Strava earlier this year became a little bit notorious for effectively outlining the perimeters of military bases around the world because as soldiers would jog the fence in the morning, they'd be comparing themselves to others who might have been posted there in the past. And all of this was being posted on the global Strava runs map. So you could see these little glowing lines around facilities say in Syria that officially didn't exist. Now, yes, there is obviously if you were to lose access or control over your individualized that is non-anonymized Fitbit data, someone could know how you're sleeping, when you're active, if you had sex that night, just by looking at your heart rate and other biosigns over time. So there is some concern there, but I think overall the benefits of being able to learn that about yourself which is difficult otherwise and also very expensive people are sent in for sleep studies or to go and wear a heart monitor over lunch for a week. And these not only take folks out of the rest of their lives, a lot of people don't want to do that, take the time to do that. So they just don't get the treatment they perhaps would otherwise. And it simplifies all of this collection. I would think in theory you can aggregate this, right? So you can strip out identifying personal information and being like you're then being compared against the faceless mass of data kind of like you do with 23andMe. Like yes, in theory 23andMe there's a risk of privacy breach if that information gets leaked about your genetic makeup, but they strip out your personal identifying information so that other people can be compared not against you as an individual but against the aggregated profile. So I imagine the same thing can be identified local trends that way as well. How much worse are people sleeping thanks to the new highway built next to their development? And you aren't then dealing just with individual anecdotes from people in that community, but you can really look at how long they were sleeping for, how long they were in REM cycles across numerous individuals within that space. And you have natural control groups as well. Yeah. So this is like a case of something that's underutilized right now. I mean like lots of people have Fitbits, but it's kind of like they're glorified step counters. Yes, the infrastructure that you would need for these sort of health facing or health-centric applications isn't there yet. It's coming, but obviously the wider Fitbit and similar devices are adopted now. The more of a market there will be for those sorts of uses of that data down the road. And if you buy all of your relatives a Fitbit for Christmas, then we can move incrementally towards that healthier world. Nice. All right. I like it. So our first entry here is the Fitbit, maybe not specifically, but a Fitbit-like device, a health tracker for improving consumer health. Our next entry is a little bit different. So it's not a literal device, it's software rather than device innovation. It's end-to-end encryption. Do I have that right, Feeny? No one wants to get software for Christmas. No one wants to be told that they're overweight and slow for Christmas. So, and unlike the previous nomination, this one actually takes privacy into account. So if I could airdrop devices or software to families in America, it would be services that allow for people to engage in end-to-end encrypted communication. There are services out there such as Proton Mail and Tutonota, which are email services that allow people to end-to-end encrypt their emails. There are messaging services like Signal and Wicca, WIRE that I know all four of us use here at Cato. And the great thing about this is easy to use, low cost, but with very high benefits, a lot of great benefits, namely protection against surveillance. The sad state of affairs is that emails don't enjoy as much protection as we would like, thanks to legislation and Supreme Court precedent. So in the name of privacy and increased security, I would wish that everyone around Thanksgiving tables and Christmas gatherings and everything in between sign up for a low cost or even free end-to-end encrypted service. That's my nomination. So you go into your grandma's email account, set her up with a VPN client or a tour or something, and here you go, grandma, here's your... Yeah, it depends how much you want to get into the weeds. You could do a whole lot of... You could really go a little crazy with services like this, but in fact, many listeners probably already use this technology and don't know it if they use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, iMessage, right. But I think it's worth people getting out there to see the other cool services that are out there. So that would be my holiday wish. That's pretty good. Anyone care to piggyback on back on top of that? So Wills has the effects. There's all these health effects in the aggregate, and if everyone's using this stuff. But for the consumer, for the person who gets the fit bit, aside from if it tells them that they're wildly out of shape and just makes them depressed, but you get... It's a neat little thing for the person to have. Is that the case with the end-to-end encrypted? So you're basically saying, grandma, I'm going to switch you from Gmail to Proton Mail, and there's no real benefit to you in terms of the day-to-day use. But it means that you're more secure. Does this make sense? What's the consumer hook that makes the consumer want to use this stuff outside of we in this room are all paranoid libertarians who don't want the government snooping? No, well, I don't think that privacy insecurity is something that only paranoid libertarians need or desire. It's true that it's not as easy to show off in a coffee shop that you have to probably open up your smartphone and show the app. And some people might think, isn't that just not that much different from Gmail? And also signal with stickers like you have all over the back of your laptop. Yeah, I like stickers on my laptop. And then they make sure to really work you over at security. I've been rather happy with how I've been treated by the federal government's airport security personnel. The accent makes you come off as trustworthy. I don't usually talk during this. But yes, I get what you're saying. It's not a new product in the way that a Fitbit is. You can't hold it in your hand or an orb of encryption. You can't do that. But I think the selling point is enough to get people interested. Of course, if you go to Grandma and say, hey, here's a free tutor note or a proton mail account. And they say, oh, why do I need that? I guess it's a good excuse to talk about the sad state of affairs when it comes to privacy in the United States. But yeah, it's not something you can flash around. That's for sure. Do you see any physical products designed to offer those sorts of services? Like either a router you can buy that attempts to encrypt everything that runs through it, or even, I don't know, I'm imagining some kind of 5G hotspot you can wear as a necklace that then your phone connects to that. Yeah, that's a good question. Did it make it sexier in a way? You could have an orb of encryption. It would also put you on a few more radars, I suppose, if there was... No one can look at my iPhone and see that I have certain apps or services. I'm pretty happy with that state of affairs, I have to say. I mean, to some extent, though, you mentioned the iPhone. That is exactly what you're describing. I mean, this is a device and this is the case for other... I mean, I think Android phones do this now too, that the whole device itself, everything on it is encrypted and doesn't decrypt until you enter in your passcode. And the default messaging service that it comes with, iMessage, which I think is one of... If you consider messaging services as social networks, it's one of the largest social networks in terms of daily traffic in the US. Well, I think an added benefit to at least my present proposal is that it prompts excuses for interesting conversations. I don't want to bash Google necessarily, right? So Google produces products that a lot of people like and are really good and easy to use. But I think if you actually introduced every adult in America to the kind of interesting companies and services that are out there, we would just live in a more interesting world with people actually having more urgent conversations about security and privacy. Here's maybe a selling point to get the security skeptical. The folks who aren't paranoid enough, like good rational folks like us, you can hook them on the idea of ISP switching, right? So you can say, hey, look, do you like the shows that you see on Netflix or on Amazon Prime or on any of these other services? Well, did you know that if you just use a VPN client or an ISP switching client, you can access a whole new world of content on other national Netflixes, other shows, you can watch football games for free, you can watch, right? So all of which is legal. It's not illegal to mask your ISP, basically what your computer identifies itself as. So not only are you giving them security, they're using a client that obscures who they are and what they're doing on the internet. You're also giving them access to new stuff, stuff that ordinary consumers like and want. So something I will add, not that I think I need to, because I think I'm probably getting more votes in Fitbit at this point, but we'll see. We should attach a survey. Good luck. We'll see. I find, and this is totally anecdotal, that there's this frustrating degree of reluctance to do anything about the state of surveillance. The Snowden revelations come out and everyone sort of rolls their eyes and they think, well, what am I supposed to do about that? I can't give up email and I'm not going to stop using the internet on my phone and I'm not going to stop going outside. So what should I do about this? And actually, I think not enough people know that there are really cheap, low cost, low barrier entry ways of protecting themselves, but very few, comparatively few people do it and I think that's a shame. Decoder ring costs about $3 and you can get pigeons for free anywhere. Right. Well, you're only allowed to have one nomination will. So you can put in coding rings and pigeons as well. Well, and to your point, I mean, it's actually gone pretty mainstream, the idea that you shouldn't just leave your laptop, camera unexposed. I mean, it's now become ordinary for folks to tape over it. Now manufacturers are building in little physical manual slides. So something that five years ago, people did respond to with, like, what's wrong with you, paranoia, paranoiacs, that you're worried about that. That stuff can become accepted and even expected and end to end encryption is one of those things that you can see. It's in the near future. People are just going to demand it as a matter of course. Hope so. Yeah. Well, there's a natural segue, I think, here between what Matthew's proposing with end to end encryption and Aaron, your idea. So pitch us your gift of the season. Sure. So this does pick up with the end to end encryption and expands upon it a fair amount, which is the decentralized web. And so my, the products that I pick is decentralized web browsers slash clients. So there's a number of them out there. There's the status.i.m is one, I think Coinbase has Coinbase Wallet, I believe it's called, that is another that used to be called Tashi was the product that I think they bought. But there's a handful of these things. And basically what they are is a crypto wallet, usually an Ethereum wallet that can hold Ethereum tokens of various kinds. A end to end encrypted messaging platform that's sometimes built on their open protocols that are kind of part of the associated with Ethereum that gets built on. And then an ability to connect to what are called decentralized web apps, which are basically like regular web pages. But the data, your data as you're browsing them, as you're using them, as you log into them is controlled by you. So you're not really, they're kind of spread out more than, and the way that they're run is different so that they're harder to shut down. There isn't a centralized server that someone could go and turn off all of Facebook because it's living across different things. So you get the effects that Matthew is talking about. I mean, you could not, it's not email, it's instant messaging, but you could certainly, you could build a decentralized email platform of a sort into this thing and have access to it. And these are usually mobile apps, but there's desktop versions as well. But you also are getting the crypto thing, so you can do things like, basically, so status has what amounts to Venmo, like a Venmo client, but you're sending each other Ethereum tokens or other kinds of tokens instead. And you can be browsing what looks like the regular web, but is in this kind of decentralized, more private, more robust setup that is less accessible to government snooping, government shutting down, and so on. Will rolled his eyes when I mentioned this. I was just going to ask whether Mastodon would, does that meet your high bar for decentralized services? It's an attempt to decentralize Twitter, so anyone can create their own Mastodon server and run a Mastodon instance, which is like, it's basically, it's basically like kind of email reskinned to be Twitter. So your servers would be like having an email server, but then they can, the servers can talk to each other. So you can, you know, your tweets on it get sent out to the other people who are following you. And so you can switch servers and different servers can have different rules about, you know, this is the kind of content we're going to moderate or we're going to allow or, you know, this is the advertiser we're going to show or not. Yeah, I mean, the difference with these D apps is that they have, they have the wallet address is part of it, that you have, you kind of have an identity that you can carry between them that's based on your, the keys in your wallet. And tied to payments somehow? It can be tied to payments because it's the same wallet address that is the wallet address for payments. But so there's, there's slightly technical, there's technical differences on the back end, but if from the consumer standpoint, these are similar sorts of things. And I picked this one, so in part because the, the conceit of this episode was if, if this was what was given to everyone, what would you, you know, like, so that you kind of are waving your magic wand and suddenly everyone in the US is using this thing. And right now these products, I fully confess kind of suck. Like there's, you know, as, as instant messengers, they're a little bit slow compared to other, to, to, you know, Facebook Messenger or whatever, they don't have as many features. The apps are a little bit feel more in development. A lot of them are still in beta status. And no one else is on them. It's hard to talk to your friends on these things when they're all still on Facebook. Sure. So, so, but all of those are issues that get overcome by, by the conceit, which is if everyone's using it, then all of your friends are on it. And just like with the web, the, the original web, you know, once lots and lots of people started using it, we started seeing really rapid development in the space. And so this is, so if I can make everyone in the US kind of start using this thing, it kick starts that development. But I think as far as the benefits of this, again, kind of picking up from Matthews is this allows us, if we did this, then kind of by default, all or most of us would be having the majority of our digital communications in an encrypted space. We would be doing it in a way, we would be interacting with the web in a way that where we own our data have control over our data and it's, again, less accessible to surveillance. And all of this would be plugged into an economic system that would allow us to have economic relationships with each other, whether that's paying your part of rent or, you know, paying at the restaurant or sending reimbursing your friend for something or buying products online that's happening in this privacy respecting decentralized fashion that's outside of the reach of governments. And so in kind of one little app, it allows us to take an extraordinary portion of our digitally mediated lives and just move it out of the political sphere, move it out of the state sphere and move it into a place that I think is much more liberty respecting. I wonder if the participation in all of this is a selling point. So I guess the conceit of the episode is we just assume everyone grabs it, but it reminds me a little bit of the Tor network, that the more people that participate in this, the better it becomes. And you don't have to be a computer scientist to contribute to these interesting systems, necessarily, you can just be a part of it and know that you're contributing. And some of the more exciting applications of the stuff I think Aaron is talking about are anti-censorship applications, which would be pretty cool, especially when you consider governments like the Chinese that are pretty keen on censorship. So this sort of decentralized nature of it, I think is a big selling point. You can tell people that they're actually taking part in a really integrate social good without having to, you know, have to quit their job or to donate a huge amount of money. They can invert you of being just part of the network that they're contributing. I mean, it's not an unalloyed good, I guess, given what we expect to go on, what happens in the... I don't know. The Tor comment, you know, there, you can use Tor and then you can help to cover for government spies. And if you're a good patriotic person, maybe you really enjoy that. But if you're skeptical as to how the US behaves around the world. Well, look, angels and demons are going to use every new piece of technology. And there are costs to our privacy and our security with all different kinds of technology. I'm certainly willing to put that in the cost column, but we shouldn't forget the huge number of benefits too. I would also say that, I mean, with the exception of Fitbit, these are tech that the demons are already using. Like, so we're not, you know, this isn't tech that we've kind of made up out of whole cloth. It's already out there. You can use Tor right now if you want to. You can run Protonmail if you want to. You can download the status client and run it on your phone right now if you want to. And so people who have a strong incentive to be using this stuff because they're up to no good are already using it. So simply asking lots and lots of more people to use it means that you're just, you're likely to be bringing in a whole bunch of people who aren't going to be using it for no good. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, this also reminds me of something else. I think we have the difference here between the concrete and my own example will be concrete as well, the Fitbit or the smart diapers I'll be talking about, and then encryption and a decentralized internet that which is more abstract. I mean, it's, and also it only works because of our conceit, because if it comes to small scale innovation, you need to give consumers a reason to buy. I mean, they're more likely to say, I want to buy this thing because in isolation, if I have it, my life is better versus I'm going to buy this hoping a million other people buy it and then we'll all benefit with scale, right? So the conceit of the episode is necessary for this to happen, but it makes you wonder with the original internet, right? So how do you go from only essentially government and researchers, you know, academic researchers and the government using the early stages of the internet to mass adoption? I mean, because we had the goat, we had the bridge that abstract divide at 1.20, 30 years ago, right? And, but then again, there was kind of a killer app in the sense of remember what you circulated, if you wanted to get your grandma surfing online, what did you that AOL disk? Yes, exactly. You deluge them with like free internet time, the little disks AOL online. I think that's the first time I've heard anyone say anything good about that decade. It's all going to be counterintuitive here, but there was something good about it, which was that it was an entry point for folks who weren't, they weren't, they were not, they're not thinking about, can I build this thing called the web 1.0 that will benefit all of society through rapid innovation and joining us together? No, they're thinking, oh, if I get this physical CD and load up my computer and click on this stuff, I can like chat with people in the chat room. They advertise to that. I mean, looking at early internet advertising can be fascinating because they really are selling not just their service, but the idea of the internet as a product. The old, what was it, eTrade or there's a video of Bill Clinton when he's in it. It's right at the end of his second term lame duck and Hillary leaves him to go campaign and he's bumming around the White House and he has an intern teaching him how to use the internet and they're mimicking a popular internet commercial of the time. We can put that up in the show now. It's a fun one looking as to how this thing was sold. As long as the intern wasn't Monica Lewinsky. No, it was a dude. It was all fine. But I mean, again, there you have the illustration, right? Like, there has to be an entry point into this abstract thing. And so some of the things you're mentioning, Aaron, like the ability to have a crypto wallet that is easy to use, easy to exchange in a way that can't be tracked by whoever, by, you know, ad companies, by corporations, by the government, what you're spending money on online. That's an entry by people get why that might that could have value. So I think that's a key way of thinking about that. Well, why don't we return to something a bit more grounded? My killer product for this holiday season is something that I think all parents will appreciate or people have had kids in the past. You know, most kids that you know, you don't want to lump a coal in your stocking at Christmas. But all I want for Christmas is to avoid a lump of something else in my kids' diapers. How long did he spend writing that check? Almost 10 seconds. He pulled out, he's got it written down. I got it written down. It was that important to me that I get that out. But okay, so Aaron will get this as someone who has kids. I get this as someone who has a kid. Being a parent is both incredibly amazing and the worst at the same time. And the worst part about being a parent, at least for the first couple of years, is changing diapers, right? Oh, I thought it was the sleep deprivation. Well, it's like maybe a close... Changing diapers while sleep deprived is certainly a poor combination. Yeah, that's not a great combination either. When you're so sleep deprived, you drop the diaper that you just changed. And yeah, kids produce an astonishingly amount of incredibly disgusting substances. And that's what you're dealing with when you change diapers. And you know, when you change, then anyone who's changed a diaper knows, here's the process for you guys who don't have kids. You've been an hour or two since the last diaper change. You start getting suspicious. It's time for another. You think you see an abnormal bulge in the pants of your kid. Is it though just a little urine that can be ignored safely for an hour or two? Or is it, did they drop some poo and you have to change it or else it's going to just create a massive mess? You have to check. So you start with the sniff test. You just stick your nose there and take a good old whiff. And that's the first diagnosis test. And if that fails, you have to, you go spelunking. You try to check in the back of the diaper to see if you see something, right? Like it is unpleasant. This is a deeply unpleasant thing, but you have to do it or else your kid will get rashes. Your kid will create messes. It's just part of parenting. So my killer innovation for this holiday season, it's actually from a new outfit called the verily, which is actually under the Google alphabet umbrella company. It's their life sciences division, but they patented a smart diaper that will be able to distinguish between urine and poop. It will measure conductivity, impedance, temperature in the fibers of the diaper itself to detect the presence of liquids and solids. So all the diapers would come with that sensing fiber built in. And then you'd have like a detachable relay that would send the information to an app on your smartphone. So you change kid's diaper, you pop the little relay on, and you will know like real time, live updates, has your kid gone? What have they done? Do I need to change them now? And like the amount of mess and frustration, unpleasant sniffing that you would have to do as a parent would go down dramatically if you just knew that information. It sounds like a small thing compared to a new web or like better health outcomes for you with your Fitbit or avoiding government surveillance. But when it comes to like the lived experience of millions of parents in this country, having that kind of information makes your life quantifiably better on a day-to-day basis. I think you've given a great pitch, but at this point, only five people are still listening. I like it. Anytime you can be... I'm just going to claim the win, right? Yeah, every time you just eat lots of turkey. I feel slightly gone. I'm glad I age a while before this. You're a kid soon, Matthew. Anytime you can be pro tech and pro natalism, that seems good to me. Now, how does this... I hear Google involved in this. What kind of data do they get from this? Is there a cop interaction? When you open up the diaper to change it. Well, yeah, but are we getting like literally cradle to grave data collection now where they use that to predict future behaviors about you? How long did it take for you to become potty trained, et cetera? What does that say about impulse control and on? Well, in a less dystopian vision of that would be like, hey, we know how many diapers you've changed. We know you're running out of diapers. It's time for your automatic subscription to diapers on the Amazon to ship you a package. You could also imagine a use case where you say, like, as that tech gets more advanced, it's not just detecting what did they do. It's detecting information about, well, does your kid have... Like a stool sample right there. Yeah, it's essentially doing stool sampling, giving information that goes to their doctor, to your pediatrician who can monitor it. Like, oh, no, they've had, you know, they might have diarrhea and it's time for you to bring them in for dehydration to check. Like, this could actually improve health outcomes for kids as well. And it's not just kids. I was thinking to, you know, who else wears lots of diapers? It's the elderly folks in nursing homes and hospices who, especially if they're senile, can't do this for themselves. And there's a real dignitary benefit, I think, as well to this knowledge being provided by the diaper rather than an elder care provider having to look down the back of a 75-year-old man's drawers. Like, that there's a dignitary harm in that. No one's really comfortable with it, and it's unpleasant. And to receive it in the form of more sanitized data, I think, could make the experience more pleasant. Well, and to their, in that use case, there's a sense that... So, one of the big... There's lots of really bad health outcomes that apply to the elderly. So, like, if it's a baby, if you don't change your diapers soon enough, they get a diaper rash, which is unpleasant. They're uncomfortable. They scream and holler, and it makes your life miserable. And so, it's good if you can mitigate that. But with the elderly, if you don't change them often enough, they get bed sores. They, like, urinary tract infections. It kills them. I mean, oftentimes, those are shocks the system that kill the other... Like, the number of times that elderly, senile elderly folks in nursing homes die because they just weren't changed often enough is higher than you think. So, this is tech that could save lives as well and provide better quality of life, too. So, that's my pitch. It's, I guess, in the Fitbit kind of category of a more literal device. You're definitely going to win now, because everyone doesn't want to be anti-old people and babies. So, you're definitely going to win. Mine is still the best thing to receive in a box under the tree. We have instructions to download something or diapers. It's the thought that counts. And you can make small Fitbits for babies. So, we'll can get in on that. Yeah, maybe we should just put the Fitbit in the diaper. It is the relay. There you go. Yeah. I'll take it. All right. So, off air, we have written down our selections, but we're going to go around and announce them live. So, Erin, let's start off with you. I got to give my vote seeing as I can't vote for myself, which mine is obviously the best. Any of yours were better than mine. That's why I would have chosen as mine. But I'm going to start with Matthew. Just because in the my, you know, ranking of values, the ticket to the state and then surveillance stuff. Just software eating everyone else's Christmas gifts. You're buying them a gift certificate to something. So, I'm going to pick my first vote. It goes to Matthew's and then encrypted communications. My second vote goes to Paul's diapers, just simply because I went through three children of my own. And this sounds like it would have made things marginally easier. Yeah. Is it me now? Yes. All right. Because I cannot vote for myself, but I also want to stick it to the state. My first vote goes to Erin's Web 2.0. I'm not a parent, but I may be in the future. And in the future, I want that to be as little mess as possible. And I also don't want to come across as anti-old people or babies. So, my second vote goes to Paul. All right. Well, first vote to Paul with the smart diapers. I hate. Natalism wins, man, in this election and more generally. I should have found a way of working puppies in there too. We just need kids, not people getting dogs as kids. And I think secondly, I'll go for Erin's de-apps. It feels like it kind of includes a lot of Matthew's proposal as well, but it's more expansive. And yeah. Okay. All right. And I have Web 2.0, Erin's, for my first vote and then second for Fitbit. Oh, fine. You got on the board. Will's on the board. And I think our big, it's all going to come down the test, I suspect here. So this is our producer test. You have heard her voice maybe a time or two, but weigh-in tests. Give us the all-important fifth vote. Okay. Well, we're tied with Web 2.0 and diapers. So my first vote is going to go to encryption. Thank you. And my second vote are a tiebreaker, though I'm not sure how this is going to promote the general welfare and building a better future tomorrow. I'm going to go with diapers. All right. Buy a hair. I think diapers has it kind of, though diapers only had one first place vote and three second place votes and Web 2.0 had two first place votes and one second. I think that gives it to me. On great choice, it might. Yeah. If you give like two points for every first point, every first vote, and then only one point for a second vote. Yeah, it does go to Erin then with five points versus four for diapers. This is the kind of procedure we should have thought through before recording. You know what else we should probably mention in full disclosure because now I'm bitter. Erin is Tessa's boss and I just want to make sure the listeners know this. It's a dirty pool here. A dirty pool. Well, that was good. 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