 and I see a lot of familiar faces and some new ones. First of all, welcome to everyone. Thank you for taking time to join us today. If you're unfamiliar with our Saturday presentations, we normally try to contain them within an hour. The speaker generally uses voice. We have been doing some backups. You see a Zoom link there in case, we generally only use those first of all in case there's a technical problem, that the Zoom works in real well. And if we have griefers and such like that, cross your fingers or whatever you do in your culture to hopefully that they won't show up. And you're more than welcome to chat at any time. Okay, actually I prefer a lively conversation that way I know you're out there and that what I'm saying strikes home and including questions in chat and I'll try to address them when I can. And you're also free to ask answer questions in chat and point out links and information anything else that will help you. Well, I've been, yeah, I've been playing with it for a while and I kind of like the format here. So thank you. One thing, okay, the last time we presented on the top pandemic was April 1st, that nine months ago. And at that time we were alarmed that the world had reached one million confirmed cases. Sadly, nine months later, the known number of cases in the world is 90 million with two million dead and no end in sight. You'd like to see details here's a site with the John Hopkins medical that I usually take a look at for details. Yeah, and the problem is, is it's not something that looks like it's going away anytime soon. That's the most concerning for a lot of people, medical in particular. Okay, so as we did, well, let me back up just a second here. Okay, as we did last April, we're gonna divide our presentation into two parts, actually three, but this week I'll talk with you about the human experience associated with the pandemic. Next week, Dr. Robert Hendricks will talk to you about the medical side. That is what we learned about the virus, how it and other diseases affect us, and then we're gonna try something a little different. On the 23rd, the week after that, we're gonna have what we call a fireside chat. That is, since this is such an important topic right now to a lot of people, is that we wanna hear from you. In other words, instead of a presentation, we wanna focus on the audience concerns and questions and we'll try to address them and anyone else in the audience who is expert or just wants to talk about what's going on in there. Yeah, the 23rd, in other words, two Sundays from now. Next Sunday, Dr. Robert Hendricks will talk about the medical side. Yeah, excellent, good. I was hoping via the vaccines as well because there's a lot of questions about them. Okay, so what I'd like to do today is over the last year or in particular the last nine months, I've been saving thousands of links and articles on the pandemic. And when I started looking at them, I just felt overwhelmed. I think that's kind of the general feeling about this whole thing. Looked overwhelmed at the list and as I was preparing to talk to you again. And so what I did, what researchers do when they're confronted by a mountain of data that's not easily quantified, I looked for themes. And one of the things that I most love about the science circle and second life in general is incredible diversity of people and places represented and what I can learn from all of you. So what I would ask you today is to please let me know if there are themes that I've missed. I could easily have missed major things or if there's important things happening where you live, please share them. So your question, let's see. Well, I can't address the cities. I can address what's going on around here and stuff and it's amazing what's going on in the world. But you can look it up there, go take a look at Cleveland, there are any other places you'd like. Like I said, are things happening where you live? This is a global issue and understanding the global perspective. Oh, okay, it's hard to tell sometimes. Global issue and understanding the global perspective is important to all of us. So today, I'm going to discuss three aspects of the pandemic, namely what I call dichotomies. In other words, paradoxes of choice, this or that, which sometimes you don't have a good choice. Information or in some cases, disinformation. In other words, communications gone viral. And what I kind of kiddingly called divination. In other words, past, present, future, pandemic and context, where we're going next and stuff, which really would be a divination. So let's take a look. So the first thing I'd like to talk about is what is dichotomies. The first one is, if we're going to take a look at this from a scientific standpoint, is how do people react to a threat? Well, that depends on two things generally. Now that's kind of a busy slide and these things will be back up on our, on the Science Circle website. So if you don't see the whole thing, this is from, you can see the link to the bottom there, where this came from. And generally we take a look at a threat and we go, okay, is this high risk or is it kind of low to medium? And then is the threat in our head or is the threat actually physically right there? Okay, well, unfortunately for the pandemic, it's all of that. In other words, for some people, it is a high risk. Other people believe it's low to medium. For some people, it's more of a threat in their head and other people, it's an actual real physical threat that's very present. And yeah, it depends on, yeah. As Tagline mentions, please, there's a lot of good stuff going on in chat, so please take a look at that. So what do we generally do? Well, animals generally tend to either fight, freeze or take flight. And we can do the same thing, except that for example, we couldn't try to negotiate. Well, it's kind of hard to negotiate with a virus, but we can kind of negotiate with other people as far as what to do or not do. We can verbally confront. That may work in some instances, as you can see, it's not a great idea. In a lot of cases, contact authority, well, or look to authority, and then, yeah, scoot or shoot, huh? Yeah, unfortunately, it depends on what country you're in. And you can hide, flee. In other words, there's lots of responses. So let's see what some of the responses that people have done for this particular threat. One that I think is really important, and you can see the differences in countries is, and political. Okay, you can see the difference in countries is whether they're in psychological parlance, so to speak, whether they think more toward the collective or toward individualism in the country in which I live. I'm not talking that the whole country is homogeneous, but in general, the United States has the highest degree of individualism or thinking about the individual above the community of anywhere in the world. Whereas there's a lot of countries where their first thought is towards the community and their own sacrifice rather than to, yeah, rather than families, in other words, the family in the community comes first. So if the community is doing something or family doing something, then they tend then to agree with it, regardless of their own personal rights or whatever they think. Now, on the other hand, it's important to realize that a pandemic is created by people. In other words, it's transmitted every single time from person to person. And in some cases, as I have, if anybody recognizes where the quote on the bottom is in other words, the needs of the many may outweigh the needs of the few or the one, this is a problem. So we have to, yes, exactly. So we have to spot, start track that sort of things. We have to kind of think of whether you're looking up for your own interests or looking out for the interests of the community. So that's one of the dichotomies, one of the decisions that we have to know or that we have to decide on. Another dichotomy, another thing that we're faced with is action or inactions. For example, I read recently that there's a city of 11 million in China where they had a hundred new cases and they caught involved the whole city. In other words, they blocked all the exits, shut down transportation and such. And in our, excuse me, in the United States where I live, they seem sometimes reluctant to stop mobs from overrunning the capital. And they still, even though we have the most amount of cases of deaths, that there's still just suggestions about wearing masks and such. And so there's a vast difference in the way that we have looked at the pandemic, depending on where you live in the world. The other thing is frankly, it depends on where you are in that nation. I'll show you a little bit later for the United States at least, the differences in the United States about how the pandemic is perceived and acted on. So some countries have implemented a nationwide plan whereas some countries or administrations have kind of just reneged on their responsibility and handed over and basically to local regions to do the way that they see fit. Okay, so another dichotomy here. Here again, what I'd like you to do is if I leave something out, I've got a number of these, but if I leave something out, please let me know like, wow, you forgot this, okay? I won't feel at all hurt that you do that. I wanna know because we have a really good audience right here and people from all over the world. So if I've left something out, let me know. Now, part of it is also the difference between statistics versus the truth, just second. What I mean by that is it's not a matter of not reporting, but in some cases what you get to report is not always the full story. In other words, first of all, statistics have to be authorized. Nobody really wants to report negative news. There have been countries which I won't name that basically said you will not talk about the pandemic and so we didn't get some statistics from certain countries for a long time. It's also gotta be coordinated. In other words, if you get harsh part of the truth, well, you can report on that. Yeah, well, that's another point is it does improve ratings if that's your aim. It's also if you kind of go by quasi conspiracy theories reporting more than the actual may get you more money and PPs and you know, in other words, but that's what I mean by statistics versus the truth. And also as we know in statistics, it has to be representative. In other words, you have to be reporting as a whole rather than just particular areas. It also has to be reported. And in some cases in the United States, they basically said, oh, you don't have to report this anymore and then as we analyzed correctly and then publicized, it's fine to have an internal document, but if it's not made public, particularly if the public needs to see it, the information to make informed choices. So in other words, the whole idea of the best reporting system can also be so-called defeated by those who simply don't like the numbers. In other words, great, you got this big system, but it's like, well, I don't really believe that. So therefore, whatever. So the numbers we generally have reflect the minimum. So when I say there's 90 million cases, well, that's what's officially reported. But at points in this pandemic in the United States, people basically said, well, great, this is how many we have officially reported, but it might actually be 10 times that. So 90 million, we could have 90 main cases just in the United States. And there's a lot of medical folks that would probably say, yep, that's pretty much what you have. Perhaps Dr. Hendricks will touch on that the next week. Okay, the other thing, and this can be a little controversial, but the other thing is it depends on what country and your immunization level and such like that. In the US in particular, different places here, we tend to basically try to clean our houses and not go from one box, our house to another box, the car to another box at work and not be too, unless you're a gardener, like I am. Essentially, I get into the garden and I think my, here again, knock on wood, so to speak, but I think my immunity level is pretty high because there are thousands of possible pathogens that are in soil and in the air and we've got like three dogs in the camp and I'm out in the garden all the time and such. So I actually think that's healthier leading a very sterile existence. The other thing is a teacher with a lot of students from lots of countries, I think I've probably been exposed to just not anything. So that's actually a bonus. And for people that actually live and work in nature or where disease is more prominent and populations are younger and tested by disease, their immune system may be higher than people in some developed countries that also have comorbidities like diabetes and obesity and such. And there again, take a look at what taglines are read in there. Okay, so let me continue because we want to hear again, these are things that you might want to come back next week and on the 23rd to talk about. Now, the other thing unfortunately is seeing is believing. When I was young, just about everybody got chickenpox, mumps, measles. I actually have a tiny little scar on my forehead which is probably, you can't see it because of the wrinkles from chickenpox when I was young and moms used to kind of have parties where they'd bring their kids and everybody would get chickenpox and mumbles, mumps and measles all at the same time because they were so contagious. And I will talk about that in a bit about the R0 value, the reproductive, the reproductive rate, that sort of thing. You did, oh, just kidding. Okay, but when you had major epidemics or pandemics like smallpox and bubonic plague, it was obvious. It's not so obvious with COVID. You kind of have to, without seeing, some people don't believe, there's a lot of people that, because it's kind of an internal thing and you don't have something that you can see on the outside, they kind of have to believe someone that yes, indeed, it's there, wear a mask, okay? Okay, there's also the, here again, what I'm doing is kind of looking at themes that you can see in articles in the news and such, in the media. So there's also kind of the them to us. You can have people working millions of hours and hundreds of thousands of people and thousands of doctors and that sort of thing. But for some people that might, their cousin Vinnie, who has a friend who ran something in Facebook last summer, may take precedence over that mountain of expertise. So who are you gonna believe? And that's not always a foregone conclusion that you're gonna believe all of the experts and such like that or whatever, particularly if there's a lot of disinformation about the validity of what they say and things in the media and such like that. Yeah, yeah, me, I said such and such there. But the idea is to look at, to weigh this yourself and to err on the side of caution during the epidemic or the pandemic, at least that's what I recommend. Okay, so let's take a look then at the next one is basically, no, okay. Actually, they might be the ones I'd least believe, but that's just my opinion. Okay, simplicity versus deluge. In other words, some of the things that you need to do personally or that I would recommend although you can, is a very simple and we'll get to that in a minute. But people are confused just as I was with all the articles and things I've been collecting. People have been very confused by deluge or sometimes conflicting advice or advice that changes because this is a novel experience for us and one month they might say one thing and another and it's not necessary just like science when it changes. It's not necessarily contradictory if you look at why they were saying it under the circumstances. But if you don't, you could just have people go, well, you said back in March about this on mass and now in June, you're saying this and that can lead to people not believing. But here again, a lot of it is fairly simple and we'll get to that in a minute. The other thing is about experts. Well, Shiloh, that's a very good question. But can you, if it's possible to come next Saturday is Dr. Hendricks is going to talk about that. I'm deliberately kind of avoiding the medical technical parts of this because that's going to be his time to talk about vaccines and the virus and how it affects people and such like that. That's a lot of information. Okay, so there's also experts versus authorities is that basically who do you believe? Is it the politicians or is it the doctors or who do you believe? And so you have legitimate people who are revered by the peers and such but you can also have people who basically have no experience or Mavericks that essentially wearing a white coat. Well, think of it as immediately suspect if somebody is wearing a white coat, they have no name tag, there's no association with anyone. I can get a white coat anyway, okay? And call myself a doctor. In fact, I'm very careful on an airplane or something to make sure that, well, that's a good question whether the World Health Organization such. I tend to believe the World Health Organization over media. However, you might want to ask Dr. Hendricks about that. Here again, that's more of a medical question. But so these are, here again, these are some of the types of dichotomies or decisions that go into why this is a pandemic. Okay, there's also the, here again, I was talking about collective. I was talking about collective versus individualism. Well, part of it is needs versus wants. Sometimes there is no good choice. Every choice you make has a significant cost to it. So for a lot of people, for a lot of people, they need to go to work in order to pay bills. They, in a lot of cases, you see you hearing a lot about whether students should go to school or not in order to pay for rent, to eat, to get education or not to miss it, whether to be competitive, all of those sorts of things. And at the same time, you can also recognize the need to stay home, to isolate all of that. So in some cases, some of these dichotomies are not easy decisions. There's also, frankly, some personal items. Like, for example, I know some people hate it. The pandemic hasn't affected them much at all because they don't tend to be out the ones partying at the towns and family and all that. Yeah, and frankly, I haven't gone to restaurants since March. I do take out or the lines and stuff where you could pick up. Those sorts of things. But I will talk about that in a second as to why I decided not to do that. So people will also, isolation is more natural or more difficult for some people. It tends to possibly lead to depression and it's really difficult, particularly if you're talking about family or friends and such like that, okay? So now, if you don't eat food prepared by other people, what about groceries? So for example, since March, I've been doing, at our grocery, they have curbside service. So basically we do order and then they put it in the back of my car and I don't have to go in the store except for when it's absolutely necessary. In other words, I'm training this like a pandemic and being close to 70 and such, I'm not gonna fool around with this, okay? So any case, now the other thing is here's another legitimate one where it's difficult to make decisions is patents versus pandemic. We've heard this before, but companies spend a lot of time and effort to develop vaccines and drugs and they want to recoup their investments. They are a company, it's not just totally altruistic. On the other hand, vaccines may bring an end to the international emergencies of controls or prices are relaxed or they're subsidized or whatever. So that's a real decision on the parts of companies and governments as to how they handle the vaccine. Dr. Hendricks may talk a little bit more about that. The other thing is, we tend to, or not we, but people who want to downplay it tend to go, well, there haven't been that many deaths. So they talk about, well, not that many people have died, but on the other hand, we have learned, and Dr. Hendricks, I'm sure we'll talk about this, is that this is not just a cold, okay? This can, there are possible brain effects, permanent disabilities, certainly financial disability. In the United States, if you end up going to the hospital with COVID, the normal hospitalization cost in the United States is $75,000. If that, and you're gonna be paying part of that regardless of the insurance, unless you have some really, really good way of paying it. But for people that don't have insurance that can't afford it, they either decide to possibly stay at home and die or go to the hospital and have an enormous bill. And so it's not just death that we're talking about here. It's disability and financial and physical. Okay, now the other thing, whoops, did I go, I may have gone backwards here. Hang on a second. Okay, and then the other one, one of the other dichotomies there is kind of the known versus the unknown. In other words, if we kind of had a time that went, okay, this is just like other, yeah, tell me about it. My stepdaughter is an ER nurse. She's a very good one. But boy, she has been, thank you, Cass. And these will be available on our site. And if you want to see them again, or partly of these and Dr. Hendrick's ones on the 23rd will be available for those two. And so yeah, absolutely. In other words, for every person that's hospitalized with COVID, there are people that are pregnant or diabetes or heart attacks or strokes or whatever, that in other words, the normal medical crowd. There are places in Los Angeles right now, unfortunately hospitals that are having to decide and actually do a triage thing. In other words, this person is not sick enough to be admitted. And that's a real sad situation. In fact, that's the curve that I'll remind people again that we're trying to avoid. Because essentially, if you don't have modern medicine, then you're back 100 years ago with the 1918 flu epidemic and then we're in real trouble, okay? So we wanna try to avoid that situation at all costs, but we're just about getting there, okay? So what are some reactions to all this? And here again, those are the themes I've found, but what are some reactions that people have had? And so if I'm missing some themes, please feel free to put them in chat. I may very well have missed something that's important that you've seen and that I may just have missed. I've been watching, of course I've been watching the chat here and people talk about this and that and media and things like that, but if there's actual, well, yeah, and everybody does that. In other words, the first thing that happens, whether it's a hurricane where I live or earthquake perhaps or whatever is panic. And in some cases it's irrational panic, like hoarding toilet paper or in some cases blaming others immediately. Stage is a great, there you go. Or focus, in other words, in some cases it can be actually constructive. In other words, you start to focus and you go, how was I living before now? Couldn't I live with less this or stress or should I focus more on family and groups and friends and such like that? But the focus has tended to be, I won't touch that so much. Okay, has been on tends to be self-family, small social groups and such like that, which as I said can be either socially constructive or destructive. Authority, our deference toward political figures and not just political figures, but other figures that we hold in authority. In other words, telling what to think. Miracles, deference to Supreme Beings. I've seen a huge jump in Facebook on religious content or escape. I've also seen in Facebook about binging on movies or alcohol or simply disregarding what's going on in the world. But some people have actually started to go, wow, I could learn to cook or learn to garden or business is going, well, we don't wanna go under, so how can we do that? Well, more takeout, more curbside, more other ways to stay in business. And then of course the resignation. Now what I mean by resignation is not just giving up, but sometimes you resign to go, okay, this is not going late tomorrow. Yes, I can attach it. Yes, I can give it to other people. So I'm gonna do what I need to do and no, that's not a lot of fun, but I'm gonna do it because I'm a responsible citizen of the world or however way you need to convince yourself. Yeah, that's another topic there with survivors and stuff like that. Okay, but if you're a survivor, you first have to agree that, hey, there is a pandemic. Okay, let's take it again about the second part of this is the disinformation. Now, I'm actually gonna give you some information, but as I said, it's only the statistics that are available. In some cases, it may be a power of 10 off. So let's take a look. Well, first of all, you have to look at the difference between science and conspiracy. In science, we might go, okay, there's good evidence to show that where the mass reduces the virus when you exhale it in him. And that less virus, and then so the understanding them from that is that less virus means your body has to fight less virus. So where the mass around others protects you and them. Okay, now you're a conspiracy theory, you jump straight from there's a virus to and this is a combination of two real conspiracy theories, one of which I've read and one which actually two people told me last week. It is a man made. It's purpose is to get me vaccinated. So there's a microchip. And so it can be controlled by Elon Musk satellites. And then I'll hand over my money and guns to Satan worshiping pedophile elites. And yes, those are real. I didn't make those up. That's a combination of two conspiracy theories going on. Yeah, I would tend to believe that maybe it's the aliens, you know, or whatever. And I don't mean the ones walking over the border. I mean, the ones in the spaceships. Okay, but let's take a look in seriousness about, well, yes. But if you look at the deleting the Twitter accounts, the first thing that he who shall go unnamed is going to try to do is to try to jump to something else and then to make up their own. And in other words, it's really difficult to quell conspiracy theories or ideas in general. So if you take a look at actually the scientific behind conspiracy theories, let me show you where I got this one. This is an article that I saw this morning. And let's see. And it actually says why we have the scientific social psychologists view behind conspiracy theories. And one is, as somebody mentioned the World Health Organization is they see this as kind of an infodemic. In other words, I like that word. And essentially that there's a deluge of data out there all combined with falsehoods. In other words, unless you are an expert in the area or a critical thinker. Yeah, I know, the 5G one. I actually was gonna put that up here, but the idea that that's my neighborhood, by the way, that's where I have in technology. That's where my expertise is in. But the idea that 5G causes COVID. Oh my goodness, you know. But basically the article says, if you read through the article, basically says that we tend to like misinformation unless you're a critical thinker because it's simple. It's causal. There's an unseen enemy. And then it's easy to explain, particularly when you are scared or have legitimate concerns of unemployment, social injustice, contextual election, feeling disenfranchisement, all of that. So you tend to come up with a conspiracy theory that puts a square blame. It helps you feel like you're in control because now you understand how things work. The more someone repeats something, our brain often mistakes from the area of truth and we tend to blame others for our failure. Then we look to a city here to protect our in-group. That's part of the article. It's very good. Now, if you're want a little more levity here, I would recommend, has anyone seen Monty Python in the Holy Grail movie? Yeah, it's a classic. Okay. And there's a three minute, I put a link up there for the three minute witch trials scene and the kind of way that they not so logically find out whether someone's a witch. Yeah, we need a shrubbery, okay. But it's a very interesting scene, but unfortunately it's kind of real. Yeah, exactly. Spassion, position, et cetera, et cetera. So if you want to break, take a look at that link there. Okay, let's take a look then at the next piece of information I have. Okay, so there's also the situation with preparation versus actually implementation. In other words, the best plans of mice and men off go astray, right? Okay, so this is real too. I'd like to give you, I can give you a link to this later, but medical agencies, I mean, if you've been following this over the thing, they knew that the pandemic wasn't that inevitable. There's been other SARS viruses with MERS and SARS-1 out there. Yeah, Steinbeck, exactly, that's a quote from Steinbeck. And they knew it was inevitable. And particularly since you had an H1N1 flu and then Ebola all within this decade is that agencies sat down and they did simulations and they worked through them just like the military does with communications and simulations and trained core teams to handle things just like in the United States for Department of Homeland Security and hurricanes and such. So they had an entire guide for all of this. And the scary thing is that if you actually read through the guide, it was for 2025, but it was very, very similar to exactly what we're experiencing today. Unfortunately, the best guides, if they're not read or dismissed are worthless. So basically by 2020, within three years, the powers to be who shall go unnamed basically dismissed staff, gutted funding, ignored the guidance and then claimed that they knew nothing about a pandemic. But well, okay. And then started and then gave contradictory guidance and false statement stuff like that. Yeah, okay. So any case, let's go ahead. I wanna try to keep this to an hour. This is as of this week, the share of the population reported with COVID. Now, if you look, it varies tremendously from countries who have this under control, the ones in yellow, et cetera, or that just have not spread it as much. In other words, in some cases, yeah, I know. So in the United States, for example, one in 16 people, in some cases a lot higher than that. In other words, in some cases, one in four people have it or are known to have it, which means probably minimum numbers. And it varies depending on what countries and how much travel you have and how much reporting there is and such like that as to where. Now, this is the share of the population reported with it. This is the cases per day, basically. In other words, in the United States right now, there's 200,000 people per day. This is the cases per day per 100,000 population. Or as I told a friend of mine the other day, there's more people that are dying of COVID in the United States every day than died in the 9-11 tragedy, that sort of thing. And Tagline wrote something in all caps there. So yeah, Tagline, well, it is a problem, but these are the figures. And then this is an interesting one. It's a little crowded, but essentially this is the number of deaths versus cases. This was back in August, but you can see it varies tremendously depending on where you are in the world and what kind of governments you have and how much control they have the population and how people feel about either individuals or collectivism. You can see in the one down there on the bottom right, that a lot of countries that are in Asia-Oceania area, they're way able to control this fairly quickly on, whereas other countries, it's almost totally out of control. Yeah, cock, cock, cock. Okay, and now just real quick, I don't wanna harp on the US, but there's a little bit of difference in when you look at the US. In other words, you can't just say the US. You have to look at different areas. So for example, if you look at the total cases, you'll see that they're pretty much where there are either very high density populations or there are a lot of elderly people or such like that. But then if you looked at actually confirmed cases per capita, it's a little different picture. And unfortunately, just like back in the 1500s and such when First Nations, the native peoples got infected, is that they didn't have a kind of genetic immunity. So in the United States, native Americans are being really, really hard hit by the virus, the same way they did with other things that started in Europe and other places. And then the other thing that you'll see there is the confirmed cases per capita are the highest ones are not in the cities. They're in the areas where people tend not to wear a mask and don't believe in the virus. And those are the areas that are circled up there. Actually, I was just coughing. I don't know whether it's power suggestion or what. Okay, let's keep moving on here is that now the other thing is at the very beginning, there tended to be this thing about, this is an old people's disease. Well, it's not. And maybe Dr. Hendrick can back this up next week, but essentially, if you look at the relative number percent of cases, it's people between 20 and 50 or 25, 20 and 60, not the elderly. However, comma, so the most cases are there and then there's between 35 and 60% of people that are asymptomatic and then a lot more that are only mild and then, but it's the older people who are really susceptible to this being a severe disease. And I won't say anything more about it right the moment because I suspect that Dr. Hendrick's is going to talk a bit about this next week. I just thought I'd point out this. Now, this is China, South Korea, Spain and Italy. In other words, this is data from four countries, not just one in there. So let me kind of divide what may happen or what's next. This is really treading in the skin area here. The first thing that I think is kind of unambiguous, well, and that's Sissi, you've got a point. In other words, there's a lot of factors here. And even if you looked in a city, if you looked and say, the city near us has a great disparity between Latvian and poor, and so eventually if you actually looked at who has COVID, you'd see a pretty good correlation there. But one of the things if you look at this, is does this look like it's slowing down? Yes, they are. And a part of the reason I know this is by direct or slightly secondhand, yeah, that's okay. It's what you're talking about. The one thing I want to point out too is it's statistics kind of are mean in a way because they talk about populations, not individuals. For individuals, this is life or death or people that it's life or death for. I don't think there's a single person in the United States unless they're living in the hills somewhere that doesn't have someone they know that has the disease or possibly has died from it, we're at that stage right now. Okay, and you can tell this is not under control. That light is not going down, that light is going up. And so we don't really know. In other words, is this going to, we could take a look at things in the past, but we don't really know whether this is how this will be contained with the positive point, of course, of the vaccines, but then Dr. Hendricks will talk about that. So can we learn anything? Well, I had earlier taken a look at the 1918 one and the 1918 one lasted about two years. The worst cases were during the first year and a half and it came in waves. However, the, and it was mostly a young person. So in other words, the team to middle-aged people tended to die of it. Well, that's not the case for this virus. And so we tend to be kind of a steady climb with surges. Some people, medical people have been saying, hey, this can last easily through 2021. It's deadly to older people and you'd compromise people. It's infected. Now, on the other hand, in, no, that's actually, okay, that's actually who died during 1918. That was the inset is basically saying that the younger people died, not the older people. Cause of the, I was watching a very good series, by the way, that talks about, it's called London Hospital and it's about how, in 19, around 1920. And the line expectancy was only about 45 at the time. So, you know, we live in a little different world. And then watch some of the things taglines putting in there. Okay, so it is a little different. So we can go, yeah, we've seen these other pandemics, but it's hard to say, yes, this will follow the same track or anything else. So I'm not sure about where things are going, except that, of course we have vaccines, but that's only, a lot of the rich countries are buying up the vaccines. So in some cases, people are going, well, hey, if you're not a rich country, you know that priority, you might not get a vaccine till 2023, 2024, something like that. So, possibly Dr. Hendricks will talk about it. Yeah, and they can hoard them, they can buy them up, such like that. Now, you've also got here now, here again, statistics are unfair because people are not numbers. But if you actually look at this in comparison to say the history of the world, you will see that the ones now, this is not exactly two scale, it's kind of two scale, having to do with corporate memory, so to speak, in other words, public memory. So in other words, HIV age on there has been around for 40 years and there's about 70 million cases, compared to 85 million cases already with COVID, but the mortality rate was much higher with HIV age, particularly depending on what part of the world and earlier in its existence and stuff. So therefore, there was a much larger death from HIV age. In the case of the 1918 flu, about 500 million people, about one third, yeah, I like the slide 10, that's why. It's also, there's a display that I'm going to update after I hear from Dr. Hendricks and stuff in the next couple of weeks. By the 23rd, I hope to have it all updated. It's on the island here and it's kind of updated as of last April. So I'm gonna have to update it based on all of what we know now. But the idea is that in 1918, there were about 500 million deaths, excuse me, 500 million cases about a third of the world, which right now, of course, the population is way, way, four or five times what it was then with a lot of crowded cities and such. But of course, we have antibiotics, we have hospitals, we have, we know that viruses and airborne transmission stuff is real, et cetera, et cetera. But they're also 50 to 100 million deaths. Well, we could easily get into that situation if we simply ignored this whole thing. And that's, of course, what is the fear here is if people don't take vaccines, et cetera, like that, that we may end up that. Now, this is the part and I've got 10 minutes and I can finish this up. Is this is the part that individuals should know and keep in touch. Now, Dr. Hendricks will back this up or perhaps add details or even something slightly different. But this is simple, folks. The objective is to limit the amount of virus that gets into your body. Now, the visuals on the right actually come from CDC. But the idea is you keep far enough away from somebody who's infected and at this point, you have to go, everybody's infected, at least in the United States. You also want to limit the time in enclosed places. The other time I've ever been in an enclosed place without a mask in since March was I had got my teeth cleaned the other day and they took extreme measures to keep from getting well, never in hell, yeah, you could stop reading. But the idea is if you're gonna sit in a restaurant with no masks on and eat, that's really, really nice. So that's an enclosed space with a lot of people without masks. That's kind of one of the high things. Or unfortunately church or unfortunately other places like that if you're not wearing masks. The other thing is ingesting. You don't want to be touching surfaces and then touch your nose or your mouth or your eyes. So there's lots of, so basically you can remember those. Every place you go, don't pick your nose. If every place you go is, if you can remember this simple thing is you want to try to limit the virus that gets in you, then that's all you really have to remember. You don't have to go, how many things do I show you for how long, I hope that's everything. But if you want those things, then some of the guidelines on the bottom. But here again, I'm sure that Dr. Hendricks will give you a bit more about this, but you can't be too educated about this. Okay, now this is really busy. But the other thing is, the other thing, for example, in our area is that we are just getting into cedar. We're in cedar patching. And the little cedars are just ripe to go boom. And you've got pollen all over your car and everywhere. So what is the difference between cedar fever, so to speak, and or cold or flu, or allergies or whatever. So a good table like this will give you an idea of what is the difference. One of the things, of course, is what's the classic? I see a whole bunch of stuff going on in chat there. What's one of the classic symptoms of COVID that's not always, but it is a kind of a telltale? Thanks, Max. Yeah, here again, this will be available. I can tell you where I got this and such. But in other words, losing, well, now blue lips, by the time you have blue lips, you're in trouble. You should be going to the hospital or getting oxygen. My doctor actually got COVID and he had oxygen at home. So he didn't have to go to the hospital a little bit. But basically the losing taste or smell, for example, is one that's kind of rare and a lot of other things. But if you all of a sudden do that, you can kind of go, whoops. Here again, I'm gonna try not to step over Dr. Hendricks because or he will then confirm some of this next time around. But there's some that are really pretty good signs of like you got this versus something else. So here again, what can you do? Well, limit the number of viruses. Now, why do you want to limit the number of viruses? Because essentially it's like having a gator or a castle. If you have a vaccine, you're essentially going, okay, we're gonna have this practice drill where we store the castle. And so yeah, your body pulls up the drawbridge, okay? Because the vaccine basically your body sees this thing that looks really like the real thing. It's not or in some cases a weakened version. And it's able to go, yay, okay, we're gonna build up our defenses. And then when you really see this thing, it's not just the gay that's between you and the hordes, but it's a castle. So it's much easier for your body to defend against it. The other thing is this is the, here again, if you want an easy place to see this, you can take a look on the vinyl hordes. Okay, you can look at what's called the reproduction number or R, zero, R naught. And for different diseases, now remember that even though HIV AIDS is deadly, and it has an R value of two to five, it's not transmitted through the air, okay? And a lot of these are not. In other words, sometimes you have to touch people. In the case of HIV AIDS, it's sexual contact or blood transfusion stuff. Or even Ebola, it's not even, things that which are as deadly as that. But here again, I don't wanna cover too much of this stuff, but this is a rest, I'm assuming, this is an airborne thing. With measles and mumps, it was so contagious that basically if we didn't have a vaccine, it would be kids today would have it, okay? Well, we did. In other cases like Ebola hepatitis, some of those sorts of things don't have, their reproductivity rate is not as high. Now, a normal flu, the reproductivity rate can be from only like, in other words, if you're sick, they figure that if you don't take precautions that you might transmit it to between one and a half to three people. COVID, particularly with this new strain that came out that they found that now seems to be going around the world, is it really ups the game a little bit as far as the R value, so that essentially COVID's around six or seven, which means that's contagious. And you can see the chart on the other end, what it means to have it be that contagious. And so if it's that contagious, we really do need to, unless we wanna infect everybody on earth, we really do need to continue to wear masks, social distancing, wash your hands, everything that you've heard, okay? Okay, and finally, and this is the only slide that I actually have from the last time that we presented back in April, is why do we wanna do this? Well, part of it is that the difference between, and this is the last slide here, so I'm gonna be finishing up exactly in the hour, is the difference between 1918 and 2020 is, the medical side, okay? Let's see, what did I write? The 0.12.25%, yeah, in other words, if I got it wrong, I'll go back and check on that, but you've got the right figures, let me know. Okay, so the idea here is that if this is not going in the way, we wanna know, we wanna have time to know as much about it, to give people accurate information, to not overwhelm the healthcare system, like is happening in some areas in the United States right now, where essentially you won't get admitted to a hospital because the beds are full, or there aren't enough, it actually in the United States, the problem is there's not a medical people, it's not necessarily the beds, but essentially now, by flattening the curve, which is something you've heard for 10 months, by doing that you're essentially perhaps prolonging things a little bit, but the other times it's not just, okay, let's infect everybody, hear her immunity and her 50 million people die well, oh well, we don't want that, because every person who dies is a person with a family and other people associated, we don't want to have a legacy, so what can I say, socially just every time, no matter what, it's just like the military, we can't make a mistake, or when you're flying, you don't make a mistake, so wash your hands, don't get near people, don't stay too long in our closed spaces, all of that, so I saw, now one thing about one minute here, I saw actually the groceries, things like that, see this is the reason why we're opening things up on the 23rd, there's a lot of great stuff going on in the chat that we want to take a look at, and yes I am done, thank you, okay, yeah, that does it, thank you, okay, yeah, now if you have any comments and stuff, you've been commenting all the time, but essentially I'm done, and I appreciate you coming, and please come next week, please come on the 2030, if you can on Saturdays, you'll hear a lot more, this is a very important topic for everybody, well good, I'm glad to hear that you thought it was informative, and here again, you can get side B next time, and if I missed anything, bring it up in chat and stuff next time around on the 23rd, as far as any major themes I might have missed, thank you, yeah, I think we're all tired of this, I think we'd like to go back to normal, I did theory and Dr. Hendricks might expound on this, but you know, if everybody just kind of gritted their teeth, oh hey, my dentist, by the way, said that people have been gritting their teeth too much, and you can actually see it in teeth, but if we just kind of figuratively grit our teeth and do what we're supposed to, the whole thing would probably disappear about one, I mean, you can see it actually in some countries it's disappeared, and it's not because it just disappeared, it's because people did what they're supposed to do, yeah, the disinformation part, it's like what the World Health Organization talked about, a diss pandemic, or a diss what it was, a dis, or impodemic. Okay, well thank you for coming, and feel free to chat among yourself if you want, and I'm going to kind of sign off, and if you are at all, I will come next Saturday, the Saturday after that, but I would like to hear from everybody, because you may have different experiences where you are, and yes, it can't be said enough to thank Chantel for making all this possible on us here, she's kind of like the super spreader of good information, of people being able to come share from all over the world. Yes, I keep saying that yes they will, but I'm going to try to make them available, in other words, I put them on this slide viewer, which was actually a favorite of mine back in like 2007 or 2008, and it has a security codes in it so to speak, but I will try to put them on something that, in the pandemic area that we have on the island, I'll put some of these slides and other ones we've had, and anything from Dr. Hendrick's if possible, so that people have this available to them, I'll just put it on a different kind of format. Thanks Ari, I'm four AM, oh my goodness, and of course that's the goal, to learn something, I mean, the whole purpose of my coming here is to learn stuff from you, that's the thing I gain most from teaching is learning from everyone else, after all I know what I know, but I don't know what you know.