 everybody welcome to the final quick points podcast on panel work on the sports editor to be a new service alongside me once again is alex hirsch and uh... we're going to talk about the red sox to the office of the red sox for a very very active week uh... since we were last since we're last podcast actually right after our podcast last week true to form uniform as we've mentioned uh... and during for now last week if you guys watch for now uh... the the latest episode of that uh... the red sox decided to make a move it didn't decide to and i don't know before yeah yes so as soon as i have what is that three times that after after our podcast or our for now episode the red sox have made a move uh... right afterwards it was uh... david price craig kimbrill and david orteez announcing his retirement as well uh... in the next after the next year so yet but the socks did make uh... did make another move last night yet uh... trade away miley shall love uh... ocean with the podcast last night to just just so we could just continue that trend justice just continue to try to just be it'd be so fitting but but so we trade away miley uh... starting picture to seattle mariners got got ourselves uh... karson karson smith and uh... uh... i'm sorry row in a civilized uh... starting picture young starting picture will smith's the big karson smith's the big piece in this uh... he's young as well twenty seven yep power big big strong power power picture uh... righty two is one of the best one of the best picture one of the best relievers you know against righty's uh... last season and uh... that that's big in this in in this division because you know how there's so much right-handed power between josh donaldson uh... they i know they meant i think i forget it was well it and we're not saying that he didn't mention a rod which i'd kinda uh... i don't know if he's going to repeat that again but i don't know rossy though mentioned in at the winter meetings in his interview don broski mentioned the toronto blue jay specifically as you got and financing on dollar donaldson and batista yeah all back to back to back jay's of the big one jay's the big one and he's got longoria down in tamper as well so and smith smith has got ninety two strikeouts in seventy innings not to mention he's also got thirteen saves last year is a low whip and the thing that uh... pharaoh loves about him is the the way he throws to not only is he a power picture which is unique to this team you know koji tizawa and uh... who who else do we got uh... in our bullpen the at kimbrill uh... i'm sorry but uh... karson smith's the unique one of those guys because of the the way he pitches power picture pictures in the lower third as well on his arm slot is in the lower third so it's it's just a different style pitching that we now have on this team and it allows one thing that barrel saying that he loves it allows for them to have any specialists now because and you can say art koji you're slotted the eighth and you can mentally prepare for the eighth inning for every game that we need you in kimbrill you mentally prepared to be our closer ninth inning karson smith you can be the sixth inning tizawa seventh inning or vice versa seventh inning for xmit uh... six inning for tizawa or probably you know depending on matchup wise but it allows them to mentally prepare four opponents and for the game they don't have to have long outings by any of their relievers none of their relievers need to go multiple innings now uh... you've got you've got great arms in there as well as you've got uh... potentially joe kelly uh... in the bullpen or potentially uh... long long reliever in joe kelly uh... alias uh... steven right uh... as well as uh... it allows tommy lane uh... to just pitch against lefty's and which is actually pretty good against well i actually have a lefty specialist now and then alliance could be a lefty specialist exactly and uh... lane one one hundred percent so long still but it is a life could be that well i'd be that specialist that allows robbie ross to just come in and do a couple innings here and there we were not relying on these on unproven arms and it allows people to be slotted in almost like a rotation just like in the starting picture and it creates amazing depth for this team and like you said the power arms just something we really don't have on this team well yeah they never had the power arms that was really the big issue that needed to be addressed and needed that more that power in the bullpen even in the world series years really did besides i mean besides papple bond is the closer bit to get to papple bond there's no power arm barred was a well yeah i forgot about barred well i guess it wasn't really world series years but two years ago when we won the world series no power arms there timmoe's a big big power guy but two years ago under ferrell okay no power arms we have not had the power arms really ferrell it's new for ferrell um... and it should be interesting so karstensmith really is the big guy and great he's only twenty six years old i mean this this this phenomenal and he's got not that we need it but he has closer potential as well obviously kimbrill is the closer but yeah the last big couple big closures that we've required they all seem to get hurt and then don't end up pitching for us in terms of uh... yet uh... what's the name andrew bailey i think i heard and i got a hand-in-hand as well as you know the defense of those guys they were never really clean bills of health check came in anyway kimbrill is a clean bill of health but you know if something goes down for him we've got two potential three potential closers on this team as well into zawa, koji and kimbrill that can take over the mantle at least and still allows us to have a pretty deep having kimbrill in there changes everything having kimbrill changes everything i think the big issue with that bullpen last year particularly towards the end of the season was that you didn't have that guy there in the ninth when you have that anchor there in the ninth inning look at the Yankees bullpen when all those years they had mariano rivero look at the years and you know here when they had when they had folky down there in the ninth inning or all those years so having that guy in the ninth inning is is huge right but that's what they did not have after koji got hurt and that's when i thought the bullpen really took a nosedive after that point well the big thing is though it's the depth that's the biggest part the depth now because if someone does get hurt like kimbrill if kimbrill for some reason gets hurt which it can happen or koji gets hurt they still got the depth to be a legitimate bullpen because they've got four very good bullpen players and if one goes down you got three if two goes down you still got two at least to get you in the eighth and the ninth i mean this is a the depth of this team is phenomenal and don broski did a is a great move wiley miley wiley way miley really you know he was who knows what his place on this team is going to be so well rid of his place in the meantime a manageable contract and it wasn't he wasn't necessary for this team to go on for uh... to go on with so his place in the team was it is an extremely uh... tradeable contract by his tradeable contract is you're gonna see in the game uh... was the six seven million for a guy who it's innings is a good back into the rotation piece i think he's very very valuable uh... if you had a twenty six starts stretch last year where he was uh... is one hundred sixty two game average over the course of you know thirty five stars she makes every year you throw about two hundred twenty innings and i think is the array was around three nine which is very very good it's a good third or fourth piece it's not going to carry rotation that's a very very good piece that's the way miley is and he's a i think he's a good fit net in that seattle rotation that's kind of what they need they got felix they got they got a wakuma they got uh... to one walker if you can get it together uh... put put together at full season next year that's a very good rotation miley's gonna be the fourth or fifth piece in that rotation and i did that again that that that's going to be a very very good good riddance good riddance of wade miley is the definition of mediocrity didn't want him here on this team i would have taken him here but i would i wouldn't take him here i don't want him here on the look at any of our world series teams he really he really wouldn't have been on any of those rotations he may have been a fourth or good fourth or fifth piece now he he is by definition if you had mediocrity if you had a good year if you had a good year there's so much more potential on our team he does not need to be on it i i don't want wade miley on this team taking innings away from uh... young potential players like henry owens or eddie rodriguez or even joe kelly joe kelly's still young you're talking about guys that have been thrown major league innings they are they all thrown major league innings before last year no but they have this year but they did last year so that's the point now so the point is yeah they should be in it as rookies they threw great great major league innings in their first first uh... you're in the major leagues and i'd rather rather have them playing wade miley rather than playing them wade miley and clearly dumbrowski does too like i said let's see how let's see how henry owens performs now uh... let's see how erot performs now all these guys all these young guys perform now when the book comes out on them and uh... you know teams have a full off season to see what they're about see what their tendencies are and uh... you know see when they perform then and and and then then let's see uh... you know in a few months oh they're not they're not gonna miss wade miley i'm saying you know he would have been i think he would have been a good piece on this team at the same time release could have been if you had a good year he'd be if he had a good wade miley year and a good wade miley year which he's capable of doing i mean he's very good in arizona pitching a band box he was given a two hundred innings given a pretty solid production for the most part and is the definition of mediocrity there's other pictures out there that we can get that are better than him what are they adding their rotation over the last few years the red sox yeah you know what's the is there is there no but after price and they have a great rotation right now I'd rather have buckles porcelo coke kelly edderadriguez henry owens steven rider out of all of them there's still work to do with this team a lot of people are saying that the red sox have been made great moves over the over the post office in which they have they've made some really really good moves there their uh... they're pointing upwards their arrows pointing upwards right now they're definitely in closing in on contender status but i don't think they're there yet i think there's still a piece or two away what what do you think those pieces are i don't know i i i i think they're i think they're right up there in the division right now okay but what are those pieces that the team needs that if they could if they could use a piece of one thing i think of we're gonna play that game uh... where the red sox gonna do after we uh... after we end the show i'd say starting picture upgrade that number two spot like i said i think i think they could get away with get away with having the rotation it is it as it is right now david price at the top of the guys behind me a little point and getting away with it we look at the you look at the fact that he had in toronto staff last year when he came in this i think toronto staff is very some was similar to what it was when before price came so what what is the point in just getting away with it when you can upgrade i think i think they should upgrade let's let's upgrade that we upgrade this what would we do yet that the person i really like is tyson ross okay i think is a big right ease uh... you know seems like a good fit and the guy that there might be uh... might be trying to get rid of an air trying to get something for in san diego i think he's a good fit it might be a good fit here he said some pretty good seasons out there in san diego last couple seasons uh... ten wins last year thirteen wins but year before that at two eight one pitching in twenty fourteen was an all-star albeit on that you know pitching in a bigger ballpark but i think he's he's got to get some you can get some uh... you know get for a couple prospects and i think he's better than anything on the free agent market right now but don't you think that the red sox would have already probably tried to entice him with the kimberl trade i mean i was the talk at the trade deadline as well when we were trying to get came possibly it was kimberl and rock people are looking at kimberl and ross possibly so i i i i like tyson ross i think he's a very good picture i think he'd be very good here i can't see them going back to the podries and trying to get another player out of one i would imagine they probably would have put you never know i mean there's there's some red sox connections in that in that organization and uh... you know if if they're willing to if they're willing to make a deal you know they made a deal already if they're willing to make another deal you know might as well you know it's it doesn't hurt to make the call if you can't get a guy like sonny gray or shelby miller or tyson ross i think the free agent market is the way to go anyways so and there's a lot of thirty thirty one-year-old pictures that were dominant at one point in their career that you could give a modest contract to probably prove it a prove it contract prove it that you can get back this dominance and like you said if it doesn't work out they can get by on the rotation at the red sox already have but if it does work out red sox may have themselves a new number two or number three these names of the ones that i'm looking at our dog fister not necessarily number two but maybe a number three uh... you got uh... uh... galardo you know you have on a galardo also not decent player only twenty nine years old the one i really like uh... to uh... sorry two or three i really like are josh johnson from the powders free agent scott casimir from the astros free agent as well as tim lenticum these are all pictures that maybe maybe uh... casmere would probably get a little bit more money since he actually had a pretty good year last year josh johnson and lenticum those are pictures that you could probably get fair modest money right now that have the stuff to be a number two even a number one on some teams uh... let's i mean let's come clearly has the stuff to be a number one if he could ever get back on track i'm not saying he's going to be back on track to become the freak again uh... but maybe you can get back on track to be a legitimate number two and number three picture that'd be great and if he doesn't well you're right we can get by on this team uh... and then maybe make uh... you know if we need to make a traded during the uh... regular season i really like those guys i think there's other ones to mike pelfrey as well uh... in a my think of is i can see is uh... shon markham another guy was there's experience pitching in the uh... in the a l e's came up with toronto uh... he isn't really at a good years and then his last good year is really good full season was two thousand eleven at a three five four through two hundred innings uh... from a walkie but you know i i don't think he's he's probably not you know talking about you know a tour three it's a stretch but you look at you look at contracts like they gave them our total cloning two thousand eight to get to john smolton two thousand nine you know it's one of those low-risk i reward deals were gave it if this uh... works out using a good picture processing a very good asset for a rotation the other guy that i think you get for like a john lackey money uh... is clifley clifley solid picture in his career has been very good um... throughout his career and uh... i wouldn't mind seeing clifley in here uh... bringing them another lefty uh... kind of replaces uh... replaces uh... miley and uh... at set quickly would be a good addition decent addition to this team that could potentially be a number two or number three and uh... you know you wouldn't have to give up that much money for you and he's got much experience so i think i think a starting picture is uh... away to go i wouldn't also mind still seeing a first baseman on this team uh... to at least compete does sound like handling is going to be the first baseman that we have next year because it doesn't sound like anyone's willing to uh... but if you can somehow trade for there is there's one name i like out there is older but i wouldn't mind just a more now on this team chris davis is still free i think one of those probably uh... bypasses prime now uh... you know he is always one hundred percent past the time but he's probably done you could sign him on this team and keep you know you got a little bit of a reward that you got haley and you can keep traveshaw and add just a more note to that team it's like a you know let's let's see who let's see who shines who shines through um... and put pit all three of them against each other if you sign like chris davis on this someone like chris davis on this team you have to somehow get rid of haley remears or get rid of traveshaw you can have all three just so we know you could probably add with the other two on the team i'm not on the chris davis bandwagon i'm not either i don't like them yeah it's not that i don't like them i just don't think he's a good fit for fenway i'd rather have any remears hidden here right now then chris davis and i'd rather have traveshaw hitting here familiar with them that i think shaw's shaw's if there's a guy i want starting at first base right now i want to be traveshaw at this point um... i'd rather definitely more than haley i certainly aren't he's are certainly earn that starting spot a lot more than haley has absolutely and he's only starting because the money is tied to him you know we'll see what happens with haley if haley can actually play defense i have no problem with haley being in the uh... in a lineup but uh... it's uh... i think a first base in a starting pitcher really are all that's left though i and i think and it's not when i say all that's left this is what makes them over the top this is what makes them the the best team in baseball and right now they're a contender all right there right now they're a they're a playoff division i still go division contender yeah it's because i mean toronto lost price that's a huge watch for them yeah so they're contender for the division right now uh... it yet they had another really good to their world series contender right now they're division contender right now they're toronto their their toronto's level at level last year where you know they can win the a least maybe uh... may make a run if you know because there's not a whole lot else that's any good in the american league if they had that second piece in this and we're talking you know i don't want to say pre-2011 but you know pre-2011 when they're you know that this seems this team could win the world series for the goes right this team will win the world series uh... that that's what this that's what this to be that another to that number two when you know what the best part about all these moves that this team has made this season they haven't lost anyone except for one mile that that's the biggest part that's the biggest rossky was saying there's going to be a move i mean it when before we made any of the moves he was quoted saying he's gonna make a hard move there's going to be a move in which like fans are going to be like uh... like it's not like either mookie was gonna get moved possibly or blake swyhard it's gonna be a hard move to make well now when i say that make a move and that's the best part so uh... we we still have the future of this team is still very much intact and he's completely added to the future of this team by bringing in someone like kim brawl and craig smith as well don boss he has done a phenomenal phenomenal job we have the future of this team is so bright right now he has that we haven't lost even our top two um... prospects as well i think we got my car um... you still got a ben attendee as well and you still got a uh... whoever uh... who's the other top prospect that we've got uh... devers devils but when they went on when the broski said that i i thought that i did i never thought for a second that it was going to be you know mookie years and i thought mookie zander and and and you're ready to throw we're all off the table it was understood with trade partners as if you said if you if you if you're coming and say we want mookie bets are going to lose us and you know when he said it was going to hurt it was going to be is going to be place why are it was going to be is a manual margo is going to be a bit of a future and it was going to be at the mall that's the point of that's the point is he's kept all of those guys he is not made a hard move really margo could be who cares yeah that's i i was i was i'm so sick of people saying we gave up too much for craig kimbrel all i guess i just trust me i don't know you're not but the people that say that they like we gave up part of our future can't craig kimbrel is part of our future we're like we have the games best closer under wraps for multiple years he's only twenty seven in one of the base best baseball markets of areas you think we're gonna let him get away after he's a free agent most likely not craig kimbrel is here to stay he is one hundred percent part of our future and hopefully our closer for the next five six seven years he is part of our future so the fact that people are thinking we all we got rid of manual margo well you know what guys we've got lots of other prospects that are still here and we added more to our future well what people like that aren't realizing is that you gotta give up something good to get something good and we got something that is proven proven to be the best in the game whereas in we gave up a prospect for all we know that prospect could have ended up being a dud we don't know meaning that he might be good he might not be but we got a proven young closer that is the best thing phenomenal trading on him uh... by dombrowski he's done a phenomenal job bringing this team out of the cellar right now so far and so far we're hoping if david price can't play in boston then that's gonna that's gonna look pretty badly on his part i don't see why he can't there's no there's no reason why david price shouldn't be able to pitch here again i think i said on the foreign out uh... i read somewhere that he has the best e r a uh... in a minimum of like i think it was like fifteen starts or something like that in fenway park since bay brief uh... and again that's in a he's made a lot less starts here than clay buckle taz or or curtschilling or other guys it's not like we're talking five starts we're talking at least a minimum of fifteen starts david david price has been phenomenal in fenway park and there's there's no reason for me to think that he was phenomenal in toronto is phenomenal in detroit is phenomenal in tampa they've maintained the future and gotten tremendously better by adding veteran talent as well and that was my number one hope going into the soft season you added a fourth outfielder without getting rid of the three outfielders that you've got that have made for very good two months whether in your life if one of them fails you've got the fourth outfielder potentially fifth outfielder in brockholt as well if you if need be uh... but you're allowing you're now letting brockholt though man the infield as well and rotate around in there this is a very deep very good team now uh... and you know barring injuries barring you know a term a terrible year from david ortees which at some point you might drop off it's it's possible and he hasn't shown signs of the yet but it's certainly possible we've got one year left to drop off that he's got one left so you know barring that uh... hopefully maybe a resurgence from one of the other hand their mirrors republics and of all you know hope for one of them at least uh... said at least you somewhat better at the bat and they can't be much worse so and it will see this it this should be a very good team i guess that's it though quick points podcast so the last time that pat and i will be bringing you the quick points podcast in a real pleasure 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