 Question is from Shane Omak, 716. What are your thoughts on the ketogenic diet in regards to building muscle? So ketogenic diet has certain benefits for some people. One of them is not packing on muscle. It's actually a difficult, can you build muscle on a ketogenic diet? You can, I've done it. Way harder to do though. Carbohydrates make building muscle a lot easier. You get your stronger, you get better pumps, and I just don't build as much muscle on a ketogenic. It's hard to eat enough calories to gain muscle. That's the thing. I think this answer to this really depends on the person, right? Katrina puts on muscle pretty well. Harder for her to lose body fat. She does phenomenal on the ketogenic diet. She packs muscle on, she leans out at the same time. She loves it. For me, it's the opposite. But I'm also the, I fall on the camp of people that struggled to build muscle most of my life, that struggled to get enough calories. And eating a diet that's high in fat and moderate protein, which are both very satiating, it was really tough. And I tried this. A couple years back, depending on how far back you've listened to the show, we talked all about the ketogenic diet right when it was first starting to get popular and we all decided to do it. And I thought it was a really good experiment, especially for someone like me who was at the time eating like 400 to 600 grams of carbs every day, because it would be such a shift for me. And I saw lots of great benefits that I noticed. But one of the things that I struggled with was to try and put size on, to put mass on. And it was mainly because I just, I didn't have the, I just had a really hard time eating at that and at that time my maintenance, my calorie maintenance was around 4,500 calories. That's a lot of calories to get through, eating healthy fats all day long. It's a lot of fat. You're eating like 300 grams or something like that. And that's what I found myself doing. I was like, this can't be ideal. It can't be ideal for me to be eating all this butter and macadamia nuts and just to try and hit this calorie intake. Yeah. It was silly. Like I started out trying to go through ketogenic. And it's, I mean, to be completely transparent, honest, I found the carnivore diet even easier than that. Cause it's, I mean, it's very straightforward. It's like meat that, you know, cause then I'm not like so concerned about like, well, I'm going over my protein amount. I'm going under, you know, over my carbohydrate amount. There's like this, like seeking out fat is very challenging in terms of like the selection that's out there and is provided. But I mean, if you pull it off, it's great. There's obviously other benefits to it that I think people probably want to focus on a little bit more in terms of like the neuroprotective part of it, the lower information, like things like that. Yeah. That's, that's why I'll do keto sometimes. If I go ketogenic, it's not to improve my performance or build muscle. It's to reduce inflammation and feel mentally sharper. That's what ends up happening. So ketogenic diets characterized by very, very, very low carbohydrates, high fat intake, moderate protein intake. And because you don't have carbohydrates in your diet, your body produces what are called ketones from fat, either the fat that you consume or from fat from your body, depending on if you're a deficit or not in terms of calories. And those ketones are used for energy. And when the body uses ketones, you feel some people or most people tend to feel sharper and they tend to have more level amounts of energy. And there's also an anti-inflammatory effect. Now as far as muscle building is concerned, it's very tough. I've done this. I've had clients do this and it's just hard. I just, you just build more muscle with carbohydrates. You're stronger with carbohydrates. This is actually a fact. Now unless carbohydrates bother you and don't react to you, there's always individual, you know, individuals that don't fall within this, but generally speaking, carbs also make you stronger. So for, for, for bulking or building muscle, unless the ketogenic diet, here's, here's how the ketogenic diet could help you build muscle. If it's the healthiest diet for you. So if you have, if carbohydrates don't work well with your body for whatever reason, if you get really inflamed, your digestion is off and just doesn't work, then you'll probably build more muscle on a ketogenic diet. But if you're okay either way, keto is not the best for muscle building.