 Alright, 10.02, many people have joined from all over the world and we're very glad to also welcome everyone who's joining us on Facebook Live. So on behalf of this webinar as co-hosts, Stand Out Earth, Friends of the Earth and the Rainforest Action Network, I'd like to welcome you online who are taking part in this virtual event. It's really wonderful to see so many people joining from all over many different locations today and from such a diverse array of interests. My name is Sepora Berman and I'll be your moderator today. I'm the International Program Director at Stand Out Earth and also the Chair of the Fossil Fuel Non-Clarification Treaty Initiative and an adjunct professor at York University Environmental Studies in Canada. I'm speaking to you today from the unceded territory of the CLEHUS and the Hamalka First Nations as part of the reconciliation process in Canada and in fact in many places around the world. At Stand Out Earth, we urge you to recognize the unceded traditional territories that you are on. If you don't know what those are, you can always look them up, native-lands.ca. I'll ask one of our team to put that in the chat for you so everyone can have that reference. Today, we'll be looking at how everyday products in our homes are connected to serious environmental and social impacts around the globe. Our focus is on Procter & Gamble, the world's largest consumer goods company and what it must do to make its products truly responsible. Some of the themes we're going to unpack today are also emblematic of bigger issues that heads of businesses, government, and agency leaders need to take appropriate action on. For us are one of our planet's most critical tools to slow the onset of climate chaos. They're also a refuge for the ever-increasing march of industrialization and our place is where the future of indigenous cultures and threatened species are at stake. Our hope is that those of you in the audience today that are from Procter & Gamble and who truly want the world to be a better place, those of you who represent large assets and investments and those in government and regulatory circles will walk away with some more motivation and information and some inspiration to use every bit of your influence to ensure that greenwashing is always opposed, that the integrity and accountability and the highest respect for our shared home and all of its peoples is adhered to. As your moderator, I also want to be transparent about the fact that in this instance I am not a neutral party as a Canadian resident and longtime forest activist, active advocate, I'm quite astonished that we're still witnessing ancient and intact ecosystems threaten species habitat in the traditional territories of many First Nations, areas that have never been industrial logged, get logged for products like Bounty and Charmin, the number one toilet paper brand consuming intact boreal forests. And representing millions of concerned citizens around the globe, I'm deeply saddened that critical forests and labor rights are still being trampled in Indonesia and Malaysia because of the insatiable demand for cheap palm oil. These issues can and should be addressed. As a mother and hopefully a future grandmother, I'm proud to be a part of a global community that's calling on Procter & Gamble to fundamentally change the way it operates. Mr. David Taylor, as CEO of this company, I want you to know that there are hundreds of organizations representing tens of millions of people that are calling your attention to these critical issues that impact all of our future. To put it plainly, your products are continuing to cause harm. If government turns a blind eye or fails in its responsibility to enforce existing laws because of politics or undue corporate interests, it certainly doesn't mean that massively resourced companies like Procter & Gamble can't still operate with the highest environmental and social standards. We know that Procter & Gamble has taken some positive steps in the right direction and has ambition to keep doing better. And we applaud the company for being on this path. But we're asking you to do more, much more, and a quick and the pace of action, having no time bound plan for addressing threatened species habitat and human rights abuses in your products simply can't continue. Today we're going to hear from a number of speakers from around the world. On the Canadian boreal, first we're going to hear from Reverend Nelson Pierce from Beloved Community Church, Yousaf Munir, a youth activist from the Youth Activist Coalition, and Jen Mendoza stands on the ground forest campaigner. We are kicking off a three-day vigil from Procter & Gamble's hometown of Cincinnati. We'll then turn to Shelly Vineyer, the boreal corporate campaign manager of NRDC, who will look at on-the-ground impacts, investment risks, and opportunities. We'll then turn to Joe Foboster, environmental leader from Grassy Narrows First Nations, Dave Pierce, forest conservation manager of the Wildlands League, Rachel Plotman from the David Suzuki Foundation, and then Trison Breithwaite, a youth activist and TikTok personality. Moving to our panel on Southeast Asia, we'll hear from Brea Morgan, senior forest campaigner at Rainforest Action Network, Esmeralda Lopez, the legal and policy director of the International Labor Rights Forum. Jeff Conant, senior international forest program manager at Friends of the Earth, and then we'll hear by video from community representatives in Indonesia, two different videos from Wally, Friends of the Earth, Central Sulawesi, Indonesia, and then Demis Hartono, executive director, Friends of the Earth, Central Kalamantan, Indonesia. So let's get started. We've got an exciting hour and a half for you. First of all, I want to remind folks that this webinar is being recorded. Recordings will be emailed to registrants afterwards, and we are live streaming this on Stand Out Earth's Facebook page. If you have questions, please use the Q&A function on the Zoom or put them in the Facebook live chat. They will be curated. We'll take questions at the end of our time together. Next slide please. Please join us on social media. Tell us what you think about what you're hearing on Facebook and Twitter at Stand.Earth and Instagram at Stand.Earth. Follow the story and participate with the hashtags issue with tissue and keep forest standing. So we know that the Canadian boreal is a major sourcing area for proctor and gamble for products like Charmin and Bounty. As someone who worked on the Canadian boreal forest agreement over a decade ago, I'm truly horrified and disappointed to see that the lack of adequate government action and irresponsible corporate supply chains are still driving massive fragmentation and loss of this climate critical primary forest. Stand.Earth is a core partner with NRDC and others in North America who are working to ensure that proctor and gamble take more responsibility for their supply chains. Consider the Amazon of the North. The boreal forest stores more carbon per hectare than any other forest on earth except for mangroves. The boreal is home to over 600 First Nations and billions of migratory birds and a wide array of many species. Year over year we hear more alarming stories of the shrinking intact area of the boreal. In fact every year logging companies clear cut a million acres over 400,000 hectares of boreal forest. It's a small city block every minute. Fragmentation is causing massive decline of caribou, a threatened species that federal and provincial governments are failing to take appropriate action on. Proctor and gamble pulp demands for Charmin, Bounty and other tissue products are contributing to this forest degradation and deforestation. So at this time last year, in the leadout to the 2019 shareholders meeting, we were in the midst of quite constructive negotiations on forest sourcing in the Canadian boreal. Unfortunately we couldn't come to collective terms regarding Proctor and Gamble's unwillingness to ensure that their suppliers are upholding free prior and informed consent when operating in indigenous territories or that their suppliers would cease operating in critical threatened species habitat, specifically caribou habitat. Despite a government directive that a minimum of 65 percent of undisturbed forest should be maintained in each caribou range, government has not enforced this and Proctor and Gamble continue to source from companies operating in these critical areas of caribou habitat. We've been organizing in Cincinnati and around the world ever since. Jen Mandoza is our on-the-ground forest campaigner. So Jen, you've been at it for over a year. We understand that you're there today with some local faith and youth leaders. Over to you. I'm not hearing Jen. I'm wondering if others are hearing Jen. How about now? There you are. Hi Jen. Hi everyone. My name is Jen Mandoza. I am a forest campaigner with Standout Earth. I'm here with my great friend Nelson Pierce, Reverend Nelson Pierce, and he's going to lead us off. Good afternoon from Cincinnati, Ohio. My name is Nelson Pierce Jr. I am the pastor of Beloved Community Church and I stand in the tradition of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who reminded us that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. In 2020 should have convinced us if we were not already convinced that we live in a web of interconnected mutuality. And so we've seen in 2020 how COVID has impacted the worldwide community. And we've seen in 2020 how the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota set off waves that rippled throughout the worldwide community as protests happened and took place all over the world. And today as we come to hold procter and gamble accountable, we have to remember that P&G's actions in Canada, in the forest, are impacting not just the people who are local there and not just those of us who are in Cincinnati, but it has a ripple effect throughout the entire world. We have learned what happens when we ignore science and when people put greed and profit over care for our earth and care for the people in the world. And so we have to declare that it is a moral imperative that we protect the delicate balance of nature, that we must commit to caring for all of creation, that the air that we breathe, the water that sustains our life, the fruit of the land that nourishes and all of this we are all connected together and without this humanity itself cannot flourish. Climate change and the loss of vile diversity are a threat to our future and addressing them is a moral and spiritual imperative that we believe that our response to global climate change should be a sign of our respect for creation and that we must take this climate crisis seriously and act with urgency to fulfill our moral obligation to steward the earth. And so we are standing with so many leaders who are here to urge Procter and Gamble to stop flushing our forest and to continue to improve its policies in meaningful ways that will address how its products are causing harm. Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah. Peace be upon all of you. Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem. I begin in the name of Allah. My name is Yusuf Muneer. My pronouns are he, him, and I am a local youth leader in Cincinnati, Ohio. I lead a high school organizing group named Young Activist Coalition. And I'm here because I need to be here because if I want any shot at having a future I need to be here and I need to be in PNG's house every single day until they decide to stop flushing our forest, until they decide to respect indigenous sovereignty, until they decide to get critical caribou habitats outside of their supply chains. And PNG can afford to do the right thing. Just last year they made $12 billion in profit. They can afford to do the right thing. And don't believe their lies. Don't believe they're greenwashing because that's all just an excuse to at the exact same time they're telling us about how great it is to recycle, to disrespect indigenous peoples, to cut down these critical forests, to to endanger already endangered species. Don't believe their lies because their lives are just a way for them to tell you that their 13th billion dollar that David Taylor's next bonus is more important to them than my future. My entire generation's future. My generation's right to clean air, to clean water, to a world that is not on the brink of global collapse. My generation's right to just live. They've told us that their 13th billion dollar in profit is more important to them than me and my future. So my question to you shareholders and to all of the people that are on our side is just is that 13th billion dollar really worth more to you than my future, than my generation's future, than your kids' futures, than your grandkids' futures, than our collective future? Is it really worth it? It's not. Dang. Hey everyone. So Jen Mendoza here again with Stan, I'm a force campaigner. And wow, thank you to all of these beautiful people that came out here today with us. And I just want to say that I'm here today because you know I have a stake in the decisions that this company makes. And you know we all do. We have we have a responsibility because Procter & Gamble are right here in our backyards. But you know in a world that often makes us feel powerless, a world where we watch a justice system constantly fail us, a world where police are murdering innocent people, a world where innocent children are in cages as we speak, a world where corporations like Procter & Gamble loot indigenous lands and take the resources and leave a path of destruction behind them, we have been left with two choices. We either give up entirely and walk in defeat or we fight like hell to protect our people and our planet. I have chosen to fight with the sacred tradition of non-violence and use full bodily autonomy to do so. Today I'll be beginning. I have begun a 72-hour hunger strike or aka a fast because I am choosing to reclaim some of the power that has been stolen from all of us. Myself and my brothers and sisters here today will hold space out here in peace and in prayer over the next three days to shine a light on Procter & Gamble's fourth destruction until the shareholders pass this resolution. Thank you. Wow thank you so much Jen, Nelson, and Yusef, and all of you who are in Cincinnati right now standing up for what you believe in. It's really important to hear your passionate words and also appreciate your dedication and your time. This moment that we live in calls on all of us to stand up and to take action. Really appreciate what you're doing. Stay safe out there. So we're going to turn now to some of the reasons why. We're seeing such passion and such action on the ground and in fact in many places across North America people who are concerned about Procter & Gamble's sourcing concerned about what they're seeing that's happening in our climate injustices, disrespect for human rights like the indigenous people who are seeing this type of logging in their territory without their consent. So joining us now we have Shelly Vineyard from NRDC. Shelly over to you. Hi thank you Sephora. Good afternoon my name is Shelly Vineyard and I am the Boreal Corporate Campaign Manager for the Natural Resources Defense Council. NRDC is an international environmental advocacy organization and has a long history of fighting for the conservation of places like Canada's boreal forest. Places that are vitally important to local communities and also critical for the global climate and threatened species. I'm here today to talk about how Procter & Gamble is failing these communities, failing the planet which is our home and failing to take full responsibility for its own supply chains. You can go to the next slide please. A year and a half ago NRDC and Stand.Earth released the report The Issue with Tissue. How Americans are flushing forests down the toilet. This report highlighted how some of the biggest American tissue makers were fueling devastating treat a devastating treated toilet pipeline. In the report we released a scorecard outlining the leaders and laggards in the tissue world in terms of their sustainability. All three of P&G's brands Charmin toilet paper, Bounty Paper Towels and Puff Spatial Tissue earned F's in that scorecard and in the second version of that scorecard which was released earlier this year. Next slide please. P&G makes its tissue products entirely from virgin forest fiber including a significant portion from Canada's boreal forest. In fact they are the largest U.S. purchaser of boreal tissue pulp. Based on our research and conversations with the company we found that this pulp is coming in part from threatened boreal caribou habitat and some of the most vulnerable parts of the remaining intact boreal forest. In RDC, Stand.Earth and others raised our concerns with P&G several years ago and urged them to require caribou protections from their boreal pulp suppliers as well as requiring free prior and informed consent, FSC certification for all virgin fiber pulp and a reduction in the company's reliance on virgin forest fiber. Next slide. Thus far P&G has largely failed to act on any of our requests. While they have committed to increasing the fiber they purchased that's certified by the Forest Stewardship Council to 75 percent by 2025, they continued to purchase pulp from threatened caribou habitat for toilet paper and other throwaway tissue products. They lack a requirement that their suppliers implement free prior and informed consent when operating in indigenous and traditional communities territories. They continue to falsely claim to the public and to shareholders that industry dominated certification standards like PEFC and SFI protect species and uphold indigenous rights and they lag behind their peers in terms of forest sourcing commitments and upstream climb nickels. Next slide please. Unfortunately this inaction extends far beyond P&G's pulp sourcing and into its palm oil supply chain as well which other groups will get into later later. When we began discussing our experiences with the company with our partners at RAN and Friends of the Earth we noticed some commonalities in P&G's approach to palm oil and pulp sourcing. P&G has an over reliance on third party certification systems to uphold its sustainability commitments and when its suppliers failed to meet P&G's own commitments the companies largely failed to establish clear consequences for those suppliers and has delegated response to the third party certification systems themselves. Also according to the risk analysis platform chain reaction research P&G delegates management of its supply chains to its individual sector business units within which each brand is housed. Based on our own groups engagement with Procter & Gamble we've not engaged with anyone at the company who's approaching P&G's forest sourcing risks from a holistic perspective providing a comprehensive approach to mitigating its impacts. Overall P&G has a broad lack of upstream accountability for its suppliers which enables serious negative outcomes on the ground and creates significant risk. This is why the investment firm Green Century Equity Fund introduced a shareholder proposal this year on P&G to issue a report on how it can increase the scale, pace and rigor of its efforts to eliminate intact forest degradation and deforestation from its supply chains. The actions P&G has failed to take create enormous risk for P&G shareholders. You can go to the next slide. Namely competitive risk P&G lags behind peers like Kimberly Clark in terms of climate commitments and approach to tissue product manufacturing and corporate ranking initiatives like the Forest 500 and CDP Forest ranked behind its peers and other companies like Unilever have made much more transparent aggressive responses to addressing grievances. Next slide. P&G's actions also create reputational risk. With every new piece of evidence of P&G's ties to human rights abuses and forest destruction its reputational risk grows. It has had negative coverage on CBS this morning for its pulp sourcing and extensive coverage in the Associated Press about its ties to VELDA which has been sanctioned by the U.S. government for its forced labor practices. Chain reaction research put the reputational risk associated with just with P&G's palm oil sourcing at 41 billion dollars which is 14 percent of equity and noted that this cost dwarfs the cost of solutions. Next slide. And then finally this P&G's actions create regulatory and operational risk. P&G's current practices put it at risk of regulatory and operational impacts as well. In fact my colleagues at RAND will get into this later but a recent import ban on palm oil that P&G has ties to is clear evidence of this risk. Next slide. Investors have shown an enormous amount of interest in these risks in this shareholder proposal so far. By P&G's shareholder meeting next Tuesday our groups will have briefed roughly 30 percent of P&G shareholders or more than 90 billion dollars in P&G equity. For any investors on the call we urge you to support this resolution which is item number five on P&G's shareholder meeting agenda. For everyone else if there's one thing I hope you take away from this presentation it's that P&G's failing to take care of our home. They have the resources and the responsibility to change their practices and they should do so as quickly as possible for the sake of our forests our communities and our planet. Thank you. Thank you very much Shelly. A lot of information for shareholders and others packed into a very small period of time. Joining us now from Northern Ontario is Joe Fobuster, a community member and environmental leader from Gracie Nero's First Nations. Joe is joining us by phone. Let's see if we can hear him. Joe are you there? I can't hear Joe yet so I'm just checking in with our technical support. Can we unmute Joe's line? Joe you may be muted yourself. You may need to click star six on your phone. Okay am I on? Yes you are. Welcome Joe. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. I'm uh yeah my name is Joe Fobuster. I'm from Gracie Nero's. My friends call me JB. I'm a trapper, hunter, fisherman. Initially I was chosen by my elders to speak for them. 20 years ago we took a stand against harvest in our territory. Our territory was harvested quite extensively between 300,000 or 500,000 cubic meters of wood was being taken from our territory and we put a stop to them on December 2 or December 3, 2002 and since then we've stopped all the logging from our territory and there's been no trees taken from our territory in the time that our blockade went up. It's been 20 years and I'm very happy to announce that the blockade still is going on today. We've been meeting with the government of Ontario to change their harvesting methods and we've taken action against logging companies who wish to harvest in our territory. We've done marketing campaigns, we've we've protested, we've taken court actions against the government and so far there's been no we've seen a lot of success. I'm very happy. My community is very happy with the results that we've seen. Our fight's not over, it still goes on today. We continue to fight on the land and court rooms and meeting rooms and everywhere. We have a very powerful group. My community held a referendum on whether or not our community would allow any more logging and this happened three years ago and our community voted by 75% to not allow any more logging. My chief made a land declaration banning all all industrial activity from our territory on October 18th, two years ago, whatever that was but it gave us a boost in our fight and it works. We hold the government, we make them understand that they need free prior informed consent before they need to before they can do anything on our territory. We rely on on a treaty that we signed in 1873. It was on October 3rd, 1873. My great great great grandfather was a signatory to the treaty. We we we understand what you know what my great great grandfather wanted and he wanted our relationship with the with the government that we that we were signing a treaty with and we will hold them accountable to that treaty and I'm sure my great great grandfather would be very very proud of his people that took a stand and I'm very proud to be a part of my community fighting for the for the you know the future generations that will be born and just recently we've started negotiating with government of Ontario to to recognize a portion of our territory as an indigenous protected area and we are making progress and we are close to having an agreement in place and uh there's still work to be done and uh and I hope that uh you know that we will we uh we will be successful in having our territory protected forever and that's uh my presentation from my community. Thank you so much Joe and and thank you for all your leadership and work it's an inspiring what your community has and is doing and and and and also you know frustrating that you've had to take these court actions the campaigns to protect the boreal forests that have been run by NRDC and stand on earth have also been of course working with many other impacted indigenous nations across across Canada you know it's um many of you I'm sure have heard from Deputy Grand Chief Mandy Gull the Cree Nation who's also spoken about concerns about the industrial logging in in her territory and in fact in the territories across the boreal unfortunately they were unable to join us today because of a family emergency. I'm going to ask the team from NRDC though to put a link in the chat to all attendees if you would like to read the words of Deputy Grand Chief Mandy Gull about her concerns about proctor and gamble sourcing and what's happening in indigenous territories as well. I urge you to take a look at that blog. Next we're going to hear from Dave Pierce from the Wildlands League. Dave is going to be is a forest conservation manager and is going to be telling us about the deforestation risk in U.S. supply chains coming from Canada with this particular focus on Ontario. Over to you Dave. Thanks very much happy to be here. Yeah if we could just advance the next slide I hope. Great so Canada doesn't know it but it has a deforestation problem and the Wildlands League has exposed a massive and ignored footprint of industrial logging on terrorist public lands. These are vast areas of treeless and barren what we're calling logging scars that are persisting for decades in the boreal forest. These impacts really threaten wildlife like caribou and they really counteract Canada's efforts to mitigate climate change. Now our study expands areas includes including those used to supply procter and gambler. Next slide please. We found that over 22,000 hectares are deforested each year in the boreal forests of Ontario and over the past 30 years that accumulates to an estimated 650,000 hectares of forests that's been lost. Now for an American audience that's 1.5 million acres or equivalent to eight times the area of New York City. It's a huge area and by 2030 when Canada is supposed to be hitting its Paris climate agreement targets the amount of lost carbon that's supposed to be sequestered in these lost forests could be equivalent to more than a year of emissions from all the passenger vehicles in Canada. This is it's incredible to us because governments and industry have been saying for years that Canada has near zero deforestation rate but it didn't really jive at what we were seeing in the bush especially when we flew over areas like this that have a noticeable pattern so we decided to take a closer look. Trevor Hess Link is our director of policy and research. We can go to the next slide please and he actually went out and measured the impacts of the roads and landings and other disturbances. He used remote sensing and aerial photography the GIS analysis but then he went out and bought a drone and spent two of the summer vacations out in the field drove around and mountain-biked around and did on-the-ground verification and what Trevor found out was that after the first three decades of logings the roads and landings typically remain barren so 30 years out they're still barren. This problem's been ignored by officials because there's kind of an assumed optimistic belief that all these areas well they'll grow back eventually and amazingly this assumption really hasn't been scrutinized by anyone until now. Next slide please. The main culprit in all this is a very wasteful practice resulting from what's called full tree harvesting and when they clear cut they bring the entire tree from the stump out they leave the roots in the ground still and then that's dragged from the stump to the roadside and it's processed there and there the mergeable logs are stripped of the branches and tops and all the unmerchable bits and species they don't want are left behind and the tree waste accumulates and basically smothers any regrowth and then in addition to that you have compaction of heavy machinery that also takes a toll. Next slide please. So we sampled almost 300 sites in northwestern Ontario using remote imagery and then Trevor Ground Truth 27 of those sites so about a tenth and many are within the caribou ranges in the harvest areas of companies that supply procter and gamble. Now these logging scars impact many many times their own area for caribou habitat and they're not growing back and caribou are basically being squeezed out. This full tree harvesting method is used in many other places in Canada outside Ontario so our findings maybe only the tip of the iceberg of deforestation in Canada and next slide please. So it's it's clear to us at the Wildlands League that business as usual forestry should no longer be permitted in the last remaining intact forest of Royal Canada. We're in a climate crisis and an extinction emergency and we need to restore these logging scars and governments and forest companies need to use the resources much more than we had with a drone and a pickup truck and a bunch of mountain bikes to measure accurately the impacts across the country and make real evidence-based decisions and companies like Procter and Gamble need to step up and demand the same from their suppliers. You can go to loggingscars.ca to find out more and you can click on explore and you can see the extent of deforestation for yourself. Thanks very much. Thank you so much Dave. Really interesting research. I'm going to turn now to Rachel Plotkin from the David Suzuki Foundation for a little bit more on the forest reforms that are needed that are critical for our climate indigenous rights and threatened species. Rachel over to you. Thanks Sapphora. I'm here to talk about boreal woodland caribou which are threatened with extinction but it's important to note that boreal caribou are also an umbrella species that means that if we can protect their habitat we're also protecting the habitat for numerous other forest dwelling species that depend upon intact habitats. Next slide please. For boreal caribou we know that the primary cause of their decline is habitat loss and degradation and primarily habitat loss and degradation at the hands of industrial activities things like logging roads and clear cuts that change the patterns between predators and prey and make predation more successful upon caribou. What we don't know for many species is how much disturbance is too much. I think for species at risk this is often one of the biggest management challenges and at first it wasn't known for caribou. I was at a number of workshops where people were just forestry companies were doing experiments and in all their experiments you know we'd leave 30% in old growth and 70% in 60 years old or we'll we'll just try a number of different experiments caribou continue to decline. So the federal government appointed a team of scientists 18 of North America's leading caribou experts and they graphed out a meta-analysis of the relationship between ranges that had disturbance and CAF survival across Canada. So next slide please. This analysis is shown in the federal recovery strategy and there's no magic number but along the one axis is the amount of disturbance in a range and along the other axis is the percentage of probability that CAF will survive in 100 years. Next slide please. Based on this the federal government released a recovery strategy in 2012 that directed provinces to maintain a minimum of 65% habitat that's undisturbed in each range or in instances where that had been surpassed to restore to a minimum of 65% undisturbed habitat in each range and the provinces gave the federal government gave provinces and territories five years to develop caribou range plans that did so and it's important to note that again the minimum of 65% isn't a magic number and in fact it affords caribou merely a 60% probability of persistence. Next slide please. The federal government also identified the current status of the provinces and you can see that wherever a province or wherever a range in a province here is orange or red or yellow it means that the caribou population is unlikely to persist in less significant changes are made. Next slide please. So what has happened since then the recovery strategy was released in 2012? Well in 2017 the federal government released a progress report on the implementation of the recovery strategy that noted that in most ranges habitat continued to be degraded and caribou continued to decline across Canada. Next slide please. I just want to check I'm no longer hearing Rachel can other people hear Rachel? I can hear Rachel. Oh great sorry Rachel that must have been my internet please go ahead. Okay another thing that happened when the science was released is that industry rallied to fight back against the requirement to protect the minimum of 65% of each range and my next slides are sourced from an article that was written by a number of my colleagues that looks at how industry copied the tactics the successful tactics often of climate change deniers. So one of the first tactics is they deny the problem exists so here's an example the Ontario Forest Industry Association often says oh caribou aren't really at risk at all they're more popular than deer. Next slide please. They also claim that the problem is too costly to fix so we have heard a number of times from small communities that if there is caribou conservation then communities are going to be economically bereft when in fact the main cause of the loss in forestry to date has been mechanization and global market forces. Next slide please. Okay there was one that was missed which is also that they industry denies that they are the source of the problem so it's the one before anyways it doesn't matter I'll just talk to you deny that they are the source of the problem so they might say well caribou are at risk but it's not really our fault. Caribou are at risk primarily because of climate change and that is something that we've seen in particular from the Forest Products Association of Canada which is the national forestry body that says look don't go don't move too fast we need to stop we need to slow down we don't want to do protection measures because we're worried maybe climate change is what's driving caribou towards extinction not our activities. So as another of my oh and another of my colleagues already mentioned there's also a significant amount of greenwashing excuse me um this is an example from Ontario where Procter and Campbell is one of the biggest purchasers of pulp. Ontario just released a forest sector strategy that aims to double the amount of wood, log, and Ontario and where it comes to its ideas about promoting sustainability all that it says is we're doing a great job we just need to get that out there already. Next slide please. The good news is that there are solutions I think a number of my colleagues on the call today will touch upon them but we really believe that there is room for both logging that is sustainable and caribou survival in the boreal forest. We have the science that we need that risk-based relationship can be used by forest managers and provinces to ensure that at the end of the day we're sharing the land with wildlife so that while we're extracting um forest and turning them into things that many of us do need we're ensuring that there's enough forest left for caribou to have a home. Thank you. Thank you so much Rachel that was a lot of information in a very short period of time it was astounding to me that the information that you gave that in 2012 the government accepted scientific recommendations that a minimum of 65 percent of undisturbed habitat needs to be maintained you said they gave them five years so that's 2017 yet today the logging companies are still operating in that critical habitat and Proctor and Gamble and other companies are making tissue paper and toilet paper from this critical caribou habitat in those areas that are 65 percent supposed to be protected that's that's correct. That's correct. To date there is not a single finalized and implemented range plan that takes the federal government's directive and turns it into practices on the ground. It's very interesting you know when I started working on boreal forest issues somewhat 15 years ago we were just having this exact same conversation. It's astonishing to me that over a decade later we're still having the same conversation and and given the failure of government and the logging companies to act I think that reinforces even more what we heard from those folks on the ground in Cincinnati that it's up to Proctor and Gamble to ensure that its sourcing is is is responsible. Thank you so much. We're going to move now to Trison Braithwaite who's a youth activist and TikTok personality we're getting it all on this webinar today. So Trison over to you and why this issue matters for your generation. Okay great uh thanks Apora. Okay so it's not news to anyone that climate change is going to be the greatest challenge of our lifetimes. Oftentimes when we speak about climate change and the bad actors and the circumstances that led us to where we are today we only mention oil and gas companies and there's more greenhouse gases in the air or in the atmosphere than there were and then there was at any other point in human history and although oil and gas companies have played a major role in exacerbating the climate crisis they're not the only bad actors. You see Proctor and Gamble claim to be carbon neutral in their direct operations. In actuality their direct operations directly impact vulnerable communities like indigenous communities not to mention their disastrous impacts on wildlife and other ecosystems. So it really makes you wonder why does Proctor and Gamble continue to harm the environment and the answer is ridiculous it's so they can make things like soap beauty products and you guys mentioned earlier toilet paper it's especially frustrating because there are more environmentally friendly ways to do all of these things and I think that it's time for P&G to take responsibility for their business practices and change their ways. I understand the importance of climate critical ecosystems like the boreal forest because my generation is going to have to figure out how we resolve climate change and to conclude I know that we're going to and to conclude I know that we need to be silent the alarm whenever we see climate injustices so here's a video that I made for my TikTok channel about Charmin uh one of Proctor and Gamble's subsidiaries. Oh we can't hear the sound on the can I can't hear any sound from it. Yeah I'm just going to ask whoever's showing the video to go back to the beginning and make sure when you're sharing your screen you've clicked share sound as well so we can hear you know the sound in this video sorry about that everybody 30 seconds no I'm afraid we still can't hear the sound from that video yeah and just between 1996 and 2015 28 million there we go now we can let's start it from the beginning thank you commercials with the cute bears yeah turns out they're destroying the planet the boreal forest is the largest intact forest in the world and there's more than 600 indigenous communities that have lived there for millennia and just between 1996 and 2015 28 million acres of the boreal forest has been logged that's a land mass about as big as Ohio if every household replaced one roll of toilet paper to a hundred percent recycled it would save the equivalent of half a million trees when tissue products are made from recycled materials they're more sustainable don't depend on cutting down large swaths of forests and they only emit about a third of the greenhouse gases as tissue products made from virgin fiber Charmin and even Costco's Kirkland brand are both made with 100% virgin fiber last year standout earth and nrdc published a report called the issue with tissue how americans are flushing forests down the toilet great title by the way and in that report they made a sustainability scorecard to illustrate which brands are the most eco-friendly go to standout earth to both follow the story and see what you can do to help and you can also follow them on instagram at standout earth fantastic thank you trison i can't believe how much you can squish into such a very small video that was fantastic thanks Sephora we're going to switch gears now to another part of the world and learn about proctor and gambles impact and what they can do specifically in indonesia and malaysia rain forest action network and friends at the earth are joining us to tell us about the a different commodity connected to proctor and gamble in an entirely different part of the world first let's turn to brian morgan the senior forest campaigner with rain forest action network who will help us understand the deforestation and human rights issues and violations in proctor and gambles palm oil supply chains brian yeah hey um thank you so much you know i think we've heard a lot about the impact that proctor and gamble is having in the canadian boreal and you know it's important to recognize that that's a critical ecosystem and along with that proctor and gambles also having really devastating environmental and social impacts across the world and so yeah i just i'm going to talk very briefly just about the impact that proctor and gambles sourcing of palm oil from indonesia and malaysia has so you know for folks who are maybe a little bit less familiar with what's going on in that part of the world indonesia and malaysia are the largest sources in the world for palm oil palm oil being a oil that's incredibly cheap and is used in many household products it's used in proctor and gambles pantene soap conditioners it's used in a bunch of different soap products um and the way that they produce palm oil is often by clear cutting pristine tropical forests and peatlands peatlands being some of the most carbon-rich soil in the world so what we've seen in indonesia and malaysia is that indonesia has become the world's fifth largest emitter of greenhouse gases because of land conversion because of fires that are happening in their forests and because of the conversion of this carbon-rich peat soil to agricultural land you know these forests are also critical they're critical for our climate and they're critical critical for biodiversity indonesia just has about one percent of the earth's land areas it's a archipelago with many thousands of islands and but what we know is that it actually contains 10 percent of the world's known plant species 12 percent of the mammal species and 17 percent of all known bird species so these these forests are just absolutely critical for maintaining the biodiversity of the world it's also home to many you know animals and plants that are threatened by extinction including incredible species like Sumatran tigers and orangutans so these are this is who and these are the areas and these are the animals that are being put at risk as procter and gamble is sourcing their palm oil you know and it's not just the climate and it's not just biodiversity that's at risk you know what we're seeing is that frontline and indigenous communities are also being truly hurt by procter and gambles unsustainable and unjust sourcing policies so the way that it works in Indonesia and in much of Malaysia is that communities don't have legal rights to their land this is true in many indigenous communities around the world they have used it for generations upon generations and they in their communities know exactly who has what piece of land but that's not recognized legally and so these companies are able to come in and clear cut farms they're able to destroy villages and to really make people destroy areas where communities are dependent on the forests for their livelihoods and their lives into plantations next slide so procter and gamble is failing to fully implement it's no deforestation policy you know policies are great but what we really care about is how those impact communities and forests on the ground so we see that the bulk of procter and gambles procurement for palm oil comes from irresponsible sources you know these are these are sources that are not that have not followed not the round table unsustainable palm oil which is you know sort of the the working standard it's it's a pretty weak standard so if you're choosing sources that don't come from RSPO sources you know you're you know you're scraping from the bottom of the barrel you know procter and gambles list of source mills contains 15 companies that had active forest and peatland clearance as recently as 2019 and that we also know that procter and gamble isn't taking responsibility they're not addressing cases of non-compliance but they're relying on their direct suppliers and failing to mitigate those risks so these suppliers are really at the cause of the problems and so i'm going to introduce Esmeralda Lopez who's going to speak a little bit about some of the horrific labor practices that have been happening on the ground in some of the plantations PNG sources from Esmeralda thank you so fdv is one of Malaysia's largest palm oil companies and is procter and gambles joint venture partner and largest supplier in 2015 the wall street journal reported and first exposed ties to forced labor in human trafficking on fgb palm oil plantations and my organization just for a little bit of background global labor justice international labor rights forum a very long name is a strategy hub which seeks to defend worker rights and build power and we were one of three co-petitioners including rainforest action network and some of us that on august 15th 2019 filed what's called the tariff act petition with us customs and border protection the tariff act petition that we submitted was seeking to stop the importation of palm oil products that were produced by fgb under the us tariff act of 1930 us customs and border protection is required to deny entry of goods that arrive at us ports if there's reason to believe that the products were made by forced labor our complaint cited field reports documenting cases of forced labor and human trafficking on fgb palm oil plantations across malaysia proctering gamble took no public action until after the complaint was filed and even then that action has been very limited and mostly empty promises on september 30th of this year so very recently us customs and border protection announced a block on imports of fgb palm oil which will have a clearly significant impact on proctering gamble three complaints have been submitted to us customs and border protection against palm oil companies in malaysia two against fgb the first was filed in june of 2019 and then and then the third we were the recent one the one that we filed was filed was the second one and then a third one was filed by liberty shared against another palm oil plantation company broad tariff act enforcement like this and this block is only the first step to ending forced labor there needs to be binding agreements that include buyer suppliers and workers organizations we also want these agreements to include models that help workers with collective bargaining rights community benefits and enforceable agreements we also have to ensure that there's transparent monitoring grievance mechanisms and protections form retaliation for workers and create binding accountability for failure to remediate voluntary promises by companies to stop forced labor in their supply chains which are not enforceable sometimes is called corporate social responsibility does not work given fgb's particularly terrible record of not keeping its promises the law must be upheld until there's real change made and so we're pushing that we be included as petitioners in in part of this enforcement of this ban and that we ensure that the migrant workers rights are given are protected and that they're given the rights that they deserve thank you thank you so much we're also now going to hear from jeff cons who's the senior international forest program manager for friends of the earth in the u.s. he's also got some community member testimonies from indonesia that he's going to queue up for us jeff yeah thank you zippora and thank you everybody for listening um i hope to be very brief here i'm going to carry on with well what we've just heard is um that procter and gambels largest palm oil supplier from southeast asia is now having their palm oil detained by customs at the u.s. border because of forced labor abuses that's very significant i'm going to share testimonies about two other of procter and gambels primary palm oil suppliers from indonesia this slide gives a little bit of detail and then we're going to follow this with a couple of videos to hear directly from people in indonesia who couldn't be on the call because the time zone is too different and language and so forth in any case one of png's other main suppliers golden agri resources is the second largest palm oil company in the world and in 2018 the company had three executives arrested by the indonesian anti-corruption commission for bribing officials to overlook chemical dumping in a lake in in borneo in central kalimantan borneo in 2019 those executives were convicted and they're in jail currently the company claims that these were individuals acting on their own behalf it's very mysterious because those individuals were using community company money to bribe provincial legislators to look the other way in a case of chemical dumping very significant case of corruption there in 2020 just this year a complaint was filed to the roundtable on sustainable palm oil that 75 000 hectares that's over 150 000 acres of of garr's land lacks permits meaning those are illegal concessions illegal plantations that they're managing and another of of png's primary palm oil suppliers from indonesia is a company called astra agro listari which also lacks legal permits and is involved in ongoing land conflicts in a in a different province central sulawesi so one of the underlying points here is that in order to get control over in order to be able to clear massive areas of of primary forest for their plantations the companies actually need to first get control over the land and how do they do that they do that through what we call land grabbing through false permits and through direct acts of violence against the communities so now in a couple of videos we're going to hear first from a farmer in central sulawesi who's been arrested numerous times for defending his community's land and then we'll hear from a second province please show the videos thanks so technology doesn't always work in our favor but that was clearly the story of a farmer being criminalized for protesting land grabbing by a png supplier and in central sulawesi indonesia and this gentleman demas hartono is the executive director of friends of the earth central kalimantan indonesia who's going to talk to us about golden agri resources for about three minutes let's hear the video thanks kalimantan because what do you do for a long time and break the land in indonesia especially in central kalimantan pt bines alit abadi first is a company that runs the plantations company we usually raise the company called bap this company is a company owned by a group or known as golden agri resources in the process of the company's activities they are also involved in the spread of the environment such as in dano-sembulu, kabupaten seruyan, kalimantan tengah the operation of the company has been going on since 2006 and we also know that it doesn't have a very close permission or it doesn't have a very close permission in the meantime the company hasn't had the right to use the company and permission to use the forest area or IPPKH and it doesn't have the right to use the forest because the plantations that are in the area of ​​the forest are in the forest area corruption or corruption that is done by pt bap is given to the legislative committee of the Central Kalimantan Provincial Office the hope is that with the money of the company we can smooth the news regarding the spread of the forest by pt bap and also in order to prevent the DPRD from erasing the management process because if it is done it will be affected by the corruption of the company the modus that is done by doing swaps so that the DPR does not run the management process that I said before and also the spread that was done by pt dina badisawit this plant did not be uploaded to the media and we just lost that we ask proctor and gamble or PNG to stop buying the oil from the Golden Agri resource and for so that PNG can ask or force the Golden Agri resource to stop the deforestation including the spread of the environment that was done in DPRD or that was done in Indonesia thank you wow powerful stories from the front lines thank you so much Jeff you know we've we've heard a lot this morning thank you to all those who are stuck with us which is actually looking at the participants the majority of you and now we're going to have some time for questions which is great you know we've heard on this webinar so far about corruptions we've heard about greenwashing we've heard about farmers criminalized about threatened species habitat and critical old growth forests being destroyed to make toilet paper so what needs to happen now I'm going to ask you to go back to the last slide please it's clear that proctor and gamble needs to take action if they want to claim to be a company that is socially responsible and environmentally responsible they need to ensure that their supply chain is clean and they have policies that encourage the right actions we actually had some questions on Twitter and social media well why the company the governments should do this and I'll take the liberty of addressing that before we go into this Q&A why does proctor and gamble need to see to do what you see on their screen why do they need to ensure suppliers uphold free prior and informed consent when in indigenous and traditional territories to end greenwashing to step up or meet or exceed what their peer companies are doing in their field they need to phase out working with suppliers that don't comply with the 65 percent habitat intactness thresholds to get more recycled into tissue products and of course as we've heard in Indonesia and Malaysia they need to commit to respect human rights preserving intact ecosystems phase out of using suppliers that are non-RSPO certified and fully implement deforestation policy with full traceability to the plantation level and sanctions for non-compliance so why does proctor and gamble have to do this why can't it just be that the governments ensure that companies are sourcing responsibly I've been working on corporate campaigns for over 25 years and they work and the reason they work is proctor and gamble and other major sourcing companies have financial power to ensure change at this moment in history we are all called to do everything that we can to ensure change and for those of us living on the west coast choked by smoke or even worse racing to flee their homes as a result of the wildfires we know all too well those in Indonesia dealing with the floods etc that our world is changing in large part because of irresponsible practices and our collective responsibility to address climate change corporations like proctor and gamble when they make statements when they make policies like they won't source from from logging companies operating in the critical 65 percent can change policies they have the power and influence to change what happens on the ground so first and foremost they make sure that their supply is clean that they're a company that is operating in an environmentally and socially responsible way which of course is critical especially given increasing investor concern but they also set in place a chain of reactions we've seen it from the Great Bear Rainforest to the Amazon we've seen companies take action banks investors take action and that has changed the future of those critical ecosystems let's hear a bit more from our panelists I'd ask the moderate the tech team to take down that slide so we can see all of the panelists we've had a lot of questions come in I'm going to start with you Shelly we have questions around whether there are reference points is there someone are there some companies that are doing some of the right thing so are there large companies or even smaller ones that can be reference points for Procter & Gamble as they consider moving in the right direction on these key issues maybe Shelly first to you on Boreal issues and then we'll turn over to Bria and Jeff Great, yes thanks Zepora you know you can look no further than the scorecards that NRDC and Sanda Earth released a year and a half ago to see that there are plenty of companies out there that are making tissue products that aren't coming at the cost of climate critical forests companies like and we released a new scorecard earlier this year with even more brands who are offer tissue products that are made from recycled content and sustainable alternative fibers and you know at the end of the day we're talking about toilet paper it's a product we use for seconds and flush down the toilet the idea that a company is big and as wealthy as Procter & Gamble must rely on some of the last remaining intact forests on the planet to make this product and can't use their innovation to create something that's made more sustainably it just doesn't hold water particularly when there are so many other brands out there that are doing far better thank you what about as it relates to Indonesia and Malaysia Jeff, can you comment on that? yeah sure I mean one thing to note is that while having really bad practices both in the boreal and in Southeast Asia one of the things that P&G really needs to do is have a cross commodity commitment is have a commitment to ending deforestation in all of their supply chains across the world right whether it's for pulp and paper or whether it's for palm oil on the palm oil side Procter & Gamble has a commitment to no deforestation no exploitation and no peatland development and you can clearly see from the three cases we've highlighted that they're not implementing that commitment in any robust way they're not taking you know they're not taking responsibility for it so what we need them to do is we need them to trace their supply chains all the way to the plantation level so that we can see exactly where all of their palm oil is coming from and then we need them to sanction and possibly suspend and possibly cancel business relationships with any of the suppliers that are violating the terms of their no deforestation no exploitation commitment and that's something that up until now they've been completely unwilling to do but if they're buying from companies that are engaged actively in you know in bribery in corruption in forced labor and in massive deforestation their no deforestation policy on paper clearly isn't working thank you Abrea was there anything you wanted to add to that? No I think that was a great summary thanks Jeff perfect and I'm noticing the chat from some of our experts online that there is also other companies in the like the target brand which is now 50% recycled so going back to the boreal issue 365 brand which is 100% recycled 7th generation so we are seeing some in the sector move to decrease their impact can you can one of our panelists give us a sense what is the level of concern from financial institutions with a stake in Proctor and Gamble we've seen a lot of commitments by financial institutions and certainly rent protection network has been at the forefront of doing a lot of that work on banks for many many years are we hearing concern from financial institutions when it comes to Proctor and Gamble's practices and policies maybe he wants to take that Kelly can certainly speak to that I'll just jump in I've joined a number of calls with investors with with Shelly over the last couple of weeks and one thing to say is the New York City Comptroller's Office which manages the New York City pension funds sent a letter to State Street the third largest asset manager in the world telling State Street expressly to vote in favor of the of this resolution of Proctor and Gamble and maybe I'll leave it to Shelly to speak to some of the other engagements that we've had with Proctor and Gamble's shareholders yeah I mean this is it's there's certainly been a lot of investor interest in this issue and about P&G's practices in fact as I mentioned earlier we have we will have met with 30% of P&G's shareholders by the shareholder meeting to discuss the concerns and what we see as P&G's failure to to act on these issues and you know they've they've asked they've expressed that they they view P&G as lagging behind other pure companies not just in commitments but also in approach and there's a general lack of accountability at the highest levels for these very serious concerns and there's there's a lack of escalation and transparency of dealing with grievance processes and that is a contrast between Proctor and Gamble and how they deal with grievances brought to them about their sustainability policies and how other companies for example like Unilever who has a grievance process interesting I'm going to try and kind of roll a couple of questions together given the time and ask our panelists to address the conversation as though Proctor and Gamble were here so Proctor and Gamble which it turns out looking at the participants many are watching so Proctor and Gamble were part of this panel what would they be saying what is their response what is the level of current dialogue with them right now Shelly I'm going to turn to you first because we've heard and we see a number of questions about this question of recycled paper that Proctor and Gamble says you know they can't increase recycled content etc so if Proctor and Gamble were here right now what would they say about why they're not acting and continuing to source from from these places and and how do you respond to that Well P&G has two different approaches when it comes to particularly their boreal pulp sourcing first they say that they can't make a product that it that's not using 100% virgin porous fiber and still have it be consumer preferred and this is kind of a nebulous term that you know provides a lot of cover for the company to continue its existing practices and when you again looking at how many brands out there have actually moved in the direction of using more sustainable fibers putting products on their on their shelves that are made using recycled content the number of startups that are being developed and invested in that are that use either 100% recycled content or bamboo fibers for example you can see that the the market is shifting and P&G needs to recognize that there is a significant climate difference between its continued sourcing from climate critical forests and using sustainable alternative fibers and you know with a company like Procter & Gamble it's one of the largest companies in the world it has the largest marketing budget it has one of the largest R&D budgets and it has the power to innovate in a way that smaller startup companies simply don't and I think that the fact that startups are becoming so successful and popular belies the fact that it can't come up with a new way to do things and then P&G will also deflect blame they'll continue to point to the fact to the idea that Canada's forest practices are sustainable and that what's going on in the boreal forest is not a problem and I think that everything that Dave and Rachel shared earlier both about how forests are not recovering after decades decades after logging occurs and how boreal caribou habitat and populations continue to decline it makes it very clear that those claims that Canada just by virtue of the fact that it's Canada that sourcing there is sustainable it's just not true thank you and as Maralda maybe I'll turn to you Proctor and Gamble is there a dialogue with them about the issues that you raised is there what would they be saying right now in their defense? I suspect that they'd be saying that they've been they've been taking steps to make changes in their supply chains to guarantee that force or to you know make changes and try to mitigate for sleeper in their supply chains because that is sort of the message and talking point that we've heard over the years and they probably mentioned their work with the Fair Labor Association I think however you know you can only make promises for so long and a lot of their action plans with FGV has an action plan with the Fair Labor Association essentially to try to create some changes but those changes are very far out in its being years since they've made some of these promises even through the RSPO process and they haven't complied or kept any of these promises so I think that it's time really for action and less about talking points and messaging and treating this like a corporate social responsibility sort of PR and really to do the right thing and take the steps and really take a responsibility because if you can't be responsible and understand your supply chain and what's happening and how it's being produced then you can't do it you shouldn't be able to do business and it's time to start using ignorance or willful ignorance as an excuse but let's keep following that point for a minute Jeff, I want to turn to you about this question of that as Merle does raised around the importance of following the supply chain knowing what's in their supply chain so Procter & Gamble did agree to publish its palm oil mill list though I note in the questions and in the responses in the Q&A that they certainly are not publishing their suppliers in the boreal or any information yet about that why did they do that and when did they do that and what's happened since Yeah, and Bria feel free to weigh in if you have some details there Greenpeace, among others has been campaigning on Procter & Gamble for some years and I want to say it was in 2018 when Greenpeace was putting a lot of pressure on so a number of consumer brands have on paper have no deforestation no exploitation commitments and Greenpeace and others put a lot of direct pressure on those consumer brands to comply with their policies by publishing their lists of mills and Procter & Gamble refused to do so and refused to do so and refused to do so until virtually every other consumer company that was coming under that same pressure had published their mill list and Greenpeace told them we are going to go live with these, you know with the news from all these consumer brands that they have published their mill lists of, you know next week and Procter & Gamble is clearly failing and Procter & Gamble very quickly after saying they couldn't, you know they didn't have the information etc they very quickly did have the information they came up with it and they published the mill list ultimately so it's really, you know pressure from civil society that does it ultimately what we need is not just lists of the mills that they use but we need transparency and traceability to the plantation level not just to the mills but I guess the underlying point is more pressure is needed to shame them into producing the information that we know they have well this certainly is an ongoing story and we'll all be watching Procter & Gamble very closely in the run up to their AGM and of course watching what happens in Cincinnati with the three-day vigil that's going on there earlier in the webinar we heard from people on the ground in Cincinnati in front of Procter & Gamble headquarters you know we noted in this in this webinar Procter & Gamble has done has taken some good steps of course many people on this webinar will know they doubled their FSC fiber use but what they have done so far is not enough to ensure that the company is environmentally and socially responsible nor that we're not seeing these devastating impacts on the ground I want to thank our panelists for providing such wide-ranging information this morning and for all the work that you continue to do to ensure accountability and transparency I want to urge everyone who's joined us today to follow Stan Dutter Friends of the Earth and Rainforest Action Network as this story unfolds we hope to be able to tell you a good story about how Procter & Gamble has acted and led in addressing some of these issues in the months to come thank you for joining us today thank you for caring and about these issues stay safe everyone