 Alright, let's give away some t-shirts here. Yeah. T-shirt, give away! Put them in and try them off. How many got 14 reviews this week? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. That's exactly right. And we're giving away four shirts. And the shirts go to Foxy Lifts. Yeah. D-Mama. Who's mama? Yo mama. UC Teeth. And Married With Muscle. Married With Muscle. All of you are winners. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. How do they get their t-shirt, Doug? Send the name, the one I just read, to itunes at mindpumpmedia.com Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that right out to ya. Lucky fuckers. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump. With your hosts, Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews. In this upcoming episode of Mind Pump, we talk about my wonderful experience at the post office. We talk about our time at Paleo FX. It was awesome. And there were some unexpected things that we cover in this episode. But hang in there because then we get to all the good stuff and all the meat of the episode. And we answered some amazing questions. First question was pyramiding your workouts versus warm-ups. Then we talked about our favorite entrepreneurial minds. You can optimize your business as a personal trainer. And then we talk about pilates versus resistance training. Within those questions we answered quite a bit. And a lot of the answers that came up were about priming. How to properly prime your body. As some of you may know, we offer a program called MAPS Prime that includes a self-assessment tool called a compass. You take the compass, you figure out your recruitment patterns, you figure out how to prime your body specifically to the way it moves so that you can do your 10-minute priming session before your workouts to maximize your workout. Now you can find out more about MAPS Prime at mindpumpmedia.com I want to just publicly thank you to three for your patience with me this morning. Oh good. Yeah. How miserable was that? Dude, let me tell you. The next person that tells me that they want federally controlled government anything, I'm going to punch them in the throat. So you said that. You texted us that while you were waiting in line to get your passport for you and your kids. Is that what everyone was talking about? Is that why? So here's how it works, right? In order to do this process with kids both parents have to be there and you have to do it at the post office. Now the post office opens for the passports at 10 am. Look at three of the post office. If... Well, let's just start there. So it opens at 10, right? My ex gets there to hold a place in line at 6 am. Remember, it opens at 10. She gets there at 6 am. She's camping out. There's four people ahead of her. The reason why this happens is because the process is so fucking grueling slow. Like, they were frozen in time. If they went any slower, they would have gone backwards. So she's fourth in line. So I get there with the kids because I'm not going to bring the kids there at 6 am, right? So I have the kids. I bring the kids there at 9.30. So I'm like, right when they open we're going to get in, we're going to get out. But I should have known better. 10 am, they open...no, sorry, 10.05 they open the doors. So they're five minutes late. Which is good considering, you know, who's running it. We go in there and it takes them exaggerating. The first two people that were in line, I'm like, cool, they're going to breeze through. Like, how long could this possibly take? One hour. One hour. For the first person. For the first two people. Holy... There's two more people ahead of us. Why? Because the process is so redundant and arduous and slow. Like, I'm watching them do this and you could have used carrier pigeons and smoke signals and carved stone and you would have gotten there faster. I wrote four more maps programs while I was in line. That's how long... It's so fucking ridiculous and slow that I can't understand why anybody would want our government to run anything. Because if Starbucks ran this, if I wanted to get my passports from Starbucks I mean, if there were four people in front of me you ever been to Starbucks with four people in front of you? How long does it take to get your fucking coffee? It takes two minutes, right? It would have been in and out. No, no, no, it takes forever and the reason why it takes forever and I want to rant for a second and I don't care if I piss people off. I'm gonna rant a little bit here. The reason why it sucks so bad and by the way, it's archaic in there. It's completely archaic. I went in there five years ago the place looks exactly the same. I think they're using the same computers. The reason why it sucks so bad is because they don't go out of business. Like, they could suck as much as they want. The workers could be as slow as they want. They're not firing anybody. They don't have to change the systems. They don't have to change the process. They don't have to update anything. It just is what it is and it always gets funding, no matter what. So they could fucking fuck off all day long and have this shitty system and we're stuck with it. And no one else can do it, by the way. What we had to do, there is no private company that will do it, at least not in California, but I don't think anywhere. So we're stuck. So we're stuck waiting in line. It's like I'm in the Soviet Union waiting for bread. Like I have to sit there forever and wait for this shit and this is our third attempt the other time we waited, we got there when it opened which was a mistake because we were I'm not joking, at 10 a.m. if you show up when they're like five minutes before they open the line is around the block and you're not going to get in. You'll be waiting forever and whatever the closing time shows up and they'll tell you, come back tomorrow like you ain't getting in. So it's just, it's insane. It's absolutely insane. I just wish I could fill my taxes out. I could say on it you get taxes, you get taxes. Fuck you, you don't get shit. I'm not going to pay my taxes for this but this doesn't happen that way. So when you did get it done I have my passport I got to get mine renewed by the way which I think I can do in the mail I can't remember. When I went in I was all by myself and it was With the two kids, you have to have both parents there and both parents present and I understand, I know, I mean that makes sense because God forbid one of the parents gets passports and then kidnaps the kid I get that, I get all that it's just the the entire process is so incredible there was a line there was a line around the block there's two people doing the whole thing there's two people working the desk and each time they have a customer it's this most redundant ridiculous filling out of paperwork and staple this to that The picture, right? Dude, why do I want that? You have to pay an $80 fee here $150 fee there on top of that there's tax money going into it on top of that there it's just, it's so painful It's a cluster of fuck It's so bad, it's so fucking bad It's weird because I feel like there's not a lot that they really need you there for a photo I don't remember the questionnaire being that long I think it took me a few minutes at most to fill it out maybe 10 to 20 questions We walk up and they're like give me your photo IDs I'm going to make two photo copies here let me see the passports make two photo copies here sign this, sign that, fill this out oh here's another thing we need three separate checks for each fucking area oh if you don't pay with check it's another $2 fee it's like back and forth we went in with everything photocopied and filled out because my plan was to get in and out because I'm trying to come to work and it still took us when we got up there 20 minutes from everything filled out to being able to leave it was I can't wait until they control my healthcare it's going to be awesome I can't fucking wait dude it's just insane positive note, we are coming off what a fun weekend out in Austin, Texas oh Paleo FX is beautiful what a good we almost didn't go we really didn't have any intention six months ago to go to Paleo FX I don't remember what made us even really look into going I remember Ben brought it up and somebody else brought it up and then when we realized that some of the other guys were going to be there I thought okay this could be decent Austin is a great city it seems to be like a central hub for fitness, you know what I mean you've got some really good podcast it's a very active city and you've got a lot of good podcasts that are based out of there, you have On It that's over there and then other people were meeting up over there I've been to a lot of fitness slash bodybuilding conventions it was very different it's funny because they both have their own it was different but it was very similar on the other end of the spectrum that was kind of fun and interesting to see how they ran with that there's one side of it you get a lot of the artificial and all this supplement heavy type of booths and then on this end it was like beef bone broth fat I felt a lot of parallels totally, totally to me at first I think we were really excited because it was so different than bodybuilding or we felt like it was so different because you didn't see any of those guys like there was no stringers walking around there wasn't no there wasn't any of that or like no tanning bed tans no bright colored cool shoes no mirror glasses but there were blue blockers oh my god there were a lot of blue blockers everybody was wearing blue blockers we traded out the the atomic shoes the douche bag mirror sunglasses inside for blue blocker sunglasses inside which was pretty funny to me and I thought that it was a little over we saw a couple, I think I saw two or three families where the son the daughter, the mom and the husband all were wearing blue blockers you know what's funny about that we were walking around what Ben Greenfield and he was cracking up and he's like they're using blue blockers wrong he's like you want light during the day there's not a reason to wear you shouldn't be wearing blue blockers all the time but there was a lot of buffed hippies so you saw it was like a lot of I saw a lot of dreadlocks but then they looked fit there were a remarkable amount of people walking around in a public convention barefoot there was this dude who was pretty built he looked pretty built but he was barefoot the whole time kind of looked like a buffed hippie and walked right in the bathroom just barefoot I did not see that he's grounding to everybody's peepee I did not catch that that must have been when we broke off a little bit then there was a meditation tent remember that you had to take your shoes off that was my favorite part breastfeeding tent I didn't go in there no I saw the meditation tent did you guys go in here I didn't everything had fat in it there was a lot of it's interesting to see the trend that bulletproof coffee started I saw a lot of things that you add to your coffee that had fat in them or collagen protein or something like that so tell me each of you tell me what you liked and what you didn't like about the convention what did you like what did you not like I thought the clothes were horrible they had like no style or like there was no presence for like a peril you thinking like that kind of a culture man somebody that has like cool gear would like just sweep up that's a good point there was none of that and so I thought that was a missed opportunity my favorite part was in the back in the VIP section where we got to all hang out and do the psychedelic light show oh the lucid light oh man that was fun that was weird and it was just what did you see when you're underneath that under that just like a kaleidoscope of color and shapes and stuff and it was just like like blasting you with a strobe light is basically what it was but there was some of it that was like I mean it was kind of trippy it felt expansive at one point right like you were in this huge it was just fun it was like a cool little featured item in there for us so hate the clothes love the lucid light yeah what else do you know let's see I don't know I guess I like the vibe the vibe there as far as like the people I felt a lot more people like less ego more people like wanting to help more of a healthy mindset and in contrast to other fitness expos I've been to where like everybody is so self centered and self absorbed and like you know the ego is like insane so I thought that was a good you know difference I could you can clearly see what they're marketing towards or for so when you go to like a fitness convention what you have a lot of is really big loud booths with like scantily clad girls usually that'll either you know just be standing around probably don't know much about the product but they you know they obviously they look a certain way and at the paleo effects booths you didn't see any I don't really see any of that what you do see though however is who can out natural who yeah yeah the grounding shoes that Adam found oh my god tell them about that story that's amazing yeah I I came around the corner and I saw these this is one of Taylor and I took off for a little bit and we split off and I come around and I see these slipper looking shoes and most of them are women's shoes and I see like one pair guys like any loafers we yeah they look like penny loafers and I stop and I ask the lady what these are and she's like oh these are grounding shoes and I'm like oh interesting right so she gives me her sales pitch and I believe Taylor videoed most of this and she was probably in her early sixties or late fifties and the owner of the company and so I let her do her whole spiel and then I convinced her to trade shoes for the day and I said listen if you let me wear these grounding shoes these brown ugly ass loafers with my my shorts that I was wearing that day so I had my cut off jean shorts that day and I thought oh these brown loafers will go great with this so I I put these grounding and it was quite a look that copper they had carbon fiber and something soles so you know to connect me to the ground I think it was yak fur yeah something like that but yeah we rocked those around for a while that was I had a lot of fun kind of playing with her as far as things that I liked and I didn't like I did see the lot a lot of parallels as the body building it was just different like both of them are pretentious just in different ways right yeah you know like Sal said and Justin I felt like there was this like competition on and I and that that was kind of what I did towards the end when I did the copper shoes and I was looking for the blue blockers I was trying to be like who could be more paleo you know like by getting and that's what I I felt like bodybuilding does the same thing and I know it's because it's I feel like the bodybuilding thing is further from you guys so then that it seems more silly then then paleo effects but for me I felt it was very similar because the bodybuilding I could connect to some of it and I can see I can get like some of the style and some of the shit I wear so I get it but paleo effects is probably further from my extreme so to me I saw very similar parallels in this extremes that's what it to me both of them represented extreme for a a type of person or demographic that you know certain people will appeal to with the bodybuilding culture it's the you know stunner shades on it's the crazy Jordans and fancy shoes with the tapered sweat pants and the stringers and then the boobs coming out at the all the hot chicks there well paleo effects you know you've got all the barefoot the ugly ass you know five finger shoes what do you call those the one that Kyle had on to yes yeah right there a lot of yoga pants yeah there's a lot and a lot of beards yeah a lot of beards yoga lots of hipsters beard guys with yoga pants lots of hipsters lots of five finger shoes lots of blue blockers lots of competition on who can eat the most amount of fat and who can avoid the most amount of carbs and and then I also saw just like in bodybuilding shows like bodybuilding shows are heavily controlled by major sponsors who really dictate where boobs are the size of things what's being talked about there I felt this was very similar with bullet proof bullet proof was the dominating force totally sure yeah they were the bodybuilding calm of totally exact great example like I think these and they had the stages there obviously they had a big say and probably who was speaking on there the speakers I dropped in on a few of them wolf was excellent yeah rob wolf was amazing we saw a little bit of that rob wolf rob wolf was solid and our boy our boy dr. Rusio dr. Rusio killed it yeah we're solid oh Mike Salemi's little demo with the cattle yeah that went over real well they killed it yeah I'm really glad he got exposed there so there was some good I think there was some good outliers there as far as speeches and then the rest were like these panels that were pretty cheesy to me I felt like Sal made a comment one time they were talking about economics up there and it was this you know you they put five rich people up on the on this podium and well it's this dichotomy like paleo because it's almost like okay so if you look at the cultures of certain things it's very fascinating what you need what what's really fun to do is to take a step back and look at the culture around you know the tribalism around a particular brand or belief system and it's not just that belief system it actually spreads out for example like even the kettlebell sport world when people were coming in I noticed like everybody had the same backpack and everybody used the same brand of chalk for example right in a paleo in that particular world there's this strong strain of you know free markets supporting free markets and capitalism which people think what but I mean crossfit it's very big on that as well and they're part of the paleo world so but at the same time you've got hippies that think capitalism is evil right so when they were talking economics it was interesting to hear some of them almost apologize for being successful totally you know what I mean which was really interesting to me because well you even got that from the guy in the back that was doing the psychedelic light show like the lucid lighting he was like conflicted about it he's like having to make it a business and like actually taking money for it and I'm like what? well that's how you spread it yeah it's like but you got that from a couple of the different booths I felt like there's like a hobby and there's a lot more hobby businesses there that were just like that a little bit on the apologetic end of it they had to charge you for something now I will say this the definitely health and wellness is much more of a focus here than then you would find it other fitness well I don't think it's more of a focus as much as it is they have a better idea smarter speakers yeah because I think the other conventions think they're trying to do the same thing too right I think the smartest they got is like Lane Norton I think that other conventions are trying to do that they just fail at it and I think that paleo I mean when you're going paleo you're doing this the idea is it's all natural whole foods the way we evolved and so we have said many times on this show you're always going to be better off going that direction than any other direction and I think bodybuilding conventions is okay what are you lacking let's try and supplement that and take a pill or what builds the most muscle what burns body fat because I didn't see a single not a single fat burner that was there no fat burners no muscle builders either nothing like that no that's where it was very different than bodybuilding very interesting I saw a lot of CBD products which is interesting because I know what the effective doses of CBD are and some of these like they have this big bottle of CBD and they're like oh it's liposomal you know absorption CBD and I'm like oh well how many milligrams of CBD and they're like oh the whole bottle contains 10 milligrams so literally you could take the whole fucking bottle and barely get not even get an effective dose or maybe get a little bit of effective dose you bring up like CrossFit had no presence there they didn't like I was surprised well it was like to be honest it was all about optimizing your health and nobody wanted to work out like there was some people doing stuff outside but it was like nobody wanted to lift weight I was not okay when we were all heading over we all said this right there was a when we first we're heading to paleo effects we all kind of like gave ourselves this little talk on what to expect and we all agreed that hey listen we're gonna go here with an open mind we're not gonna you know talk shit we're gonna enjoy this we're gonna absorb all of it there's a good chance that this is a total new community for us no one's gonna know who we are you know so it will just cruise the place check some things out but I don't want to be standing around with our thumbs up our ass and you know hanging out there all day like trying to be and if you know so we all kind of went there with that things that surprised and we all said like there's a good chance it's gonna be a lot of crossfitters which is not a lot of crossfitters crossfitters are huge mind pump fans so we kind of went in thinking that and then when we got there it was like that at all in fact everybody was extremely friendly there was a great vibe there's a ton of mind pump fans that we would have never expected to be there so that was really cool and everybody was was really warm and welcoming it did not feel like it felt like for us when we walked around and the discussions I was able to have with people were very it was great I had really deep conversations with a lot of vendors there were and you know our stances are and sometimes we get miscategorized as being anti-supplement we're just anti-most supplements and there were definitely supplement vendors there and when I'd sit and ask them real questions and really talk I didn't get the the bullshit spiel they were telling me honestly and a lot of them I'm not even joking like this is crazy because I've never heard a supplement vendor say this but they would say they actually open up their conversation by saying of course nothing replaces good nutrition and good exercise and if you're doing both really really well here's how this may help and I was blown away by people saying that to me who are selling a product I was really really blown away I got to meet I talked to people who sold exogenous ketones and we had great conversations on exogenous ketones and it opened with what they don't do I've never had a supplement company do that like hey look this is what it doesn't do this right usually they're telling you they're pying this guy then I talked with one of the like executives of the mushroom company what's the name? Forcigmatic and we had a great conversation and again very open dialogue very good conversation very honest I didn't feel like I was being you know it wasn't a spiel we were talking about the science we're talking about Eastern medicine and how certain things are used and you know how mushrooms play a different role in one's diet and how they're not vegetables they're not fruit and but they should be considered an essential like those two things and how they different you know how they have different benefits and so we had great conversation there it was a really the most fun I've ever had at a convention here's one thing that I'm I was a little bit not turned off by but more I guess more skeptical was all the new tropic companies because there were a lot of synthetic new tropic companies out there and the one place where I could see this crowd pushing in similar to the way bodybuilding pushes like fat loss and muscle building at all costs is I could kind of see the whole push improve cognition at all costs yeah you know I'm saying I see the same might not be held it's not healthy we don't know if it's healthy we don't know the long-term effects or we're not going to talk about the negatives but if it makes you if it optimizes your cognition then go for it I got a little bit of that from the new tropic companies and you know I posted a bunch of shit ton of insta stories actually Adam was making fun because I'm supposed to like 30 of them but I took the reason why I posted insta wad is I took every new tropic that was thrown at me because I said to myself let's see because you know I'm not going to make I'm not going to lie I took our shit ton of new tropics and I was definitely in a altered state how about your single favorite person that you hung out with spent time with or got the chance to talk with this weekend just one you only get one I only get one one human because there's a lot of there was a lot of that's why that's why I want each one of you to nail down one I'll say first I want to talk about Kyle no don't preface it with three other people to lead to one give me one give me one explain you don't get to fucking everybody all right well it's it's an entity so it's the more than one person it's the it's a group well you can't do that either no one from one person it's only second Jesus it's only a second time I've met and talked to Mike Bledso from barbell shrug and I mean I've only talked to him two times right when we interviewed him and then this time at the paleo effects we had them over and did a big podcast with everybody and Mike Bledso is one of my favorite human beings just a fucking great guy very interesting me and him could talk forever and he's hilarious so I'd say he's probably my favorite that has nothing to do with him saying that he's just like you right yeah no I think I think I think I don't think he's anything like you by the way yeah an interesting no I think much I think he said that because you know we're trying to pick a character well we both we both we both have a strong chemistry now we both have good we both kind of have good conversation so Mike Bledso for you just what about you um yeah it's a tough one I I actually really enjoyed the conversation with Andy from barbell shrug brilliant just because he's such a yeah such a smart guy and smart guy and you know like I'm just really fascinated to learn more about him and just the the short conversations we had and then you know meeting up with him again like I'm really looking forward to hanging out with him again and picking his brain so I want to have him on the show yeah guys I want to have him on the show he's a smart motherfucker yeah yeah he's actually in it you know he's in the lab he's in there in the in the you know muscular you know it blew me away is when we were recording how we talked about I've taught I brought this up on a few episode history in well that I mean him can talk bodybuilding and muscle building history forever but we I even mentioned it I think three episodes ago where um the water you want to have certain amounts of stress and we constantly put ourselves out of stress and that includes the things that we don't touch like you need to have sleep all the time you have water all the time and I've talked about this I talked about it you called it well I'm happy I'm very very happy I feel confirmed because I even talked about a rob where I said you know I bet you it's a probably a good idea to sometimes not have water throughout the day because it elicits in it it's a stress right or I wonder if every once in a while it's a good idea to not get a lot of sleep it might be good for you just like fasting all these other things and we were doing a podcast with barbell shrug and and Andy brought it up and I'm like what yeah and he's he actually wrote a book that where he talked about that and I was like fuck yeah I feel I feel like you know like I was on the right track so I was cool because he's a really smart guy I really respect him yeah I thought I just and stole mine because I didn't get a chance to spend some time talking to Andy and I really liked him so since he did someone else who we spent some good time with I really liked it was Josh from wellness force I was gonna say yeah just Trent yeah great guy just a cool story great guy very intelligent like really hit it off with him that was he's got a podcast called wellness force and you guys will hear it here hear the episode past and present tense at the same time yeah you'll hear the episode that we did with him while we were up there soon coming out but that was great time with him and he was neat because the first time we ever met he came over to the place we recorded hit it off and then he literally just stayed with us the whole rest of the time and hung out for the barbell shrug crew to get there and have a good time had a great time talking to Doug from barbell shrug to also brilliant mind so man that that whole crew and I know you wanted to pick them as an itzy because that's not fair Alex like he was like fun to talk to and you know he's in it like one of my favorite groups for sure yeah you know it's funny what's what always is interesting to me is because we started podcasting and had no experience with how it works or operates and we just kind of did things our own way and I didn't realize how shocking it was or how different it was I should say to podcast the way we podcast because every single time we work with other podcasters they're always like that's how you guys prepare for a show like you just start recording I guess it's a big deal. Well they all have kind of a more of a formula and we we tend to kind of just go with a breeze. Well everybody's always like oh my god I like doing it this way we could just sit down and have a conversation like nobody else does that and I don't know that's not how it works. Well so many interviews style where it's like question you answer question you answer question round robin yeah and I think that we agreed a long time ago that we just we didn't like that we want we liked this normal and I feel like it feels more real that way because you could prepare for questions like if I send over a guy like you know hey I'm gonna ask you these five questions it's like well that sucks because then he could sit there and he could prepare for the best answer possible to make himself look the best or to present the information the way he wants to present it well that's not what I want I want what's going through your brain like immediately when I ask it like so I think we give that that respect to our audience that listen to us like we don't prepare for anything and we also address our audience which is something you brought up that I that I've noticed too like going with other podcasters like how sometimes you can get into like I'm just talking to you right next to me over here you know instead of I'm talking more bringing the audience into the conversation instead of like it's just you and me and well I was critiquing somebody's podcast this last week and that was one of the things that I was telling him that he's got to be careful of when he does these podcasters you know it's the story sounds really cool to you when you're listening to it because you were a part of that story but if your audience doesn't know who the fuck your guests are or the people that you guys are talking about the story you're talking about or the story you're talking about sounds it's like being there's don't you hate when you're in a group of like 10 people and you're the new guy or you're the guy who doesn't know everybody and then they all just start speaking Spanish well they all start telling stories of their time in college together or some shit and you're just like okay this is cool because I'm just can't be a part of this conversation at all I have nothing to provide to it because it's not a time that I was with all these people so I feel like you got to be careful that as a podcaster that when you're talking about stories or you're sharing things that sure people enjoy stories but to completely leave them out of it and just have this like conversation without engaging the audience I think is something that they got to be careful of yeah it was a good time all around definitely we'll be there next year we will be there next year and already working on some cool shit that we're going to do at PaleoFX I'm excited bring it bring the bird it's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash put the chimeralink at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code Mindpump a check out for 10% off it's the motherfucking quad the eagle has landed quick quad alright our first question is from healthy happy and free they are asking about pyramid workouts versus between a warm up and then going into working sets so I'm assuming when they say pyramid workout where let's say my working set for bench press is you know let's say my working sets 225 pounds I'm going to start with you know 105 and do a set adding 20 pounds until I get to my working set and I do my working sets right that's what I'm getting from it whereas a warm up is I think they're using the pyramid workout as part of their warm up and then going right into the working set I feel like they're almost the same thing I mean unless the pyramid workout is more intense throughout the because I I instinctually will do that I'll instinctually warm up which is priming so I do my priming session which by the way I hate the term warm up because the connotation with warm up is that you're trying to warm the body up warm it up and prevent injury which that's the absolute least a warm up should do that's a given it's like you know it would be like me passing my driver's test because I didn't crash like the guys gonna be like well fuck I hope not like but did you were able to do all these other things a true warm up should true DMV analogy since we're the DMV analogy couple that's right you just spent fucking six hours there the a true warm up should set up a the most effective recruitment pattern based on your body because it's different from person to person so that means if you have forward shoulder you're doing certain type of priming before you bench or if you have your glutes don't fire you're doing certain priming before you squat or whatever so you're trying to promote the right recruitment pattern you're trying to to promote good mobility through full ranges of motion you're trying to turn on the central nervous system so that you can fire efficiently and effectively then when I'm done with my priming which honestly only takes about 10 to 30 minutes at the most I'm doing a real heavy workout might take 25 minutes but today's about 10 minutes then I go in and the first weight that I pick to lift with is not the heaviest weight I'm gonna lift I still will start with a lighter weight just so I can work my way up so I don't know if you want to call that pyramid or not but I would say ideally you'd want to prime and then pyramid well I think let me I'm going to simplify a little bit more what you just said because I think what you said is an excellent answer but Mike might have confused some people with the understanding of what the priming is really accomplishing and how is that different than pyramiding your workouts here's where it's really different pyramiding your workouts if we were to pyramid squats and we were to prime for squats this is how they look very different so pyramid workout for squats means I get under the squat rack I barely put 100 pounds on my back I squat then I go to 150 I squat and then by the time I'm getting up to 3-400 pounds my body is completely primed to warm up before I do my quote-unquote working sets so that would be a pyramid now when I prime my body for squats the squatting movement itself is just a very very small piece of the priming I have to actually open up my shoulders I've got to get that thoracic mobility going I got to open my hips this is your individual this is my individual right so I got to work on my ankle mobility so how do you do that maybe break that down so what I'm going to do is I'm going to and I start with my foot right so I start with all my foot exercises and priming my lacrosse ball in the center kind of opening that I literally did this today just right before you got here so I'm working on all my foot connectivity doing my ankle mobility stretches and priming then I get up to my hips I get into my 90-90 and I start doing that and then I get into my deep squat and work on my thoracic mobility with my bands which I just posted on Instagram now all of that priming or warming up quote-unquote leads me to having a good mechanical squat so I could do squats all day long without doing those and my squat will not look as good as it will when I prime those areas that I need work on and those are very very specific to me because if I don't do that then I won't have the good interruptions in the kinetic chain yes so if I'm just getting into the squat portion of it I'm not addressing how everything is communicating properly you know like the reason why we prime and we do all these things is to really solidify the proper channels to stay ahead of the pack your body's natural inclination is to recruit whatever process is going to be most efficient and so what you have to do with the priming is look at it more as a teaching I'm teaching my body that this is the one this is the way that I need my hips to function and to engage in this process this is how I need my ankles to engage in this process and stay in this process and all the way up the kinetic chain so where my shoulders have to be retracted and depressed and my wrists everything and this is identifying these things that may be an interruption in that kinetic chain and that process is where the weak links are that's why we really focus on that that's part of the prime process and that's going into the working set and this is extremely important for most all people about the only person I see a pyramid workout or you know where you just don't even prime the body get right into your squats and you count those as your warm up is somebody who's got incredible squat technique where they can go ass to grass and their shoulders are retracted fine they got good foot connection they got great ankle mobility if you've got great mobility you could probably go right into a squat and get right into it connected and be fine and this would work okay but you know a majority and I'm talking like 80% plus of all clients I've ever trained in my life need a lot of those imbalances addressed before they go into especially a movement like a squat now pyramid working to do bicep curls now we're talking about something totally different you go into your workout and you're about to do bicep curls does it require this warm up to get your biceps to fire correctly? No, not really so pyramiding on that is totally different than when we're talking about compound lifts like a squat like a deadlift, like a bench press like an overhead press these big compound movements that require multiple parts of the body to speak to each other that is a whole different ballgame than doing like an isolation curl or doing like a single bicep or tricep warming up if you warm up and you're not priming what you're doing is you're warming up the bad recruitment pattern you're just strengthening the recruitment pattern that's not ideal for you so it would be like you know a kid who holds a pencil in a very inefficient way maybe they just hold it with their whole hand like a caveman right and that's how they write or like our kids wear whole crowns and I just tell the person keep practicing writing, keep practicing writing they will become very as efficient as they possibly can holding it that way now we know if you hold it a different way that the efficiency can increase tremendously but before I have them practice I have to teach them I have to teach the body how to hold a pencil and then we work through that way otherwise they're just going to get really good at holding it you know like a crayon same is true for movements if you're not priming, if I'm just warming up just getting warm and then jumping to my sets all I'm doing is I'm strengthening that recruitment pattern that's not ideal and this is when you have people who you know hey I squat all the time I do lunges all the time, my butt I never feel it in my butt or my glutes don't build or you know my shoulders hurt every time I bench press so I'm not going to bench press anymore or when I do back exercises I just feel it in my biceps I don't get my back to fire or whatever yeah when I squat my knees hurt or when I squat my low back hurt all that stuff and I'll tell you what priming properly let's say you take your workout, whatever your workout is right now don't change it don't do a damn thing to it, keep it the same no matter how bad it is, don't change anything and just prime properly and when I say properly I don't mean that there's specific techniques that are better than others I mean there are specific techniques that are better for you than others individual, the way Adam primes a squat could be drastically and dramatically different than the way someone else primes a squat it could be very very different so once you learn how to prime your body properly for yourself you can pretty much guarantee you're going to see better results out of the same workout significantly better results, a lot better in fact that's the feedback we get with like maps prime that's what maps prime was trying to address is exactly why we created it it comes with a compass so an at home test that you do and the test is going to point out the areas that you need to address and those areas are how you prime your body and it leads you right to what movements are best to prime that area before you go into a squat, a bench, deadlift any of these movements that we're talking about if you do that 100% the very first time you do it you will see a difference 100% and the older you are or the more imbalances and more injuries and more issues that you've had with your body whether it be aches and pains or injuries the more apparent that will be so maybe your 20 year old gymnast may not be this huge drastic difference it'll help but the people that this is a game changer for is the rest of the population somebody who has poor recruitment patterns because we sit at a desk a lot or we have a job that requires us to use one side more than the other or whatever all these things that we do repetitively day in and day out are creating poor recruitment patterns and priming is trying to get you to have the most ideal ones before you go into these big movements and believe it or not from an aesthetic standpoint if you have lagging body parts or areas that you're trying to focus on and doing all these great movements like hey my delts won't build but I do so many overhead presses or my back just doesn't get developed and I do all these rows and all these pull ups and whatever from an aesthetic standpoint if you prime properly according to what you want to develop more or less it's going to make it'll make those exercises like lunges and squats and deadlifts so effective for the glutes they're not effective for your glutes it doesn't matter what you do but if you prime properly all of a sudden you yield the benefits of these exercises and they're so damn effective for certain things you just have to be able to get the body to move the way you want and I'll say this with all confidence once you prime your workouts properly you'll never not prime again it makes that big of a difference quick interruption by our sponsors to support the Mind Pump Mafia family our first one is our Chimera coffee that we love you guys go to ChimeraCoffee.com that's Chimera with a K for 10% 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mean from an entrepreneurial standpoint Tom bill you kind of blew my mind because of the story behind like what made a quest one of the fastest growing companies in American history people don't realize this is a food company obviously they make bars and stuff but they went I think they were the second or like fourth fastest growing company period when they when they when they were introduced to the market and one of the things that blew me away was they looked at the ingredients that they wanted and what do you agree with their agreements and their bars or not they weren't a huge fan of protein bars in general so it's not like I'm a huge fan of their products I'm talking about from a business standpoint they wanted certain ingredients to be in their product and they wanted to made a certain way and they were told it was impossible from a production standpoint with all the food manufacturers like they're like it's not gonna happen it'll cost way a lot of money and it's gonna be you know it's just not possible and so what they did was they made bars so they had to create the process Ray Kroc which yeah exactly and which number from one standpoint requires balls like shit ton of balls in the sense that you've got to take a big risk now you're investing a lot of money on new equipment to build your bars or your food product so they had to go out and invent the process and from another standpoint when you talk about believing in your dream I mean and I mean not only believing in your dream but not being married to it and what I mean by that is I think sometimes we believe and I've been guilty of this you believe in a dream so much that then you fail to recognize when it's time to change or move on because you become so married to it and part of that is because you've invested a lot of time in money and there's actually a psychological term to describe this I can't remember the name of it but when you feel like you've invested too much time in money and something to bail we'll stick around for something that's just shitty it's a shitty situation, a shitty idea but you're like I've already spent this much time on money I'm gonna just keep pushing and seeing it through and one thing that he did was he got bored with it and wanted to do other things and so he left I mean he left a billion dollar company to kind of do some other stuff which is very fascinating so from an entrepreneurial standpoint I would say definitely Tom Bilyeu and then I'll think about something else while you guys are answering yeah I think you definitely stole you know Tom Bilyeu is a big one for me for sure but I also am very impressed with Ben Greenfield just his his motor that he has you know and like what he accomplishes on a daily basis and just watching him work being around the guy and being involved in so many things I mean you see him all over Facebook you see him at all these conventions he's the master of networking and partnerships and this podcasting game I feel like he's definitely modeled a lot of what it means to be a valid business person in the podcasting world and I've learned a lot just by watching him operate and obviously like helping us out and being that kind of a guy that's also a giver so he's not just like dominating everybody he's very much of a he'll reciprocate inclusive so I appreciate that he knows how to be the center of attention for sure and I don't mean that in a negative sense he knows how to like at PaleoFX everywhere he went he was the one everybody was paying attention to he was not afraid to take a shirt off try out the piece of equipment take the supplement in a weird way they had a test like who can lift this a thousand times he'll do it the guy is he doesn't give a shit so first I want to say that this was something I was extremely surprised in when we started doing this I definitely have learned something from every guest that we've had I've learned a ton from all the guests we've had where I was surprised was not a lot of them are super business savvy in fact the more educated they were or more successful they were in another arena as far as whether it be a book or a PhD or a scientist got whatever they seem to really lack in other areas and the business side happened to be one of the more challenging ones most common ones I saw amongst almost all the guests we've had so when you the boys point out Ben Greenfield and Tom those are the only two that came to mind for me right away other than I will give kudos to Doug and the boys at Barbell Shrugged you want to talk about an entrepreneurial mind that what they're doing right now in the CrossFit community they're fucking the game up like there's nobody that's going to touch them for the next five to ten years they're that far ahead of everybody else what they're doing is absolutely brilliant I got a really good time good chance to talk with Doug and Doug and Mike Bledsoe or the two original guys that started it all and brought the first CrossFit to where were they at not Wisconsin Tennessee is that right Tennessee Tennessee the first Tennessee Tennessee they were the first guys to bring a CrossFit there and they are now the first guys to create the software that helps all these other CrossFit box gym owners organize their business and be successful and they're fucking killing it doing it so they I had an incredible time spending time with them I look forward to our relationship in the future and talking more with them I've said it multiple times I think on this podcast already that Tom Billu has been to me the guy who I reach out to the most when it comes to business stuff and want to pick his brain on what he thinks I mean because he's been a part of building a billion dollar company like so the guys that I want to know like if if you've built something that's worth a hundred million dollars or more these are the minds that I'm most interested in and you know they mentioned authors and books and I just don't I I've always been a big people-to-people you know person-to-person interest when it comes to business because I want to I want to actually see them in action in their business not just like how they wrote it all out in a fancy way because it could be anybody that writes a book that has the philosophy behind it and you know like they've done this in academics well but a lot of times it's a big facade so very much so a major facade and a lot of times most the financial success that these guys have earned is they wrote a fucking great book because they're smart they're very smart they wrote an incredible book it's not because they have this incredible business sense and they can build something out of nothing Tom Billu is such a great example of this because one he just came from being a part of building a billion dollar company and you're now getting the opportunity to watch him build impact there right now so if you like these type of people and these type of people intrigue you if you're not watching what Tom Billu is doing on all his platforms and paying close attention you're missing the fuck out because and this is what I've been telling everybody that I meet that has a similar question is this is that listen what these guys are doing what he is doing currently at this moment is unbelievable Greenfield is also really cool to watch what happens to somebody who builds a very successful business around themselves and is now trying to pivot out of that transition yes he's been has kind of been there done that made his money been very successful very very successful on his own so he's extremely impressive what he's done by himself and now he's trying to transition out of his own company that he named after himself and what that's like so those two guys right now are great guys to pay attention and watch and then also if you're fans of Barbell Shrugged Doug and Mike Bledsoe the work that they're doing hands down the way I look at these three those three guys are that class and we've interviewed a fuck ton of people a ton of great minds intelligent awesome people nobody touches them you know who in my opinion you know who from a not from a business standpoint but really impacted me on just a whole just a whole life kind of philosophy check for sure Paul Paul check is he embodies but awful business bro right right right yeah but he embodies he literally embodies all the stuff that we preach and the direction that we are all trying to take our own personal understanding to like he is so far ahead of and I'll just speak for myself so far ahead of his own awareness and understanding of all these things that I am that I can only hope to be where he's at when I'm his age like the guy's mind blowing the thing that Paul doesn't do well sometimes is he community the way he communicates it because he just speaks sometimes he says shit and it blows people out of the water or he says in a way to where people just don't right over their head they don't want to listen but there's so much genius in what he says I mean I'll give you an example and I might have brought this up in a previous episode but when he and this is just one thing that blew me away when we were all eating dinner and Paul checks not a religious person but he would consider himself very spiritual he takes a second and does something over his food like he puts his hand around the food and he says something and he eats and I'm like well you're not religious you're not praying like what are you doing and the way he explains it will blow everybody out of the water like I'm asking myself my soul if I want to eat this I'm asking the food if it wants to be eaten and if we're going to do this energy transfer and he says all this stuff and he's just like what the fuck are you talking about but if you really slow down and think about it he's being super aware of all he's doing and if we all took the time to sit there and ask those questions before we ate we'd all make better food choices all he's doing is he's making himself super present when he's about to eat and so as a result his choices are usually very very good so that's just one example of some of the stuff and then you know his painting in between sets of his exercise and you'll hear more about that after all that exactly well he's also he's a very good example though like I said all the other people that we met that are brilliant I mean we met tons of brilliant people so I don't want to discredit anybody else that we didn't talk about because there has not been a guest here that I didn't learn a lot from everybody I've had I feel so blessed to have interviewed all these great minds but when you ask a question like entrepreneurial mind that totally that tarves off a whole shit ton of money because there's this few of those and there's it's one thing to build a business that's very successful for yourself right like I you're a good entrepreneur you can you you built it up enough to sustain a living for yourself you're comfortable you have the things that you need maybe you have like an assistant and you're good to go like that's one type of business and for me I think almost everybody that we meet has at least that skill set but what I'm really drawn to because I've been in my career where I get into I've been at the sticking point of taking a company to a hundred million dollar company and what it takes to build a business to that level it takes a whole another breed of a person a whole another mind and the closest mind that I think we've come come across that is like that would definitely be Tom bill you next question is from Rachel D Rachel is a trainer that has hit a plateau with a number of hours she can train and needs to find me time what is the next step in advancing her career isn't she a cooking channel chick what do you mean I don't know Rachel D. Oh I don't know isn't Rachel D. Rachel Ray I think yeah this is a good question do you know what this reminds me of this reminds me of when people parents in particular moms more specifically become martyrs for what they're doing like you know it's all about the kids it's all about them I don't do anything for myself and as a result they're very stressed out they become very miserable and they find that they're and they're not aware of how ineffective and inefficient they are at doing the stuff that they prioritize which is you know maybe their children for example or you see a lot of guys doing this you see men and women doing this with business like I'm business business business business so much so that I won't take care of my body I won't take care of my health I won't meditate I won't do vacations or to or do things with my family and as a result what people don't realize they become very inefficient and effective and I looking back I can use myself as an example when I manage health clubs now I had nothing I had no other responsibility so it really didn't matter I loved being at the gym but I'll be there from 8am to 10pm usually sometimes 7 days a week and if I look at the amount of money I earned and divided it up by the amount of hours that I worked I wasn't earning that much money per hour I was very very ineffective just occupying space I was I just and most of the time I was there if I'm being quite honest I wasn't being efficient with with my job so what you if you're a trainer and you're super focused on building your business not taking care of you is going to hurt your business as well as the fact that now you're realizing that you don't have that me time and you'll start to resent your clients and your job and you won't have the energy and all that stuff so from a business standpoint it's very very smart to schedule and me time period like take care of you because you cannot pour from an empty cup you cannot devote and be your most effective self if you're not optimizing yourself so that's number one now for more specific for more specific standpoint as a trainer if you're training you know ten clients a day and you're charging seventy dollars an hour and you're really good at getting clients and you're that's a ton of clients every single day need to raise your rates raise your price there are certain signals in the market that you need to be wise to I've had trainers actually come to me and tell me I work so many hours and I have a waiting list of three months well your pricing is off you have you are not understanding demand of your products and if you have this long waiting list what you're doing is you're hurting your business number one people aren't benefiting from it and you're not maximizing your time what you should be doing is rather than charging seventy dollars an hour and working ten hours is maybe charge a hundred dollars an hour and charge and train seven hours or whatever you know do the math and figure out where you can make up the difference so now you're training less you're making the same amount you're probably more of an effective trainer to the people you're training because you're not so spent and you're reading the demand of your services a little bit better so number one if you're our if you're training tons of hours you probably need to charge more number two do and schedule time for yourself because it's going to make you a more effective business person and trainer well this I like this question because it feeds into what we're currently talking about at mind pump media right now and we roll soon here are going to kick off a seminar that will be for free the first time where we're going to invite trainers just like yourself to come down here so it's going to be something that I don't know where you live but it'll be worth your playing ticket because it will be free and in the future we will charge for stuff like this where we're going to hold a you know how to how to make six figures in the fitness industry and one of the things that I know I for sure want to discuss is what I've thought about fitness for the last at least five to six years is that it has to evolve it has to change and we are in the decade right now where you're going to watch that happen and I think that the trainer model that we've seen for the last 20 plus years is going to drastically change I think with the amount of tools that are out there and technology that we have and the ability to feel and stay connected to people virtually literally minute by minute every day I think is going to devalue that one-on-one time does that mean that nobody will ever have a one-on-one trainer where they pay top dollar absolutely not there is still going to be clients who have lots of money and they want that private treatment of having a trainer standing in front of them but for the majority we are heading in the and we kind of saw this happen after the dot-com era crash we saw this major transition from during dot-com we saw it was almost trendy to have a trainer because everybody had the money everybody had this extra income to spend on a personal trainer and health and fitness has been on an uptick for quite some time and now people had to scramble to create a group class exactly and so then you saw the dot-com era crash and like what Justin just said soon trainers like myself I remember this time were like oh shit like I actually have to work to get clients you know there was a time there where it felt like people were constantly walking in the door and looking for training all I had to do was convince them on how long they needed to train with me or what we needed to focus on and then I went through this transition of oh shit I actually need to get aggressive and go like find people to train and then it got really challenging I thought man not everybody can afford it and this is one of those things that this is where they're cutting back you know job people are getting laid off wages are getting cut and back then training was looked at as a luxury and so luxury things tend to go first and so training started to go away and so those trainers that still were used to that income like I was and I wasn't willing to let that go I had to get creative and one of the ways I became creative was I started to create these boot camps that I was running outside of the gym that I was currently working at and this allowed me to supplement my income I actually increased every single year as a trainer but it didn't get easier every year in fact it forced me to look outside do that well now I feel like we're looking at you know the evolution of the group training classes have now evolved into crossfit boxes orange theories you know all these membership based classes with that are small intimate 20 to 40 people tops and you get a personal trainer in there so you feel like you're kind of getting 101 but you're not really getting 101 and it's a monthly fee that's super affordable like a hundred to two hundred dollars a month well I think the next evolution to that is even less of the time with the trainer and even more affordable so if you're not already transitioning yourself into building a business around YouTube social media live streaming a lot of what you're watching mind pump media do and we're far from done right now this is what I believe is the future of personal training and you will need to get on board or find a company like ours when we're all in place to help you build that yeah and I think I think now to like it as you're in a sort of transitional part of your business where you've pretty much maxed out on the amount of hours that you can you can do per day and fill in with clients like Sal said you have to start you dress your rates and start opening up more time for yourself to venture into other ideas the thing that I love about the fitness industry the most is how much room there is for people to venture off into all kinds of different niches and there's a lot of directions that you can go even now that we're kind of merging into the health and wellness side as well so my suggestion is to really start opening up your time more think about what kind of products that you can create whether it's a book, whether it's a tangible product, something you see within your niche or get more education specializing yourself to separate and voice something very specific so that way you're more searchable and you can actually as you increase your rates it makes more sense because you're so specialized and we're not necessarily on that we're not specialized we definitely have our backgrounds that are specialized but what we're doing unless you want to create a super group like we got we're trying to become a platform to provide quality specialists to come into our system and get exposure that way definitely going the specialist route is something to look into and pursue I really like that I was going to ask you guys what do you guys think for most average trainers what do you think the most hours they should train per day to maximize both their career but also it's the it's them really good at being a trainer that question you're asking is a really tough one it's a tough one right I've done 12 hour days you're pretty exceptional you're an exceptional trainer I know you very well and I know that the last client is going to get the same level of commitment and service as the first no matter how good you are you'll burn yourself out no matter how good you are as those hours increase the attention to detail the service you're going to provide I don't care how good you are so you could argue all day that hey I can handle 8, 10, 12 in a day but if you ask that same person do you service 12 people better in a day or 4 people better in a day that person would be lying if they said they service what I used to tell trainers that worked for me when I had my private facility as I would tell them your goal is to train 30 hours a week and figure out within those 30 hours what you need to charge and make basically what your target is because you don't want to make that having to work 40 or 50 hours a week personal training requires a lot of energy there's a lot of jobs where if you're kind of in a bad mood or kind of tired like you could just sit quietly at your desk and do your job with personal training your client shows up you're on for that whole hour you can't be quiet, you can't be off you can't be tired you can't not be compassionate you can't not be empathetic you have to just be awesome pretty much all day long so if you're training 8 clients in a day you are on for 8 hours and you're working for 8 hours it's very very emotionally and mentally draining so I used to tell my trainers like 6 hours is what I recommend for most people everybody's a little different but for me I would always push the limit but I found when I trained about 6 I was like great 8 was pushing it 10 I used to do a lot of 10 hour 10 client days I went all the way down to like 3 or 4 day max that's how I operated for a long time and I loved it well here's something for you to think about I don't know if I've mentioned this on the podcast before I know we've talked about this many times off air is that if you don't know that YouTube by next year search engine so it will pass Google it's owned by Google too so it's not like that's a big deal to them but think about that for a second that if you're a part of a generation right now that let's pretend this was when Google first started and let's say you were starting like Justin said you're trying to find a niche in the fitness industry that something that you love to do or that you bring to the table that's unique and different you could be the person that most of the searches come up for that arena or that area and to put that in perspective you can watch what Mind Pump is doing right now there's a reason why we drop a video every single day and every day it's a it's a very slow like we add between 40 to 60 subscribers every single day and it's a long grind but when you think about it in 10 years from now when we have thousands of videos that are out there with thousands of different titles all related to health and fitness it's we are trying to dominate the search engine and hopefully with good quality videos and good information that you can trust that over the next 5 to 10 years you know when people go to YouTube to search for something related to what we talk about we're going to be one of the top YouTube channels that pop up well as a trainer you know I wish somebody would have told me this way back when it first started I didn't really understand how I thought YouTube was more of a entertainment thing when it first started I didn't look at it as like a business tool like I do now and so if you're a fitness person and you're not looking into all these different platforms as a tool to catapult your business you're slowly bleeding out right now if you're just doing the basic 9 to 5 or 9 to 10 o'clock whatever your hours are of training clients there's nothing wrong with that if that's where you want to be if you want to make your X amount of dollars you love people you love seeing them every day you know for me I was over that really quick it would only a couple years into personal training and I knew I wanted more I wanted to do something else and that it was very wearing and I get tired all day long of giving all my energy to these individual people so you know if you're not already looking in the direction of different social media platforms to leverage well let's talk about that because look what's already happening with employers how they're looking at your following yes going into so say this job right now that you currently have isn't panning out and you're trying to apply for another job in another gym they're going to look and see what kind of following you have versus that's crazy that's true there's many companies right now are adopting this as part of your application so if you're a trainer hey I want to work at you know XYZ gym they're going to look at everything plus what's your social media following and which makes sense I know this is already happening this is going to irritate some people but I'll tell you and this is the truth from a business owner perspective if I have you know trainer Justin that has the social media following right and it's all big and then I've got you know trainer Lane who's got a PhD brilliant that's fine but doesn't have any social presence whatsoever I'm actually going to lean towards Justin because when it comes to converting into dollars I know that his reach in his community is going to pay off in my business more than even this PhD guy who may be able to answer more questions than he than Justin could so just keep that in mind that when you are thinking that's got to apply for sales job 100% there's companies already didn't even think of this is part of the application in the future it will be mandatory so if you're not already there's either two types of people right now that are using these platform if you look at which cracks me up too when people talk about some of the shit that I post and I'm like you know I don't give a fuck like this is for business for me like all of my all my social I turned that on to assist the business it was not I'm not a consumer does that mean I don't go check out my family and see my friends sure I do that every once in a while 99% of what I utilize it for is for business and business relationships so if you're not already thinking that way already you should be this is the type of stuff start growing now this is the type of stuff that we will be covering in in the seminars that we do in the future so hopefully we can help out next question is from fairy land who is asking have you done pilates if so do you think it's beneficial for someone who wait trains so I did pilates for about seven years and now I'm just kidding tell me all about it yeah before I know so I'm very very familiar with pilates because I've worked with pilates instructors as clients but I've never taken pilates now here's something that you want to consider when you're doing a modality that is based on a particular style or technique is that the style or technique becomes the priority and what I mean by that is when you do pilates there is a there is definitely a pilates way of doing the movements there are pilates exercises same thing holds true for other types of movements do you have an example or well you guys have seen reformer work before pilates by the way was invented to train ballerinas and ballet performers it's designed to create lots of stability lots of long lines and not long muscle bellies that's fucking bullshit advertising can't do that can't change your muscle bellies length but long lines because when you're in ballet that's what you've ever watched you know high level ballet performers you can see that it's all about these it's a very particular type of movement it creates this illusion with the movement and it's very very you know it's branded very much ballet well pilates was designed to train ballet performers to develop the stability and strength to do ballet resistance training on the other side is all about training your body it's not about doing a particular style or whatever so I can do resistance training for anything I can do resistance training for ballet I can do resistance training for football I can do resistance training for rehab so there is no form of exercise that is more moldable than resistance training at all nothing comes close nothing there is nothing that comes close to resistance training's ability to mold inform itself around the individual so that being said some of the drawbacks of pilates is if you have imbalances for example they say oh it works out your core your hip flexor dominant pilates is wrong for you because if your hip flexor dominant almost all the lower body movements are going to reinforce that they are going to really reinforce hip flexor dominance I have had a fucking hard time training some of these clients and instructors on correcting their hip flexor dominance because they did years of pilates and they reinforce these hip flexor dominant movements so then when I go do other exercises it's so solidified that the only success I've ever had is I've had them take time off pilates why we correct imbalances and then they were able to go back and have more favorable recruitment patterns now that being said if you're relatively healthy and you're aware of developing imbalances pilates does some fucking amazing stuff you want to talk about stability especially limb extended stability stability in the hips stability in upper back posture stability in the shoulders pilates is amazing it's incredible I mean well no it's actually very very different like yoga when you're in a position for yoga you're holding a position and staying very tense with pilates there are very intense with very short ranges of motions you are actually moving in repetition within these have you ever done seen bar classes it's not pilates but you can see how it's related to pilates so if you just do resistance training you're really strong in the gym and then you go do pilates you're going to find yourself shaking it's going to suck what's interesting is Dr. Andrew Spina he actually somebody had coined like the functional range conditioning as like a hybrid of yoga and pilates but added all this like scientific data and study behind it so he's just the way that he organized it is different but he pulled heavily from pilates I called it strength yoga because I've done it before and that's what it reminds me of is like doing yoga type positions with repetitions and strength so that's why I called it that I think it's just like did you do reformer pilates or did you do I've done both yeah I've actually did a pilates instructor so I've had my fair share of pilates in my life and I think it's great but I also think it's just like what Sal said I mean I think of it like pilates, yoga, running rowing these are all these these are very specific type modalities and movements that could complement a weight training program but they're totally different like Sal said weight training program is very specific to you right unless you're running some generic group class ideally you're lifting that's movements that are specific to your body that's ideal at least that's what we talk about and that's what maps is all about is trying to find that for you right but I also believe that if something like this if you go and do it and it gets you moving a way that you wouldn't move and you don't injure yourself and you do the proper if you got maps and you're priming your body and you're doing the things to work on the imbalances then I'm all for it in fact if I had to compare it to rowing, running yoga I would probably put pilates up there and one of the better ones of all those less detrimental in comparison to like running or doing something intense like rowing so that I would I would if you're doing the right weight training I think you could compliment that and I think if you like and you love doing it I think it's awesome now personally I would create my own like let's say you're gonna do you got maps three times a week and then you're thinking about throwing pilates in there two times a week well I would throw two days of priming in that two days of fortification sessions or prime instead of pilates and then what you're doing is you're taking the benefits that you may find from pilates and you're being very specific to what your body needs and you're spending an hour a day on those off days that's what I would do. You know what I find interesting is pilates has some of the best inadvertent marketing that I can think of and what I mean by that is you're a woman and you want to get in shape and you know pilates was designed for ballet dancers and you know what like the top ballet dancers look like you're immediately like I'm doing pilates right meanwhile if you're that same woman and you want to get in shape and you're like hmm I think I'm gonna lift weights and you look at bodybuilders you're probably like fuck that I'm not gonna do that CrossFit became very popular among women because they did such a good job of having like examples of women who lift weights and how they look and you had these women that looked amazing and they're like hey I deadlift and squat and whatever incidentally the exercise that built the most muscle but all of a sudden when we're like I want to do it because they want to look like those people same reason why when yoga first came out of the scene no men did yoga now you're seeing men doing yoga but at first was because the example or the pinnacle of yoga was like this woman who did it's all this like really really smart marketing men would benefit greatly from doing pilates as well I mean if that's your thing and you want to train in those ranges of motion you're like Adam was saying you've already got a pretty good hold of how your body works and whatnot go take a pilates class and see how it feels you'll be surprised at how challenging it is but like anything it's the detriment is it because it's a specific form of technique it's a specific type of movement so I have trained my cousin actually is a very very high level ballerina she's performed in New York and she's the lead in I forgot what show I think is a nutcracker in Sacramento San Jose she's very very very very talented been doing it for a very long time has gotten scholarships through ballet and if you look at her of course she's developed a baller you know the muscles that are very heavily heavily worked in ballet so she's got very she walks around with this ridiculously tall posture and you know nice shoulders and all that stuff because those are holding the position stuff but if you take her in the gym and you have her lift weights and you put her in other ranges of motion that are not actively trained in ballet things start to break down like if you have her do a deadlift it looks like a plie you know what I mean it looks like she wants to get down like a ballerina would because she has had to mold to the art or to the sport and so if you just do pilates then your body has to learn and create recruitment patterns to make it as efficient and effective at pilates is the sport in a sense that kind of right it's not really that beneficial to the joints like I've had a lot of clients with knee problems that were dancers knee and hip problems just because of the all day long and if you ever and you never see a repetitive movement if you've ever seen a ballerina's feet you can see the beating absolute beating that they take because of the technique but if you weight train properly then again it molds to your body so I can train anybody and there is no set like form or structure like we love, I love squats one of the best exercises you possibly do I can have someone come in and who can't squat and I can still train those muscles using different movements of their body if you're doing pilates or you're kind of limited you know what I mean, like here's the pilates movements and unless you have a really good instructor who can modify the fuck out of things you're a little bit limited so that all being said again I want to echo what Adam was saying if you're resistance training you do anything right and you want to add pilates and you enjoy it go for it man, it's activity, it's fun and you'll get a completely different type of workout with that being said mind pump is still offering 30 days of coaching and it's still for free all you gotta do is go 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